Borg Cube destroys everything in Star Wars Empire at War Forces of Corruption(SW-FOC)

[danyeo]

That's about how it would go down without a doubt. No shields so X-Wings and Tie Fighters are useless.

[jaymorpheus11]

this sh** takes too long. More explosions please. Blitskrieg please.

[GODCONVOYPRIME]

BULL AND SHIT

[darthrevan179]

FAKE

[starwarstheclone100]

hallo wir wollten nicht dei spiel sondern den was du installiert und welche link

[AdMaker3000]

Thumbs up if this vid is LOL!

[AdMaker3000]

Ties r sumwhat too cute 2 die

[AdMaker3000]

LOLOLOL this is cool! :)

[JREindustries1]

When I envision Perion, I see Milhouse from the Simpsons living in his parent's basement wearing a tuxedo shirt and sipping from a mug in the shape of a storm trooper's helmet. He's probably still reeling that he lost his "debate" which it wasn't by the way. There is a distinct difference between a discussion with an ignoramus and a debate, Milhouse.

[JREindustries1]

And just to add to that, Pee Pants, sorry Perion continually refused as you could see that the two take place in separate universes, and even if they didn't there is no certainty that the units of measure would line up, so this entirely pointless discussion, not debate, was myself trying to put some sense into a chimp like moron's head, which is futile.

[kristiankultakristi]

what need to get borg cube

[jathanator]

The two you basically cannot have a logical and "enlightening" debate, because you recognize and analyze things differently, and dont view sources in the same importance.

[JREindustries1]

@jathanator Thank you, I'm surprised you read all that with out dozing off! the main point I was trying to make in this entirely pointless discussion, not debate which pee pants argued it was, was that you simply cannot compare the two because you have no standard units of measure for the comparison, and they take place in seperate realities, or universes.

[jathanator]

A debate done about the relative is fruitless. First determine what specifically needs to be argued (e.g. Which ship carries more munition? Ent-E or ISD?) Then set parameters for what can be used as evidence.(e.g. Only official statements from LA and Para may be used. If no official statement is available, then such-and-such info may be used.) Rules must be set for every argument that occurs. If everyone cannot agree on what authorities may be cited, then no debate need occur.

[jathanator]

...universe may be Force users. That's like saying the Judeo-Christian God Yahweh, is responsible for the events in Pagan myth. Im sure you can see why that means of comparison is very illogical.

[jathanator]

Take the Force comparison made. About how certain psionic and/or supernatural powers/beings in the Trej

[jathanator]

For example, you were arguing about how, what, and when certain "evidence" should be considered. h

[jathanator]

I actually bothered to read that whole debate between you two. Though it's clear WHY you were arguing; it's not clear WHAT you were arguing about...

[JREindustries2]

Ha take that you naysayers and this is present day not 2001 jag.

[JREindustries1]

Evidence accepted, and based upon it, and the Six Wars films I rule in favor of Star Trek!! Live Long and Prosper!

[JREindustries1]

This argument essentially boils down to: Restaurant A has a really good cheese burger. Restaurant B has a really good BLT Which one is better? Its a matter of opinion. And this is why debates are useless, people only become more entrenched in their own opinions and further away from an agreement, which is why court cases are more of a definitive proof I rule everything but the 6 Star Wars films out, and only 6 Trek movies in. But who cares? An opinion can't be fact!!!!!

[JREindustries2]

@JREindustries1 Thank you your honor, I submit Wrath of Kahn, Search for Spock, Undiscovered Country Generations, First Contact, and Nemesis

[JREindustries1]

I would agree JR2. Per can't have it both ways you don't get to include everything, and then pick the star wars universe for how everything operates. Oh, oxygen is breathed by both so therefore, blah blah blah why for a so advanced society doesn't have transporters or replicators? The Star wars galaxy is 1/4 of the size of the Milky Way, and it's impossible to compare but apparently a debate that took place inside his head is the definitive battle.

[JREindustries2]

I win then.

[JREindustries1]

Star Wars fans all have inferiority complexes case in point: Triumph the Dog @ Star Wars Attack of the Clones Premiere in NYC!

[JREindustries1]

I Don Cortisone would like to make a toast, A man is like a piece of cheese. Salute.

[JREindustries2]

Ha at least someone else has seen Mafia! This is why we don't have nice things Pepper!

[JREindustries1]

Wrong my friend, roosters do not lay eggs!

[JREindustries1]

Oh I couldn't resist. Perion is like Wallace Shawn from Princess Bride.

-You're just stalling now.

-You'd like to think that wouldn't you! Now where was I?

-The Romulans

-Yes the Romulans...blah blah blah Darth Vader is my dad and what not.

[JREindustries2]

So you took 1?

[JREindustries1]

I agree with my Ewing oil companaro, Picard would beat anyone in a debate.

[JREindustries2]

Nope what is this 10 years ago stuff? Who cares what happened 10 years ago, back then the Diamondbacks were good. I don't acknowledge any discussion which gives one side an unfair advantage based on conjecture and hype. Based upon what we can see from TNG and the six films. Star Trek would win. Then I wish to submit into evidence a new book its called Trek Wars and Trek wins so there. Oh and the author is me.

[JREindustries2]

Enterprise F looks really cool by the way.

[JREindustries2]

I will leave you for the hour with this: A rooster lays an egg on a roof, with the sun facing the north side and the bird on the west, what side will it roll off?

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 Don't insult my intelligence with such a childish trick question.

[JREindustries2]

@Perion Ha ha! heard that one before!?

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 who hasn't?

[JREindustries2]

Again your flaw in logic is that the laws of physics operate in the same manner and assuming this takes place in the same Universe with nods to laws created by Lucas film and Paramount, if you can't agree that they are separate entities in entirety your just making stuff up.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 Sorry but the only way to get fair analyses is to apply the same laws and rules of analysis to the evidence. (note this does NOT mean applying the same rules of what constitutes evidence), IE physics, to determine the firepower and capabilities of the franchises in question. Again, unless we have conclusive evidence to suggest otherwise, we assume that the terms being used and laws of physics are the same in both stories. IE, the "Same Universe, Different Galaxies" Model.

[JREindustries2]

Your basically saying for your argument, ok well we can play ball (Trek and Wars) but in our park, and with rules we come up with, if you hit a home run it doesn't count, but if we score one run it counts triple for us, thats just not fair. If you want to say meet in neutral ground and play by the same rules fine with two sides agreed but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 sorry but your analogy falls completely apart because we are using the same rules of analysis, as book and comic evidence is seen as witness testimony, much like how character dialogue on screen is taken in the same way, so long as the visual evidence doesn't conflict with the testimony it is admissible.

What you are suggesting is, using the baseball analogy again, that trek should have over 700 players and wars only get 6-12

[JREindustries2]

But the debate never ends my stubborn friend, refusing to accept evidence we never see is something I agree with.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 but Lucasfilm, the people who MADE the movies say otherwise, sorry but you are the stubborn one if you refuse the definition of evidence that the people who CREATED the series say is evidence or isn't.

[JREindustries2]

@Perion Regardless of what the good people at lucasfilms say, I refuse to accept a verdict where Paramount is left out of the discussion in creating common rules for a fictional battle.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 Sorry but common rules HAVE been made, IE using the canon policies of the respective franchise owners, the fact that they have differing policies is completely irrelevant, asking them to use the SAME one is preposterous, poorly thought out, and/or flat out dishonest. the fact that this is a crossover has no bearing whatsoever on what we take as canon or non canon, it only means we need to adhere to the companies' rules all the closer.

[JREindustries2]

Woah, were did you get designs for Titan and Enterprise F by the way?

No, I think it should be limited to just TNG TV series and Star Wars 1-6 for all intents and purposes.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 watch?v=rEUf9UfRpSU Highest voted for the next Enterprise (ongoing contest, no winner announced yet)

watch?v=dYLvMmedAIw Winning design for the USS Titan (old contest, it might only be accepted by the books though, however the Enterprise F winning design WILL be considered canon by CBS/Paramount)

what you think it should be limited to is irrelevant, what it is limited to is something completely different, until you accept those facts we have nothing left to discuss.

[JREindustries2]

@Perion No, the base ball analogy works, it's the evidence not the number of episodes, and suppose for a minute they take place in different universes. Then the two are completely incomparable. Oh so only what you think is relevant?

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 It's not what I think, it's the consensus/agreement that was made 10years ago as the ONLY way to carry on a debate and get any conclusive answers.

The Number of Episodes determines the Evidence, The fewer the episodes the less evidence is available and the less we know about something, the more information we can get regarding the nature of the technologies the more we can conclude as to how they would conceivably fare against one another. It removes allot of the ifs and maybes

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 The only FAIR way to maximize admissible evidence on BOTH sides is to include the material that is considered Canon by their respective franchise owners, rather than including stuff that isn't or refusing to include stuff that is.

[lox12]

Federation controlled cube?

[DNKDGW]

der Borgwürfel ist total häslich

[FabiLetsPLay]

Du solltest die Waffen nicht so stark machen.Da es nicht real ist das ein Phaser gleich ganzes Schiff zerstört aber sonst echt gut.;)

[MrSmooooth1]

Centerpoint station in correlia system also is a great advantage.

[TheAeroshade]

EPIC!

[21eclipse12]

von wo is der mod

from who is the mod

[DarknesmasterX]

@21eclipse12 gib auf google "Trek Wars" ein. Da is dann aber nicht der Kubus.

[memorialembers]

This is great! The thing I love most about it is that star wars ships would have absolutely no chance against the borg and this is how it would most likely go. So many star wars people out there seem to think a single star destroyer would clean up the entire collective.

[Fbueller129]

@memorialembers I know right. Heck all the Borg would have to do is assimilate a freighter and they would have access to most of their tech (weapons, hyperdrive, shields). About the only advantage the Star Wars universe would have is the Death Star and Sun Crusher. I doubt even the Borg could survive a full power blast from the Death star or a supernova. Unless of course Janeway shows up and weakens the Borg so bad that the Ewoks could take them out without breaking a sweat.

[Perion]

@Fbueller129 Problem is they couldn't even do that, the problem with assimilating Star Wars technology is that the technology base is so advanced that even tramp freighters have all the things that the Borg have never been able to assimilate, it's not just the firepower and shielding of a Star Destroyer that makes it impossible to assimilate, it's the technology that makes such high performance possible.

Neutronium, Quantum Computers, etc are all beyond the Borg's ability to assimilate

[Perion]

@memorialembers That's because it can clean up the Entire collective.

[Pretison]

cool ich hab da dann mal ne frage

wenn man bei SW EAW FOC mods installiert, ist das dann immer das selber verfahren?

also mod downloaden, entpacken, in die spiel data und das wars?

[DarknesmasterX]

Naja in GameData und in den Ordner "Mods" falls du den nicht hast dann erstell den und dann holst du dir petroglyph launcher um die mods zu starten...

[Pretison]

@DarknesmasterX

aha

ok. danke

[Pretison]

@DarknesmasterX

ich hab da mal wieder eine frage. hab star wars eaw vor kurzem wieder rausgekramt und wollte den Stargate Mod ziehen. du weißt nicht zufällig wo ich den herbekomme, oder?

[JREindustries2]

No matter how many cubes would be lost by the death star, the borg would eventually adapt, and the entire Star wars universe would be the collectives in a matter of weeks.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 Sorry but Borg adaptation has limits, it is not some comic book super power that will work no matter what. We have seen the Borg limitations in the series and films, and the Empire exceeds these limitations by many orders of magnitude. Not just the Death Star, but by regular Line Destroyers as well.

[JREindustries2]

@Perion No, just no. While the borg have their limits, the empire doesn't even exceed (or even match) the federation in capabilty or technology (no transporters, replicators energy weapons or sheilds), so they could not possibly defeat the borg with their laser blasters and proton torpedos. You call the borgs ability to adapt comic booky? How about traveling across the galaxy at light speed in a matter of minutes, that just isn't realistic, as is most technology inStar wars, as good as it is.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 Lightspeed is an unbrella term in Star Wars, referring to anything 1c and above, the actual speed that most ships can go is in the tens of millions of c. the fastest ships which use a 0.5 hyperdrive (like the falcon) can boot it at up to 100 million in well charted areas.

Star Wars do have Replicators (on scales unheard of in trek), Energy Weapons and shields, no transporters but they have neutronium based hulls and heavy ecm interference, which make transporters useless.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 umbrella rather, another umbrella term is laser, in Star Wars Laser is used generally to refer to fighter scale general purpose directed energy weapons, blaster refers to troop scale and Turbolasers to capital ship scale, however none of these are Lasers in the traditional sense of the term as they have very diffierent characteristics, so different in fact, that they share about as much in common with what we or trek call lasers that romulan/klingon disruptors or phasers do.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 Imperial Replicators vary wildly from food replicators (where were common on the death star) to Construction Droids which are the size of skyscrappers, and are used to create skyscrappers. Federation Industrial replicators, the largest of their kind in Trek, can't even fabricate a small house in one go.

Imperial replication technology doesn't stop there, they go so far as to even weaponize them, creating the World Devastators which Eat planets and spit out Ships.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 Starship Construction in Star Trek is done largely the old fashioned way, while Imperial Replicator technology allowed them to buiild 60% of a 900km diamater space station in less than 6 months. on site using only raw materials delivered by a single shipping company.

as for firepower, Photon torpedoes have an effective yield vs starships of 24 megatons, while Imperial medium turbolasers are over 8,000 times stronger per shot, and heavies are 500,000 times stronger.

[JREindustries2]

@Perion Wow, never have I heard so much that isn't even shown in the films, we have never, never seen replicators in Star wars, or energy shields, and guess what, they don't even have Patrick Stewart, so Star Trek would win a fictional battle which would never happen guy.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 my sources are official however, such as the Star Wars: Complete Cross Sections and Shadows of the Empire (for Turbolaser firepower and the timeframe of the Death Star's completion respectively.) We know that The Empire have food replicators (Star Wars: Death Star) and World Devastators (Dark Empire) William Shatner "sang" the "You did it your way" song with a chorus line of stormtroopers and was cowering in fear from them. As we all know The Shat > The Picard. :P

[JREindustries2]

@Perion Hes Stewart, and nobody beats him! Nobody! Any who, regardless of your sources, we have to assume that Trek takes place in one universe, and Wars in another with different laws of physics, where there is no "force" in the trek universe, and technology operates differently between the two. If the two met in a common universe, then and only then could an agreement be reached as to who is superior, if any. Man, this would make a great movie though.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 There is no proof that the Force doesn't exists in Star Trek, just that there is very little understanding of it. There is plenty of evidence to suggest it does, the powers of the Q, Trelane, Organians, Vulcans, the Stone of Gol, the Prophets, the Pah'wraiths, the Ocampa, he Betazoids, the Nacene the list of psionics go on and on, and who's to say they aren't just indicitive of different levels of Force Mastery? After all if a Vulcan can teach an Ocampa.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 on how to use their powers then there is certainly SOME cominality between the psionic abilities of one race to another, we have even seen Humans capable of doing the Vulcan nerve pinch on ocasion.

As for the technology, they opperate differently because they are different technologies, it doesn't mean the laws of physics are different. What you're suggesting is like saying because a bow opperates differently from a gun that the two are from different universes.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 And regardless of differences in how the technologies work, what they do and what they are capable of can be clearly defined and compared. To further use the bow/gun analogy, Star Trek Technologies are like ancient bows, chariots and triremes while Star Wars Technologies are like modern machine guns, tanks, aircraft, battleships and nukes.

[JREindustries2]

@Perion Yeah, yeah that's a good argument, for me to poop on! Perhaps the "force" may exist in a different form in the trek universe Q case in point agreed there, however, JLA/Avengers the flash couldn't go super speed in the Marvel universe because there was no speed force in that universe, case in point.

[JREindustries2]

@JREindustries2 OK then, if you're so convinced Star Wars would win against 24th century Federation, what about the 29th century Federation?

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 Very little is known about the capabilities of the 29th century Federation, but what we do know about their limitations are that a shuttle from the 29th century was incapable of destroying a capital ship from the 24th and that while their Transporters can go through time and space they still cannot beam through the shields of a 24th century ship. All in all it's rather unimpressive, but they'd likely need to be 262nd century in order to stand a chance against the Empire.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 Which is why to be fair the general rule is "same universe, different galaxies" physics are assumed to work the same in both universes and technologies/terms are assumed to mean the same thing unless there is sufficient evidence that says they are not.

For example Subspace and Neutronium work roughly the same way in both Star Wars and Star Trek, but Lasers work completely differently (and both work differently from lasers in real life but that's another story)

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 Lasers in Star Wars are a completely different technology but the name was kept as a carry over term, much like how we still call schematics blueprints even though they aren't blue anymore, or why we call them Phaser Rifles even though they are smoothbore. Or also how Automobiles are completely different now from what they were in the early 20th century, only their general purpose and role has remained the same, the same with SW Lasers.

[JREindustries2]

@Perion I think you're grasping at straws for evidence never submitted in the 6 films. I don't think either one of us will ever be convinced the other side is superior in any way. But Data could beat Solo in poker any day of the week my friend!

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 Evidence is evidence regardless of the source, so long as the source is official mind you.

Keep in mind that 6 films is an extremely narrow pool of sources to draw from, at least when compared to hundreds of episodes in the case of Star Trek, or hundreds of novels in the case of Star Wars, none of my sources are obscure either, they are very prolific parts of the EU.

Also considering Solo has never played Poker that's not saying much.

[JREindustries2]

You're just stalling now.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 stalling? that would be assuming there is some kind of time limit or whatever that I'm trying to extend. Or maybe you are claiming that I am trying to have the last word or something, rather than simply correcting you or pointing out flaws in your logic. either way I see no further point in discussing this all it's going to do is cause misunderstandings

[JREindustries2]

@Perion Truly you have a dizzying intellect. Also the Empire can be defeated by the Ewoks but not the Federation? Where's your umbrella term there?

[JREindustries2]

I think it just goes to show how Star Trek fans are much more open minded as the entire cannon of episodes and movies is about direct evidence based in logic and grounded in reality, not fantasy like Star Wars. I actually happen to love both, but Star Trek is definitely more realistic. Typical Star Wars fans just can't admit Earl Grey in 10 forward is better than a filthy bar on a desert world.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 Sorry but Star Trek is just as much fantasy as Star Wars, they just try to hide it behind Meaningless Technobable. Their complete butchery of scientific and engineering principles are either hilarious or embarrassing, often both in equal measure.

Canon is Canon, and direct evidence based on logic and grounding it in reality is exactly how we analyse Star Wars canon as well, regardless of the source. That you don't agree with Lucasfilm's policy is irrelevant.

[JREindustries2]

@Perion Negative evidence obtained without a search warrant is inadmissible in court, just as anything we don't see in film or TV is thrown out Trek included. Regardless of fantasy, I think you're protesting a little too much about something that can only happen in fantasy and speculation. Next- would you rather argue about Die Hard vs. Lethal Weapon or the Beatles vs. Stones?

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 wow, sorry but I'm afraid it doesn't work that way for vs debates, admissible or inadmissible is dependant solely on what the companies who own the IP say is canon or non canon, it has nothing to do with what is on film/tv or not unless they say so, with Paramount/CBS it is mostly that (with a few exceptions, such as the design of the USS Titan and the Future design of the USS Enterprise F being the result of fan contests.) Lucasfilm says Shadows of the Empire etc are canon.

[JREindustries2]

@JREindustries2 Also I call Die Hard and Beatles.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 considering both are purely subjective while star wars vs star trek an objective conclusion can (and has) be(en) reached, I'd prefer debating that. However the "debate" as it were was over 10 years ago, Star Wars won, hands down. The only thing that's left is people like me educating people on the facts, and people like you who refuse to accept them.

[Perion]

@JREindustries2 Because they weren't. They were defeated by Darth Vader making a Heel Face turn, The Ewoks were nothing more than a minor nuisance/distraction while the Rebels did everything that counted, the most the Ewoks could do was take out a handful of Stormtroopers and an AT-ST or two (which are little more than walking jeeps/humvees), it cost them heavily and took them a great deal of effort, planning, a substantial numerical advantage and surprise to do even that much.

[TheHinnerksen]

Very great ^^pat

[VaygrX]

SHIT!!!!!!!!

[DarknesmasterX]

@zarkonacas Nee hab den Mod nicht gemacht. Heißt Trek wars. Die wollen jetz nen neuen mit Klingonen machen

[Loden1]

Pretty cool, all right. Well done :)

[DinoMightStudios]

also is this game Star Trek Conquest?

[DarknesmasterX]

@DinoMightStudios No it is star wars empire at war forces of corruption, with trek wars mod. I've added Borg Cube and Borg Phasers ...

[DinoMightStudios]

Great video... Great idea.... geat everything!!...

People only say star wars wold own star trek because they know that star trek would own them ;]

[SuperSaiyanAl]

YOU made this gargantuan gunship?! Dear Lord, man! I demand a link to the download so that I, too, can buttfuck the Rebellion with a Borg Cube!

[roodaka2000]

ach und noch ne frage =P was is dieses riesige grün-schwarze quadrat?

[DarknesmasterX]

Das ist ein Borg Kubus aus Star Trek.

[roodaka2000]

gile musik xD ach kannse mir verraten wie ich in kampagne rebs oder imp in FOC spieln kann???

[DarknesmasterX]

In der Kampegne Gar nit in der Galaxis eroberung schon.

[97jabba]

Gute Idee mit "Trek Wars"

[mortenmcpit]

is ja cool, und das ist nicht nur das sichtbare sondern auch das was das spiel beeinflusst?

[DarknesmasterX]

Richtig!

Der Kubus zieht mehr ab als adere Schiffe, ist langsamer ...

[SiDo11100]

hay haste icqenn ja kanste mir die mdoe rüber schiekn hir meien icq numemr 454-948-516

[DarknesmasterX]

Bitte wenn du nen Kommentar schreibst dann bitte in Deutsch! Nein ich hab kein ICQ und überhaupt würde es dauern dir den mod zu schicken. (ca. 57h)

[fooby50000]

did u mod this mod, cuz i cant make cubes in galactic conquest?

[DarknesmasterX]

Yes  I modded it. You should read the discripstion

[hafang]

which mod is this? If it is TW-tactic, how did you get that cool menu and the cool skin for the borg?

[DarknesmasterX]

yes it's TW tactic but i dont modified the menu i just made the ships stronger or weaker and i added just the borg cube

[DarknesmasterX]

Hi Leute,

i plane ein vidoe wie Star Wars vs Star Trek aber i ch will es trek wars nennen.Ich hatte die Idee dass das imperium gegen die borg kämpfen soll, ich habe vor 3 teile zu machen.Bitte schreibt mir was ihr davon haltet

[DarknesmasterX]

Hi Guys,

i want to do an video like Star Wars vs Star Trek but i'll name it trek wars.I had the idea to let the empire fight vs the borg, i gonna do 3 episodes.Tell me what you think about it please.

[PaterTuus]

Gut gemacht.

Aber ich denke, die Rebellenflotte hätte gewinnen sollen.

Sorry for my bad German.

[DarknesmasterX]

Wieso hätte die Rebellenflotte gewinnen sollen?

[DarknesmasterX]

Nein ich hab nur den Borg Kubus eingefügt und ich glaub du benutzt wie ich Trek Wars Federation at War.das ist auch die englische version.

[KarlTX1000]

wow that was cool

must have been hard making the cube

[DarknesmasterX]

yes it took 5 hours i think but here is now a very great borg cube and thanks for your comment!