Christopher Hitchens on Winston Churchill and the Cold War - Viewer Call-In Part 2 (1990)

[ryanbeev]

he calle churchill correct

just a drunk just as bad as hitler

[ryanbeev]

canayda lol

i'm from canada  found that amusing

canayda

[cmclaus1]

@cemalson - I see what you did there.

[wblakesx]

Churchill>Harriman>Bush

[cssius]

The American was spot on.

[cemalson]

@cssius Hitchens was not American :)

[priapus56]

So Hitchens didn't think much of Churchill but greatly admired Gore Vidal. That's rather amusing. 

[sidvidkid]

Kind of sad listening to this guy talk about the socialisation of britain. The dreadful prussian type schooling has led to a huge decline in british capacity to make anything useful for the planet except north sea oil and financial "products".

Also sad to see his arrogant hubris thinking that america was somehow better, and that the class system and sense of entitlement of moneyed elites is any different in usa.

Ultimately usa is going the same course - towards decline, poverty and oligarchy.

[090hatch]

@sidvidkid There is no need to say arrogant hubris, chose either his hubris or his arrogance. A bit of a double entendre

[sidvidkid]

@090hatch

"A double entendre (French pronunciation: [dublɑ̃tɑ̃dʁə]) is a figure of speech in which a spoken phrase is devised to be understood in either of two ways. Often the first (more obvious) meaning is straightforward, while the second meaning is less so: often risqué or ironic."

There is no double entendre in what i said.

[jacksawild]

It's amusing to hear americans bash the british education system.. even when they're right.

[RetrousseRaptor]

@jacksawild In what regard is it better? The fact that the British educational system just passed an act to provide more money to parochial schools and is paying for bibles?

[jacksawild]

@RetrousseRaptor Learn English and then reread my comment. Also, don't get your facts from Fox, you're speaking of private schools which actually have a fine educational record. You're such a dumbass.

[RetrousseRaptor]

@jacksawild That great record is directly linked to the socioeconomic standing of the families that are able to afford to send their children to private school in the first place. And the entire point the man was making was that their is such a gap between the public and private schools, in not only the performance but also the quality of their educational equipment.

[Awzomk]

its impressive how he kept his voice at the same level of awesomeness after all these years of smoking! =)

[JayGatsbyOdysseus]

You are a good diplomat. I hope it is not too cold to stroll through Green Park.

[JayGatsbyOdysseus]

Yes, Hitler made many mistakes. If you want to see something funny, search "Hitler's Birthday Party" here on YouTube. It is hilarious.

[chrisgrainger]

7:51 Possible early use of "like" to mean "approximately".

[JayGatsbyOdysseus]

This isn't patriotic rage. I don't own a flag. It is objective truth. YOu call us an Oligarchy while you still have kings and queens and dukes and bullshit. lol I was in plymouth, england once in a pub. some idiot was going on how "we" (england) should never let yanks have our country. lol it is crazy people still act like that over there. maybe we should have let the germans take you over.

[youknowimright1]

@JayGatsbyOdysseus I am going to guess you are somewhat intelligent and know your history as do i, the truth is america didn't have a choice but to join the war,Don't try and blame an entire country and generalise them as arrogant due to a few mouthy people and a couple of bad experiences, there are arrogant, ignorant, self obsessed and pride stricken people on both sides of the atlantic so do try to be more tolerent of people's views and don't stereotype a whole diverse country and peoples.

[JayGatsbyOdysseus]

@youknowimright1 I'm not stereotyping any country. All I know is I go to Ukraine and Czech Republic and Poland and these people are we wish you would have taken over our country like you did the west and given us the Mashall Plan. They are very aware of history. Then, I go to England and France and they shit on me because I am an American. They are stereotyping me. If an American wants to travel to Europe, I always tell them to go to Eastern Europe. I don't go to western anymore.....

[youknowimright1]

@JayGatsbyOdysseus You go to say "i'm not stereotyping any country" and then do the exact opposite by mentioning a couple of positive feedback from Eastern Europe and counter postive feedback by western europe. You may have gone to certain part of the Uk where they may hold that veiw but elsewhere they may hold the opposite view and maybe elsewhere some Eastern countries view america oppositely from what you experienced.

[youknowimright1]

@JayGatsbyOdysseus The reason for scepticism and disenfranchisment towards american is more to do with the Iraq war, Afghan war, handling of the economic crises, Goerge Bush's image, American stereotype as arragont, The only country not to sign the Kyoto Treaty, Its unwillingness to abolish Capital Punishment, Guantanimo Bay which was promised to close, Torture of terrorism suspect on european soil, Americas position on europe as an entity and not as individual states and so on. Reasons do exist

[JayGatsbyOdysseus]

@youknowimright1 There is a relationship between Iraq and the revolutions in Tunisa, Libya, Egypt, and soon Syria. Do you not want democracies in these countries? I will be back in Londonstan (what Christopher Hitchens calls London, lol) in Jan. I wish I could go to Kiev or Prague.

[youknowimright1]

@JayGatsbyOdysseus I never said what america doing was wrong i just suggested the reasons for america's unpopularity, I do believe america should have had a more active role in the three examples of revolution you just mentioned, I know what you mean by your reference to Londonstan it does feel like that on occasions.I hope your trip to Londonstan is a bit more successful then your previous encounter.

[JayGatsbyOdysseus]

There would be no British without the USA which saved them and all of Europe. But, Hitchens wants to condem USA after USA saves his country. Then, Hitchens moves to USA.

[SethHesio]

@JayGatsbyOdysseus Are you going anywhere with that?

[youknowimright1]

@JayGatsbyOdysseus I'm sure you know your history as do i and the US would not have joined the war if it wasn't for japan so instead of US saving europe more like dragged into the war because they had no choice and eventhough we had been fighting Germany and Japan alone as france surrendered in weeks.

[JayGatsbyOdysseus]

@youknowimright1 Churchill was great. The British never surrendered. This is amazing, but also a fault of Hitler who didn't conquer Russia before he started a two front war. I think he might have been decieved in thinking the Brits were going to be as easy as the French. Yes, it is true that the USA would not have entered as quickly withoug Pearl Habor. (Something I never understood was why Hitler, an Aryan race belivever, made a pact with Tojo and Asian people.)

[youknowimright1]

@JayGatsbyOdysseus You are right It was thanks to Hitler we won the war for his incompetence in attacking the soviet union to his gamble of making an allience with japan to take help on the front of the british empire he could not reach such as australia and india, His mistake on bombing britain cities instead of factories, air bases/navy ports and industries and declaring war on the US who would have not joined the fight against Nazi Germany eventhough japan was in allience with them.

[JayGatsbyOdysseus]

But, I hate traveling throughout Europe and getting shit on by every nation over there after we rebuilt the Western Europe under the Marshall Plan. We are not an Utopian country. We have many ills and have done some bad stuff in foreign policy, but we got it right with Europe during and post WWII. The youth of the Europe just wants to shit on us Americans when we come over there. Hope you get things solved with Italy and the rest of the debt (Spain.) Hitchens lives here, blames the US, love

[BobMcCob]

@JayGatsbyOdysseus The past is the past and the present is the present. America sucks now man, deal with it.

[JayGatsbyOdysseus]

@BobMcCob YOu haven't been many places if you think the USA sucks. This must be why so many people come here. This must be the reason why 50 percent of the PhD candidates at all US universities are foreign born. This must be why many don't leave after finishing their studies. They don't want to go back to their countries. You just have words. I have facts. Rhetoric < data. Sorry, you lose, and, thus loser. Waiting for "witty" comment. Am sure you will return.

[BobMcCob]

@JayGatsbyOdysseus I didn't mean to invoke such patriotic rage, geeze. Americans are insanely arrogant and a lot of people I know will give them wrong directions / fuck with them on purpose when they travel here. Not all, generalizations are retarded. And yeah, the same can be said about Americans studying abroad. Its kind of a paralyzed crappy place to be now, however. The whole Bush & Obama combo really did your country in. Your political systems sucks and so do your police. Its an Oligarchy.

[Svenhartley]

bloody hell, how old was Hitchens here? Anyone know the year this was initially broadcast in?

[abjectreality]

He was totally right, Thatcher didn't tackle the education problem in Britain, and nobody since has. All the talk of record results but they lead to little opportunity once they leave school.

[Chrisdvc26]

"SORRY, that was a repetition..."

[timm9]

he put lots of hate and judging out there and now he is DYING.

KARMA

[6gentex]

@timm9 He put out the truth. Whether or not you don't see things clearly is sad for you. Karma has nothing to do with it. If Karma was dealt consistently, two thirds of the world leaders would have died long ago.

[timm9]

@6gentex He HATE based others based on Creed....Now he is a young guy in his death bed at 90lbs.

KARMA!!!

[JLJorgenson18]

@timm9 After looking at your channel, I find your hypocrisy to be alarmingly obvious. Your views on Hitchens are biased and although the reptilian part of your brain may not see it, Hitchens is one of the greatest positive forces this world has ever seen. Also, Karma doesn't exist.

[timm9]

@JLJorgenson18 He hate based people based on Creed....Now he is DYING in bed as a young guy. KARMA is Real!

[jredbar]

@timm9 sounds vehemently supportive of suggested karma. Which seems as something deserving of karmic retaliation in and of itself. You use the balancing act of karma to place regarded opinions on some perceived higher echelon. No person is above the judgment of recognized acts. No learning or insight could occur otherwise. Some happen to be more exacting and astute in their discernment of succession. Wishfully people could be more ingenuous of mistakes made and put aside creed prior to action.

[MrLincolnj]

And there's no reasoning with Churchill-haters either it seems - as amply demonstrated by Hitchens and Irving. Their parading of their so-called 'research' only serves to inflate their lies to truly grotesque proportions, but leaves the essential greatness of Churchill untouched. When Hitchens flaunts his views on Churchill - as though they were respectable as 'history' he joins Irving in the lowest reaches to which an intellect can descend.

[patient0Studios]

@MrLincolnj Please stop being pretentious; you aren't intelligent.

[MrLincolnj]

Churchill was (and will always remain) a hero, notwithstanding the rabidly vicious lies printed about him by the ridiculous non-historian David Irving, whose slanders are demonstrable fictions, exposed as such by many knowledgeable historians, including Andrew Roberts. Also as Roberts says, we must be thankful that it was Churchill and not Hitchens who was responsible for Britain's security in 1940. Hitchens is a buffoon who would, as readily as Irving, have sold Britain to Hitler.

[mwillis1000]

Winston Churchill is a world hero!

[nakedmambo]

@mwillis1000 Don't you mean a fat, mentally-ill aristocrat not beyond committing crime to get his way? Have a good look at his actions as home secretary. Know your history.

[mwillis1000]

@nakedmambo

Erm no i dont, and i know my history. So dont be so butt hurt.

[nakedmambo]

@mwillis1000 If you did you wouldn't say foolish things like "winston Churchill is a hero'.

[mwillis1000]

@nakedmambo

What ever, your such a butt hurt looney, why do you hate the man?? He was a hero, let me guess you think Hitler was a hero??

[nakedmambo]

@mwillis1000 You seem obsessed with "butts". Bit of deluded logic that if someone doesn't admire Churchill, they must admire Hitler. Clearly a fool. Your use of the word 'butt' tells me you may be American, but the Irish/Union Jack flags are confusing...maybe another tired Ulter Unionist? Who knows...and who cares?

[mwillis1000]

@nakedmambo

Well you clearly care because you talk about it. But im not a yank, and the only people who hate Churchill are Nazi's.

[nakedmambo]

@mwillis1000 I don't know any non-American of reasonable intelligence who uses the word 'butt'. Or who thinks only Nazi's don't admire (not hate) Churchill. Here's some advice: stick to your level, because at this moment you're completely floundering and showing your inadequacy.

[mwillis1000]

@nakedmambo

How??? Because i defend a hero who i look up to makes me an idiot or something in your deranged mind?

[nakedmambo]

@mwillis1000 You didn't say a 'hero', you said Winston Churchill. Anyway, pipe down now.

[mwillis1000]

@nakedmambo

What are you talking about, i called him a hero 2 weeks ago, the commant that made you have this shitfit.

[nakedmambo]

@mwillis1000 He's not a hero, so you weren't defending any heroes.

[mwillis1000]

@nakedmambo

He was, and why do you think different from the rest of the world?

[nakedmambo]

@mwillis1000 It may surprise you that the entire rest of the world doesn't share your view. Just the fans of surface politics. Let's leave it, we disagree.

[MrLincolnj]

@nakedmambo I wonder if you really do know your history as you claim to. What Churchill did as Home Secretary (and there are many things he did) was exemplary, and in conjunction with Lloyd George he introduced some of the most far-reaching, advanced, salutary and abiding reforms and measures in British domestic history. Go and look it up. I refer you to 'The Last Lion' if you don't know of any reputable texts yourself. And by the way, whether you like it or not, mwillis 1000 is right.

[nakedmambo]

There's no reasoning with Churchill worshippers, especially the American ones.

[MrLincolnj]

@nakedmambo To 'reason' you need to think logically: this seems difficult for you. Hitchens' intellect isn't bad as intellects go, even if it isn't exactly admirable. but his ungainly attempts to smirch Churchill's name and fame is an exercise in futility, even as it is one in baseness. Hitchens, I suspect, likes Irving's work because he, like Irving, cannot abide the stature and fame of Winston Churchill. And in this Hitchens shows himself to be as small and contemptible as Irving.

[nakedmambo]

@MrLincolnj Oh I'm hurt! You think I can't reason. A tiresome little oik like you will never want to admit the flaws of your hero, no matter how many there are or how much evidence is under your nose. Just piss off.

[MrLincolnj]

@nakedmambo Oh what an educated, graceful way you have with words!

[AnonymousWhitePerson]

Hitler was a runaway British agent.

[mwillis1000]

@AnonymousWhitePerson

What?

[AnonymousWhitePerson]

@mwillis1000

Hitler was a puppet of the Bank of England.

[AnonymousWhitePerson]

@mwillis1000

Your flag is Irish and British.

[mwillis1000]

@AnonymousWhitePerson

Yep.

[henrah1981]

Critchfield really reminds me of Fabio Capello.

[ncawadias]

@henrah1981 good call.

[TheLivirus]

@EdNortonisMineLol Why would it?

[DrNHand1994]

its missouri... not missoura. i live in missouri and it drives me crazy when somebody says missoura

[merton8181]

Whenever i watch him i get inspired to read

[merton8181]

No one called the repition... hes been on Just a Minute too much!

[gwangjuboy1]

These comments about the education system are even truer today.

[4LK0H0L1K]

I want do have sex with his chest hair....

[LeoRikimaru]

@4LK0H0L1K This statement got thumbs up? Really? :/

[qzchris]

I clearly need my glasses. I thought that pen he was holding was a super, long-ass cigarette.

[jerryhello100]

@qzchris That's a pencil.

[qzchris]

@jerryhello100 Right you are good sir!

[cheesemule]

@NIHILIST He didn't praise Churchill. He said Americans talk about Churchill.

[sansemoticus]

@cheesemule Well done, my fungal ungulate. "NIHILIST" must have an ulterior femor to scratch.

[SketchyBack]

lol I thought he was asking "what's your favorite BREAD" to humor the questioner with the bread monopoly/trade bloc question

[NlHILIST]

Hitchens is hopeless - little more than hot air. This is the perverse attention-seeking schoolboy who vents his hatred of mother Teresea on one hand, and praises Churchill on the other.

Churchill was a proven racist, liar and murderer. You'll find a wealth of quotes by Churchill himself to back this up.

[jemorrismmorris]

@NlHILIST

By full of hot air do you mean it goes right over your head?

[omsct]

Why is Fabio Capello giving a discussion on Britain?

[waitwhatwasthat]

Baby Face Hitch! Reading his memoir and now I see why he considered himself an attractive man in his youth

[AnonymousWhitePerson]

Sir Winston Churchill was my favourite Freemason of the Studholme Lodge.

[AnonymousWhitePerson]

Adolf Hitler... was a runaway British agent.

[AnonymousWhitePerson]

The policy-shaping kernel of the enemy forces centered in the British Monarchy is a group of private banking families…These are notably the family interests of the Lazard Brothers, Barings, N.M. Rothschild, Hill Samuel, and other small private banking houses.

[FeignofCordor]

The left always makes refrences to Hitler and the Nazis when using parrallels to counter any criticisim of any "non white" fascism that may threaten our freedoms. IE. Communism or Islamic terrorists

[AnonymousWhitePerson]

Adolf Hitler was a British agent.

[FeignofCordor]

@AnonymousWhitePerson

Don`t be so stupid

[AnonymousWhitePerson]

The British puppet, Hitler was financed into power by the Bank of England to create the impetus for a second war between Germany and Russia.

A Parody of World War I.

[jozza5589]

@AnonymousWhitePerson British AND American banks.

[AnonymousWhitePerson]

Adolf Hitler was a puppet of Sir Winston Churchill, Lord Lothian, and of the Royal Institute for International Affairs.

[KAIROA]

@AnonymousWhitePerson

Excuse me folks, but I never heard in my entire life, so many foolish opinions.

Where you got that information..? where, did you get so many nonsense...?

[AnonymousWhitePerson]

@KAIROA,

Adolf Hitler was financed into power by the Bank of England.

[AnonymousWhitePerson]

@KAIROA,

Adolf Hitler's financial sponsorship came from none other than Bank of England chairman, Lord Montegu Norman.

[phocjame]

Hitchens looks so young.

[Vostoek]

@phocjame Hitchens looks so sexy

[93simonk]

@phocjame he looks like Jude Law in Alphie :)