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  • i guess they kick any package with no "fragile handle with care" sticker on it :s

  • I always wondered why the corners of my packages are always fucked up....

  • @applepiebetty It was a joke why take it so seriously? It's the Internet get the stick out your ass.

  • im lucky the UPS man we have around where I live respects people's packages.

  • ups doesn't give a rats ass about your packages, if they did they would treat employees better.

    they spend more on trying to complicate shipping charges so they can screw their big accouts like Sears than they do about helping their own employees!

  • thats nothing.. you should go on a warehouse tour... you would be BEYOND shocked

  • Fra ,frah, fra-gee-lay, fragila, fragile nope don got no address for fragile!

  • how did i get here from minecraft?

  • This is why I take a shit in a box and ship with ups to a random address :)

  • @deathnote36O Classy. Real classy. Your mom must be proud.

    You sound like a dip shit!

  • kicking, and pushing them with his feet are two totally different things. I bet not one of those boxes was damaged

  • the loader probably fucked the load up... it is frustrating

  • This shitbird wouldnt be kicking anymore boxes if jihad sent a lovely mailbomb to the airport. Think with your brain and not your ass dicklips

  • @creamiercorn Lmao dude, your a fucking dumbass....ur lucky to not have the FBI, SWAT, and CIA at your fucking doorstep talking about sending a bomb in the mail....

  • @n2deepjds i talked about Jihad sending a bomb. i never said i was gonna send abomb. im not a violent person. You need to understand that Iran is saying that we and Isreal just assassinated its latest scientist.

  • I'm gonna have nightmares....I keep imagining that my macbook pro is in one of those packages.... XD

  • See how FedEx treats their CUSTOMERS, Go to YouTube, search word: FedEx Guy Throwing My Computer Monitor.

    FedEx was EXPOSED how they treat their customers and employees. FedEx has no RESPECT or DIGNITY for their customers and employees. FedEx respect only their CORPORATE LEADERS! FedEx is CRUEL, CALLOUS, and DEFIANT!

    Go to YouTube, search word: FedEx Inhumane Treatment

    Read the post how FedEx mistreated a 12 years employee with Parkinson disease.

  • @SuperMc1962 FEDEX RULES! you just jealous !

  • He would have been SOOOOO fired. Should have moved closer and got his license plate number, then took it straight to the news!

  • So after watching 20 mins of bad delivery videos, I've learned that UPS and FedEx throws and kicks our boxes around and USPS urinates in our driveways.

  • I worked in the nuclear sector for 2 years. We would ship Type II radioactive crates with FedEx. These guys would throw around the 100 000$ crates.

  • Hope you got his lazy ass fired.

  • I hope that stupid fuck got shit canned!

  • yes, ppl dont appreciate having a good job. or having a job period. look at him, i mean cmon man, im glad hes being videotaped. did he get fired over this, or what happened. ????? hopefully the person who was hiding in the bushes, so to speak, turned him in...

  • Probably a lazy nigger

  • @ECsponger2--Nope ya dumb cracka. He was a lazy, WHITE cracker!

  • this is way planes crash

  • jesus people calm down. they are obviously just boxes of aircraft parts. its not like they're action figures or somthing.

  • @groundloop07 LoL

  • so this is how my fucking bong broke you dirty fucks. do your fucking jobs right or let somebody else do it.

  • another1 bits the dust,no more bussiness 4 you gentlenmans

  • cool video in my channel!

  • And good people are looking for work...what an ass!

  • im getting delicate computer parts delivered in the next two days. i SWEAR to god I'm going to camp outside my house in the bushes around 12pm and wait JUST to check if he does anything with my 7 packages.

  • @TheRealEzzy lmaaoooo :P

  • It's in america. These guys don't appreciate their paycheck when there are people in other countries working for minimum or less than minimum wage. Lazy bastards deserve an ass-kicking.

  • there's a certain division of non fragile packages that are handled different for efficiency...

  • @CyborgNinja7 Nice cheesy line by the way "welcome to reality". It's cracking me up you actually argued that you shouldn't be expected to lean down to scan the packages lol. Damn I wish I could be a supervisor hearing you say that to me. People need jobs bad and look at you. That's not a bad job either. Mopping hot tar sucks not driving a damn truck delivering boxes you lazy fuck.

  • @CyborgNinja7 That doesn't confirm a thing. For your information I delivered for the sears and Roebuck company in the late 80's as one of my first jobs. I delivered appliances as well as smaller products. I drove a full bob truck all day and know what getting home late feels like. Not one time did I abuse the property of the customers just because I couldn't be bothered to do my damn job right. The only thing this has proven is you have a shit work ethic. Go haul the trash. Reality lol tell me

  • So lemme guess, you guys expect him to lean down and up while he scans every single package? You have no idea what it's like to work at a place like this.

  • @CyborgNinja7 I would think he's expected to do his job right so yes.

  • @Labzo441 That only confirms what I said: you have no idea. Every single person who works with packages at a warehouse throws them or kicks them. Welcome to reality.

  • Fun fact: You could train a small work force of children to do his job better. You don't even have to hire smart kids, just ones who can understand the concept of a paycheck.

    You work, you get paid. You make an ass out of yourself and you can get in line behind your friends at the milk kitchen.

  • He's lucky Chuck Norris uses FedEx

  • I think he was just on some hydro this particular day...

  • I worked for U.P.S as a Driver helper And ill tell ya I freaken hate it. My driver i worked with screwed my check up by shorting my hours i worked. I still want to kick his skinny stupid old weak ass. I made his life more easy by fast pace delivering stupid boxes to people doors. He kicks and throw boxes too, some U.P.S drivers are alright but most are asswipes. FUCK U.P.S!

  • The title of this video is a thats what she said

    

  • Probably just pissed because UPS treats employees like slaves. Ship with US Postal whenever possible to save jobs in America,UPS is outsourcing thousands of jobs to India.

    The beady eyed execs should be forced to live in India too!

  • Chuck Testa. Nuff said.

  • Doug heffernan.

  • I work in retail and most packages packaged by commercial companies and not by consumers could be airdropped by plane and not so much as scratch the contents.

  • That's Logistics! 

  • I guess that's why you need a High School Diploma to work for UPS/FedEx/DHL/etc. cause they only HIRE assholes who take their job for granted and throw people's shit around like that cause it's not their shit. Fucking assholes. I hope one day you all fuck up and HIRE a terrorist just because he has a HS Diploma and they sink the entire company into the pits of hell. Fuck you all.

  • I work for Fedex and I can only say that those who load or unload dont give a shit about boxes because they get paid shit and almost always are being pushed harder and harder especially during christmas season when they make you work on sundays for a while. But I will say that the WALPHS and service managers will write you up or fire you for doing this if you are caught. Ive punched and kicked a few boxes when I was in the trailers. I was wrong. Stressful. But its a good job if you keep it.

  • @89arnburg I work as sub contract for UPS and your right they just push and push us all to do more and faster or else there is hell to pay. I try and get rid of all my parcels every day so as not to give myself any extra work for the next. They still found somin to av a go at me for tho ,YOU DID NOT DO YOUR OIL CHECK ETC...lol. Never a well done for clearing everything and keeping our finds down etc.

  • I have used UPS and Fed Ex for years. I operate a business and both of the drivers that come here are very professional. They take a lot of pride in doing a good job. Even when they think I am not watching them. In my business I have had bad employees and when I was made aware of them. They were replaced. I am sure the same holds true here.

  • UPS sucks.

  • In only a very literal sense is he kicking boxes. He's really just moving them around with his feet.

  • take care of my shyt thats why i pay u for

  • Thats nothing. I worked at UPS for almost two years. (BIGGEST ASSHOLE MANAGEMENT IN THE WORLD AND THEY TREAT THEIR PEOPLE LIKE SHIT..i now have a much better job)... one time I loaded 1400 packages on 4 trucks in under 4 hours(not unusual at that shithole) Your shit is slung down conveyors, staked ten feet high on a truck for interstate shipping (you dont want your package at the bottom) oh yea, and everytime management yelled at me for not doing an IMPOSSIBLE work load.= thrown around shit

  • @stoshd

    I agree I used to work for UPS too loading Semi's and there is no time to worry about the boxes we had to push shove and pucnh the boxes to get them into the truck as tight as possible, That was after they were thrown down the rollers.

  • OH,.SO THATS WHAT HAPPENED TO MY COMPUTER!!,.AND HERE I WAS BLAMMING DELL,.NOW I SEE,.ITS DA LAZY ASS U.P.S.WORKER!,.HE NEEDS A DIFERENT JOB,.LIKE THE U.S.POSTAL SERVICE!!,.HE`D FIT RIGHT IN!!,.AND,.MAYBE GET MORE MONEY!!,.AND A NICER UNIFORM!,..UMM,.TELL ME THAT WASENT MY OUTSIDE VOICE?,.SORRY,.HAVE A HAPPY PACKAGE!

  • This makes me not want to use ups for anything USPS always and forever ;D

  • @TicTaxTT HAHAHAHA too bad your precious USPS will be bankrupt by the end of next year!

  • oh what's that yeah my area in UPS sorted 2 million packages in 1 night we're fucking santa clause to you guys

  • @luminaeus Obviously you haven't seen how some people pack their shit and you can blame them for scamming UPS by shipping shit that was already broken then claiming UPS did it.

  • am i the only one who thought it was a little creepy that someone was filming someone from very far away doing nothing special for about a minute?

  • @Madooblerxsauce you wouldn't think it was creepy if they were your packages 

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  • i got 360K it wos fucking broke all on pices fuck ups lucky i got new one at best buy

  • No harm, no foul.

  • On BN9 (Tampa Bay's BayNews9 ) they just posted a video shot in Apopka, Fl

    of several UPS guys unloading and tossing, kicking and sitting on customer's boxes.

    I hope they fire these idiots!

  • I recently worked on a truck as an extra hand and the job is pretty brutal. UPS doesn't look out for its drivers, gives them far too many deliveries, and is on their case about every little detail. Unrealistic expectations and a stressful working environment make the job a very difficult one, and this footage doesn't bother me. What's more is the packaging can handle it.

  • People just don't understand what products go through during shipping. It is all about the protective packaging. They are packaged to withstand much more than this. Just one bad bump in route on Interstate 95 makes this video what it really is...uneventful.

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  • @PennaPlanum At least he has a job.

  • It doesn't matter how well you need to pack/secure the item, the lazy cocksucker shouldn't be kicking parcel.

  • sumone kick this soccer player in HIS package!

  • He's practicing for the next world cup

  • Now I know why package arrived looking like a pancake!

  • Delivery guys who do this should be fired on the spot, no excuses. They aren't intelligent enough to hold a job.

  • I'd hardly call that kicking... Ok, I guess it's classified as kicking, but I'd say that's more like "moving" the packages with his foot. Doing the same motion with your hands would cause no less damage (if any).

  • @cheerstud13

    Were we watching the same video? Are you not seeing the guy kick the boxes, the boxes visibly airborne and into the rest of the items? That must mean if he slapped the boxes then it would have been the same damage i guess.

  • i see an unkicked package

    this video is fake

  • How do we know those weren't empty boxes? They look super light to me.

  • IF YOU DONT LIKE YOUR FUCKING OVERPAID JOB, LET SOMEONE ELSE DO IT!  I will do that job with CARE and for HALF the money that this idiot makes.

  • what a miserable cocksucker. i bet his union will make sure he doesn't get fired.

  • Yep hes black. My black ups guy drops my packages. 1 time i caught him and asked wtf. He just walked off. Didnt say anything.

  • Hes probably black....

  • There is bad employees with every job.....I am with UPS and find more integrity amongst drivers then they will ever get credit for. Lets put video tape in Stockbrokers NY offices....surely there would be much more deplorable footage .

  • @LEGODUDE256 Yea if you want to watch a guy changing there system from LIFO to FIFO all day.

  • @LEGODUDE256 If you screw up on the Street you get your ass canned immediately. Mistakes cost your firm millions upon millions of dollars and there is always young blood. You have no clue what you are talking about.

  • @Goofstauf Eat shit you delusional loser

  • @LEGODUDE256

    have you SEEN how much video that are like this of UPS and FedEx?! bad employees my ass they do the delivery in a half-assed way such as kicking boxes or throwing them, fuck! is it really that hard to hand deliver properly?!?! and excuse my spelling on english im from germany

  • it is usuly the shippers fault for not properly securing the package i swear im not sticking up for anybody or any thing truth is moving thousands of boxes in a timely manner i used to work for a valve company shipping 75lb+ packages via ups basicly you need to over-pack the inside seal with paper-tape wrap width and heights wise with a good plastic tape shipper need to pack for the worst not hope for the best blame the cheap company using flimsy boxes an minimal packing.

  • His lumbar region hurts that's why he can't pick them up.

  • if those pkgs are packed properly then they should be able to handle that..... they flow through a sytem of conveyer belts and chutes at at least 2 different bldgs which the journey is wayyyyy worse than that.... ups shippers know this and package accordingly.... if you dont your outta luck

  • @lynnsbomb UPS' claims department only requires 2 inched of packaging between the product and exterior of the box. I've shipped 1 inch thick steel plating and seen them come back bent to a 90 degree angle.

  • @lynnsbomb you're stupid it's NOT an excuse! they should care about delivering even though it is toilet paper they deliver. and if at the depot the package are managed even worse this company should be forbidden to exist period!

  • @lynnsbomb PACK AND SHIP PROMISE PROMISE!!!!!!!! UPS STORES FOR THE WIN!

  • @breecada000

    That's a scam in itself. They refuse to honor insurance on anything that wasn't packed by UPS so guess what, now you have to pay $30 more on everything you ship.

  • @lynnsbomb does that mean you should fucking kick them a loft them because they get treated like shit on the spot so that give every lazy ass motherfucker that does it the right to do it thats a bad excuse for shitty ass shipping company's like UPS

  • @lynnsbomb I was just about to say that. I work at my local UPS Store and with our standards of shipping, we pack to the point where what's inside the box doesn't have room to shift, and could survive being dropped 10 times off our counter (not that we test it, of course).

  • @lynnsbomb So you're saying it's unsafe to ship electronics with UPS and FedEx....

  • @lynnsbomb I worked at fedex and can tell you for certain , I also have a friend who works for ups, my house is on his route. packages go through a lot more than what that driver puts them through on the back of the truck, even guys like this. unless it says fragile all over it, the package was probably thrown in with the other hundreds of packages and then stacked neatly on the shelves. drivers have precious little time in the morning to get ready & leave. takes 3 hours. continued.

  • @circusboy90210 cont. to get your packages from the sort mark your map (so that all the streets involved are known and where all the pickups are located) gps is not dependable enough for this work, it takes a real driver to do this work. plus the paperwork, and syncing your palm pilot(data reader) then checking the fluids, and getting the day's fuel ration. don't forget breakfast.

  • @lynnsbomb thats a real good excuse to kick around stuff that people paid money for........

  • @lynnsbomb we used to drop our pakages before we shipped to check to seee if box broke open..we called iit the UPS TEST lol

  • This makes you realise that no matter what you do today, you're probably being filmed doing it.

  • maybe they were soccer balls

  • Gotta love unions who allow this to happen.Guy may of lost a days pay if at all.They need to fire their asses for this stuff.

  • Fucking jerk deserves to be kicked in the face just like he kicks other people's belongings.

  • I work for UPS - United Package Smashers.

  • I think Ups, FedEx and others should stop hiring white trash, and ghetto people

  • @Brownbuddy  whats left then ? do you wanna work there ?

  • @Brownbuddy Clocksuckers!

  • thats nothing lmfao..i was in training with a guy ..courier company same thing..and our packers packed crap that was burried under boxes for a address we already passed..well he lost it..throw'n boxes kick'n em out of the truck and having to reorganize them! they are all the same people..ups..purolator..fed x..and your local post office delievery people..lucky for us most of the post office stuff is just letter sized.not so many boxes.

  • smyru, if that does`nt get a rise out of u then u really havent seen much of life.

  • lol here's a nice fat package..KICK...KICK...

  • From what i see the boxes are empty because he wont be stupid enough to kick heavy boxes. I hope

  • Some people just having a bad day.. lmao

  • @Zhotai77 - Oh one more thing you stated they don't deal with people sooooo you've never signed off for a package before?? I believe most people that are at their homes and answer the door usually require a signature clearing the transaction. Unlike one video I just seen where a Fed Ex delivery guy bombs a monitor on the customers front yard while his front door was even open just had to ring the bell at the gate lmao

  • @PWatsonOU a lot of packages are non signature release, you ring the doorbell and put it in a favorable place, which they train you to look for, and generally you drive the same route so you know if certain people prefer things at the front or back door. Most drivers are very much by the book. The loaders, well, that's another story.

  • @Zhotai77 - And being a cashier is hard why from interacting with people lmao!! You mother fuckers got others that do the work for you grocery stores who takes the hit the bag boys and girls. The restaurant business you deal with the satisfied time of the customer for the most part real deal holy fields in that area are the waiters/waitress, cooks, and bus boys managers deal with a lot too but they get paid a bit more for that responsibility. Not left with too many areas of "hard" cashier jobs

  • Mistaken, he was shuffling the parcels.

  • For all of you think this is the worst that could happen. Boo fucking hoo. You don't know the half of it. Ask to take a tour in the warehouse. You'll see way worse.

  • If you can find "conversate" in the dictionary I'll pay you a zillion bucks.

  • @xhota77 - With all due respect you probably do not much of a work history to have an educated opinion. More importantly you certainly have no idea of the pressure they receive day in and day out from management. I ask that anyone that believes working for UPS (in any capacity) is easy then, by all means, take a job application. Start loading an unloading the trailers then work up to Saturday Air driver, then part -time driver and eventually full time driver.

  • @roxygirl9398 lol... it doesn't fucking matter what kind of shit the management gives them... if they can't handle it they should quit rather than take it out on the people who are paying for the shit they are tossing around and possibly breaking. It's a god damn job.... no one likes to lift a fucking finger to work anymore. Also work history means nothing. It's assholes like the guy in this video that rakes in the complaints which makes the management come down on them. Maybe you need education

  • Having been a UPS driver I can attest to the tremendous stress that comes with the occupation. I am not defending the actions of this driver but I am sympathetic as you are pushed beyond your limits every day and eventually you are going to break.

  • @roxygirl9398 yeah but what about the peoples packages?! say i order a $5000 Nintendo, yes they exist! and this guy destroys all value by denting the crap out of a once perfect box and possibly breaking the content. do i get an Ace venture or something?

    "got'a package for ya!" (sounds broken?!") "probably is sir but im sure it was something nice!"

    and thats it?! as my item is 100% irreplaceable even if i got 100% back on insurance which never happens? f**k that i want restitution!

  • @roxygirl9398 Pushed beyond your limits? You drive a truck around and drop things off. You aren't searching the Amazon for the cure for cancer. If he doesn't like it, get another grunt job.

  • @roxygirl9398 dude im a cashier and i deal with more bullshit than that cuz I have to conversate with people I dont wanna talk to and if I stay quiet they complain and dont get me started if the register fucks up the price cuz than I get all the bullshit for the company mistake, but I still smile and stay reasonable, these fuckers don't have to deal with the community just politely place a package ring a door bell and next stop but that too much work for these lazy people

  • @roxygirl9398 Pushed beyond limits? Elaborate... what limits? Reading an address? Ringing a doorbell? Driving a vehicle? Carrying mediocre light packages? If there is anything else please explain. I'd love to know. Although I am pretty sure the limits are your own. Emotional or physical. This is such an easy job.... Try being manager of an entire restaurant working from 8am-2am 5-7 nights a week.

  • Now thats quality service

  • i hate seeing videos like this, i work for ups as an unloader for the morning sort, personally i try the best i can to be gentle with peoples boxes when i take them out of the flight cans.

    situations liek this make it hard to say im proud to work for Brown.

    but you have my word, if you ship up to Alaska, ill handle your box with the same care i would for my own parcel, there ARE still some good ups people D:

  • @AlaskanMeTuber Luckily with that FedEx monitor throwing video I can't say FedEx is amazing either. I do appreciate that you try to respect people's things while you work.

  • @AlaskanMeTuber My problem is not that my packages come more often than not damaged by UPS, but rather that they just leave stuff out. I'd rather drive to the shipping center to pick up my packages rather than them just be left at the door. I can't be home always to predict their arrival. I usually have to call the day before my package is scheduled to arrive just to have it removed from the process of going onto the truck. If I miss it, I have to wait two days to pick it up

  • @jrgaz

    sometimes it is dependant on the location, all the states are different, our rule in alaska is: if the sun is out and no one us home ,leave near front door, but concealed as well as possible while leaving note on door, if rain is out leave in covered area with note tatine location, if heavy rain, do not deliver if n oone is home.

  • @AlaskanMeTuber

    yes it would be convineint to always be home when the drivers stop by, buyt you also have to look in their shoes, alot of the drivers i load for have around 300+ packages to deliver and they try to do so asap, a regular 300 parcel truck can take upwards to 12-14 hours to deliver 100%.

    as stupid as it sounds, 99% of the parcels we deliver dont require a signature to deliver, so they leave it and go if they are able to.

    We <3 Logistics :D

  • @AlaskanMeTuber nobody belives you.

  • @ColumboJedi

    and that's their choice, im telling you from experience of being a driver helper.

  • @AlaskanMeTuber you had me until you said "gentle."

    I used to work in a hub and gentle was the LAST thing anybody was with those boxes. They used to stand behind us with stopwatches and time how fast we unloaded the trucks. I never intentionally kicked anything, but I sure the hell wasn't gentle. no one was.

  • @fooloof

    thats a cryin shame, but they time us too, an m-1 with 300 peices is about a 15 minute can for us older workers, and unfortunately longer for the new guys.

    we can go damn near box to box in a uniform line without throwing them, so i guess to each their own on speed and efficiency.

  • @AlaskanMeTuber

    I worked as a reloader many years ago. Some of the videos on here are downright laziness in not taking a few extra steps to place the packkage on the porch. This guys "kicking" amounts to moving the boxes with his feet. I'd be alarmed if he was doing a Garret Hartley from the 45 yard line. If you're shipping UPS, FedEx or Postal...you gotta pack the stuff to handle the transit and don't get upset over a toss of your box. Now a slam dunk.....that you can raise H#!! over

  • @dgelwick I know. It's almost as if he was trying to pile his boxes for delivery without having to break his back doing it. He might have actually known what was in the boxes, depending on whether this was his regular route. I'm not sticking up for lazy people, I'm just saying...

  • @AlaskanMeTuber I know what you mean. I have friends that work for Fedex and they work their asses off. I believe you, and if I'm shipping up to Alaska, you'll be the first guy I call!

  • what can brown do for you?

  • Man you have all got to watch this couple trying to have sex during a nightshift. Please watch my CCTV video

  • this guy really gets a kick out of his job

  • @beerndumplings brilliant!

  • My UPS man asked me if he could use my yard for a "substation".. He said they got too many packages to deliver at Christmas. Next thing I know there are 116 packages in my driveway in plain sight and easy pickings for any theif. When I tried to give him a gate clicker he said, "No one will steal them. It`s easier for me to not have a fence to go through!" Obviously some kind of computers as well as expensive skis etc. All sitting next to the strret in my side yard. Couldn`t believe it!!

  • Sometimes there can be a live animal in one of those packages... Damn, no respect!

  • BAMF!! HE THREW IT ON THE GROUND!

    ...then kicked it. :)

  • So fucking dumb... they're packed well for a reason.  It doesn't fucking matter if u kick them...

  • @bbfusc

    And you are an uneducated MORON!!

  • @rfitz2u How am I an uneducated moron?

  • This is what unions are doing to our country.

  • @whatawookie5000 Sorry but I disagree with you on this topic. This is what I call the "E" generation. Those assholes who think they are "entitled" to everything including their job. The only reason why those guys were caught on camera, is because the filmers are in the same category and won't go out of their way and kick the guys ass that is destroying their property. If it weren't for the "UNIONS", you pussies would be working for $1.50 per hour.

  • @whatawookie5000 Wrong. UPS tries to fuck all of their employees over. If it weren't for the union then they would be slaves.

  • @bbfusc Nah... I know plenty of people who work for UPS. Your full of shit your one boss is just a prick. It's not like that everywhere.

  • I hope my Xbox 360 doesn't get smashed an kicked by that nigger

  • Was this filmed with a toaster?

  • @Robert021997 actually it was filmed using the newest technology in HD potatoes.

  • They don't call them Useless Pieces of Shit for nothing. UPS, when it definitely doesn't ever have to be there.

  • what can brown do for you

  • they make like 70k a year good money not bad for kickin a box

  • @macdaddy1600

    morel iek 80-85 buddy =/, at least up here in ak they do

  • I've seen them kicking boxes down the street, all the way across town, into the next country, then floating them across the ocean. Its a disgrace. All of them should be lynched for there ridiculous hidden dbl shipping charges plus border fee's and taxes.