I have to thank you for making this, I think we have to expose believers to their own religion. They are in no question good moral people, but yet they worship a book that says this..
We have in many years told christians what the bible says, and I am glad that someone does the same with islam. Just yhink about how the middle east could flourish with more secular states!
It is as they say, the best way to become an atheist is to read the bible. I hope we can add the koran there too.
@Blargaha I'd love to take credit for this video but I can't. I never made this video. It was made by a YouTube user called lorientalist. I just mirrored the video to help spread the message. I urge you to check him out for more of these types of essays.
I made a Muslim admit that the prophet was wrong after explaining this to him. He also said that he'd look it up and if I was wrong he'd bring his cousin and beat me up!!!
@19822andy Will do that, it is very well made, the research is very solid. It's sad that critisism of islam is instantly labeled as racism, but we can question christianity after our hearts desire.
May I ask what happened with the muslim? Did he he ever come back? Should be interesting to know if he took it to heart.
I guess islam is as much the religion of peace as christianity, islam did not spead over the eastern world through gentle persuasion, that's for sure!
@Blargaha He found out what I was saying was true and he said he didn't feel qualified enough to talk about religion!! He also told me that Islam had NOTHING to do with Abraham. I told him that when Muslims perform the hajj in mecca they actually get to touch a building built by Abraham. I called him a "De-caff, Low Fat" Muslim. He then said I couldn't tell him about Islam because I wasn't a Muzzie. Many lolz were had on that day
@langsense You disgust me for using your very sad experiences against someone to push a point against them.
Yes, molestation of children happens everywhere, all religions have adherers that are guilty of it. Howerver, muslims see the quran as the infallible word of god, does that not make it pretty disturbing that the book do condone pedophilia? (Mohammed married a very underage girl after all)
Name another world religion that forces underage girls to marry, please, prove your point.
I have removed my comment because I opened up to prove a point and in return I get you.
I don't have to prove any point. In fact you've done it yourself. You don't care if girls or boys are victims of these people or anybody... just so long as you prove that a religion is evil.. and in particular Islam, that's all you care about.
You glibly agree that molestation of children happens everywhere. However, Muslims... your hate for religion or Muslims is stronger than
@langsense Do think these attacks on my person are gainful in any way? Of course I care if kids suffer this, what sort of individual wouldn't?
But as I say, in this book, IT IS CONDONED FROM THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY.
Try getting that into your head, they say it's okay.
There is a difference between caring and mixing up sentimental arguments in a logical context. You try to score points by playing the sentimental card, it has no place in a logical discussion.
@langsense And I call you again, you said countries other than muslim force you girls to marry, ok, what other world religion forces young girls to marry?
No answer? Well, I can imagine it is easier to strawman and lie about my moral character instead.
How about those cults in America that marry young children off to their elders? How about the number of cases of known paedophilia and rape and incest in America, UK and other such countries, supposedly respectful of children and women?
I am not a strawman, I am a victim of this crime and it didn't take the Koran to make it happen. It happened in a society where children are supposed to be safe. So instead of using paedophilia to attack a religion because you don't like it..
@langsense That is why I said world religion, no country has a religion other than a world religio, so strictly speaking, your example is not a country, but a fringe group that has no real influence.
It's not about being a strawman, it's about doing one, look up strawman fallacy. And you even did one again, you claim that I believe the Koran is the only source for pedophilia, and that is arguing from a wrongful assumption, a,k,a a strawman argument.
Why don't you help those who are victims? Why don't you try to figure out what causes these people to do what they do? The effect it has on their victims all their lives?
You have shown no empathy for a person, a victim, you supposedly are screeching at Muslims about.
You don't really care, it's about attacking the religion and not protecting the children... I wish you could be in my shoes for a minute and those you supposedly care about.
@langsense And again, what is up with the personal attacks? If you cannot take being debated against, why are you then foing on a public forum?
Please, enlighten me, what has shown my lack of empathy?
It is that sort of hurt we want to spare ANY child, when pedophilia occurs in the west, it's the result of a disturbed individual. In Islam, apparently, IF a man wants to justify pedophilia, he can do it in his religion. Isn't that wrong, mandated pedophilia? I think so at least...
@langsense Thank you for sharing your personal experience and I'm sorry that you feel the need to delete your comments from my videos.
Child molestation is wrong. No child should have to be subjected to any abuse. It must have been a horrific time for you.
The point the video is making is that Muhammad did sexually abuse Aisha. Some Muslim clerics say if the prophet can do it then it's good enough for them. The excuses Muslims use is totally wrong to justify this behaviour.(cont..)
@langsense (cont...) A lot of the Muslims I know don't even know Muhammad consecrated his marriage when Aisha was 9 years old. The more people that are informed, the better. I think the video is quite tasteful too. What are your concerns? If you wish to inbox me then feel free as I understand this is a personal matter and you might not want to leave it on the comments section. Thank You
Thank you for your sympathy. Look, I have nothing against what you are trying to do but I just feel it is not just Muslims alone that are responsible for such acts or even condoning it. I have no doubt there is something in the bible about marrying children and possibly other religious doctrines. There is very little respect for children and obviously females in any religion.
I would just say that I do not think all Muslims agree with marrying children, I'm sure it happens
but is it worse than what happens in the rest of the world. It would be hard to quantify because many cases of paedophilia go unreported but you see and hear so much much about paedophile rings.. all this in the West and Eastern countries, who do not need a bible to tell them it's okay.
It's difficult to make my point as it's personal, i tried to explain to @blargaha but it is hard to express how it feels. I am not apologising for Islam, I am an atheist.
@langsense I am sorry if you felt questioned or attacked by me,but you have to understand, my distaste in this debate does not come from a hatred against islam or muslims, but the concern that a book which millions upon millions of people consider to be the perfect moral words of god, says sex with children is okay.
Not even the bible (that is full of nastyness) takes it that far.
@langsense I agree with you.. However this video deals specifically with Islam. All acts of child abuse are wrong.
Don't apologise for commenting either. It is your view and you are entitled to hold any opinion you wish. Your point is valid. It doesn't take a book to make a grown person molest a child. We should speak out against ALL acts of child molestation.
Please do not be offended or feel upset that this video doesn't address this. It only deals with one point and that is all.
@Blargaha any ethical. moral feelings about the children who go through this.
And that was my problem with this video too.
You disgust me because you don't actually care, you're using what happens to children, what happened to me to attack a religion. Because you hate it. That's all you care about.
Apologetics? You haven't understood a word i've said. Paedophiles don't need permission, nor seek it.. they do it knowing it is wrong.
Yes, any religion that condones it is wrong but even without religion, it would happen and does. In many christian countries and homes. And it seems that religions that supposedly don't condone it will protect their clergy from prosecution.
I am speaking here as a victim of this act.. not as an Apologetic as you call me.
@langsense Yes, but in this case it is condoned, from authority, attacks on children are condoned.
Apologetic is someone that is supposedly an atheist, but excuses the acts of religions, that is what you are.
My dislike has nothing to do with racism, which I'm sure you will accuse me of next, it has to do with that this book that millions of muslims take moral guidance from, says sleeping with children is okay. You can't get away from that.
I hate this aspect of Islam. The Yemen situation is appauling. I take it Invocatus was not your thing? Anyway, I am glad you like space bugs. I should do more of that sort of short video.
@19822andy
I have to thank you for making this, I think we have to expose believers to their own religion. They are in no question good moral people, but yet they worship a book that says this..
We have in many years told christians what the bible says, and I am glad that someone does the same with islam. Just yhink about how the middle east could flourish with more secular states!
It is as they say, the best way to become an atheist is to read the bible. I hope we can add the koran there too.
Blargaha 3 months ago
@Blargaha I'd love to take credit for this video but I can't. I never made this video. It was made by a YouTube user called lorientalist. I just mirrored the video to help spread the message. I urge you to check him out for more of these types of essays.
I made a Muslim admit that the prophet was wrong after explaining this to him. He also said that he'd look it up and if I was wrong he'd bring his cousin and beat me up!!!
The religion of peace?.
19822andy 3 months ago
@19822andy Will do that, it is very well made, the research is very solid. It's sad that critisism of islam is instantly labeled as racism, but we can question christianity after our hearts desire.
May I ask what happened with the muslim? Did he he ever come back? Should be interesting to know if he took it to heart.
I guess islam is as much the religion of peace as christianity, islam did not spead over the eastern world through gentle persuasion, that's for sure!
Blargaha 2 months ago
@Blargaha He found out what I was saying was true and he said he didn't feel qualified enough to talk about religion!! He also told me that Islam had NOTHING to do with Abraham. I told him that when Muslims perform the hajj in mecca they actually get to touch a building built by Abraham. I called him a "De-caff, Low Fat" Muslim. He then said I couldn't tell him about Islam because I wasn't a Muzzie. Many lolz were had on that day
19822andy 2 months ago
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langsense 3 months ago
@langsense You disgust me for using your very sad experiences against someone to push a point against them.
Yes, molestation of children happens everywhere, all religions have adherers that are guilty of it. Howerver, muslims see the quran as the infallible word of god, does that not make it pretty disturbing that the book do condone pedophilia? (Mohammed married a very underage girl after all)
Name another world religion that forces underage girls to marry, please, prove your point.
Blargaha 3 months ago in playlist Fler videoklipp från 19822andy
@Blargaha
I have removed my comment because I opened up to prove a point and in return I get you.
I don't have to prove any point. In fact you've done it yourself. You don't care if girls or boys are victims of these people or anybody... just so long as you prove that a religion is evil.. and in particular Islam, that's all you care about.
You glibly agree that molestation of children happens everywhere. However, Muslims... your hate for religion or Muslims is stronger than
langsense 3 months ago
@langsense Do think these attacks on my person are gainful in any way? Of course I care if kids suffer this, what sort of individual wouldn't?
But as I say, in this book, IT IS CONDONED FROM THE HIGHEST AUTHORITY.
Try getting that into your head, they say it's okay.
There is a difference between caring and mixing up sentimental arguments in a logical context. You try to score points by playing the sentimental card, it has no place in a logical discussion.
Blargaha 3 months ago
@langsense And I call you again, you said countries other than muslim force you girls to marry, ok, what other world religion forces young girls to marry?
No answer? Well, I can imagine it is easier to strawman and lie about my moral character instead.
Blargaha 3 months ago
@Blargaha
How about those cults in America that marry young children off to their elders? How about the number of cases of known paedophilia and rape and incest in America, UK and other such countries, supposedly respectful of children and women?
I am not a strawman, I am a victim of this crime and it didn't take the Koran to make it happen. It happened in a society where children are supposed to be safe. So instead of using paedophilia to attack a religion because you don't like it..
langsense 3 months ago
@langsense That is why I said world religion, no country has a religion other than a world religio, so strictly speaking, your example is not a country, but a fringe group that has no real influence.
It's not about being a strawman, it's about doing one, look up strawman fallacy. And you even did one again, you claim that I believe the Koran is the only source for pedophilia, and that is arguing from a wrongful assumption, a,k,a a strawman argument.
Blargaha 3 months ago
@Blargaha
Why don't you help those who are victims? Why don't you try to figure out what causes these people to do what they do? The effect it has on their victims all their lives?
You have shown no empathy for a person, a victim, you supposedly are screeching at Muslims about.
You don't really care, it's about attacking the religion and not protecting the children... I wish you could be in my shoes for a minute and those you supposedly care about.
langsense 3 months ago
@langsense And again, what is up with the personal attacks? If you cannot take being debated against, why are you then foing on a public forum?
Please, enlighten me, what has shown my lack of empathy?
It is that sort of hurt we want to spare ANY child, when pedophilia occurs in the west, it's the result of a disturbed individual. In Islam, apparently, IF a man wants to justify pedophilia, he can do it in his religion. Isn't that wrong, mandated pedophilia? I think so at least...
Blargaha 3 months ago
@langsense Thank you for sharing your personal experience and I'm sorry that you feel the need to delete your comments from my videos.
Child molestation is wrong. No child should have to be subjected to any abuse. It must have been a horrific time for you.
The point the video is making is that Muhammad did sexually abuse Aisha. Some Muslim clerics say if the prophet can do it then it's good enough for them. The excuses Muslims use is totally wrong to justify this behaviour.(cont..)
19822andy 3 months ago
@langsense (cont...) A lot of the Muslims I know don't even know Muhammad consecrated his marriage when Aisha was 9 years old. The more people that are informed, the better. I think the video is quite tasteful too. What are your concerns? If you wish to inbox me then feel free as I understand this is a personal matter and you might not want to leave it on the comments section. Thank You
19822andy 3 months ago
@19822andy
Thank you for your sympathy. Look, I have nothing against what you are trying to do but I just feel it is not just Muslims alone that are responsible for such acts or even condoning it. I have no doubt there is something in the bible about marrying children and possibly other religious doctrines. There is very little respect for children and obviously females in any religion.
I would just say that I do not think all Muslims agree with marrying children, I'm sure it happens
langsense 3 months ago
@19822andy
but is it worse than what happens in the rest of the world. It would be hard to quantify because many cases of paedophilia go unreported but you see and hear so much much about paedophile rings.. all this in the West and Eastern countries, who do not need a bible to tell them it's okay.
It's difficult to make my point as it's personal, i tried to explain to @blargaha but it is hard to express how it feels. I am not apologising for Islam, I am an atheist.
langsense 3 months ago
@langsense I am sorry if you felt questioned or attacked by me,but you have to understand, my distaste in this debate does not come from a hatred against islam or muslims, but the concern that a book which millions upon millions of people consider to be the perfect moral words of god, says sex with children is okay.
Not even the bible (that is full of nastyness) takes it that far.
Blargaha 3 months ago
@langsense I agree with you.. However this video deals specifically with Islam. All acts of child abuse are wrong.
Don't apologise for commenting either. It is your view and you are entitled to hold any opinion you wish. Your point is valid. It doesn't take a book to make a grown person molest a child. We should speak out against ALL acts of child molestation.
Please do not be offended or feel upset that this video doesn't address this. It only deals with one point and that is all.
Take care!
19822andy 3 months ago
@19822andy
I'm sort of sorry I commented.
langsense 3 months ago
@Blargaha any ethical. moral feelings about the children who go through this.
And that was my problem with this video too.
You disgust me because you don't actually care, you're using what happens to children, what happened to me to attack a religion. Because you hate it. That's all you care about.
langsense 3 months ago
@langsense I dsilike all religions, especially the catholic church for... Hold on now.. Their priests molestation of small children.
You can try to strawman me all you want, I'm not falling for it, I have no particular hate for islam (except for it being a religion).
Evil is a religious concept, why then use it?
This condoning of pedophilia is WRONG, and no vitriol from you can change it.
When are you apologetics going to learn? You are not doing the religions any favours...
Blargaha 3 months ago
@Blargaha
Apologetics? You haven't understood a word i've said. Paedophiles don't need permission, nor seek it.. they do it knowing it is wrong.
Yes, any religion that condones it is wrong but even without religion, it would happen and does. In many christian countries and homes. And it seems that religions that supposedly don't condone it will protect their clergy from prosecution.
I am speaking here as a victim of this act.. not as an Apologetic as you call me.
langsense 3 months ago
@langsense Yes, but in this case it is condoned, from authority, attacks on children are condoned.
Apologetic is someone that is supposedly an atheist, but excuses the acts of religions, that is what you are.
My dislike has nothing to do with racism, which I'm sure you will accuse me of next, it has to do with that this book that millions of muslims take moral guidance from, says sleeping with children is okay. You can't get away from that.
Blargaha 3 months ago
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@Blargaha
I'm ignoring you. You don't get it.
langsense 3 months ago
Pedophiles have their own religion. Wow!
MsMommaRose 3 months ago in playlist More videos from 19822andy
I hate this aspect of Islam. The Yemen situation is appauling. I take it Invocatus was not your thing? Anyway, I am glad you like space bugs. I should do more of that sort of short video.
NoFaithNoPain 4 months ago