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AoA.. Thanks Of Allah aap nay bhot sahe frmya hai..main a aur aap kay samny bol bhe nahe skta kher main kuch likhny say phly aap say mafi ka tlbgar hun.. wo ye jo shkas Mirza Ghulam Ahmed Pay Rozna LAnt nahe bhjta main smjht hun us ka iman kamzor hai ye jmat lante jmat hai aur Kafar hai inn ke jmat ka her bnda Lante hai aur ye UK ke Nuyjaz Ulad han...Allah ke inn pay lanat ..ho ager kase Ahmdi ko mare baat bore lage ho tou mery Lun say ...wo Lun jo in ke female main jata hai. Thank You.
u know nothing about jammat Ahmadiyya. so you better shut ur mouth!!!!! Allah Tallah wahid o lasharik hai. koi b khud ko uska shareek nahe thera sakta nauzubillah.. aur agar koi insan aisa krta hai tu wo nist o nabut hjata hai. jahil tu tum loog hu. jin ki ankhon per parda parha hua hai.
@faziljaved Contd.: You may believe otherwise, that the Khalifa of Islam Ahmadiyyat is not the Khalifa for you or other Muslims. Nonetheless, that is what the belief of Ahmadi Muslims is, so let it be known and understood that there is no objection that can be made on Ahmadiyyah Muslim Jama'at on having Khilaafat. Jazaakallah!
محی الدین ابن عربیؒ فرماتے ہیں: ۔ کہ امام مہدی علیہ السلام کے ظہور پر سوائے علماء کے اُن کا کوئی کھلا کھلا دشمن نہیں ہو گا۔ یعنی علماء ہی خصوصیت سے مخالفت کریں گے۔ (فتوحات مکیہ، جلد 3 ،صفحہ 336 )
رسول کریم ﷺ نے فرمایا : جو کوئی بھی امام (مہدی پر ایمان لانے) کے بغیر مر گیا تو وہ جاہلیت کی موت مرا۔
( مسند احمد بن حنبل، جلد 4 زیر عنوان حدیث معاویہ بن ابی سفیان ، صفحہ 96 )
@daniaal96 اصلی امام مہدی کے بارے میں کہا گیا ہے۔ مرزا نقلی امام مھدی تھا۔ اسے تو اللہ کے گھر جانے کی بھی اجازت نہیں ملی اللہ کی طرف سے۔ کیسی لعنت پڑی مرزا پر!!!!!
Question was based on jhoot. It was a hadith that latter days ulema will be worst creature. This was said by holy prophe( saw) and u said ahmadi jamat ka dawa hay.
The Hadith of the Holy Prophet(s) about the turn of events after his demise has these words at the end: Thumma Takoonu khilaafatun 'alaa minhaajinnubuwwa!
Then shall Khilaafat be established on the footsteps of prophethood!!!
So, upon the arrival of a prophet (Masih aka Imam mahdi) the khilaafat was to be established.
Without khilafat Muslims are like a body with no head!
Khilafat is for believers not to run states... get your facts straight!
lol... now about Khilafat... I am surprised Javed Ghamidi Sahib said that Khilafat has no concept in Islam. Then would somebody mind telling me what this verse is doing in the Holy Quran? : (24:56) Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good works that He will surely make them Successors in the earth, as He made Successors from among those who were before them;
Here, the word believers is used for people in whom the Khilafat would be established.
@Ruhamituh you did not listen to him properly. he did not say khilafat in islam. he said there is no concept of khilafat in a jamait in islam. that means a jamait or a group of people cant have khalifa. khilafat is for all the muslims. do you understand? and i also ask you to become muslim. mirza is a false prophet
@faziljaved Let me make it easier, brother, there is no concept of a seperate "Jama'at" in Islam. The Holy Prophet(s) has spoken very strictly AGAINST Sectarianism. So obviously there is no concept of a seperate Khalifa for a seperate sect or jam'aat in Islam.
Nonetheless Sad knews, but we ended up dividing into countless different sects... Our sects had more different sects. How do you unite the Muslims again? Either you can go back 1400 years or either God raises an Ummati (Subordinate) Prophet (OR Jesus/Mahdi as your belief may be) to reform & Unite the people of the Holy Prophet(s). A figure that raises his voice and calls people to a new beginning! If that happens, there will be opposition, as says Quran.
To have Order, Unity, and Distinction you must have a title distinguishing the followers of an Ummati Prophet/Imam Mahdi (Or Jesus as may be your belief), but this won't mean it will be a sect, but it will be an addition, an "ijmaa'" or "jama'at" of all other sects and all other Muslims and in fact all of Mankind as Islam is an addition or "ijmaa" of all other religions. So the Khalifa after that Prophet will never be the Khalifa of a restricted people, but for EveryOne!
@faziljaved Contd.: So just like that, the Khalifa of Islam Ahmadiyya is not only for a certain Jama'at, He is a Khalifa for EveryOne! Those who follow him are called Ahmadi Muslims. So as you pointed out, that I may have been mistaken in understanding Mr.Ghamdi, and that he never objected that there is no concept of Khilafat in Islam but he said there is none in a Jama'at... That means there is a concept of Khialafat in Islam? If yes, the khalifa of Islam Ahmadiyyat is the Khalifa of Islam
@Ruhamituh yeah khalifa of islam. you are not even 1% of muslim population of the world and yet have a khalifa of islam which is not even considered muslim by all the 99% of muslims in the world. khalifas come when there is consensus between all the muslims of the world not just within 0.5%. and you are missguided people believe him to be a khalifa. khalifas establish themselves among the muslims first. they are not considered non muslims. so mirza is a kafir. no khalifa ever called kafir
@faziljaved You don't get it do you? YOU MUSLIMS KILLED YOUR LAST 2 KHALIFAS! NAMELY HIS LEGACY HADHRAT UTHMAAN(RA) AND HADHRAT ALI(RA)!!! WHAT MAKES YOU EVEN THINK AND MAKE THAT STATEMENT FAZIL?
I MEAN HAVE YOU NO DECENCY? WITH WHAT AUDACITY DO YOU MAKE THAT STATEMENT? YOU MUSLIMS PROVED THE HADITH OF THE HOLY PROPHET(S) THAT DECLARED YOU AND THE JEWS AS A PAIR OF SHOES, ONE AND ALIKE! BECAUSE THEY KILLED THEIR PROPHETS! AND YOU KILLED YOUR KHALIFAS!
@faziljaved NONETHELESS, GOD OUR ALLAH THE EVER MERCIFUL DECIDED TO BLESS US ONCE AGAIN WITH KHILAAFAT AFTER 1300 YEARS!
NOW, FOR A 1000 YEARS AND MORE YOU HAD NO KHALIFA, KNOW WHY? BECAUSE YOU, NO NOT YOU, WE, THIS INCLUDES ME AS WELL BROTHER, WEEEE DID NOT DESERVE KHILAFAT
BUT GOD BLESSED US! HE BLESSED US NONETHELESS!
NOW YOUR CRITICISM IS THAT WHY DOES THE KHALIFA NOT HAVE THE APPROVAL, REALLY?, "APPROVAL" (OH MY MERCIFUL GOD!!!) !!!!!!!!!
@faziljaved YOU SAY AHMADIYYA MUSLIM KHALIFA SHOULD HAVE STARTED IN THE MAJORITY, INSTEAD HE STARTED IN A MINORITY. BRO! THERE WAS NO MINORITY, WE AHMADI MUSLIMS AS A COMMUNITY MATTER ZERO, ZILCH, NOTHING BEFORE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE KHALIFATUL MASIHU RASULULLAH (THAT IS, THE KHALIFA(ABA) OF THE MESSIAH(AS) OF THE HOLY PROPHET OF GOD(S)
SO HE BEGAN HIS MISSION AS COMMANDED BY GOD, WHERE HE STARTED? HE STARTED WITH THOSE WHO BELEIVED IN HIM, JUST LIKE HADHRAT MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD(AS) STARTED WITH ONLY THOSE WHO BELIEVED IN HIM.. AND THAT IS EXACTLY THE SAME WAY THE HOLY PROPHET(S) OF ISLAM BEGAN ONLY WITH THOSE WHO BELIEVED IN HIM. THAT IS IN FACT EXACTLY THE SAME WAY ALL THE PROPHETS OF GOD HAVE BEGUN THEIR MISSIONS, ALONE AND ONLY WITH THOSE WHO BELEIVED IN HIM.
@faziljaved THE MAJORITIES HAVE ALWAYS REJECTED THE PROPHETS AND MEN OF GOD FAZIL! IT IS ONLY TIME AND GRACE OF GOD THAT HAS TURNED THOSE MINORITIES INTO MAJORITIES!
HAVE SOME HUMILITY MAN, YOUR SALVATION RESIDES ON HOW WISELY OR HOW STUPIDLY YOU TRY TO UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE.
@faziljaved THE MAJORITIES HAVE ALWAYS REJECTED THE PROPHETS AND MEN OF GOD FAZIL! IT IS ONLY TIME AND GRACE OF GOD THAT HAS TURNED THOSE MINORITIES INTO MAJORITIES!
HAVE SOME HUMILITY MAN, YOUR SALVATION RESIDES ON HOW WISELY OR HOW STUPIDLY YOU TRY TO UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE.
@faziljaved AND JUST SO THAT YOU DON'T GET THE IDEA THAT I AM SAYING THE AHMADI MUSLIMS ARE NATURALLY BORN BETTER MUSLIMS THAN THE REST OF ALL THE MUSLIMS
I WILL SAY THIS THAT AHMADI MUSLIMS TOO WERE JUST "MUSLIMS" BEFORE THE ADVENT OF THE PROMISED MESSIAH, THEY TOO WERE AMONG THOSE WHO WERE LIVING IN THE DARK AGES WHERE THE KHILAAFAT OF GOD DID NOT EXIST, THEY TOO WERE AMONG THOSE OTHER MUSLIMS WHO WERE BANNED FROM THE BLESSINGS OF KHILAFAT!
@faziljaved AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THE KHALIFA OF AHMADIYYA MUSLIM JAMA'AT IS NOT CALLED A KAFIR, YOU CALL HIM A KAFIR! THE MUSLIMS CALL HIM A KAFIR! FOR GOD HE IS A MUSLIM!
MAJORITIES ALWAYS REJECT THOSE FROM GOD, AND SO TODAY MUSLIMS HAVE DONE SO AS WELL!
YOU ARE CLOSING THE DOOR OF MERCY UPON YOURSELF! YOU ARE INVITING THE WRATH OF ALLAH YOURSELF AS A MUSLIM NATION.
"HEARKEN TO THE CALL OF HEAVENS, THE MESSIAH HAS COME, THE MESSIAH HAS COME" - words of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as)
@faziljaved LOL SORRY ONE LAST THING I JUST HAVE TO SAY!!!
You mean to say Fazil, Javed, that you as a Muslim Nation, want that AFTER, (AFTER), that God has decided to forgive our transgressions AS A NATION OF MUSLIMS and has decided to Bless Us with Khilaafat and to Raise a Person among us of such STATUS OF SPIRITUALITY AS IS HELD BY A REFORMER AND KHALIFA, SO AFTER ALL THAT GREAT FAVOR OF GOD UPON US!
@faziljaved YOU MEAN TO SAY THAT AFTER THAT, YOU EXPECT THAT THE PERSON FROM GOD (OF THAT STATUS) GOES AROUND KNOCKING THE DOORS OF MAJORITY MUSLIMS TO BE APPROVED AS KHALIFA? AND TO ASK YOU ALL IF HE IS MUSLIM?
ASTAGHFIRULLAH!
MUSLIMS AS A NATION HAVE INCREASED ONLY IN TAKABBBUR, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DECLARE A PERSON AS KAFIR OTHER THAN TO THINK SO FOR YOUR OWN SOUL, DECLARING A PROPHET AND KHALIFA AS KAAFIR IS BUT LIGHT YEARS BEYOND YOUR JURISDICTION, YOU HAVE TO LEARN THAT!
@Ruhamituh i will dont worry and i will fast for the whole month and i will pray for the muslim world and i will curse all the false prophets and ask god to send them to hell. especially gulam mirza and i will ask god to show qadianese the true path and wisdom to get out of the darkness they are in
@faziljaved Thank you at least you are praying and are not deceived into thinking that you should "kill" the Ahmadi Muslims like many misguided Muslims think is a good deed to do.
Before you conclude for your personal beliefs that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) was a False Prophet, I will remind you that he claimed to talk to God. By the way, do you know what the Holy Quran says about what God does to people who say that God has spoken to them and God has not spoken to them?
@Ruhamituh listen you need to look at it realistically. every true prophet sent by God struggled in his life but in the end he is the conquerer. he is successfull in his mission. no one could stop him. he becomes the super power of his time. the world starts to follow him. and all that happens in his life time. its only the false prophets who succeed to convince a small number of people there are a lot of fraud pir and faqeer type of people and i see a lot of people following them open your eyes
@faziljaved In a verse of the Holy Quran God says that if someone ever says that God said something to him and in reality God did not, then God would make that person perish by cutting his jugular vein(This is understood to be a period of 23 years). If Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) was a false prophet, his mission could not have lasted this long, it should have been thrown out of existence 120 years ago.
@faziljaved This kind of Success should not be allowed to Ahmadi Muslims if their founder fraudulently said that God said things to him, Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) has written so many things as pure one on one conversations or revalations from God: Search "29th World Religions Conference: CTV news clip" On Youtube, it is by user: World Religions Conference - Waterloo
@Ruhamituh man you dont understand at all. nobody allowed prophets of God to preach. every prophet went through so much hardships that you mirzas circumstances are nothing against theirs. God forbid me for comparing them to mirza. but this is to make you understand. look at our prophet Mohamed (pbuh) the whole community around him wanted to kill him. they tried many times. he fought wars with them. look at all the other prophets and you will know. the prophet has to succeed if he is true prophet
@faziljaved which war did Jesus(as) fight brother? Or Abraham(as)? Or his sons? And you are right that all prophets and their followers were persecuted. Last May, 80 of our Ahmadi Muslim worshipers were killed in a bomb blast by extremists. Countless Ahmadi Muslims are targeted and killed just for being Ahmadi Muslims, this not what makes Ahmadi Muslims like the Sahaba of Holy Prophet(s), it is our action in response to all of the atrocities put upon against us: we're patient.
@Ruhamituh Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) specifically said God said such and such things to him, he made claims of revelation, name some people for me that you know are around and they made claims of communion with God. come on name them! I want to see how much you know what you're talking. The verse of the Holy Quran holds the condition that if someone makes claim of false revelation, God will destroy them! Do you even know which verse I refer to? Tell me if not, I'll tell you, I promise!
@faziljaved Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) too had many people who tried to kill him.... so there... it resembles
now come back to the point i don't know why you compared with true prophets I compared with false prophets that if H. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a liar (God Forbid) then he would have surely been erased out of existence as says the quran. Now you say that other liars are around? No they don't make tall claims that God has said such and such things to them they don't fall under the deal!
@Ruhamituh there are people want to kill me does it make me someone speciall. my whole point is the true prophets are always triumphed in the end. if he was true prophet the whole region would have been turned qadiani. there are fraud peers in our country and even they manage to find mureeds around them. and then those mureeds involve their children to join that peer. thats exactly happened to mirza. he was a failure if you compare him with true prophets. thats my point. its not your fault
@faziljaved Now you are mocking me, I never said that just the fact of someone wanting to kill somebody makes someone a prophet. You are also going back from your word; you're the one who said Prophets have had people who wanted to kill them. I understood that you are saying that is a contributing sign tot he big picture and that is why I told you there have been people who have tried killing the Promised Messiah(as). I mentioned that as a contributing factor and not an independent sign.
Javed Ghamidi says at the end that the announcement of Kufr or Iman is only with Allah which He makes at the time of Prophets. This statement challenges his criticism about the 2nd Khalifa of Jama'at Ahmadiya(ra) that he made a statement against humbleness. Why? Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) claimed to be a prophet, and the 2nd Khalifa(ra) was his khalifa.... therefore, the time and place was right to make that statement about kufr of non Ahmadi Muslims. but that kufr is of Masih.
غا مدي may Allah give u Tawfeeq to stand for deen. U claime to be a scholor but u seems to be a stupid man by having such a soft response against kuffars.what's wrong if u could clearly said that Qadianies ملعو نين are kuffar.u should be punnished for this inshallah.if .
If u cannot u cannot iddentify the non Muslims,zendeeq,munafeqeen what's the point having these long lectures. U people who are in this business like ghamdi are the enemies of Islam.i am saying that and this is my EMAN that قا د يا ني are the same level kuffar as the شيعه are
ghamidi saheb have courage to call qadianis as kafir as their last prophet is british bitch MIRZA ghulam ahmed qadiani alkazzab.Allah will catch you on the day of judgement when chance was given to you to reveal the truth you kept quite just to please kafir jamat qadiani please Allah to whome we all will go.
ghamidi saheb you should speak hard words agains this munafiq jamaat of qadiani originated by mirza ghulam ahmed qadiani alkazzab (lanat Allah alaih) see what sahaba did with musalama alkazzab. Mirza ghulam a qadiani alkazzab is one of the 30 liars mohemmed (saws) mentioned us they will claim to be prophet from god but they are liars beware of them. Under the protection of his british masters this pig mirza ghulam a qadiani alkazzab survived or else we would have cut his balls even dogs will vom
ghamidi saheb pls go through hadeeth you said regarding imam mahdi there are no hadeeth among sunni regarding imam mahdi. there are 50 sahih hadeeth about imam mahdi why are you supporting mirza ghulam ahmed qadiani alkazzabs (lanat allah alaih) movement if you dint read the hadeeth go through them.
Ahmadi log kitne jahil hay. Ahmadiyo nai jo jawab iss ka diya hai, jisey MTA per dikhaya gaya. ahmadiyo ki jahalat ka saboot hai.
Ghamidi sahib nai tu ye nahien kaha ke khilafat ka tasawer islam mai nahien hai. balke unho nai tasleem kia hai ke Khilafat tab hogi jab islami riyasat qaim hogi. yehi waja hai, ke jab hazrat Ali ke baad hazrat Imam hassan khalifa baney, tu aap ne khud khilafat chor di. kunke aap ko Hakumat hasil nahien thee.
Parrho tareekh Islam ki. hassan (ra) Khaleefa thay. oon k or muawiyya (ra) k dermian sulah hoi take musselmaanon main khonrezi no ho. oon ka 6 mah ka daur Khilafate Rashida main shaamil hai. oss k ba'd mulokiyyat hogai. issi liyya mauwiyya (ra) ko amir k laqab se pukaartey hain. mirzaiyyon apne sirdar ko Kh kehtey hain to oss se kiya hota hai. wo to ek musslemaan bhi naheen. mirzai musselmaan neheen hain. wo musselmaan naheen ho sakte jb tk mirza ko Nabi maaney.
@umar0903 because when alim sana -ullah(may allah pls be with him) faced mirza ghulam ahmed qadiani alkazzab mirza lakazzzab died in his own shit as kafir. we want qadianis to become muslims and die as muslim
THEY BELIEVE THAT JESSUS pbuh WILL COME SO THEN THEY ARE KAFIR OR MUSLIMS ? AS HE SAID THAT THERE IS NO SPACE FOR ANY PROPHET TO COME BECAUSE THE ISLAM IS COMPLETED .BUT AFTER THIS HE SAID THAT THE MUSLIMS IS
Allah had promised to those among you who believe and do good works that He will surely make them Successors in the earth, as He made Successors from among those who were before them; and that He will surely establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them; and that He will surely give them in exchange security and peace after their fear: They will worship Me, and they will not associate anything with Me. Then who so is ungrateful after that, they will be the rebellious.(Al-Nur 56)
So that's the reason prophet Isa will return to turn away the Christians and to defeat djal, to show Islam was the right religion. If you do not believe in this, it's simple, you are not a Muslim. It sais this about Jesus PBUH in the Quran no less than 70 times that he will return, so inshallah ur hearts are opened to the truth. Asalmwalaikam. P.S sorry about the spelling mistakes was done through my phone x
So as a whole all the prophets when they died had a group of follower whether it be small or large. But prophet Isa PBUH was the only prophet that the people of his tome claimed he had divinity. Even prophet Isa didn't say this he tried to teach his people, that Islam was the try religion and to believe in one god "Father" on them days. As soon as he said father the Christians took it literally! And started to say that he was the son of god!
So prophet Isa PBUH will be a follower of the last and seal of the prophets Muhammed SAW. You may be asking, why didn't Muhammed SAW get raised up he's the most important messanger? First of all, all the prophets in Islam are equal and none above the other, they all fought in the name of Islam, but prophet Muhammed SAW is TALKED about the most because he was the last of the prophets and the Quran was revealed to him.
Some of you may be thinking but that means Prophet Jesus PBUH is the last and final messanger. No, when prophet Isa PBUH comes Down he will not bring a new message, and he will not be a prophet, But he WILL be and follower of prophet muhammed SAW.
@Miyyan1@Miyyan1 correct. He wont come with a new message, and he will not teach anything new. He will come as a follower of prophet muhammed SAW and his teachings. The reason Jesus (PBUH) will come back is because he was the only prophet (out of the thousands) that his people of his time claimed he said he had divinity. Even in the bible it dosent say anywhere that jesus said "I am god, worship me" or "I am god" or "I am the son of god" if you can find anywhere in the bible where it says that
@Miyyan1 if you can find it anywhere I will accept christianity! he will come to turn away the christians and to defeat the dajjal ( one eyed creature, false messiah). Comming to your second term "Ummati" yes Prophet Isa ( Jesus PBUH) will come back as part of the ummati, and will follow the prophet Muhammed SAW teachings like we are doing right now. Ahmediyya believe that Isa (Jesus PBUH) died in india, Kashmir at the age of 120. Also they believe that prophet Muhammed SAW said to his daughter
@Miyyan1 aicha on his deathbed that prophet jesus pbuh died at the age of 120, so I should die at the age around 60. Now another point to show is that ahmediyya believe that there can be prophets after Muhhamed SAW but will will less ranked as him (less status) because they say it dosent say in the qu'ran that he is the last prophet but the "seal" of the prophets. Now brother if I asked you, if I seal a document can anything be added to it? can anything come after that document if its been
@Miyyan1 sealed? ofcourse not. whoever tries and thinks differently needs to go and see a psychiatrist. So logicially if any prophet after prophet muhammed SAW were to come (which ahmediyya's believe that mirza ghulam was a reformer, the mehdi, and prophet) he should die at the age of 30 years old. and the prophet after that at 15 years old. and after that 7 years old. If you look at it logically when the prophet said he would die at around 60 years old, its exactly half of 120!
@Miyyan1 so that means that prophet Adam peace be upon him will be thousands and thousands of years old and still will not be dead! So open your hearts to the right way of islam, that Allah is one, to believe in the holy quran and "authentic" hadith, and that prophet muhhamed SAW in the last of the prophets. Allah knows best. Asalamwalaikam x
I know Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's claim of a 'Mahdi, 'Masiah' and 'a Prophet' all in one is false!
As I do believe according to the Quran that like any other mortal human, Jesus also died. I would like to ask the question of Jesus in his Second Advent from the believers of second coming or return of Jesus.
Will Jesus would be down graded from a Prophet to an Ummati of Prophet Muhammad like me and you?
@Miyyan1 salaams brother, first of all i'm trying to spread the word of truth, once I have my part is done, then its up to you what you believe. Im not aruging just simply stating the facts. In the Qu'ran it sais that prophet Muhammed SAW is the seal of the prophets (last) of the prophets. So if jesus peace be up him returns will he come back as a prophet? ofcourse not, because the qu'ran has no contradictions in it. If it sais that prophet muhammed SAW is the last of the prophets then he is.
@Miyyan1 No prophet can come after him, Its simple logic brother. It sais many times in the hadith that prophet Muhammed SAW is the last of the prophets, there is also no less that 70 places that Jesus peace be upon him will return. But not as a prophet, but as a follower of prophet Muhammed SAW. The word "Downgraded" is not the right term to put it. But all the prophets came and spread the word to thier people of that time. But prophet Muhammed SAW is the last prophet, simply because
@Miyyan1 the holy quran was revealed to him, the last revelation. Allah sais in the qu'ran that he has set the religion islam for the whole of mankind. So there is no need for a new message or prophet after the religion has been competed. Thats the reason prophet jesus peace be upon him will not come back as a prophet but as a follower of prophet muhammed SAW. hope this helps brother, adam x
You said "So there is no need for a new message or prophet after the religion has been competed." You are funny, after admitting this you still think that there is a need for any one to come. Why there is a need for anybody to come?
What Jesus is going to do for you which Muhammad and Quran couldn't do?
It looks like it that your understanding is that since his coming in the Ahadith then he will come . The question is WHY?
@Miyyan1 yes brother and i can happily answer that question. Out of the thousands of prophets, jesus was the only prophet who his people claimed that he had divinity. No other prophet was accused of such thing. As whole each prophet from Prophet Adam (Peace Be Upon Him) to the last and seal of the prophets Muhammed SAW (peace be upon him) gained followers when they spread the word of islam. But the difference with jesus is that most of the people of his time accused him of being the son of god
@Miyyan1 which in the bible it sais no where that jesus sais "I am god worship me" or "I am god" or "I am the son of god". So the reason prophet jesus peace be upon him will come back is to turn away the christians and tell them to get away from him and he has nothing to say to them, and to defeat the false messiah, the dajjal. Brother you should search DrZakir Naik will jesus return in youtube. He will give you the answer if I havnt already, asalamwalaikam x
So you are saying that the Jesus in his first life actively spread the real Christianity (not the distorted one like some followers calling him God’s Son) and in his second advent will spread Islam?
This is a hell of a job for a single Prophet. And may be God also understand the hard work involve, hence given Jesus two lives to accomplish this daunting task! I see now I understand why he has to come twice!
Ahmediyya also believe that Mirza ghulam was the second comming of Jesus Christ PBUH. Am I right? In the holy Quran chapter 4 verse number 159 it sais that Allah has raised up Jesus PBUH alive. It also sais in the holy Quran that Jesus PBUH will be sent down again to turn away the christians and to defeat the djall (one eyes monster).
Ahmediyya also believe that Mirza ghulam was the second comming of Jesus Christ PBUH. Am I right? In the holy Quran chapter 4 verse number 159 it sais that Allah has raised up Jesus PBUH alive. It also sais in the holy Quran that Jesus PBUH will be sent down again to turn away the christians and to defeat the djall (one eyes monster).
Some people might disagree and say that ahmediyya believe that mirza ghulam was not a messanger, he was a reformer. In Islam if you need to keep strong and to forget about you worries in your life, the beat thing you can do is run to the quran as if it's your best friend. You should pray and ask for help from Allah. It's haram to claim you are a prophet or messiah when Allah sent the last revelation the Quran down to guide people onto the right path, this is the purpose of free will.
In chapter 33 verse number 40 it sais that muhammed SAW is not the father of any of you men, but he is the seal (last) of the prophets. What a beautiful verse from the holy Quran, whoever believes in a messanger, or messiah, or any other person who claims to be a messanger of Islam, is not a Muslim.
What was prophet muhammed SAW? Was he a Sunni?Shia?wahabi? No! He was a Muslim, what about prophet Isa (jesus)PBUH was he a Sunni?Shia? No! He was a Muslim. This the right sector which will go to paradise, who believe in one god Allah, follow the Holy Quran and authentic Hadiths, and believe that muhammed SAW is the LAST and SEAL of the prophets.
Prophet muhammed SAW said that only one sect of 73 will go to paradise. If somebody came up to you and asked what type of Muslim you are what would be your response? Sunni?Shia?wahabi? The best and purest answer you can give is you are a Muslim! In the Quran it specifically sais that do not devide yourselves in Islam because you will wil deviding the ummah.
This is not the belief of Ahmadiyya. Ahmadis believe all Muslims are Muslims. Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) ne farmaya yahudi 71 friqon men taqsim huwe the meri ummat 72 firqon men taqsim hoo gi. Un men se sirf 1 janti hoo ga. Ab ummat ka kam hai kah wo dhunde kah janti kom hai. Har koi yahi dawa karta hai kah wo janti hai.
This question is not aroused by any Ahmady because we Ahmadi don't say kafir to any of the islamic sect . If it was Ahmadi he must have mentioned his name.
Jamat Ahmadiyya kisi bi firqey ko kafir qrar nahin deti sab ko ghir ahmadi muslman smajhti hai. Hazrat mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani Sahib ney Khud kaha tha ke hamen kisi ko bhi kafir kehney ka koi haq nahin aur yahi ham sab ahmadion ka bi tareeqe amal hai
@nailanayyar This is not the belief of Ahmadiyya. Ahmadis believe all Muslims are Muslims. Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) ne farmaya yahudi 71 friqon men taqsim huwe the meri ummat 72 firqon men taqsim hoo gi. Un men se sirf 1 janti hoo ga. Ab ummat ka kam hai kah wo dhunde kah janti kom hai. Har koi yahi dawa karta hai kah wo janti hai.
javed ghamidi is knowledgeable because his opinions and analysis is primarily based on the Quran, which we know is the criteria to judge anything (25:1). Most of the mullahs and madrasaas dont follow the quran and believe in heresay of hadith books which are full of corruption and contradictory stories falsely attributed to the prophet.
@kashif642 Hazur akram (PBUH) ney farma diya tha ke is dunya mei bi sachey ki pehchan ki aik nishani hai aur woh yeh farmaya tha aap ney k . Us sachi jamaat ya firqey ki nishani yeh hai ke un ke sath wohi salook ho ga jo muj sey aur merey sahaba sey hota hai. Nishani mein ney bata di hai ab tum khud hi dhondo ke jaisey sahaba ko azan sey kalima parheney aur quran parheney sey mana kia jata tha aaj kal kis ke sath yeh salook ho raha hai.
ager sab itnay acklmand hai to 72 firko mai keyou hai her kohee sahee ka sath thay ta hai per apnay firko kay through. agher kohee sach pana cahta hai wo us key koudh talash karay na kay molwe kay through is 21 century kay dor mai
gamidi sahab ub wo dor nhi raha k logon ko bewakoof banaya jae.asal sawal ka jawab to diya hi nahin apne.ap samne aaker kiun nhi muqabla karte ahmadiyon ka.koi bhi molvi nhi ker sakta .
sab Firqoo ny khud Ahmadies ko Kafir Declare kiya hy. Ahmadi agar Rasul ko mantay hn to un par lazam hy ky wo dosray firqay kay ulemaa ko Nari samjhen. Otherwise wo khud Nari hoon gay.
and who the hell these poeple r to declare kafir ? d corrrupt politicans who r mullah? and do u think they r presenting u the islam ? lanat aisae logon per,, and wt a caliber u got who is abiding behind these people,,, jo kam khuda ka hai woh khuda kai hath mein hi rehnae dain, warna wohi hota hai jo ajj app k sath ho raha hai,yani khudai lanat app per puri taqat sae barus rahi hai.lekin dheet log ho tum sarae khuda ka azab tum per chul raha hai or tum log samujh nai rae
hadees tu app nae khud hi puri ker di hai puri azeem us shan taqat sae
nabi pak SAW said: 72 firqae hon gae 73wan naji yani janti ho ga and 72 k 72 us 73 ween k khilaf hon gae,,, tu janab kafir qarar denae ki app ki decleration kia yeh sabut nahi ker rahi k 72 kai 72 mutafiq yani dozukhi or kiss baat per mutafiq kai yani yeh 73waan kafir hai.... yani all 72 r khilaf ... tu azeem shan hadees tu khuda nae app k gundae hathon sae he puri kerwa de hai already,
Obviously!!! According to hadith all 72 sects are going to hell and only one sect is going to heaven so by this decision you have your self proven which sect is correct.
Read here;
How 72 sects of Islam unanimously agreed to self-destruct
remember maulana qasim sb was founder of deo bundi movement and imam abdul wahab sb was founder of wahabi movement & i think when ghamidi even accept that sofis were in view of comings prophets den i think its totaly a shame on u & no one can accept u , offcourse u r misinterpretor itself. ghamdi also told in his video which i mentioned dat ahamdion nae is sae ziada kia bat ki hai jo sofia nae kahi thi
yeh jawab hota hai aik ahamdhy bachae ka.. offcourse u r feeling ur face redish now..tata
so after having all these slaps rirght at the center of ur face now u plz dont make me laughhhh that they all never mean that prophets can come haha. do visit ur own tasavuv foundation & see the original books of them, i ve jst gave u 4 or 5 references and dere r many more. similarly there r alot of sofias who beleived in jesus death ,, and dunt plz dare to say now that they never mean that lolz. MGA told dese thing 100 yrs bck at that time one out of u no one beleived dat but he let us beleive.
Ibn Arabi also followed the same line of reasoning in his futoohat. [24] He has even argued that possibility of a subordinate prophet is open according to the verse 33:40. He has stated:
That prophethood which ended with the advent of the Prophet, is only law-bearing prophethood and not the status of prophethood. Thus now there will be no law that cancels the law of the Prophet or that adds to its commandments. (Fatoohaat al-Makkiyyah, Vol. 2, p. 3)
He has been raised to the station of Khatam by the grace of God. There can never be his like before him or after. When a master excels all others in his art, dont you use the word khatam to convey the idea that he has excelled all others in his domain?
Qasim Nanotvi tstates the Messenger of Allah, S.A.W being Khatam is supposed to have appeared after al d other prophets. But men of understanding and the wise know it very well that being the first or the last, chronologically, does not carry any weight. How could, therefore, the words of the Holy Qur'an 'But he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of Prophets (33.40) mean to glorify him? But I know very wel that none from among the Muslims would be prepared to agree with the common men.
and what i m telling u right now is even more bigger slap on the face of u
Maulana Qasim Nanotwi further writes,
In short, if the meaning of the word Finality is accepted as explained, then his Finality of Prophethood will not be exclusively attached to the past Prophet. But even if for instance another Prophet appeared during the era of the Prophet then too, him being the Final Prophet remains intact as normal.[
and see how ur ghamidi thrash the claim of people like u when he openly admits dat al sufia were in the view of comings of propets, so now its enough for u to shut ur mouth and to shut ur falsihood like mullahs..
dnt talk crap or rubbish,,,, well we quote ibn e arabi and he dont beleive on comings of prophet? ? ? first apni study complete kia kerein then talk to us, is laie we use to say u ,, u poeple are always over ambitious,,, and ok if ibn e arabi never mean dat den imam raghib was also nt mean that and wt bout imam wahab? and wt about abul qasim nanotowi? what about imam shafi ?? and many more,,,, o plz dont talk rubbsih when u r nt clea ron it itself,
hahaha actually i was in search of ahmedi replies to ak shaikh some months before .... i found some ... 10 mints video 4 mints of khaksaar introduction 2 mints of Tilawat 2 mints of end ... jst 2 mints of ur reply ... beleive me ...
this is what the problems with undertsanding of his sayings. we r not such a crap to accept that person who give nauz buillah galian to any one or says i m suprior to any one nauzbillah,,, yahan per he app k samujhna eor humarae samjhnaae mein faruq hai,,, you peopl just took it what he writes but what he mean to say is what mullah wil never told you, simple problem
one thing u also keep in ur mind that ghamidi sahib said in one tv pgm about ahamdies on a word of khatum, " jo zulum app ahmadion per 150 saal sae ker rahae hain unhon nae us sae ziada kia baat kahi hai word khattum kai upper jo baat sarae sufia or bazurgon nae ki hai " now he clearly admits that as sufia ( as mentioned below by me) took d meaning of kattum. exacly ahamdies took the same & there is not any harm in dat,this is the brave statement which typical mulah wil evr hide it from u guys.
harmara main ikhtilaaf qadiyaniyon se death of Esa AS nai he per Nabuwat ka Dawa he .... and No mullla , no scholar , says that this belief is right ... you should put your ahmedies mulla out and made them to debate wid sunni mulla if they are right .... why you people always hide ourself ... ??
as far as AK SHEIKH SHAIB IS CONCERN, beleive me he is talking total crap and lieeeeeeeee, we who r living inside this jamat knws he is lieing coz we can clearly see, it looks that he is on mission to defeat in any cost the ahamdies hahahha like evry 2 days aftr he use to come wid new crap video, now this is what i m talking the approach between ghamidi sahib and DAT AK sheikh sahib, the hell difference even both are in difference view point, but one is totally negative and crap & othr is not
Mr Ghamidi always says that ahmedi have committed mistake by acepting false belief of mirza ghulam ahmed of qadian ... but we should teach them , argue them and made them into main stream islam ....
AK Shaikh is doing nothing but just reading your Khalifa book .... why dont you give him reply if you thinking he is spreading lies about ahmedies .... you people dont read your own mirza written books if u read then why r u claiming that he is spreading falsehood .... thats all is what he wrote in his books ...
He has been raised to the station of Khatam by the grace of God. There can never be his like before him or after. When a master excels all others in his art, dont you use the word khatam to convey the idea that he has excelled all others in his domain?
so dere r many which mulah never told u guys but ghamidi atleast admits, dis adds a gr8 respect for him. atleats he says what is written and nevr talk munafikly. ghamidi lives long life
Ibn Arabi followed writings in his book futoohat. He has argued that possibility of a subordinate prophet is open according to the verse 33:40.
That prophethood which ended with the advent of the Prophet, is only law-bearing prophethood and not the status of prophethood. Thus now there will be no law that cancels the law of the Prophet or that adds to its commandments. (Fatoohaat al-Makkiyyah, Vol. 2, p. 3)
mulims main Esa AS ki death k baray main 2 mukhtalif concept hen ... one he is disappear and second he is dead .. but the difference b/w ahmediya and other muslims sect is ahmediya beleive he is dead is somewhere india and kashmir .first .. and the main confict b/w other sect and ahmedi is they beleive that there is no prophet after Muhammad SAWW but ahmedi beleive Mirza was the masiah/mahdi/ or zahoor of Prophet ...
@ 3:09 and 5:54 he clearly said jo mukaf beyan kia hai us sae huth ker ager mein isi baat ko yahi loon tu.. which means he clearly said k i m nt sure of their point of view.. lekin he also admire kai ager mein in questions ko aisae he loon jesae pocha gia tu tub answer waqai he yahi bunta hai jesa ghamidi sahib nae bayan furmaya hai, lekin we all ahamdies knws k jammat kai context ko hamesha ghalut beyan kia jata hai,, but ghamidi sahi no doubt pakistan needs people like u out of these mullahs
You should see video Ghamidi stance on Ahmediya/Qadiyani ... plz dont be narrow minded if something going in ur favor thats right and something against you is wrong...
if that is the then plz view ghamidi telling the meaning of the word khattum in view of all imams and bazurgs sofia of islam. it is the best answer for you
First what is this "if that is the then" and I also consider Mr Ghamidi more sophisticated scholar in pakistan but my point was that Ghamidi also against belive of ahmadi but he also againt the persecution of them and killing them .... we can resolve this issue on table not in field of war ... and you must also see AK shaikh videos on youtube ...
wel thats what i m saying ,, we respect ghamidi despite of even his views against ahamdies in difference of point of view. coz of the simple reason his horizon is muchhhhhhh broader and open and in no way can be compared as typical mullahs are. and dear brother despite of his views about ahamdies which even sometimes kuch shcolars dur ker jawab day daitae hain about ahamdies lekin phir bhi i do respect him even if he is in difference of opinion
second if u can see he is not against but he is in difference of opinion with ahamdies, this is what makes him gr8 scholar,,,, warna if u r talking about mullahs they are against not in diffeence of opinion,,, this is what i m talking bout the approach which evry muslim scholar should ve but unfortunately not...
now if u can study quran as ghamidi sahib clearly said jesus is died in view of quran and u cnt prove it from quran even,,, u must see it,,, sooooo thisis what ahamdies strongly beleive in 150 yrs back,, this is what the founder of ahmadiyya movement told many yrs back but he is no doubt a brave person who admitts the simple fact that is clearly proved from quran whhich typical mullah hides from u people that jesus has been died. we can even prove it clearly from quran.
now if he can explain us the meaning of khattum and jesus death clearly then this simply means that any gr8 scholar who cn read quran cn evluate that jesus is died or not ,, and if he cn explain that almost all gr8 and big sufia took the meaning of khattum as what ahamedies are taking then what is the point of mullah to say kafir to us ?? are ibn e arabi, molana roomi,,, imam shafi,, imam hanfi are kafirs too?
baat chothi si yahi hai , kai yeh sarae mantae hain kai aik firqa janti ho ga, aub haqeeqat mein tamam firqae apnae app ko individually janti kehtuhae hain means kai dosrae tamam in other sense dozukhi ho jatae hain,lekin ghamidi sahib nae yeh sahi kaha k is per concentrate kerna ya izhar kerna sahi nai humain or bhi ohat sari cheezon ko daikhna chahae, my request to all ahamdhy brothers here kai ghamdi sahib is respected person or in ki batein kamuz kum mullahon jesi nai, we should respect him
WEl Alhamdollilah i m an ahmadhy ,,, and i do respect more then any other person offcourse not mullah but ghamidi sahib. he is without doubt a nobel and knwoledgable person. lekin zarrori nahi in ki tamam batein theek hon,, or yeh bhi zarrori nahi in ki tamama batein ghalut hon,, i do agree with 90 % sayins of ghamidi sahib,, but not this time. first questions he sarae negativ sense mein ayan kiae gayae which is offcourse was nt the context of jammat. see my next comment.
I am surprised to listen that Khilafat is not Islamic term. Where you will put Khilafat e Rashida. He give example of Masih but ignored Prophet Muhammad (saw). Moreover, how can he ignore an agreed upon Hadith 'Ulamo hum'? Ahmadis are not saying anything other than Quran and Hadith.
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awanhaque 5 months ago
u know nothing about jammat Ahmadiyya. so you better shut ur mouth!!!!! Allah Tallah wahid o lasharik hai. koi b khud ko uska shareek nahe thera sakta nauzubillah.. aur agar koi insan aisa krta hai tu wo nist o nabut hjata hai. jahil tu tum loog hu. jin ki ankhon per parda parha hua hai.
kinoscorpio 5 months ago
I am real Mahdi alaisalaam. see these vdos
Dekho ye vdos o laffazio aur mushriko ahmadies.
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be Allah. Ahmadi R mushrik-1/2
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be Allah. Ahmadi R mushrik-2/2
2ndJesusChrist 6 months ago
@faziljaved Contd.: You may believe otherwise, that the Khalifa of Islam Ahmadiyyat is not the Khalifa for you or other Muslims. Nonetheless, that is what the belief of Ahmadi Muslims is, so let it be known and understood that there is no objection that can be made on Ahmadiyyah Muslim Jama'at on having Khilaafat. Jazaakallah!
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
Ghamidi sahib why are you giving fatwas for monetary gains pls leave the dirty group and follow Quran and sahih hadeeth you know where you are wrong
g1heart 7 months ago
Sir u r great
cvetochik123 8 months ago
Dajjal.
DannyTheSeeker 9 months ago
Sir Ghamidi you are Great and peacefu man
ThePakChina 1 year ago
The ijmâ of the Ummah proves that ahmadis are Kuffar! No Prophet (Prophet and Messenger) after Muhamamd: Period!
easyonetwothree 1 year ago
72 sects wali bat jammat ahmadiayya ka dawa nahi balke yeh Hazrat Muhammad saw ki ik hadith hai
idauud 1 year ago
@idauud
un ka dawa hai Kah woh log right path per hai.
jameelmdx 7 months ago
Question is based on a lie.
jiayanoo 1 year ago
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sunnya87 1 year ago
ahmadis are fitna of the modern age thier dajjal is sitting in uk and claimed to be the calipha bastered idiot
sajiddawar000 1 year ago
i link hai Book Anwar u aloom ka app es ka page 151 khudh hi parh kar dekh len wahan kia likha hai
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umar1rana 1 year ago
محی الدین ابن عربیؒ فرماتے ہیں: ۔ کہ امام مہدی علیہ السلام کے ظہور پر سوائے علماء کے اُن کا کوئی کھلا کھلا دشمن نہیں ہو گا۔ یعنی علماء ہی خصوصیت سے مخالفت کریں گے۔ (فتوحات مکیہ، جلد 3 ،صفحہ 336 )
رسول کریم ﷺ نے فرمایا : جو کوئی بھی امام (مہدی پر ایمان لانے) کے بغیر مر گیا تو وہ جاہلیت کی موت مرا۔
( مسند احمد بن حنبل، جلد 4 زیر عنوان حدیث معاویہ بن ابی سفیان ، صفحہ 96 )
daniaal96 1 year ago
@daniaal96 اصلی امام مہدی کے بارے میں کہا گیا ہے۔ مرزا نقلی امام مھدی تھا۔ اسے تو اللہ کے گھر جانے کی بھی اجازت نہیں ملی اللہ کی طرف سے۔ کیسی لعنت پڑی مرزا پر!!!!!
sheddy73 1 year ago
Question was based on jhoot. It was a hadith that latter days ulema will be worst creature. This was said by holy prophe( saw) and u said ahmadi jamat ka dawa hay.
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Continued: Secondly:
The Hadith of the Holy Prophet(s) about the turn of events after his demise has these words at the end: Thumma Takoonu khilaafatun 'alaa minhaajinnubuwwa!
Then shall Khilaafat be established on the footsteps of prophethood!!!
So, upon the arrival of a prophet (Masih aka Imam mahdi) the khilaafat was to be established.
Without khilafat Muslims are like a body with no head!
Khilafat is for believers not to run states... get your facts straight!
Ruhamituh 1 year ago
lol... now about Khilafat... I am surprised Javed Ghamidi Sahib said that Khilafat has no concept in Islam. Then would somebody mind telling me what this verse is doing in the Holy Quran? : (24:56) Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good works that He will surely make them Successors in the earth, as He made Successors from among those who were before them;
Here, the word believers is used for people in whom the Khilafat would be established.
SEcondly: to be continued
Ruhamituh 1 year ago
@Ruhamituh you did not listen to him properly. he did not say khilafat in islam. he said there is no concept of khilafat in a jamait in islam. that means a jamait or a group of people cant have khalifa. khilafat is for all the muslims. do you understand? and i also ask you to become muslim. mirza is a false prophet
faziljaved 7 months ago
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Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@faziljaved Let me make it easier, brother, there is no concept of a seperate "Jama'at" in Islam. The Holy Prophet(s) has spoken very strictly AGAINST Sectarianism. So obviously there is no concept of a seperate Khalifa for a seperate sect or jam'aat in Islam.
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@faziljaved Continued:
Nonetheless Sad knews, but we ended up dividing into countless different sects... Our sects had more different sects. How do you unite the Muslims again? Either you can go back 1400 years or either God raises an Ummati (Subordinate) Prophet (OR Jesus/Mahdi as your belief may be) to reform & Unite the people of the Holy Prophet(s). A figure that raises his voice and calls people to a new beginning! If that happens, there will be opposition, as says Quran.
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@faziljaved Continued:
To have Order, Unity, and Distinction you must have a title distinguishing the followers of an Ummati Prophet/Imam Mahdi (Or Jesus as may be your belief), but this won't mean it will be a sect, but it will be an addition, an "ijmaa'" or "jama'at" of all other sects and all other Muslims and in fact all of Mankind as Islam is an addition or "ijmaa" of all other religions. So the Khalifa after that Prophet will never be the Khalifa of a restricted people, but for EveryOne!
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@faziljaved Contd.: So just like that, the Khalifa of Islam Ahmadiyya is not only for a certain Jama'at, He is a Khalifa for EveryOne! Those who follow him are called Ahmadi Muslims. So as you pointed out, that I may have been mistaken in understanding Mr.Ghamdi, and that he never objected that there is no concept of Khilafat in Islam but he said there is none in a Jama'at... That means there is a concept of Khialafat in Islam? If yes, the khalifa of Islam Ahmadiyyat is the Khalifa of Islam
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@Ruhamituh yeah khalifa of islam. you are not even 1% of muslim population of the world and yet have a khalifa of islam which is not even considered muslim by all the 99% of muslims in the world. khalifas come when there is consensus between all the muslims of the world not just within 0.5%. and you are missguided people believe him to be a khalifa. khalifas establish themselves among the muslims first. they are not considered non muslims. so mirza is a kafir. no khalifa ever called kafir
faziljaved 7 months ago
@faziljaved You don't get it do you? YOU MUSLIMS KILLED YOUR LAST 2 KHALIFAS! NAMELY HIS LEGACY HADHRAT UTHMAAN(RA) AND HADHRAT ALI(RA)!!! WHAT MAKES YOU EVEN THINK AND MAKE THAT STATEMENT FAZIL?
I MEAN HAVE YOU NO DECENCY? WITH WHAT AUDACITY DO YOU MAKE THAT STATEMENT? YOU MUSLIMS PROVED THE HADITH OF THE HOLY PROPHET(S) THAT DECLARED YOU AND THE JEWS AS A PAIR OF SHOES, ONE AND ALIKE! BECAUSE THEY KILLED THEIR PROPHETS! AND YOU KILLED YOUR KHALIFAS!
IF YOU ASK ME, YOU DON'T DESERVE KHILAFAT
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@faziljaved NONETHELESS, GOD OUR ALLAH THE EVER MERCIFUL DECIDED TO BLESS US ONCE AGAIN WITH KHILAAFAT AFTER 1300 YEARS!
NOW, FOR A 1000 YEARS AND MORE YOU HAD NO KHALIFA, KNOW WHY? BECAUSE YOU, NO NOT YOU, WE, THIS INCLUDES ME AS WELL BROTHER, WEEEE DID NOT DESERVE KHILAFAT
BUT GOD BLESSED US! HE BLESSED US NONETHELESS!
NOW YOUR CRITICISM IS THAT WHY DOES THE KHALIFA NOT HAVE THE APPROVAL, REALLY?, "APPROVAL" (OH MY MERCIFUL GOD!!!) !!!!!!!!!
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@faziljaved YOU SAY THAT THE KHALIFA DOES NOT HAVE THE "APPROVAL" OF THE MAJORITY MUSLIMS?????
WHO ARE AND WHAT SIGNIFICANCE DO MAJORITY OF THE MUSLIMS HOLD BEFORE THE DECISION OF GOD OF RAISING A KHALIFA
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@faziljaved YOU SAY AHMADIYYA MUSLIM KHALIFA SHOULD HAVE STARTED IN THE MAJORITY, INSTEAD HE STARTED IN A MINORITY. BRO! THERE WAS NO MINORITY, WE AHMADI MUSLIMS AS A COMMUNITY MATTER ZERO, ZILCH, NOTHING BEFORE THE IMPORTANCE OF THE KHALIFATUL MASIHU RASULULLAH (THAT IS, THE KHALIFA(ABA) OF THE MESSIAH(AS) OF THE HOLY PROPHET OF GOD(S)
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@faziljaved
SO HE BEGAN HIS MISSION AS COMMANDED BY GOD, WHERE HE STARTED? HE STARTED WITH THOSE WHO BELEIVED IN HIM, JUST LIKE HADHRAT MIRZA GHULAM AHMAD(AS) STARTED WITH ONLY THOSE WHO BELIEVED IN HIM.. AND THAT IS EXACTLY THE SAME WAY THE HOLY PROPHET(S) OF ISLAM BEGAN ONLY WITH THOSE WHO BELIEVED IN HIM. THAT IS IN FACT EXACTLY THE SAME WAY ALL THE PROPHETS OF GOD HAVE BEGUN THEIR MISSIONS, ALONE AND ONLY WITH THOSE WHO BELEIVED IN HIM.
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@faziljaved THE MAJORITIES HAVE ALWAYS REJECTED THE PROPHETS AND MEN OF GOD FAZIL! IT IS ONLY TIME AND GRACE OF GOD THAT HAS TURNED THOSE MINORITIES INTO MAJORITIES!
HAVE SOME HUMILITY MAN, YOUR SALVATION RESIDES ON HOW WISELY OR HOW STUPIDLY YOU TRY TO UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE.
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@faziljaved THE MAJORITIES HAVE ALWAYS REJECTED THE PROPHETS AND MEN OF GOD FAZIL! IT IS ONLY TIME AND GRACE OF GOD THAT HAS TURNED THOSE MINORITIES INTO MAJORITIES!
HAVE SOME HUMILITY MAN, YOUR SALVATION RESIDES ON HOW WISELY OR HOW STUPIDLY YOU TRY TO UNDERSTAND THIS ISSUE.
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@faziljaved AND JUST SO THAT YOU DON'T GET THE IDEA THAT I AM SAYING THE AHMADI MUSLIMS ARE NATURALLY BORN BETTER MUSLIMS THAN THE REST OF ALL THE MUSLIMS
I WILL SAY THIS THAT AHMADI MUSLIMS TOO WERE JUST "MUSLIMS" BEFORE THE ADVENT OF THE PROMISED MESSIAH, THEY TOO WERE AMONG THOSE WHO WERE LIVING IN THE DARK AGES WHERE THE KHILAAFAT OF GOD DID NOT EXIST, THEY TOO WERE AMONG THOSE OTHER MUSLIMS WHO WERE BANNED FROM THE BLESSINGS OF KHILAFAT!
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@faziljaved AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, THE KHALIFA OF AHMADIYYA MUSLIM JAMA'AT IS NOT CALLED A KAFIR, YOU CALL HIM A KAFIR! THE MUSLIMS CALL HIM A KAFIR! FOR GOD HE IS A MUSLIM!
MAJORITIES ALWAYS REJECT THOSE FROM GOD, AND SO TODAY MUSLIMS HAVE DONE SO AS WELL!
YOU ARE CLOSING THE DOOR OF MERCY UPON YOURSELF! YOU ARE INVITING THE WRATH OF ALLAH YOURSELF AS A MUSLIM NATION.
"HEARKEN TO THE CALL OF HEAVENS, THE MESSIAH HAS COME, THE MESSIAH HAS COME" - words of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as)
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@faziljaved LOL SORRY ONE LAST THING I JUST HAVE TO SAY!!!
You mean to say Fazil, Javed, that you as a Muslim Nation, want that AFTER, (AFTER), that God has decided to forgive our transgressions AS A NATION OF MUSLIMS and has decided to Bless Us with Khilaafat and to Raise a Person among us of such STATUS OF SPIRITUALITY AS IS HELD BY A REFORMER AND KHALIFA, SO AFTER ALL THAT GREAT FAVOR OF GOD UPON US!
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@faziljaved YOU MEAN TO SAY THAT AFTER THAT, YOU EXPECT THAT THE PERSON FROM GOD (OF THAT STATUS) GOES AROUND KNOCKING THE DOORS OF MAJORITY MUSLIMS TO BE APPROVED AS KHALIFA? AND TO ASK YOU ALL IF HE IS MUSLIM?
ASTAGHFIRULLAH!
MUSLIMS AS A NATION HAVE INCREASED ONLY IN TAKABBBUR, YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO DECLARE A PERSON AS KAFIR OTHER THAN TO THINK SO FOR YOUR OWN SOUL, DECLARING A PROPHET AND KHALIFA AS KAAFIR IS BUT LIGHT YEARS BEYOND YOUR JURISDICTION, YOU HAVE TO LEARN THAT!
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@faziljaved I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE OR HOW PIOUS YOU ARE, BUT HAVE SOME MORE FEAR OF GOD THIS RAMADAAN, IT WILL DO YOU GOOD.
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@Ruhamituh i will dont worry and i will fast for the whole month and i will pray for the muslim world and i will curse all the false prophets and ask god to send them to hell. especially gulam mirza and i will ask god to show qadianese the true path and wisdom to get out of the darkness they are in
faziljaved 7 months ago
@faziljaved Thank you at least you are praying and are not deceived into thinking that you should "kill" the Ahmadi Muslims like many misguided Muslims think is a good deed to do.
Before you conclude for your personal beliefs that Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) was a False Prophet, I will remind you that he claimed to talk to God. By the way, do you know what the Holy Quran says about what God does to people who say that God has spoken to them and God has not spoken to them?
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@Ruhamituh listen you need to look at it realistically. every true prophet sent by God struggled in his life but in the end he is the conquerer. he is successfull in his mission. no one could stop him. he becomes the super power of his time. the world starts to follow him. and all that happens in his life time. its only the false prophets who succeed to convince a small number of people there are a lot of fraud pir and faqeer type of people and i see a lot of people following them open your eyes
faziljaved 7 months ago
@faziljaved In a verse of the Holy Quran God says that if someone ever says that God said something to him and in reality God did not, then God would make that person perish by cutting his jugular vein(This is understood to be a period of 23 years). If Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) was a false prophet, his mission could not have lasted this long, it should have been thrown out of existence 120 years ago.
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@faziljaved This kind of Success should not be allowed to Ahmadi Muslims if their founder fraudulently said that God said things to him, Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) has written so many things as pure one on one conversations or revalations from God: Search "29th World Religions Conference: CTV news clip" On Youtube, it is by user: World Religions Conference - Waterloo
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@Ruhamituh man you dont understand at all. nobody allowed prophets of God to preach. every prophet went through so much hardships that you mirzas circumstances are nothing against theirs. God forbid me for comparing them to mirza. but this is to make you understand. look at our prophet Mohamed (pbuh) the whole community around him wanted to kill him. they tried many times. he fought wars with them. look at all the other prophets and you will know. the prophet has to succeed if he is true prophet
faziljaved 7 months ago
@faziljaved which war did Jesus(as) fight brother? Or Abraham(as)? Or his sons? And you are right that all prophets and their followers were persecuted. Last May, 80 of our Ahmadi Muslim worshipers were killed in a bomb blast by extremists. Countless Ahmadi Muslims are targeted and killed just for being Ahmadi Muslims, this not what makes Ahmadi Muslims like the Sahaba of Holy Prophet(s), it is our action in response to all of the atrocities put upon against us: we're patient.
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@Ruhamituh Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) specifically said God said such and such things to him, he made claims of revelation, name some people for me that you know are around and they made claims of communion with God. come on name them! I want to see how much you know what you're talking. The verse of the Holy Quran holds the condition that if someone makes claim of false revelation, God will destroy them! Do you even know which verse I refer to? Tell me if not, I'll tell you, I promise!
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@faziljaved Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) too had many people who tried to kill him.... so there... it resembles
now come back to the point i don't know why you compared with true prophets I compared with false prophets that if H. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a liar (God Forbid) then he would have surely been erased out of existence as says the quran. Now you say that other liars are around? No they don't make tall claims that God has said such and such things to them they don't fall under the deal!
Ruhamituh 7 months ago
@Ruhamituh there are people want to kill me does it make me someone speciall. my whole point is the true prophets are always triumphed in the end. if he was true prophet the whole region would have been turned qadiani. there are fraud peers in our country and even they manage to find mureeds around them. and then those mureeds involve their children to join that peer. thats exactly happened to mirza. he was a failure if you compare him with true prophets. thats my point. its not your fault
faziljaved 6 months ago
@faziljaved Now you are mocking me, I never said that just the fact of someone wanting to kill somebody makes someone a prophet. You are also going back from your word; you're the one who said Prophets have had people who wanted to kill them. I understood that you are saying that is a contributing sign tot he big picture and that is why I told you there have been people who have tried killing the Promised Messiah(as). I mentioned that as a contributing factor and not an independent sign.
Ruhamituh 6 months ago
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Ruhamituh 7 months ago
Javed Ghamidi says at the end that the announcement of Kufr or Iman is only with Allah which He makes at the time of Prophets. This statement challenges his criticism about the 2nd Khalifa of Jama'at Ahmadiya(ra) that he made a statement against humbleness. Why? Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) claimed to be a prophet, and the 2nd Khalifa(ra) was his khalifa.... therefore, the time and place was right to make that statement about kufr of non Ahmadi Muslims. but that kufr is of Masih.
Ruhamituh 1 year ago
غا مدي may Allah give u Tawfeeq to stand for deen. U claime to be a scholor but u seems to be a stupid man by having such a soft response against kuffars.what's wrong if u could clearly said that Qadianies ملعو نين are kuffar.u should be punnished for this inshallah.if .
f241377 1 year ago
If u cannot u cannot iddentify the non Muslims,zendeeq,munafeqeen what's the point having these long lectures. U people who are in this business like ghamdi are the enemies of Islam.i am saying that and this is my EMAN that قا د يا ني are the same level kuffar as the شيعه are
f241377 1 year ago
qadainis are bunch of liers
khanpreston1 1 year ago
ghamidi saheb have courage to call qadianis as kafir as their last prophet is british bitch MIRZA ghulam ahmed qadiani alkazzab.Allah will catch you on the day of judgement when chance was given to you to reveal the truth you kept quite just to please kafir jamat qadiani please Allah to whome we all will go.
g1heart 1 year ago
@AamirLiaquat give up
donshery 1 year ago
w w w . ahmadiyat . imraan . com
ABlazingStar 1 year ago
ghamidi saheb you should speak hard words agains this munafiq jamaat of qadiani originated by mirza ghulam ahmed qadiani alkazzab (lanat Allah alaih) see what sahaba did with musalama alkazzab. Mirza ghulam a qadiani alkazzab is one of the 30 liars mohemmed (saws) mentioned us they will claim to be prophet from god but they are liars beware of them. Under the protection of his british masters this pig mirza ghulam a qadiani alkazzab survived or else we would have cut his balls even dogs will vom
g1heart 1 year ago
ghamidi saheb pls go through hadeeth you said regarding imam mahdi there are no hadeeth among sunni regarding imam mahdi. there are 50 sahih hadeeth about imam mahdi why are you supporting mirza ghulam ahmed qadiani alkazzabs (lanat allah alaih) movement if you dint read the hadeeth go through them.
g1heart 1 year ago
Ahmadi log kitne jahil hay. Ahmadiyo nai jo jawab iss ka diya hai, jisey MTA per dikhaya gaya. ahmadiyo ki jahalat ka saboot hai.
Ghamidi sahib nai tu ye nahien kaha ke khilafat ka tasawer islam mai nahien hai. balke unho nai tasleem kia hai ke Khilafat tab hogi jab islami riyasat qaim hogi. yehi waja hai, ke jab hazrat Ali ke baad hazrat Imam hassan khalifa baney, tu aap ne khud khilafat chor di. kunke aap ko Hakumat hasil nahien thee.
AamirLiaquat 1 year ago
dekho Immam mahdi ne jab ana hai tu Islam ki halat bigri hoi honi hai
aur muslims ko unhon ne sidha rasta dikhana hai jis tarha hadith men milta hai
aur ahmadi kehte hain wo tashreef le a chukehain
aur app ko chahe keh jo quran men likha hai us ko parhain keh kon khilafat ka haqdar hota hai
app 1 link dekh lo umid hai app ko samajh a jaye gi
alislam.org/urdu/library/2115/index.html
umar1rana 1 year ago
@AamirLiaquat ALLAH bless u ... and show you the light ... :)
m4memuji 7 months ago
@AamirLiaquat
Parrho tareekh Islam ki. hassan (ra) Khaleefa thay. oon k or muawiyya (ra) k dermian sulah hoi take musselmaanon main khonrezi no ho. oon ka 6 mah ka daur Khilafate Rashida main shaamil hai. oss k ba'd mulokiyyat hogai. issi liyya mauwiyya (ra) ko amir k laqab se pukaartey hain. mirzaiyyon apne sirdar ko Kh kehtey hain to oss se kiya hota hai. wo to ek musslemaan bhi naheen. mirzai musselmaan neheen hain. wo musselmaan naheen ho sakte jb tk mirza ko Nabi maaney.
saldoczaidi 1 month ago
can someone please tell me why Ghamidi Sahib did not answer the part "why our Aulima dont face their khalifa".?
umar0903 1 year ago
@umar0903 because when alim sana -ullah(may allah pls be with him) faced mirza ghulam ahmed qadiani alkazzab mirza lakazzzab died in his own shit as kafir. we want qadianis to become muslims and die as muslim
g1heart 1 year ago
The day Ahmedis were declared a minority was the darkest among all.
auh786 1 year ago
THEY BELIEVE THAT JESSUS pbuh WILL COME SO THEN THEY ARE KAFIR OR MUSLIMS ? AS HE SAID THAT THERE IS NO SPACE FOR ANY PROPHET TO COME BECAUSE THE ISLAM IS COMPLETED .BUT AFTER THIS HE SAID THAT THE MUSLIMS IS
rehan851 1 year ago
Allah had promised to those among you who believe and do good works that He will surely make them Successors in the earth, as He made Successors from among those who were before them; and that He will surely establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them; and that He will surely give them in exchange security and peace after their fear: They will worship Me, and they will not associate anything with Me. Then who so is ungrateful after that, they will be the rebellious.(Al-Nur 56)
ahmadi1987 1 year ago
So that's the reason prophet Isa will return to turn away the Christians and to defeat djal, to show Islam was the right religion. If you do not believe in this, it's simple, you are not a Muslim. It sais this about Jesus PBUH in the Quran no less than 70 times that he will return, so inshallah ur hearts are opened to the truth. Asalmwalaikam. P.S sorry about the spelling mistakes was done through my phone x
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
So as a whole all the prophets when they died had a group of follower whether it be small or large. But prophet Isa PBUH was the only prophet that the people of his tome claimed he had divinity. Even prophet Isa didn't say this he tried to teach his people, that Islam was the try religion and to believe in one god "Father" on them days. As soon as he said father the Christians took it literally! And started to say that he was the son of god!
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
So prophet Isa PBUH will be a follower of the last and seal of the prophets Muhammed SAW. You may be asking, why didn't Muhammed SAW get raised up he's the most important messanger? First of all, all the prophets in Islam are equal and none above the other, they all fought in the name of Islam, but prophet Muhammed SAW is TALKED about the most because he was the last of the prophets and the Quran was revealed to him.
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
Some of you may be thinking but that means Prophet Jesus PBUH is the last and final messanger. No, when prophet Isa PBUH comes Down he will not bring a new message, and he will not be a prophet, But he WILL be and follower of prophet muhammed SAW.
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
@jeffhardy112
So Jesus will be down graded from a Prophet to an Ummati of Prophet Muhammad like me and you?
Miyyan1 1 year ago
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@Miyyan1 @Miyyan1 correct. He wont come with a new message, and he will not teach anything new. He will come as a follower of prophet muhammed SAW and his teachings. The reason Jesus (PBUH) will come back is because he was the only prophet (out of the thousands) that his people of his time claimed he said he had divinity. Even in the bible it dosent say anywhere that jesus said "I am god, worship me" or "I am god" or "I am the son of god" if you can find anywhere in the bible where it says that
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
@Miyyan1 if you can find it anywhere I will accept christianity! he will come to turn away the christians and to defeat the dajjal ( one eyed creature, false messiah). Comming to your second term "Ummati" yes Prophet Isa ( Jesus PBUH) will come back as part of the ummati, and will follow the prophet Muhammed SAW teachings like we are doing right now. Ahmediyya believe that Isa (Jesus PBUH) died in india, Kashmir at the age of 120. Also they believe that prophet Muhammed SAW said to his daughter
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
@Miyyan1 aicha on his deathbed that prophet jesus pbuh died at the age of 120, so I should die at the age around 60. Now another point to show is that ahmediyya believe that there can be prophets after Muhhamed SAW but will will less ranked as him (less status) because they say it dosent say in the qu'ran that he is the last prophet but the "seal" of the prophets. Now brother if I asked you, if I seal a document can anything be added to it? can anything come after that document if its been
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
@Miyyan1 sealed? ofcourse not. whoever tries and thinks differently needs to go and see a psychiatrist. So logicially if any prophet after prophet muhammed SAW were to come (which ahmediyya's believe that mirza ghulam was a reformer, the mehdi, and prophet) he should die at the age of 30 years old. and the prophet after that at 15 years old. and after that 7 years old. If you look at it logically when the prophet said he would die at around 60 years old, its exactly half of 120!
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
@Miyyan1 so that means that prophet Adam peace be upon him will be thousands and thousands of years old and still will not be dead! So open your hearts to the right way of islam, that Allah is one, to believe in the holy quran and "authentic" hadith, and that prophet muhhamed SAW in the last of the prophets. Allah knows best. Asalamwalaikam x
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
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@jeffhardy112
Brother you are barking at the wrong tree!
I know Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's claim of a 'Mahdi, 'Masiah' and 'a Prophet' all in one is false!
As I do believe according to the Quran that like any other mortal human, Jesus also died. I would like to ask the question of Jesus in his Second Advent from the believers of second coming or return of Jesus.
Will Jesus would be down graded from a Prophet to an Ummati of Prophet Muhammad like me and you?
Miyyan1 1 year ago
@jeffhardy112
Brother you are barking at the wrong tree!
I know Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's claim of a 'Mahdi, 'Masiah' and 'a Prophet' all in one is false!
As I do believe according to the Quran that like any other mortal human, Jesus also died.
I would like to ask the question of Jesus in his Second Advent from the believers of second coming or return of Jesus.
Will Jesus would be down graded from a Prophet (in his own right) to an Ummati of Prophet Muhammad like me and U? Will he be Prophet
Miyyan1 1 year ago
@Miyyan1 salaams brother, first of all i'm trying to spread the word of truth, once I have my part is done, then its up to you what you believe. Im not aruging just simply stating the facts. In the Qu'ran it sais that prophet Muhammed SAW is the seal of the prophets (last) of the prophets. So if jesus peace be up him returns will he come back as a prophet? ofcourse not, because the qu'ran has no contradictions in it. If it sais that prophet muhammed SAW is the last of the prophets then he is.
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
@Miyyan1 No prophet can come after him, Its simple logic brother. It sais many times in the hadith that prophet Muhammed SAW is the last of the prophets, there is also no less that 70 places that Jesus peace be upon him will return. But not as a prophet, but as a follower of prophet Muhammed SAW. The word "Downgraded" is not the right term to put it. But all the prophets came and spread the word to thier people of that time. But prophet Muhammed SAW is the last prophet, simply because
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
@Miyyan1 the holy quran was revealed to him, the last revelation. Allah sais in the qu'ran that he has set the religion islam for the whole of mankind. So there is no need for a new message or prophet after the religion has been competed. Thats the reason prophet jesus peace be upon him will not come back as a prophet but as a follower of prophet muhammed SAW. hope this helps brother, adam x
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
@jeffhardy112
You said "So there is no need for a new message or prophet after the religion has been competed." You are funny, after admitting this you still think that there is a need for any one to come. Why there is a need for anybody to come?
What Jesus is going to do for you which Muhammad and Quran couldn't do?
It looks like it that your understanding is that since his coming in the Ahadith then he will come . The question is WHY?
Miyyan1 1 year ago
@Miyyan1 yes brother and i can happily answer that question. Out of the thousands of prophets, jesus was the only prophet who his people claimed that he had divinity. No other prophet was accused of such thing. As whole each prophet from Prophet Adam (Peace Be Upon Him) to the last and seal of the prophets Muhammed SAW (peace be upon him) gained followers when they spread the word of islam. But the difference with jesus is that most of the people of his time accused him of being the son of god
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
@Miyyan1 which in the bible it sais no where that jesus sais "I am god worship me" or "I am god" or "I am the son of god". So the reason prophet jesus peace be upon him will come back is to turn away the christians and tell them to get away from him and he has nothing to say to them, and to defeat the false messiah, the dajjal. Brother you should search DrZakir Naik will jesus return in youtube. He will give you the answer if I havnt already, asalamwalaikam x
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
@jeffhardy112
So you are saying that the Jesus in his first life actively spread the real Christianity (not the distorted one like some followers calling him God’s Son) and in his second advent will spread Islam?
This is a hell of a job for a single Prophet. And may be God also understand the hard work involve, hence given Jesus two lives to accomplish this daunting task! I see now I understand why he has to come twice!
Thanks for increasing my understanding.
Miyyan1 1 year ago
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Ahmediyya also believe that Mirza ghulam was the second comming of Jesus Christ PBUH. Am I right? In the holy Quran chapter 4 verse number 159 it sais that Allah has raised up Jesus PBUH alive. It also sais in the holy Quran that Jesus PBUH will be sent down again to turn away the christians and to defeat the djall (one eyes monster).
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
Ahmediyya also believe that Mirza ghulam was the second comming of Jesus Christ PBUH. Am I right? In the holy Quran chapter 4 verse number 159 it sais that Allah has raised up Jesus PBUH alive. It also sais in the holy Quran that Jesus PBUH will be sent down again to turn away the christians and to defeat the djall (one eyes monster).
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
Some people might disagree and say that ahmediyya believe that mirza ghulam was not a messanger, he was a reformer. In Islam if you need to keep strong and to forget about you worries in your life, the beat thing you can do is run to the quran as if it's your best friend. You should pray and ask for help from Allah. It's haram to claim you are a prophet or messiah when Allah sent the last revelation the Quran down to guide people onto the right path, this is the purpose of free will.
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
In chapter 33 verse number 40 it sais that muhammed SAW is not the father of any of you men, but he is the seal (last) of the prophets. What a beautiful verse from the holy Quran, whoever believes in a messanger, or messiah, or any other person who claims to be a messanger of Islam, is not a Muslim.
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
What was prophet muhammed SAW? Was he a Sunni?Shia?wahabi? No! He was a Muslim, what about prophet Isa (jesus)PBUH was he a Sunni?Shia? No! He was a Muslim. This the right sector which will go to paradise, who believe in one god Allah, follow the Holy Quran and authentic Hadiths, and believe that muhammed SAW is the LAST and SEAL of the prophets.
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
Prophet muhammed SAW said that only one sect of 73 will go to paradise. If somebody came up to you and asked what type of Muslim you are what would be your response? Sunni?Shia?wahabi? The best and purest answer you can give is you are a Muslim! In the Quran it specifically sais that do not devide yourselves in Islam because you will wil deviding the ummah.
jeffhardy112 1 year ago
Hazoor Prophet of Allah Muhammad saw are saying
72 firqay Bad tareen Makhluq hongay Asman key nicheay
Ghamidi sahib should read the Hadis
Imam Mehdi is the Prophet of Allah
ash0470 1 year ago
This is not the belief of Ahmadiyya. Ahmadis believe all Muslims are Muslims. Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) ne farmaya yahudi 71 friqon men taqsim huwe the meri ummat 72 firqon men taqsim hoo gi. Un men se sirf 1 janti hoo ga. Ab ummat ka kam hai kah wo dhunde kah janti kom hai. Har koi yahi dawa karta hai kah wo janti hai.
nqur 1 year ago
@nqur phir sey ghaur kar lena hazur akram (PBUH) ney kaha tha ke meri ummat 73 mein taqseem ho jai gi jab ke yahud 72 mein huwe hain
nailanayyar 1 year ago
This question is not aroused by any Ahmady because we Ahmadi don't say kafir to any of the islamic sect . If it was Ahmadi he must have mentioned his name.
Jamat Ahmadiyya kisi bi firqey ko kafir qrar nahin deti sab ko ghir ahmadi muslman smajhti hai. Hazrat mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani Sahib ney Khud kaha tha ke hamen kisi ko bhi kafir kehney ka koi haq nahin aur yahi ham sab ahmadion ka bi tareeqe amal hai
nailanayyar 1 year ago
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@nailanayyar This is not the belief of Ahmadiyya. Ahmadis believe all Muslims are Muslims. Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) ne farmaya yahudi 71 friqon men taqsim huwe the meri ummat 72 firqon men taqsim hoo gi. Un men se sirf 1 janti hoo ga. Ab ummat ka kam hai kah wo dhunde kah janti kom hai. Har koi yahi dawa karta hai kah wo janti hai.
nqur 1 year ago
r u the one amir liaquat on geo?
nadz4maz 1 year ago
javed ghamidi is knowledgeable because his opinions and analysis is primarily based on the Quran, which we know is the criteria to judge anything (25:1). Most of the mullahs and madrasaas dont follow the quran and believe in heresay of hadith books which are full of corruption and contradictory stories falsely attributed to the prophet.
szuberi 1 year ago
NON MUSLIMS LOLS QADYANIS AKHRAT MAI PATA CHALAY GA
kashif642 1 year ago
@kashif642 Hazur akram (PBUH) ney farma diya tha ke is dunya mei bi sachey ki pehchan ki aik nishani hai aur woh yeh farmaya tha aap ney k . Us sachi jamaat ya firqey ki nishani yeh hai ke un ke sath wohi salook ho ga jo muj sey aur merey sahaba sey hota hai. Nishani mein ney bata di hai ab tum khud hi dhondo ke jaisey sahaba ko azan sey kalima parheney aur quran parheney sey mana kia jata tha aaj kal kis ke sath yeh salook ho raha hai.
nailanayyar 1 year ago
ahmadiya kafir harami
imranejaz1 1 year ago
jhoot bolta hay the person who asked this asked a question this we dont consider any muslim as non muslim
sherkhann100 1 year ago
ager sab itnay acklmand hai to 72 firko mai keyou hai her kohee sahee ka sath thay ta hai per apnay firko kay through. agher kohee sach pana cahta hai wo us key koudh talash karay na kay molwe kay through is 21 century kay dor mai
waqas22 1 year ago
gamidi sahab ub wo dor nhi raha k logon ko bewakoof banaya jae.asal sawal ka jawab to diya hi nahin apne.ap samne aaker kiun nhi muqabla karte ahmadiyon ka.koi bhi molvi nhi ker sakta .
haniball12 1 year ago
himranz:?
Qadini beliefs are totally against Islamic teaching
rockmaster001 1 year ago
sab Firqoo ny khud Ahmadies ko Kafir Declare kiya hy. Ahmadi agar Rasul ko mantay hn to un par lazam hy ky wo dosray firqay kay ulemaa ko Nari samjhen. Otherwise wo khud Nari hoon gay.
gittu79 2 years ago
@gittu79
and who the hell these poeple r to declare kafir ? d corrrupt politicans who r mullah? and do u think they r presenting u the islam ? lanat aisae logon per,, and wt a caliber u got who is abiding behind these people,,, jo kam khuda ka hai woh khuda kai hath mein hi rehnae dain, warna wohi hota hai jo ajj app k sath ho raha hai,yani khudai lanat app per puri taqat sae barus rahi hai.lekin dheet log ho tum sarae khuda ka azab tum per chul raha hai or tum log samujh nai rae
Rowail1 2 years ago
@gittu79
hadees tu app nae khud hi puri ker di hai puri azeem us shan taqat sae
nabi pak SAW said: 72 firqae hon gae 73wan naji yani janti ho ga and 72 k 72 us 73 ween k khilaf hon gae,,, tu janab kafir qarar denae ki app ki decleration kia yeh sabut nahi ker rahi k 72 kai 72 mutafiq yani dozukhi or kiss baat per mutafiq kai yani yeh 73waan kafir hai.... yani all 72 r khilaf ... tu azeem shan hadees tu khuda nae app k gundae hathon sae he puri kerwa de hai already,
ahmadiate zinda baad
Rowail1 2 years ago
@gittu79
Obviously!!! According to hadith all 72 sects are going to hell and only one sect is going to heaven so by this decision you have your self proven which sect is correct.
Read here;
How 72 sects of Islam unanimously agreed to self-destruct
spiritualchange[dot]blogsome[dot]com/2009/04/29/72-sects/
See here;
72 Sects of Muslim Are Calling Together Ahmadiyya is 73rd Sects!
youtube[dot]com/watch?v=yaX5SDflvv4
meraypass 2 years ago
remember maulana qasim sb was founder of deo bundi movement and imam abdul wahab sb was founder of wahabi movement & i think when ghamidi even accept that sofis were in view of comings prophets den i think its totaly a shame on u & no one can accept u , offcourse u r misinterpretor itself. ghamdi also told in his video which i mentioned dat ahamdion nae is sae ziada kia bat ki hai jo sofia nae kahi thi
yeh jawab hota hai aik ahamdhy bachae ka.. offcourse u r feeling ur face redish now..tata
Rowail1 2 years ago
so after having all these slaps rirght at the center of ur face now u plz dont make me laughhhh that they all never mean that prophets can come haha. do visit ur own tasavuv foundation & see the original books of them, i ve jst gave u 4 or 5 references and dere r many more. similarly there r alot of sofias who beleived in jesus death ,, and dunt plz dare to say now that they never mean that lolz. MGA told dese thing 100 yrs bck at that time one out of u no one beleived dat but he let us beleive.
Rowail1 2 years ago
Ibn Arabi also followed the same line of reasoning in his futoohat. [24] He has even argued that possibility of a subordinate prophet is open according to the verse 33:40. He has stated:
That prophethood which ended with the advent of the Prophet, is only law-bearing prophethood and not the status of prophethood. Thus now there will be no law that cancels the law of the Prophet or that adds to its commandments. (Fatoohaat al-Makkiyyah, Vol. 2, p. 3)
Rowail1 2 years ago
take a one more slap
Mawlana Rumi in his famous Mathnawi writes [23],
He has been raised to the station of Khatam by the grace of God. There can never be his like before him or after. When a master excels all others in his art, dont you use the word khatam to convey the idea that he has excelled all others in his domain?
Rowail1 2 years ago
Qasim Nanotvi tstates the Messenger of Allah, S.A.W being Khatam is supposed to have appeared after al d other prophets. But men of understanding and the wise know it very well that being the first or the last, chronologically, does not carry any weight. How could, therefore, the words of the Holy Qur'an 'But he is the messenger of Allah and the Seal of Prophets (33.40) mean to glorify him? But I know very wel that none from among the Muslims would be prepared to agree with the common men.
Rowail1 2 years ago
and what i m telling u right now is even more bigger slap on the face of u
Maulana Qasim Nanotwi further writes,
In short, if the meaning of the word Finality is accepted as explained, then his Finality of Prophethood will not be exclusively attached to the past Prophet. But even if for instance another Prophet appeared during the era of the Prophet then too, him being the Final Prophet remains intact as normal.[
Rowail1 2 years ago
and see how ur ghamidi thrash the claim of people like u when he openly admits dat al sufia were in the view of comings of propets, so now its enough for u to shut ur mouth and to shut ur falsihood like mullahs..
/watch?v=DjXYoX7l1zM&feature=PlayList&p=E8EE8DDBBA416657&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=67
now see what ghamidi said at 2.50 seconds to onwards,,, i think its a biggest slap on the face of people like u
Rowail1 2 years ago
dnt talk crap or rubbish,,,, well we quote ibn e arabi and he dont beleive on comings of prophet? ? ? first apni study complete kia kerein then talk to us, is laie we use to say u ,, u poeple are always over ambitious,,, and ok if ibn e arabi never mean dat den imam raghib was also nt mean that and wt bout imam wahab? and wt about abul qasim nanotowi? what about imam shafi ?? and many more,,,, o plz dont talk rubbsih when u r nt clea ron it itself,
Rowail1 2 years ago
and dear waqas,,, watch many replies to this insane AK SHEKH on you tube, regards
Rowail1 2 years ago
hahaha actually i was in search of ahmedi replies to ak shaikh some months before .... i found some ... 10 mints video 4 mints of khaksaar introduction 2 mints of Tilawat 2 mints of end ... jst 2 mints of ur reply ... beleive me ...
MrWaqasahmed 2 years ago
this is what the problems with undertsanding of his sayings. we r not such a crap to accept that person who give nauz buillah galian to any one or says i m suprior to any one nauzbillah,,, yahan per he app k samujhna eor humarae samjhnaae mein faruq hai,,, you peopl just took it what he writes but what he mean to say is what mullah wil never told you, simple problem
Rowail1 2 years ago
one thing u also keep in ur mind that ghamidi sahib said in one tv pgm about ahamdies on a word of khatum, " jo zulum app ahmadion per 150 saal sae ker rahae hain unhon nae us sae ziada kia baat kahi hai word khattum kai upper jo baat sarae sufia or bazurgon nae ki hai " now he clearly admits that as sufia ( as mentioned below by me) took d meaning of kattum. exacly ahamdies took the same & there is not any harm in dat,this is the brave statement which typical mulah wil evr hide it from u guys.
Rowail1 2 years ago
harmara main ikhtilaaf qadiyaniyon se death of Esa AS nai he per Nabuwat ka Dawa he .... and No mullla , no scholar , says that this belief is right ... you should put your ahmedies mulla out and made them to debate wid sunni mulla if they are right .... why you people always hide ourself ... ??
MrWaqasahmed 2 years ago
@Rowail1
Sorry but Sufi understanding is not literal
speically ahmadis quote ibn arabi alot but he never meant that prophets can keep coming
I would advice you to watch farhan00 video series on finality of prophethood with open mind
xiaahmad 2 years ago
as far as AK SHEIKH SHAIB IS CONCERN, beleive me he is talking total crap and lieeeeeeeee, we who r living inside this jamat knws he is lieing coz we can clearly see, it looks that he is on mission to defeat in any cost the ahamdies hahahha like evry 2 days aftr he use to come wid new crap video, now this is what i m talking the approach between ghamidi sahib and DAT AK sheikh sahib, the hell difference even both are in difference view point, but one is totally negative and crap & othr is not
Rowail1 2 years ago
Mr Ghamidi always says that ahmedi have committed mistake by acepting false belief of mirza ghulam ahmed of qadian ... but we should teach them , argue them and made them into main stream islam ....
MrWaqasahmed 2 years ago
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MrWaqasahmed 2 years ago
AK Shaikh is doing nothing but just reading your Khalifa book .... why dont you give him reply if you thinking he is spreading lies about ahmedies .... you people dont read your own mirza written books if u read then why r u claiming that he is spreading falsehood .... thats all is what he wrote in his books ...
MrWaqasahmed 2 years ago
@Rowail1
Dear Rowail
AKSHEIKH always provide references to MGA books which I have varified so just saying he is lying is not the answer
Please do some research of ur own instead of blindly following MGA and his Sons pvt organization
xiaahmad 2 years ago
Mawlana Rumi in his famous Mathnawi writes [23],
He has been raised to the station of Khatam by the grace of God. There can never be his like before him or after. When a master excels all others in his art, dont you use the word khatam to convey the idea that he has excelled all others in his domain?
so dere r many which mulah never told u guys but ghamidi atleast admits, dis adds a gr8 respect for him. atleats he says what is written and nevr talk munafikly. ghamidi lives long life
Rowail1 2 years ago
Ibn Arabi followed writings in his book futoohat. He has argued that possibility of a subordinate prophet is open according to the verse 33:40.
That prophethood which ended with the advent of the Prophet, is only law-bearing prophethood and not the status of prophethood. Thus now there will be no law that cancels the law of the Prophet or that adds to its commandments. (Fatoohaat al-Makkiyyah, Vol. 2, p. 3)
Rowail1 2 years ago
mulims main Esa AS ki death k baray main 2 mukhtalif concept hen ... one he is disappear and second he is dead .. but the difference b/w ahmediya and other muslims sect is ahmediya beleive he is dead is somewhere india and kashmir .first .. and the main confict b/w other sect and ahmedi is they beleive that there is no prophet after Muhammad SAWW but ahmedi beleive Mirza was the masiah/mahdi/ or zahoor of Prophet ...
MrWaqasahmed 2 years ago
@ 3:09 and 5:54 he clearly said jo mukaf beyan kia hai us sae huth ker ager mein isi baat ko yahi loon tu.. which means he clearly said k i m nt sure of their point of view.. lekin he also admire kai ager mein in questions ko aisae he loon jesae pocha gia tu tub answer waqai he yahi bunta hai jesa ghamidi sahib nae bayan furmaya hai, lekin we all ahamdies knws k jammat kai context ko hamesha ghalut beyan kia jata hai,, but ghamidi sahi no doubt pakistan needs people like u out of these mullahs
Rowail1 2 years ago
You should see video Ghamidi stance on Ahmediya/Qadiyani ... plz dont be narrow minded if something going in ur favor thats right and something against you is wrong...
MrWaqasahmed 2 years ago
@MrWaqasahmed
if that is the then plz view ghamidi telling the meaning of the word khattum in view of all imams and bazurgs sofia of islam. it is the best answer for you
Rowail1 2 years ago
First what is this "if that is the then" and I also consider Mr Ghamidi more sophisticated scholar in pakistan but my point was that Ghamidi also against belive of ahmadi but he also againt the persecution of them and killing them .... we can resolve this issue on table not in field of war ... and you must also see AK shaikh videos on youtube ...
MrWaqasahmed 2 years ago
@MrWaqasahmed
wel thats what i m saying ,, we respect ghamidi despite of even his views against ahamdies in difference of point of view. coz of the simple reason his horizon is muchhhhhhh broader and open and in no way can be compared as typical mullahs are. and dear brother despite of his views about ahamdies which even sometimes kuch shcolars dur ker jawab day daitae hain about ahamdies lekin phir bhi i do respect him even if he is in difference of opinion
Rowail1 2 years ago
@MrWaqasahmed
second if u can see he is not against but he is in difference of opinion with ahamdies, this is what makes him gr8 scholar,,,, warna if u r talking about mullahs they are against not in diffeence of opinion,,, this is what i m talking bout the approach which evry muslim scholar should ve but unfortunately not...
Rowail1 2 years ago
@MrWaqasahmed
now if u can study quran as ghamidi sahib clearly said jesus is died in view of quran and u cnt prove it from quran even,,, u must see it,,, sooooo thisis what ahamdies strongly beleive in 150 yrs back,, this is what the founder of ahmadiyya movement told many yrs back but he is no doubt a brave person who admitts the simple fact that is clearly proved from quran whhich typical mullah hides from u people that jesus has been died. we can even prove it clearly from quran.
Rowail1 2 years ago
@MrWaqasahmed
now if he can explain us the meaning of khattum and jesus death clearly then this simply means that any gr8 scholar who cn read quran cn evluate that jesus is died or not ,, and if he cn explain that almost all gr8 and big sufia took the meaning of khattum as what ahamedies are taking then what is the point of mullah to say kafir to us ?? are ibn e arabi, molana roomi,,, imam shafi,, imam hanfi are kafirs too?
Rowail1 2 years ago
Jesus death does not prove MGA to be truthful
Qadianis must understand
as all they do is talk about ISA(AS) rather than trying to prove MGA to be truthful
xiaahmad 2 years ago
baat chothi si yahi hai , kai yeh sarae mantae hain kai aik firqa janti ho ga, aub haqeeqat mein tamam firqae apnae app ko individually janti kehtuhae hain means kai dosrae tamam in other sense dozukhi ho jatae hain,lekin ghamidi sahib nae yeh sahi kaha k is per concentrate kerna ya izhar kerna sahi nai humain or bhi ohat sari cheezon ko daikhna chahae, my request to all ahamdhy brothers here kai ghamdi sahib is respected person or in ki batein kamuz kum mullahon jesi nai, we should respect him
Rowail1 2 years ago
WEl Alhamdollilah i m an ahmadhy ,,, and i do respect more then any other person offcourse not mullah but ghamidi sahib. he is without doubt a nobel and knwoledgable person. lekin zarrori nahi in ki tamam batein theek hon,, or yeh bhi zarrori nahi in ki tamama batein ghalut hon,, i do agree with 90 % sayins of ghamidi sahib,, but not this time. first questions he sarae negativ sense mein ayan kiae gayae which is offcourse was nt the context of jammat. see my next comment.
Rowail1 2 years ago
I am surprised to listen that Khilafat is not Islamic term. Where you will put Khilafat e Rashida. He give example of Masih but ignored Prophet Muhammad (saw). Moreover, how can he ignore an agreed upon Hadith 'Ulamo hum'? Ahmadis are not saying anything other than Quran and Hadith.
himranz 2 years ago
@himranz
Do u know, Javed Ahmad Ghamidi is the most knowledgeable scholar in the Muslim World?
AamirLiaquat 2 years ago
@AamirLiaquat . Dont worship personalities, think what is being said, not that who is saying it.
himranz 2 years ago
Is this rule applied on your khalifa Mirza masroor ahmad?
AamirLiaquat 2 years ago
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love4all159 1 year ago