@sn1111111 This Video is from the Second's Out Promo Video and was filmed in Dallas Texas on the 19th March :) And by the way, you seem to be one of the lucky guys who saw a live performance of All in a Mouses Night. Because this song got kicked out of the setlist in late January and the whole tour on, it was left out :-(
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Did anyone catch that roll that Phil does when he jumps back on the drums? INCREDIBLE! Phil and this lineup of Genesis will always be one of the all time best!
Phil is the one that went the more commercial route, but he has also proven he can be pretty weird at times. Peter and Phil definitely had a different way of doing things, but both their unique insticts gave us music with genesis that no other band could even dream to come up with. Its pointless to say who was better, both of these guys took a different approach, and both pof them recorded songs with genesis that totally nailed it if you take the time to listen. Trick of the tail is amazing
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Good shit. All though I've known about Genesis for along time I'm barely starting to get into them. This is a great jam. For me, the jury still out on who's the better front man Peter or Phil.
Genesis has been my favorite for almost 20 years, and I love Peter era much more than Phil's. But it's not even a question that Phil is a much better singer. It just doesn't sound right to us because we're so used to hearing Peter on all these classic songs, but if you really listen, Phil sings with much more power, conviction and emotion in his voice. God, I wish Genesis stayed prog!
@arhar359 "I love Peter era much more than Phil's. But it's not even a question that Phil is a much better singer. It just doesn't sound right to us because we're so used to hearing Peter on all these classic songs, but if you really listen, Phil sings with much more power, conviction and emotion in his voice."
Thank you for some honest objectivity even though it conflicts with your personal preference. I completely agree with your statement, with the exception that I prefer Phil as the lead.
Genesis was a pure rock band till May 1975. After then they slowly became a pop rock band. Even though I completely agree this statement from "shaggyshadric" : "No one can ever replace Peter Gabriel... Phil did what he could and that's good enough for me"
@mazely I completely agree. Just some people on here calling him no talent might not even know that Phil was with the band from the start, and if it wasn't for him drumming I do not think their music would have been anywhere near as good. Phil is not the same though. Although their first 2 albums with phil as the leader were quite good then it turned into............yuck.
@DavidKinner@roitruax My point of view is that, as a band leader, Phil is a good entertainer. He has tallent, but he's not a musical genius like Peter. With Phil, the band has become more and more pop (good pop, but not progressive anymore) as the years passed.
I don't see how anyone can say Phil has no talent at all considering even if he sucks at singing in some peoples opinion if you say Phil sucks all around then you say Genesis has always sucked. Phil has and always will be one of the most talented drummers in rock music, and what most people seem to forget is Phil was the drummer for Genesis since the beginning then stepped up to vocals when Gabriel left.
This version makes me want to puke. Even the keys sound second rate as if Phil made Tony change his sound to a cheaper Bontempi crap he is playing. They are two bands. Genesis with Gabriel that ended in '74 and then this wannabe-mainstream sound this bearded devil is trying to achieve here. One thing though, Wind and Wuthering kicked serious ass. Thanks for that one Steve.
@mazely WOW, you have that completely and precisely ASS-BACKWARDS. Go talk to some seasoned studio musicians and see if they agree with that clap-trap.
that's nice venturecrew...and i'd have to agree because nobody can fill gabriels shoes! so there was three......and everyone moved forward and i'm grateful because i truely enjoy gabriel's solo career.
The real Genesis fans will always prefer the Peter Gabriel the Phil "down, down down" Collins era. Gabriel as a frontman, is in a different stratosphere to Collins. Gabriel understood and lived those early Genesis songs - Collins does not and could not That's the difference. Phil Collins once said, " I could never out Pete, Pete ! " - and do you know what - he was right.
i do prefer the live versions with phil too the live versions from the lamb tour but the repetition thing phil has always done live "lies down DOWN DOWN DOWN" does get a little annoying at times in some songs it works but in this it doesn't
@scandial I totally agree with you ! Nothing compares to Peter Gabriel's range and gritty voice...Phil did his best to imitate it, but how to measure up to ...his master's voice ?!
So many opinions about the REAL Genesis posted on here. Who cares? Don't you have anything else to contribute? Stop cloging the comments with views of this material .... its pitiful
Without Peter Gabriel this Genesis is only remake... Collins should never take the place from Peter G. . In matter of music a historical pity shame... here this smal movie part say all...
Thats right... Genesis without Gabriel and Hackett is nothing but a leftover... Banks, Collins an Rutherford simply are a very different combination of artists... another band...
Yeah... The Last Time I Saw A Photo Of Simon Collins, It Looked Like HE Was Going Through His "Beard Phase" In HIS "Musical Carreer"... ... He Likes That "Metaphysical Shite", I Guess It Picks Up The Dumb Hippy Chicks From Surrey,BC... ... They All Think That He's JESUS!!! ... ... I Guess THAT Means That "Jay Sun" From "Bedoin SoundClash" Is PROBABLY JUDAS!!! ... ... (Because We All Know That "Alex" Is PAUL!) ... ... ... !
LOL... some of you guys. Arpeggiator? People used to actually play instruments, and write music. People use arpeggiators to make up for a lack of skill in playing their instrments.
And Collins (Phil, that is), he has a voice, and a reasonably good one. When he's singing "his" tunes, it's a very good voice. When he's singing songs Gabriel did, they are just covers, no matter how good they are.
Ed, I couldn't have said it better myself, I assure you. The Tony Banks crosshanded technique is a major-league big deal that seems to have been largely forgotten except by folks like us. And yes, Phil is a great singer, and though he's not as talented vocally as Peter G., he's still a major vocal talent and a great drummer indeed.
LOL. Ok, I'll pull back on my comment. Sometimes skilled musicians use arpeggiators. But very often, people use them to make up for skills they don't have. I don't think Banks is one of *them*. I believe Banks uses them... but I'd bet he could play any of those parts without.
It's all right. I happen to fall into the category of musicians who are significantly better at writing than playing. I do agree that technology has made things annoying - automatic chord generators for example. I do take comfort in that the people who need these crutches really don't understand the theory behind it all and are probably not going to experience much success. But in days where a DJ can press a button and be hailed a genius, I'm with you to a large degree.
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phil sings some of gabriels songs better than gabriel-carpet crawlers,i know what i like.(alot of the softer stuff) phil couldnt sing the harder stuff till about 1980(he really had command of his vocals by then) by then they werent doing to much gabriel era stuff anyway
Both Phil and Peter were good, but as with many other bands that had to switch up their lead signers, can't expect the new one to live up to the other.
Phil and Peter have different voices and styles so neither one can sing each others songs as well as the true author can. Saying phil can't sing Peters song right, well, yea, he can't. Cause it's Peters song.
But he left and they had to go on so gotta give him credit for even stepping up and trying to fill the spot of such a good artist.
After Gabriel leave Genesis , Genesis is not Genesis anymore! Collins have not the voice and not the spirit of P. Gabriel. Far away from old Genesis. Peter Gabriel was Genesis in there i have a full pocket of feelings and experience i will not miss and will not come back, may in 1000 years again when human find out that money can make you happy!! But a simple part of music like this can...
Yeah, Collins put something different, on the edge betwen commercial (what he became after) and ... I don't know how to describe it, maybe less hermetic without betraying the original soul... Tjat's my point of view, and music is only a point of view matter anyway. Not better, not worst but different.
anyone who knows the history of genesis knows that Phil had Peters blessing to move forward with the music while stewarding the legacy that was Gabriel. As it happened Phil Collins totally made the music his own and many fans prefer the Collins versions of Gabriel classics, while adoring the future music that Peter provided. Love them both, that's what i say
@venturecrew06 "As it happened Phil Collins totally made the music his own and many fans prefer the Collins versions of Gabriel classics, while adoring the future music that Peter provided."
That perfectly describes my view of the situation. Gabriel was a dynamic showman, but his vocal performance with Genesis was total, utter, unmitigated CRAP. Frankly, it seemed as thought the songs were out of his range or something, and they were destined for Phil's interpretation. Solo, Gabriel is great.
hmm wonder whos the most successful person in genesis, wow i think its phil collins, btw I love peter gabriel but his voice did not sound good back then sorry all that caterwalling was not cute
Alright, look, I think it's fair to say that both Phil and Peter were talented artists, or they wouldn't have made it so far.
The fact is Peter left Genesis, they had to continue, and Phil was the best they could get. The fans wanted to hear old and new stuff, so Phil had to do his best at singing Peter's lyrics. Personally, I think they could've done a lot worse for a replacement.
No one can ever replace Peter Gabriel, so lay off ok? Phil did what he could and that's good enough for me.
The only bad part of Phil taking over the lead, was that he could no longer play the kind of drums that would have kept him in the same percussion circles as Carl Palmer, Bill Bruford and Neil Peart...
@queencitykids and Phil wasn't nearly the same showman Peter was. I like them both, don't get me wrong, but I do wish there was a few more Peter Gabriel Genesis albums out there. He had a very unique style in those years that no one has now, not even him. btw, I'm mad at Peter cause he ditched the induction of Genesis to the rock and roll hall of fame. I wanted to see him there :[
You're absolutely correct. Bruford toured with the band only on the Trick tour of 1976; this film was done on the Wind tour, by which point Steve hadn't yet left and Chester had joined.
Phil is an okay vocalist. I mean, he did a great job with Genesis after Peter left, but his voice doesn't match Pete's ferocity on this song. Still, A Trick of the Tail is a great follow-up to this album, even if it sounds COMPLETELY different than this masterpiece.
it looks like the lineup short before Steve left the band. that means Chester drums. I think Bill was only for a few shows hired till they found someone with whom Phil felt comfortable..but I don't know exactly
It pisses me off that you rarely see Steve Hackett playing his soaring lead work especially on Carpet Crawlers. It was his guitar sound that made me listen to Genesis in the first place.
Its true. I think that Peter help Genesis to be notice mostly because of Peter's showman habilites, and Phil pushed Genesis to a more open public. Both do a great work, like depeche mode with David Gaham and Martin Gore they sound the same.
Does anybody else ever "trip" on how Phil Collins and Peter Gabriel both had that high pitched, hissy, sound in their voice. They were very similar sounding in alot of ways (Big fan here, so don't insult me, I know my old and new Genesis). They really have a similar sound. Maybe it's an English thang...
(Based upon my hearing this version here and the SO version) I would agree with you - the live version tempo seems faster...personally, I prefer a slower tempo - faster versions may leave less "breathing room" for a song
Where was this? I saw them that year at the Free Trade Hall in Manchester.
sn1111111 3 weeks ago
@sn1111111 This Video is from the Second's Out Promo Video and was filmed in Dallas Texas on the 19th March :) And by the way, you seem to be one of the lucky guys who saw a live performance of All in a Mouses Night. Because this song got kicked out of the setlist in late January and the whole tour on, it was left out :-(
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No matter who was doing the Voice Peter or Phil Great is Great.
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bcmollyhogan 5 months ago
Did anyone catch that roll that Phil does when he jumps back on the drums? INCREDIBLE! Phil and this lineup of Genesis will always be one of the all time best!
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Phil is the one that went the more commercial route, but he has also proven he can be pretty weird at times. Peter and Phil definitely had a different way of doing things, but both their unique insticts gave us music with genesis that no other band could even dream to come up with. Its pointless to say who was better, both of these guys took a different approach, and both pof them recorded songs with genesis that totally nailed it if you take the time to listen. Trick of the tail is amazing
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ClassicRockDVD 10 months ago
Good shit. All though I've known about Genesis for along time I'm barely starting to get into them. This is a great jam. For me, the jury still out on who's the better front man Peter or Phil.
dasteelers75 10 months ago
Genesis has been my favorite for almost 20 years, and I love Peter era much more than Phil's. But it's not even a question that Phil is a much better singer. It just doesn't sound right to us because we're so used to hearing Peter on all these classic songs, but if you really listen, Phil sings with much more power, conviction and emotion in his voice. God, I wish Genesis stayed prog!
arhar359 10 months ago 2
@arhar359 "I love Peter era much more than Phil's. But it's not even a question that Phil is a much better singer. It just doesn't sound right to us because we're so used to hearing Peter on all these classic songs, but if you really listen, Phil sings with much more power, conviction and emotion in his voice."
Thank you for some honest objectivity even though it conflicts with your personal preference. I completely agree with your statement, with the exception that I prefer Phil as the lead.
1776Matthew 7 months ago
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blutocampbell 3 months ago
1:29
Video stroke.
combinownage 11 months ago 2
Phil at his hairiest...
remnrone 1 year ago 8
This is Genesis at its best. Thompson on drums and Hackett on guitar. Don't get me wrong, Stuermer is awesome but he's no Hackett.
Morttinen 1 year ago
Genesis was a pure rock band till May 1975. After then they slowly became a pop rock band. Even though I completely agree this statement from "shaggyshadric" : "No one can ever replace Peter Gabriel... Phil did what he could and that's good enough for me"
Berkaygergin 1 year ago
Who is in Phil's spot on the drums on this?
blutocampbell 1 year ago
@blutocampbell Chester Thompson... I think.
roitruax 1 year ago
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mazely 1 year ago
@mazely I completely agree. Just some people on here calling him no talent might not even know that Phil was with the band from the start, and if it wasn't for him drumming I do not think their music would have been anywhere near as good. Phil is not the same though. Although their first 2 albums with phil as the leader were quite good then it turned into............yuck.
DavidKinner 1 year ago
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@DavidKinner @roitruax My point of view is that, as a band leader, Phil is a good entertainer. He has tallent, but he's not a musical genius like Peter. With Phil, the band has become more and more pop (good pop, but not progressive anymore) as the years passed.
Well, this is only my oppinion.
mazely 1 year ago
Using drugs was more permissive at the time !!
Sylvain894 1 year ago
I don't see how anyone can say Phil has no talent at all considering even if he sucks at singing in some peoples opinion if you say Phil sucks all around then you say Genesis has always sucked. Phil has and always will be one of the most talented drummers in rock music, and what most people seem to forget is Phil was the drummer for Genesis since the beginning then stepped up to vocals when Gabriel left.
DavidKinner 1 year ago
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mazely 1 year ago
how he dares to say "I'm Rael"?
leovinci65 1 year ago
@leovinci65 Beacuse its in the lyirics, maybe?
Mutsusho 1 year ago
This version makes me want to puke. Even the keys sound second rate as if Phil made Tony change his sound to a cheaper Bontempi crap he is playing. They are two bands. Genesis with Gabriel that ended in '74 and then this wannabe-mainstream sound this bearded devil is trying to achieve here. One thing though, Wind and Wuthering kicked serious ass. Thanks for that one Steve.
TheExeter 1 year ago
phi is a fantastic drummer, singer, songmaker, actor
listen to testify cd too : a very good voice !
phenixreturns 1 year ago
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Tommygun1028 1 year ago
Peter Gabriel's a musician; Phil Collins is an entertainer.
mazely 1 year ago
@mazely
Uhhh... no.
roitruax 1 year ago
@mazely WOW, you have that completely and precisely ASS-BACKWARDS. Go talk to some seasoned studio musicians and see if they agree with that clap-trap.
1776Matthew 7 months ago
@1776Matthew I despise "seasoned studio musicians". You didn't have to be that aggressive, it's just my opinion.
mazely 7 months ago
that's nice venturecrew...and i'd have to agree because nobody can fill gabriels shoes! so there was three......and everyone moved forward and i'm grateful because i truely enjoy gabriel's solo career.
AroundTheRegion 1 year ago
Phil is better then Peter. A better Voice...
SuzukiBandit84 1 year ago
everytime I hear that piano in the beginning, I just feel the hair stand up on y arm, even tho this is NOT gabriel, still love the song
onemarilynfan 1 year ago
God, Phil! get a razor!!!! lol. love ya Phil........he looks like Tom Hanks in cast away.
freiheitsalv 1 year ago
Phil Collins with hair. Who would have thought it.
MrBilbo81 1 year ago
@MrBilbo81 indeed.
freiheitsalv 1 year ago
The real Genesis fans will always prefer the Peter Gabriel the Phil "down, down down" Collins era. Gabriel as a frontman, is in a different stratosphere to Collins. Gabriel understood and lived those early Genesis songs - Collins does not and could not That's the difference. Phil Collins once said, " I could never out Pete, Pete ! " - and do you know what - he was right.
ThefightingCelt 1 year ago
legendary album, but the barded collins looks rather sucks
tantemanfred 1 year ago
In the live versions Phil performs this way better than Peter IMO.
prettieststar01 1 year ago
i do prefer the live versions with phil too the live versions from the lamb tour but the repetition thing phil has always done live "lies down DOWN DOWN DOWN" does get a little annoying at times in some songs it works but in this it doesn't
pinkfloydrule27 1 year ago
sorry, I idisagree, Peter's voice is just totally superior, much greater range and expression
scandial 1 year ago
yes i agree but i just think Phil sings it with more passion. I saw a vid of peter performing this and he just seemed not that into it.
prettieststar01 1 year ago 2
@scandial I totally agree with you ! Nothing compares to Peter Gabriel's range and gritty voice...Phil did his best to imitate it, but how to measure up to ...his master's voice ?!
KarmaSong 1 year ago
peter gabriel is great but so is phil collins !!
barlowe5150 2 years ago
So many opinions about the REAL Genesis posted on here. Who cares? Don't you have anything else to contribute? Stop cloging the comments with views of this material .... its pitiful
TheBuzzito 2 years ago 7
Without Peter Gabriel this Genesis is only remake... Collins should never take the place from Peter G. . In matter of music a historical pity shame... here this smal movie part say all...
renderview 2 years ago
Thats right... Genesis without Gabriel and Hackett is nothing but a leftover... Banks, Collins an Rutherford simply are a very different combination of artists... another band...
macht7 2 years ago
LordPrick 2 years ago
LOL... some of you guys. Arpeggiator? People used to actually play instruments, and write music. People use arpeggiators to make up for a lack of skill in playing their instrments.
And Collins (Phil, that is), he has a voice, and a reasonably good one. When he's singing "his" tunes, it's a very good voice. When he's singing songs Gabriel did, they are just covers, no matter how good they are.
EdEdelenbos 2 years ago
Ed, I couldn't have said it better myself, I assure you. The Tony Banks crosshanded technique is a major-league big deal that seems to have been largely forgotten except by folks like us. And yes, Phil is a great singer, and though he's not as talented vocally as Peter G., he's still a major vocal talent and a great drummer indeed.
BAMAMARV 2 years ago
Tell Tony Banks that unskilled musicians use arpeggiators. (see Duke's Travels)
BaronvonCase 2 years ago
LOL. Ok, I'll pull back on my comment. Sometimes skilled musicians use arpeggiators. But very often, people use them to make up for skills they don't have. I don't think Banks is one of *them*. I believe Banks uses them... but I'd bet he could play any of those parts without.
EdEdelenbos 2 years ago
It's all right. I happen to fall into the category of musicians who are significantly better at writing than playing. I do agree that technology has made things annoying - automatic chord generators for example. I do take comfort in that the people who need these crutches really don't understand the theory behind it all and are probably not going to experience much success. But in days where a DJ can press a button and be hailed a genius, I'm with you to a large degree.
BaronvonCase 2 years ago
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countdumas 1 year ago
Poor synth player is just beating the shit out of those keys. " My Kingdom for an arpeggiator ".
ReneeNme 2 years ago
who is playing drums?
kenmtb 2 years ago
@kenmtb Looks like Chester to me.
dmny05077 2 years ago
HATE COLLINS
derek6678421 2 years ago
@derek6678421 Peter Gibrel IS the ture lamb but don't go tharshing Peter Collins! Peter Collins' awesome, too!
KeithThePunk 2 years ago
@derek6678421 Sorry, I mean Phil Collins. Gettin confused!
KeithThePunk 2 years ago
Please sir Go Die. Man I hope you run into Doktor Dyper
BlobtheDog 2 years ago
i don't think he cuts off windscreen wipers just for the fun of it lol
pinkfloydrule27 2 years ago
The real Genesis ! Sorry about Peter, he was the real lamb
grozja 2 years ago
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grozja 2 years ago
phil sings some of gabriels songs better than gabriel-carpet crawlers,i know what i like.(alot of the softer stuff) phil couldnt sing the harder stuff till about 1980(he really had command of his vocals by then) by then they werent doing to much gabriel era stuff anyway
jltjr5 2 years ago
A well deserved induction into the HOF. Long overdue.
bigbadredsox 2 years ago 3
Phil's voice is inappropriate for the song.
Similarly Gabriel's voice would be inappropriate for Susudio.
aftereight01 2 years ago 4
LOL, but I agree!
24models4hire 2 years ago
Both Phil and Peter were good, but as with many other bands that had to switch up their lead signers, can't expect the new one to live up to the other.
Phil and Peter have different voices and styles so neither one can sing each others songs as well as the true author can. Saying phil can't sing Peters song right, well, yea, he can't. Cause it's Peters song.
But he left and they had to go on so gotta give him credit for even stepping up and trying to fill the spot of such a good artist.
Krethas 2 years ago
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ljoe0202 2 years ago
progessive rock sucks
zimmcat 2 years ago
you like slipknot.
kwakky 2 years ago
I'll give 'em a chance - afterwards. Any slipknot recommandationS?
ljoe0202 2 years ago
absolutely not, they're horrible. i was telling "zimmcat" off.
kwakky 2 years ago
Awesome,so cool!
chairdude1 2 years ago
love the light dies down on broadway :O))
TheUtubesuxass 2 years ago
I like the 4 man line up best. Trick of the Tail is the best album they ever made.
drums2bass18 2 years ago
Does anyone care renderview..Listen to the music you may enjoy it...
TheRusskinruss 2 years ago
After Gabriel leave Genesis , Genesis is not Genesis anymore! Collins have not the voice and not the spirit of P. Gabriel. Far away from old Genesis. Peter Gabriel was Genesis in there i have a full pocket of feelings and experience i will not miss and will not come back, may in 1000 years again when human find out that money can make you happy!! But a simple part of music like this can...
renderview 2 years ago
blablabla.
yawn.
zebonaut 2 years ago
So why did Gabriel leave Genesis?
noyorono 2 years ago
Yeah, Collins put something different, on the edge betwen commercial (what he became after) and ... I don't know how to describe it, maybe less hermetic without betraying the original soul... Tjat's my point of view, and music is only a point of view matter anyway. Not better, not worst but different.
zappythegreat 2 years ago 2
Genesis without Gabriel is like the Rolling Stones without Jagger or the Pistols without Lydon. It just doesn't work.
strangeparty 2 years ago
YES! you pinned it. thats exactly what i said
sceptile759 2 years ago
Really? Where did you say it?
strangeparty 2 years ago
The "many" fans who prefer post Gabriel Genesis were not old enough to have seen the 5 man classic line-up.
I know of no Genesis fans of my era prefering Collins to Gabriel.
Gabriel, as frontman/vocalist/performer with Genesis, was in a different league to Collins - and I saw both during the 70s
MrPapaBill 2 years ago 2
anyone who knows the history of genesis knows that Phil had Peters blessing to move forward with the music while stewarding the legacy that was Gabriel. As it happened Phil Collins totally made the music his own and many fans prefer the Collins versions of Gabriel classics, while adoring the future music that Peter provided. Love them both, that's what i say
venturecrew06 2 years ago 23
peters better
sceptile759 2 years ago
@venturecrew06 True, Phil even did drums on Peter's solo albums(some)
eleventhsun 1 year ago
@venturecrew06 if this didnt happen we wouldnt have had the greatest song ever Salisbury hill!
fmjiceman 1 year ago
@venturecrew06 "As it happened Phil Collins totally made the music his own and many fans prefer the Collins versions of Gabriel classics, while adoring the future music that Peter provided."
That perfectly describes my view of the situation. Gabriel was a dynamic showman, but his vocal performance with Genesis was total, utter, unmitigated CRAP. Frankly, it seemed as thought the songs were out of his range or something, and they were destined for Phil's interpretation. Solo, Gabriel is great.
1776Matthew 7 months ago
hmm wonder whos the most successful person in genesis, wow i think its phil collins, btw I love peter gabriel but his voice did not sound good back then sorry all that caterwalling was not cute
sistermadlyus 2 years ago
at last!! someone who knows what the fuck they are on about!!!
i totally agree
TheUtubesuxass 2 years ago
Alright, look, I think it's fair to say that both Phil and Peter were talented artists, or they wouldn't have made it so far.
The fact is Peter left Genesis, they had to continue, and Phil was the best they could get. The fans wanted to hear old and new stuff, so Phil had to do his best at singing Peter's lyrics. Personally, I think they could've done a lot worse for a replacement.
No one can ever replace Peter Gabriel, so lay off ok? Phil did what he could and that's good enough for me.
Shaggyshadric 2 years ago 19
@Shaggyshadric
The only bad part of Phil taking over the lead, was that he could no longer play the kind of drums that would have kept him in the same percussion circles as Carl Palmer, Bill Bruford and Neil Peart...
queencitykids 1 year ago 2
@queencitykids and Phil wasn't nearly the same showman Peter was. I like them both, don't get me wrong, but I do wish there was a few more Peter Gabriel Genesis albums out there. He had a very unique style in those years that no one has now, not even him. btw, I'm mad at Peter cause he ditched the induction of Genesis to the rock and roll hall of fame. I wanted to see him there :[
Shaggyshadric 1 year ago
@Shaggyshadric Just imagine what it would be like if Peter reformed with Genesis for one more album....
readinguni99 1 year ago
@readinguni99 wow, imagine... dont make me imagine it! now i feel nostalgic...
ElFlakoRompanTodo 1 year ago
@readinguni99 though we could start a fans movement to try and make it happen! posting at genesis videos and facebook, etc internet power!
ElFlakoRompanTodo 1 year ago
@queencitykids phll was much better...on the drums and everything else, just like reni in the stone roses
EVERTONIC 1 year ago
is this the version phil collins sings
cause its not as good as with peter
Collins should stick to the kit, its what he is good at
Platosucks 2 years ago
Great!
LesPaulGoldTop21 2 years ago
Phill STFU You ruined the song
dplouro 2 years ago
not as easy as it looks, is it collins?
here's an idea: why don't you drive the band into mediocrity?
averyellis 2 years ago
better yet, stick to drums, it's what you're good at.
averyellis 2 years ago
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what the fuck do you know about music you sad yank cunt, now fuck off and listen to some middle of the road mindless yank crap.
TheUtubesuxass 2 years ago
why do you love phil collins so much, suxass?
is it because of "sussudio"?
or the "ricky, don't lose my number" song?
or his "miami vice" appearances?
or his disney's "tarzan" soundtrack?
Or is it because you really ARE phil collins trolling around YouTube under the incredibly hypocritical nome de plume "TheUtubesuxass"?
averyellis 2 years ago
well the songs you suggest in your vast chasm of musical knowledge says it all :O))
enjoy what's left of your sad existence.
TheUtubesuxass 2 years ago
go listen to your meaningless songs that sound like a person was singing drunk while we listen to something good.
sceptile759 2 years ago
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TheUtubesuxass 2 years ago
mit das beste was es gibt
danke
HIGHLANDCATTEL 2 years ago
I didnt kniw Teen Wolf could sing! What about Stylez?
MelbaToast454 2 years ago
LOL
hwicki 2 years ago
This song is so easy a caveman can do it!! :)
Sorry, I just had too!
fallof67 2 years ago
LOL
hwicki 2 years ago
The end of The Musical Box always gives me goosebumps! Fantastic!
toodlebug500 2 years ago 3
It is Bill.
Joelesque 2 years ago
Sorry Guys! I was wrong it is CHESTER THOMPSON! You can see him once.
Joelesque 2 years ago
You're absolutely correct. Bruford toured with the band only on the Trick tour of 1976; this film was done on the Wind tour, by which point Steve hadn't yet left and Chester had joined.
Drchainsaw77 2 years ago
Seconds out was taken from Paris, France recordings in 1976 & 1977. Bruford played drums on cinema show on the album from 1976
TheUtubesuxass 2 years ago
Fd* Aye, Vesa Aaltonen, Almost, Most Certain, Herr Kaptein.
isisatanen 2 years ago
nice
orgyfanx 2 years ago
I'm not so sure Phil is a clueless as everyone wants to make him out to be.
Early Genesis: He had by lines on most of the songs with Tony Banks.
He figured out the money part quick, Mike Rutherford eventually did (but not until later) and didn't hit at the same level.
Phil is now one of the richest men alive.
Call it sellout if you want, but I sure as heck wouldn't call it clueless.
ilovemred 2 years ago 2
Phil is fucking clueless
2enz2 2 years ago
Phil is an okay vocalist. I mean, he did a great job with Genesis after Peter left, but his voice doesn't match Pete's ferocity on this song. Still, A Trick of the Tail is a great follow-up to this album, even if it sounds COMPLETELY different than this masterpiece.
LOSTHOMEY1 2 years ago
who is drumming here?
ColdBuffetKing 2 years ago
Bill Bruford, I think, but I'm not totally sure.
Someone who knows it can help us?
Is it Bill Bruford drumming or someone else?
thesantoshow93 2 years ago
thinking that it is Bruford because Hackett was still in the band....
PJBleek 2 years ago
Yeah, now I remember..
It's "seconds out" isn't it?
thesantoshow93 2 years ago
it looks like the lineup short before Steve left the band. that means Chester drums. I think Bill was only for a few shows hired till they found someone with whom Phil felt comfortable..but I don't know exactly
09Blackadder 2 years ago
It pisses me off that you rarely see Steve Hackett playing his soaring lead work especially on Carpet Crawlers. It was his guitar sound that made me listen to Genesis in the first place.
swinetrek 2 years ago 2
classic music..big fan of the gabriel and collins genesis.even ray wilson had his moments.suck on that nerds
meswakidiggler 2 years ago 3
he played with zappa, u fools
EVERTONIC 2 years ago
what about chester??
cmon
EVERTONIC 2 years ago
I have to agree with what Peter Gabriel said, Phil might sing these songs better, but not quite like how peter did.
Shaggyshadric 2 years ago
Its true. I think that Peter help Genesis to be notice mostly because of Peter's showman habilites, and Phil pushed Genesis to a more open public. Both do a great work, like depeche mode with David Gaham and Martin Gore they sound the same.
fvalverdelara 2 years ago
Does anybody else ever "trip" on how Phil Collins and Peter Gabriel both had that high pitched, hissy, sound in their voice. They were very similar sounding in alot of ways (Big fan here, so don't insult me, I know my old and new Genesis). They really have a similar sound. Maybe it's an English thang...
dudeokdude 2 years ago
Yes they did. The timbre in their voices are similar. That's why Phil being the singer worked.
PeterMayer 2 years ago
people love familiarity
MysteryClown000 2 years ago
I hate how steve is rarely shown.
butcherbird52 3 years ago
Yeah ! I quite agree with you, perhaps Tony told the film crew not to shoot Steve, HA HA HA, I'm just kidding, cheers !
trevizons 2 years ago
for some reason it seems the tempo (live) was
never the same as when gabriel sang it live???
frododarg 3 years ago
(Based upon my hearing this version here and the SO version) I would agree with you - the live version tempo seems faster...personally, I prefer a slower tempo - faster versions may leave less "breathing room" for a song
davss5 2 years ago
ohhh damn. My bad. Well, same applies because I love them both :P
xXTheJokerXx 3 years ago
ahhhh peter gabriel was such a hippie caveman! hahahaa I love him :D <3
xXTheJokerXx 3 years ago
sorry friend, that is Phil Collins singing
ozxyeuwh 3 years ago 5
what was with the staticky thing
weirdguy59 3 years ago
Excellent! This one goes into the favorites.
These (along with dance on a volcano) were really the ones I missed the most on the TIOA tour.
ClearJack 3 years ago
Genesis is Peter Gabriel...
ayubtawasne 3 years ago
Looks like Phil was cultivating too much facial furniture so God took it all away from him prematurely
PissteethJenkins 3 years ago 3
lol looks like it was already going away from the top so Phil just overcompensated by growing a whole bushel on the bottom
craigjones21 3 years ago
what a man!!!!!!! whooooooohooooooooooooo
atkezsagin 3 years ago
Ah... When Phil Collins had hair...
Hehe
brodie1600 3 years ago 5
Can't wait for your nobody ass to age. WTF does that have to do with anything?
PeterMayer 3 years ago
why are bands afraid to do this anymore? Sad
deltarider209 3 years ago 2
what do you mean? Genesis toured just last year...
robaksha 3 years ago
go to college town Esp. Austin. You can still catch bands that still lke altering reality.
silkydraws 3 years ago
One super great band, one super great C.D.
KarkTugaEdu 3 years ago
Awesome!
Helus72 3 years ago
chester = tastefull
LPcustom76 3 years ago
And what, pray tell, does Steve Hackett have against the Dallas Cowboys? Does this have anything to do with Gabriel's departure?
jasmoran66 3 years ago
i saw a musical box concert at the bell center a few years ago in montreal..they where right on!!! didnt miss a note!!!
parkinsouth 4 years ago
My favorite Genesis song. Reminds of a time in my life when my only worries were grades, girls and beer.
partygirlwholovesny 4 years ago 7
You mean there's more to worry about than that?
airacsum 3 years ago 4
pot. at some point pot comes in the equation too.
zarras123 3 years ago
Phil Collins sounds exactly like Peter Gabriel on 'The Musical Box'. Great performance!
ajittffcure 4 years ago
Nice song! That time phil knew to use the sticks pretty good.
chabio 4 years ago
where is peter gabriel ?? :(
rauna84 4 years ago