OBITUARY: SDDS. Sony Dynamic Digital Sound is dying and being overthrown by the imperial forces of Dolby. Thus, SDDS8 mixes won't be preserved for home video. Those hard workers from the mixing studio will be blackmailed by shitty Dolby TrueHD and DTSHDMA 5.1 mixes. 7.1 can be done, but the speaker position is inappropriate for SDDS.
I remember seeing this for the first time at Last Action Hero. One of my roommates at the time did a bunch of the particle effects animation for this logo at the early SPImageworks offices. I think they were using Wavefront Dynamation at the time.
Sony SDDS used the ATRAC audio compression system, which was originally designed for their MiniDisc format. The version of ATRAC used in SDDS was called ATRAC-PRO and used a more sophisticated masking and bit allocation algorithm, plus it had 20-bit performance as compared to the 18-bit performance of the consumer MiniDisc. The DVD format has had, from the launch, 2.5 mbp/s of space set aside for the 'home' version of SDDS, but Sony never developed it.
@MisterWub the first time i saw the SDDS trailer was when i went to see jumanji. p.s. i am still looking for the second SDDS trailer (the one where the SDDS logo is in a volcano) if anybody has it, that would be great. thanks
@morrowindsky 10.2 is a likely possibility. I think it's evolving very slowly. Since it's not so much an audio as a digital thing it has to be compared with other digital media which is growing exponentially. If we could encode 4 channels in the 80s and 6 channels in the early 90s when a "big" hard drive was 500 megabytes why in the fuck are we still on 6 channel audio when hard drives are over a terrabyte.
@morrowindsky yeah. But i think that what's hindering new systems (beyond "matrixed channel" systems) from being developed is the time it takes to mix it all. I mean think about it. Say we wanted to make an awesome surround mix. It would be easy to make a one minute video or music track in 30 channels for instance. But for a whole movie it would take forever.Unless we find a way to program a computer to automatically mix and master surround sound, doing it manually will never get faster.
@1DanielChristensen Video games can already dynamically use surround sound. Most modern PC games actually utilize surround sound.
It reads the origin of a sound and calculates its position in accordance to the camera or player. Movies, however, do take a lot more time.
It could be done with sound production in movies as well. If a low-poly 3D model of the area in the scene is created, and a moving point of origin for the sound in that scene is made, it could compute the position by itself.
@morrowindsky Well then why ain't they doin' it! lol there must be a reason related to the rigourousness of mapping and mixing it all. Because we've had 8 channel SDDS at our disposl since 1993 but less than 100 movies were mixed in it. I've even asked movie theaters. they all say they are set up for six channel SDDS only.
@dolphinsattack then why is the sdds trailer not in theaters anymore? i miss the thx and sdds trailers, it seems that the only way to enjoy the digital sound like in the theaters is if you have a home theater. i know it was loud as hell but it was fun and one time my brother, me, my mom and dad, and my brothers friend issac where at the theater and the thx thing came on and if felt so lound, after the trailer my brother and is friend got up on there seats and shouted "the audience is now deaf"
Classic logo for a dead format. This is Sonys or was Sonys answer to AC-3 and DTS not THX. It had a maximum of 8 channels where as the others only supported 6 channels. Ah the good old days.
Sony SDDS "Sony" is an audio codec, like MP3, it compresses audio to fit in a small place, like a 35MM film strip for a movie. THX is a set of standards and guidelines for accurately playing back motion pictures in a theater and now a home theater. They are completely different things but work wonderfully when combined. For example, Decoding a movie in 8CH SDDS audio in a THX Certified theater. The quality would be total madness.
Okay, but I'm talking about movies also. If you notice, NONE of Sony's(including the VHS releases of Columbia or TriStar) material use any of THX's supplies, which, if you remember, also does DVDs, LaserDisc(and formerly VHSs as well). In fact, I haven't seen any Columbia or TriStar release from Sony that uses(or used) THX in their logo. So you're right, but if you really think about it, THX IS a competitor to Sony, maybe not directly, but somewhat.
I'm really not sure. I would expect to see this in theaters that only Columbia, or TriStar Pictures would release(that goes for Screen Gems as well, since that company is from Sony). The best advice that I can give you is that if you have a Columbia, TriStar, or Screen Gems DVD, check on there.
@VHSGuy2049 None. Sony decided not to make a home version of SDDS. Nowadays all three sound systems are used by all of the studios in the theatres, but all either release in Dolby Digital or DTS for DVD and Dolby Digital, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD for Blu-Ray. Eventually, though, I think Hollywood's finally settling on DTS-HD as the preferred audio format for Blu-Ray.
This is basically Sony's "competitive" awnser to THX, trying to come up with a sound system of their own instead of using THX's. As a result, on almost all of Columbia-TriStar(single companies or together) VHS and DVD releases, they use a little trailer called "Surround Sound", so you know if it's Sony, they've got their own equpiment with surround sound!
if only i had a home theater, that way i would remember how loud this logo was. when i saw jumanji this came on before the movie started and it was louder than a jet engin (in my opinion). look out thx because here comes sony!!!
Sony never intended to have SDDS for the home market. As of now, they're movie theater exclusive. This is a kick-ass system, to me, it's better than DTS.
AMC used to install SDDS as their surround sound system of choice for all of their theaters. But in 2003, they replaced all SDDS systems, as well as DTS, with Dolby Digital and Dolby Stereo systems in all screens, including those Loews theaters that sony once owned. Pretty soon SDDS will soon give way to future 8 channel or more surround formats by DTS as well as Dolby.
SDDS isn't really a surround format, it's more of a standard of recording. The only true contenders in surround is Dolby Digital and my favorite, DTS. Hence the reason SDDS is not featured on ANY Home Theater receiver. Not even the best of the best, and it never will. DTS HD MA is the highest quality of audio that there is, period. It's a 100% exact duplicate as the original Master Audio track created in the studio.
@kascnef82 the first trailer premiered with "Last Action Hero", the second full trailer, which was also cut up into multiple trailers, debuted with "Godzilla". I first saw an SDDS trailer before Batman Forever, and that was cool. Sometimes the theater would black out the screen and play the sound before the movie began, as it was the case with "Batman and Robin". I wish Sony would come up with a new trailer for SDDS. The last movie to use 8 channel sdds was "Surf's Up".
i don't remember going to a movie using this format...though the movie theatre used to promote this system when i was a kid i don't remeber the ensign and i don't know if it's still working...the only format that every thatre use nowadays arround here is dolby digital and you make sure bc of the ensign at the entrance of the auditorium.
most movies use it. i just dont think they advertise it. i think they prioritise SDDS, then dolby digital, then analog stereo (this is on 35mm film im talking about, not digital).
I would love to have this trailer in HD quality :( But even with the quality of this video, this is one of the best trailers ever made.
PS3HouseMDPL 11 months ago
OBITUARY: SDDS. Sony Dynamic Digital Sound is dying and being overthrown by the imperial forces of Dolby. Thus, SDDS8 mixes won't be preserved for home video. Those hard workers from the mixing studio will be blackmailed by shitty Dolby TrueHD and DTSHDMA 5.1 mixes. 7.1 can be done, but the speaker position is inappropriate for SDDS.
RkivUnderground 1 year ago
I remember seeing this for the first time at Last Action Hero. One of my roommates at the time did a bunch of the particle effects animation for this logo at the early SPImageworks offices. I think they were using Wavefront Dynamation at the time.
perfectseanie 1 year ago
@perfectseanie That was actually one of the first films to use Sony Dynamic Digital Sound.
RetroVideoFan 1 year ago
I've never seen this logo on any film. I had heard of the system. Anyone have a clip of philips failed 5.1 system?
martybhoy72 1 year ago
Sony SDDS used the ATRAC audio compression system, which was originally designed for their MiniDisc format. The version of ATRAC used in SDDS was called ATRAC-PRO and used a more sophisticated masking and bit allocation algorithm, plus it had 20-bit performance as compared to the 18-bit performance of the consumer MiniDisc. The DVD format has had, from the launch, 2.5 mbp/s of space set aside for the 'home' version of SDDS, but Sony never developed it.
lovemylogics 1 year ago
First time I saw this was right before The Last Action Hero started.
MisterWub 1 year ago
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megaben99 1 year ago
@MisterWub the first time i saw the SDDS trailer was when i went to see jumanji. p.s. i am still looking for the second SDDS trailer (the one where the SDDS logo is in a volcano) if anybody has it, that would be great. thanks
megaben99 1 year ago
@megaben99 It's already on YouTube, just search "SDDS Volcano"
lastgarlicfinger 1 year ago
@lastgarlicfinger thanks. now if you will excuse me, i have to go stop joe from jumping into that volcano.
megaben99 1 year ago
SDDS is only available in theaters. eBay has processors and other equipment on sale.
unixsuperuser 1 year ago
SDDS is still widely used just no equipment is being designed of manufactured anymore. Watch end of credits to verify codecs on major releases.
unixsuperuser 1 year ago
less than 100 movies were mixed in true 8 channel SDDS. The rest of the few thousand SDDS mixes were six channel SDDS; now SDDS is fading away.
1DanielChristensen 1 year ago
Things like this make me wonder just what the next step in theater audio playback and enhancement just might be.
morrowindsky 1 year ago
@morrowindsky 10.2 is a likely possibility. I think it's evolving very slowly. Since it's not so much an audio as a digital thing it has to be compared with other digital media which is growing exponentially. If we could encode 4 channels in the 80s and 6 channels in the early 90s when a "big" hard drive was 500 megabytes why in the fuck are we still on 6 channel audio when hard drives are over a terrabyte.
1DanielChristensen 1 year ago
@1DanielChristensen I suppose it's just something we'll have to wait and see. I guarantee you, when it happens, I'll be having an eargasm.
morrowindsky 1 year ago
@morrowindsky yeah. But i think that what's hindering new systems (beyond "matrixed channel" systems) from being developed is the time it takes to mix it all. I mean think about it. Say we wanted to make an awesome surround mix. It would be easy to make a one minute video or music track in 30 channels for instance. But for a whole movie it would take forever.Unless we find a way to program a computer to automatically mix and master surround sound, doing it manually will never get faster.
1DanielChristensen 1 year ago
@1DanielChristensen Video games can already dynamically use surround sound. Most modern PC games actually utilize surround sound.
It reads the origin of a sound and calculates its position in accordance to the camera or player. Movies, however, do take a lot more time.
It could be done with sound production in movies as well. If a low-poly 3D model of the area in the scene is created, and a moving point of origin for the sound in that scene is made, it could compute the position by itself.
morrowindsky 1 year ago
@morrowindsky Well then why ain't they doin' it! lol there must be a reason related to the rigourousness of mapping and mixing it all. Because we've had 8 channel SDDS at our disposl since 1993 but less than 100 movies were mixed in it. I've even asked movie theaters. they all say they are set up for six channel SDDS only.
1DanielChristensen 1 year ago
@1DanielChristensen It's possible that budget constraints cause that.
After all, setting up an 8-channel system is pretty costly for large auditoriums such as theaters.
morrowindsky 1 year ago
SDDS is featured in a handfull of movies, Avatar used it. You can tell which movies use it by watching the end credits, they'll show the SDDS symbol.
dolphinsattack 1 year ago
SDDS is only for theaters, you can't get it for home use on any reciever. They still make movies with SDDS, Avatar used it.
dolphinsattack 1 year ago
@dolphinsattack then why is the sdds trailer not in theaters anymore? i miss the thx and sdds trailers, it seems that the only way to enjoy the digital sound like in the theaters is if you have a home theater. i know it was loud as hell but it was fun and one time my brother, me, my mom and dad, and my brothers friend issac where at the theater and the thx thing came on and if felt so lound, after the trailer my brother and is friend got up on there seats and shouted "the audience is now deaf"
megaben99 1 year ago
(^^^)
xiong071 1 year ago
Nick And Norah's Infinite Playlist Was Presented In SDDS As Well As DTS And Dolby Digital 5.1 Sound.
55ifyprincess 1 year ago
"Breaking the digital sound barrier", more like breaking my EARDRUM barrier!
TheComicfreak10 2 years ago
SDDS is almost eliminated ....AMC has started relacing this with DD processors.
vinodsreehari 2 years ago
Classic logo for a dead format. This is Sonys or was Sonys answer to AC-3 and DTS not THX. It had a maximum of 8 channels where as the others only supported 6 channels. Ah the good old days.
unixsuperuser 2 years ago
But does Sony use any of THX's material?
vzeu019j 2 years ago
Sony SDDS "Sony" is an audio codec, like MP3, it compresses audio to fit in a small place, like a 35MM film strip for a movie. THX is a set of standards and guidelines for accurately playing back motion pictures in a theater and now a home theater. They are completely different things but work wonderfully when combined. For example, Decoding a movie in 8CH SDDS audio in a THX Certified theater. The quality would be total madness.
unixsuperuser 2 years ago
Okay, but I'm talking about movies also. If you notice, NONE of Sony's(including the VHS releases of Columbia or TriStar) material use any of THX's supplies, which, if you remember, also does DVDs, LaserDisc(and formerly VHSs as well). In fact, I haven't seen any Columbia or TriStar release from Sony that uses(or used) THX in their logo. So you're right, but if you really think about it, THX IS a competitor to Sony, maybe not directly, but somewhat.
vzeu019j 2 years ago
A VHS of "Men in Black" from 1997 has a THX logo after the Surround Sound logo.
Also, what DVD's from Columbia-Tristar have this, or at least have a SDDS logo?
VHSGuy2049 2 years ago
I'm really not sure. I would expect to see this in theaters that only Columbia, or TriStar Pictures would release(that goes for Screen Gems as well, since that company is from Sony). The best advice that I can give you is that if you have a Columbia, TriStar, or Screen Gems DVD, check on there.
vzeu019j 2 years ago
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wbsteerfilms 2 years ago
Go away you stalker.
VHSGuy2049 2 years ago
Also, you beg up and down for users passwords (like you're going to hack somebody).
VHSGuy2049 2 years ago
@VHSGuy2049 None. Sony decided not to make a home version of SDDS. Nowadays all three sound systems are used by all of the studios in the theatres, but all either release in Dolby Digital or DTS for DVD and Dolby Digital, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD for Blu-Ray. Eventually, though, I think Hollywood's finally settling on DTS-HD as the preferred audio format for Blu-Ray.
cubdukat 1 year ago
Okay, I was wrong on some of my information, THX does do SOME releases from Sony, but not ALL of them.
vzeu019j 2 years ago
This is basically Sony's "competitive" awnser to THX, trying to come up with a sound system of their own instead of using THX's. As a result, on almost all of Columbia-TriStar(single companies or together) VHS and DVD releases, they use a little trailer called "Surround Sound", so you know if it's Sony, they've got their own equpiment with surround sound!
vzeu019j 2 years ago
<3 esdds
TRELOFAKI 2 years ago
if only i had a home theater, that way i would remember how loud this logo was. when i saw jumanji this came on before the movie started and it was louder than a jet engin (in my opinion). look out thx because here comes sony!!!
megaben99 2 years ago
The Best Trailer EVER!
Nlangkirby135 2 years ago
well one of the best trailer EVER!!!
daltex81 2 years ago
does anybody have the second SDDS trailer? it was on youtube for a few days and somebody took it off, i though the other sdds trailer was the best.
megaben99 2 years ago
what happend to that sdds trailer that went through the forest and into a volcano?
megaben99 3 years ago
I saw this before "Space Jam" at the AMC 18 Dublin Theatres back in '97.
Ian16545 3 years ago
4 Fillers are everything.
Than any of that, SDDS is really
pure HD sound format
than ever before since 1993.
malmsimp 3 years ago
Let's play some SDDS Prism Minus-Soccer!
malmsimp 3 years ago
We have failed!
Aaaaaaahhhhhh!
malmsimp 3 years ago
Sony never intended to have SDDS for the home market. As of now, they're movie theater exclusive. This is a kick-ass system, to me, it's better than DTS.
darkpitch1 3 years ago 3
When is SDDS going to be in home theaters?
MBpictures 3 years ago
that trailer of sdds is played before anastasia
pinkemocat 3 years ago
I love this trailer! I haven't seen it in years, I'm glad you uploaded it, I've always love the 8 channel SDDS sound format!
200wingfilms 3 years ago
AMC used to install SDDS as their surround sound system of choice for all of their theaters. But in 2003, they replaced all SDDS systems, as well as DTS, with Dolby Digital and Dolby Stereo systems in all screens, including those Loews theaters that sony once owned. Pretty soon SDDS will soon give way to future 8 channel or more surround formats by DTS as well as Dolby.
kascnef82 3 years ago
SDDS isn't really a surround format, it's more of a standard of recording. The only true contenders in surround is Dolby Digital and my favorite, DTS. Hence the reason SDDS is not featured on ANY Home Theater receiver. Not even the best of the best, and it never will. DTS HD MA is the highest quality of audio that there is, period. It's a 100% exact duplicate as the original Master Audio track created in the studio.
Site4Animation 3 years ago
Dolby TrueHD is also Lossless 100% "exact duplicate as the original Master Audio track created in the studio".
elpatriotaLX 3 years ago
@kascnef82 the first trailer premiered with "Last Action Hero", the second full trailer, which was also cut up into multiple trailers, debuted with "Godzilla". I first saw an SDDS trailer before Batman Forever, and that was cool. Sometimes the theater would black out the screen and play the sound before the movie began, as it was the case with "Batman and Robin". I wish Sony would come up with a new trailer for SDDS. The last movie to use 8 channel sdds was "Surf's Up".
kascnef82 10 months ago
i don't remember going to a movie using this format...though the movie theatre used to promote this system when i was a kid i don't remeber the ensign and i don't know if it's still working...the only format that every thatre use nowadays arround here is dolby digital and you make sure bc of the ensign at the entrance of the auditorium.
murdlok 4 years ago
most movies use it. i just dont think they advertise it. i think they prioritise SDDS, then dolby digital, then analog stereo (this is on 35mm film im talking about, not digital).
widerangledotcom 3 years ago
I remember this ad from when I was a kid...
even now, it still annoys the hell out of me.
AngelofMusic04 4 years ago
Hardly any domestic gear outside the US offers this standard!
AnthonyUK 4 years ago
First released in 1991.
Northbird21 4 years ago
actually 1993, with Last Action Hero. 1991 was the year when it was supposed to come out, with Hook as the first movie to use the format.
kascnef82 4 years ago
thanks for uploading this!!!
kascnef82 4 years ago