Rook Hawkins on Ascension of Jesus

[fortheloveoftheblood]

Good grief, you butchered that subject.

[warriorprince1010]

The greatest miracle is the creation. Once you accept Go has greater power than Humans then everything else fits. Go does not live within natural laws, we have no idea what laws apply in the world Go lives in. Jesus was a spirit when he ascended to heaven.

[warriorprince1010]

The greatest miracle is the creation. Once you accept Go has greater power than Humans then everything else fits. Go does not live within natural laws, we have no idea what alws apply in the world Go lives in. Jesus was a spirit when he ascended to heaven.

[tele2tone]

Even in the Old Testament, the word "cloud" is almost always used to describe the presence or movement of God--at least in the physical dimension.

I caution you to not place your own understanding above God's. What if God and the angels use technology so unfathomably advanced that it makes any descriptive words in Greek seem ridiculous?

The more we enter into the space age, the more Gods Word becomes even more plausible.

[yahhful]

The answer to everything is the creator "God". We were created. We are inferior. What you are doing is questioning the the divine. I'm a christian but i'm always reading into history and the possibilities of how we became. Ascension, ressurection, angels, heaven, etc. It doesn't matter. God is capable of anything. I don't care if the bible talks about animal crackers carrying Jesus to the pearly gates. You are ignorant. Your not dumb, you just know alot about what isn't so.

[ifusuckilltellu]

May God bless your soul *Shaking My Head*

[migkillertwo]

"its silent on what happens afterward" isn't that a good thing? I mean, the authors would not have actually known if they were their to witness the ascension.

[B1ackHo1eSun]

Who made this guy the Bible expert? May God have mercy on him.

[DarthDrizzt]

@B1ackHo1eSun

who made anyone a bible expert... idiot. He obvioulsy has the presence of mind to question it unlike you.

[sandrajean08]

Heaven isn't a physical place.

Would never read any of those book and would never sit through your class other than to argue with you.

[Eshim906]

This is exactly what gets me about Christians. They are fine being ignorant of science and history just so they can hang on to faith. I say if you have a problem Rook's points, read the books, prove him wrong, prove academia wrong. Don't just go on believing Wyatt and Hovind are real scientists.

[B1ackHo1eSun]

This is his opinion.

[someweirdgayguy]

Wow... its a pitty I won't remember anything you said after I log off... But its me not you, this isn't my field... I haven't decided what my field is but... this isn't it.

[82jp]

cont. from below... quantum mechanics hints at the existence of other dimensions. If indeed Christ did disappear, perhaps he was able to cross over into another dimension. There is speculation that the physicality of Christ's body after the resurrection was different than it was before. You have to take into consideration that he could have had different physical capabilities than he had before.

[dookdawg214]

If you watch the video, he dedicates more criticism on the validity and historicity of the accounts than the physical 'problems' of a flesh-and-blood ascension. Magical myths can explain away physical properties, but they don't put a dent in historical idiocy.

[82jp]

Your summary is a bit misleading because you spent more time talking about sources than about the actual problems with the ascension. Maybe Christ ascended but actually went elsewhere on the earth? The Mormons think he went to the U.S.- some others think he went to India. Maybe Christ is still walking the earth today but disguised...

[scrubdub07]

Rook Hawkins is a liar and really doesn't understand nor care to understand the important truths of christianity.

[sigimex]

I would like to know seomthing though. If that is the ONLY way to God's Salvation, then what happens to all the BILLIONS of people who came before Jesus including the Jews? Why wasn't this trinity ever mentioned once in any older scriptures including the Bible itself? isn't it possible that you are reading more into the text than realy was. Isn't it possible that "Son of God" is merely a way to bestow honor on a great servant of God a prophet for example?

[dookdawg214]

God had a deep disdain for Paleo-Indians and Asians. For God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son... to just one tiny little desert region of the world... that whosoever be among the lucky inhabitants to live in this tiny little desert region and get the Good News and believe in him... shall not perish but have everlasting life. Amen.

[KingsloseCrowns]

but somehow you heard about him?

[Rantandreason]

Awesome response! You totally answered why god never bothered to tell the Indians and Asians OF THE DAY!

And of course he's heard of it. That's what happens with a myth based on fear used to control the populace. It spreads like a disease.

[KingsloseCrowns]

firsly, if you take into consideration the context in wich god first revealed himself to this "one tiny little deser region," then you'll see why he had to do it that way. secondly, its not all black and white: god revealed himself to these people and not to those, so these are saved and those are not. theres a gray area even to this day. if god is fair and just then how could he damn someone who never had the chance to hear about him? there's alot to sya on this topic and id be happy to discus

[Eshim906]

And you have heard of Zeus, your point is?

[KingsloseCrowns]

yeah, i heard of him. and your point is?

[alto99]

There IS proof of his existance and planned sacrifice of Jesus. If your serious about the truth regaurdless of your up bringing go to biblecodedigestcom I warn you, You will beleive and face the decision of professing it to all. Jesus said "he who is ashamed of me before men, I will be ashamed of before my father" the odds that the codes are by chance are in some cases are as low as 1 in 225,900,with 210 more zero's! proving God super naturally inspired it.

[dookdawg214]

People who believe in that Bible code crap are in desperate need of a statistics class. There are six people in my family. What are the odds that one family would have birthdays on 1/12, 2/17, 8/9, 9/14, 12/2 and 4/14? Answer: 0.000000000000000423. That's less than one in a thousand trillion!! Holy shit, that's close to impossible!!

[dookdawg214]

Given the amazingly vast number of characters in the Hebrew books, and the fact that there are no spaces and no vowels, I think it'd be more mysterious if there were NOT phrases like 'fuck off, your mom's a slut'. I hate that I just entertained your stupid comment, but it pains me to know that people are as brain-dead as you.

[bdmjintx]

wow, lazy much? couldn't turn around and get the better vesion

[octopibingo]

You are a captive of your preconceived ideas of how many dimensions there are.

[Rivaneagle]

you are captive of captivating captivation of a captivating captor relying on inconsistent logie for sure.

[octopibingo]

You are one-dimensional.

[RookHawk]

I thought everyone was within the third-dimension? Wouldn't that make me three-dimensional?

[octopibingo]

I refer to Rivaneagle's thought processes, such as they are.

[Eris198]

Thanks, I had never considered the whole ascention thing. If heaven isn't in the clouds as we now know it isn't. Why ascend, why not fade slowly, or a rift open up? Why ascend? Because it didn't happen. The primitives didn't know what was above the clouds and believed heaven to be there. Thanks for opening my eyes.

[Kajo75]

inspiring use of scholarship

[bonoboboy41]

Faith is a fundamental misuse of our minds. It innoculates us against reason. You're doing an amazing job of research, but I'm concerned that we apatheists and athiests and skeptics aren't preaching for the choir.

[RookHawk]

There are plenty of fence sitters who will watch this and other videos, Bono. =) I hope they walk away with a new understanding of an old legend.

[qxdc]

wow

"lol, did jesus like fly in heaven, doesnt that mean heaven is in the sky, but we have planes that go up there, and like lol we found no heaven therefore atheism"

what the hell is this, 1st grade atheism? Holy crap.

[Dante626]

Sometimes you have to get down on the first grader's level to have them understand. But you seem to have ignored the rest of the video if you think the video was a case of "1st grade atheism."

[RookHawk]

Yes, that is exactly what I said...nice strawman, by the way. You continue to impress with your stunning intellect. *eye roll*

[madeleinekay]

5 stars as usual; I'm so glad that there are people saying this stuff! Keep it up!

[Rivaneagle]

Rook, Please make more videos along the same lines as this one. This was great, factual, and heavily referenced. Thank you!

[RookHawk]

As ordered, Rineagle. =)

[Alnog]

When people did not understand what was on the other side of the clouds, they made shit up about it. When people did not know what was beyond the sea, they made shit up about it.

Over time our people learn. Creationism is just fad.

[aaronzzz1980]

Im going to go ahead and give the "Christian" Response to every complicated question I've ever asked them...." GOD DID IT!!!...DON'T QUESTION OR THINK.....JUST PRAISE THE LORD!!!" ................... And JESUS Said on to his believers, Pull on thy finger of the lord, to expel the foul demons from this sacred Body and hence, Repent and be free of sin.

[zemogcyborg]

great work Rook.thanks

[FrankieBoombatts]

The Devil made those books to push you away from the truth!..

5*

[Edweird2w1]

I find it no more silly than the Roman Catholic story of Mary's supposed assumption that was born of dogma.

which goes without saying how silly that whole concept is.

[anoptforout]

I wish I had a transcript of this. I'm [an "evangelical"] evolutionary biologist/geneticist and have found some entertainment and interest in the RRS movement. Rook, you have to be the most scholarly of the crew, I think it can be argued without anyone taking offense. While I excitedly await your publication, I can only relate to maybe 60% of yours historical allusions. What's a good summarizing read for someone who already has a packed reading schedule (10+ books at a time)?

[anoptforout]

"evangelical" meant spreading atheism, part of a moral complex; I think a logical lifestyle can correspond to a moral compass that even many religious people agree with: humanistic pragmatism (aversion to suffering/affinity to altruism) and collaborative generativity (people feel better when they CREATE vs DESTROY). A knowledge of history,science,logic,systems analysis allows one to CREATE schemata in academic/informal dialog in a more meaningful manner.

-clarifying "evangelical" & RRS support

[RookHawk]

Ahahah!

[thefakeyeti]

"The cloud was condensed to water"

Jesus can walk on water dumb fuck!

J/k, yes that seems silly. But I had to say that!

[loverich]

hehehehehe, you're right, rook forgot about that one!!:D ;)

[TheAtheistPaladin]

Thbe bible supports flat earth cosmology. The sky is a solid dome and heaven rest just on top of that. So it makes sense that he would fly up into the sky, when viewing in that light. But if heaven is on a etheral/spiritual plain, then your right it doesn't make much sense.

[TheAmazingMantis]

The Bible does not support a flat earth. It is speaking from the perspective of men -it looks flat. It says the earth is round, not flat. And the CLOUD was a heavenly cloud. Christ went through space into another dimension.

[TheAtheistPaladin]

If the bible was written from the perceptive of men then there is no grounds for claiming to be divinely inspired. None what so ever. Secondly, round is a two dimensional description. Sphere is what you are looking for and even so the bible doesn't hint that this "roundness" is in all three dimensions. Finally, the bible is chalk full of language that indicates a flat earth and has no other coherent meaning if you look at it "metaphorically."

[TheAmazingMantis]

No, the Biblical statement that the earth is a circle is written from the perspective of men. Not eveything in the Bible is a human perspective. The Bible is a history of divine revelation, not a system of beliefs.

[TheAtheistPaladin]

And a circle is two dimensional! Repeating your argument does nothing to make it true.

[ltsAboutJesus]

Can you and the rest of the squad dedicate a video to quantum tunneling as proof of god? Please debunk that if you can.

[Mjhavok]

If you original premise was true maybe they would debunk it. You made a statement. "Prove quantum tunnelling isn't proof of god." You prove it is then they will debunk it.

[RookHawk]

And I guess he walked on ice instead of water too, right? Come on, this is the worst case of trying to make the science fit the account. That is not how history works. Real historians see if the accounts match up to the science, not the other way around.

[theBigTakeover]

The latest theory is that he was standing on a bog and was lifted up by a cloud of methane.

[munkiiboi]

umm.. what?