Therefore, God has no need of being created, but, in fact, created the time dimension of our universe specifically for a reason - so that cause and effect would exist for us. However, since God created time, cause and effect would never apply to His existence.
God exists outside of time. Since we live in a universe of cause and effect, we naturally assume that this is the only way in which any kind of existence can function. However, the premise is false. Without the dimension of time, there is no cause and effect, and all things that could exist in such a realm would have no need of being caused, but would have always existed.
So, what you're saying is - no one can comprehend god. I would agree with that. So if no one can comprehend god, is it really a good idea to be worshiping him/her/it? You don't even know what you're worshiping.
pastor bob, the problem with your argument is that if everything has a creator as you say, then who created god? using your logic, he must have a creator too, so who created him?
The SETI Institute has been searching for life for over 50 years… all they need is a simple pattern to confirm intelligent life. An entire DNA sequence would fill 200 1,000-page New York City telephone directories. DNA is found in ALL living things. If you unwrap all the DNA you have in all your cells, you could reach the moon 6000 times! It would take a person typing 60 words per minute, eight hours a day, around 50 years to type the human genome.
A major dichotomy I've noticed between those who believe and those who dont: Pride. Christians realize they dont have all the answers to life and have put their trust in a higher power. That takes humility. But to me it seems atheists focus on self. "I know there's no God, I make my own way, I know what's right and what's wrong for myself" But oftentimes life throws a curveball that is beyond our understanding. What happens when "I" dont have the answers? God never changes and always gives hope.
@emils122 I disagree. I consider myself an atheist...but I don't claim to know there's no god. I view it more like - "Let's just assume there is a god...there's no way a human being could comprehend him/her/it. If this is true, then what is the point of worshiping it? You don't even know what you're worshiping."
I guess all will be revealed the day we all take the eternal slumber. So i guess you guys have a 50/50 chance of being right. I pray that you guys are happy with your choice of reasoning the day it happens. BTW Pastor Bob is no "ignorant dweeb" i dont see 6000 people showing up to your house every week to hear what YOU ALL have to teach.
@nomad6485 You do realize that hell was only mentioned 3 times in the bible...and it's never actually described as being an eternal place of torment. Hell was invented by priests to scare people...that is all.
There is no logical relationship between the construction of consumer goods by humans and creationism, Bob - that's silly. The bible says lots of things, Bob, and like your quotes, most of it's highly questionable. If there is a creator, Bob, there must be a creator of the creator, and a creator of the creator's creator etc, etc, so creationsim provides no answers. Oh, dear! The old illogical argument that 'morality comes from god' rears its ugly head again. Get some new material, Bob.
Morality meant to please a deity is the most shallow unjust form of morality. Too bad this yokel doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. As irrational as belief in supernatural beings is attributing morality to it your particular imaginary being is even more so. Answer me this, you stop a killer from murdering someone, is this moral? What if after you prevented the murder you find the killer had been ordered by your God to commit the killing, OH,OH! Christian brain fry!!!!!!!! LOL
Another ignorant dweeb quoting his old storybook as though it meant something to someone. The Holy Babble is just a book written by stupid men a few thousand yeas ago. It's not magic, it doesn't glow in the dark, the words don't rearrange themselves on the page to reveal secret messages. It just a old damn story book and until you can prove otherwise what it says in the book don't mean squat to any one without emotional problems.
I'm not sure what the interest is in an atheist being bold or unapologetic. We were condemned for being bold and unapologetic. We feel free these days to be open with our opinions. Let us both try to be bold as Christians and atheists in Iran. Go ahead, go to Iran and speak your opinions. You might get a taste of what it must have been like to be an atheist 50 years ago. Now you will hear from us.
There are no gods, it is nothing personal towards yours.
By all indications, everything that exists previously existed in a different form. There's no good reason for me to assume it hasn't always been that way.
Human morality is based on acceptance of the fact that we're human and applying our behavior towards others to ourselves. "If I don't want to be a victim, I should object to behavior which victimizes humans." Immoral or amoral people don't consider this.
The point in the video was that everything in this world has been created. God is the Creator...He transcends the creation thats why He is called God. Asking "who made God" is like asking were is the corner of a circle? there is none, if it had a corner it wouldn't be a circle in the same way if God needed to be created He wouldn't be God. You might say, "well then humans don't need to be created" no, humans are limited to the natural realm, God is supernatural. Conti-
See, everything he said that needs 'creation' can be watched. I can take you to a paper mill, or a chair factory; you can watch the actions it takes to make a baby. All of these things we KNOW are created because WE create them. Its the watchmaker argument, google it. Take me to god's universe factory, show me how it's done. Till then, it's a mere assertion backed by scripture that is out to prove itself. This video is one giant logical fallacy. Its not convincing in the least.
I'm sorry Sakar you lost me at watching the actions to make a baby and saying we create them. Do we create life? do we create a single cell which is much more complex then a watch? did we put the stars in their place? were we there to watch the creation of the universe? we watch a tree grow did we give it life? Sorry.. I don't see how what you've said negate the words in the video.
Taking your first statement, we make babies through sex. its biological procreation, and it's been happening for billions of years. And the stars.....who the hell said that someone needs to 'put them in their place'? Thats begging the question, another common theistic logical fallacy. Please, provide some evidence, ANY, backing up your mere assertions. Thats the way reality works: you make a claim and you have to prove it. Your bible is NOT evidence.
Well....are you going to back up what you said or just sit there quietly because you know you cant provide any evidence? Seriously, how do you think that this kind of argument is valid? i would have dismissed it a the age of 13. Please, just answer that
@pur3o3end I know what you believe the point is and I have demonstrated it is wrong. prove 1- God 2- prove it is the creator, 3- prove it is your God.
YOU said ALL things need a creator, you said it. I see as expected you did not answer my questions as expected.
@pur3o3end 1- wrong my friend, :37 of the Video, " everything that is was made" I forgive you for your fib
2- Now just cut to the chase and prove there is a God, 2- prove it is yours and not one of the over 100,000 others and 3- prove it created anything. Also of my many questions I asked and you ignored, who created the realm of existence your god resides in,
using your "logic"1- it is a place so just could not have always excited so who created it as again using your "logic" your god had to create the universe so we could reside here, the place needs be first.
I look forward to your proof not assumptions and wild statements.
It's amazing that this kind of kindergarten theology isnt laughed out of the room. Using the bible to prove the bible? May as well use comics to prove spider man. It is really sad that in this day and age, people are still so cretinous as to think that a 2000 year old book that has a bias toward proving itself true is a reliable source, considering that sheer absurdity of the things it's trying to pass off as fact.
So if “everything that is needs a creator” so then who made god? Your response will be oh everything but god as he has always existed.
David Brooks says well in this quote "To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy."
because one Atheist swears all Atheist are without morals? That is a profound prejudice and hate.
It is sad that you really believe that without the Bible or a God that you would not know it was wrong to cause others suffering, you would not know it was wrong to rape or murder a child or anyone? Really? That is profoundly sad.
It is ironic things you rightly call immoral like killing a child, rape, torture, slavery your God does all of or demands it or condones it. When your God does it you call it moral.
may I ask, is it right ever to kill a baby, or all of them or all first born?
Hes above time space and matter, we are not. If we said God needed to be created He wouldn't be above time space and matter therefore He wouldn't be God. If you limit God to needing to be created He isn't God.
@pur3o3end prove God, then prove he is above all matter, space and time. Please stop making such silly statements.
Give your proof of what you say and believe and we can go from there. What you say is no more valid them one saying Thor or Ra exchanged for your god, or that we exist in a test tube in a lab in a far off realm.
I can prove life, the universe you can not prove a God.
By definition God would be above time space and matter...thats the point my friend. Lets just say God exists would He not be above the world He creates? Prove is in the creation just like the video says. I hope you think about it, i'm going to take my leave now since I can see this is only leading to arguements.
"I can prove life?" life proves God....since the creation of the world Gods enternal power is clearly seen. God bless you anyway.
@pur3o3end my friend that is by your "definition " not by a logical definition . One can say " by definition the tree people king from realm 77790 exists because we have trees, we have people and we have Kings so by "definition " there must be a tree and he must exist in another realm".
I only hope you think about that.
I ask for your facts and you say you are leaving because you believe I am starting arguments?
You as too many on too many sides want to make videos or stand yelling at people rather than talking to people, you wish to be telling them what to believe then if anyone questions you they are wrong for doing so and not just believing you because you said it and you believe it.
Ok...kinda depressing human being here.
EvilPlipster 8 months ago
Sigh...
espn1337 9 months ago
/watch?v=xRSjzY0s0SM&feature=channel_video_title
Just add Youtube at the beginning and watch the video and what I said may make some sense. :)
cauthier72 10 months ago
Therefore, God has no need of being created, but, in fact, created the time dimension of our universe specifically for a reason - so that cause and effect would exist for us. However, since God created time, cause and effect would never apply to His existence.
cauthier72 10 months ago
God exists outside of time. Since we live in a universe of cause and effect, we naturally assume that this is the only way in which any kind of existence can function. However, the premise is false. Without the dimension of time, there is no cause and effect, and all things that could exist in such a realm would have no need of being caused, but would have always existed.
cauthier72 10 months ago
So, what you're saying is - no one can comprehend god. I would agree with that. So if no one can comprehend god, is it really a good idea to be worshiping him/her/it? You don't even know what you're worshiping.
munkyusm 1 month ago
no, they say that there is no evidence.
pastor bob, the problem with your argument is that if everything has a creator as you say, then who created god? using your logic, he must have a creator too, so who created him?
lavendarfleur 10 months ago
The SETI Institute has been searching for life for over 50 years… all they need is a simple pattern to confirm intelligent life. An entire DNA sequence would fill 200 1,000-page New York City telephone directories. DNA is found in ALL living things. If you unwrap all the DNA you have in all your cells, you could reach the moon 6000 times! It would take a person typing 60 words per minute, eight hours a day, around 50 years to type the human genome.
cauthier72 11 months ago
A major dichotomy I've noticed between those who believe and those who dont: Pride. Christians realize they dont have all the answers to life and have put their trust in a higher power. That takes humility. But to me it seems atheists focus on self. "I know there's no God, I make my own way, I know what's right and what's wrong for myself" But oftentimes life throws a curveball that is beyond our understanding. What happens when "I" dont have the answers? God never changes and always gives hope.
emils122 1 year ago
@emils122 I disagree. I consider myself an atheist...but I don't claim to know there's no god. I view it more like - "Let's just assume there is a god...there's no way a human being could comprehend him/her/it. If this is true, then what is the point of worshiping it? You don't even know what you're worshiping."
munkyusm 1 month ago
I guess all will be revealed the day we all take the eternal slumber. So i guess you guys have a 50/50 chance of being right. I pray that you guys are happy with your choice of reasoning the day it happens. BTW Pastor Bob is no "ignorant dweeb" i dont see 6000 people showing up to your house every week to hear what YOU ALL have to teach.
nomad6485 1 year ago
@nomad6485 You do realize that hell was only mentioned 3 times in the bible...and it's never actually described as being an eternal place of torment. Hell was invented by priests to scare people...that is all.
munkyusm 1 month ago
There is no logical relationship between the construction of consumer goods by humans and creationism, Bob - that's silly. The bible says lots of things, Bob, and like your quotes, most of it's highly questionable. If there is a creator, Bob, there must be a creator of the creator, and a creator of the creator's creator etc, etc, so creationsim provides no answers. Oh, dear! The old illogical argument that 'morality comes from god' rears its ugly head again. Get some new material, Bob.
AtheistEutopia 1 year ago
Created. By magic. Magic words. Abracadabra. Alakazam. Let there be.
Yeah, that seems reasonable. Derp.
is3it7lonar 1 year ago
Morality meant to please a deity is the most shallow unjust form of morality. Too bad this yokel doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. As irrational as belief in supernatural beings is attributing morality to it your particular imaginary being is even more so. Answer me this, you stop a killer from murdering someone, is this moral? What if after you prevented the murder you find the killer had been ordered by your God to commit the killing, OH,OH! Christian brain fry!!!!!!!! LOL
crossoldman 1 year ago
Another ignorant dweeb quoting his old storybook as though it meant something to someone. The Holy Babble is just a book written by stupid men a few thousand yeas ago. It's not magic, it doesn't glow in the dark, the words don't rearrange themselves on the page to reveal secret messages. It just a old damn story book and until you can prove otherwise what it says in the book don't mean squat to any one without emotional problems.
crossoldman 1 year ago
I'm not sure what the interest is in an atheist being bold or unapologetic. We were condemned for being bold and unapologetic. We feel free these days to be open with our opinions. Let us both try to be bold as Christians and atheists in Iran. Go ahead, go to Iran and speak your opinions. You might get a taste of what it must have been like to be an atheist 50 years ago. Now you will hear from us.
There are no gods, it is nothing personal towards yours.
matthewtaylorbrown 1 year ago
By all indications, everything that exists previously existed in a different form. There's no good reason for me to assume it hasn't always been that way.
Human morality is based on acceptance of the fact that we're human and applying our behavior towards others to ourselves. "If I don't want to be a victim, I should object to behavior which victimizes humans." Immoral or amoral people don't consider this.
I wouldn't call these ideas absurd.
robtbo 1 year ago
Thanks Pastor Bob!
biblesnbarbells 1 year ago
apeals to logical fallacies?! wow, what a surprise! (not)
robertwc82 1 year ago
Good video pastor Bob.
pur3o3end 1 year ago
@justbekindtooall
The point in the video was that everything in this world has been created. God is the Creator...He transcends the creation thats why He is called God. Asking "who made God" is like asking were is the corner of a circle? there is none, if it had a corner it wouldn't be a circle in the same way if God needed to be created He wouldn't be God. You might say, "well then humans don't need to be created" no, humans are limited to the natural realm, God is supernatural. Conti-
pur3o3end 1 year ago
@pur3o3end
See, everything he said that needs 'creation' can be watched. I can take you to a paper mill, or a chair factory; you can watch the actions it takes to make a baby. All of these things we KNOW are created because WE create them. Its the watchmaker argument, google it. Take me to god's universe factory, show me how it's done. Till then, it's a mere assertion backed by scripture that is out to prove itself. This video is one giant logical fallacy. Its not convincing in the least.
sakar181 1 year ago
@sakar181
I'm sorry Sakar you lost me at watching the actions to make a baby and saying we create them. Do we create life? do we create a single cell which is much more complex then a watch? did we put the stars in their place? were we there to watch the creation of the universe? we watch a tree grow did we give it life? Sorry.. I don't see how what you've said negate the words in the video.
pur3o3end 1 year ago
@pur3o3end
Taking your first statement, we make babies through sex. its biological procreation, and it's been happening for billions of years. And the stars.....who the hell said that someone needs to 'put them in their place'? Thats begging the question, another common theistic logical fallacy. Please, provide some evidence, ANY, backing up your mere assertions. Thats the way reality works: you make a claim and you have to prove it. Your bible is NOT evidence.
sakar181 1 year ago
@pur3o3end
Well....are you going to back up what you said or just sit there quietly because you know you cant provide any evidence? Seriously, how do you think that this kind of argument is valid? i would have dismissed it a the age of 13. Please, just answer that
sakar181 1 year ago
@pur3o3end I know what you believe the point is and I have demonstrated it is wrong. prove 1- God 2- prove it is the creator, 3- prove it is your God.
YOU said ALL things need a creator, you said it. I see as expected you did not answer my questions as expected.
justbekindtooall 1 year ago
@justbekindtooall
You have demonstrated it is wrong? were? I must have missed it. Your 1, 2, and 3 questions are going off the topic I responded to you.
Also no I didnt say all things need a creator, I said all things in this world need a creator. God is above our world.
pur3o3end 1 year ago
@pur3o3end 1- wrong my friend, :37 of the Video, " everything that is was made" I forgive you for your fib
2- Now just cut to the chase and prove there is a God, 2- prove it is yours and not one of the over 100,000 others and 3- prove it created anything. Also of my many questions I asked and you ignored, who created the realm of existence your god resides in,
justbekindtooall 1 year ago
@pur3o3end cont"
using your "logic"1- it is a place so just could not have always excited so who created it as again using your "logic" your god had to create the universe so we could reside here, the place needs be first.
I look forward to your proof not assumptions and wild statements.
justbekindtooall 1 year ago
It's amazing that this kind of kindergarten theology isnt laughed out of the room. Using the bible to prove the bible? May as well use comics to prove spider man. It is really sad that in this day and age, people are still so cretinous as to think that a 2000 year old book that has a bias toward proving itself true is a reliable source, considering that sheer absurdity of the things it's trying to pass off as fact.
sakar181 1 year ago
You try oh-so-hard, with vacuous arguments, to convince yourself there's a god. Did it work, Bobby?
indignant99 1 year ago
Greetings.
So if “everything that is needs a creator” so then who made god? Your response will be oh everything but god as he has always existed.
David Brooks says well in this quote "To explain the unknown by the known is a logical procedure; to explain the known by the unknown is a form of theological lunacy."
because one Atheist swears all Atheist are without morals? That is a profound prejudice and hate.
justbekindtooall 1 year ago
cont:
It is sad that you really believe that without the Bible or a God that you would not know it was wrong to cause others suffering, you would not know it was wrong to rape or murder a child or anyone? Really? That is profoundly sad.
It is ironic things you rightly call immoral like killing a child, rape, torture, slavery your God does all of or demands it or condones it. When your God does it you call it moral.
may I ask, is it right ever to kill a baby, or all of them or all first born?
justbekindtooall 1 year ago
cont:
As to a "feeling in your heart" the heart only circulates blood nothing more.
justbekindtooall 1 year ago
@justbekindtooall
Hes above time space and matter, we are not. If we said God needed to be created He wouldn't be above time space and matter therefore He wouldn't be God. If you limit God to needing to be created He isn't God.
pur3o3end 1 year ago
@pur3o3end prove God, then prove he is above all matter, space and time. Please stop making such silly statements.
Give your proof of what you say and believe and we can go from there. What you say is no more valid them one saying Thor or Ra exchanged for your god, or that we exist in a test tube in a lab in a far off realm.
I can prove life, the universe you can not prove a God.
justbekindtooall 1 year ago
@justbekindtooall
By definition God would be above time space and matter...thats the point my friend. Lets just say God exists would He not be above the world He creates? Prove is in the creation just like the video says. I hope you think about it, i'm going to take my leave now since I can see this is only leading to arguements.
"I can prove life?" life proves God....since the creation of the world Gods enternal power is clearly seen. God bless you anyway.
pur3o3end 1 year ago
@pur3o3end my friend that is by your "definition " not by a logical definition . One can say " by definition the tree people king from realm 77790 exists because we have trees, we have people and we have Kings so by "definition " there must be a tree and he must exist in another realm".
I only hope you think about that.
I ask for your facts and you say you are leaving because you believe I am starting arguments?
justbekindtooall 1 year ago
@pur3o3end cont:
You as too many on too many sides want to make videos or stand yelling at people rather than talking to people, you wish to be telling them what to believe then if anyone questions you they are wrong for doing so and not just believing you because you said it and you believe it.
Life proves life not any god.
justbekindtooall 1 year ago
Hasn't everything he said been debunked? I'm sure if you browse around you'd find something.
Biowasters 1 year ago
Coys the man!!!
inspirationdp85 1 year ago