Possible Electrolytes to use in Hydroxy Gas Generation

[HHO4ALL]

OxyClean works great, but creates chlorine gas. I will include a video with a test I did on one of my wet cells.

[bbad4all]

What do you think of using HYDROGREN PEROXIDE ?

[charlieehler]

I've heard of using it in a recipe for baking soda and vinegar. Haven't tried it yet. The 3% H2O2 is pretty weak. If the 10% solution can be found it would be better.

My only concern is breakdown of the compound to water. If electrolysis does that, then the electrolyte will lose its ability to pass current.

[spikeychops]

Not certain on the atmospheric oxygen point, but i'm fairly sure the iron oxide would provide the needed oxygen. I'd say allow the oxides to go to waste.

I'm imagining a continous reaction (well, apart from the time taken to submerge another thermosphere (just made that name up, nice isn't it!) into the tank (mechanically inserted) when the steam production falls to below a set threshold. Just start the process over again with a fresh thermosphere, continous steam for nearly zero cost.

spike

[spikeychops]

Cont from above..

watertight container of say a couple of inches by a couple of inches (a sphere would do), and put this into a large tank of water. Ignite the powder, and you have instant steam to drive a turbine, heat water, provide motive force, etc etc. Also, as a nice by product, if graphite is used as crucible (solid pressed sphere containing thermite powder, and electrodes to create a short, thus heat) diamonds will form at 2500c!!!!

Electricity and diamonds from rust and aluminium???

[charlieehler]

I think you would have to isolate the carbon from oxygen intrusion to get the diamonds instead of it being added to the combustion. Is the thermite a self-contained reaction, or does it require atmospheric oxygen to work?

Also, what are the byproducts of doing this? Iron and Aluminum Oxide, I presume. To recover the aluminum would take too much energy to make it worthwhile, I would think.

Charlie

[spikeychops]

Further to thinking about chlorophyll (a) , it has a molecular formula C55H72O5N4Mg, meaning it has 72 atoms of hydrogen in it's make up, and 5 oxygen. (55 carbon, 4 Nitrogen, and 1 magnesium. Pretty high H count.

From wiki: "The electron flow produced by the reaction center chlorophyll pigments is used to shuttle H+ ions across the thylakoid membrane...(of a plant)"

spikey.

[charlieehler]

I saw in the news where scientists figured out how to reproduce that chemically or something like it. they either reproduced the action or the enzyme that breaks the molecular bond of water.

Charlie

[spikeychops]

Really? Interesting. I'll have a search.

What about the components of 'thermite'?

Thermite (as i discovered just today), is made from finely powdered Iron oxide (rust) and aluminium. !!! (that's all it is!!??)

When ignighted with a flame, or an electrical ignition, reacts violently and reaches a temperature of approx 2500C in a matter of seconds!

Am i missing something here?

why don't the worlds power hungry, simply obtain rust, alu powder, and encase it in a small (continues below)

[spikeychops]

Fermented Urine or pee piss whatever you want to call it, is basically excreted ammonia (VERY high in fish tank water, for those that want to try old fish tank water as an electrolyte). Ammonia (pure) is Nitrogen and hydrogen, and has the formula NH3. (3 parts H to 1 part N) So by that reasoning, each molecule of ammonia, should release 33% more Hydrogen than H20 (having only 2 parts H to 1 part O), or is my thinking fundamentally flawed here?

spikey.

[spikeychops]

i'm going to try ammonia and water to see if it's any good. Ammonia was used as an i.c.e. fuel during ww2.

spikey

[charlieehler]

It was?! Interesting. Are you planning to use the cleaning type or something else? Just be careful to make sure it's just ammonnia. Let me know how it performs and I'll include it in the test series.

Charlie

[spikeychops]

Have to rebuild my cell first (still trying to work out the optimal plate arrangement and such) but when i do, i'll be trying to get the most concentrated household ammonia i can find.

Yes, aparently ammonia was used extensively on all sorts of vehicles from cars to buses to trucks, even ships.

Ammonia contains 3 atoms of hydrogen per ammonia molecule, being 1 part Nitrogen and 3 parts Hydrogen (NH3). Wondering if fermented urine would be higher %? (cheap!) will let you know.

spikey

[charlieehler]

Spikey,

Just be sure that's all it is to be on the safe side.

Charlie

[spikeychops]

Yep, will do charlie. (i'll be standing well back, and out in the open air too!)

Just had another though about possible electrolytes...How about (drumroll please...) well, we all know that in nature, photosynthesis is basically the plants way of performing 'natural electrolysis' right?

What about pulping down some green leafy plants, sqeezing out the water and chlorophyll and associated sugars and salts, and using this concentrated soup as an electrolyte?

spikey

[dahduke]

maybe this will be some help i just seen a video and the man called this a winter mix so it dont freeze and he used 3 table spoons of baking soda plus 2 oz of white vinagar 3 cups of distilled wated 1 cup of rubbing alcohal and 2 cap fulls of hydrogen poridxide all mixed together and warmed in a pot on the stove at a very low heat

[charlieehler]

I've seen this mix on another video comment and intend to try it out when I get the chance. As of now I'm still playing with Sodium Hydroxide so I suspect it will be a few weeks before I get that far.

[rhblakeman]

Iodized salt also gives off trace iodine gas, more toxic than chlorine. Baking soda sucks, the soda itself turns brown (not metal leeching, I have found it to be the bicarb). Borax and Epsom salt I'm not sure how it will react. Roebic NaOH is great stuff for under $8 a bottle. Some also use vinegar or even vingar and baking soda's remnants after reaction or sodium acetate. Turns brown with the sodium acetate for me. One guy from AU used urine believe it or not. "pee or powder" is his video