First thing is nobody gets the religon from birth parents in Baha'i faith, you must study all the other religions and choose your own faith when you are adult, even if your parents are Baha'i!!!
I have never seen anybody leaving Baha'i faith for other religion.
If anybody wants to learn more this is not a creditable guy to listen to.
@bigpecker251 Havent you read the Noble Quran? Allah says: Iqra' bismi robikallazi kholaq, kholaqol insaana min alaq (Recite in the name of your Lord who created, created man from a clot that clings.) If you remember your own creation when you were in the womb, you started out as an 'alaq', meaning a clot that clung to the placenta of the womb. Alaq also mean to feed off, and when you were that alaq, you fed off your mother... That is science and signs for you to reflect and repent to Allah.
First thing is nobody gets the religon from birth parents in Baha'i faith, you must study all the other religions and choose your own faith when you are adult, even if your parents are Baha'i!!!
I have never seen anybody leaving Baha'i faith for other religion.
If anybody wants to learn more this is not a creditable guy to listen to.
Baha'i never taught about reincarnation..it strange you say that...May be you are confuse about the spirit of the same God we worship found in His Messengers...There is no born Baha'i. Baha'i Faith teaches that everyone should investigate the truth for themselves..I am happy you found your Faith..My family is from Muslim background and we also found that Baha'i is what we were searching for....peace
@rossinibkk You havent investigated bahaism and its false teachings. Why is the law for zakat incomplete? Coz Hussein dies before he could write it! or why women can't serve on uhj? or how to achieve 'world peace' when you bahais cannot unite with the 'covenant breakers'? If a muslim leaves Islam for bahaism, its the worst choice coz it's a hay stack of contradictions and mistakes, and it's not accepted by Allah.
Islams who believe in the jihad . Your all ready radical ass holes who lie to my
Face and call me an infidel behind my back. Your description of Allah is the biblical devil and in the book Dante's inferno muhammad is burning real good and unless u repent that's where your going to , Jesus spoke of u people saying you didn't even know who u worshipped
How is the Baha'i Faith a "false religion?" The definition for 'religion' is: The belief of a superhuman controlling power, especially a God or Gods. Put this way, the Baha'i Faith is a real religion. It doesn't matter whether or not it's evil, because evil is just an opinion. The reason you guys hate us is because you think we're apostasizing from Islam.
@Ampho23 Yes, bahais are apostates and should be treated as such. But the main reason is coz bahaism lies about Islam and the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Bahaism claims that prophet Muhammad said that he is the return of Jesus (look in Kitab-i-Iqan). That is a lie! Prophet Muhammad never said that.
I was just looking up videos to learn more about Baha'i for my world religions class...but i am truely sickened to the core by the ammount of close mindedness i found. What do you guys hope to prove in discrediting certain religions and promoting others? It seems like a childish fight over who is 'right'. I am not Baha'i or Islam so am not biased whatsoever, i could care less which religion you choose but know that without the ability of acceptance, world peace will never be obtained.
@danclay91 Alhamdulillah, if you feel sick or angry when the truth is said, then you are on falsehood. Only with Islam is true peace and justice. The Jews and Christians used to live side by side with the muslims without injustice against them in an islamic state. Unlike what's happening in Palestine today, the zionists are transgressing all bounds
@farihin80 Look at the debate on this video. No conclusion will ever be met. Any true believer of any faith is not going to chose another just because someone says it's better. Religion should never tear people apart. It's like everyone's looking at this as a "who's religion is better" competition. Who cares what you believe? It does not completely define you as a person. If we can't see past our differences then we will NEVER have peace no matter which religion is prodominent.
@farihin80 It's just truely saddening that there is so much hatred based upon religious choice. So many people on this video hate each other without even truely knowing them. Since i don't know anything about you other then your islam, you are completely neutral to me. Shouldn't it be that way? What good has ever come from judging an entire category of people without knowing them? It leads to prejudice, racism, and war. There is no benefit from it.
the koran is accepting of all If Allah so willed, he would have made you a single People, but his plan is to test each of you separately, in what He has given to each of you: so strive in all virtues as in you are in a race. The goal of all of you is to Allah. It is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute. (Quran 5:48)
To give you must recieve. Spirituality or Religion isnt here to prove who is right or who is wrong. IT IS HERE TO RECIEVE AND GIVE LOVE.
fail again. thats not proof asshole. the ancient greeks knew some small invisable thing caused people to get sick but im not going to start worshiping zeus. divinci predicted man flying so where is divincism? religion only exsists because dumbasses like you beleive in it.
@jabx55 good thing assholes like you have a one way ticket directly to hell without stops. Alhamdulillah. But you can avert it by repentance. Fool! the greeks didn't know about the womb and sperm, etc.
You bahais read too much of Bahai mumbo-jumbo scriptures and that's why you think that all religion must be similarly twisted and make no sense. You are just like a child playing in the mud and think that another place called 'ocean' should be similar too. That's coz you're in the mud. Time to get out, swim in the ocean, then you'll know the difference, then you've grown up. Grow up children. ;-)
If you are a bahai, that automatically means that you deny Islam, and Allah said in Quran that he hates the deniers. And He has prepared Hell as a place of destination for the deniers and disbelievers. I can only warn you, but you all will know the truth on that day when there's no point regretting. Bahai filth (aka bahaism) is full of contradiction, it beats the bible. :-) If any of you know anything about Islam, just try explaining Al-Fatiha and let's discuss...
@jabx55 You failed when you can't see the proofs in the Noble Quran. Allah said that He created man starting out as a leech like appearance clinging (Surah Alaq / Iqra), and today (20th century) we know that it's true. Even scientists have admitted that this knowledge is unknown until now. Allah speaks about separating the fresh water and salt water. about vehicles, about depth of oceans and light penetration. If you can't see the proofs, then you failed. Stop failing and start studying please.
@jabx55 Lol sorry little Baha'i cult member loser dork, you pervert everything you touch, i guess that's what happens with false profits and the curse you bring to yourself s lol i will pray as God tells me to, but must laugh at your cult which is very close to Mormons in Utah... u take from an existing religion and add your own crap, then you fake a living profit, lol I dont agree with Islam but i can see how you people really screwed them over perverting their teaching,
@bahaiculteatsnuts You are up there with one of the most hateful people i have seen online. You think your hatred is backed by your faith but it really isn't. "Love your enemies... Do good to them that hate you" (Matt. 5:44). It seems to me that you do not even follow your own religion. and A. you spelled prophet wrong and B. Christianity started as a branch off of judaism. Meaning it too took from preexisting religion. Hatred is never the way to heaven my friend.
farihin80, reading this page informs me that it is not a place for true discussion. It seems that you created it to express your own views (dogma) and then to mock those who attempt to disagree.
It's your's. You can think and say whatever you wish. But, believe me, your theological constructions and "taught" beliefs can be quite easily addressed.
And, by the way, there are NO contradictions in the Baha'i Writings. Such things are only within our limited minds.
@MrUser51 Not just express my views, but the facts of life itself. The Quran is Al-Haq (the truth) from Allah Al-Mighty, my Lord and Creator. There are plenty of contradictions. Why Shogi Effendi died without an heir when it was obligatory? Why Guardianship ended when UHJ and guardianship are the twin pillars of nwo? Why Abdulbaha excommunicate his half brother when he was next in line and mentioned in kitab-i-ahd by name (that you regard as divine revelation)? Why women aren't allowed on uhj?
I think it's strange that you say you were born Baha'i and still you use the tern Baha'ism. Baha'is use the term Baha'i faith. Second, the Baha'i faith never teach reincarnation. The scriotures talk about return which is something else. It is never the same person or soul that returs to the earth, it's the same essens, the same qualities, the same spiritual reality. All the prophets or Manifeatations of God are as perfect mirrors reflecting the attributes of God into the physical world.
@oystef2304 Then you should read Iqan. Where bahaullah claims that Muhammad said that he was Adam, Noah, etc. Although prophet Muhammad (pbuh) never said those things and bahaullah lied about it, the fact is bahaullah is promoting the idea of reincarnation using twisted logic. Read my friend. One of the attributes of God is ever-living, can your manifestation mirror that? Nope, he's dead!
@farihin80 The logic of the Manifestations of God are always twisted for the people they are coming to. It goes for Moses, it goes for Jesus and for Muhammad and other Manifeatations or prophets if you like. Look at how they suffered and was persecuted. If the majority of the people knew and understood their logic they would never needed to come to them. This is what the Kitab-i-Iqan tells about. I have read the book and I can read it many times again. It gives me certitute.
@minissa2009 u know nothing about islam. It's not about some say this and that. The prophet's miracles are agreed upon by all muslims. Those who argue about his miracles aren't muslims. Obviously you aren't a muslim as you have addressed muhammad (pbuh) with capital 'He' means you are a bahai and know nothing about islam. go study. :-)
@kafir1917 I just hope your nickname won't stick with u after this life. if u r a bahai, u don't need a psychiatrist, u need an asylum. May God help those around you. :-)
@Beulah502 if you are a baha'i, then u are the confused party. You will realize this when you see the angel Israfil come to pull out your soul. if you want safety, then reject the bahai false religion and accept Islam. If not, then it's your choice to dwell in hell forever. I'm not confused about that.
@kafir1917 There is no founder of Islam! Islam is submission to God almighty the Creator Allah, Adam was the first prophet n all prophets/messengers after him preached the same One message of submitting to the will/commandments of the Creator Allah(God almighty) for example Noah, Enoch, Elijah, David, John the Baptist, Jesus were prophets/messengers of God Almighty n Muhammad(saw) was the Final/Last of the long line up of the prophets/messengers n completed the religion(Deen) from God! Peace
In terms of Muhammad performing miracles (I think this is what you mean), this is a very controversial subject amongst Muslim scholars. (I think a lot of Muhammad's practices, He created in order to counterbalance the way Christianity of the time had veered from Christ's messages.) Some say Muhammad performed them; many more say he prayed and God sent angels to help Him. The Bab and Baha'u'llah performed miracles, many privately, but this is a shaky argument to put forth for which faith is true
Just wondering who in the world taught you all this misinfo about the Baha'i Faith. Have you read any texts (including the Qur'an)? You've been grossly misinformed. The Baha'i Faith is the pattern for world peace and a spiritualized society. Service on the House of Justice is a duty from which women are excused, not a privilege denied. On the video: interminable still slides and extemporaneous speech were putting me to sleep till I'd hear another outrageous claim about Baha'is and their beliefs.
Great video. Bahai is the fakest religion, I really hate it. To the hell with the concept of bringing ALL RACES into one nation bulls**t, it's all so f**king fake I HATE HATE HATE BAHAISME.
@CrystalCoffin Wow, where did this hateful attitude come from? This sounds like a post from a member of a group like Aryan Nations when you say you can't bring the races together and then you have to swear to get your point across. Baha'is are bringing the races together every day (albeit it's sometimes an uphill climb). If the world does not soon figure out how to unite, mankind's days are limited because we will blow ourselves to Kingdom Come!
1.) I don't believe in equality. (There is no way I am equal to you, for instance).
2.) I don't believe in One World Government. (That kind of crap reminds me of communist ideology that was aggressive and arrogant)
3.) I am not signing any damn card no matter how much they lie about it. In fact, I ought to bring a hidden camera and a recording device which will record every deceptive moves and suggestions, such as post-hypnotic).
@Nguli34689 - Agree with your first reason for sure. We can all go on to do great things in our lives but sadly we are not all equal. There are winners and losers in life. People should ask themselves this questions about Baha'is: Are they really that nice or are they gladhanding?
@AJatheistgod WHAT?? now bahaullah is the GOD?? if he is why did he need to be born like the way everyother human being was born? from a dad and mum? why did he need to eat and drink?? and why is he dead?? a dead God is better off dead!!!! makes no freaking sence what so ever!!
4 Likewise in this Dispensation of the Point of the Bayan, if the people had not refused to concede the name believer unto Him, how could they have incarcerated Him on this mountain, without realizing that the quintessence of belief oweth its existence to a word from Him? Their hearts are deprived of the power of true insight, and thus they cannot see, while those endowed with the eyes of the spirit circle like moths round the Light of Truth until they are consumed.
3 Yet those who are veiled believe that He is one like them, and they refuse to even call Him a believer, although such a title in the realm of His heavenly Kingdom is conferred everlastingly upon the most insignificant follower of His previous Dispensation. Thus, had the people in the days of the Apostle of God regarded Him at least as a believer of their time how would they have debarred Him, for seven years while He was in the mountain, from access to His Holy House [Ka'bah]?
2 When the Apostle of God [Muhammad] appeared, He did not announce unto the unbelievers that the Resurrection had come, for they could not bear the news. That Day is indeed an infinitely mighty Day, for in it the Divine Tree proclaimeth from eternity unto eternity, "Verily, I am God. No God is there but Me."
1 "The Day of Resurrection is a day on which the sun riseth and setteth like unto any other day. How oft hath the Day of Resurrection dawned, and the people of the land where it occurred did not learn of the event. Had they heard, they would not have believed, and thus they were not told.
4 On that Day the Trumpet shall be sounded and all who dwell in heaven and earth be seized with fear, except those whom Allah will be pleased to save. All shall come to Him in utter humility… But those that have done evil shall be hurled headlong into the Fire… To him that goes astray, say 'I have warned you.'
3 They shall be led in separate bands before Allah, who will say to them: 'You denied My revelations although you knew nothing of them. What was it that you were doing?' Our doom will smite them for their sins, and they shall be dumbfounded…
2 The dead cannot hear you, nor can you make the dear hear your call when they turn their backs and pay no heed. It is not for you to guide the blind out of their error. None shall hear you except those who believe in Our revelations and surrender themselves to Us… On that Day there shall be gathered from every nation a multitude who disbelieved in Our revelations.
1 from the sacred text of the Holy Quran, the Ant: We shall make their foul deeds seem fair to them, so that they blunder about in their folly… Moses, I am Allah, the Mighty, the Wise One. 'Put your hand into your pocket. It will come out white, although unharmed. This is but one of nine signs which shall be shown to Pharaoh and his people; for, truly, they are wicked men.'… and their eyes are sealed.
They ask of one another: 'What words do these fools utter, and in what valley are they wont to graze? Do they deny that whereunto their very souls testify, and shut their eyes to that which they plainly behold?' I swear by God, O people! They that inhabit the Cities of the Names of God are bewildered at your actions, while ye roam, aimless and unconscious, in a parched and barren land. Suriy-I-Haykal from the Summons of the Lord of Hosts Baha'u'llah
Ye recite the sacred verses and yet repudiate Him Who is their Source and Revealer. Thus hath God blinded your eyes in requital for your deeds, would ye but understand. Day and night ye transcribe the verses of God, and yet ye remain shut out, as by a veil, from Him Who hath revealed them. In this Day the Concourse on high beholdeth you in your evil doings and shunneth your company, and yet ye perceive it not.
"I swear by Him Who hath fashioned Me from the light of His own Beauty! None have I ever seen that surpasseth you in heedlessness or exceedeth you in ignorance. Ye seek to prove your faith in God through such holy Tablets as ye possess, yet when the verses of God were revealed and His Lamp was lighted, ye disbelieved in Him Whose very Pen hath fixed the destinies of all things in the Preserved Tablet.
continued Thus, ages have passed and centuries rolled away, and that most pure Spirit hath repaired unto the retreats of its ancient sovereignty. Once more hath the eternal Spirit breathed into the mystic trumpet, and caused the dead to speed out of their sepulchers of heedlessness and error unto the realm of guidance and grace. And yet, that expectant community still crieth out: 'When shall these things be?'" Kitab-I-Iqan p 25 Baha'u'llah
@fsmtdaler So has the resurrection come to pass or not? make up your mind for God's sake! Now he says - "and caused the dead to speed out of their sepulchers of heedlessness " - again placing readers into a state confusion when just moments before, he said "Otherwise that which hath been revealed is decisive and final and will be faithfully upheld by all until the Day of Resurrection..". Bahaullah can't make up his mind. Someone should help that poor and confused man-ifestation.
continued The ignorant among the Christian community, following the example of the leaders of their faith, were likewise prevented from beholding the beauty of the King of Glory, inasmuch as those signs which were to accompany the dawn of the sun of the Muhammadan Dispensation did not actually come to pass.
QUOTE A 'Inasmuch as the Christian divines have failed to apprehend the meaning of these words, and did not recognize the object of their purpose, and have clung to the literal interpretation of the words of Jesus, they therefore became deprived of the streaming grace of the Muhammadan Revelation and its showering bounties.
Part 15 We have taken compassion on thee, as a sign of Our grace, inasmuch as thou hast related thyself unto Us. Verily, We are aware of all things. We are cognizant of thy righteous deeds, though they shall avail thee nothing; for the whole object of such righteousness is but recognition of God, thy Lord, and undoubted faith in the Words revealed by Him." His Holiness, the Bab
Part 14 We enjoin thee to save thyself and all the inhabitants of that land from the fire, then to enter the peerless and exalted Paradise of His good-pleasure. Otherwise the day is approaching when thou shalt perish and enter the fire, when thou shalt have neither patron nor helper from God.
@fsmtdaler again another mundane contradiction in bahai writings - "Otherwise the day is approaching when thou shalt perish and enter the fire" - Hey, bahais don't believe in hell fire. Someone should inform Bahaullah, you know... It's not nice for a 'manifestation' to say contradictory to what he means. ;-)
Part 13 Therein thou must beg pardon of thy Lord, turn unto Him in repentance and be of them that are wholly devoted to Him. Perchance God will transform thy fire into light at the next Resurrection. He, of a truth, is the Protector, the Most Exalted, the Ever-Forgiving. Unto Him bow down in worship all that are in the heavens and on the earth and whatever lithe between them; and unto Him shall all return.
Part 12 Wert thou to come unto Us while divine revelation is descending upon Us, haply God will change thy fire into light. Verily, He is the Ever-Forgiving, the Most Generous. Otherwise that which hath been revealed is decisive and final and will be faithfully upheld by all until the Day of Resurrection… If divine revelation ceaseth, thou shouldst write a petition unto Him Whom God shall make manifest, imploring that it be delivered into His presence.
@fsmtdaler Here's the clincher! Bahaullah claims that his appearance IS the day of resurrection. Now he says "Otherwise that which hath been revealed is decisive and final and will be faithfully upheld by all until the Day of Resurrection..", meaning even Bahaullah thinks that the day of resurrection has not arrived. So which is it? Are Bahai still waiting for a day of resurrection or not? To me personally this is dim-witted contradiction that only proves that Bahaullah was not messenger of God.
@farihin80 Each time when a Manifestation of God appears, that Day is the Day of Resurrection of the previous Manifestation. When Jesus said, "I am the Resurrection and the life. No one cometh to the Father but by Me." He is the Resurrection of Moses. Likewise, Muhammad is the Resurrection of Jesus. The Bab is the Resurrection of Muhammad, and Baha'u'llah is the Resurrection of the Bab.
Each has a distinct individuality, a mother, father, etc, their own DNA. The eternal spirit is One
Part 11 Thou contendest, 'How can we recognize Him when we have heard naught but words which fall short of irrefutable proofs?' Yet since thou hast acknowledged and recognized Muhammad, the Apostle of God, through the Qur'an, how canst thou withhold recognition from Him Who sent thee the Book, despite thy calling thyself 'His servant'? Verily He doth exercise undisputed authority over His revelations unto all mankind.
@fsmtdaler Even Bahaullah confirms that his writings are "short of irrefutable proofs", and doesn't do anything to provide proofs except for mere illogical question, "Yet since thou hast acknowledged and recognized Muhammad..". For example, I say to you, accept me as your prophet BECAUSE you have accepted Jesus before. That is ludicrous! That is NOT PROOF. I hope this is clear to the readers how feeble-minded bahaullah can really be. Is this enough for us to accept as God's words?
Part 10 Thou hast named thyself 'Abdu's Sahib [servant of the Lord]. Yet, while God hath, in very truth, made thy Lord manifest, and thou didst set thine eyes upon Him, thou didst not recognize Him, even though thou hadst been called into being for the very purpose of attaining His presence, didst thou but truly believe in the third verse of the chapter entitled 'Thunder'. Qur'an 13
Part 9 Nay, by the life of Him Whom God shall make manifest! Neither thou nor any one among His servants can produce the slightest proof, while God shineth transcendent above His creatures and through the power of His behest standeth supreme over all that dwell in the kingdom of heaven and earth and in whatever lithe between them. Verily, He is potent over all created things.
Part 8 Thou hast set thyself up as one of the learned in the Faith of Islam, that thou mightiest save the believers, yet thou didst cause them to descend into the fire, for when the verses of God were sent forth thou didst deprive thyself therefrom and yet reckoned thyself to be of the righteous…
Part 7 Hadst thou faithfully observed the decree of God, all the inhabitants of that land would have followed thee, and would have themselves entered into the celestial Paradise, content with the good-pleasure of God forevermore. However, on that day thou shalt wish that God had not created thee.
@fsmtdaler Another disparity when Bahaullah says: " and would have themselves entered into the celestial Paradise..." - What in the world..? Now there's paradise that can be entered? So its a place? If truly Bahaullah had come to re-educate the world on the nature of Paradise and Hell-Fire, saying that they are allegorical, then he should NOT have used the 'old terms', but rather give out the new meaning, right? This is a real contradiction. again it shows why his writings are not from God.
6 Verily all the divines in the land of Kaf [Kufih] shall, even as thyself, be asked by God: 'Is it not strange that a Messenger should have come unto you with a Book, and ye, while confessing your powerlessness, refused to follow the Faith of God which He had brought, and ye persisted in your disbelief? Therefore unto thee shall be assigned the fire which was meant for those who turned aside from God in that land, inasmuch as thou art their leader; would that thou might be of them who heed.
@fsmtdaler So Bahai's now believe in the FIRE? -"Therefore unto thee shall be assigned the fire which was meant for those who turned aside from God in that land" - So tell me, is there FIRE OF HELL or not? On one hand, Bahais dont believe in Hell Fire, but then Bahaullah says "Therefore unto thee shall be assigned the fire.."? Again this opposes Bahai views on Heaven and Hell, that they say it's allegorical, and yet we see here IT'S NOT. Such discrepencies are not acceptable as words of God.
Part 5 Yet neither the upright deeds thou has wrought during all thy life, nor the exertions thou didst make to banish every thought from thy heart save that of the good-pleasure of God, none of these did in truth profit thee, not even to the extent of a grain of mustard seed, inasmuch as thou didst veil thyself from God and tarried behind at the time of His manifestation.
Part 4 We in truth know all things. Hadst thou uttered 'yea' on hearing the Words of God, thou wouldst have been seen to have been worshipping God from the beginning that hath no beginning until the present day, never to have disobeyed Him, not even for the twinkling of an eye.
@fsmtdaler Bahaullah's errors: "thou wouldst have been seen to have been worshipping God from the beginning that hath no beginning..." IS IT LOGICAL TO HAVE A BEGINNING when it's reiterated that there is NO BEGINNING? It's just like saying, "Go into the car where there's NO CARS!". The wacky and illogical nature of Bahaullah's wiritings is what I would like to focus on. No Bahais see this problem, coz they have 'DONT QUESTION' attitude, whereas these are grave irrationalities in 'scripture'
Part 3 Likewise these words have also been sent down by God, if thou dost but perceive. What is there in the Bayan which kept thee back from recognizing these verses as being sent forth by God, the Inaccessible, the Most Exalted, the All-Glorious? The essence of these words is this: Were We to bring thee to a reckoning, thou wouldst prove thyself empty-handed;
Part 2 For who else but God can reveal to a man such clear and manifest verses as overpower all the learned? Since thou hast acknowledged the the revelation of Muhammad, the Apostle of God, then there is no other way open for thee but to testify that whatever is revealed by the Primal Point hath also proceeded from God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting. Is it not true that the Qur'an hath been sent down from God and that all men are powerless before its revelation?
"O 'ABDU'S-SAHIB! Verily God and every created thing testify that there is none other God but Me, the Almighty, the Best Beloved… Thy vision is obscured by the belief that divine revelation ended with the coming of Muhammad, and unto this We have borne witness in Our first epistle. Indeed, He Who hath revealed verses unto Muhammad, the Apostle of God, hath likewise revealed verses unto 'Ali-Muhammad.
@fsmtdaler there are many errors in bahaullah's writings that you've pasted. Firstly, there is no proof throughout what you've pasted. Just re-iterating concepts. Anyone can write this, coz there's no proof. At least if it had some irrefutable proof that we can hold on to today, then it's worth considering. The Quran is UNLIKE Bahai writings where Allah gives us concepts and proofs to go along with it. Like 'He created man from alaq (leech-shaped clinging congealed blood). That is PROOF.
Why do people so often "inherit" the beliefs of those around them? Those born to Jewish family tend to be Jewish. Christian/Christian. Muslim/Muslim, etc. Until one experiences other religions, how can one say that this is true or this is false. So if I were born in Arabia to Muslim parents, I would naturally want to be a part of the wider community. But I was born to Christian parents, so followed that. But then I studied all major religions, including Islam, before finding the Baha'i
Do you know why I know Baha'u'llah's claims are true? Because people like you go through so much trouble to calumniate against Him. If He was false, people like you wouldn't feel so threatened by Him and would ignore Him. He strikes a chord in calumniators that makes them afraid so they you fell like you have to "strike out" from defensiveness.
@ankharris an effort to state the truth and you call it calumny? That's illogical thinking and can both ways and is a matter of opinion. It's a fact that bahaullah failed to give the measure of zakat when he promised he would! That is a sign of falsehood at it's highest degree. Telling the truth about someone is not called 'striking out' at that person, if you are truthful, then answer all these discrepancies in the bahai faith, otherwise it is you who 'strike out' at others coz fail to defend
"O Son of Spirit! The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice. Turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge, and not through the knowledge of they neighbor. Ponder this in your heart. How it behooveth thee to be. Verily, Justice is My gift to thee and the sign of My loving kindness. Set it then before thine eyes."
"O Son of Spirit!" My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly, and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty, ancient, eternal, and everlasting." Baha'u'llah
"He is the Glory of Glories" This is that which hath descended from the realm of glory, uttered by the tongue of power and might, and revealed unto the Prophets of old. We have taken the inner essence thereof and clothed it in the garment of brevity, as a token of grace unto the righteous, that they may stand faithful unto the Covenant of God, fulfill in their lives His trust, and in the realm of spirit obtain the gem of Divine Virtue." Hidden Words of Baha'u'llah
I am a Christian, and believe in and follow Jesus Christ as God's Son and final Word. Even if you do not believe in the Baha'i beliefs and prophet, please stand up for their right to exist, and have safety. They face a lot of persecution from Muslims around the world, and difficulties.
@graceinmay Baha'i is a direct assault on Christianity. Christ's sacrifice has no meaning without Original Sin. Christianity has no meaning without the ancient rituals, the sacraments and the doctrine of lifelong struggle against carnal and worldly temptation. The Catholic and Anglican churches both pursue monasticism. Baha'is are apostates because they claim to be Christian and Muslim but distort these faiths. I suggest that you reassess your understanding of what it means to be a Christian.
@Mokkor I am not making a theological point, M. Nor am I commenting on Baha'i or Islamic theology. I am putting forth that the rights of Baha'is for, to example, live without fear of persecution in Islamic countries needs to be recognized. As fellow human beings, they deserve safety, access to the same resouurces as their non-Baha'i neighbors, and the right to assemble and worship. I would expect and want the same rights, and I hope the Muslim who made this video agrees.
@graceinmay Yeah, and Bahai say that your beloved Jesus is their Bahaullah, have you seen his photograph. If you are a true Christian, you should take offence. If not by the claim, then by bahaullah's photograph at least.
@farihin80 I am of course at odds theologically with Baha'is, and pray for them to truly recognize and follow Christ. But I am not angry or insulted at them because of what they believe. A belief may be insulting, but in spite of that, we can still respect the believer. You can both support a person's right to religious and social liberty, and be peacefully at odds with them theologically, too.
I too am a former Bahai. There are tons of amounts of scientific and prophetic proofs in the writings. There are hundreds of books too. However I am now a free spirit and follow no God.
As for the universality thing, obviously, unity cannot be achieved without combatting those that refuse it, until they are none left. As for "equality" between the sexes, why would it have to mean similarity of social function ? And if you are that much for equality of the sexes, than why did you convert to a religion which is even much less egalitarian than Bahaism ? Finally, propaganda is in all religions, and even all organizations - and Islam is extremelly hypocritical and imperialistic.
@ScipiondeFrance Your biased opinion of Islam is your own, but I do think that if you studied Islam properly and sincerely, your views would change. You think I'm fighting for real equality? Men and women are not equal, and that's the point. I'm not fighting for women's equality, I'm saying that the Bahai concept of equality between men and women are not practical or achievable. But bahai faith preaches that women are supposed to be equal to men in every field. But I say that it is impossible
@farihin80 Well, I think that if you studied Islam properlu, your views would change.
I agree that men and women are not equal, but then again, I was never in the islamic sect of bahaism. Also, I believe that Muslims are not superior to non-Muslims, and oh surprise, reality agrees with me, as almost all muslim countries are dirt poor, ignorant, superstitious, paranoid and sadistic... shitholes. How did the Quran get that so much wrong ?! lol
@ScipiondeFrance Bahais fight for so called equality but cannot explain why women cannot serve on the universal house of justice. You can women presidents, prime ministers, but not on UHJ? Now that is a very grave contradiction within the bahai faith. Yes, bahais say that the reason will be 'clear as the midday sun' but that in itself is not reason. and they don't have valid explanation that can reconcile this great contradiction. Comparing to other religion is not an explanation by the way. ;-)
@farihin80 All ideologies have internal contradictions. Islam pretends to be righteousness and justice while it simultaneously promotes parasitic imperialist suprematism to its adherents, for instance. :)
And isn't it a bit stupid to go by the islamic doctrine to disconfirm the bahai doctrine ? If Bahaism endorsed the idea that Islam was write about things like the nature of Jesus and Muhammad, there would be no need for Bahaism in the very eyes of Bahaism. Otherwise, if the first doctrine is better than the last, now while you're at it you can read the New Testament, and you'll see that the original Jesus is nothing like what Islam says about him. Etc.
@ScipiondeFrance No, it's not stupid to revert to something more authentic. In Islam, the first doctrine is same as the last doctrine (aqeedah). It's the syariah (governing laws) that have slight changes from Allah. You think the New Testament is the original teaching's of Jesus? Who wrote the new testament? Do the writers have last names? Did Jesus teach trinity and original sin? or was it Paul? Prove to me that the new testament is authentic (chain of narrations), then perhaps we'll consider.
@farihin80 I don't believe that the New Testament is "authentic". In fact I believe that the figure of Jesus is a jewish appropriation and exploitation of the cesarean adventure. Viz. carotta.de/subseite/texte/esumma (dot html). But just as Jesus as such didn't exist, Muhammed didn't exist either. That name was originally a leadership title (an arabization of ish-hammudot, "man of proclivities", from the Book of Daniel) and not a proper name.
@ScipiondeFrance Muhammad as we know his story was invented more than a century after he is supposed to have existed. The Quran doesn't even talk about Mekkah, which didn't even exist back then, but it talks about Jerusalem. And it wasn't even created to be supposed to be a revelation from God ; it is a compilation of judeo-christian nazarene preachings to convert the Arabs to their doctrine, so as to conquer Jerusalem rebuild the temple, and bring the end of times.
@ScipiondeFrance But they did conquer Jerusalem and build a cubic structure (shape of the holy of holies of the Temple of Salomon, which we also find in the Kaaba today) but Jesus didn't come back, there was no end of times. So the nazarene creed was then refashioned into an ideology designed to legitimate and extend the Aram empire which had already de facto been started. That's when Muhammad as a single Arab prophet was invented ; that's when Mekkah was built to anchor arabism in, etc.
@farihin80 Authenticity is a subjective judgement with regard to the ancient religions and in my view a red herring. The real issues are Faith, the content of doctrine and the historical tradition. I respect Christianity, Islam and Judaism as authentic ways to God for the righteous man or woman as did Mohammed, peace be upon Him.
@Mokkor why in the world do you spell 'Him' with a capital 'H'? Do you somehow think that Muhammad is divine that you need to address him with a capital 'H'? That is how bahais think, not us muslims. Muhammad, he was a man whose message was divine. His grave is in medina and we muslims do not pray to his grave, rather we are commanded to pray in the direction where the ka'ba was built on. The ka'ba is not divine either coz muslim climb on it for the adhan (call to prayer).
@farihin80 I apologize for this error. I agree with what you say, Muhammad was a man of flesh and blood as were Jesus and Moses. This is what all true Christians should believe, it is unfortunate that Paul mystified the teaching in my view. Jesus had to be fully human otherwise his suffering, temptation and love for his fellow men would be meaningless since none could follow him.
@Mokkor Actually Sir, nothing about Paul's writing mystifies or even deifies Christ. Pauline theology is quite minimal, essential, and is in line with what Peter and the disciples concluded appropriate for Gentile Christians. It is John's Gospel, and the words of Christ therein, which indicate to us that while fully flesh and blood and human, that the Messiah is more than a man like us.
@Mokkor The Injeel sent to Jesus is authentic, if christians follow that then they true followers of Jesus (a.s). But christians follow the bible which has no authentically known origins. The authors are unknown, or rather their last names are unknown. Check out Robert Beckford's documentary on the 'Who wrote the bible'.
It's well established that the Coran is a califal invention on the basis of the judeo-christian nazarene sect, rather. And the Coran is a literal mess, unreadable really (maybe that's why so many muslims can't read, to preserve themselves from realizing how much islam is bullshit, lol).
@ScipiondeFrance Firstly thank you for your time in listening to my talk. Regarding your allegation on Quran being an 'human' invention, then how do you explain all the accuracies regarding science and Quran? IF the Quran was man-made, then it would be like Bahai writings, full of scientific flaws. And the Quran is much more easier to read than any other 'holy' book on earth, but perhaps it is unreadable to you. Also if you don't want to understand, then you can never understand it.
@farihin80 Like what accuracies ? The Quran has revealed not one scientific fact previously unknown. And it has a lot of more than dubious propositions, like the one tending to let believe that the Earth is flat... And you are wrong, the Quran is a mess - stylistically, it is a mumbo-jumbo of bits and pieces patched together, going from the first person to the third, and back, for no reason other than to obscure the reality of its bogusness. I well understand, that it's crap.
Born a Christian, I later recognized Muhammad. After that, I studied deeply the Writings of Baha'u'llah. I urge everyone to study the Writings of all three and form your own conclusions, never seeing thru the eyes of others, and seeking with real detachment and prayer, the truth for your selves.
"This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future" Baha'u'llah
@fsmtdaler - You said that you 'recognized' Muhammad (s.a.w). Two implications here: 1) You are now murtad (apostate), coz you 'recognized' Muhammad (s.a.w) before, 2) "recognized' here would indicate you know about Islam and Muhammad (solatullah wasalamu alaihi) through the Bahai faith, which tells you only the perverted Shiite twisted understanding. This means you did not really dwelve into Islam or even know about Muhammad (s.a.w).
@farihin80 Please explain to me how the Bahai faith tells us a twisted way of the Qu'ran when we read out of the Qur'an itself. And you yourself have just expained that the Qur'an cannot be grammatically incorrect.
@BAHAIRULES Firstly, Bahaullah takes bits and pieces of the Quran and gives unauthorized and unislamic interpretations. When interpreting the Quran there are rules like sources must be authentic or ideas must be inline with the Syariah taught by Prophet Muhammad. For example: Surah Zilzalah (Quaking), bahaullah with just that one surah interprets Zilzalah to mean quaking of the heart. Is there any foundation for such a claim in Quran or Sunnah of prophet Muhammad? I hope you catch my drift..
@fsmtdaler Otherwise, you would be able to recite fatiha or tell me which surah was revealed to the final Prophet of Islam, Muhammad (s.a.w). The founder of the Bahai Faith was neither a prophet nor a messenger but it was an invention of the zionist.
@farihin80 LOL Baha'u'llah existed at the end of the 1800s and you deny his existance there are pictures of him there are many pictures of his flesh and blood (Abdul,shogi). you cannot deny he existed for far too many people have seen him.
@BAHAIRULES Who denies his existence? There is no doubt about Bahaullah's existence and misguidance. But is there any sunnah from Bahaullah? Is there any hadith? is there things from his sayings or actions that we can refer that is authorative? That's where Islam is superior to the Bahai Faith.
@farihin80 Yes for one it was hand written himself so we know that his teachings came straight from God and not a false prophet. Two Bahá'u'lláh named `Abdu'l-Bahá as Centre of the Covenant, successor and interpreter of Bahá'u'lláh's writings, whom later passed this duty on to Shogi effendi, whom created the universal house of justice. It was proclaimed by Baha'u'llah that Abdu'l-baha was the perfect Bahai and that we should all strive to be him.
@BAHAIRULES When Bahaullah named his successors, was it a Sunnah (his tradition) or Wahy (Revelation from God)? I sincerely hope you know the difference. If you all should strive to be like abdul baha, then you all should attend muslim friday prayers until the end of your lives just like Abdul Baha did. In fact he died on a friday, after praying the congregational prayers of the muslims. Let's see if you walk the talk now.
@farihin80 LOL i would also like to see exactly where you got this information of Abdul.And we have many traditions which are to be done. Both Bahau'llah and Abdu'l-baha have stated : The Six Requisites for Spiritual Growth 1) recite each day of one of the Oligitory Payers with pure hearted devotion.2) the regular reading of the Sacred Scriptures, each morning and each night with reverence, attention, and thought.3) Prayerful meditation on the teachings so that we may understand them more deeply
@BAHAIRULES I think you don't know what sunnah is. Who is abdul baha to give sunnah? Was he a prophet? Did he have divine inspiration like Bahaullah too? Did Bahaullah give you any sunnah that wasn't revelation? Again I hope you know the difference between Sunnah and Wahyu... So far your answers tell me that you still don't know the difference.
@farihin80 This sunnah came from Baha'u'llah and Abdu'l-baha beacuse as you stated Baha'u'llah made a wahy(revelation from god) that Abdu'l-baha was his succsesor and Shogi effendi after him.The blog you posted i warn all viewers not to trust a man's word who has biased judgement, who has twisted the story of Abdu'l-baha, cannot even spell any of the names correctly, does not cite his sources, and how would he know what Abdul-baha would do with his friday if he traveld the world spreading Bahai
@farihin80 -fullfill them more faithfully and convey them more accuratly to others.4) Striving every day to bring our behaviour more into accordance with the high standards that are set forth in the Teachings.5) Teach the cause of God. 6) selfless service in the work of the cause and in the carrying on of our unity.Now these are few of the many traditions that we Bahai's follow, these are just the ones we do each day. and please send a link or some proof of Abdu'l-baha's praying muslim prayers
@BAHAIRULES See even you don't know that Abdul Baha prayed Friday prayers with muslims. If you really want to know, then go here: formerbahai.blogspot.com/2010/05/abbas-effendi-joker-without-cause-must.html. Then check up on the sources quoted on that blog. Find out for yourself. Then follow him if you are truthful.
@BAHAIRULES If you say Bahaullah has Sunnah, then describe to me in detail how he performed obligatory prayers. Honestly if you cannot do that, then you have no knowledge. IMHO.
@fsmtdaler Bahaullah is a false prophet and his works are no where near the Quran. I fear for you a painful punishment if you still insist in believing this bahai invented lies. Wa aitu allaha wa rasula la'alakum turhamun.(obey Allah and the messenger so that mercy will be upon you.) Obey Allah means Quran and obey the prophet means the Sunnah. And the Sunnah of the Prophet (s.a.w) is preserved in ahadith works (unlike Shiites who lie in their ahadith).
@farihin80 See this proves how little you know about the Bahai Faith i doubt you have even read a single one of Baha'u'llah's scriptures or are to ignorant to understand THE BAHAI FAITH HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE QU'RAN and all other scriptures of God, Allah, Brahimn and all other names for the one true Being
@BAHAIRULES So typical. When you are unable to defend your Bahai Faith, just resort to name calling. And somehow those imminent questions are going to answer themselves!? Like why bahaullah left the calculation for zakat hanging? Why his 'revelation' wasn't completed? Why Shogi effendi dies without an heir? How come Abdul Baha ex-communicated his half brother, Muhammad Ali, when he was mentioned by Bahaullah in writing that he was next to succeed abdul baha? instead of calling names, answer!
@BAHAIRULES The Bahai faith is an offshoot of Shiism (which is a deviated offshoot from true Islam). So you can imagine just how far they've come from guidance of Allah. For example, would you expect that there would be born a Guardian for your Bahai faith from among the Covenant Breakers?? Of course not. That's what I'm saying, that Shiism is lost, and from there comes Bahai Faith, so you cannot squeeze any juice from bahai faith except misguidance.
@fsmtdaler Honey you are NOT BORN A CHRISTIAN. You are BORN A SINNER. See, it is clear you miss the whole of point of whom JESUS CHRIST is! You can't be BORN A CHRISTIAN. You can be "born" into a "family structure" where CHRIST JESUS is taught. But, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST is a PERSONAL WALK a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP, you must ACCEPT HIM FOR YOURSELF (mom and dad can not do it for you). Now... YOU CAN BE BORN AGAIN UNTO CHRIST JESUS and that is THE NEW BIRTH -- FREE FROM SIN! :)
Everytime the waves of the ocean hit the shores, some garbage is deposited on the shores. This is one way the ocean cleanse itself of impurities. It appears that the wavies of the ocean of the Baha'i Faith have thus disposed of you too. No disprespect to you, of course, but there is one less garbage in the ocean now.
@Seanwxyz that is a nice way to insult me. Its ok. As long as you get my msg, then its fine. I hope you do some independant investigation of your own too. See how come guardian dies without an heir, why bahaullah dies before the measurement for zakat was given, why bab gave the bayan to subhi azal to complete it, etc. It is all the makings of a false religion. Insyallah i hope you can see this one day...
@Seanwxyz The bahai faith is not an ocean, unfortunately it is a mud puddle. No one wants to get in, believe me! And all those trapped within it have so much mud in their eyes that they think its diamonds. Yuk! Go have your diamonds, but remember, Husayn Ali is going to have an eternity of hard time in Jahnnam (Hell Fire). You decide you want to follow him there or not. You have a choice. Don't let our small squabble blind you from the truth of Islam. Save yourselves before it's too late.
@farihin80 I wish you well, my friend. I am a Baha'i. I investigated the Baha'i Faith for 16 years before I decided to become a Baha'i. The more I investigate, the more clear it becomes to me that the Baha'i Faith is a religion from God. I regard you as a friend because the Baha'i Faith teaches me to love even those who hate my Faith.
@Seanwxyz Why is it that Baha'i forbids the ways of monasticism, ritual, celibacy and withdrawal from the World? In this way, Baha'i spits upon millennia of religious practice. How can Baha'i therefore claim to represent and embrace all other religions? Another example: Baha'is claim to be Christians, yet this is impossible since they deny Original Sin. Baha'i is sowing the seeds of discord, not unity. It is a false religion unquestionably.
@fsmtdaler you see islam has a beginning and it was with the first prophet Adam (alayhisalam), and will end with destruction of this world. In the hereafter, there is no way of life known as Islam anymore. so how can you say that islam is eternal? Only Allah is eternal, everything else will perish except Allah, the Creator.
I guess this is why my ancestors converted FROM Islam TO the Faith (and not "Baha'ism" as Farihin80 thinks it is called). Any member of this Faith passed or present knows that we never call it that so he is obviously lying. But hey, if Islam preaches lying that must be why thousands of Muslims turned to the Faith, just as my family did. I am so happy and grateful for that. It must be sad to have to resort to religious bashing in a failing attempt to gather converts.
@hazelnutchoc9 Look hazelnut, all I'm saying is in the Quran and Sunnah of the Prophet. It doesn't matter to me whether you become muslim or not, I dont earn anything. My job is to convey the message that there is no diety worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad is the slave of Allah and His last and final messenger and prophet. If you accept the Quran and the guidance of Muhammad (solawatu allah alaihi) by repenting from your religion and accepting Islam, then you will earn Jannah, Paradise
@hazelnutchoc9 Turn to Allah in repentance before you die and all your bad deeds will be turned to good deeds. But if deny the Quran and final prophethood of Muhammad (solawatu wasalamu alaihi) and die on that denial, then be warned of a humiliating torment in blazing fire where you will be in forever. This is the clear message I convey to you, I hope Allah give you hidayah and increase me in tawfiq and barakah and forgive my sins. Ameen.
Farin80 clearly you are retarded. Please do Allah a favour- don't promote your evil thoughts as His command. You embarrass the human race with your stupidity, arrogance & misinformation. Your questions show the world how truly misguided & idiotic you are. I have no idea what you are blabbing about but thank you for showing me why the developed world hates your religion. Your religion is hateful & unGodly - you have raped the holy teachings by the Prophet Mohammad to suit your own wretched heart.
@hazelnutchoc9 Robbi ishrahli soddri wayassirli amri wahlul uqdatami lisani yafkahu kauli. Nauzubillah minki ya hazelnut wa ma takulina. Allahuma la'in li qolbahum kama la'inta li daud alhadid. Ameen.
well, do u know arabic? if you knew, then you'd know that in the Quran Allah says that the change from night to day is gradual. This cannot happen on flat surface, because day will turn into night very suddenly.
Regarding sources of the language, once it is popularly used, then it become part of the arabic language. This is due to the mixing of cultures. That is not a contention.
All your questions are actually answered in Zakir Naik's talk in Quran and science.
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SectsOfBahaisDotCom 4 days ago
Everything you are saying is false and nonsense.
First thing is nobody gets the religon from birth parents in Baha'i faith, you must study all the other religions and choose your own faith when you are adult, even if your parents are Baha'i!!!
I have never seen anybody leaving Baha'i faith for other religion.
If anybody wants to learn more this is not a creditable guy to listen to.
olich23 4 weeks ago
The Koran is not science,and neither is the bible.
bigpecker251 1 month ago
@bigpecker251 Havent you read the Noble Quran? Allah says: Iqra' bismi robikallazi kholaq, kholaqol insaana min alaq (Recite in the name of your Lord who created, created man from a clot that clings.) If you remember your own creation when you were in the womb, you started out as an 'alaq', meaning a clot that clung to the placenta of the womb. Alaq also mean to feed off, and when you were that alaq, you fed off your mother... That is science and signs for you to reflect and repent to Allah.
farihin80 1 month ago
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Everything you are saying is false and nonsense.
First thing is nobody gets the religon from birth parents in Baha'i faith, you must study all the other religions and choose your own faith when you are adult, even if your parents are Baha'i!!!
I have never seen anybody leaving Baha'i faith for other religion.
If anybody wants to learn more this is not a creditable guy to listen to.
olich23 4 weeks ago
Baha'i never taught about reincarnation..it strange you say that...May be you are confuse about the spirit of the same God we worship found in His Messengers...There is no born Baha'i. Baha'i Faith teaches that everyone should investigate the truth for themselves..I am happy you found your Faith..My family is from Muslim background and we also found that Baha'i is what we were searching for....peace
rossinibkk 1 month ago
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@rossinibkk You havent investigated bahaism and its false teachings. Why is the law for zakat incomplete? Coz Hussein dies before he could write it! or why women can't serve on uhj? or how to achieve 'world peace' when you bahais cannot unite with the 'covenant breakers'? If a muslim leaves Islam for bahaism, its the worst choice coz it's a hay stack of contradictions and mistakes, and it's not accepted by Allah.
farihin80 1 month ago
Somebody has paid you some good Money to talk all this nonsense! LOL
smoosav9 1 month ago
@smoosav9 Yes, insyallah my payment is forgiveness and Rahmah from Allah for exposing the lies in the Bahai faith. Ameen.
farihin80 1 month ago
GAY
aneeswollf 1 month ago
Islams who believe in the jihad . Your all ready radical ass holes who lie to my
Face and call me an infidel behind my back. Your description of Allah is the biblical devil and in the book Dante's inferno muhammad is burning real good and unless u repent that's where your going to , Jesus spoke of u people saying you didn't even know who u worshipped
Tommylavallee14 2 months ago
Muslim faith is just as bad . Jesus is where it's at
Tommylavallee14 2 months ago
How is the Baha'i Faith a "false religion?" The definition for 'religion' is: The belief of a superhuman controlling power, especially a God or Gods. Put this way, the Baha'i Faith is a real religion. It doesn't matter whether or not it's evil, because evil is just an opinion. The reason you guys hate us is because you think we're apostasizing from Islam.
Ampho23 2 months ago
@Ampho23 Yes, bahais are apostates and should be treated as such. But the main reason is coz bahaism lies about Islam and the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Bahaism claims that prophet Muhammad said that he is the return of Jesus (look in Kitab-i-Iqan). That is a lie! Prophet Muhammad never said that.
farihin80 1 month ago
You are an asshole :D :D :D
drparisa 2 months ago
I was just looking up videos to learn more about Baha'i for my world religions class...but i am truely sickened to the core by the ammount of close mindedness i found. What do you guys hope to prove in discrediting certain religions and promoting others? It seems like a childish fight over who is 'right'. I am not Baha'i or Islam so am not biased whatsoever, i could care less which religion you choose but know that without the ability of acceptance, world peace will never be obtained.
danclay91 2 months ago
@danclay91 Alhamdulillah, if you feel sick or angry when the truth is said, then you are on falsehood. Only with Islam is true peace and justice. The Jews and Christians used to live side by side with the muslims without injustice against them in an islamic state. Unlike what's happening in Palestine today, the zionists are transgressing all bounds
farihin80 1 month ago
@farihin80 Look at the debate on this video. No conclusion will ever be met. Any true believer of any faith is not going to chose another just because someone says it's better. Religion should never tear people apart. It's like everyone's looking at this as a "who's religion is better" competition. Who cares what you believe? It does not completely define you as a person. If we can't see past our differences then we will NEVER have peace no matter which religion is prodominent.
danclay91 1 month ago
@farihin80 It's just truely saddening that there is so much hatred based upon religious choice. So many people on this video hate each other without even truely knowing them. Since i don't know anything about you other then your islam, you are completely neutral to me. Shouldn't it be that way? What good has ever come from judging an entire category of people without knowing them? It leads to prejudice, racism, and war. There is no benefit from it.
danclay91 1 month ago
all i need to know about islam i learned on 9/11 go die terrorist bastards
persiangodfather 3 months ago
the koran is accepting of all If Allah so willed, he would have made you a single People, but his plan is to test each of you separately, in what He has given to each of you: so strive in all virtues as in you are in a race. The goal of all of you is to Allah. It is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute. (Quran 5:48)
To give you must recieve. Spirituality or Religion isnt here to prove who is right or who is wrong. IT IS HERE TO RECIEVE AND GIVE LOVE.
daislor8675 3 months ago
fail again. thats not proof asshole. the ancient greeks knew some small invisable thing caused people to get sick but im not going to start worshiping zeus. divinci predicted man flying so where is divincism? religion only exsists because dumbasses like you beleive in it.
jabx55 3 months ago
@jabx55 good thing assholes like you have a one way ticket directly to hell without stops. Alhamdulillah. But you can avert it by repentance. Fool! the greeks didn't know about the womb and sperm, etc.
farihin80 3 months ago
You bahais read too much of Bahai mumbo-jumbo scriptures and that's why you think that all religion must be similarly twisted and make no sense. You are just like a child playing in the mud and think that another place called 'ocean' should be similar too. That's coz you're in the mud. Time to get out, swim in the ocean, then you'll know the difference, then you've grown up. Grow up children. ;-)
farihin80 3 months ago
If you are a bahai, that automatically means that you deny Islam, and Allah said in Quran that he hates the deniers. And He has prepared Hell as a place of destination for the deniers and disbelievers. I can only warn you, but you all will know the truth on that day when there's no point regretting. Bahai filth (aka bahaism) is full of contradiction, it beats the bible. :-) If any of you know anything about Islam, just try explaining Al-Fatiha and let's discuss...
farihin80 3 months ago
Yea dude as soon as you said there is proof in the koran, you failed.
jabx55 3 months ago 2
@jabx55 You failed when you can't see the proofs in the Noble Quran. Allah said that He created man starting out as a leech like appearance clinging (Surah Alaq / Iqra), and today (20th century) we know that it's true. Even scientists have admitted that this knowledge is unknown until now. Allah speaks about separating the fresh water and salt water. about vehicles, about depth of oceans and light penetration. If you can't see the proofs, then you failed. Stop failing and start studying please.
farihin80 3 months ago
@jabx55 Lol sorry little Baha'i cult member loser dork, you pervert everything you touch, i guess that's what happens with false profits and the curse you bring to yourself s lol i will pray as God tells me to, but must laugh at your cult which is very close to Mormons in Utah... u take from an existing religion and add your own crap, then you fake a living profit, lol I dont agree with Islam but i can see how you people really screwed them over perverting their teaching,
bahaiculteatsnuts 2 months ago
@bahaiculteatsnuts You are up there with one of the most hateful people i have seen online. You think your hatred is backed by your faith but it really isn't. "Love your enemies... Do good to them that hate you" (Matt. 5:44). It seems to me that you do not even follow your own religion. and A. you spelled prophet wrong and B. Christianity started as a branch off of judaism. Meaning it too took from preexisting religion. Hatred is never the way to heaven my friend.
danclay91 4 weeks ago
farihin80, reading this page informs me that it is not a place for true discussion. It seems that you created it to express your own views (dogma) and then to mock those who attempt to disagree.
It's your's. You can think and say whatever you wish. But, believe me, your theological constructions and "taught" beliefs can be quite easily addressed.
And, by the way, there are NO contradictions in the Baha'i Writings. Such things are only within our limited minds.
MrUser51 4 months ago
@MrUser51 Not just express my views, but the facts of life itself. The Quran is Al-Haq (the truth) from Allah Al-Mighty, my Lord and Creator. There are plenty of contradictions. Why Shogi Effendi died without an heir when it was obligatory? Why Guardianship ended when UHJ and guardianship are the twin pillars of nwo? Why Abdulbaha excommunicate his half brother when he was next in line and mentioned in kitab-i-ahd by name (that you regard as divine revelation)? Why women aren't allowed on uhj?
farihin80 3 months ago
I think it's strange that you say you were born Baha'i and still you use the tern Baha'ism. Baha'is use the term Baha'i faith. Second, the Baha'i faith never teach reincarnation. The scriotures talk about return which is something else. It is never the same person or soul that returs to the earth, it's the same essens, the same qualities, the same spiritual reality. All the prophets or Manifeatations of God are as perfect mirrors reflecting the attributes of God into the physical world.
oystef2304 5 months ago
@oystef2304 Then you should read Iqan. Where bahaullah claims that Muhammad said that he was Adam, Noah, etc. Although prophet Muhammad (pbuh) never said those things and bahaullah lied about it, the fact is bahaullah is promoting the idea of reincarnation using twisted logic. Read my friend. One of the attributes of God is ever-living, can your manifestation mirror that? Nope, he's dead!
farihin80 3 months ago
@farihin80 The logic of the Manifestations of God are always twisted for the people they are coming to. It goes for Moses, it goes for Jesus and for Muhammad and other Manifeatations or prophets if you like. Look at how they suffered and was persecuted. If the majority of the people knew and understood their logic they would never needed to come to them. This is what the Kitab-i-Iqan tells about. I have read the book and I can read it many times again. It gives me certitute.
oystef2304 3 months ago
@minissa2009 u know nothing about islam. It's not about some say this and that. The prophet's miracles are agreed upon by all muslims. Those who argue about his miracles aren't muslims. Obviously you aren't a muslim as you have addressed muhammad (pbuh) with capital 'He' means you are a bahai and know nothing about islam. go study. :-)
farihin80 6 months ago
@kafir1917 I just hope your nickname won't stick with u after this life. if u r a bahai, u don't need a psychiatrist, u need an asylum. May God help those around you. :-)
farihin80 6 months ago
@Beulah502 if you are a baha'i, then u are the confused party. You will realize this when you see the angel Israfil come to pull out your soul. if you want safety, then reject the bahai false religion and accept Islam. If not, then it's your choice to dwell in hell forever. I'm not confused about that.
farihin80 6 months ago
so: you hate bahaii's because "they dont have a proof for their god". But you claim that "Qoran has sceintific proof for god". !!!!!!
You need psychiatric help, very very soon....
kafir1917 6 months ago
@kafir1917 Not their god but there founder who was a fraud a fake false prophet!!!!!!!!!!!
moeazysgc 6 months ago
@moeazysgc so who is your "founder"?!!
kafir1917 5 months ago
@kafir1917 There is no founder of Islam! Islam is submission to God almighty the Creator Allah, Adam was the first prophet n all prophets/messengers after him preached the same One message of submitting to the will/commandments of the Creator Allah(God almighty) for example Noah, Enoch, Elijah, David, John the Baptist, Jesus were prophets/messengers of God Almighty n Muhammad(saw) was the Final/Last of the long line up of the prophets/messengers n completed the religion(Deen) from God! Peace
moeazysgc 5 months ago
This man is confused
Beulah502 6 months ago
In terms of Muhammad performing miracles (I think this is what you mean), this is a very controversial subject amongst Muslim scholars. (I think a lot of Muhammad's practices, He created in order to counterbalance the way Christianity of the time had veered from Christ's messages.) Some say Muhammad performed them; many more say he prayed and God sent angels to help Him. The Bab and Baha'u'llah performed miracles, many privately, but this is a shaky argument to put forth for which faith is true
minissa2009 6 months ago
Just wondering who in the world taught you all this misinfo about the Baha'i Faith. Have you read any texts (including the Qur'an)? You've been grossly misinformed. The Baha'i Faith is the pattern for world peace and a spiritualized society. Service on the House of Justice is a duty from which women are excused, not a privilege denied. On the video: interminable still slides and extemporaneous speech were putting me to sleep till I'd hear another outrageous claim about Baha'is and their beliefs.
minissa2009 6 months ago
Good on You brother! May Allah show the rest poor unfortunate bahai believers to the right path!
MarMirWar 6 months ago
Great video. Bahai is the fakest religion, I really hate it. To the hell with the concept of bringing ALL RACES into one nation bulls**t, it's all so f**king fake I HATE HATE HATE BAHAISME.
CrystalCoffin 7 months ago
@CrystalCoffin Wow, where did this hateful attitude come from? This sounds like a post from a member of a group like Aryan Nations when you say you can't bring the races together and then you have to swear to get your point across. Baha'is are bringing the races together every day (albeit it's sometimes an uphill climb). If the world does not soon figure out how to unite, mankind's days are limited because we will blow ourselves to Kingdom Come!
minissa2009 6 months ago
Why I am not a follower of the Bahai Faith:
1.) I don't believe in equality. (There is no way I am equal to you, for instance).
2.) I don't believe in One World Government. (That kind of crap reminds me of communist ideology that was aggressive and arrogant)
3.) I am not signing any damn card no matter how much they lie about it. In fact, I ought to bring a hidden camera and a recording device which will record every deceptive moves and suggestions, such as post-hypnotic).
4.)Other reasons
Nguli34689 7 months ago
@Nguli34689 - Agree with your first reason for sure. We can all go on to do great things in our lives but sadly we are not all equal. There are winners and losers in life. People should ask themselves this questions about Baha'is: Are they really that nice or are they gladhanding?
Steven170890 5 months ago
LOL dude you are seriously blind sighted and confused,
MrOaet113 7 months ago
MOHAMMAD? SENT FOR WORLD?
SO WHY HE DOSENT WRITE QURAN BY OWN?
WHY AFTER 50 YEARS QURAN MADE BY PEOPLES?
chatrbaz84 7 months ago
WHY ALL OF RELIGION WANT TO GET ALL OF PEOPLE TO THEY RELIGION????
chatrbaz84 7 months ago
This nice man has a confused mind
Beulah502 7 months ago
Now visit richarddawkins(dot)net or bahai(dot)org. Your choice, both make more sense than what you currently believe.
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
Bahaullah sent down Jesus from heaven and have the Quran to Muhammad through Jibril
AJatheistgod 7 months ago
@AJatheistgod WHAT?? now bahaullah is the GOD?? if he is why did he need to be born like the way everyother human being was born? from a dad and mum? why did he need to eat and drink?? and why is he dead?? a dead God is better off dead!!!! makes no freaking sence what so ever!!
MarMirWar 6 months ago
5 It is for this reason that the Day of Resurrection is said to be the greatest of all days, yet it is like unto any other day."
fsmtdaler 7 months ago
4 Likewise in this Dispensation of the Point of the Bayan, if the people had not refused to concede the name believer unto Him, how could they have incarcerated Him on this mountain, without realizing that the quintessence of belief oweth its existence to a word from Him? Their hearts are deprived of the power of true insight, and thus they cannot see, while those endowed with the eyes of the spirit circle like moths round the Light of Truth until they are consumed.
fsmtdaler 7 months ago
3 Yet those who are veiled believe that He is one like them, and they refuse to even call Him a believer, although such a title in the realm of His heavenly Kingdom is conferred everlastingly upon the most insignificant follower of His previous Dispensation. Thus, had the people in the days of the Apostle of God regarded Him at least as a believer of their time how would they have debarred Him, for seven years while He was in the mountain, from access to His Holy House [Ka'bah]?
fsmtdaler 7 months ago
2 When the Apostle of God [Muhammad] appeared, He did not announce unto the unbelievers that the Resurrection had come, for they could not bear the news. That Day is indeed an infinitely mighty Day, for in it the Divine Tree proclaimeth from eternity unto eternity, "Verily, I am God. No God is there but Me."
fsmtdaler 7 months ago
1 "The Day of Resurrection is a day on which the sun riseth and setteth like unto any other day. How oft hath the Day of Resurrection dawned, and the people of the land where it occurred did not learn of the event. Had they heard, they would not have believed, and thus they were not told.
fsmtdaler 7 months ago
4 On that Day the Trumpet shall be sounded and all who dwell in heaven and earth be seized with fear, except those whom Allah will be pleased to save. All shall come to Him in utter humility… But those that have done evil shall be hurled headlong into the Fire… To him that goes astray, say 'I have warned you.'
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
3 They shall be led in separate bands before Allah, who will say to them: 'You denied My revelations although you knew nothing of them. What was it that you were doing?' Our doom will smite them for their sins, and they shall be dumbfounded…
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
2 The dead cannot hear you, nor can you make the dear hear your call when they turn their backs and pay no heed. It is not for you to guide the blind out of their error. None shall hear you except those who believe in Our revelations and surrender themselves to Us… On that Day there shall be gathered from every nation a multitude who disbelieved in Our revelations.
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
1 from the sacred text of the Holy Quran, the Ant: We shall make their foul deeds seem fair to them, so that they blunder about in their folly… Moses, I am Allah, the Mighty, the Wise One. 'Put your hand into your pocket. It will come out white, although unharmed. This is but one of nine signs which shall be shown to Pharaoh and his people; for, truly, they are wicked men.'… and their eyes are sealed.
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
They ask of one another: 'What words do these fools utter, and in what valley are they wont to graze? Do they deny that whereunto their very souls testify, and shut their eyes to that which they plainly behold?' I swear by God, O people! They that inhabit the Cities of the Names of God are bewildered at your actions, while ye roam, aimless and unconscious, in a parched and barren land. Suriy-I-Haykal from the Summons of the Lord of Hosts Baha'u'llah
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
Ye recite the sacred verses and yet repudiate Him Who is their Source and Revealer. Thus hath God blinded your eyes in requital for your deeds, would ye but understand. Day and night ye transcribe the verses of God, and yet ye remain shut out, as by a veil, from Him Who hath revealed them. In this Day the Concourse on high beholdeth you in your evil doings and shunneth your company, and yet ye perceive it not.
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
"I swear by Him Who hath fashioned Me from the light of His own Beauty! None have I ever seen that surpasseth you in heedlessness or exceedeth you in ignorance. Ye seek to prove your faith in God through such holy Tablets as ye possess, yet when the verses of God were revealed and His Lamp was lighted, ye disbelieved in Him Whose very Pen hath fixed the destinies of all things in the Preserved Tablet.
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
continued Thus, ages have passed and centuries rolled away, and that most pure Spirit hath repaired unto the retreats of its ancient sovereignty. Once more hath the eternal Spirit breathed into the mystic trumpet, and caused the dead to speed out of their sepulchers of heedlessness and error unto the realm of guidance and grace. And yet, that expectant community still crieth out: 'When shall these things be?'" Kitab-I-Iqan p 25 Baha'u'llah
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
@fsmtdaler So has the resurrection come to pass or not? make up your mind for God's sake! Now he says - "and caused the dead to speed out of their sepulchers of heedlessness " - again placing readers into a state confusion when just moments before, he said "Otherwise that which hath been revealed is decisive and final and will be faithfully upheld by all until the Day of Resurrection..". Bahaullah can't make up his mind. Someone should help that poor and confused man-ifestation.
farihin80 8 months ago
continued The ignorant among the Christian community, following the example of the leaders of their faith, were likewise prevented from beholding the beauty of the King of Glory, inasmuch as those signs which were to accompany the dawn of the sun of the Muhammadan Dispensation did not actually come to pass.
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
QUOTE A 'Inasmuch as the Christian divines have failed to apprehend the meaning of these words, and did not recognize the object of their purpose, and have clung to the literal interpretation of the words of Jesus, they therefore became deprived of the streaming grace of the Muhammadan Revelation and its showering bounties.
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
Part 15 We have taken compassion on thee, as a sign of Our grace, inasmuch as thou hast related thyself unto Us. Verily, We are aware of all things. We are cognizant of thy righteous deeds, though they shall avail thee nothing; for the whole object of such righteousness is but recognition of God, thy Lord, and undoubted faith in the Words revealed by Him." His Holiness, the Bab
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
Part 14 We enjoin thee to save thyself and all the inhabitants of that land from the fire, then to enter the peerless and exalted Paradise of His good-pleasure. Otherwise the day is approaching when thou shalt perish and enter the fire, when thou shalt have neither patron nor helper from God.
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
@fsmtdaler again another mundane contradiction in bahai writings - "Otherwise the day is approaching when thou shalt perish and enter the fire" - Hey, bahais don't believe in hell fire. Someone should inform Bahaullah, you know... It's not nice for a 'manifestation' to say contradictory to what he means. ;-)
farihin80 8 months ago
Part 13 Therein thou must beg pardon of thy Lord, turn unto Him in repentance and be of them that are wholly devoted to Him. Perchance God will transform thy fire into light at the next Resurrection. He, of a truth, is the Protector, the Most Exalted, the Ever-Forgiving. Unto Him bow down in worship all that are in the heavens and on the earth and whatever lithe between them; and unto Him shall all return.
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
Part 12 Wert thou to come unto Us while divine revelation is descending upon Us, haply God will change thy fire into light. Verily, He is the Ever-Forgiving, the Most Generous. Otherwise that which hath been revealed is decisive and final and will be faithfully upheld by all until the Day of Resurrection… If divine revelation ceaseth, thou shouldst write a petition unto Him Whom God shall make manifest, imploring that it be delivered into His presence.
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
@fsmtdaler Here's the clincher! Bahaullah claims that his appearance IS the day of resurrection. Now he says "Otherwise that which hath been revealed is decisive and final and will be faithfully upheld by all until the Day of Resurrection..", meaning even Bahaullah thinks that the day of resurrection has not arrived. So which is it? Are Bahai still waiting for a day of resurrection or not? To me personally this is dim-witted contradiction that only proves that Bahaullah was not messenger of God.
farihin80 8 months ago
@farihin80 Each time when a Manifestation of God appears, that Day is the Day of Resurrection of the previous Manifestation. When Jesus said, "I am the Resurrection and the life. No one cometh to the Father but by Me." He is the Resurrection of Moses. Likewise, Muhammad is the Resurrection of Jesus. The Bab is the Resurrection of Muhammad, and Baha'u'llah is the Resurrection of the Bab.
Each has a distinct individuality, a mother, father, etc, their own DNA. The eternal spirit is One
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
Part 11 Thou contendest, 'How can we recognize Him when we have heard naught but words which fall short of irrefutable proofs?' Yet since thou hast acknowledged and recognized Muhammad, the Apostle of God, through the Qur'an, how canst thou withhold recognition from Him Who sent thee the Book, despite thy calling thyself 'His servant'? Verily He doth exercise undisputed authority over His revelations unto all mankind.
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
@fsmtdaler Even Bahaullah confirms that his writings are "short of irrefutable proofs", and doesn't do anything to provide proofs except for mere illogical question, "Yet since thou hast acknowledged and recognized Muhammad..". For example, I say to you, accept me as your prophet BECAUSE you have accepted Jesus before. That is ludicrous! That is NOT PROOF. I hope this is clear to the readers how feeble-minded bahaullah can really be. Is this enough for us to accept as God's words?
farihin80 8 months ago
Part 10 Thou hast named thyself 'Abdu's Sahib [servant of the Lord]. Yet, while God hath, in very truth, made thy Lord manifest, and thou didst set thine eyes upon Him, thou didst not recognize Him, even though thou hadst been called into being for the very purpose of attaining His presence, didst thou but truly believe in the third verse of the chapter entitled 'Thunder'. Qur'an 13
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
Part 9 Nay, by the life of Him Whom God shall make manifest! Neither thou nor any one among His servants can produce the slightest proof, while God shineth transcendent above His creatures and through the power of His behest standeth supreme over all that dwell in the kingdom of heaven and earth and in whatever lithe between them. Verily, He is potent over all created things.
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
Part 8 Thou hast set thyself up as one of the learned in the Faith of Islam, that thou mightiest save the believers, yet thou didst cause them to descend into the fire, for when the verses of God were sent forth thou didst deprive thyself therefrom and yet reckoned thyself to be of the righteous…
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
Part 7 Hadst thou faithfully observed the decree of God, all the inhabitants of that land would have followed thee, and would have themselves entered into the celestial Paradise, content with the good-pleasure of God forevermore. However, on that day thou shalt wish that God had not created thee.
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
@fsmtdaler Another disparity when Bahaullah says: " and would have themselves entered into the celestial Paradise..." - What in the world..? Now there's paradise that can be entered? So its a place? If truly Bahaullah had come to re-educate the world on the nature of Paradise and Hell-Fire, saying that they are allegorical, then he should NOT have used the 'old terms', but rather give out the new meaning, right? This is a real contradiction. again it shows why his writings are not from God.
farihin80 8 months ago
6 Verily all the divines in the land of Kaf [Kufih] shall, even as thyself, be asked by God: 'Is it not strange that a Messenger should have come unto you with a Book, and ye, while confessing your powerlessness, refused to follow the Faith of God which He had brought, and ye persisted in your disbelief? Therefore unto thee shall be assigned the fire which was meant for those who turned aside from God in that land, inasmuch as thou art their leader; would that thou might be of them who heed.
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
@fsmtdaler So Bahai's now believe in the FIRE? -"Therefore unto thee shall be assigned the fire which was meant for those who turned aside from God in that land" - So tell me, is there FIRE OF HELL or not? On one hand, Bahais dont believe in Hell Fire, but then Bahaullah says "Therefore unto thee shall be assigned the fire.."? Again this opposes Bahai views on Heaven and Hell, that they say it's allegorical, and yet we see here IT'S NOT. Such discrepencies are not acceptable as words of God.
farihin80 8 months ago
Part 5 Yet neither the upright deeds thou has wrought during all thy life, nor the exertions thou didst make to banish every thought from thy heart save that of the good-pleasure of God, none of these did in truth profit thee, not even to the extent of a grain of mustard seed, inasmuch as thou didst veil thyself from God and tarried behind at the time of His manifestation.
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
Part 4 We in truth know all things. Hadst thou uttered 'yea' on hearing the Words of God, thou wouldst have been seen to have been worshipping God from the beginning that hath no beginning until the present day, never to have disobeyed Him, not even for the twinkling of an eye.
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
@fsmtdaler Bahaullah's errors: "thou wouldst have been seen to have been worshipping God from the beginning that hath no beginning..." IS IT LOGICAL TO HAVE A BEGINNING when it's reiterated that there is NO BEGINNING? It's just like saying, "Go into the car where there's NO CARS!". The wacky and illogical nature of Bahaullah's wiritings is what I would like to focus on. No Bahais see this problem, coz they have 'DONT QUESTION' attitude, whereas these are grave irrationalities in 'scripture'
farihin80 8 months ago
Part 3 Likewise these words have also been sent down by God, if thou dost but perceive. What is there in the Bayan which kept thee back from recognizing these verses as being sent forth by God, the Inaccessible, the Most Exalted, the All-Glorious? The essence of these words is this: Were We to bring thee to a reckoning, thou wouldst prove thyself empty-handed;
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
Part 2 For who else but God can reveal to a man such clear and manifest verses as overpower all the learned? Since thou hast acknowledged the the revelation of Muhammad, the Apostle of God, then there is no other way open for thee but to testify that whatever is revealed by the Primal Point hath also proceeded from God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting. Is it not true that the Qur'an hath been sent down from God and that all men are powerless before its revelation?
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
"Address to a Muslim Divine" Part 1
"O 'ABDU'S-SAHIB! Verily God and every created thing testify that there is none other God but Me, the Almighty, the Best Beloved… Thy vision is obscured by the belief that divine revelation ended with the coming of Muhammad, and unto this We have borne witness in Our first epistle. Indeed, He Who hath revealed verses unto Muhammad, the Apostle of God, hath likewise revealed verses unto 'Ali-Muhammad.
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
@fsmtdaler there are many errors in bahaullah's writings that you've pasted. Firstly, there is no proof throughout what you've pasted. Just re-iterating concepts. Anyone can write this, coz there's no proof. At least if it had some irrefutable proof that we can hold on to today, then it's worth considering. The Quran is UNLIKE Bahai writings where Allah gives us concepts and proofs to go along with it. Like 'He created man from alaq (leech-shaped clinging congealed blood). That is PROOF.
farihin80 8 months ago
Why do people so often "inherit" the beliefs of those around them? Those born to Jewish family tend to be Jewish. Christian/Christian. Muslim/Muslim, etc. Until one experiences other religions, how can one say that this is true or this is false. So if I were born in Arabia to Muslim parents, I would naturally want to be a part of the wider community. But I was born to Christian parents, so followed that. But then I studied all major religions, including Islam, before finding the Baha'i
fsmtdaler 8 months ago
Do you know why I know Baha'u'llah's claims are true? Because people like you go through so much trouble to calumniate against Him. If He was false, people like you wouldn't feel so threatened by Him and would ignore Him. He strikes a chord in calumniators that makes them afraid so they you fell like you have to "strike out" from defensiveness.
ankharris 8 months ago
@ankharris an effort to state the truth and you call it calumny? That's illogical thinking and can both ways and is a matter of opinion. It's a fact that bahaullah failed to give the measure of zakat when he promised he would! That is a sign of falsehood at it's highest degree. Telling the truth about someone is not called 'striking out' at that person, if you are truthful, then answer all these discrepancies in the bahai faith, otherwise it is you who 'strike out' at others coz fail to defend
farihin80 8 months ago
"O Son of Spirit! The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice. Turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge, and not through the knowledge of they neighbor. Ponder this in your heart. How it behooveth thee to be. Verily, Justice is My gift to thee and the sign of My loving kindness. Set it then before thine eyes."
fsmtdaler 9 months ago
"O Son of Spirit!" My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly, and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty, ancient, eternal, and everlasting." Baha'u'llah
fsmtdaler 9 months ago
"He is the Glory of Glories" This is that which hath descended from the realm of glory, uttered by the tongue of power and might, and revealed unto the Prophets of old. We have taken the inner essence thereof and clothed it in the garment of brevity, as a token of grace unto the righteous, that they may stand faithful unto the Covenant of God, fulfill in their lives His trust, and in the realm of spirit obtain the gem of Divine Virtue." Hidden Words of Baha'u'llah
fsmtdaler 9 months ago
I am a Christian, and believe in and follow Jesus Christ as God's Son and final Word. Even if you do not believe in the Baha'i beliefs and prophet, please stand up for their right to exist, and have safety. They face a lot of persecution from Muslims around the world, and difficulties.
graceinmay 9 months ago
@graceinmay Baha'i is a direct assault on Christianity. Christ's sacrifice has no meaning without Original Sin. Christianity has no meaning without the ancient rituals, the sacraments and the doctrine of lifelong struggle against carnal and worldly temptation. The Catholic and Anglican churches both pursue monasticism. Baha'is are apostates because they claim to be Christian and Muslim but distort these faiths. I suggest that you reassess your understanding of what it means to be a Christian.
Mokkor 9 months ago
@Mokkor I am not making a theological point, M. Nor am I commenting on Baha'i or Islamic theology. I am putting forth that the rights of Baha'is for, to example, live without fear of persecution in Islamic countries needs to be recognized. As fellow human beings, they deserve safety, access to the same resouurces as their non-Baha'i neighbors, and the right to assemble and worship. I would expect and want the same rights, and I hope the Muslim who made this video agrees.
graceinmay 9 months ago
@graceinmay Yeah, and Bahai say that your beloved Jesus is their Bahaullah, have you seen his photograph. If you are a true Christian, you should take offence. If not by the claim, then by bahaullah's photograph at least.
farihin80 8 months ago
@farihin80 I am of course at odds theologically with Baha'is, and pray for them to truly recognize and follow Christ. But I am not angry or insulted at them because of what they believe. A belief may be insulting, but in spite of that, we can still respect the believer. You can both support a person's right to religious and social liberty, and be peacefully at odds with them theologically, too.
graceinmay 8 months ago
I too am a former Bahai. There are tons of amounts of scientific and prophetic proofs in the writings. There are hundreds of books too. However I am now a free spirit and follow no God.
Rozrr 10 months ago
@Rozrr maybe you care to share some of the 'tons' of scientific proofs in Bahai writings?
farihin80 9 months ago
As for the universality thing, obviously, unity cannot be achieved without combatting those that refuse it, until they are none left. As for "equality" between the sexes, why would it have to mean similarity of social function ? And if you are that much for equality of the sexes, than why did you convert to a religion which is even much less egalitarian than Bahaism ? Finally, propaganda is in all religions, and even all organizations - and Islam is extremelly hypocritical and imperialistic.
ScipiondeFrance 10 months ago
@ScipiondeFrance Your biased opinion of Islam is your own, but I do think that if you studied Islam properly and sincerely, your views would change. You think I'm fighting for real equality? Men and women are not equal, and that's the point. I'm not fighting for women's equality, I'm saying that the Bahai concept of equality between men and women are not practical or achievable. But bahai faith preaches that women are supposed to be equal to men in every field. But I say that it is impossible
farihin80 10 months ago
@farihin80 Well, I think that if you studied Islam properlu, your views would change.
I agree that men and women are not equal, but then again, I was never in the islamic sect of bahaism. Also, I believe that Muslims are not superior to non-Muslims, and oh surprise, reality agrees with me, as almost all muslim countries are dirt poor, ignorant, superstitious, paranoid and sadistic... shitholes. How did the Quran get that so much wrong ?! lol
ScipiondeFrance 10 months ago
@ScipiondeFrance Bahais fight for so called equality but cannot explain why women cannot serve on the universal house of justice. You can women presidents, prime ministers, but not on UHJ? Now that is a very grave contradiction within the bahai faith. Yes, bahais say that the reason will be 'clear as the midday sun' but that in itself is not reason. and they don't have valid explanation that can reconcile this great contradiction. Comparing to other religion is not an explanation by the way. ;-)
farihin80 10 months ago
@farihin80 All ideologies have internal contradictions. Islam pretends to be righteousness and justice while it simultaneously promotes parasitic imperialist suprematism to its adherents, for instance. :)
ScipiondeFrance 10 months ago
And isn't it a bit stupid to go by the islamic doctrine to disconfirm the bahai doctrine ? If Bahaism endorsed the idea that Islam was write about things like the nature of Jesus and Muhammad, there would be no need for Bahaism in the very eyes of Bahaism. Otherwise, if the first doctrine is better than the last, now while you're at it you can read the New Testament, and you'll see that the original Jesus is nothing like what Islam says about him. Etc.
ScipiondeFrance 10 months ago
@ScipiondeFrance No, it's not stupid to revert to something more authentic. In Islam, the first doctrine is same as the last doctrine (aqeedah). It's the syariah (governing laws) that have slight changes from Allah. You think the New Testament is the original teaching's of Jesus? Who wrote the new testament? Do the writers have last names? Did Jesus teach trinity and original sin? or was it Paul? Prove to me that the new testament is authentic (chain of narrations), then perhaps we'll consider.
farihin80 10 months ago
@farihin80 I don't believe that the New Testament is "authentic". In fact I believe that the figure of Jesus is a jewish appropriation and exploitation of the cesarean adventure. Viz. carotta.de/subseite/texte/esumma (dot html). But just as Jesus as such didn't exist, Muhammed didn't exist either. That name was originally a leadership title (an arabization of ish-hammudot, "man of proclivities", from the Book of Daniel) and not a proper name.
ScipiondeFrance 10 months ago
@ScipiondeFrance Muhammad as we know his story was invented more than a century after he is supposed to have existed. The Quran doesn't even talk about Mekkah, which didn't even exist back then, but it talks about Jerusalem. And it wasn't even created to be supposed to be a revelation from God ; it is a compilation of judeo-christian nazarene preachings to convert the Arabs to their doctrine, so as to conquer Jerusalem rebuild the temple, and bring the end of times.
ScipiondeFrance 10 months ago
@ScipiondeFrance But they did conquer Jerusalem and build a cubic structure (shape of the holy of holies of the Temple of Salomon, which we also find in the Kaaba today) but Jesus didn't come back, there was no end of times. So the nazarene creed was then refashioned into an ideology designed to legitimate and extend the Aram empire which had already de facto been started. That's when Muhammad as a single Arab prophet was invented ; that's when Mekkah was built to anchor arabism in, etc.
ScipiondeFrance 10 months ago
@ScipiondeFrance It isn't because judaism and christianity are human inventions that islam isn't, lol, your logic is all twisted up.
ScipiondeFrance 10 months ago
@farihin80 Authenticity is a subjective judgement with regard to the ancient religions and in my view a red herring. The real issues are Faith, the content of doctrine and the historical tradition. I respect Christianity, Islam and Judaism as authentic ways to God for the righteous man or woman as did Mohammed, peace be upon Him.
Mokkor 9 months ago
@Mokkor why in the world do you spell 'Him' with a capital 'H'? Do you somehow think that Muhammad is divine that you need to address him with a capital 'H'? That is how bahais think, not us muslims. Muhammad, he was a man whose message was divine. His grave is in medina and we muslims do not pray to his grave, rather we are commanded to pray in the direction where the ka'ba was built on. The ka'ba is not divine either coz muslim climb on it for the adhan (call to prayer).
farihin80 9 months ago
@farihin80 I apologize for this error. I agree with what you say, Muhammad was a man of flesh and blood as were Jesus and Moses. This is what all true Christians should believe, it is unfortunate that Paul mystified the teaching in my view. Jesus had to be fully human otherwise his suffering, temptation and love for his fellow men would be meaningless since none could follow him.
Mokkor 9 months ago
@Mokkor Actually Sir, nothing about Paul's writing mystifies or even deifies Christ. Pauline theology is quite minimal, essential, and is in line with what Peter and the disciples concluded appropriate for Gentile Christians. It is John's Gospel, and the words of Christ therein, which indicate to us that while fully flesh and blood and human, that the Messiah is more than a man like us.
graceinmay 8 months ago
@Mokkor The Injeel sent to Jesus is authentic, if christians follow that then they true followers of Jesus (a.s). But christians follow the bible which has no authentically known origins. The authors are unknown, or rather their last names are unknown. Check out Robert Beckford's documentary on the 'Who wrote the bible'.
farihin80 9 months ago
It's well established that the Coran is a califal invention on the basis of the judeo-christian nazarene sect, rather. And the Coran is a literal mess, unreadable really (maybe that's why so many muslims can't read, to preserve themselves from realizing how much islam is bullshit, lol).
ScipiondeFrance 10 months ago
@ScipiondeFrance Firstly thank you for your time in listening to my talk. Regarding your allegation on Quran being an 'human' invention, then how do you explain all the accuracies regarding science and Quran? IF the Quran was man-made, then it would be like Bahai writings, full of scientific flaws. And the Quran is much more easier to read than any other 'holy' book on earth, but perhaps it is unreadable to you. Also if you don't want to understand, then you can never understand it.
farihin80 10 months ago
@farihin80 Like what accuracies ? The Quran has revealed not one scientific fact previously unknown. And it has a lot of more than dubious propositions, like the one tending to let believe that the Earth is flat... And you are wrong, the Quran is a mess - stylistically, it is a mumbo-jumbo of bits and pieces patched together, going from the first person to the third, and back, for no reason other than to obscure the reality of its bogusness. I well understand, that it's crap.
ScipiondeFrance 10 months ago
Born a Christian, I later recognized Muhammad. After that, I studied deeply the Writings of Baha'u'llah. I urge everyone to study the Writings of all three and form your own conclusions, never seeing thru the eyes of others, and seeking with real detachment and prayer, the truth for your selves.
"This is the changeless Faith of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future" Baha'u'llah
fsmtdaler 1 year ago
@fsmtdaler - You said that you 'recognized' Muhammad (s.a.w). Two implications here: 1) You are now murtad (apostate), coz you 'recognized' Muhammad (s.a.w) before, 2) "recognized' here would indicate you know about Islam and Muhammad (solatullah wasalamu alaihi) through the Bahai faith, which tells you only the perverted Shiite twisted understanding. This means you did not really dwelve into Islam or even know about Muhammad (s.a.w).
farihin80 1 year ago 2
@farihin80 Please explain to me how the Bahai faith tells us a twisted way of the Qu'ran when we read out of the Qur'an itself. And you yourself have just expained that the Qur'an cannot be grammatically incorrect.
BAHAIRULES 10 months ago
@BAHAIRULES Firstly, Bahaullah takes bits and pieces of the Quran and gives unauthorized and unislamic interpretations. When interpreting the Quran there are rules like sources must be authentic or ideas must be inline with the Syariah taught by Prophet Muhammad. For example: Surah Zilzalah (Quaking), bahaullah with just that one surah interprets Zilzalah to mean quaking of the heart. Is there any foundation for such a claim in Quran or Sunnah of prophet Muhammad? I hope you catch my drift..
farihin80 10 months ago
@fsmtdaler Otherwise, you would be able to recite fatiha or tell me which surah was revealed to the final Prophet of Islam, Muhammad (s.a.w). The founder of the Bahai Faith was neither a prophet nor a messenger but it was an invention of the zionist.
farihin80 1 year ago
@farihin80 LOL Baha'u'llah existed at the end of the 1800s and you deny his existance there are pictures of him there are many pictures of his flesh and blood (Abdul,shogi). you cannot deny he existed for far too many people have seen him.
BAHAIRULES 10 months ago
@BAHAIRULES Who denies his existence? There is no doubt about Bahaullah's existence and misguidance. But is there any sunnah from Bahaullah? Is there any hadith? is there things from his sayings or actions that we can refer that is authorative? That's where Islam is superior to the Bahai Faith.
farihin80 10 months ago
@farihin80 Yes for one it was hand written himself so we know that his teachings came straight from God and not a false prophet. Two Bahá'u'lláh named `Abdu'l-Bahá as Centre of the Covenant, successor and interpreter of Bahá'u'lláh's writings, whom later passed this duty on to Shogi effendi, whom created the universal house of justice. It was proclaimed by Baha'u'llah that Abdu'l-baha was the perfect Bahai and that we should all strive to be him.
BAHAIRULES 10 months ago
@BAHAIRULES When Bahaullah named his successors, was it a Sunnah (his tradition) or Wahy (Revelation from God)? I sincerely hope you know the difference. If you all should strive to be like abdul baha, then you all should attend muslim friday prayers until the end of your lives just like Abdul Baha did. In fact he died on a friday, after praying the congregational prayers of the muslims. Let's see if you walk the talk now.
farihin80 10 months ago
@farihin80 LOL i would also like to see exactly where you got this information of Abdul.And we have many traditions which are to be done. Both Bahau'llah and Abdu'l-baha have stated : The Six Requisites for Spiritual Growth 1) recite each day of one of the Oligitory Payers with pure hearted devotion.2) the regular reading of the Sacred Scriptures, each morning and each night with reverence, attention, and thought.3) Prayerful meditation on the teachings so that we may understand them more deeply
BAHAIRULES 10 months ago
@BAHAIRULES I think you don't know what sunnah is. Who is abdul baha to give sunnah? Was he a prophet? Did he have divine inspiration like Bahaullah too? Did Bahaullah give you any sunnah that wasn't revelation? Again I hope you know the difference between Sunnah and Wahyu... So far your answers tell me that you still don't know the difference.
farihin80 10 months ago
@farihin80 This sunnah came from Baha'u'llah and Abdu'l-baha beacuse as you stated Baha'u'llah made a wahy(revelation from god) that Abdu'l-baha was his succsesor and Shogi effendi after him.The blog you posted i warn all viewers not to trust a man's word who has biased judgement, who has twisted the story of Abdu'l-baha, cannot even spell any of the names correctly, does not cite his sources, and how would he know what Abdul-baha would do with his friday if he traveld the world spreading Bahai
BAHAIRULES 10 months ago
@farihin80 -fullfill them more faithfully and convey them more accuratly to others.4) Striving every day to bring our behaviour more into accordance with the high standards that are set forth in the Teachings.5) Teach the cause of God. 6) selfless service in the work of the cause and in the carrying on of our unity.Now these are few of the many traditions that we Bahai's follow, these are just the ones we do each day. and please send a link or some proof of Abdu'l-baha's praying muslim prayers
BAHAIRULES 10 months ago
@BAHAIRULES See even you don't know that Abdul Baha prayed Friday prayers with muslims. If you really want to know, then go here: formerbahai.blogspot.com/2010/05/abbas-effendi-joker-without-cause-must.html. Then check up on the sources quoted on that blog. Find out for yourself. Then follow him if you are truthful.
farihin80 10 months ago
@BAHAIRULES If you say Bahaullah has Sunnah, then describe to me in detail how he performed obligatory prayers. Honestly if you cannot do that, then you have no knowledge. IMHO.
farihin80 10 months ago
@fsmtdaler Bahaullah is a false prophet and his works are no where near the Quran. I fear for you a painful punishment if you still insist in believing this bahai invented lies. Wa aitu allaha wa rasula la'alakum turhamun.(obey Allah and the messenger so that mercy will be upon you.) Obey Allah means Quran and obey the prophet means the Sunnah. And the Sunnah of the Prophet (s.a.w) is preserved in ahadith works (unlike Shiites who lie in their ahadith).
farihin80 1 year ago
@farihin80 See this proves how little you know about the Bahai Faith i doubt you have even read a single one of Baha'u'llah's scriptures or are to ignorant to understand THE BAHAI FAITH HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE QU'RAN and all other scriptures of God, Allah, Brahimn and all other names for the one true Being
BAHAIRULES 10 months ago
@BAHAIRULES So typical. When you are unable to defend your Bahai Faith, just resort to name calling. And somehow those imminent questions are going to answer themselves!? Like why bahaullah left the calculation for zakat hanging? Why his 'revelation' wasn't completed? Why Shogi effendi dies without an heir? How come Abdul Baha ex-communicated his half brother, Muhammad Ali, when he was mentioned by Bahaullah in writing that he was next to succeed abdul baha? instead of calling names, answer!
farihin80 10 months ago
@BAHAIRULES The Bahai faith is an offshoot of Shiism (which is a deviated offshoot from true Islam). So you can imagine just how far they've come from guidance of Allah. For example, would you expect that there would be born a Guardian for your Bahai faith from among the Covenant Breakers?? Of course not. That's what I'm saying, that Shiism is lost, and from there comes Bahai Faith, so you cannot squeeze any juice from bahai faith except misguidance.
farihin80 10 months ago
@fsmtdaler Honey you are NOT BORN A CHRISTIAN. You are BORN A SINNER. See, it is clear you miss the whole of point of whom JESUS CHRIST is! You can't be BORN A CHRISTIAN. You can be "born" into a "family structure" where CHRIST JESUS is taught. But, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST is a PERSONAL WALK a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP, you must ACCEPT HIM FOR YOURSELF (mom and dad can not do it for you). Now... YOU CAN BE BORN AGAIN UNTO CHRIST JESUS and that is THE NEW BIRTH -- FREE FROM SIN! :)
LPATWILLFILM 1 year ago
@fsmtdaler
Dear Farihin80
Everytime the waves of the ocean hit the shores, some garbage is deposited on the shores. This is one way the ocean cleanse itself of impurities. It appears that the wavies of the ocean of the Baha'i Faith have thus disposed of you too. No disprespect to you, of course, but there is one less garbage in the ocean now.
Seanwxyz 11 months ago
@Seanwxyz that is a nice way to insult me. Its ok. As long as you get my msg, then its fine. I hope you do some independant investigation of your own too. See how come guardian dies without an heir, why bahaullah dies before the measurement for zakat was given, why bab gave the bayan to subhi azal to complete it, etc. It is all the makings of a false religion. Insyallah i hope you can see this one day...
farihin80 11 months ago
@Seanwxyz The bahai faith is not an ocean, unfortunately it is a mud puddle. No one wants to get in, believe me! And all those trapped within it have so much mud in their eyes that they think its diamonds. Yuk! Go have your diamonds, but remember, Husayn Ali is going to have an eternity of hard time in Jahnnam (Hell Fire). You decide you want to follow him there or not. You have a choice. Don't let our small squabble blind you from the truth of Islam. Save yourselves before it's too late.
farihin80 10 months ago
@farihin80 I wish you well, my friend. I am a Baha'i. I investigated the Baha'i Faith for 16 years before I decided to become a Baha'i. The more I investigate, the more clear it becomes to me that the Baha'i Faith is a religion from God. I regard you as a friend because the Baha'i Faith teaches me to love even those who hate my Faith.
Seanwxyz 10 months ago
@Seanwxyz Why is it that Baha'i forbids the ways of monasticism, ritual, celibacy and withdrawal from the World? In this way, Baha'i spits upon millennia of religious practice. How can Baha'i therefore claim to represent and embrace all other religions? Another example: Baha'is claim to be Christians, yet this is impossible since they deny Original Sin. Baha'i is sowing the seeds of discord, not unity. It is a false religion unquestionably.
Mokkor 9 months ago
@fsmtdaler you see islam has a beginning and it was with the first prophet Adam (alayhisalam), and will end with destruction of this world. In the hereafter, there is no way of life known as Islam anymore. so how can you say that islam is eternal? Only Allah is eternal, everything else will perish except Allah, the Creator.
farihin80 11 months ago
I guess this is why my ancestors converted FROM Islam TO the Faith (and not "Baha'ism" as Farihin80 thinks it is called). Any member of this Faith passed or present knows that we never call it that so he is obviously lying. But hey, if Islam preaches lying that must be why thousands of Muslims turned to the Faith, just as my family did. I am so happy and grateful for that. It must be sad to have to resort to religious bashing in a failing attempt to gather converts.
hazelnutchoc9 1 year ago
@hazelnutchoc9 Look hazelnut, all I'm saying is in the Quran and Sunnah of the Prophet. It doesn't matter to me whether you become muslim or not, I dont earn anything. My job is to convey the message that there is no diety worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad is the slave of Allah and His last and final messenger and prophet. If you accept the Quran and the guidance of Muhammad (solawatu allah alaihi) by repenting from your religion and accepting Islam, then you will earn Jannah, Paradise
farihin80 1 year ago
@hazelnutchoc9 Turn to Allah in repentance before you die and all your bad deeds will be turned to good deeds. But if deny the Quran and final prophethood of Muhammad (solawatu wasalamu alaihi) and die on that denial, then be warned of a humiliating torment in blazing fire where you will be in forever. This is the clear message I convey to you, I hope Allah give you hidayah and increase me in tawfiq and barakah and forgive my sins. Ameen.
farihin80 1 year ago
Farin80 clearly you are retarded. Please do Allah a favour- don't promote your evil thoughts as His command. You embarrass the human race with your stupidity, arrogance & misinformation. Your questions show the world how truly misguided & idiotic you are. I have no idea what you are blabbing about but thank you for showing me why the developed world hates your religion. Your religion is hateful & unGodly - you have raped the holy teachings by the Prophet Mohammad to suit your own wretched heart.
hazelnutchoc9 1 year ago 2
@hazelnutchoc9 Robbi ishrahli soddri wayassirli amri wahlul uqdatami lisani yafkahu kauli. Nauzubillah minki ya hazelnut wa ma takulina. Allahuma la'in li qolbahum kama la'inta li daud alhadid. Ameen.
farihin80 1 year ago
well, do u know arabic? if you knew, then you'd know that in the Quran Allah says that the change from night to day is gradual. This cannot happen on flat surface, because day will turn into night very suddenly.
Regarding sources of the language, once it is popularly used, then it become part of the arabic language. This is due to the mixing of cultures. That is not a contention.
All your questions are actually answered in Zakir Naik's talk in Quran and science.
farihin80 1 year ago
islam is false also brother, challenge these facts and you will see. In Islam the earth is flat, and the women produce sexual flui