@sexyxrs England is a satellite for the USA. You say it does not need USA or France but it needs NATO? I guess it needs more than just USA and France. But I respect Poland because it fought for its independence with alot of sacrifice unlike France and other European countries. I am not a fan of Russia nor the US. But your stupid if you think Poland does not need anyone. Because it kisses America's ass and sends troops for its wars. Now its a sattelite of America just the way it was with Soviet
@nofreedom4racists you are right they do i dont know why , we went with them to haiti , irak , iran - bush said he will install anti nuklear defence system but obama is scared to do that yet soon we will see iran and isreal nuke shit out of eachother .
maybe would be best to just say fuck off to all off em . :)
about a threat from Russia, you say? Administration of Putin and Medvedev has adequate policies and elite of America was bombing countries in Eastern Europe (Yugoslavia), Arab countries (Iraq, Afghanistan), was supplying military equipment to Georgia, and Bush has ordered them to attack South Ossetia in order to make Russia the aggressor, perhaps Americans looking for an explicit enemy to other countries to invest money in America,
I just wonder how much George Soros, Obama Rama Ding Dong, and their buddies got in kick backs and bribes for turning on Poland and the Cech. Republic from GE so they can do business with Putin?
Putin has to be laughing his ass off with this fucking whimp ass Obama. Bush he would not fuck with but with this poser in chief he is getting away with murder.
If I was Europe I would be gettin ready for the impending Russian invasion. The move on Georgia was a mock on how Odummy would react!
As for the insults - you don't seem to follow the basic principles of cultural discussion. The basic and only available weapons in an argument are facts and logic. You don't gain anything by calling your interlocutor a "moron". If they are wrong, just tell them what they got wrong.
Flame wars are below my interest, so please refrain from showing off your frustration is such a crude way.
What will the other readers think of Russia if you keep defending it in such a way?
Ok so it's not Russia, but Iran. Thanks for clearing that up. However, not letting one's country be occupied by one superpower to guard against another is hardly appeasement. i'd say it's more about sovereignty.
Battle of Britain was about industrial/military targets. But the RAF was the first to use "area bombing" (=targeting civilians) in Lübeck.
Congratulations. You supported killing civilians on behalf of the same global banking empire that's now lowered your own standard of living considerably.
Despite all the polack jokes, nobody in Poland is stupid enough to believe that Iran is a threat to them. But that won't stop the Neocons from using it as propaganda.
As for Germany, let's not forget that it was the British(banking)Empire which initially declared war on Germany, thereby starting WW2.
Is it only me or others noticed that Poland is always playing a role of "poor victim", which is just tomorrow will be "attacked" by Russia? Is it paranoia on country's level? Or is it just a simple brainwashing and zionistic creation of "external threat" in own interests? Second have sense, yeah?))
It's US which RIGHT NOW bombing civillians, not Russia. That's why media propaganda trying to replace US as a real threat to humanity on Russia... And again people don't learn on their mistakes..
It's quite normal if you consider Polands history. Being betrayed by their allies at the beginning and in the end of WW2 (US included), therefore suffering virtually soviet occupation till late 80-ties and losing territories attained by Russia in 39 is pretty much justifying all the social antagonism it has to the "big bad bear". Yes, we have paranoia on country level. US worked on it too on the Yalta Conference.
Oh, and 17 IX is the anniversary of the Soviet invasion of '39. Ridiculous timing.
But Poland also signed Munich Agreement in 1934, so why do poles blame USSR that they signed agreement with Nazists last, when all big players already had this agreements with Hitler? This is total hypocrisy. And USSR "invaded" Poland AFTER Germany crushed polish army, and polish authorities run from their responsibolities.
What USSR must do, when Ukrainians and Belorussians on polish territories were under attack? To wait on border? Of course, no.
And so what? By this logic, Russia must build missiles somewhere near France and Germany, because of Napoleon's and Hitler's invasions. And then near Sweden, then Poland (1612), and on and on... And the whole Europe would be in this missiles, just because of "history".
Future must NOT build on historic tensions between countries, because it's a way to another conflicts. Sad that poles don't understand it. Probably not even poles, but their US puppets in elite.
You know, the last conflict in Georgia is the proof that the Russian neighbourhood isn't entirely safe. It's normal for countries to install defensive systems that provide them safety. Russians statements that this defensive system would make the world *less* safe are ridiculous - those systems are suppose to render the dreaded nuclear weaponry useless.
It makes non US nuclear weapons useless. That's an important point. It is dangerous to have one country holding all the military cards. Just like in politics you need to have a few relatively meaningful political parties to avoid totalitarian state, in the world you need to have a few countries capable of standing up to each other at least militarily - nuclear parity is one of the tools to achieve this. Lets hope they never get used.
OMG again this old theme about georgia... maybe you didn't know but UN chief, EU, US investigation, British members of OSCE and even Sukashvili himself - ALL already accepted that GEORGIA began war and BOMBED civillians. So your "argument" about Georgia totally FAILS. Polska really have dumb brains... Nothing can change your opinion. Even truth and facts...
You seem to think every fact I summon is anti-russian.
1) I didn't said anything about responsibility for the Georgian conflict. I only pointed that the REGION is unstable so its natural to seek protection from the US.
2) So what if the shield renders non-US nuckes useless? More and more countries gonna get them in time - the only reasonable step is to get yourself protected against that threat. In time, others might install their own shields.
1) It's NOT natural to seek protection from US, which right now have 2 wars under false pretexts, where it bombing civillians every day WITHOUT reason... Just like to seek protection from the Hitler//
2) And "installing their own shields" is am EXACT reason of "arms race" again.. It will NOT stabilise situation. It is clear destabilisation...
1) Well, that trend is slowly changing after what you said. Though you have to admit the choices are quite few - the EU lacks a solid military industry, Russia is out of consideration due to past conflicts. The US are the only ones really left for the West Block.
And srsly, comparing US to Hitler?
2) You never know what will do people in countries in the middle east, if they arm themselves with nukes. The arms race isn't good, but there has to be *some* counter to weapons of mass destruction.
2) Yes, there must be some counter weapons, and Russia PROPOSED it all last years - station in Azerbaijan, and to build anti-missile system in Russia with full access for americans and europeans. But WHY this common sense was denied by US? Why US proposed this absurd to build AMS in POLAND, against Iran or N.Korea, which are thousand kms from it, and not on one direction if they "will attack US".. Because it's clear that it was not against Iran but to destroy nuclear balance of US and Russia.
And when US have advantage in nuclear potential, who can guarantee that they will not attack other country? The whole cold war period peace was saved because there were 2 centres who KNEW that if they attack another, they would be all dead.
AMD in Poland was an attempt to destroy this balance, so world safety.
But poles don't understand it because of propaganda of supporting these missiles..
Also words of some polish party heads also proved that this AMD was against Russia..
That is true,it was specifically designed to Neutralize and Shelve Russia's nuclear Deterrence in the first place,,Everyone knows that Iran cannot impose any threat to the American mainland maybe just the American interests in Middle East and many Arab allies countries,besides it is 4000 km from Iran to Poland.but at all,Russia is not the Soviet Union as it had lost much of its Economy,Military power and Political influence in world.And what America is doing is to contain the Imminent threat
And moreover, you forgot (or just was misinformed by polska propaganda) that France and Germany accused this decision SINCE THE BEGINNING...
So, another "argument" FAILED, polska..
Which just shows that you know NOTHING about this theme. Cheers. Educate yourslef polska... It's not interesting to argue with moron, who can't analyze elementary things..
With you on this one, Poland is brainwashed against Russia. Any time i speak to a Polish person they start talking about what happened 70 Years ago. So i ask them so you rather have Hitlers Germany take over instead of Russians? to which they reply i wanted none lmaof.
Zionist NWO game over your $ is no good as currency anyore it isn't worth TOILET PAPER your game was going to end soon ANYWAY its too bad an asshole will sooner or later be seen for what he is give a fool*w* enough rope and he will soon hang himself right on time shrubby LOL
supposedly Robert Gates recommended this to Mr. Obama. You are naive !!The Czech and the Poles didn't want the plan. The Poles and the Czech are left cold out to dry in a political chess game to sacrifice their people in Iraq and Afg, and bad relations with Russia, all for not a damn thing. ON the 70th anniversary of Russia's invasion of Poland and the beginning of World War 2. It is not the stupid shield. It is throwing allies under the bus, and rewarding Russia for hardline policies!!
Poland and the Czech should not be a pawn though. America is the most powerful country in the world. Like Russia will help on any U.S. concerns worldwide when that is the only bargaining chip they have, and are not a real ally of the U.S. This is stupid!! Ignore Russia, try to deal with China, screw the U.N. council, and handle Iran and North Korea with U.S. allies. Bill Clinton ignored Russia, and Obama will prove that is the way to go. Unless they invade Georgia again!!!
Or maybe Obama is a complete idiot, and doesn't realize that Russia is ambigious about Iran and North Korea because it is the ONLY way to leverage their geopolitical game in their hands. OBAMA can't be that stupid. If he is it is just too blatantly obvious their has to be something more to this. The U.S. has to many cards and too much antagonism from Putin to be that stupid about Russian intentions!!!
There's a reason Obama is President making the tough decisions withing international policy and you're some guy on a website thread speculating international affairs.
As an American everyone should know that just ignoring Russia is the way to go. Only an idiot wouldn't expect a hardline response from Russia now. Maybe Obama knows this and is playing them or maybe he is just this dumb. Foreign policy experts in the U.S. have years of experience with Russia. Maybe Obama is expecting no participation from Russia to reaffirm Russian obstruction and antagonism to the world, and then playing them becuase the U.S. has more cards to play in the long run??
Wise move on Obama's part: The US is bankrupt due to two fruitless wars and a morale crisis that resembles Vietnam in the '60s and early '70s. Alo, Obama has more important matters at home, such as health care and financial reforms.
Poland was buying the system? Yeah, just like Mexico is to buy attack helicopters from "us." But for some reason Hillary needs to obtain $80M in funding from congress, to make the deal possible.
Don't fool yourselves people, nobody in Europe wants this crap in their back yard. Even Germany wants US troops out. Only the Nabucco politicians want any parts of this new militarization. The people don't.
"Germany's unforgivable crime before the second world war, was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit." - Winston Churchill (to Lord Robert Boothby, quoted in the Foreword, 2nd Ed. Sydney Rogerson, 'Propaganda in the Next War' 2001, orig. 1938.)
Be attentievly. All that Obama and Gates said is that they replace future Poland/Czech Shield on ships, which then can move around the world. It's a much bigger threat, not only for Russia already, but for other normal countries. So, it's more a PR by Obama, and have negative results for the world's safety.
Time will tell, of course, but this creates space for the negotioations and for considering Russian interests in the matter as well. I think Obama genuinly has decent intentions here. Considering all the criticism he is facing now from the right wing, I admire his courage.
You don't know what your talking about. All the plan did was irk Russia, it provided us no defense whatsoever. If anything, the new plan in place is more cost-effective and much more practical...
You can say what ever you want he didn't remove anything and his defense plan is by far better than the incompetent lying criminal that you voted for.
1) USA is broke and cannot afford any "shield" which could be easily penetrated anyway with the modern Russian missiles (e.g. like Topol-M or RS-24)
2) In case of deployment of US missiles threatening Russia in any way then Russia would respond by placing its missiles in Cuba and/or Venezuela.
And just like during the Cuban crisis of 1962 US would then have to withdraw its missiles (back then it was from Turkey) while Russia would not install its rockets in Cuba.
@Igor707 hahaaha . we know that Kenedy only agreed to remove the misles from turkie just to shut russians up and go home , u wouldnt be able to put any misle on cuba if u wanted or not . the cuba was surounded and even if u "somehow" passed tru and able to start instaling misles the us would bomb the shit out of that place within 24h .
and btw to this day offical statment of russia is that it was football feild they were building .
russians lie always lied is why def system would be handy.
The U.S. militarys historic dominance of the skies, unchallenged since around spring 1943, is increasingly at risk because of the proliferation of advanced technologies and a buildup of potential adversary arsenals, according to Air Force Lt. Gen. David Deptula, the services chief for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance.
Speaking today at the Air Forces annual convention in the Washington area today, he provided a wide ranging assessment of what the QDR team is calling high-end, asymmetric threats.
Emphasizing the increasing capabilities of anti-access weapons, such as long range precision missiles, Deptula said pilots in future wars will not operate in the permissive threat environments of current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Deptula, best known for crafting the Desert Storm air campaign, said potential opponents have learned from U.S. operations and will use precision arsenals to stop a buildup of U.S. airpower near their borders before a war even begins.
Without functioning ground bases, aircraft cannot operate; the Air Force is investing heavily in shorter ranged tactical aircraft, such as the F-22 and F-35, along with a host of older F-15 and F-16.
Overseas bases from which these aircraft operate are now threatened by increasingly accurate ballistic missiles in Chinese, Russian, Iranian and North Korean arsenals, Deptula said. The newest models are road mobile and exceedingly difficult to locate.
Enemies will use cyber attacks to target U.S. command and control networks and satellite relays, the smooth functioning of which the military is now completely dependant.
Space is no longer a sanctuary and our satellites are at risk for five decades the U.S. has led the world in space, he said, now, the space domain is perhaps the most likely arena for threats to achieve leveraged effects, against U.S. operations. The Chinese are developing anti-satellite weapons, as are the Russians, and the number of countries that can launch sensor-loaded satellites into space is increasing.
Because of improvements in over the horizon and passive radars, U.S. aircraft will be detected long before they reach their targets. The area that we operate in free from detection is rapidly shrinking, Deptula said, our adversaries are going to have capabilities that weve never operated against. The newest generation surface-to-air missiles, such as the Russian SA-21, have ranges exceeding 300 miles and the ability to target low flying aircraft, and will likely be exported.
The idiot bush was the aggressor. You've seen the last of him. You don't have to worry. The world is safe from any more unwarranted attacks. You can trust President Obama
The day of cowboy diplomacy is over. President Obama has a clear well planned method to insure the protection of America by working with our allies to build a united deterrent to aggressors. It sure is great to finely have a competent intelligent president.
Fuck! I saw it today too, Obama is going to continue with the shit in Czech Rep and in Poland. Obama will have other things to think about US is boiling and the media doesn't show it at all.
2 millions in DC on 11 Sept 2009, look here /watch?v=195GMYKDAfQ
On 23-25 Obama and the G20 participants including Medvedev will think more about what is going on outside.
Bravo some sense had finally surfaced. Bushs crap foriegn policy is finally dead. The two countries will grow fast and strong if they dont have to point weapons at each other. Sad day for bushs puppets in countries like poland and baltics, now the just have to build a better relations with russia since their master is doing it. Maybe the ethnic russians in the baltics will finally get equal rights.
So true. Just think, Obomber and his Fabian PROGRESSIVES just gave huge amounts of fake money to banks, which those banks will in-turn loan to the American sheeple for an interest charge lol
Could have just given the fake money directly to the people, instead.
i know and i'm glad it would cuz 1st i'm russian 2nd the worst war could be won't begin any time soon think about it around 65% of world is on war also russia and us got 96% of ALL nuclear weaponary so world would just explode !
i can not wait till the usa falls apart, you guys attack my home land yugoslavia, then middle east whats next? your all bunch of cunts.
ThoseSickBeats 1 month ago
IT WILL BE AMERICA’S PERIL, TO BELIEVE ANYTHING GOOD ABOUT RUSSIA!!
1LonePuma 9 months ago
Usa just make FEAR , and later kill this one who make in fear steps...
RogerPLL 10 months ago
U.S.A. has lost its way in the world. In view of its present aggressions, I think
Russia has been a model of patience and level headedness.
ThePresterJohn 1 year ago
Дмитрий Медведев, подписывая закон о ФСБ, нарушает Конституцию России,
в которой сказано, что человек может быть лишён свободы только порешению суда,
а не порешению Путина, ФСБ или марионетки. В законе о ФСБ любого человека
могут хватать и прятать в тюрьму на 15 суток без суда и следствия.
Таким обрзом, Россия от демократии возвращается в тоталиаризм и диктатуру.
Опять Россия опозорилась! В отставку кремлёвскую банду воров! Правозащитник Руслан Бровкин.
Presidentcb 1 year ago
Russia Should join NATO in Afghanistan...
joaocanadaa 1 year ago
If NATO is in Poland, SS-18 missiles need to go to Cuba
nofreedom4racists 1 year ago
@nofreedom4racists and who said that u dumb shit .
look man poland doesnt need russia , america or france . u all asholes and none of u ever helped us (except for napoleon - france 200years ago)
what the fuck is like i said england is a satelite for usa . u all idiots.
sexyxrs 1 year ago
@sexyxrs England is a satellite for the USA. You say it does not need USA or France but it needs NATO? I guess it needs more than just USA and France. But I respect Poland because it fought for its independence with alot of sacrifice unlike France and other European countries. I am not a fan of Russia nor the US. But your stupid if you think Poland does not need anyone. Because it kisses America's ass and sends troops for its wars. Now its a sattelite of America just the way it was with Soviet
nofreedom4racists 1 year ago
@nofreedom4racists you are right they do i dont know why , we went with them to haiti , irak , iran - bush said he will install anti nuklear defence system but obama is scared to do that yet soon we will see iran and isreal nuke shit out of eachother .
maybe would be best to just say fuck off to all off em . :)
sexyxrs 1 year ago
I hope Obama nebudet sold to the bankers and not repeat the stupid Bush policy
AnkainMoon 2 years ago 2
and America could cope with the defaults, and who fits the role of the enemy? good old Russia.
AnkainMoon 2 years ago 2
about a threat from Russia, you say? Administration of Putin and Medvedev has adequate policies and elite of America was bombing countries in Eastern Europe (Yugoslavia), Arab countries (Iraq, Afghanistan), was supplying military equipment to Georgia, and Bush has ordered them to attack South Ossetia in order to make Russia the aggressor, perhaps Americans looking for an explicit enemy to other countries to invest money in America,
AnkainMoon 2 years ago 12
@AnkainMoon well we talking about sheild not misles i think u have good arguments except they usless becouse its a freaking sheild
sexyxrs 1 year ago
@AnkainMoon
You l dont know Afghanistan is not ARABIC country and u r talking about politics lol ?
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I just wonder how much George Soros, Obama Rama Ding Dong, and their buddies got in kick backs and bribes for turning on Poland and the Cech. Republic from GE so they can do business with Putin?
Putin has to be laughing his ass off with this fucking whimp ass Obama. Bush he would not fuck with but with this poser in chief he is getting away with murder.
If I was Europe I would be gettin ready for the impending Russian invasion. The move on Georgia was a mock on how Odummy would react!
dkkght46 2 years ago
Medvedev and Putin begged for mercy to America! =D
MadGum 2 years ago
Wasn't it Bush and his fuck-buddy, Obama ?!
apexdna 2 years ago
Fukc geese!
MadGum 2 years ago
Fukc donkeys!
apexdna 2 years ago
I not Khachik, but you're shitty geesefucker!
MadGum 2 years ago
I not Pizdes, but you're stupid asshole!
apexdna 2 years ago
ОЯЕБУ!!! О__О
MadGum 2 years ago
OTЕБИСЬ!!! О_O
apexdna 2 years ago
СУКАШОК!!! ТЫЖ ВРОДЕ АМЕРИКОС!!! О_О
MadGum 2 years ago
As for the insults - you don't seem to follow the basic principles of cultural discussion. The basic and only available weapons in an argument are facts and logic. You don't gain anything by calling your interlocutor a "moron". If they are wrong, just tell them what they got wrong.
Flame wars are below my interest, so please refrain from showing off your frustration is such a crude way.
What will the other readers think of Russia if you keep defending it in such a way?
VeloMR 2 years ago
Ok so it's not Russia, but Iran. Thanks for clearing that up. However, not letting one's country be occupied by one superpower to guard against another is hardly appeasement. i'd say it's more about sovereignty.
LibertaerUeberAlles 2 years ago
Lets see...
Sept 3, 1939-Britain declares war on Germany.
Sept 4, 1939-Britain attacks German Navy.
March 16, 1940-Germany bombs naval base..
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Battle of Britain was about industrial/military targets. But the RAF was the first to use "area bombing" (=targeting civilians) in Lübeck.
Congratulations. You supported killing civilians on behalf of the same global banking empire that's now lowered your own standard of living considerably.
LibertaerUeberAlles 2 years ago
Despite all the polack jokes, nobody in Poland is stupid enough to believe that Iran is a threat to them. But that won't stop the Neocons from using it as propaganda.
As for Germany, let's not forget that it was the British(banking)Empire which initially declared war on Germany, thereby starting WW2.
LibertaerUeberAlles 2 years ago 2
Obama + Medvedev = Strong Alliance.
gerry1976 2 years ago
Вымолили пощады у Америки! ЛОЛ
Begged for mercy to America! LOL
MadGum 2 years ago
most poles n czech citizens were AGAINST the missiles, american's only care about democracy when someone agrees with them.
TsarSamuil 2 years ago
But how will we stop the Iranian bombs attacking Poland from Russia?
workingclassbum 2 years ago
-But how will we stop the Iranian bombs attacking Poland from Russia?
Hirony? Then mine is - try to catch by own hands. :-)
Nitrorus 2 years ago
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Nitrorus 2 years ago
Is it only me or others noticed that Poland is always playing a role of "poor victim", which is just tomorrow will be "attacked" by Russia? Is it paranoia on country's level? Or is it just a simple brainwashing and zionistic creation of "external threat" in own interests? Second have sense, yeah?))
It's US which RIGHT NOW bombing civillians, not Russia. That's why media propaganda trying to replace US as a real threat to humanity on Russia... And again people don't learn on their mistakes..
igorvasilevsky 2 years ago
It's quite normal if you consider Polands history. Being betrayed by their allies at the beginning and in the end of WW2 (US included), therefore suffering virtually soviet occupation till late 80-ties and losing territories attained by Russia in 39 is pretty much justifying all the social antagonism it has to the "big bad bear". Yes, we have paranoia on country level. US worked on it too on the Yalta Conference.
Oh, and 17 IX is the anniversary of the Soviet invasion of '39. Ridiculous timing.
VeloMR 2 years ago
But Poland also signed Munich Agreement in 1934, so why do poles blame USSR that they signed agreement with Nazists last, when all big players already had this agreements with Hitler? This is total hypocrisy. And USSR "invaded" Poland AFTER Germany crushed polish army, and polish authorities run from their responsibolities.
What USSR must do, when Ukrainians and Belorussians on polish territories were under attack? To wait on border? Of course, no.
"invasion" is main theme of polish politics.
igorvasilevsky 2 years ago 4
And so what? By this logic, Russia must build missiles somewhere near France and Germany, because of Napoleon's and Hitler's invasions. And then near Sweden, then Poland (1612), and on and on... And the whole Europe would be in this missiles, just because of "history".
Future must NOT build on historic tensions between countries, because it's a way to another conflicts. Sad that poles don't understand it. Probably not even poles, but their US puppets in elite.
igorvasilevsky 2 years ago 4
You know, the last conflict in Georgia is the proof that the Russian neighbourhood isn't entirely safe. It's normal for countries to install defensive systems that provide them safety. Russians statements that this defensive system would make the world *less* safe are ridiculous - those systems are suppose to render the dreaded nuclear weaponry useless.
VeloMR 2 years ago
It makes non US nuclear weapons useless. That's an important point. It is dangerous to have one country holding all the military cards. Just like in politics you need to have a few relatively meaningful political parties to avoid totalitarian state, in the world you need to have a few countries capable of standing up to each other at least militarily - nuclear parity is one of the tools to achieve this. Lets hope they never get used.
javadik 2 years ago
OMG again this old theme about georgia... maybe you didn't know but UN chief, EU, US investigation, British members of OSCE and even Sukashvili himself - ALL already accepted that GEORGIA began war and BOMBED civillians. So your "argument" about Georgia totally FAILS. Polska really have dumb brains... Nothing can change your opinion. Even truth and facts...
igorvasilevsky 2 years ago
Why the accusing tone? And why the insults?
You seem to think every fact I summon is anti-russian.
1) I didn't said anything about responsibility for the Georgian conflict. I only pointed that the REGION is unstable so its natural to seek protection from the US.
2) So what if the shield renders non-US nuckes useless? More and more countries gonna get them in time - the only reasonable step is to get yourself protected against that threat. In time, others might install their own shields.
VeloMR 2 years ago
1) It's NOT natural to seek protection from US, which right now have 2 wars under false pretexts, where it bombing civillians every day WITHOUT reason... Just like to seek protection from the Hitler//
2) And "installing their own shields" is am EXACT reason of "arms race" again.. It will NOT stabilise situation. It is clear destabilisation...
Again you are wrong..
igorvasilevsky 2 years ago
1) Well, that trend is slowly changing after what you said. Though you have to admit the choices are quite few - the EU lacks a solid military industry, Russia is out of consideration due to past conflicts. The US are the only ones really left for the West Block.
And srsly, comparing US to Hitler?
2) You never know what will do people in countries in the middle east, if they arm themselves with nukes. The arms race isn't good, but there has to be *some* counter to weapons of mass destruction.
VeloMR 2 years ago
2) Yes, there must be some counter weapons, and Russia PROPOSED it all last years - station in Azerbaijan, and to build anti-missile system in Russia with full access for americans and europeans. But WHY this common sense was denied by US? Why US proposed this absurd to build AMS in POLAND, against Iran or N.Korea, which are thousand kms from it, and not on one direction if they "will attack US".. Because it's clear that it was not against Iran but to destroy nuclear balance of US and Russia.
igorvasilevsky 2 years ago
And when US have advantage in nuclear potential, who can guarantee that they will not attack other country? The whole cold war period peace was saved because there were 2 centres who KNEW that if they attack another, they would be all dead.
AMD in Poland was an attempt to destroy this balance, so world safety.
But poles don't understand it because of propaganda of supporting these missiles..
Also words of some polish party heads also proved that this AMD was against Russia..
igorvasilevsky 2 years ago
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VeloMR 2 years ago
You cannot seriously expect USA to build a missile base in a country it had the Cold War with.
In the end, they will try to cooperate - future will tell how that will work.
VeloMR 2 years ago
That is true,it was specifically designed to Neutralize and Shelve Russia's nuclear Deterrence in the first place,,Everyone knows that Iran cannot impose any threat to the American mainland maybe just the American interests in Middle East and many Arab allies countries,besides it is 4000 km from Iran to Poland.but at all,Russia is not the Soviet Union as it had lost much of its Economy,Military power and Political influence in world.And what America is doing is to contain the Imminent threat
Arabova159 2 years ago 4
And moreover, you forgot (or just was misinformed by polska propaganda) that France and Germany accused this decision SINCE THE BEGINNING...
So, another "argument" FAILED, polska..
Which just shows that you know NOTHING about this theme. Cheers. Educate yourslef polska... It's not interesting to argue with moron, who can't analyze elementary things..
igorvasilevsky 2 years ago
I am 100% with you brother..... you are speaking the TRUTH!
sikkstreets 2 years ago
With you on this one, Poland is brainwashed against Russia. Any time i speak to a Polish person they start talking about what happened 70 Years ago. So i ask them so you rather have Hitlers Germany take over instead of Russians? to which they reply i wanted none lmaof.
sikkstreets 2 years ago 10
@sikkstreets brainwashed by who ?!?!
it was russia brainwashing poles for 50 years .
You dont know what u talk about .
See Reagan talk about 1981.
i dont know u tell me who you prefere hitlet murdered about what 20milion people
lenin = 20milion people
stalin = 60 milion people
looks like rusisa is 4-1
sexyxrs 1 year ago
@sikkstreets lol ! u dumb .
ofc we wanted none .
they seen our constitution (both russia and germany) as treat !
and thats 200 years ago and both of em attack us .. so its not like it happend
once but it happens every century. this one have just started . so yea better get rdy .
We not brainwashed about russia or germany . infact many poles likes em i dont .
sexyxrs 1 year ago
很好的影片!
qazw213 2 years ago
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev says Moscow is ready to keep working with Washington on risks of missile proliferation.
CLICKTOBUYHERE 2 years ago
Great news!! :)
KatyaXOXO 2 years ago
Smart man, Obama.
grandcollection 2 years ago
monsieurazad 2 years ago 2
Ur stupidity makes me LOL
spungii117 2 years ago
I am sure american Military industrial complex and Mr.Robert Gates did not like that decision president Barack Obama made.
Good man.
ss90ss444 2 years ago
supposedly Robert Gates recommended this to Mr. Obama. You are naive !!The Czech and the Poles didn't want the plan. The Poles and the Czech are left cold out to dry in a political chess game to sacrifice their people in Iraq and Afg, and bad relations with Russia, all for not a damn thing. ON the 70th anniversary of Russia's invasion of Poland and the beginning of World War 2. It is not the stupid shield. It is throwing allies under the bus, and rewarding Russia for hardline policies!!
abpnw 2 years ago
No shield but we influence all decisions made by your government. We still have the last say.
ironfistrule 2 years ago
"supposedly Robert Gates recommended this to Mr. Obama."
The same Robert Gates who served as defense minister under the Bush administration.
Do you really believe that?
ss90ss444 2 years ago
Poland and the Czech should not be a pawn though. America is the most powerful country in the world. Like Russia will help on any U.S. concerns worldwide when that is the only bargaining chip they have, and are not a real ally of the U.S. This is stupid!! Ignore Russia, try to deal with China, screw the U.N. council, and handle Iran and North Korea with U.S. allies. Bill Clinton ignored Russia, and Obama will prove that is the way to go. Unless they invade Georgia again!!!
abpnw 2 years ago
Or maybe Obama is a complete idiot, and doesn't realize that Russia is ambigious about Iran and North Korea because it is the ONLY way to leverage their geopolitical game in their hands. OBAMA can't be that stupid. If he is it is just too blatantly obvious their has to be something more to this. The U.S. has to many cards and too much antagonism from Putin to be that stupid about Russian intentions!!!
abpnw 2 years ago
There's a reason Obama is President making the tough decisions withing international policy and you're some guy on a website thread speculating international affairs.
HaloedG 2 years ago
As an American everyone should know that just ignoring Russia is the way to go. Only an idiot wouldn't expect a hardline response from Russia now. Maybe Obama knows this and is playing them or maybe he is just this dumb. Foreign policy experts in the U.S. have years of experience with Russia. Maybe Obama is expecting no participation from Russia to reaffirm Russian obstruction and antagonism to the world, and then playing them becuase the U.S. has more cards to play in the long run??
abpnw 2 years ago
It was only 10 missiles...so no economic value to Poland...and just radar installations in Czech republic....
The real damage may be that Polish/russian relations were damaged..and Poles may feel that they incurred such damage for no reason...
But the US and Russia must try to be friends and combat the real evil in the world...the Muslim extrmists.
EdwardRommel 2 years ago 2
Wise move on Obama's part: The US is bankrupt due to two fruitless wars and a morale crisis that resembles Vietnam in the '60s and early '70s. Alo, Obama has more important matters at home, such as health care and financial reforms.
DNchap1417 2 years ago
The US is bankrupt and soon will not even be able to afford to buy bottle rockets for the 4th of July Celebrations.
ComradePatriot 2 years ago 2
on my b-day cool.
I want world peace.
drmondman1 2 years ago
Poland was buying the system? Yeah, just like Mexico is to buy attack helicopters from "us." But for some reason Hillary needs to obtain $80M in funding from congress, to make the deal possible.
Don't fool yourselves people, nobody in Europe wants this crap in their back yard. Even Germany wants US troops out. Only the Nabucco politicians want any parts of this new militarization. The people don't.
LibertaerUeberAlles 2 years ago
Peace for everyone in the world!!!!!
DigitalAquarius 2 years ago
finally..a leader to help save the world that Bush almost destroyed
JMANCHOR 2 years ago
WINSTON CHURCHILL
"Germany's unforgivable crime before the second world war, was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit." - Winston Churchill (to Lord Robert Boothby, quoted in the Foreword, 2nd Ed. Sydney Rogerson, 'Propaganda in the Next War' 2001, orig. 1938.)
LibertaerUeberAlles 2 years ago
Hey Miedviediev! Do you have shirts in Russia?
jackzaf 2 years ago
A very good move from Obama!
furiasha 2 years ago 3
Finally the common sense prevailed! Thank you, pres. Obama.
natlissits 2 years ago 2
Be attentievly. All that Obama and Gates said is that they replace future Poland/Czech Shield on ships, which then can move around the world. It's a much bigger threat, not only for Russia already, but for other normal countries. So, it's more a PR by Obama, and have negative results for the world's safety.
igorvasilevsky 2 years ago
Time will tell, of course, but this creates space for the negotioations and for considering Russian interests in the matter as well. I think Obama genuinly has decent intentions here. Considering all the criticism he is facing now from the right wing, I admire his courage.
natlissits 2 years ago 2
don't worry we'll probably do it again.
gottenjet 2 years ago
Look what you Obama Voters did. Go ahead and tell everyone how safe you feel with him in office compared to that of Bushy Baby.
MrClamjuice 2 years ago
You don't know what your talking about. All the plan did was irk Russia, it provided us no defense whatsoever. If anything, the new plan in place is more cost-effective and much more practical...
EarlMcCrackin 2 years ago 2
Whatever
RichardE8ST 2 years ago
You can say what ever you want he didn't remove anything and his defense plan is by far better than the incompetent lying criminal that you voted for.
RichardE8ST 2 years ago 2
Let's be honest:
1) USA is broke and cannot afford any "shield" which could be easily penetrated anyway with the modern Russian missiles (e.g. like Topol-M or RS-24)
2) In case of deployment of US missiles threatening Russia in any way then Russia would respond by placing its missiles in Cuba and/or Venezuela.
And just like during the Cuban crisis of 1962 US would then have to withdraw its missiles (back then it was from Turkey) while Russia would not install its rockets in Cuba.
Igor707 2 years ago 6
The RS-24 missile that Russia tested on May 29, 2007 is a multiple-warhead version of the Topol-M and not a new missile.
The problem is not an ICBM Nuclear Strategic threat but a Tactical one. Inorder to protect Local theater assets and objectives, you need air support.
The current threat to US and NATO Air Power is not the old "MAD" weapons like the RS-24, It's the Anti Air and Surface ones like the SA-21's.
ubuibiok 2 years ago 3
@Igor707 the usa will bomb russia back to the stone age jack so be careful there
jjay3200 1 year ago
@jjay3200 I think you watch way too many movies mate ... get real
mrsyd01 11 months ago
@mrsyd01 yeah i watch alot of movies it just got to me
jjay3200 11 months ago
@Igor707 hahaaha . we know that Kenedy only agreed to remove the misles from turkie just to shut russians up and go home , u wouldnt be able to put any misle on cuba if u wanted or not . the cuba was surounded and even if u "somehow" passed tru and able to start instaling misles the us would bomb the shit out of that place within 24h .
and btw to this day offical statment of russia is that it was football feild they were building .
russians lie always lied is why def system would be handy.
sexyxrs 1 year ago
He didn't remove anything. If you don't understand what he is doing it doesn't mean he is wrong, it only means you don't understand.
RichardE8ST 2 years ago 2
DOD BUZZ
15 SEP 09
The U.S. militarys historic dominance of the skies, unchallenged since around spring 1943, is increasingly at risk because of the proliferation of advanced technologies and a buildup of potential adversary arsenals, according to Air Force Lt. Gen. David Deptula, the services chief for intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance.
ubuibiok 2 years ago
Speaking today at the Air Forces annual convention in the Washington area today, he provided a wide ranging assessment of what the QDR team is calling high-end, asymmetric threats.
Emphasizing the increasing capabilities of anti-access weapons, such as long range precision missiles, Deptula said pilots in future wars will not operate in the permissive threat environments of current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
ubuibiok 2 years ago
Yes, air defense is becoming more automatic or remote controlled lately.
EUROTRASHSPAMMER 2 years ago
If Ron Paul were president he would want to be to trade and be friends with Russia.
Blackjack555 2 years ago 7
True.
Ron Paul is the only one who makes good sense.
LibertaerUeberAlles 2 years ago
Deptula, best known for crafting the Desert Storm air campaign, said potential opponents have learned from U.S. operations and will use precision arsenals to stop a buildup of U.S. airpower near their borders before a war even begins.
Without functioning ground bases, aircraft cannot operate; the Air Force is investing heavily in shorter ranged tactical aircraft, such as the F-22 and F-35, along with a host of older F-15 and F-16.
ubuibiok 2 years ago
Overseas bases from which these aircraft operate are now threatened by increasingly accurate ballistic missiles in Chinese, Russian, Iranian and North Korean arsenals, Deptula said. The newest models are road mobile and exceedingly difficult to locate.
Enemies will use cyber attacks to target U.S. command and control networks and satellite relays, the smooth functioning of which the military is now completely dependant.
ubuibiok 2 years ago
Space is no longer a sanctuary and our satellites are at risk for five decades the U.S. has led the world in space, he said, now, the space domain is perhaps the most likely arena for threats to achieve leveraged effects, against U.S. operations. The Chinese are developing anti-satellite weapons, as are the Russians, and the number of countries that can launch sensor-loaded satellites into space is increasing.
ubuibiok 2 years ago
Because of improvements in over the horizon and passive radars, U.S. aircraft will be detected long before they reach their targets. The area that we operate in free from detection is rapidly shrinking, Deptula said, our adversaries are going to have capabilities that weve never operated against. The newest generation surface-to-air missiles, such as the Russian SA-21, have ranges exceeding 300 miles and the ability to target low flying aircraft, and will likely be exported.
ubuibiok 2 years ago
The idiot bush was the aggressor. You've seen the last of him. You don't have to worry. The world is safe from any more unwarranted attacks. You can trust President Obama
RichardE8ST 2 years ago 5
The day of cowboy diplomacy is over. President Obama has a clear well planned method to insure the protection of America by working with our allies to build a united deterrent to aggressors. It sure is great to finely have a competent intelligent president.
RichardE8ST 2 years ago 4
Fuck! I saw it today too, Obama is going to continue with the shit in Czech Rep and in Poland. Obama will have other things to think about US is boiling and the media doesn't show it at all.
2 millions in DC on 11 Sept 2009, look here /watch?v=195GMYKDAfQ
On 23-25 Obama and the G20 participants including Medvedev will think more about what is going on outside.
shockolanu 2 years ago
Bravo some sense had finally surfaced. Bushs crap foriegn policy is finally dead. The two countries will grow fast and strong if they dont have to point weapons at each other. Sad day for bushs puppets in countries like poland and baltics, now the just have to build a better relations with russia since their master is doing it. Maybe the ethnic russians in the baltics will finally get equal rights.
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FreedomForMankind 2 years ago
sounds good to me but only 1 thing they shuld leave money but make it free =)
Svyat57 2 years ago
So true. Just think, Obomber and his Fabian PROGRESSIVES just gave huge amounts of fake money to banks, which those banks will in-turn loan to the American sheeple for an interest charge lol
Could have just given the fake money directly to the people, instead.
LibertaerUeberAlles 2 years ago
i think that if russia and us unite t hey will be the strongest in the world
Svyat57 2 years ago 3
that would be way to powerful
antoniolopez09 2 years ago
i know and i'm glad it would cuz 1st i'm russian 2nd the worst war could be won't begin any time soon think about it around 65% of world is on war also russia and us got 96% of ALL nuclear weaponary so world would just explode !
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Sylar785 2 years ago
what is that hand sign at 1:14
CosmoZorzi 2 years ago
it's Hakini Mudra.
it helps in thinking and concentration. Powers the brain.
Sylar785 2 years ago
-it's Hakini Mudra.
it helps in thinking and concentration. Powers the brain.
Sanskrit?
Nitrorus 2 years ago
yeah.
look it up yourself.
Sylar785 2 years ago
Then what "mudra" means?
Nitrorus 2 years ago
use the damn google.
Sylar785 2 years ago
Ha, you don't know, but stil uses?
Nitrorus 2 years ago
i know but you could use google to search termins you don't know.
Sylar785 2 years ago
its called fidgeting, I do that all the time without thinking about it.
unillenium 2 years ago
Medvedev is casting spells on people, and his tie is not straight
CosmoZorzi 2 years ago