One handed roll Buddy Rich Traditional Grip

[VKdrang]

that's pretty damn good for a hard surface pad, nice job

[RyanStockbridge]

slop.



[OldSchoolDrummer101]

@RyanStockbridge eat it up then piggy wiggy.

[randywilliams1234]

i bet your wrist hurts after lol

[MrDRUMBUM55]

my drum teacher knew buddy rich and hes teaching me the moeler or push pull technique but i'm stuck on it

[kynancecove]

VERY GOOD can you do the same with a single Matched Grip hand without any reliance of interaction with the RIM.?I am just interested thats all but you have some impressive ability there.I seen Buddy 3 times in the early 80's and it sure looks the Tech MR Rich used. well done.

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[BuddyRichSuperFan]

sweet

[Howardsternswife]

Thanks for your help,i can now do this.... time to update your skill on a new video

[DanLetts97]

I'm stuck at 120 BPM... how do keep getting faster and faster?? How do you progress it??

[OldSchoolDrummer101]

@DanLetts97 if you can keep it steady at 120 your doing great, now you have to play around with your muscles, relax, and think about the rebound, in what ways can you force the stick downward faster? More wrist? More finger control? Maybe both! It takes time.

[DanLetts97]

@OldSchoolDrummer101 Interesting, thanks so much for the advice I appreciate it!! I will keep working it, perhaps I'm being too impatient and expecting results too quickly.

[nickppp100]

damn and i thought i could do this fast. nice work dude.

[spikew10]

Is this Hard to do? or Hard to learn?...

But seriously, I would like an answer please :)

[OldSchoolDrummer101]

@spikew10 sorry, have been moving ppl in for college! yes this is hard to learn, took me 6-8 months to understand what I needed to do. and yes its hard to do at first, but once you really get going its fun. hurts at first but fun

[twgoldwood]

@spikew10 the man speaks the truth

[mickeythebutcher]

imagine what his handwork can do to a girl's downstairs...

[OldSchoolDrummer101]

@JazzSage23 lol, DELETE*  bahahahahaha

[Flamsick]

You are a fine drummer. I can't understand why these lugnuts on YouTube feel that it is necessary to run other people down without justificaion. You have talent, skill, chops, speed command and control and will only get better. Best wishes, Kev.

[mlcoo17]

An observation of drumming practice in general - when we focus only on speed and not on precision, time, dynamics and fluidity, it is very easy to mislead ourselves into thinking we got stuff right. I myself am very guilty of this at times, especially when I am in the early stages of learning something new. I cannot do what is being done here, but what I do is much tighter and cleaner than what is happening here. This WILL be fantastic when it's cleaned up. Nice effort, but be realistic.

[rudydynxx]

@OldSchoolDrummer101 watched your solo liked it,some nice buddy moves,apology for last comment,just compared it to buddy thats all,drum on my man

[chalmers96]

do 32nds like that

[XxStrongDrums1996xX]

@Bquickmasters1 ahh i see what we have here. a common controversy. Don't worry, your both right. Bquickmasters1, Jeff Queen and Bill Bachman march in Drum Corps, which demand perfect everything. tap heights, grip, form, etc. But when it comes to set, technique is open to be freely abused. This one handed roll that Buddy Rich did is ok in a drumset setting, but had he marched a Drum Corps, they wouldn't have had it. Just keep in mind that these are two very different styles of drummming.

[Bquickmasters1]

@XxStrongDrums1996xX Technique should never be abused. Yes it can be tweaked but never abused.. Even on kit everything you hit has a tap hum which means it has a tone most kit players are using moeller which is more of a human feel. Your right Drum corps or any type of drum line situation is totally different than drum kit. BUT technique is to playing anything you cant just hope on a kit and just bang on them and expect to get a tight, nice, tone out of it....

[XxStrongDrums1996xX]

@Bquickmasters1 I will admit that abused was the wrong term to use, tweaked would have been the better term. I believe that abused technique is more of using ideas and motions that can easily be applied to a real playing situation, example: a drum solo. for instance, watch mike mangini's video of his world record single stroke roll at WFD. that's what I consider abusing technique. I think that Buddy Rich's one handed roll is a very useful and legit technique, but I respect your opinion

[Bquickmasters1]

@XxStrongDrums1996xX Yeah man I just watched the video of it and if u noticed its not really clean just real fast and thats okay for what he is doing right there cause he wasnt trying to be the cleanest play just the fastest player. But all he was doing was holding his fulcrum tighter re-postioned his hand and used nothing but fingers. Since our finger muscles are amaller than our wrist and forearms therefore they move much quicker.

[Bquickmasters1]

@XxStrongDrums1996xX But I dont see anything wrong with Buddy Rich's technique drumming is a never ending process and being innovative really good to have as a drummer.. Im not tryin to sound like im dissing his Tech. Cause im honestly not i think its a good tech.

[wowdkftw80]

isnt that a blast beat??

[pm3181]

 HAHAHHAHAHHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA­AAA

[RedVynil]

Okay, pretty cool, so, teach me. I can't tell what you're doing.

[winksoda86]

You are going to cause serious damage to your left hand if you keep this up.

[jazzenterprise]

one handed roll ..... ???

[Bquickmasters1]

Do u have a webcam??

[SausageEggMcMuffin]

@Bquickmasters1

Scratch that.. didn't see your most recent comment. My bad.

btw, when you say tighten your fulcrum, what if it kind of hurts? That's what I'm trying to do right now (just started traditional grip) and the webbing between my index finger and thumb is pretty swollen. Is it supposed to be painful?

[Bquickmasters1]

@SausageEggMcMuffin

No it shouldnt hurt or swell. Do u have a webcam??

[SausageEggMcMuffin]

@Bquickmasters1

No webcam. The stick feels comfortable between my right hand thumb and index finger but with my left hand it feels like the stick's just grinding against bone. There's not much flesh/muscle there.

I've been doing straight accented singles with my other fingers off the stick. You think I should just keep doing that and eventually it'll stop hurting?

[Bquickmasters1]

@SausageEggMcMuffin

Is it hurting on the index finger??

[SausageEggMcMuffin]

@Bquickmasters1

both thumb and index fingers.  right in the webbing.

[Bquickmasters1]

@SausageEggMcMuffin

hmmm i have never had any of my students have that prob. It has to be either your not gripping it correctly or our putting to much pressure on the stick its really hard to catch the prob. without seeing it.

[Bquickmasters1]

ok well tighten up your fulcrum u should be able to put a quarter between fulcrum and play and it not come out. Keep all your fingers relaxed on the stick with no gaps. And use your fulcrum the trigger.

[JustinRKN]

An update video would be awesome. Looking forward to it if it does in fact happen.

Thanks kev.

[stevevandien]

This is why I remain a frustrated drummer. I had a decent two-handed roll, but was never dextrous enough to develop ONE-handed rolls, on either side:) --

[bteniswood]

@stevevandien So, why should you be frustrated? It's more important to have a two handed roll down than a one handed one. While they are fun to play around with, about 0.2% of your music will ever use one. You may find them useful or a similar technique for ghost notes in certain things or styles but in all reality, they are useless to play music with. Anyway, if you can do a two handed roll well, you CAN develop and get a one handed roll down well too. You just need lots of focused practice.

[stevevandien]

@bteniswood Thanks for your encouragement:) --

[brianszuch]

work on your technique and eveness. you are hard to listen to

[manjaganj]

HEY! Worthless music what you should be saying is HOW DO YOU DO THAT!!!!!????? Keep your lack of knowledge to yourself!

[Jjjjjjcool]

people do way to many rudiment stuff. Creativity is what it's all about.

[MYNAMETAYLA]

@Jjjjjjcool There wouldn't be any creativity without rudiments. Rudiments are the basis for all drummer's creativity, whether they know what the rudiments are or not.

[Jjjjjjcool]

@MYNAMETAYLA Creativity comes from your mind, not because your wrists can do a certain movement very well. Rudiments only complement on your style, but your style doesn't evolve out of rudiments.

I bet this guy can do one handed rolls for days, but putting them into a nice drum solo is a whole different thing.

[MYNAMETAYLA]

@Jjjjjjcool That's true. When I read your comment, I thought you meant that people were doing too much rudimentary playing. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[idlehands1111111111]

The gay-wrist technique 1:52

[crazy8sdrums]

@beeftaco3 ...

[viewmore100]

You should get your arthritis taken care of before attempting such complicated and strenuous drills.

[Beeftaco3]

How you can develop a twitch like that in your left but not play a straight alternating single stroke roll evenly at a slow tempo? Or even paradiddles for that matter?

Please, get a metronome and do something productive with your practice time.

[crazy8sdrums]

Put up or shut up.

[JamesTheWench]

Moller?

[UklaTheMokk]

hey, not perfect but still pretty damn good!

[landylandy333]

Mr. CRAIG LeMay, has the most

frightening singles I've ever witnessed.

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LLLLLLLLLLRRRRRRRRRRR 3's....6's.....9's he be vicious fish

[hotspot934]

try a press roll where the sticks are not coming off the pad

[worthmoremusic]

that's not a one hand drum roll...........a rudement of somekind but definitely not a roll

[OldSchoolDrummer101]

@worthmoremusic its the same thing as a single stroke roll... so idk how you can say that haha. Alan Dawsons chart clearly shows it as a roll as well. LRLRLRLR=LLLLLLLL

[rrratatam]

slower=cleaner

[mahrette]

We called this motion open/close years ago. It has been around for years and taught by pros from NYC.

[ransisua]

I see. I thought it was push pull.

Thx

[ransisua]

push pull?

[FeeLtheHertZ]

Hey man, I'm actually maintaining and sticking with traditional for good this time :D.

I find it to not only be more fun, but also more "technical", creative, expansive, and polyrhythmic, as well as straight up suiting certain styles more naturally given its technical orientation.

[1000000jackpot777]

i need some advice.

ive been a matched grip user sense i started drumming. but now ive tried traditional. should i just stay matched or traditional

[nintendorox5]

Traditional=]

[petersinol]

@1000000jackpot777 try traditional. Its very crative. Traditional grip will also build ur matched grip.

[blight4hire]

dam it seems this grip is best to do fast and soft strokes. is it?

[OldSchoolDrummer101]

you can argue it many ways, i think if you really sat down and practiced and are dedicated to traditional it is faster and better. Thats just me though

[blight4hire]

OH MY GOSH! man i saw the drum battle. were u the drummer mimicking buddy rich? cause your 1 handed rolls were really awesome. and u did some 16th notes around the kit which was awesome. k i'm gonna practice traditonal right away.

[superbond2]

Well, I think the speed and strength definitely goes to a matched grip. But really, a good matched and a good traditional grip both have great potential and can be awesome- it just goes down to talent. I hear all the time about drum corps snare players having to work up their left hand to match their right even at super high intensity playing. As far as drumset playing goes, the traditional grip gives you the advantage of moving about the kit. For everything else, i think it goes to matched. IMO

[MattHatter]

I completely agree and ESPECIALLY after hearing the words of the master himself, Buddy Rich. I find I can get better speed and a better balanced pivot with trad grip.

[rusjazzman]

Good job, man!

[clarkewi]

Very nice. I'd like to see the new video. But what precisely is the technique? It looks like the stick is moving in a particular way in the meat of your left hand? Are there alternating positions?

[OldSchoolDrummer101]

Hello everyone!

this video is now over a year old and im wondering if i should post and updated one. Because i think i can blow this video out of the water seeing I have had an entire year to week and mess with the technique.

tell me what you think

-Kevin Zechenelly

OSD

[OldSchoolDrummer101]

Tweek*** not week hahah

[MYNAMETAYLA]

@OldSchoolDrummer101 I think you should

[13thBarcodeDrummer]

Deffo, could you also post a vid on how to do this technique?

[WarpedBottle]

the answer is yes, it's getting there in this video, i'm sure you have it down now

[twgoldwood]

@OldSchoolDrummer101 make a new one

[uomotigre100]

great tecnique.....amazing......but look my drum solo and comment thanks....p.s.= i use muffle for my kit drum...bye :)

[xXxPYRATExXx]

that's a pretty awesome technique

5 stars thanks for showing

[wilmount]

Keep it up my friend, looks good. We all need to practice!!!!! You have a great handle on the concept, just keep going! I'v seen the greats, including Buddy, make mistakes.

How do you get to Carnegie Hall? Practice Man!!!!

and just a note to those negative remarks, What in your make up, makes you better than anybody?

[Blacklorigine]

very cool technique but no power with her...

[DCdrumz59]

Some good work there...a bit rough...but potential is apparent.......keep drummin'!!!

[ThaDeeStylee]

nicely done.

[rudolphjack]

I like what you do with the left hand. Do you have any solos on you-tube? Have you ever worked on the back stroke? Imagine holding the sticks in the traditional grip and with your left hand you play the diddle rudiments with one hand while your right hand is free to play a competing rudiments. I've been working on this approach for 23 years. It can be done.

[JLRappa]

Cool!

[beagleman123456789]

Do Not use your name and Buddy Rich to geather,never.

[B2TheRye]

around 0:56 are those paradiddle-diddles?

[rpmsme]

It was a metro drum lesson you're thinking of; but I've lost it myself!! Now it displays a pink strip that says "withdrawn by user" whatever the hell that implies!! I would assume you and I to be the "users" by playing the clip. Boy am I ripped!!!!!!!!!

[Isntthisalreadytaken]

Was it you that used to have that video about Buddy's left hand technique?

[GregorDaBomb]

In order to play it right do U have to put your snare/pad in an angle like that ? :-/

[OldSchoolDrummer101]

not at all, i just play with the pad tilted b/c i get better rim shots with traditional grip. and it looks cool... : )

[Chilligrinder]

plz film it from the other side too and comment your great technic a little bit to help us ^^

thx dude!!! for sharing this with us and greets from germany

[thegodszeppelin1968]

how long did it take you to go that fast with your left hand?

[OldSchoolDrummer101]

umm about 4 or 5 months

[neri65]

practicing everyday?

[OldSchoolDrummer101]

yes

[DrumsDunn]

Kevin can do this as fast and faster than Buddy Rich. I have clocked him! And nobody else on youtube even comes close. Jojo Mayer may have more one handed rolls but he doesn't have this one at this speed. Kevin kills this!

[OldSchoolDrummer101]

hahahahahahha K Dunn, now we gotta learn how to play it on both hands. then learn to cross over with them both.

[cadaverr]

How many notes did you get by clocking him? More than 14 notes p~/ sec? Because thats what Buddy was clocked at during some videos. I highly doubt this guy could surpass (or equal) that.

[OldSchoolDrummer101]

hahah no i hit 11 notes per sec. not 14, but this video is a few months old now. I could try again and see how many i can get.

[lh4hoo]

Very good man! I've been trying to do the same thing but I din't seem to do it in the right way. What is the best way to train this method? What exercises and what is the excact motion that you use? Thanks in advance!

[TimWaterson]

Nice job on the traditional grip I just sent you a video of my Match grip

let me know what you think

Tim

[yeagemk]

Sounds great man...Wish I could play it like that haha...I need to practice more

[BosseJ]

Very good, but try it in a musical context and also try to make it sound good...

[gaspo218]

Can you do this on a real snare drum ?? or not ??

[romaneberle]

wow, impressive :) not perfect, yet amazing :)

[chikkmagneet]

thats not buddy rich you bastards!

[skateanddrum101]

looks like this could have influenced blast beats..

[redsox1006]

Not as good as buddy but a hell of a lot better than me (and most others)

[groaler]

how do you put both hands together doing push-pull?

[OldSchoolDrummer101]

like interwoven singles with push pull? I don't really understand what you mean sorry.

[MrDownbeat]

man, you got real assholes posting shit, they're just jealous.

[reidjazz]

This is NOT a roll...it is a demonstration of the Moeller technique used by MANY drummers, not just Buddy Rich.

[Timmyinc44]

This has nothing to do with the moller method. this is a push pull motion for the traditional grip.

[yamazuki600]

yup

[mannyv1978]

ive been watching buddy tapes for 10 yrs and i dont have it has as figured out as you.great job..........think u could post video showing how to play a few buddyish licks

[Raniers17]

great!!!

[metaldrummer86]

that looks like it uses up alot of energy. very good video though.

[rafikmankarios]

Hey buddy, you've got a killer left hand! Bravo!

[slnland]

i think this is very interesting. its really neat to watch someone do that roll just right.

[ihatepootube]

THIS IS SPED UP

[richcapo]

Cool. Can't wait to see your new stuff. By the way, if your countings good, how about coming over to my half speed videos and giving your own counts?

[richcapo]

Hard to say, as he rarely did it with his right hand. The only example that readily comes to mind is brief stitch of accented sixteenths notes he does in his 1978 Hague Solo. I never counted his speed there, though. If I find time, I'll give it a shot.

[opusxsmoker]

I have a good double-bounce roll, but I don't know if that plays into this technique or not. Is there a connection at all? If so or not, can you help??? I can't get the rebound thing going!!!!

[OldSchoolDrummer101]

i know what you mean. what you need to do is get a 1:1 ratio in your hits. instead of dada dada dada dada. Thats 2 hits with one motion.

[obsessivetapper]

Thanks! Will practice!!

[opusxsmoker]

Will practice. Thanks!!

[opusxsmoker]

Please enlighten my ignorance. We are talking one hit per motion as opposed to the bounce, correct?

[Jiveness]

at 1:01, what kind of stroke was that?

[Jiveness]

Hell you can do it right handed too!!!

[Jiveness]

Holy crap man, you HAVE to tell me how you learned how to do that!!!

[MetroDrums]

Hey, Buddy was not much faster. He used it as "filler" in his solos. Although he used it very tastefully, and in a very "slick" manner. You do it very well, and not all of the rest of your vignette was garbage. You are very good!!

[richcapo]

> Hey, Buddy was not much faster.

Buddy was very much faster. He could one hand roll sixteenth notes at 200 beats per minute and above. The OHR here, at its fastest, a bit over 8.5 notes per second -- sixteenths around 130 beats per minute.

[cadaverr]

Yes, this is actually true. The guy from this video does it quite well, no doubt, but hes as fast as me doing it (I can do it fairly good as well, not fantastic, but fair). While the speed here would hit around 9 notes (at its fastest), I've counted buddy's in slow motion at 13 to 14 in its fastest. Talk about a difference here... Not just that, but Buddy had perfect flow... it was unbelievable. This video is still very nice and helpful, no doubt. The guy does it pretty well overall.

[ludwig222]

Not bad...Now does it sound on a Drum ???

[scottoboy11]

That's Fucking Sick Kevin

[eldocumenta]

good job

[Fonzydrum88]

:O !!

[lsdvl]

dude KEVIN! chill out bro its me luis! from weight lifting! you know im just playin, ask anyone, i say everything is garbage!!! and yea not bad with the drums, def better than anyone ive heard at sunset keep it up!

[lsdvl]

trash for sure.

[danivedis]

not bad, tad grip for ever!!!

[ScottTravisRocks]

dude, you gotta teach me how to do that!

[richcapo]

Incidentally, I clocked your notes per second -- you're OHRing sixteenths at around 130 beats per minute at your fastest, which is about 8.67 notes per second. Nowhere near as fast as Buddy's top one hand rolls, I don't think ... but so what? It's still pretty darn fast -- if you played both hands that fast for a solid minute, you'd hit 1,040 notes. All I know is that I sure as heck couldn't play as fast as you.

If you post at 1/2 speed, I could better analyze your notes per second.

[richcapo]

I only watched a bit, but it looks correct to me (at least until :20, which is where I had to cut it off). You're hitting a 1:1 ratio with you hits, as opposed to merely hit once and letting it flop a few times.