Pantani was a good climber, Ullrich too, Basso yess, but Lance just played with them all. Lance was a way better climber than any of them! If he wanted too, BAM! Shot away from Pantani. Pantani has never ever put Armstrong in trouble! Ullrich has once or twice in 2003 but Ullrich was magic. BUT NONE OF THEM EVEN NEAR LANCE ARMSTRONG! Who gives a fuck about a stage win Lance LET him win? Lance has 22 of them. AND 7 Tour titles. Pantani dont even come close to that at all. Peach
@Tohya66 Kelme also, yes. But Armstrong was a natural talent for long distance sports since he was a little kid. His whole life he did amazing things, he blew everyone away on the bike, running, and even swimming! This guy is one out of a million, Pantani better showed some respect!
@knorensnor You might be interested in reading an article about endurance genetics in the May 10 issue of Sports Illustrated. Shaq O'Neill is on the cover. It should be archived by now in the SI website. It runs the gamut about nature vs. nurture, etc. And explains why so many great runners--both sprinters and endurance--are African or of African descent. Lance is mentioned as having a fortuitous combination ofgenes for endurance. But it points out that there are many champs with dubious genes
@knorensnor Re. Africans: they seem to have stronger genetics for athletics because people have lived in Africa longer than anywhere else and thus there is more genetic variance there. We see the stars, including some amazing long-distance runners, but to be fair there are many klutzy Africans in the population as well.
I'm glad Armstrong let Pantani have the win. If Pantani had been crawling up the hill, Armstrong would have left him behind, but Pantani kept up the awesome pace that Armstrong needed to feed for the Yellow jersey
@audible67 Pantani certainly did enough to get a stage win and was very deserving but his ego caused him to be bitter about being "allowed" to win. Marco should have inquired into Tour etiquette which has long been favorable to the sort of "gift" granted by Armstrong. In reality, it was more of an honor and an act of thanks for a great race and creating a time that helped to cement the Yellow Jersey for Lance.
Shit, on something? Try and race on coke or anything. You would crack or die like T. Simson. If drugs were used it was not doing the racing. Pre-race prep or something. Let the dopers dope and they will have a very short season, or die trying.
@hexatron2006 It's called self-loathing. That type of person is seldom very good at anything in particular and resents the crap out of anybody who is truly outstanding.
Pathetic little weenies, not to be taken seriously or even bothered with.
in a real world armstrong shouldnt have got anywhere near pantani. The guy was the best climber you will ever see anywhere. The accleration by armstrong here is outrageous, on something without a doubt.
WADA will execute Lance with blood samples in the next days, just as MARCO PANTANI was murdered to suggest use of drugs.
Like Usain Bolt will be and Floyd Landis or Jan Urllrich were falsely accused, victims of a conspiracy set up by the illuminati, in control of US and EU "governments" and obviously of WADA.
//\\\///\\///\\\///\ Google
doping conspiracy Matt MarriottSome goals of the conspiracy are:
avsrule27 - I hear what you're saying, but if Armstrong was peeved by Marco not taking time in front, Armstrong, a great rider, just should have taken the stage for himself and let it go at that. The extra mile he went to show bad sportmanship hasn't been his last time - currently his refusal to speak to the press at the Giro is another example, after the Italians were excited by his presence on their tour. It's not just a slap in the face to the organizers because of Milan but to his fans.
Armstrong used many substances and he has taked drugs in the french tour in 1999. It's very regretable that he can used drugs in impunity! He has destroy this sport and has robbed Marco and the others cyclists as Virenque and Ullrich.
I dislike cyclisms since 1999 because the dream have disapeared.
Marco is the better climber in the cyclism he is still a great champion !
chryshna5...you're jonking aren't you....Pantani was found dead from a drug overdose and you're calling LA...the most tested athlete in history, a cheat....get real.!!!!
tohya66 grazie per aver difeso pantani, il piu' grande scalatore di sempre. ...armstrong a 20 anni si staccava nei cavalcavia.....dopo volava in salita, come mai? pantani da piccolo ha sempre volato in salita . pantani rispettava molto indurain un vero signore e un grande campione...
I lost respect for Armstrong during this fiasco. It was a cruel thing to do to another rider -"Hey, I'll let you win, by pulling back, but. of course, I could easily have won." That takes away from anybody's victory given them the sense they really didn't deserve it.
and why should pantani have done any pace making? clearly armstrong was trying to break him with his constant attacks so in my book it was every man for himself.
to say armstrong gave the stage is to me the same as to say pantani won, the only thing I know is that although I'm rooting for Pantani every time I watch this video, the whole race is definitely unmatched full of drama, guts, yea there is always the doping claims on both sides but no one can deny this was incredible.
Armsrong wanted pantani to work with him and do his share of the pacemaking. Instead all pantani did was follow like a punk. Armstrong was definitely the stronger climber and he gave pantani the stage win as a gift. LOL
why would he give the stage, if he was the better climber did al the work and regrets it 'till today that he never managed to win a stage on mt ventoux. I think its a great attack by armstrong, but weak to claim after the stage that you gave it to the other rider, even when that other rider is the Pirate.
Pantani was a good climber, Ullrich too, Basso yess, but Lance just played with them all. Lance was a way better climber than any of them! If he wanted too, BAM! Shot away from Pantani. Pantani has never ever put Armstrong in trouble! Ullrich has once or twice in 2003 but Ullrich was magic. BUT NONE OF THEM EVEN NEAR LANCE ARMSTRONG! Who gives a fuck about a stage win Lance LET him win? Lance has 22 of them. AND 7 Tour titles. Pantani dont even come close to that at all. Peach
TheBojachaka 10 months ago
@Tohya66 Kelme also, yes. But Armstrong was a natural talent for long distance sports since he was a little kid. His whole life he did amazing things, he blew everyone away on the bike, running, and even swimming! This guy is one out of a million, Pantani better showed some respect!
knorensnor 1 year ago
@knorensnor You might be interested in reading an article about endurance genetics in the May 10 issue of Sports Illustrated. Shaq O'Neill is on the cover. It should be archived by now in the SI website. It runs the gamut about nature vs. nurture, etc. And explains why so many great runners--both sprinters and endurance--are African or of African descent. Lance is mentioned as having a fortuitous combination ofgenes for endurance. But it points out that there are many champs with dubious genes
battenwood 1 year ago
@knorensnor Re. Africans: they seem to have stronger genetics for athletics because people have lived in Africa longer than anywhere else and thus there is more genetic variance there. We see the stars, including some amazing long-distance runners, but to be fair there are many klutzy Africans in the population as well.
battenwood 1 year ago
What bothers me is that they go faster up a mountain than I do on the flat
Paxrep 1 year ago
pantani was a shame to cycling... it's easy to pick riders who take doping before having proof: pantani, ricco, sella, piepoli,... so easy to see
knorensnor 1 year ago
Pantani > Amrstrong
aboomoosab 1 year ago
I'm glad Armstrong let Pantani have the win. If Pantani had been crawling up the hill, Armstrong would have left him behind, but Pantani kept up the awesome pace that Armstrong needed to feed for the Yellow jersey
weav8060 1 year ago
@MrAmore94 not that he did not deserve it but Armstrong gave it to him and that bothered Pantani.
audible67 1 year ago
@audible67 Pantani certainly did enough to get a stage win and was very deserving but his ego caused him to be bitter about being "allowed" to win. Marco should have inquired into Tour etiquette which has long been favorable to the sort of "gift" granted by Armstrong. In reality, it was more of an honor and an act of thanks for a great race and creating a time that helped to cement the Yellow Jersey for Lance.
battenwood 1 year ago
@battenwood no shit.
audible67 1 year ago
Shit, on something? Try and race on coke or anything. You would crack or die like T. Simson. If drugs were used it was not doing the racing. Pre-race prep or something. Let the dopers dope and they will have a very short season, or die trying.
manowar50 1 year ago
I can't see how people can't accept that some people are just really good at something.
hexatron2006 2 years ago
@hexatron2006 It's called self-loathing. That type of person is seldom very good at anything in particular and resents the crap out of anybody who is truly outstanding.
Pathetic little weenies, not to be taken seriously or even bothered with.
battenwood 1 year ago
good lord, insane race, need a epo injection just to watch it
cam8x3 2 years ago
Lol....Indeed.Not a single clean rider in sight
lofi73 1 year ago
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thebostonbruiners 2 years ago
in a real world armstrong shouldnt have got anywhere near pantani. The guy was the best climber you will ever see anywhere. The accleration by armstrong here is outrageous, on something without a doubt.
raff23 2 years ago
But Pantani wasn't on something? Come on now.
thebostonbruiners 2 years ago 2
The humiliation of winning this undeservedly killed Pantani.
audible67 2 years ago 4
the cocaine helped too
thisnameisrandom 2 years ago
agreed.
audible67 2 years ago
WADA will execute Lance with blood samples in the next days, just as MARCO PANTANI was murdered to suggest use of drugs.
Like Usain Bolt will be and Floyd Landis or Jan Urllrich were falsely accused, victims of a conspiracy set up by the illuminati, in control of US and EU "governments" and obviously of WADA.
//\\\///\\///\\\///\ Google
doping conspiracy Matt MarriottSome goals of the conspiracy are:
- sell the BIG PHARMA pills
- terrorize citîzens
- destroy natural sports (atletics, cycling)
Truth666 2 years ago
You're a madman.
i2ambler2002 2 years ago
Ahaahahahahhahah ha hihi
wout112 2 years ago
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so doped !!
66066 2 years ago
Who cares, everybody used.
Sjoebiedieboeb 2 years ago
avsrule27 - I hear what you're saying, but if Armstrong was peeved by Marco not taking time in front, Armstrong, a great rider, just should have taken the stage for himself and let it go at that. The extra mile he went to show bad sportmanship hasn't been his last time - currently his refusal to speak to the press at the Giro is another example, after the Italians were excited by his presence on their tour. It's not just a slap in the face to the organizers because of Milan but to his fans.
outofthebag 2 years ago
Armstrong used many substances and he has taked drugs in the french tour in 1999. It's very regretable that he can used drugs in impunity! He has destroy this sport and has robbed Marco and the others cyclists as Virenque and Ullrich.
I dislike cyclisms since 1999 because the dream have disapeared.
Marco is the better climber in the cyclism he is still a great champion !
chryshna5 2 years ago
chryshna5...you're jonking aren't you....Pantani was found dead from a drug overdose and you're calling LA...the most tested athlete in history, a cheat....get real.!!!!
FTMJarra 2 years ago
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Ok but do you realize pantani actually used drugs. So shut the fuck up and go hang out with your boy Pantani. Oh wait he is dead so shut the fuck up.
avsrule27 2 years ago
Fuck you man he has never failed a drug test and is so good because he trains his ass off. Dont talk about something you know nothing about.
avsrule27 2 years ago
tohya66 grazie per aver difeso pantani, il piu' grande scalatore di sempre. ...armstrong a 20 anni si staccava nei cavalcavia.....dopo volava in salita, come mai? pantani da piccolo ha sempre volato in salita . pantani rispettava molto indurain un vero signore e un grande campione...
Vaicobra 2 years ago
It's not fair to acuse someone of using dope without proof.
3xhile 2 years ago 4
alexvino, your mather fucking with horses.
pantani is better.
pantani forever.
aleytrewq 2 years ago
this is two guys doped to the eyebrows.we might as well be watching two lawnmowers climb the mountain.
LLLLLOYDIE 2 years ago
Ofcourse another one.
Only Pantani is proved, they can't catch Armstrong with 1000 test a year, dont u think he might not have been doped.
Motherfucker, stop judging before something is proved, and as long as it isnt proved that he doped, he didn't dope.
JaahJeMoeder 2 years ago
I lost respect for Armstrong during this fiasco. It was a cruel thing to do to another rider -"Hey, I'll let you win, by pulling back, but. of course, I could easily have won." That takes away from anybody's victory given them the sense they really didn't deserve it.
outofthebag 2 years ago
He did it because pantani wouldnt work with him did you notice how marco didnt take a turn pulling out front.
avsrule27 2 years ago
and why should pantani have done any pace making? clearly armstrong was trying to break him with his constant attacks so in my book it was every man for himself.
raff23 2 years ago
to say armstrong gave the stage is to me the same as to say pantani won, the only thing I know is that although I'm rooting for Pantani every time I watch this video, the whole race is definitely unmatched full of drama, guts, yea there is always the doping claims on both sides but no one can deny this was incredible.
mishito1229 3 years ago
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jrod8496 2 years ago
jrod- Pantani died from a cocaine overdose.
j0shw17 2 years ago
he did not live a healthy life toward his end. thats what i meant
jrod8496 2 years ago
the three things that Pantani took away from Armostrong forever:
-Mont Ventoux stage
-Alpe d'huez's climbing Record
-the beloved fans around the world
Karma is a Bitch- isn't it LA? HAHAHAHAHA
hfer 3 years ago 3
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three things: pantani= epo epo epo. caught that scumbag pig
alexvino99 3 years ago
@hfer
Actualy its 4 things.
- Early death thanks to drugs
AtheneFanboy 1 year ago
Yeah, but he died of a cocaine overdose.
Lance Armstrong started a foundation that does research for cancer....
BIG DIFFERENCE!
keith5617 1 year ago
@hfer Im sure Lance has his own fans!
jamsams 1 year ago
Armsrong wanted pantani to work with him and do his share of the pacemaking. Instead all pantani did was follow like a punk. Armstrong was definitely the stronger climber and he gave pantani the stage win as a gift. LOL
ghostzapper2006 3 years ago
why would he give the stage, if he was the better climber did al the work and regrets it 'till today that he never managed to win a stage on mt ventoux. I think its a great attack by armstrong, but weak to claim after the stage that you gave it to the other rider, even when that other rider is the Pirate.
frankerspanker 3 years ago
Pantani was in the front of the race for the whole day, Armstrong had respect for that fact, and that is why he let Pantani win
halodio 3 years ago
2:26: WTF? He's still following me
BGF324 3 years ago 3