i have yet to ever limp-wrist a pistol, and i actually have a hard time imagining what limp-wristing would feel like (probably scary since the gun would be less predictable)
the spring in the mag eliminates the chance of stove piping by preventing the casing from having an alternate exit port. why assume the extractor can only throw one way 100% of the time. block the backdoor and things will work as expected.
@Turophiliac777 I think it's more of a chance thing, it happened with all three of Hickok's guns and several other peoples. I haven't tried it yet with my Glock 19 but I'll post when I do with the results. I'm thinking that the large hole where the magazine usually is allows the casing to jumble or ricochet around in there, usually it just falls out the bottom but there's a chance it will stovepipe. I could be wrong though I'm not a gunsmith...
what have we learned... dont shot a semi-auto without the clip in. good to know ive never personaly tried it with my 1911 but ill try it this weekend.
to complete my comment below, maybe a test can be perform, same thing like you do into your video, chamber the round, remove the magasine and fire, but when fire, try to put the left palm hand onto the bottom of the magasine hole to ''cap'' it and keep pressure inside the gun and see what it does...
@Hickok45, Maybe, when there is no magasine in the gun, it makes a large hole into the gun where the internal pressure will escape, instead of
having all this pressure evacuate into the ejection port that probably help the ejection mechanisim to throw out the empty cartridge when the magasine is in place.
Maybe sometimes it makes a sort of vacuum that keeps the cartridge from being ejected correctly.
vid doesnt make sence to me. that if the mag is in the gun it doesnt stove pipe but if the mag isnt in the gun it does. It must have something to do with the magazine . I cant figure it out Hickok. But I have learned something from this Vid. there is something going on with the magazine lower spring that if it is in place it somehow helps the case to extract. if that makes any sense? you have a nut case making stupid comments here his name is TecTactical suggest u delete him
As others have mentioned I'm sure the top round or follower coming up may help, but I would be willing to be the position of the ejector is relevant as well. I would bet that a gun with a longer ejector &/or one that is positioned lower on the breechface would tend to eject more reliably. I am not, however, intimately familiar with the differences between ejector position on a Glock vs 1911 vs Beretta vs whatever. May be interesting to examine.
Great observation, I presume the next round coming up from the magazine helps extract the casing during cycling. Another gun to test would be the Beretta 92 with the open slide and it's long extractor.
hey hicok45 i dont know if you have ever heard of the gun but a hi point c9 9mm i have done this with 1 and it did not do this for 30 rounds and then my arm got tired of doing it lol but alot of people trash the gun but id like to c u get any hi point and tell us wat u think just 200 bucks for a new 1
what would have really interested me to see, is the same test with the desert eagle, as it is, contrary to glocks and 1911s, and most normal pistols, gas operated.
but whatever, i wish enough in my life, what i'm here for, is to say, great video, as always, and thank you, for sharing your experience with us.
I think , the slide go back in a tad faster in speed since it don't have to drag another round to the chamber , some of those empty case don't have enough time to jump out. ( that's gotta be it.)
I discovered the same thing yesterday with my Glock 30, I chambered a round then pulled the mag out, it didn't stove pipe but it did beat the cartridge up pretty bad, interesting.
It has happened to me as well. I have a G26. When the range master said to fire what we had to open the range so that we could walk to the targets, I just took out the mag and fired. It stove piped. On a different day, the empty went down the grip. I don't know if it should be considered a problem other than not perfect because there may be a time when one shot at a time with a missing mag. may be necessary. Should be easy to clear though with no stuck slide.
Ok, I have put my 2 cents in, I have this same problem over the years, with different pistols. Beretta 92sf, glocks 23 and 22. Just about all my sigs and 1911, does the same thing. My experience is if you shoot 10 times without the mag, you ll get a stove pipe 7 or 8 times. Great Video...
My Gen 3 G19 consistently stove-pipes with the magazine out; 3 for 3 yesterday.
Thanks for confirming that it is not a defective gun, just a 'normal' behavior for semi-automatics.
I suspect the problem is that the ejection sequence relies on the magazine follower or the next cartridge to block the spent cartridge from falling down so the only place for it to go is out the side.
My Gen 3 G19 consistently stove-pipes with the magazine out; 3 for 3 yesterday.
Thanks for confirming that it is not a defective gun, just a 'normal' behavior for semi-automatics.
I suspect the problem is that the ejection sequence relies on the magazine follower or the next cartridge to block the spent cartridge from falling down so the only place for it to go is out the side.
I've discussed about your experience with my gunsmith, what he says is that usually that's an extractor tuning problem, very common in 1911's, and might be due to the huge amount of shooting in your Glocks, if that's the case... the guns shoot reliably with the magazines in because it helps ejecting the case as you state in the video... but a light tune of the extractor should avoid the problem even in Glocks... I'll try on my 23...
I don't know much about guns at all but I would think that the open magazine hole would be where the um.... back pressure would escape first. If that is the case then I could see the cartridge being pulled in that direction from the wind so to speak. Please feel free to set me straight. I am just speculating on this with very little knowledge.
I really enjoy your videos and respect your opinions. I was wondering if you normally carry your personal defense gun with a round in the chamber? Thanks,
@1039sflem dont take this in an offensive manner partner,but any time you carry your personal defense weapon, you should have a round in the chamber. If not, you should not be carrying, because your probably not ready to. I have heard of numerous people who were afraid to carry their gun with a round in the chamber for fear it would go off.Those people should not carry until they have sufficient training.The amount of time it would take to rack the slide in a life and death would be detrimental.
@Renta1Cop I am not offended and I appreciate your concern and opinion. In fact, I recently purchased a new handgun which I do in fact carry with a loaded chamber. I think it is a level of confidence and training each person must work out themselves. Again, thanks for the concern.
yeah, but the smith & wesson 669 2nd generation 9mm i used to have was a GREAT gun, and couldn't shoot without the mag anyway..besides, i don't like single shot semis
hi point 9MM was cheap but work ok lill off on sight but 109.00 good deal ! the older 25s worked excelant no jams looked like a 1950s mabe 70s not sure but they were fun... POP POP so was the 44 hair trigger single bolt action BOOM looks hot there lol good thing were not in the cold war hahe bad amo jamin guns 1845 in he rain lol.. i can hit anything with a rocket ..life is...good hickok45
I typically carry a 380acp pistol (Keltec p3at or Walther PK380) both do the same thing without a magazine. Actually noticed while breaking both pistols in I had 3 casings stovepipe in the Walther in quick succession. The range master and myself came to the conclusion I was gripping the pistol too tightly when firing which I could see a problem for smaller rounds.
The important part to me isn't that a casing can stovepipe without a magazine but the fact it'll fire. That could save a life.
I tried this with my 1911 (kimber tactical) and my XD 40 and 45 with the same results in this video. I was kinda surprised. its a good thing tokeep in mind in a self defense perspective. keep up the good work. I have to deploy again and I enjoy watching ur videos in my down time.
hey hickok, can you check out my video response tell me how much you think my dou 42 mauser is worth i heard that if you go to a gun show their will be 50 normal k98s to 1 dou 42s. Greatly appreciated.
Common "problem"...but not really a problem. On many auto's, the extractor does not hold the round tightly against the face of the slide. As a result, when cycling without the guidance provided by the mag follower or round in the mag, the brass is free to fall out of position resulting in inconsistent brass ejection. But this really is not a problem. Whether the brass ejects cleanly or jams, the simple act of reloading the weapon (insert loaded mag & rack slide) will also clear any problem.
Common "problem"...but not really a problem. On many auto's, the extractor does not hold the round tightly against the face of the slide. As a result, when cycling without the guidance provided by the mag follower or round in the mag, the brass is free to fall out of position resulting in inconsistent brass ejection. But this really is not a problem. Whether the brass ejects cleanly or jams, the simple act of reloading the weapon (insert loaded mag & rack slide) will also clear any problem.
@hkct45 , I get way too many video response requests to accept any of them, but I'd be glad to hear how it comes out. One fellow did a video with his H&K, and he couldn't get his to do it. I've heard from folks with just about every other gun I can think of that act the same way, though.
Very intriguing video, Hickok45 ... I'm going to attempt this same test with my H&K P30L, USP45 and USP Compact (9mm). I'll also try it with my SIG P226 and P220 ST, as well as a couple of my 1911s. Kudos for being willing to put your weapons to the test, amigo. ;-)
hey hickok, i went shooting today and when we were leaving the range, i noticed i had one fmj 9mm round in the bottom of my bag. so i fired it without a mag in and it stove piped. also my mag today wouldn't lock back the slide, it's the only problem i've ever had with my glock.
How's this for an analogy: Revolvers are to fixed wing aircraft, as semi-auto's are to helicopters. Much more mechanics going on with the Semi-auto. Both great designs, but the more parts and levers and springs, the more to go wrong.
I think sticking with "mechanics", as you mentioned earlier in your post is the proper route, instead of introducing the number of parts. Some autoloaders have less parts than comparable revolvers. However, it's the physics involved with cycling of the action, that is usually responsible for a semi-auto experiencing troubles. I don't think the failure rate for the actual components themselves is that different between the two.
And I would not classify it as a malfunction. The guns are designed to be assembled when fired which would include having the mag in it. If it stovepipes with a mag in it, like my Llama 9mm (1911 style) used to, then I would worry :) And in case you don't know, a Llama should not be depended on for self-defense unless you are a gunsmith and know how to inspect and repair one. The quality control is very low. Worst brand I ever owned. I am a Glock man now! Low maintenance, highly reliable.
My understanding is that the magazine follower keeps the pressure on the bottom of the shell to help the extractor properly eject the shell. And if the mag is out, you can't get another round anyway, right? :)
As I recall there were a few Semi's that had a Magazine disconnect which did not allow the weapon to fire without a magazine fully seated. I believe the Browning Hi-power was one and possibly Beretta. I have fired thousands of rounds through a Glock and cant recall that happening but I also cant recall intentionally firing the weapon without a magazine. As always very interesting.
The Glock and 1911 jam after a couple shots of round. I guess after a couple shots, the component sof the gun heat up and expand causing the jam without the support of the magazine
The Glock and 1911 jam after a couple shots of round. I guess after a couple shots, the component sof the gun heat up and expand causing the jam without the support of the magazine
@nebula25x I was talking about malfunctions. not this only 1 in the chamber thing. no1 would be dumb enough to just walk around with 1 in the pipe. Not in this group of peole anyhow.
When you fire a pistol with a limp wrist hold alot of pistols will stovepipe. With the mag out, the pistol has less weight to it. This has same affect as if a limp hold is held. The less mass causes gun to jump and cause the malfunction. Even though your holding mag in other hand it is not weight on the gun.
I understand the desire to explore such things and I might be stating the obvious here, but obviously if you have no magazine seated to feed the next round, the jamming of a spent cartridge isn't a huge deal is it?
@The50011 , I think I was meaning to unload it and blab at the viewer some more at that point. I realized it would be easier to just shoot the last round out instead of racking the slide.
A Glock may succeed to slip its extractor past the case extractor groove, but it's designed primarily to have the groove slip in from under the extractor. Sort of like a Mauser action - a controlled feed.
Berettas too have this way of functioning, but also have an extractor with a more pronounced slope on the front of the tooth - allowing the rim to slip easier under the extractor tooth.
@TheHiddenPart Good to know. Thanks for the answer. Had looked the gun and parts over for quite a while, so figured it had to be some small angle thing
@soupy572 I was very careful (read: slow) when closing the slide to avoid just that sort of thing. Guess I'll just load one from the mag, then replace it to make the 13+1
ILL SAY IT FOR ALL.... WHEN SLIDE FALLS TO REAR POSITION IS WHEN THE EJECTOR DOES ITS JOB. THE NEXT ROUND UP HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EJECTING A SPENT ROUND.
Every so often you come up with information that I had never heard before over the years, but should have. It's a good thing you removed that mag with one shot left in the Gen4. What if it hadn't stove-piped? It was the "Jam Heard Around the World".
man they way you hold that glock it looks like the slide is dang close to biting you when you fire. You ever get bit? Love your range btw....awesome...
why does my glock squeek, i literaly just got it today and i shot 150 rounds through it but when i got to cock it it squeeks is this normal?? or how do i make it stop??
@ShadowTeam28 That squeaking you hear is the spring sliding along the barrel when you retract the slide. Perfectly normal, does not affect anything, just part of the ultra-reliable system.
Hickok I'm a 1911 guy but I'm slowly coming over to the dark side. My next purchase will be a glock, but next year I will be buying my anniversary colt 1911. Love the videos. Thanks
A lot of times when im done shooting, ill decide to take a shot or two at something in the distance with my 1911. Normally i keep wanting to to a 1 more type thing, so i load them directly into the chamber without the mag, so ive shot quite a bit with no mag and never had this happen. Maybe I'm just lucky!
This is an interesting occurrence. But under normal circumstances, a follow-up cartridge will help a spent one out the door. You'll probably never experience this with a semi-auto that has a magazine in the gun that plays a part in keeping the slide open after the final round....unless, of course, the final round doesn't have enough powder in it to cycle the slide.
Cool experiment! Great setup testing it against the other guns. I think I have had similar experiences with a Glock 19 jamming like that. Glad to know it wasn't some weird fluke.
Thanks for this on-target follow up video. I found a lot of semi-auto pistol clearing videos on different You Tube channels, but was wondering if you’ve heard any stories, or have some advice about tactical clearing for revolver jams.
That was a very educational vido. My conclusion is that in both types of the guns the ejector is positioned too low and that a loaded mag's upper cartridge or empty mag's follower acts on the side of an ejector on the last round. Both guns were supposed to work if magazine was lost at least as single loads with an ejector, werent't they?
It's probably been said before, but a gun jamming/malfunctioning without the magazine may be the sign of a weak/untuned ejector.
especially in 1911s, a flawed ejector may go unnoticed until there's a casein the magazine ready to pop the shell out of the ejection port, as it springs in position on the lips.
With no mag in place - and no round pushing upwards waiting for chambering- the spent case has nothing to force it out of the ejection port - again, with a flawed ejector -.
The magazine is a platform to help hold the empty case up as its ejected out. With no bottom(ie no magazine) the empty cartridge is not supported and you can see in the video it sometimes ejects from the bottom. Bottom line......keep your mags in. I do like a gun that will fire without a mag.....because some will not. Peace.
As Long as it fired the round its reliable. If the mag drops out it no longer has a ammo supply in the first place.
Good video
Semper Fi
IraqiSniper107 3 weeks ago
Love the thoroughness of your testing hickok!
MissyMarieN 1 month ago
i have yet to ever limp-wrist a pistol, and i actually have a hard time imagining what limp-wristing would feel like (probably scary since the gun would be less predictable)
Lvl22nerd 2 months ago
the spring in the mag eliminates the chance of stove piping by preventing the casing from having an alternate exit port. why assume the extractor can only throw one way 100% of the time. block the backdoor and things will work as expected.
1mulekicker 2 months ago
Weak loads man. Need more juice in your loads I think you did that to make a good point to clear the weapon. well done.
PETE1760 3 months ago
@PETE1760 , Not a weak load issue. I don't have any weak loads.
hickok45 3 months ago 10
Also, a lot of semi-automatics have a safety that won't allow them to fire when the magazine is out.
ninja5861 3 months ago
@ninja5861 Yeah, like the Browning Hi-Power
JMunn55 2 weeks ago
@Turophiliac777 I think it's more of a chance thing, it happened with all three of Hickok's guns and several other peoples. I haven't tried it yet with my Glock 19 but I'll post when I do with the results. I'm thinking that the large hole where the magazine usually is allows the casing to jumble or ricochet around in there, usually it just falls out the bottom but there's a chance it will stovepipe. I could be wrong though I'm not a gunsmith...
thefinder808 4 months ago
1911's have a soul.....glocks don't.
italianguns 6 months ago 3
@italianguns lol glocks dont have a soul??ok buddy..
JUKEBOXX1990 4 months ago
That first malfunction was NASTY...
ThunderousWrath 6 months ago
what have we learned... dont shot a semi-auto without the clip in. good to know ive never personaly tried it with my 1911 but ill try it this weekend.
jube1123 6 months ago
Accidentally created the same failure with Glock 27. Then tested Glock 22 and got the same thing. Good to know.
ElDub50 6 months ago
The 92FS does it. It takes quite a few tries though.
mikeb1444 7 months ago
Sir Isaac Newton gets to win sometimes! ({:-)
lurch2150 7 months ago 6
I've never done any real crazy testing, but I feel like my model 22 has been more vulnerable to this sort of thing than my 17.
2217Glock 7 months ago
to complete my comment below, maybe a test can be perform, same thing like you do into your video, chamber the round, remove the magasine and fire, but when fire, try to put the left palm hand onto the bottom of the magasine hole to ''cap'' it and keep pressure inside the gun and see what it does...
cadwarrior 7 months ago
@Hickok45, Maybe, when there is no magasine in the gun, it makes a large hole into the gun where the internal pressure will escape, instead of
having all this pressure evacuate into the ejection port that probably help the ejection mechanisim to throw out the empty cartridge when the magasine is in place.
Maybe sometimes it makes a sort of vacuum that keeps the cartridge from being ejected correctly.
cadwarrior 7 months ago
vid doesnt make sence to me. that if the mag is in the gun it doesnt stove pipe but if the mag isnt in the gun it does. It must have something to do with the magazine . I cant figure it out Hickok. But I have learned something from this Vid. there is something going on with the magazine lower spring that if it is in place it somehow helps the case to extract. if that makes any sense? you have a nut case making stupid comments here his name is TecTactical suggest u delete him
jameskennethwarren 8 months ago
I never would have thought about this. Really interesting. Hopefully this never happens to anyone when it matters.
JAndersonIV 8 months ago
As others have mentioned I'm sure the top round or follower coming up may help, but I would be willing to be the position of the ejector is relevant as well. I would bet that a gun with a longer ejector &/or one that is positioned lower on the breechface would tend to eject more reliably. I am not, however, intimately familiar with the differences between ejector position on a Glock vs 1911 vs Beretta vs whatever. May be interesting to examine.
sinajg 8 months ago
Great observation, I presume the next round coming up from the magazine helps extract the casing during cycling. Another gun to test would be the Beretta 92 with the open slide and it's long extractor.
MrBigden37 9 months ago
I have had that happen once with my glock 19. I am going to try with the beretta this weekend. I also wonder if it will do it with say an ar15?
skylar3620 9 months ago
excuse me hickok, but i don't think that's a fair critisizm against semi-auto pistols.
carnut476 10 months ago
The other rounds or the follower pushing up when the slide is clear might help pop the spent case out...
AngeredKabar 10 months ago
is it hot where you live cuz your sweetin bullets hahaha
nathan2rock 10 months ago
you should try it w/ a 92 and an xd- supposedly the 92 can do this much better w/ it's open slide...
ETHEREALYOGA 1 year ago
hey hicok45 i dont know if you have ever heard of the gun but a hi point c9 9mm i have done this with 1 and it did not do this for 30 rounds and then my arm got tired of doing it lol but alot of people trash the gun but id like to c u get any hi point and tell us wat u think just 200 bucks for a new 1
copeblack4life 1 year ago
what would have really interested me to see, is the same test with the desert eagle, as it is, contrary to glocks and 1911s, and most normal pistols, gas operated.
but whatever, i wish enough in my life, what i'm here for, is to say, great video, as always, and thank you, for sharing your experience with us.
plasmasmasher 1 year ago
I've tested this with my glock some time ago. If there is no magazine the spent round will stovepipe often.
RealTruth888 1 year ago
Interesting.. Thanks for the testing and info.
SirJabsAlot 1 year ago
I think , the slide go back in a tad faster in speed since it don't have to drag another round to the chamber , some of those empty case don't have enough time to jump out. ( that's gotta be it.)
datnas 1 year ago
Interesting video...
YourMilageMayVary 1 year ago
your really sweating it up arnt you?
WhatsaUserName321 1 year ago
I discovered the same thing yesterday with my Glock 30, I chambered a round then pulled the mag out, it didn't stove pipe but it did beat the cartridge up pretty bad, interesting.
ferks60 1 year ago
whats that noise in the background ? sounds too loud to be just crickets
waseem1173 1 year ago
dont them bullets ever bounce back at you. I dont like to shoot metal because I have not shot nearly as much as you.
goodlookin41 1 year ago
It has happened to me as well. I have a G26. When the range master said to fire what we had to open the range so that we could walk to the targets, I just took out the mag and fired. It stove piped. On a different day, the empty went down the grip. I don't know if it should be considered a problem other than not perfect because there may be a time when one shot at a time with a missing mag. may be necessary. Should be easy to clear though with no stuck slide.
Seven7hSon 1 year ago
Ok, I have put my 2 cents in, I have this same problem over the years, with different pistols. Beretta 92sf, glocks 23 and 22. Just about all my sigs and 1911, does the same thing. My experience is if you shoot 10 times without the mag, you ll get a stove pipe 7 or 8 times. Great Video...
willydan45414 1 year ago
my local gun store has a colt tsb about unreliable ejecting when single loading rounds and firing with no mag in it. it is dated from the late 80s.
3kgt2nv 1 year ago
and thats why i never own a semi auto i think i stick with my colt revolver but nice vid
tengin1990 1 year ago
Maybe its because thie rounds in the magazine helps keep the spent round from falling down.
mrdeadeye19 1 year ago
hay woud you buy a gen 4. or stay with the gen3. ?
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My Gen 3 G19 consistently stove-pipes with the magazine out; 3 for 3 yesterday.
Thanks for confirming that it is not a defective gun, just a 'normal' behavior for semi-automatics.
I suspect the problem is that the ejection sequence relies on the magazine follower or the next cartridge to block the spent cartridge from falling down so the only place for it to go is out the side.
coachloke 1 year ago
My Gen 3 G19 consistently stove-pipes with the magazine out; 3 for 3 yesterday.
Thanks for confirming that it is not a defective gun, just a 'normal' behavior for semi-automatics.
I suspect the problem is that the ejection sequence relies on the magazine follower or the next cartridge to block the spent cartridge from falling down so the only place for it to go is out the side.
coachloke 1 year ago
I've discussed about your experience with my gunsmith, what he says is that usually that's an extractor tuning problem, very common in 1911's, and might be due to the huge amount of shooting in your Glocks, if that's the case... the guns shoot reliably with the magazines in because it helps ejecting the case as you state in the video... but a light tune of the extractor should avoid the problem even in Glocks... I'll try on my 23...
pb1964 1 year ago
I don't know much about guns at all but I would think that the open magazine hole would be where the um.... back pressure would escape first. If that is the case then I could see the cartridge being pulled in that direction from the wind so to speak. Please feel free to set me straight. I am just speculating on this with very little knowledge.
DuckmanH 1 year ago
Great way to train though, I have tried to break my gen-2 for years now so it's something I'm gonna try.
maltieskitten 1 year ago
@skindresser , Could be part of it, but I never have limp wristing problems with semi-auto pistols when shooting one-handed.
hickok45 1 year ago
glock 18 is beast try that one
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xdFyy 1 year ago
awesome video!
TheChrisDahl 1 year ago
I really enjoy your videos and respect your opinions. I was wondering if you normally carry your personal defense gun with a round in the chamber? Thanks,
1039sflem 1 year ago
@1039sflem , That's a matter of shooting and training level, I think.
hickok45 1 year ago
@1039sflem dont take this in an offensive manner partner,but any time you carry your personal defense weapon, you should have a round in the chamber. If not, you should not be carrying, because your probably not ready to. I have heard of numerous people who were afraid to carry their gun with a round in the chamber for fear it would go off.Those people should not carry until they have sufficient training.The amount of time it would take to rack the slide in a life and death would be detrimental.
Renta1Cop 1 year ago
@Renta1Cop I am not offended and I appreciate your concern and opinion. In fact, I recently purchased a new handgun which I do in fact carry with a loaded chamber. I think it is a level of confidence and training each person must work out themselves. Again, thanks for the concern.
1039sflem 1 year ago
This was awesome I wanna go out in the woods and fire off some shots now...thanks for sharing.....
cheznar 1 year ago
DId the google ad just tell you guys that your 9's won't save you lmao....
cheznar 1 year ago
yeah, but the smith & wesson 669 2nd generation 9mm i used to have was a GREAT gun, and couldn't shoot without the mag anyway..besides, i don't like single shot semis
carnut476 1 year ago
Can you please do a review on that sexy series 80 1911 you're packing?
Italics560 1 year ago
hmm i wonder if it would fall out ur mag hole
Obeace 1 year ago
i tried this today with my glock 17 i noticed that i can feel the gas passing through the mag well when the magazine is not there
killahaze916 1 year ago
I have tried it in the past with a p89, i never noticed that problem, but am now curious to test as you have. Interesting...
GitNSkinny 1 year ago
hi point 9MM was cheap but work ok lill off on sight but 109.00 good deal ! the older 25s worked excelant no jams looked like a 1950s mabe 70s not sure but they were fun... POP POP so was the 44 hair trigger single bolt action BOOM looks hot there lol good thing were not in the cold war hahe bad amo jamin guns 1845 in he rain lol.. i can hit anything with a rocket ..life is...good hickok45
nickiz1 1 year ago
Try this test with the Beretta. The open top slide
should prevent this from happening.
MrJtaylor444 1 year ago
I typically carry a 380acp pistol (Keltec p3at or Walther PK380) both do the same thing without a magazine. Actually noticed while breaking both pistols in I had 3 casings stovepipe in the Walther in quick succession. The range master and myself came to the conclusion I was gripping the pistol too tightly when firing which I could see a problem for smaller rounds.
The important part to me isn't that a casing can stovepipe without a magazine but the fact it'll fire. That could save a life.
elesjuan 1 year ago
i wonder if it does this with a .44 revolver..oh wait...
Patriotsix6 1 year ago
hey you teach me so much...x_x..has a gun ever saved your life?
sasukelgty 1 year ago
Whoaa good test on that Glock 22. Talk about replicating a problem that was really well done. I think I'll try that on my S&W M&P9...
RugB346 1 year ago
Hickok is obviously mocking us mere mortals when he says, "I'm not really going to try and hit anything."
GunnyBear95 1 year ago
Hey thanks for posting this video! Good info on these handguns.
Loue333 1 year ago
My gen 1 will do the same thing
deerslayer25 1 year ago
Makes sense. The spring in the magazine does help in pushing the empty casing upward when the slide recoils back.
danshyu 1 year ago
great info! Good to keep in mind during training.
smsunder 1 year ago
I tried this with my 1911 (kimber tactical) and my XD 40 and 45 with the same results in this video. I was kinda surprised. its a good thing tokeep in mind in a self defense perspective. keep up the good work. I have to deploy again and I enjoy watching ur videos in my down time.
customgsxr600 1 year ago 6
@customgsxr600 , Be careful out there. Thanks for watching.
hickok45 1 year ago 7
I was really surprised that the m1911 malfunctioned.
Oecleus 1 year ago
Thats hard on the 1911's parts to do that because the slide slams on a empty chamber...
Montblanc1986 1 year ago
Is it ignorant to ask if this could happen in a rifle as well? Just something I was thinking...
fab006 1 year ago
This happened once in my Sig when I dropped the mag early. Interesting to see it happens to them all. It makes sense though. Thanks for the info.
RIPbiker13 1 year ago
GLOCK FAIL! Well then they aren't "perfection".
Mrcaffinebean 1 year ago
You should do this with your new .44 Desert Eagle
MrSean1997 1 year ago
hey hickok, can you check out my video response tell me how much you think my dou 42 mauser is worth i heard that if you go to a gun show their will be 50 normal k98s to 1 dou 42s. Greatly appreciated.
jhawley1995 1 year ago
interesting.....
DrJ2007 1 year ago
hey hickok, whats your favorite assault rifle, handgun, and sniper rifle?
JoseTheMexican10 1 year ago
@JoseTheMexican10 , I like them all! :-)
hickok45 1 year ago 10
Hey thanks alot for taking the time to share your observations with the rest of us shooters. Good stuff Hickok!
scuds03 1 year ago
deytookourjob!!!
MrMynameisdude 1 year ago
Good video! I love my Glocks and I'm always interested in learning more about how they function and or malfunction. Thanks again for some good info!
beekmann 1 year ago
One time I shot my G21without the mag. No stovepipe, But it did send the casing flying forward which i found interesting.
GlockGorilla 1 year ago
Years ago I found the same thing happened when shooting a WWII era Walter P38.
jim1088 1 year ago
Common "problem"...but not really a problem. On many auto's, the extractor does not hold the round tightly against the face of the slide. As a result, when cycling without the guidance provided by the mag follower or round in the mag, the brass is free to fall out of position resulting in inconsistent brass ejection. But this really is not a problem. Whether the brass ejects cleanly or jams, the simple act of reloading the weapon (insert loaded mag & rack slide) will also clear any problem.
1netrat 1 year ago
Common "problem"...but not really a problem. On many auto's, the extractor does not hold the round tightly against the face of the slide. As a result, when cycling without the guidance provided by the mag follower or round in the mag, the brass is free to fall out of position resulting in inconsistent brass ejection. But this really is not a problem. Whether the brass ejects cleanly or jams, the simple act of reloading the weapon (insert loaded mag & rack slide) will also clear any problem.
1netrat 1 year ago 2
Great info Hickok!
This video could save a life!!
I will have to try this with my HK's...Will post a video response.
hkct45 1 year ago
@hkct45 , I get way too many video response requests to accept any of them, but I'd be glad to hear how it comes out. One fellow did a video with his H&K, and he couldn't get his to do it. I've heard from folks with just about every other gun I can think of that act the same way, though.
hickok45 1 year ago
@hickok45
Understandable!! I'll post a vid on my page and P.M. you when it's up with results.
Your video here should raise EVERYONE'S eybrows who owns any type or brand of semi-automatic pistol!
Your contribution on YT is appreciated all!
hkct45 1 year ago 2
This is something that i never would have thought about. Thanks for the demo, very informative...
smcginley 1 year ago
thumbs up if you think 131rocketman is a thumbs whore (lol hypocrisy o well)
igrenade 1 year ago
So what is this about? I'm confused.
SparkRockerFire 1 year ago
@SparkRockerFire wow
SNIPER12431243 1 year ago
You know, my kimber eclipse had stovepipes all the time till broken in, at least 2 in a box of 50, but that was with the magazine still in place.
BiffBallbag 1 year ago
Very intriguing video, Hickok45 ... I'm going to attempt this same test with my H&K P30L, USP45 and USP Compact (9mm). I'll also try it with my SIG P226 and P220 ST, as well as a couple of my 1911s. Kudos for being willing to put your weapons to the test, amigo. ;-)
mcj5644 1 year ago
Hickok,
Don't let anyone from glock see this! excellent vid and even better idea to test pistols this way. 5 stars
mattfjeagle 1 year ago
Very interesting video. Thank you for doing this for us.
damwmnm 1 year ago
Good information. Appreciate the insight.
frankgon4 1 year ago
nice video hickok hey did you ever uploaded da redneck tree triming? haha
bogarmcr1425 1 year ago
hey hickok, i went shooting today and when we were leaving the range, i noticed i had one fmj 9mm round in the bottom of my bag. so i fired it without a mag in and it stove piped. also my mag today wouldn't lock back the slide, it's the only problem i've ever had with my glock.
TacticalAngel86 1 year ago
Cool Video! Life is good! May the force be with you! Shalom!
scubaguy007 1 year ago
Good test. I'm gonna try that with some of mine.
vanslam 1 year ago
How's this for an analogy: Revolvers are to fixed wing aircraft, as semi-auto's are to helicopters. Much more mechanics going on with the Semi-auto. Both great designs, but the more parts and levers and springs, the more to go wrong.
1929JD 1 year ago
@1929JD
I think sticking with "mechanics", as you mentioned earlier in your post is the proper route, instead of introducing the number of parts. Some autoloaders have less parts than comparable revolvers. However, it's the physics involved with cycling of the action, that is usually responsible for a semi-auto experiencing troubles. I don't think the failure rate for the actual components themselves is that different between the two.
opmike343 1 year ago
the compound?
Beefcakethemity 1 year ago
And I would not classify it as a malfunction. The guns are designed to be assembled when fired which would include having the mag in it. If it stovepipes with a mag in it, like my Llama 9mm (1911 style) used to, then I would worry :) And in case you don't know, a Llama should not be depended on for self-defense unless you are a gunsmith and know how to inspect and repair one. The quality control is very low. Worst brand I ever owned. I am a Glock man now! Low maintenance, highly reliable.
petertrast 1 year ago
My understanding is that the magazine follower keeps the pressure on the bottom of the shell to help the extractor properly eject the shell. And if the mag is out, you can't get another round anyway, right? :)
petertrast 1 year ago
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RiverLandPark 1 year ago
my springfield 1911 jams like that too, but with the magazine in. any ideas why?
knightwazhere 1 year ago
@knightwazhere If it's new it's supposed to. Its called the break-in period. The recoil spring is not loose enough and it needs to be broken in.
Anonymous1226 9 months ago
1 out of 10 out of my Glock 30. great videos!
JMC225 1 year ago
1 out of 10 out of my Glock 30. great videos!
JMC225 1 year ago
Good stuff hickok. It's something that will rarely happen but it's nice to see the results.
MrCreelow 1 year ago
As I recall there were a few Semi's that had a Magazine disconnect which did not allow the weapon to fire without a magazine fully seated. I believe the Browning Hi-power was one and possibly Beretta. I have fired thousands of rounds through a Glock and cant recall that happening but I also cant recall intentionally firing the weapon without a magazine. As always very interesting.
KC2BKM 1 year ago
I'm not sure why it matters, if you have no magazine in, there's no follow up shot anyway.
beyondguitars 1 year ago
It probably has to do with the magazine spring helping to push the empty shell out.
TheMedievalMan 1 year ago
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The Glock and 1911 jam after a couple shots of round. I guess after a couple shots, the component sof the gun heat up and expand causing the jam without the support of the magazine
derek0213 1 year ago
The Glock and 1911 jam after a couple shots of round. I guess after a couple shots, the component sof the gun heat up and expand causing the jam without the support of the magazine
derek0213 1 year ago
Another cool video hickok. Have you ever shot a Springfield Xd in .40 cal?
HunterBeier 1 year ago
@HunterBeier , Check my XD videos
hickok45 1 year ago
@hickok45 do you still have one of those XD's?
ccsniper 1 year ago
@nebula25x I was talking about malfunctions. not this only 1 in the chamber thing. no1 would be dumb enough to just walk around with 1 in the pipe. Not in this group of peole anyhow.
Tenjin05 1 year ago
When you fire a pistol with a limp wrist hold alot of pistols will stovepipe. With the mag out, the pistol has less weight to it. This has same affect as if a limp hold is held. The less mass causes gun to jump and cause the malfunction. Even though your holding mag in other hand it is not weight on the gun.
pauldeleonardis 1 year ago
I understand the desire to explore such things and I might be stating the obvious here, but obviously if you have no magazine seated to feed the next round, the jamming of a spent cartridge isn't a huge deal is it?
chapmasi 1 year ago
wow it looks HOT there.
Nekronyte 1 year ago
Hope and Pray that you never have this sh*t happen when your life is on the line. Practice malfunction drills ppl.....Tap, Rack, READY!
Tenjin05 1 year ago
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Tenjin05 1 year ago
but it dosent damage ur glock right
Obeace 1 year ago
What made you shoot the gun without a mag in it in the first place ? Thanks
macdragster 1 year ago
you should try it with another double stack gun
The50011 1 year ago
@The50011 , I think I was meaning to unload it and blab at the viewer some more at that point. I realized it would be easier to just shoot the last round out instead of racking the slide.
hickok45 1 year ago
I have a Glock 17 3rd Gen and never had a problem,maybe 1 jam but thats about it.
gabebokmaUSMC 1 year ago
Funny, I tried this with my H&K P30L and it took me 25 rounds and on the 26th it jammed with a stove pipe...
f0xmuld3r 1 year ago
I've noticed my Glock 22 RTF2 does the same when fired without a mag. Most of the time the case will drop and get stuck in the mag well.
nelsonboy707 1 year ago
Why can't you hand load (Slide back, place round in the chamber, close slide) a round into a Glock (or at least the G23)?
I've seen it done on an M9 (92FS), but my slide holds partially open on the Glock when I let it down. (Or maybe it's just mine :-/)
ZuluAlfaCharlieHotel 1 year ago
@ZuluAlfaCharlieHotel different extractor shapes and functions.
A Glock may succeed to slip its extractor past the case extractor groove, but it's designed primarily to have the groove slip in from under the extractor. Sort of like a Mauser action - a controlled feed.
Berettas too have this way of functioning, but also have an extractor with a more pronounced slope on the front of the tooth - allowing the rim to slip easier under the extractor tooth.
TheHiddenPart 1 year ago
@TheHiddenPart Good to know. Thanks for the answer. Had looked the gun and parts over for quite a while, so figured it had to be some small angle thing
ZuluAlfaCharlieHotel 1 year ago
@ZuluAlfaCharlieHotel This is a good way to cause a slamfire, or at the very least a damaged extractor.
soupy572 1 year ago
@soupy572 I was very careful (read: slow) when closing the slide to avoid just that sort of thing. Guess I'll just load one from the mag, then replace it to make the 13+1
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23wassup 1 year ago
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ILL SAY IT FOR ALL.... WHEN SLIDE FALLS TO REAR POSITION IS WHEN THE EJECTOR DOES ITS JOB. THE NEXT ROUND UP HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EJECTING A SPENT ROUND.
TecTactical 1 year ago
is it bad to dry fire ur gun alot
GreatBritian100 1 year ago
Every so often you come up with information that I had never heard before over the years, but should have. It's a good thing you removed that mag with one shot left in the Gen4. What if it hadn't stove-piped? It was the "Jam Heard Around the World".
theKGB65 1 year ago
man they way you hold that glock it looks like the slide is dang close to biting you when you fire. You ever get bit? Love your range btw....awesome...
womsterr 1 year ago
why does my glock squeek, i literaly just got it today and i shot 150 rounds through it but when i got to cock it it squeeks is this normal?? or how do i make it stop??
ShadowTeam28 1 year ago
@ShadowTeam28 That squeaking you hear is the spring sliding along the barrel when you retract the slide. Perfectly normal, does not affect anything, just part of the ultra-reliable system.
theKGB65 1 year ago
@theKGB65 thank you sir, makes me feel better, i thought i might have bought a used gun.
ShadowTeam28 1 year ago
@ShadowTeam28 rub some rem oil or something on the recoil spring.
OhshitPositive 1 year ago
hows the humidity there?
smpd357sig 1 year ago
Hickok I'm a 1911 guy but I'm slowly coming over to the dark side. My next purchase will be a glock, but next year I will be buying my anniversary colt 1911. Love the videos. Thanks
dphitch 1 year ago
and the moral of the story is dont fire a fire arm without the magazine in it
lancemanchap 1 year ago
A lot of times when im done shooting, ill decide to take a shot or two at something in the distance with my 1911. Normally i keep wanting to to a 1 more type thing, so i load them directly into the chamber without the mag, so ive shot quite a bit with no mag and never had this happen. Maybe I'm just lucky!
Halvorson 1 year ago
interesting experiment... not something I really do very often but interesting.
Dietzeeeee 1 year ago
This is an interesting occurrence. But under normal circumstances, a follow-up cartridge will help a spent one out the door. You'll probably never experience this with a semi-auto that has a magazine in the gun that plays a part in keeping the slide open after the final round....unless, of course, the final round doesn't have enough powder in it to cycle the slide.
legroll 1 year ago
Cool experiment! Great setup testing it against the other guns. I think I have had similar experiences with a Glock 19 jamming like that. Glad to know it wasn't some weird fluke.
ArmedVegan 1 year ago
very helpful video. Thanks
poolboy22v 1 year ago
could you do a review or video of the fn fiveseven?
jguan 1 year ago
Most guns lock open on an empty mag... this may be why they make it that way.
Miamijunglist 1 year ago
Thanks for this on-target follow up video. I found a lot of semi-auto pistol clearing videos on different You Tube channels, but was wondering if you’ve heard any stories, or have some advice about tactical clearing for revolver jams.
1lzygy 1 year ago
I really like these types of videos its just interesting to me =)
TNPviewer 1 year ago
iv hurd about that happening to glocks alot
sardorn 1 year ago
That was a very educational vido. My conclusion is that in both types of the guns the ejector is positioned too low and that a loaded mag's upper cartridge or empty mag's follower acts on the side of an ejector on the last round. Both guns were supposed to work if magazine was lost at least as single loads with an ejector, werent't they?
yevgenz 1 year ago
wish i had your shooting range
international1256 1 year ago
It's probably been said before, but a gun jamming/malfunctioning without the magazine may be the sign of a weak/untuned ejector.
especially in 1911s, a flawed ejector may go unnoticed until there's a casein the magazine ready to pop the shell out of the ejection port, as it springs in position on the lips.
With no mag in place - and no round pushing upwards waiting for chambering- the spent case has nothing to force it out of the ejection port - again, with a flawed ejector -.
TheHiddenPart 1 year ago
@TheHiddenPart , ive said it a bunch to others but look at my comment belwo. Thats the real reason
TecTactical 1 year ago
great video. thanks for the info.
mlke007 1 year ago
I have noticed the exact same thing with my G19. It's the only time it's ever malfunctioned.
ShootersVideos 1 year ago
more reason to stick with my .357 wheelgun!
keltingr 1 year ago
The magazine is a platform to help hold the empty case up as its ejected out. With no bottom(ie no magazine) the empty cartridge is not supported and you can see in the video it sometimes ejects from the bottom. Bottom line......keep your mags in. I do like a gun that will fire without a mag.....because some will not. Peace.
aaadream 1 year ago 3
@aaadream , wrong, rounds are not pushed up by the next round. Look at my comment below.
TecTactical 1 year ago