I guess you will have to provide at least one of the New Testament authors who was not a Catholic Christian to prove your theory. The fact is they were all Catholic Christians because there were no other Christians in the first century when they were written.
Every word of the New Testament was written by Catholic Christians and the Church chose the inspired writings as Canon at the African Synods of Hippo and Carthage in the late fourth and early fifth centuries. Most reasonable people would accept the fact that the source of writing would be the best source to interpret the writing.
I love the insight that a man cannot wake up and one day say .. . . .i want to teach the gospel and start a church. They must be called of God. Since God is organized, he does not have many men breaking off of the living church doing the same, "One fold and One Shepard!" Only Holy men of God can interepret. . . .isn't it so true
I can understand you very well. Your english is wonderful! I have heard there are around 100,000 different Christian religions and in the Mormon Doctrine, it says there are around 140,000 different interpretations of the New Testament alone.
PolishAbinadi - Here is what I meant about Critical Doctrine--The fundamental principles of our religion, he observed, are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that he died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 121
stevergrantspass - "the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ". Good quote. I think this must also include testimonies of the living apostles and prophets. Without them we wouldn't even be able to understand the testimonies of the dead apostles and prophets. For example - I have friends who also believe that Jesus was resurrected but they don't believe that the whole point was so that we could be resurrected. And guess what - they can show verses to back up their claims
Is that a problem--it is straight fowardly taught in the New Testament--- 1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
stevergrantspass - I agree with you, but there are verses that they interpret in their own way so they believe that only members of their organization will be resurrected and never die. Everybody else's souls will eventually die and be dead for ever. This is just one of many examples of doctrines that are appendages to the most important doctrine of Christ's atonement and resurrection, but are still very significant. Unbaptized children going to hell is another sad example.
I know a lot of Evangelical Christians from many regions-- I do not know anyone who believes that unbaptized Children are going to hell-- it does not take a high degree of Bible reading skill to make that determination- What kind of 'Christian' are you getting this info from ? Sounds like you are talking with some people who are very extraordinary.
stevergrantspass - "Sounds like you are talking with some people who are very extraordinary."
*Actually I was talking about the majority of Christians - the Catholics who until a few years ago believed that unbaptized children will spend eternity in hell (or to be exact - in limbo which is the edge of hell). There is an old church here in Krakow that has a painting by the entrance depicting infants burning in hell as a reminder.
*"J. Witnesses" believe that human soul is mortal.
I think that he is just saying what the LDS church says. they chose to say something others belive to then prove them wrong. like the hell and childbabtism thing is an ofcourse thing that is wrong. By the way when he says that no one can interpert the scripture from Peters letter is saying: that nothing written comes from man but comes from God.
Please give me a list of Prophecy & Miracles the LDS Prophets & Apostles have givin over the last 100 years?
If a Prophet of God was "Restored", (Webster) ( to bring back to or put back into a former or original state)... then he should give public Prophecy? and that goes for an Apostle of God , He should give us " public "Signs " & "Wonders" as did all of Gods Apostles.
godstruthislove, books have been written about the wonders witnessed by the Latter-Day Saints. You may not only read about them but witness them personally, but there is certain order of things. The Bible shows us the pattern: first faith, then miracles. Only the "sign seekers" wanted miracles without faith.
Also - you should know that we have no interest in convincing you that the Lord's Church has been restored. We simply share our personal testimonies and invite you to find your own.
The sign of an apostle was the miracles done, this distinguished them from the other believers.
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The Bible teaches Jesus & the Apostles Proved to the NON BELIEVER with "Signs" Miracles" & "Wonders" & then the Teachings!
The didn't perform Miracles ON BELIEVERS alone!
Acts 2:43: Then fear came upon every soul and many signs and wonders are done through the apostles. Acts 5:12 And through he hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people.
The failure of theLDS miracle workers to duplicate the miracles of the apostles is indisputable proof that they have not received the baptismal measure of the Holy Spirit. And, in fact, no man living in the world today has been baptized in the Holy Spirit.
Paul, writing to the Ephesian saints in about A.D. 64, several years after the administration of Holy Spirit baptism to the apostles, said, "There is... one baptism" (Ephesians 4:4,5).
(Acts 2:4), healing the sick (Acts 3:6-8), raising the dead (Acts 9:36-41), preaching by direct inspiration (John 14:26), Acts 1:8; 5:12.
if any LDS Apostles have been baptized in the Holy Spirit, they should be able to express "all truth" (as did the apostles) without the necessity of any precious Bible study whatever.
(Acts 1:5). The fulfillment of this promise is recorded in the second chapter of Acts. The baptismal measure of the Holy Spirit gave the apostles power to perform various miracles: speaking in tongues
I DO have Faith in God! ! But We are talking about Apostles &Prophets & the Non believers that the Apostle had contact with??
Among the last words Jesus said to the Apostles before His ascension into heaven were: "For John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days hence"
godstruthislove, the problem with giving signs to sign seekers is that they are not interested in finding the truth, but in fighting it so just as it was the case with the Pharaoh during Moses' time - no miracle will convince them. Look at yourself - no matter what you hear or read - you criticize and ridicule. Again - no faith - no miracle
"But (Jesus) answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it..."
I can understand you lack of any LDS Prophecy & Miracles, ( because there are none) But please don't try to rewrite the Bible to make up for your lack of Truth!
The miracles Jesus and his apostles performed were not done in a corner. In some cases thousands of people were present and know beyond any doubt that Christ and the apostles had worked great miracles. So go Study the Public Nature of Biblical Miracles., instead of trying to make up meaning where there is none to be had!
godstruthislove, I find the Bible more clear than your going-around-and-stretching-this-and-omitting-that interpretation of the Bible.
Now, what do you think this statement of Jesus might mean: "An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign". Do you think He is condemning or advocating sign seeking?
Do you really think that Peter, James and other apostles were going around and doing magic tricks to impress people? How pitiful that would be.
A Restored Apostles & Prophet should meet the requirements of Gods Apostles, ( not mine) and if they can't ( LDS can't) then they are not a Restored Apostles!
God tells us to test the Teacher, & Spirit, so stop crying!
John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
godstruthislove, perhaps this will help. These are Jesus' words to his disciples right before he assented to heaven:
"And these signs shall follow them that believe..."(Mark 16:17)
Notice the word "follow".
I cannot give you any proof. All I can do is testify that God's priesthood has been restored. His servants are protected, sick are healed, prophecies are given and are fulfilled, the dead are raised, but all these things are done to bless people, not to impress the doubters.
Regardless of what you " think", Scripture tells Jesus Apostles performed Miracles in front of Thousands of people , and God tells the "True " Sign of an Apostles in Scripture ,
...........19 So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God. 20 And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them, and confirmed the word by the signs that followed. KJV
Oh, I see godstruthislove - so, when Jesus says that signs will follow those who believe He actually means that faith should follow the signs and some of his standards work with one generation and not another. I guess your logic is way over my head so thank you for your time and the loving way you tried to explain the true meaning of the scriptures to me, but since I am still on the "2+2=4" level any further discussion will be a huge waste of time for me. I hope you understand.
16 He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues
18 they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover..........
@godstruthislove So if that is true, then One Billion Muslims, One Billion Hindus, plus Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists, Animists are ALL going to hell unless they convert.....YOU send devils packing, you drink arsenic for fun, you are fluent in 8 languages and the hospital near you closed down after you laid hands on all the sick...
Again, You are adding to Jesus words! Read "(Mark 16:19) further to get the whole Message! Jesus was saying, The "Signs" were proof the Believer was of Christ because of " SIGNS THAT FOLLOW! !
A non believer could never do the signs listed in Mark 16:19) ! ! !
PolishAbinadi-I am sorry if you think I would call you a little person-- but I do not think you are a little person. A little person is one who causes division between Christians over minor issues. We can discuss the idea of the Holy Ghost and the Priesthood of believers soon it you like. But I will not argue with you just for the sake of having an argument. Thanks-Steve R
Churches most often due to a variety of cultural expression of ritual and representation of the same truths. There is diversity of expression of the same doctrine of God- and Salvation universally in Christianity. There are non-critial differences (Rom 4:14) that little people make a big deal out of though. Yet there are some Churches that do have serious problems of doctrine- (another issue). BTW Christians have God's Priesthood Authority because they have the Holy Ghost-. Thanks-
PolishAbinadi- You did a good job of representing the main idea and claim of Mormonism. That is the basis of Mormon knowledge and view of scripture. I am a former Mormon and Evangelical Christian- You do realized that your assertion that 2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.- in itself is an interpretation. Christians are also supposed to use the Holy Ghost, and overall context to interprete the Bible-- not not 'private' interpretation.
(1)stevergrantspass - "You do realized that your assertion ... in itself is an interpretation."
*Yes, one of the points I tried to make is that our - LDS interpretations are some of many interpretations in the Christian world. The question is not - which is more popular, logical or even which one makes more sense. The question is: WHICH INTERPRETATION IS GOD'S INTERPRETATION or in other words - WHICH RELIGIOUS LEADER HAS BEEN GIVEN GOD'S AUTHORITY TO INTERPRET SCRIPTURES.
PolishAbinadi- The single head of the Church of Christ is Christ. The Mission of Scripture is to testify of Him. All else is an appendage and not very critical.
stevergrantspass - "The Mission of Scripture is to testify of Him. All else is an appendage and not very critical."
*I am glad Noah didn't think so - if he did - we wouldn't be here. I am glad Moses and many others didn't tell God: "Thanks for the revelation but it isn't critical, so I am just going to ignore you."
*If what you said was true - the Bible would be a small pamphlet.
PolishAbindai--The Events of the Old Testament- even the Flood are preserved to tell us that God protects those who stand in His Grace- likewise the Exodus- the Exile accounts reveal Jesus to Us. The Old Testament sets the stage for Christ's coming- that why the Old Testament is given to us. Ultimately even Noah's story is essentially a testimony of Christ. Do you agree?
stevergrantspass - I do agree that Noah's experience is essentially a testimony of Christ. After all - he did obey Christ and so he was blessed. So were all those (not many - unfortunately) who accepted the prophet and received his word as it came from God. We try to do the same in our day - we accept Christ by receiving those He sent. They teach us correct principles and lead us. Because we have prophets we know God's will and so we don't have to argue about any point of doctrine.
(2)stevergrantspass - "Christians are also supposed to use the Holy Ghost, and overall context to interprete the Bible-- not not 'private' interpretation."
*I have no doubt many Christians from dif. churches receive inspiration from the Holy Ghost. However, notice that every church has different doctrines (and they all use the Bible). Which church interprets the Bible correctly? Simple - the one that God has established and is leading through living prophets (as it was done in biblical times).
EXCELLENT VIDEO, and yes you are a good presenter!
I especially like the emphasis on the fact that Peter said "No prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation"
proving the need for prophets of God! Just like you say, its as if this scripture is saying to all of us that we must rely on the prophets to interpret the Bible or by the power of the Holy Ghost.
mormonanswerman - You are very kind (calling me a good presenter - ha, ha!)
*"this scripture is saying to all of us that we must rely on the prophets to interpret the Bible or by the power of the Holy Ghost." - you are totally right! Sometimes I wish people would read the Bible BEFORE they hear other people's interpretation of it. It would be more obvious to them that we do need living prophets because that's one of the Bible's main messages.
..Forget the Catholic encyclopedia...go to your OWN "prophets" writings ...look deeper ...the mormon missionaries who wre SO KIND to you also perpetuated lies in your heart and concealed mANY things about their true history lest you be dissuaded..AGAIN go to this site: REAL MORMON HISTORY...you may just accept the TRUTH and abandon the false jesus that mormonism teaches for the true ONE that would NEVER sanction the false doctrines of joseph smith, brigham young, john taylor et alt...
dimtry19 - Your comments remind me of these words of one of the modern apostles - Elder Maxwell:
"If the Church were not true, our enemies would be bored rather than threatened, and acquiescent rather than anxious. HELL IS MOVED ONLY WHEN THINGS MOVE HEAVENWARD."
..the TRUE gospel was proclaimed once and for all 2000 years ago and NEVER needed to be "restored" or "another testament" but ONLY our submission and reconciling to it...God got it right the first time...man can never improve or add to it...Why open the door for Satan and false prophets by bringing false doctrines or self-delusion/ mental illness...ANYONE can claim they got a "visit from angel"...read Galatians1:8-9...i would rather trust the Bible ALONE, the SOLE scriptural authority...
dimtry19 - There is no question that "God got it right the first time". However, people made alterations and they adjusted the true Gospel so that it would fit their "needs".
This is why the Lord restored the fullness of the Gospel again. Instead of blindly believing those who spread lies about our leaders' immorality or racism - please - "Come and see" (John 1:46). Don't let the modern Pharisees convince you to start throwing rocks at God's messengers.
INDIVIDUALS make those "corruptions" when they add "another testament"..Galtians 1:8-9 is very CLEAR...Christ, ever faithful and true to His Word made a solemn vow to NEVER abandon the ONE and ONLY church he founded to the "gates of hell" (Matt.16:18-19) ...by the way they are not "lies" what i said abourt your foundong "prophets" as you claim ...your very own early church members exposed joseph smith as corrupt in their Nauvoo Expositor, referring to his "whore-dom".
.Mormons are actually the modern day pharisees .if you don't accomplish your temple requirements, get the "priesthood" and recommends OR if you were black for 148 years before 1978 you can't go to heaven...review the parable of the Publican and the Pharisee OR the story of the Thierf on Christ's right hand during HIs Crucifixion...what temple requirements did he complete to get Paradise?.Again no TRUE believer in Christ can ever justify being in the mormon church..they revere a different jesus..
dimtry19 - Again, please think about who you are following. We will never be like the Pharisees because we believe in every person's right to worship God anyhow he/she wishes to worship Him. We respect other people's believes. Even if we lived in Jesus' times and didn't accept Him, the very nature of our religion would totally prevent us from standing and screaming "Crucify Him!".
*It is not true that the Black people could not go to Heaven or that temple is a requirement. You spread lies.
You are the one spreading lies...every statement i made can be verified in your false prophets writings (D&C, book of mormon, etc) so stop the lies...You are only confirming my argument...viewers can go to REAL MORMON HISTORY on-line ..Read there the actual qutes...they can be double-checked in ANY library..AGAIN, the 1800's are NOT that long ago...We can read VERBATIM what they really said and taught..God has been using science and history to expose joseph smith as a false prophet..Praise God!.
Oh - I see why you are so confused dimtry19. You are one of those "amateur scholars" who takes everything that has been printed as evidence. Have you ever tried reading stuff written by former members of your Church?...Why not? You can find something in every library - I am sure. 8O)
*BTW - I never read anything Anti-..., because those things cannot be trusted. If I want to learn something about the Catholics - I go to the Catholic Encyclopedia. Why should I read the JW's version? Get it?
..NO confusion here...i trust in Christ and in HIs Word ALONE...you can choose Joseph Smith, following him and the muslim prophet mohammed and ALL the other false prophets who used the SAME story-line and argument to start their religions: ."...visit from an angel (gabriel/ moroni)..was told ALL the churches were false...that there was "another testament" (koran/book of mormon)...
dimtry19 - You cannot choose between accepting Peter or Paul and Jesus. If you reject Peter or any other prophet - you actually reject Jesus who sent them. Giving me choice between Jesus and Joseph Smith is manipulative. Reject Jesus in order to... accept Jesus? This makes no sense.
BTW - John did foresee the coming of Moroni and BofM: "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth..." (Revelation 14:6)
Yes, you have interpreted the Bible to say that Grace must be paid for and Jesus and Satan are your spirit brothers. The Bible never said any of these things!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Calm down - GiftoAll. Putting 13 exclamation marks won't make your point any more than weak. Here are two things you should understand:
*Your interpretation of the Bible differs from someone else's interpretation. When will you and others like you finally realize that this doesn't mean we should shout at each other.
*Yes, our prophets have revealed things that are not in the Bible. It would be quite pointless for them to come and simply repeat what has already been revealed.
Actually the Bible is clear in the affirmative on both points.
I don't know why you and most other evangelists seem to find some sort of evil in all of us being related to Satan. We are all decedents of Noah. Thus I that means you and I are related to Adolf Hitler. I suppose that makes you evil.
On the second point, Grace is free but personal responsibility is not free. God only does His part when we do our part. Just saying a written prayer just isn't enough. A prayer NOT found in the bible.
The Bible tells us that Satan was a beautiful cheribum. Wouldn't that be a different species? In following your beliefs, that could change a mammal into the brother of a fish. The Bible isn't talking about evolution connecting everyone. Man and angels are completely different creations.
GiftoAll - I will send you my private copy of the Book of Mormon if you show me one scripture in the Bible that confirms your (made up - ahem!) doctrine that people and cherubims are "different species". I will add my "Doctrine and Covenants" for a verse that confirms your (made up - ahem!) doctrine: "Man and angels are completely different creations"
I was refering to Revelations where Lucifer is called "thou fallen angel". Angel simply means messanger. Thus according to the defination, he could well have be our spirit brother. You still don't explain how believing the above is evil. I'm related to King Henery the 8th that doesn't mean I'm going to behead women I break up with.
Some would say, I prefer a Church that doesn't condemn smoking, alchohol, I mmean come on, we all know alchohol can only do good in our society. It never broke a family apart or caused me to destroy another's family by crashing my car, or be unfaithful to my spouse in a moment of drunken stupor, I mean come on.. And all that talk about cigarettes killing you, It's my temple not God's. I'm the one who has to live in it, why would God care if I smoke, and be a slave to a substance.
Great points! If what you wrote about smoking and alcohol (or "alchohol" - whatever - ha,ha!) doesn't make sense to somebody - please come to my country. You will meet a lot of great people but some of them are literally slaves to those substances that we believe the Lord has told us not to put into our bodies.
After living here for awhile you will also sense this sad resignation of Polish women to the fact that their husbands sometimes "misbehave" under the influence of alcohol.
Very good example, if everyone is a preacher of the gospel, where are the hearer's of the gospel? Jesus said even the devil is not against himself, Mark:3 23-24 "And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? 24And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
Yes - that would be a problem ("the real problem with christianity is that it's made up and God id imaginary.") - if it was true.
I just checked the awesome video on your page and I must say - you made a lot of good points. It is true that many Christians and other "religious" people use manipulative tactics, etc. But have you considered this:...
...Let's assume for a moment that God does exist and He did reveal things to mankind that will bless their lives and prepare them for the afterlife. If so - if you were Satan - wouldn't you do everything to discourage good and smart people (like you) from believing the prophets that God has sent? What's the best way to do it? Create churches that resemble true Christianity but do or teach things that are - I will put it as nicely as I can - discouraging.
Well it's interesting you should talk about TRUE christianity as if christianity as a religion, corrupted or not has any more validity than any other religion. I find the laws and doctrine of all christian churches including yours to be petty and illogical. If a God were to exist I cannot imagine why people would choose to believe he was a petty dictator more concerned with ritual than true value.
I believe in God whose only goal is the happiness of his children (all people). I don't understand why anybody would call Him a dictator. He respects our free agency - allowing us to be good or bad, etc. If you think we believe in God that is concerned with ritual - with all due respect - you don't understand how inspired ordinances - if received in a right way - help people to be better and happier. Ritual (as you call it) is only means to an end - our happiness.
I believe in God whose only goal is the happiness of his children (all people).
That is good, since the God people believe in is a reflection of themselves.
Free will implies no conditions and so free will within christianity is a lie. If you do what you want and God doesn't agree with it you are punished.
LDS ritual is extreme and, let's face it, based on freemasonry. How can you not find the idea of needing secret handshakes to get to the celestial kingdom completely absurd?
"Free will implies no conditions" - not really. There are some eternal laws that will never change. They are facts - for example - the law of gravity. You may not like it, but you cannot change it. So - loving God can tell you - be wise, don't fall from a building or "thou shall surely die". He is not giving you any conditions - He simply understands the law of gravity and He doesn't want you to get hurt. You have free agency - you can accept the law or you can jump from a building.
It's the other way around. I am convinced that some freemason rituals were "stolen" from the LDS temples (I consider the temple of Salomon - an ancient LDS temple).
I agree - "needing secret handshakes to get to the celestial kingdom" is completely absurd. We don't believe it. What the Anti-Mormons won't tell you is that our temple ordinances are full of SYMBOLISM and all Mormons know that they are not to be understood literally.
Symbolism is meaningless. That implies you belief temple ceremonies really are a waste of time, except as a way to make you feel special.
Freemason rituals were not stolen from the lds, they originate centuries before with the Knights templar. It is not a coincidence that JS was a freemason before thinking up those ceremonies.
The eternal Laws you speak of are I assume in relevance to justice. It is an interesting idea, but justice is relative, so again there is no true free will.
*Symbolism doesn't have to be meaningless. Ex. if I shook your hand - it wouldn't be meaningless. Also - is our conversation meaningless? Notice that we use symbols - letters, alphabet, etc. Every symbol means something. Also - baptism is a symbol of the death and resurrection of Christ. I believe God requires it from us - perhaps He wants us to experience it to teach us a lesson that will sink in our hearts. It all makes perfect sense - especially if you experience it.
* If the LDS Church (as it is called) is as old as the humankind (and I believe it is) the temple ceremonies are also ancient. At some point the Freemasons (or whaterver they were called back then) copied them and in a way they preserved them till the times of Joseph Smith. Then God commanded this prophet of the restoration to join this brotherhood and revealed to him the true meaning of the symbols.
(This is a simplified history to fit it within 500 digits).
Thats one of the big. problems of our day. People dont want to accept the truth and make up their own justice. The result is that they are unhappy and many keep fighting with each other. Our Creator underst. all of the laws of the Univ. and He knows that in order for us to find lasting happiness we must obey them (just as in order for you to be well you must eat healthy food, etc.). The purp. of Him giving us commandm. is not to deprive us from freed. but to make us free.
Now i don't mean to be rude, because I think you are a nice guy. The problems asociated with LDS theology are almost endless, but I don't really want to go into it with you.
If your faith in something is strong enough you will NEVER be swayed by any argument, no matter how valid. And from your answers I judge you to be too far entrenched within the reality of your belief system to be worth arguing with.
I wish you every happiness in the path you have chosen.
Thanks again for stopping by and sharing your thoughts and feelings. It's so refreshing to talk to someone who has different opinions but respects others.
One more comment though - there is a lot of garbage on the Internet (incl. YouTube) about LDS doctrine and history. Before you make up your mind about us - I hope you will go to the source. Feel free to write to me too.
PolishAbinadi: Thank you for this heartfelt video. Having been raised as a Southern Baptist, with many generations of ministers in my family, at the age of 26, I was blessed to discover the Lord's restored church, The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints. I testify that Jesus Christ is at the head of His church and that He guides His church through His called and ordained Prophets and Apostles. His priesthood authority has been restored to His church. We thank thee O'God for a Prophet.
Thank you for sharing this with us. I also didn't grow up in the Church of Jesus Christ. When I joined it (in 1991) I didn't know much about the Church but I knew two things: Joseph Smith was a true prophet and the Book of Mormon and the Bible are true. It wasn't until much later when I realized that our doctrine also makes perfect sense. Now I can't even imagine how one might claim that he accepts the Bible as scripture and at the same time reject the principle of living prophets.
"55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus estanding on the fright hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God."
I think this scripture ALONE shows the EVANGELICAL religion to be sadly mistaken.
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rickgigliotti 1 year ago
I guess you will have to provide at least one of the New Testament authors who was not a Catholic Christian to prove your theory. The fact is they were all Catholic Christians because there were no other Christians in the first century when they were written.
martlut 1 year ago
Every word of the New Testament was written by Catholic Christians and the Church chose the inspired writings as Canon at the African Synods of Hippo and Carthage in the late fourth and early fifth centuries. Most reasonable people would accept the fact that the source of writing would be the best source to interpret the writing.
martlut 1 year ago
Looks like to me that PolishAbinadi handed it to godstruthislove, but godstruth's channel name is so beguiling.
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TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
next trime, allforhim, try watchin the video than just commenting in ignorance.
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
such a good video, Abinadi
TrueSaintsLDS 2 years ago
I love the insight that a man cannot wake up and one day say .. . . .i want to teach the gospel and start a church. They must be called of God. Since God is organized, he does not have many men breaking off of the living church doing the same, "One fold and One Shepard!" Only Holy men of God can interepret. . . .isn't it so true
jacecrawford 2 years ago
I can understand you very well. Your english is wonderful! I have heard there are around 100,000 different Christian religions and in the Mormon Doctrine, it says there are around 140,000 different interpretations of the New Testament alone.
jennysjuice 3 years ago
PolishAbinadi - Here is what I meant about Critical Doctrine--The fundamental principles of our religion, he observed, are the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ, that he died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended into heaven; and all other things which pertain to our religion are only appendages to it. Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 121
Do you agree?
stevergrantspass 3 years ago
stevergrantspass - "the testimony of the Apostles and Prophets, concerning Jesus Christ". Good quote. I think this must also include testimonies of the living apostles and prophets. Without them we wouldn't even be able to understand the testimonies of the dead apostles and prophets. For example - I have friends who also believe that Jesus was resurrected but they don't believe that the whole point was so that we could be resurrected. And guess what - they can show verses to back up their claims
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
Is that a problem--it is straight fowardly taught in the New Testament--- 1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
stevergrantspass 3 years ago
stevergrantspass - I agree with you, but there are verses that they interpret in their own way so they believe that only members of their organization will be resurrected and never die. Everybody else's souls will eventually die and be dead for ever. This is just one of many examples of doctrines that are appendages to the most important doctrine of Christ's atonement and resurrection, but are still very significant. Unbaptized children going to hell is another sad example.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
I know a lot of Evangelical Christians from many regions-- I do not know anyone who believes that unbaptized Children are going to hell-- it does not take a high degree of Bible reading skill to make that determination- What kind of 'Christian' are you getting this info from ? Sounds like you are talking with some people who are very extraordinary.
stevergrantspass 3 years ago
stevergrantspass - "Sounds like you are talking with some people who are very extraordinary."
*Actually I was talking about the majority of Christians - the Catholics who until a few years ago believed that unbaptized children will spend eternity in hell (or to be exact - in limbo which is the edge of hell). There is an old church here in Krakow that has a painting by the entrance depicting infants burning in hell as a reminder.
*"J. Witnesses" believe that human soul is mortal.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
I think that he is just saying what the LDS church says. they chose to say something others belive to then prove them wrong. like the hell and childbabtism thing is an ofcourse thing that is wrong. By the way when he says that no one can interpert the scripture from Peters letter is saying: that nothing written comes from man but comes from God.
trikker01 3 years ago
PolishAbinadi ,
Please give me a list of Prophecy & Miracles the LDS Prophets & Apostles have givin over the last 100 years?
If a Prophet of God was "Restored", (Webster) ( to bring back to or put back into a former or original state)... then he should give public Prophecy? and that goes for an Apostle of God , He should give us " public "Signs " & "Wonders" as did all of Gods Apostles.
No Miracles & Prophecy, No Restoration!
List please?
godstruthislove 2 years ago
godstruthislove, books have been written about the wonders witnessed by the Latter-Day Saints. You may not only read about them but witness them personally, but there is certain order of things. The Bible shows us the pattern: first faith, then miracles. Only the "sign seekers" wanted miracles without faith.
Also - you should know that we have no interest in convincing you that the Lord's Church has been restored. We simply share our personal testimonies and invite you to find your own.
PolishAbinadi 2 years ago
Now Please show us the Prophecy, Revelation & Miracles of the LAST 100 years?
No Miracles, Prophecy & Revelation,
No Restoration!
godstruthislove 2 years ago
The sign of an apostle was the miracles done, this distinguished them from the other believers.
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The Bible teaches Jesus & the Apostles Proved to the NON BELIEVER with "Signs" Miracles" & "Wonders" & then the Teachings!
The didn't perform Miracles ON BELIEVERS alone!
Acts 2:43: Then fear came upon every soul and many signs and wonders are done through the apostles. Acts 5:12 And through he hands of the apostles many signs and wonders were done among the people.
godstruthislove 2 years ago
We need " Public "Miracles"
AND "Prophecy & Revelation" in order to be a " Restored Church !
Corinthians 14:22 declares: "Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe but to the unbelieving...
Truly the signs of an apostle were accomplished among you with all perseverance, in signs and wonders and mighty deeds.(2 Cor. 12:12)
godstruthislove 2 years ago
The failure of theLDS miracle workers to duplicate the miracles of the apostles is indisputable proof that they have not received the baptismal measure of the Holy Spirit. And, in fact, no man living in the world today has been baptized in the Holy Spirit.
Paul, writing to the Ephesian saints in about A.D. 64, several years after the administration of Holy Spirit baptism to the apostles, said, "There is... one baptism" (Ephesians 4:4,5).
godstruthislove 2 years ago
(Acts 2:4), healing the sick (Acts 3:6-8), raising the dead (Acts 9:36-41), preaching by direct inspiration (John 14:26), Acts 1:8; 5:12.
if any LDS Apostles have been baptized in the Holy Spirit, they should be able to express "all truth" (as did the apostles) without the necessity of any precious Bible study whatever.
godstruthislove 2 years ago
(Acts 1:5). The fulfillment of this promise is recorded in the second chapter of Acts. The baptismal measure of the Holy Spirit gave the apostles power to perform various miracles: speaking in tongues
godstruthislove 2 years ago
PolishAbinadi ,
I DO have Faith in God! ! But We are talking about Apostles &Prophets & the Non believers that the Apostle had contact with??
Among the last words Jesus said to the Apostles before His ascension into heaven were: "For John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized in the Holy Spirit not many days hence"
godstruthislove 2 years ago
godstruthislove, the problem with giving signs to sign seekers is that they are not interested in finding the truth, but in fighting it so just as it was the case with the Pharaoh during Moses' time - no miracle will convince them. Look at yourself - no matter what you hear or read - you criticize and ridicule. Again - no faith - no miracle
"But (Jesus) answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it..."
(Matthew 12:39)
PolishAbinadi 2 years ago
PolishAbinadi,
I can understand you lack of any LDS Prophecy & Miracles, ( because there are none) But please don't try to rewrite the Bible to make up for your lack of Truth!
We will catch You!
godstruthislove 2 years ago
Polish,
The miracles Jesus and his apostles performed were not done in a corner. In some cases thousands of people were present and know beyond any doubt that Christ and the apostles had worked great miracles. So go Study the Public Nature of Biblical Miracles., instead of trying to make up meaning where there is none to be had!
godstruthislove 2 years ago
Polish,
Truly the signs of a LDS Apostles are "sign & wonders and mighty deeds", just as Gods Apostles gave? Are LDS Apostles Exempt?
AND if so then how can they be " Restored?
1 John 4:1 - God commands us to put teachers to the test to see whether or not they speak truth. This is all we seek to do.
And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them, and confirmed the word by the signs that followed. (Mark 16:20)
godstruthislove 2 years ago
.......If Jesus was NOT talking about (All Generations) and proof of that is
2 Corinthians 12:12
"Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds".
Get it ! Read it Slow so you can understand It
godstruthislove 2 years ago
PolishAbinadi ,
No sorry, read further, Jesus was talking about " The Generation at hand, ( not all generations )
Matthew 12:39-41 KJV
41 The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with THIS generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah.
godstruthislove 2 years ago
godstruthislove, I find the Bible more clear than your going-around-and-stretching-this-and-omitting-that interpretation of the Bible.
Now, what do you think this statement of Jesus might mean: "An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign". Do you think He is condemning or advocating sign seeking?
Do you really think that Peter, James and other apostles were going around and doing magic tricks to impress people? How pitiful that would be.
PolishAbinadi 2 years ago
polish,
A Restored Apostles & Prophet should meet the requirements of Gods Apostles, ( not mine) and if they can't ( LDS can't) then they are not a Restored Apostles!
God tells us to test the Teacher, & Spirit, so stop crying!
John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
godstruthislove 2 years ago
godstruthislove, perhaps this will help. These are Jesus' words to his disciples right before he assented to heaven:
"And these signs shall follow them that believe..."(Mark 16:17)
Notice the word "follow".
I cannot give you any proof. All I can do is testify that God's priesthood has been restored. His servants are protected, sick are healed, prophecies are given and are fulfilled, the dead are raised, but all these things are done to bless people, not to impress the doubters.
PolishAbinadi 2 years ago
polish,
Regardless of what you " think", Scripture tells Jesus Apostles performed Miracles in front of Thousands of people , and God tells the "True " Sign of an Apostles in Scripture ,
Corinthians 12:12
"Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds".
Matthew 16:4,
says THIS Generation, NOT ALL GENERATION! The men of Nineveh will stand up in the judgment with this generation, and will condemn it,
Can you read?
godstruthislove 2 years ago
@godstruthislove 'THIS" generation?which generation? because this was written almost 2,000 years ago? Many generations have passed since............
NativeNewYorkGuy 2 years ago
...........19 So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God. 20 And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them, and confirmed the word by the signs that followed. KJV
CONFIRMED BY THE SIGNS THAT FOLLOW!
These Signs were PROOF they Believed in Christ l!
godstruthislove 2 years ago
Oh, I see godstruthislove - so, when Jesus says that signs will follow those who believe He actually means that faith should follow the signs and some of his standards work with one generation and not another. I guess your logic is way over my head so thank you for your time and the loving way you tried to explain the true meaning of the scriptures to me, but since I am still on the "2+2=4" level any further discussion will be a huge waste of time for me. I hope you understand.
8o)
PolishAbinadi 2 years ago
polish,
Read it ALL !
Mark 16:17)
16 He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.
17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues
18 they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover..........
godstruthislove 2 years ago
@godstruthislove So if that is true, then One Billion Muslims, One Billion Hindus, plus Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists, Animists are ALL going to hell unless they convert.....YOU send devils packing, you drink arsenic for fun, you are fluent in 8 languages and the hospital near you closed down after you laid hands on all the sick...
NativeNewYorkGuy 2 years ago
Polish, sorry
Again, You are adding to Jesus words! Read "(Mark 16:19) further to get the whole Message! Jesus was saying, The "Signs" were proof the Believer was of Christ because of " SIGNS THAT FOLLOW! !
A non believer could never do the signs listed in Mark 16:19) ! ! !
godstruthislove 2 years ago
PolishAbinadi-I am sorry if you think I would call you a little person-- but I do not think you are a little person. A little person is one who causes division between Christians over minor issues. We can discuss the idea of the Holy Ghost and the Priesthood of believers soon it you like. But I will not argue with you just for the sake of having an argument. Thanks-Steve R
stevergrantspass 3 years ago
Churches most often due to a variety of cultural expression of ritual and representation of the same truths. There is diversity of expression of the same doctrine of God- and Salvation universally in Christianity. There are non-critial differences (Rom 4:14) that little people make a big deal out of though. Yet there are some Churches that do have serious problems of doctrine- (another issue). BTW Christians have God's Priesthood Authority because they have the Holy Ghost-. Thanks-
stevergrantspass 3 years ago
stevergrantspass - "Christians have God's Priesthood Authority because they have the Holy Ghost"
*Call me a little person, but the above is a non-biblical doctrine. Actually - anti-biblical.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
PolishAbinadi- You did a good job of representing the main idea and claim of Mormonism. That is the basis of Mormon knowledge and view of scripture. I am a former Mormon and Evangelical Christian- You do realized that your assertion that 2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.- in itself is an interpretation. Christians are also supposed to use the Holy Ghost, and overall context to interprete the Bible-- not not 'private' interpretation.
stevergrantspass 3 years ago
(1)stevergrantspass - "You do realized that your assertion ... in itself is an interpretation."
*Yes, one of the points I tried to make is that our - LDS interpretations are some of many interpretations in the Christian world. The question is not - which is more popular, logical or even which one makes more sense. The question is: WHICH INTERPRETATION IS GOD'S INTERPRETATION or in other words - WHICH RELIGIOUS LEADER HAS BEEN GIVEN GOD'S AUTHORITY TO INTERPRET SCRIPTURES.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
PolishAbinadi- The single head of the Church of Christ is Christ. The Mission of Scripture is to testify of Him. All else is an appendage and not very critical.
stevergrantspass 3 years ago
stevergrantspass - "The Mission of Scripture is to testify of Him. All else is an appendage and not very critical."
*I am glad Noah didn't think so - if he did - we wouldn't be here. I am glad Moses and many others didn't tell God: "Thanks for the revelation but it isn't critical, so I am just going to ignore you."
*If what you said was true - the Bible would be a small pamphlet.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
PolishAbindai--The Events of the Old Testament- even the Flood are preserved to tell us that God protects those who stand in His Grace- likewise the Exodus- the Exile accounts reveal Jesus to Us. The Old Testament sets the stage for Christ's coming- that why the Old Testament is given to us. Ultimately even Noah's story is essentially a testimony of Christ. Do you agree?
stevergrantspass 3 years ago
stevergrantspass - I do agree that Noah's experience is essentially a testimony of Christ. After all - he did obey Christ and so he was blessed. So were all those (not many - unfortunately) who accepted the prophet and received his word as it came from God. We try to do the same in our day - we accept Christ by receiving those He sent. They teach us correct principles and lead us. Because we have prophets we know God's will and so we don't have to argue about any point of doctrine.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
(2)stevergrantspass - "Christians are also supposed to use the Holy Ghost, and overall context to interprete the Bible-- not not 'private' interpretation."
*I have no doubt many Christians from dif. churches receive inspiration from the Holy Ghost. However, notice that every church has different doctrines (and they all use the Bible). Which church interprets the Bible correctly? Simple - the one that God has established and is leading through living prophets (as it was done in biblical times).
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
EXCELLENT VIDEO, and yes you are a good presenter!
I especially like the emphasis on the fact that Peter said "No prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation"
proving the need for prophets of God! Just like you say, its as if this scripture is saying to all of us that we must rely on the prophets to interpret the Bible or by the power of the Holy Ghost.
mormonanswerman 3 years ago
mormonanswerman - You are very kind (calling me a good presenter - ha, ha!)
*"this scripture is saying to all of us that we must rely on the prophets to interpret the Bible or by the power of the Holy Ghost." - you are totally right! Sometimes I wish people would read the Bible BEFORE they hear other people's interpretation of it. It would be more obvious to them that we do need living prophets because that's one of the Bible's main messages.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
The Catholic Church founders and Leaders wrote the Bible, the traditions and practices of the Church do not contradict the bible in anyway.
itsallaboutspade 3 years ago
itsallaboutspade - "The Catholic Church founders and Leaders wrote the Bible"
*The last book of the Bible was written about 200 years before the Catholic Church was established.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
The Catholic Church did not write the bible. The Church compiled the NT. We already had a complete OT.
EasyStreet02 2 years ago
..Forget the Catholic encyclopedia...go to your OWN "prophets" writings ...look deeper ...the mormon missionaries who wre SO KIND to you also perpetuated lies in your heart and concealed mANY things about their true history lest you be dissuaded..AGAIN go to this site: REAL MORMON HISTORY...you may just accept the TRUTH and abandon the false jesus that mormonism teaches for the true ONE that would NEVER sanction the false doctrines of joseph smith, brigham young, john taylor et alt...
dimtry19 3 years ago
dimtry19 - Your comments remind me of these words of one of the modern apostles - Elder Maxwell:
"If the Church were not true, our enemies would be bored rather than threatened, and acquiescent rather than anxious. HELL IS MOVED ONLY WHEN THINGS MOVE HEAVENWARD."
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
..the TRUE gospel was proclaimed once and for all 2000 years ago and NEVER needed to be "restored" or "another testament" but ONLY our submission and reconciling to it...God got it right the first time...man can never improve or add to it...Why open the door for Satan and false prophets by bringing false doctrines or self-delusion/ mental illness...ANYONE can claim they got a "visit from angel"...read Galatians1:8-9...i would rather trust the Bible ALONE, the SOLE scriptural authority...
dimtry19 3 years ago
dimtry19 - There is no question that "God got it right the first time". However, people made alterations and they adjusted the true Gospel so that it would fit their "needs".
This is why the Lord restored the fullness of the Gospel again. Instead of blindly believing those who spread lies about our leaders' immorality or racism - please - "Come and see" (John 1:46). Don't let the modern Pharisees convince you to start throwing rocks at God's messengers.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
INDIVIDUALS make those "corruptions" when they add "another testament"..Galtians 1:8-9 is very CLEAR...Christ, ever faithful and true to His Word made a solemn vow to NEVER abandon the ONE and ONLY church he founded to the "gates of hell" (Matt.16:18-19) ...by the way they are not "lies" what i said abourt your foundong "prophets" as you claim ...your very own early church members exposed joseph smith as corrupt in their Nauvoo Expositor, referring to his "whore-dom".
dimtry19 3 years ago
.Mormons are actually the modern day pharisees .if you don't accomplish your temple requirements, get the "priesthood" and recommends OR if you were black for 148 years before 1978 you can't go to heaven...review the parable of the Publican and the Pharisee OR the story of the Thierf on Christ's right hand during HIs Crucifixion...what temple requirements did he complete to get Paradise?.Again no TRUE believer in Christ can ever justify being in the mormon church..they revere a different jesus..
dimtry19 3 years ago
dimtry19 - Again, please think about who you are following. We will never be like the Pharisees because we believe in every person's right to worship God anyhow he/she wishes to worship Him. We respect other people's believes. Even if we lived in Jesus' times and didn't accept Him, the very nature of our religion would totally prevent us from standing and screaming "Crucify Him!".
*It is not true that the Black people could not go to Heaven or that temple is a requirement. You spread lies.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
You are the one spreading lies...every statement i made can be verified in your false prophets writings (D&C, book of mormon, etc) so stop the lies...You are only confirming my argument...viewers can go to REAL MORMON HISTORY on-line ..Read there the actual qutes...they can be double-checked in ANY library..AGAIN, the 1800's are NOT that long ago...We can read VERBATIM what they really said and taught..God has been using science and history to expose joseph smith as a false prophet..Praise God!.
dimtry19 3 years ago
Oh - I see why you are so confused dimtry19. You are one of those "amateur scholars" who takes everything that has been printed as evidence. Have you ever tried reading stuff written by former members of your Church?...Why not? You can find something in every library - I am sure. 8O)
*BTW - I never read anything Anti-..., because those things cannot be trusted. If I want to learn something about the Catholics - I go to the Catholic Encyclopedia. Why should I read the JW's version? Get it?
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
..NO confusion here...i trust in Christ and in HIs Word ALONE...you can choose Joseph Smith, following him and the muslim prophet mohammed and ALL the other false prophets who used the SAME story-line and argument to start their religions: ."...visit from an angel (gabriel/ moroni)..was told ALL the churches were false...that there was "another testament" (koran/book of mormon)...
dimtry19 3 years ago
dimtry19 - You cannot choose between accepting Peter or Paul and Jesus. If you reject Peter or any other prophet - you actually reject Jesus who sent them. Giving me choice between Jesus and Joseph Smith is manipulative. Reject Jesus in order to... accept Jesus? This makes no sense.
BTW - John did foresee the coming of Moroni and BofM: "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth..." (Revelation 14:6)
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
mormons are awsome!!!! jesus christ was baptized he became mormon ha ha ha ha like it or not :)
minisight2000 3 years ago
Yes, you have interpreted the Bible to say that Grace must be paid for and Jesus and Satan are your spirit brothers. The Bible never said any of these things!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GiftoAll 3 years ago
Calm down - GiftoAll. Putting 13 exclamation marks won't make your point any more than weak. Here are two things you should understand:
*Your interpretation of the Bible differs from someone else's interpretation. When will you and others like you finally realize that this doesn't mean we should shout at each other.
*Yes, our prophets have revealed things that are not in the Bible. It would be quite pointless for them to come and simply repeat what has already been revealed.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
Actually the Bible is clear in the affirmative on both points.
I don't know why you and most other evangelists seem to find some sort of evil in all of us being related to Satan. We are all decedents of Noah. Thus I that means you and I are related to Adolf Hitler. I suppose that makes you evil.
On the second point, Grace is free but personal responsibility is not free. God only does His part when we do our part. Just saying a written prayer just isn't enough. A prayer NOT found in the bible.
Bureyeanne 3 years ago
The Bible tells us that Satan was a beautiful cheribum. Wouldn't that be a different species? In following your beliefs, that could change a mammal into the brother of a fish. The Bible isn't talking about evolution connecting everyone. Man and angels are completely different creations.
GiftoAll 3 years ago
GiftoAll - I will send you my private copy of the Book of Mormon if you show me one scripture in the Bible that confirms your (made up - ahem!) doctrine that people and cherubims are "different species". I will add my "Doctrine and Covenants" for a verse that confirms your (made up - ahem!) doctrine: "Man and angels are completely different creations"
8O)
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
I was refering to Revelations where Lucifer is called "thou fallen angel". Angel simply means messanger. Thus according to the defination, he could well have be our spirit brother. You still don't explain how believing the above is evil. I'm related to King Henery the 8th that doesn't mean I'm going to behead women I break up with.
Bureyeanne 3 years ago
Some would say, I prefer a Church that doesn't condemn smoking, alchohol, I mmean come on, we all know alchohol can only do good in our society. It never broke a family apart or caused me to destroy another's family by crashing my car, or be unfaithful to my spouse in a moment of drunken stupor, I mean come on.. And all that talk about cigarettes killing you, It's my temple not God's. I'm the one who has to live in it, why would God care if I smoke, and be a slave to a substance.
canadianbacon007 3 years ago
Meant "Alcohol", forgot how to spell it, guess that can be a good thing too
canadianbacon007 3 years ago
Great points! If what you wrote about smoking and alcohol (or "alchohol" - whatever - ha,ha!) doesn't make sense to somebody - please come to my country. You will meet a lot of great people but some of them are literally slaves to those substances that we believe the Lord has told us not to put into our bodies.
After living here for awhile you will also sense this sad resignation of Polish women to the fact that their husbands sometimes "misbehave" under the influence of alcohol.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
Very good example, if everyone is a preacher of the gospel, where are the hearer's of the gospel? Jesus said even the devil is not against himself, Mark:3 23-24 "And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? 24And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
canadianbacon007 3 years ago
Interesting video, but the real problem with christianity is that it's made up and God id imaginary.
Have a nice day :)
bonnienettles 3 years ago
Thanks for stopping by.
Yes - that would be a problem ("the real problem with christianity is that it's made up and God id imaginary.") - if it was true.
I just checked the awesome video on your page and I must say - you made a lot of good points. It is true that many Christians and other "religious" people use manipulative tactics, etc. But have you considered this:...
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
...Let's assume for a moment that God does exist and He did reveal things to mankind that will bless their lives and prepare them for the afterlife. If so - if you were Satan - wouldn't you do everything to discourage good and smart people (like you) from believing the prophets that God has sent? What's the best way to do it? Create churches that resemble true Christianity but do or teach things that are - I will put it as nicely as I can - discouraging.
What do you think?
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
Well it's interesting you should talk about TRUE christianity as if christianity as a religion, corrupted or not has any more validity than any other religion. I find the laws and doctrine of all christian churches including yours to be petty and illogical. If a God were to exist I cannot imagine why people would choose to believe he was a petty dictator more concerned with ritual than true value.
bonnienettles 3 years ago
I believe in God whose only goal is the happiness of his children (all people). I don't understand why anybody would call Him a dictator. He respects our free agency - allowing us to be good or bad, etc. If you think we believe in God that is concerned with ritual - with all due respect - you don't understand how inspired ordinances - if received in a right way - help people to be better and happier. Ritual (as you call it) is only means to an end - our happiness.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
I believe in God whose only goal is the happiness of his children (all people).
That is good, since the God people believe in is a reflection of themselves.
Free will implies no conditions and so free will within christianity is a lie. If you do what you want and God doesn't agree with it you are punished.
LDS ritual is extreme and, let's face it, based on freemasonry. How can you not find the idea of needing secret handshakes to get to the celestial kingdom completely absurd?
bonnienettles 3 years ago
"Free will implies no conditions" - not really. There are some eternal laws that will never change. They are facts - for example - the law of gravity. You may not like it, but you cannot change it. So - loving God can tell you - be wise, don't fall from a building or "thou shall surely die". He is not giving you any conditions - He simply understands the law of gravity and He doesn't want you to get hurt. You have free agency - you can accept the law or you can jump from a building.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
It's the other way around. I am convinced that some freemason rituals were "stolen" from the LDS temples (I consider the temple of Salomon - an ancient LDS temple).
I agree - "needing secret handshakes to get to the celestial kingdom" is completely absurd. We don't believe it. What the Anti-Mormons won't tell you is that our temple ordinances are full of SYMBOLISM and all Mormons know that they are not to be understood literally.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
Symbolism is meaningless. That implies you belief temple ceremonies really are a waste of time, except as a way to make you feel special.
Freemason rituals were not stolen from the lds, they originate centuries before with the Knights templar. It is not a coincidence that JS was a freemason before thinking up those ceremonies.
The eternal Laws you speak of are I assume in relevance to justice. It is an interesting idea, but justice is relative, so again there is no true free will.
bonnienettles 3 years ago
Good points, but... 8-)
*Symbolism doesn't have to be meaningless. Ex. if I shook your hand - it wouldn't be meaningless. Also - is our conversation meaningless? Notice that we use symbols - letters, alphabet, etc. Every symbol means something. Also - baptism is a symbol of the death and resurrection of Christ. I believe God requires it from us - perhaps He wants us to experience it to teach us a lesson that will sink in our hearts. It all makes perfect sense - especially if you experience it.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
Freemasonry and Joseph Smith:
* If the LDS Church (as it is called) is as old as the humankind (and I believe it is) the temple ceremonies are also ancient. At some point the Freemasons (or whaterver they were called back then) copied them and in a way they preserved them till the times of Joseph Smith. Then God commanded this prophet of the restoration to join this brotherhood and revealed to him the true meaning of the symbols.
(This is a simplified history to fit it within 500 digits).
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
"justice is rel.":
Thats one of the big. problems of our day. People dont want to accept the truth and make up their own justice. The result is that they are unhappy and many keep fighting with each other. Our Creator underst. all of the laws of the Univ. and He knows that in order for us to find lasting happiness we must obey them (just as in order for you to be well you must eat healthy food, etc.). The purp. of Him giving us commandm. is not to deprive us from freed. but to make us free.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
PolishAbinadi
Now i don't mean to be rude, because I think you are a nice guy. The problems asociated with LDS theology are almost endless, but I don't really want to go into it with you.
If your faith in something is strong enough you will NEVER be swayed by any argument, no matter how valid. And from your answers I judge you to be too far entrenched within the reality of your belief system to be worth arguing with.
I wish you every happiness in the path you have chosen.
bonnienettles 3 years ago
Fair enough.
Thanks again for stopping by and sharing your thoughts and feelings. It's so refreshing to talk to someone who has different opinions but respects others.
One more comment though - there is a lot of garbage on the Internet (incl. YouTube) about LDS doctrine and history. Before you make up your mind about us - I hope you will go to the source. Feel free to write to me too.
I wish you all the best to you too!
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
With what you just said about the "never being able to be swayed" take a look at yourself my man ! Please take a look at yourself!
jacecrawford 3 years ago
oh no I do appreciate the irony, but we all think we're right don't we? :)
bonnienettles 3 years ago
indeed i enjoy and appreciate your respect :) Thanks for the kind remarks! I think that we can agree to disagree, but we should love each other! :)
jacecrawford 3 years ago
Thank you for your clear thoughts! Its an amazing message and true. I would like to do the same in german. Greetings from germany.
AxelRun 3 years ago
Greetings from your neighbor and friend!
Great idea! Please let me know when you post it!
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
Great analogy. Thanks a lot!
And well put: "The Book of Mormon does not contradict the Bible, it only contradicts the interpretations of men and clarifies the Bible."
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
PolishAbinadi: Thank you for this heartfelt video. Having been raised as a Southern Baptist, with many generations of ministers in my family, at the age of 26, I was blessed to discover the Lord's restored church, The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-day Saints. I testify that Jesus Christ is at the head of His church and that He guides His church through His called and ordained Prophets and Apostles. His priesthood authority has been restored to His church. We thank thee O'God for a Prophet.
1ldschristian 3 years ago
Thank you for sharing this with us. I also didn't grow up in the Church of Jesus Christ. When I joined it (in 1991) I didn't know much about the Church but I knew two things: Joseph Smith was a true prophet and the Book of Mormon and the Bible are true. It wasn't until much later when I realized that our doctrine also makes perfect sense. Now I can't even imagine how one might claim that he accepts the Bible as scripture and at the same time reject the principle of living prophets.
PolishAbinadi 3 years ago
Acts 7:55-56
"55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus estanding on the fright hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God."
I think this scripture ALONE shows the EVANGELICAL religion to be sadly mistaken.
osmiolos 3 years ago