OUTRAGED!!! Why Aren't YOU???

[wisdomtrek]

"If you've got nothing to hide why are you afraid of being filmed!", specious logic but regardless IT'S YOUR LOGIC now you have the temerity to BAN people from videoing you? You don't even care anymore WHAT people think, that's how far things have degreaded.

[recyclecongress]

Its all because we're rapidly moving into a total POLICE STATE environment where the people are lowly SERFS with no rights....yet we must "obey" the brown shirts & lick their boots. Because "they" can do NO WRONG- therefore no "need" for cameras- police wouldn't be disciplined anyhow! It will be we, the slaves that are "guilty before proven innocent." Nazi cops will be given the power (by way of Bush's unconstitutional Patriot Act) to abuse us as they see fit!

[ThexKingxAKAxEliTe]

We need to go back to old times. The "higher power" people in the government should remember. It was a time where if your government didn't follow the law or weren't fair they were killed or stripped of their power.

[TheMikebo2]

I should never be photographed in public !!!!!

This infringes on my ability to do something that I don't want other people to know I did.

[roaringwaterbay]

the anti-fascists over here and the UK must join ranks to fight the new world fascist order. our freedoms will soon be completely gone. it's unbelievable what the so called free western world has become. our countries are no more than an outpost of Stalinist russia.

[247mikka]

thanks for that vid. and the music

[gadgetmandb]

I have taken many many photos of the police at work and NEVER had a problem because....

A. I always let them know what I am doing

B. I don't have to but because i have manners I always ask

C. when refused I am happy to oblige and take pictures of another scene

D. I don't seek to go out and deliberately upset folk I am photographing

[LooneyLopez]

i live in the US and i thought it was pretty bad here

[edtheball69]

New laws to protect the police daily bit they told us "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear" then they make it an offence to film them haha what do they fear.

[ELGROOVER]

Scrutiny, accountablity, and being found to be culpable?

[edtheball69]

@ELGROOVER

exactly but they are now above the law their law or I should say their compant policy known as statutes which are not lawfull only legal in a fiction worls WAKE UP people.

[ELGROOVER]

You're relating to the Freeman movement regarding statutes. I've yet to be convinced that courts are as obliging, as some claim they are, when confronted with someone who doesn't consent to play their statute game. I find it very hard to believe that people who try to evade the trap of consenting to a statute law contract aren't found to be in contempt of court then fined and/or imprisoned!? Waking up is necessary, yes, but then what? As you say, it's not like they play by their own rules.

[edtheball69]

@ELGROOVER

Yes the movement must gather momento they enforce their contracts upon us humans but each day breach the very statutes they enfoece whilst erroding our liberty and freedom.

long live the people we must unite its all an illusion check out john harris on this site.

[ELGROOVER]

John Harris's YouTube page is "thepublicdefender". It gives a link to The People's United Community (TPUC) site.

[kellyandpealee]

What happened to freedom and Liberty in the U.K?,Britain is a fascist Orwellian State..Who watches the watchers?

[ELGROOVER]

It's in process of 'restructuring' while being held in protective custody of the EU and its interests :-/

Whomever has a will to look ;-j

[EatYourChimp]

Its 1984 come to fruition.

[jupiterart]

LOL!

[LiesLikeKnives]

We need to kick this government and the banksters that run it out NOW. before this gets any worse. Our country is sick and we need to dismantle the system completely, no half measures.

The Americans are starting to wake up and to the fact that Obama is nothing more than a lying puppet working for the Fed.

So now it's our turn. Go to your MP and tell them these thing are wrong. Go with friends, video cameras and banners and hound them until they can't ignore us anymore.

[kiittyteco]

they film us with CCTV all the time, why cant I fucking well film them???!!!!

[Bokehlicious717]

I'm not British I live in the states. We don't have survalence cameras everywhere watching over us it's mostly the private businesses who want to protect their business. However photographing officers here in the states can be at times a hot topic. However there are no laws banning the filming/taking pictures of officers on public streets. Now in NY it's different because of the whole 911 thing. I can see how your government uses the whole terrorist issue to make new laws.

[opios80]

People of Britain!! Youre now in control of a stalinist regime!!! Take back your country!!!

American people got your back!!

[loveyourlabourparty]

This is a rubbish video of untruths and scaremongering i will be informing the right authorities on this page and will have it closed the video has been flagged

[ELGROOVER]

Quit your jibberjabber FOOL!!! ;-)

[gingerlives]

Authoritarian bullshit! Labour is a party founded by the people! Look how far you have moved away from that! You now serve the ruling class overlords and support their New World Order !

[loveyourlabourparty]

How dare you try to assume what our party was founded for, you are as ignorant as you are naive

the labour party governs in the interests of the people  ..this scaremongering rubbish does not interest people

[ELGROOVER]

loveyourlabourparty

I didn't think you were really being serious with your earlier comment!? Exactly wh@ scaremongering and untruths in this video are you referring to? Be specific.

[loveyourlabourparty]

The implication that the government is putting up cameras for the sole purpose of spying on people.The cameras are there to help solve crime and catch speeding motorists you fool

[kiittyteco]

somehow, I think that loveyour labourparty if from the labour party. its all over youtube, people from various organisations go around sabotaging anyone who makes videos that are for liberty. thye usually speak in the pattern that he does. first they insult the maker of the video and then they say that people are not interested. do not take this comment seriously, it is a plant.

[sim0b]

.............You have children and grandchildren, too, who will have to live in the world you are policing into existence by 'following orders' and believing the manipulative nonsense fed to you by Cabal 'training' fronts like Common Purpose. Wake up from the trance and stop building a Police State for your children and grandchildren - and everyone else.

[ELGROOVER]

"Common Purpose" needs to be fully investig@ed.

[sim0b]

This should be a reminder to those in uniform across the world who think they have 'power' that they are just pawns in the game like anyone else. You don't have the power, your uniform does, because that is an extension of the State. Those inside are just there to animate the uniform and do the bidding of those it represents. When you are useful to the Cabal they'll praise you and when you are surplus to their requirements as part of the bigger agenda they'll show you the door.

[nameofthepen]

"The Englishman is a patient creature, but at present his temper is a little inflamed and it would be as well not to try him too far. "

-Sherlock Holmes

[ELGROOVER]

Elementary etc... and pay @tention to detail....as I have oft heard said, amazing Holmes!! ;-j

[pondscum77]

GREAT STUFF MAN

[rightofreturn]

the real revolution will not be televised despite all these cameras that big brother installed.

[ELGROOVER]

rightofreturn

You know it is so....

/watch?v=_tIphS8PwOw&feature=r­elated [NOTE: YT search doesn't work!?] Have to google instead with the usual prefix...

....the revolution will put you in the drivers seat..

[sim0b]

ELGROOVER look what i found: CAMERA OBSCURA - enter the dark chamber

O wish i could of joined u all, how was it? I saw it on the davidicke website! hehe good man. Bastards accusing us of anything they wanna. I'll be waiting for GB and TB on the other side with my farmers pitch fork.

[ELGROOVER]

sim0b

"...how was it?" - It was a good g@hering of 350 or so. If there had been many more the police may have had genuine reason to disperse the congestion, so it was just right really. The light was badly glaring, otherwise it was a nice convivial affair and most worthwhile I thought.

[swellmusik]

Very interesting , I can see your point and am fully behind your centiment, (Check Technotune info) and of course wish you all the luck with your mission for freedom, Tjhis Government are indeed frightened and legislation is being abused on the pretext of health and safety gounds. This of course is bullshit and civil libertys are been eroded and will continue to be long in to the future,,,I am suprised that people have been so complacent to government policies regarding surveylance techniques !!

[swellmusik]

A revolution could well be on the way , now that people have less to do , since they lost their jobs,  THERE has been a long period of Jobsworth in this country and it has come to an end, public control is failing and the Government don`t know how to handle things anymore, religion is been used as an excuse once more by all factions as a tool to create war and hatred amongst the people...

[swellmusik]

it`s all gone a bit pear shaped if you ask me. 1984 was an understatement , its all a bit scary and mind control and brain washing are allready with us, it starts with the end of break bell at school, who knows where it will end.........

[ELGROOVER]

swellmusik

Yea...you know it! (Your 2nd & 3rd parts weren't up when I first replied) You've nailed the head with a hit.

[swellmusik]

Always knew this, sorta grew to resist mainstream, very difficult to ignore it all, the propoganda machine is unstoppable, main culprits BBC, self perpetuating media, and the unknown owners of the world (prob about 12% of population) maybe smaller, the James Bond Goldfinger types do actually exist and are somewhere laughing, Emporer Ming is real but in disguise amongst us, Iam being serious ... no really I am Thanks for making people more aware of their ultimate downfall, This is paradise

[ELGROOVER]

"Always knew this" Me2. From a very early age saw how much my 'establishment respecting' parents lo@hed their own existence & thought...well why do u put up with it? I mentioned 'Deek' before 'cos he is so on the button with it all.... it's OUR FAULT 4not taking responsibility how the world is run. Just about lost my p@ience with the 'sleeping people'. They're awake, feigning sleep, they just got no guts man, th@'s the truth! No more excuses peeps, it's YOUR/OUR fault, this st@e of affairs, ok.

[BrosaJarlen]

These cops are ordinary people when they're out of uniform. Their friends and families are ordinary people.

If they realized that they are being used as big brothers tools, they would stop the nonsense that they now perpetuate.

These cops are indocterinated, plain and simple.

[ELGROOVER]

swellmusik

Thanks for your input my friend. Just one small point ; it's OUR shared mission for freedom I would hope for us to pursure, before it is completely out of reach.

One large point. It's really not th@ surprising when you look into it. Long term conditioning through indoctrin@ion masquerading as educ@ion from schooling onwards....and through the main stream media etc...

cont...

[ELGROOVER]

..cont.

Have you checked out 'DeekJackson' and 'The FKN News. Serious in ya face humour, the message being...take responsibility!!!!!!!!! Yea..

Keep on keeping on....making it groovey, funky and full of soul ☺

[ELGROOVER]

?persure? - pursue

[ELGROOVER]

Tomorrow, Monday 16th 11am @ Scotland Yard - Mass Photo Event. Those who can reach it, do come along and take some pictures.

Please forward/share, thanks ☺ ; j

[ELGROOVER]

Yes, it's an 'eleventh hour' event all right by cracky, so it is to be sure ; the Witchfinders General hour approaches.

[ThunderDog97]

5 Star Video

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[ELGROOVER]

Thanks 'TD' - People had better start doing some 5* thinking leading to 5* action and be quick about it....before we collapse into a political black hole.

[ThunderDog97]

Hi elgroover;

I think there are going to be revolutions against the criminal governments in almost all countries. I think this is inevitable since the creation of the world banking system and it's obvious ultimate demise. The banking system being nothing but a giant ponzi scam was going to "cash" out sooner of later.

--

Real Change IS coming....

but it won't be pretty as the elite try to hold on to their false powers.

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Peace and Freedom for the innocent

Justice for the criminals

[ELGROOVER]

Yo ThunderDog97,

There is some willingness to resist the 'crim. govs.' As to whether th@ will ever amount to any more than whining about the price of useless stuff , or not being able to afford a holiday @ Disney World, remains to be seen.

An inner and outer revolution in perceived values could be nice - Corporate Law and MP's conflict of interests between serving their constituents and their own interests would be two other good places to start.

[sim0b]

Good point slackerslayer. i'll do that.

[ELGROOVER]

nopember

Th@'s a bit of good news. The Scots have usually seemed more politically sussed than our hopeless shower inhabiting en gland land.

Georgie G. tries to liven things up here but where is his 'Respect' party @ ? Nowhere...unfortun@ely. Nothing much else visible as a viable altern@ive either?

I guess it wasn't so easy to brainwash the less well off Venezuelan and Bolivian peoples, who I imagine haven't been cosseted anything like people here have been for so long and made so malleable.

[neptuneey]

Yes the Tory smugglers aided by Labour working class betrayers, brazen & bold, day after day new ways to assist the fascist takeover, care not of public opinions or protests, nothing will deter them. Wait till they get a load of us lot..

one step ahead, some great comments, Any Brits with functioning cells left, could perhaps visit British Constitution Group for some enlightenment.

Yes we have a constitution too, who knew that cus i surely didn't..

[ELGROOVER]

neptuneey

The l@test demonising of the of the general public comes by way of a 'newspeak' phrase th@ I haven't heard before, referring to "public protest" as "domestic extremism" ! !

Many thanks to 'neptuneey' for bringing to light.....

~ The British Constitution Group ~

.....I urge anyone, anywhere, looking for possibilities of opposition to the removal of our freedoms, liberties, civil rights etc.. to check it out.

[ Th@'s another one for the sidebar↗ I think ]

[ManufacturedThoughts]

I think its time I convert to Islam, and fight British Fascism.

[ELGROOVER]

ManufacturedThoughts

eerrmm...aaah....well....lol..­..it's a thought!

[ManufacturedThoughts]

I' am a atheist so I could not convert to any man made religion. Religion & Government ideologies designed to suppress and eliminate opposition of the Ultra-Rich and Monarchy Class of society.

[ELGROOVER]

Fairness, equal rights, a decent standard of living and justice for all. Wh@ a nightmare scenario th@ must be for the Next Wh@ever Order elite freaks.

[peyotero22]

looks like my beloved austin tx will soon be doing the same. i wonder if alex jones is gonna confront art alsivado. it was on the news, mainstream

[ELGROOVER]

peyotero22

Alex Jones! Isn't he the new Bernard Braden? ;·)

[ austin tx - ? oh yea...Texas..for a moment I thought you were talking about an old british car..lol lol ] ☺

[sim0b]

Thanks Elgroover. I wish i could join you at scotland yard but ive lost my car due to the recession. Its a long way from me. Millions would join you if only they were aware of all of this. Make sure you take vids/pics of the event, and back it all up. Im with you mate. Ive subscribed to channels but never recieve a post or anything! Do u know whats happening?

[ELGROOVER]

peyotero22

I don't know if it's true, but it's been said th@ Alex Jones avoids tackling the subject of AIPAC ?

When I've found some convincing material of Alex's th@ seriously questions the AIPAC situ@ion, I may then be a lot less wary of him.

However, th@ said, I loved the interview he gave with Russell Means ; th@ was superb ☺

[peyotero22]

yeah ive heard parts of his guests trying to expose the jesuits but he completely ignores them then veers on to another subject. he even did that to russel means. when he brings up the zionists being in high places, AJ quickly interrupts him then goes to say he doesnt want to, bla bla bla, THE NATIVE AMERICANS. i think it is part 2 or 3 and you can plainly see RM getting pissed off.

i dont know anymore. i just put my faith in Creator

[pebruary]

In the UK we find that Brown and Cameron are Zionists. The terrorists are linked to the security services and the Zionists. People should vote for the people who are NOT Labour or Conservarive or friends of Israel.

[pebruary]

When we look at any terrorist incident we find traces of the CIA and its friends. It has been reported that alleged Mumbai terrorist Kasab has actually been in Indian custody since 2006. The gunmen in Mumbai, according to BBC and Guardian reports, were mainly white men. Suspect Dawood Ibrahim has links to the CIA, to Dubai and to Nepal, where Kasab was reportedly picked up in 2006.

[pebruary]

The police in the UK are discredited. It looks like the police faked the evidence in the Lockerbie Bomb trial. The police probably knew de Menezes was innocent when they shot him.

[ELGROOVER]

pebruary

"People should vote for the people who are NOT Labour or Conservarive or friends of Israel."

Yes, but how are the elector@e able to see any altern@ive, when the mainstream zionist media block or ridicule any opposition to the 2/3 party 'no choice democr@ic dict@ors' ?

In this situ@ion, I don't see any likelihood of change coming about by ballot voting.

[t4705mb6]

Fascists don't like being fimed in action. People might get the right idea.

[ELGROOVER]

t4705mb6

Sorry 'mb', didn't mean to downngrade your comment...pardon my clumsy fingers. +1

[t4705mb6]

Pardon mine as well. I meant "filmed".

Not to worry! Same book & same page.

[ELGROOVER]

Yea... no w☺rries.............apart from the post subject @ hand, the price of fish and scores of other m@ters to boot! lol ☺

[SlaveStorm]

Ya, sell everyone camera phones then through them in jail for using em.

[ELGROOVER]

SlaveStorm

Not exactly, more like thrown in jail for not using them how we're told to use them. Prisions are an expanding and lucr@ive business - see the 'link' on my channel page profile description th@ I called "Interested in 'affordable housing in Europe' ?".

[PollenB]

It will soon be an offence to have eyes and ears to see erstwhile policemen and spooks and members of the terrorist military.

[ELGROOVER]

PollenB

Well it is already really, isn't it? I mean, wh@ good is it having eyes and ears if we can't record wh@ we see and hear with them, and to share th@ with others?

[ELGROOVER]

SlackerSlayer

Just had a read of th@ Wiki page. There have been some heavy actions. I have mixed feelings on the subject of SHAC. Seems there's a lot more gone on than their supporters like to let on.

I don't know why you're still here, but it's good th@ you are! ☺ ~ "If you make peaceful revolution impossible, you make violent revolution inevitable." ~ John F. Kennedy.

[ceomeye]

what does this mean? No cams anymore or they want to ban cams..?

[ELGROOVER]

ceomeye

It's about the further erosion of civil liberties, like not being allowed to record the police carrying out their duties if they don't want you to. It's about viewing any member of the public as a potential terrorist aide without any evidence or justific@ion.

Check out the side bar info and explore the 'links' there as well. Thanks for your interest and you should be interested ; ultim@ely this affects everyone.

[speciesamused]

I am sitting here thinking Big Brother's Watching.

There it is a 2:35. I remember when they started doing this over there. There was not much said by the people. I was worried. Still am about the ones we have popping up here.

Just starting on the major roads here. Of course I live in a red state too. Oh what will our children have to endure? Doing what I can. One love.

[MikeyMcCrashCap]

The NEW WORLD ORDER is here.

[TodMcInerney]

***** and shared

[ellhow]

Different people are outraged by different things. Personally what outrages me at the moment is that the UK Government is offering to take Guantanamo terrorists but won't let a dutch politician into the country to speak.

[ELGROOVER]

ellhow

This is about losing the right to record wh@ our public servants do in the course of their duties. It could have an enormous effect and many ramific@ions across a huge spectrum of issues. It's the thin edge of the wedge of a high degree of censorship. Check out the sidebar links for some examples.

I'm more outraged @ the possiblity of not being able to record and share wh@ I see in public right in front of my eyes, than I am about other more distant (though still important) m@ters.

[ellhow]

With labour it seems like these important laws are pushed through without much ado. Maybe they realize they are not going to be there much longer.

[ELGROOVER]

ellhow

They never go away, in government or not they do very nicely, mostly being captains of industry or the like. The perpetu@ion of the two (or three) party illusion continues. Really, there is no choice between them, especially since socialism became damned ; Labour have moved so far to the right with many of their policies. It's a corpor@e dict@orship th@ rules over the political parties. I can't see how th@ will change while people are willing to keep indulging in mindless consumerism?

[ELGROOVER]

SlackerSlayer

I agree with your analogy.

In answer to your question......it is claimed th@ the SHAC 7 did even less than your example of, "you should go out and paint over the cameras lenses...."

Google SHAC 7 .......see wh@ you think of th@!?

cont...

[ELGROOVER]

..cont.

There is no 'law' any more, no 'justice' ; just pure 'enforcement of control' by any means necessary.

Folks @ home 'sleeping', w@ching telly and generally 'monging out' are not keeping up with the emerging Police State and erosion of civil liberties. They see on tv people arrested by police and think, "well, if they're in trouble with the police then these people must be doing something wrong, mustn't they? "

[patriotwarrior2]

I am outraged! They are attempting to eliminate evidence that they are being abusive and violating people's rights - no photos = no proof. They have already outlawed guns. The NWO is alive and spreading. If it happens in the UK it could happen in the US. Death the the New World Order!

Patriots Unite!

[ELGROOVER]

AryanNobility

Yup, things could always be worse, and then it turns out th@ they usually are....

"It's life Jim, but not as we know it."

[nameofthepen]

EL - I'm wondering if a couple contact avenues to the appropriate tinpot politicians there in the sidebar would invite folks of every country to deliver their opinion on this Orwellian scam?

[mrglazedonut2u]

Hey Nom, thanks for sharing this!! Peace2U!!

[ELGROOVER]

Nom - I'll see wh@ I can find in the next few days....anyone got an idea of a suitable link address to this end? If so, PM it to me and I'll include it in the sidebar info, thanks.

[ELGROOVER]

Nom - I wonder if the 'Greens' have the means? I was ch@ting with one of their party in town today.....I'll find a link for them to include in the sidebar.

I see little point in approaching the 'big two' parties about this or anything else. They just go through the same old motions and every idea given to them is turned to excrement and flushed out to sea.

[nameofthepen]

EL - I suppose it would be worth a try.

However, the more I learn, the more I see, I become more and more convinced that ALL APPARENT "OPPOSITION" is secretly controlled by the enemy.

I could list historical example after historical example, but I won't here.

But again, like I said, it could be worth a try. But I would almost say instead to run for a seat in the GP yourself, get elected, and then stay true to your own honor and be the change we want to see...

[ELGROOVER]

Nom - I've decided NOT to put up the 'Green' link.

Still reading my way through their manifesto. (Roxy Musics' is far simpler and superior ☺).

They have a lot of faith with the U.N. which I find worrying. They *appear* to be making the right noises concerning the E.C. but I am not @ all convinced by them, nor by the credentials (or lack of them) of Caroline Lucas, a local candit@e in Brighton (who maybe stands the best chance of being the first Green Party M.P.)

OMRLP - I'd run for them!

[nameofthepen]

Friends, this needs to be aggressively shared. This has to do with all of us, really.

These acts of Rothchild tyranny get beta-tested in England, and then exported to the other countries.

[anutarasamyat]

This is stunningly easy to defeat...and could actually start a new type of recording vlogger. The hidden camera would not only put the Steroidal-psychocops at their leisure while we record them doing the wild thing on some old ladies head...could be the next step up the ladder of journalism. What say you guys and gals?

[ELGROOVER]

anutarasamyat

Good try but.....check back to one of my replies to 'Nom' about this idea.

~ "Nice idea about surreptitious picture taking but th@'s been covered by another angle - Schedule 7 of the Bill....etc...etc..." ~

They know they're losing their grip, the 'paper' of the false economy can't hide the cracks any longer, so the fist is clenching tighter.

[anutarasamyat]

ahhhhhh...we're fucked.

[ELGROOVER]

anutarasamyat

Yea....you could say 'raped' but for the fact th@ there appears to be a general passive consent and no convincing active struggle from those getting screwed. People have been repe@edly told so often it's meant to hurt and is good for them, th@ they believe it!? By not clearly saying NO, they're just asking for it....and they're getting it ; well and truly shafted!!

[anutarasamyat]

well, having listened to Paytriot (no mistake) radio it seems to have been emasculated to the point where it is just a litany of 'oh gawd, look what they've done, or are doing to us now'. Now here's another horror story for you and guess what? we just happen to have the antidote right here for sale. Everyone calls in to commiserate with each other and purchase some more 'hunker-down' toys and the whole process is repeated ad nauseum. Everyone's waiting for some one else to make the first move.

[ELGROOVER]

anutarasamyat

I've made the same observ@ions and we're all a part of the "oh gawd & hunker-down" situ's to some degree.

"Everyone's waiting for some one else to make the first move."

'MUTINY' is a very serious action with grave consequences if unsuccessful.

[ELGROOVER]

Yup, we exported the 'Criminal Justice System'. Now it's just a plain 'Criminal System' in oper@ion.

[speciesamused]

Thank you and I am awake. One-

[ELGROOVER]

speciesamused - Yup, me too. Love

[Quandary121]

In reply to your question Elgroover

This was mentioned is some photography mag I was reading the other day. Out in public you are allowed to photograph whatever you want. IIRC (and IANAL), you have no legal right to privacy in the UK. Obviously trespassing is something to be careful of.

The mag did mention that you should be "sensitive" if photographing children. I.e. don't look like a paedo or you might get beaten up ;)

[ELGROOVER]

Quandary121

In the pdf. I mentioned (I'll add it to the sidebar info) it covers some of the long standing 'Official Secrets Act', and what may not be allowed to be photographed. The photographer taking pictures of a ship in Cleveland could've been nicked just on th@ Act.

cont...

[ELGROOVER]

..cont.

You have no legal right to privacy in the UK...in a public place!! Successful prosecutions of being photographed in public revolve around proving 'harrassment'. You have a right not to be photographed on private property ; @ least this is wh@ I understand. If anyone knows differently, please chip in. The law is different in regards to commercial photography too, whereby you need permission (@ a price) to photograph in a public park for example.

[sim0b]

So they can use CCTV on us without permission, but we cant photograph them or they can us harrassment as a reason to win in court? WTF? When i get caught taking pics of the cops, i'll say "what the hell are you on about mate." Do you think that they will ban the production of cameras etc then ????

[sim0b]

use*

[ELGROOVER]

sim0b

They couldn't use 'harrassment'. Harrassment is essentially behaviour that causes another person alarm or distress & it refers to a course of conduct, not a single incident. (A "course of conduct" means @ least 2 occasions.)

Th@'s pretty much irrelevant now with this new part of the 'counter-terrorism act' th@'s made it much easier for them 2 prevent themselves being recorded.

lol They still need us buying stuff, they just need more laws 2 tell us how we can & can't use wh@ever we have

[Quandary121]

cool thankx i have not had the chance to look it over fully but trust me i will i did follow the other links in the sidebar that flipped into some good info about this very subject

[1966BOBBY]

Excellent work Mr Groover - this is some serious s***. -I didn't even know about this - quelle suprise, no mention on the mainstream media. I think we need to get creative, start staging creative acts of resistance. i.e. with the recent ruling on banning any slogan that might be deemed as provocative, I thought wear a t-shirt emblazoned with the slogan: 'I support the governments' on-going genocide in Iraq and Afghanistan!' Surely you can't be done for supporting government policy!!!!

[ELGROOVER]

Thank you '66, it's real bad doings being done, no mistake. Any cre@ive acts of resistance should be applauded, supported & replic@ed. All should be aware though, th@ there is little justice to be had any more. Even when within the law, if they want you done, you will be done. Activists oper@ing within the law still get fitted up. The conviction and sentencing of the SHAC 7 in Winchester is another nail in the coffin of the publics right to voice their anger and dissent against corporate greed.

[CNN911Fakes]

I got 2 shares and I have to make another comment;

Everyone carry and use your cameras constantly. Have a plan for passing the memory card to someone without a camera with a secondary pass also.

Defend against those who would enslave us - there is only one group of terrorists; the rothschilds and every one who works for them!

[nameofthepen]

Well-spoken, CNN911Fakes!

[ELGROOVER]

CNN911Fakes

Even if you get to take the pictures th@ they don't want you to....Schedule 7 of the Bill applies this amendment to internet service providers and web hosting services. This means they will have a legal duty to remove all sites perceived to fall under this offence, and has provisions for use at home and abroad.

This is seriously bad news :·( There's some nasty new policing duties in the pipeline for UK ISP's in forthcoming legistl@ion. It's all part of closing down our networking.

[CNN911Fakes]

ELGROOVER

Doesn't matter. We still have to do it. To cooperate with tyranny and criminality in government is to condone it.

Back to leaflets!

[ELGROOVER]

"Back to leaflets!"

Leaflets would have to be st@e approved as they're dangerous & the stuff of terrorists ; really, you could give someone a nasty paper-cut.

Message in a bottle? The coast guard will be onto it & @ 03:41 shows wh@ the police do with the mail!! lol

"To cooperate with tyranny and criminality in government is to condone it." Well said, this is right and the corpor@e greed th@ governs the government must be opposed if you want to be more than merely 'product' such as livestock.

[CNN911Fakes]

Since the only terrorists are the folks watching thru the street cameras, we have a problem.

Imagine - no guns, no cameras.

Don't accept it. ps. we need to start doing instant uploads rather than saving on cards.

Of course the terrorists will use electronic interference to try to stop that also.

Bastards!

[Quandary121]

Quote "Anybody with a concern about a specific incident should raise the matter with the chief constable of the relevant force.'"

And where has that ever got anybody in the past like when reporting police violence or such like its like having to ask the murderer to stop killing people pathetic

[Quandary121]

Each situation will be different and it would be an operational matter for the officer concerned as to what action if any should be taken in respect of those taking photographs. Anybody with a concern about a specific incident should raise the matter with the chief constable of the relevant force.'

[Quandary121]

There are no legal restrictions on photography in public places. However, the law applies to photographers as it does to anybody else in a public place. So there may be situations in which the taking of photographs may cause or lead to public order situations or raise security considerations,' Downing Street says.

[Quandary121]

The incident came less than a week after it was revealed that an amateur photographer was stopped in Cleveland by police officers when taking pictures of ships. The photographer was asked if he had any terrorism connections and told that his details would be kept on file.

[Quandary121]

Tallis, a London-based photographer, was covering the anti-BBC protest on Saturday 24 January when he was approached by a police officer. Tallis had just taken a picture of the officer, who then asked to see the picture. The photographer refused, arguing that, as a press photographer, he had a right to take pictures of police officers.

[Quandary121]

According to Tallis, the officer then tried to take the camera away. Before giving up, the officer said that Tallis 'shouldn't have taken that photo, you were intimidating me'. The incident was caught on camera by photojournalist Marc Vallee.

[ELGROOVER]

It is illegal to harrass another person and taking photographs could amount to harrassment. This Isn't to say that someone could claim they were being harrassed just because they were being photographed when they didn't want to be. Harrassment is essentially behaviour that causes another person alarm or distress and it refers to a course of conduct, not a single incident. (A "course of conduct" means at least two occasions.)

cont...

[ELGROOVER]

..cont.

A policeman/woman who genuinely feels intimidated by being photographed obviously isn't up to the job and should consider library work or some other more genial profession.

[Quandary121]

Not in a public place it is not.!

[sim0b]

yes i'll just say its a public place and ive paid my council taxes. I cant believe this is happening. wtf? democracy? what about cctv??? post this on my facebook.

[Quandary121]

Are you being flippant towards me.?

im just stating the law as it stands i do not condone the polices reaction whatever it will be but i can guess a long night in the cells will be part of there answer when quoting the law

[sim0b]

no you idiot!!! Are you paranoid? Im outraged at this illegal law. whats the excuse forthis so called national security meassure?

[Quandary121]

For your information i am not a idiot or paranoid

do try to make more seance when you post a reply to someone you may know what you mean in your head other do not neither are the clairvoyant that's why they invented the English written language

[ELGROOVER]

....both of you, please.

[ELGROOVER]

Yep, no need for name calling is there....but you were a bit 'touchy'...anyway....how about some show of unity here, we are in agreement th@ these are more desper@e measures from a government th@ sees its people as the enemy? Stay focused peeps ☺

[ELGROOVER]

Pack it in.....

[ELGROOVER]

sim0b

Glad to know you think this sucks. This should be headline news.....oh, didn't you know...lol....we're all potential terrorists now!

We know who the real terrorists are.....

[ELGROOVER]

Quandry121

You ask 'si0b',

"Are you being flippant towards me.?"

Eh? They're just stating it's a public place and they've paid their council taxes?? I don't think 'sim0b' or anyone else is disagreeing with you in not condoning the polices action. Fight the power (not each other ☺)

[Quandary121]

My apologizes too you and our friend

sim0b i have had a hard time to day with shills and maybe im a bit uptight and should take a rest

once more i apologize.

did i mention 5***** lol

[ELGROOVER]

Quandary121

Th@'s nice, we do need to be rallying together ☺ Yup, it's hard work th@ sometimes runs us ragged and gets to us all on occasions...I know th@!!

No, you didn't mention the *****'s lol, cheers!!

[sim0b]

No worries mate, we all have them days. Yes 5 stars defo. I'm fuming at this new illegal law. Why hasnt it been on the news? Ive put some of this info on my channel. Im also going to put it on my facebook page for friends etc to see. I origianlly found this info on the davidicke-latest headlines website. Check it. Ive been trying to spread it around to people. Join me? All they seem to care about though is the xfactor and topgear! (TV). PS How do i do this..☺?

[Quandary121]

take a look at the comment i posted on your channel hope that helps Q121

[nameofthepen]

sim0b - bravo for posting the news on your profile!

Hey, whatcha think about also putting this video in your Favorites, so your channel visitors can see it and want to watch it, too? :-)

[sim0b]

THANKS nameofthepen, ELGROOVER and Quandary121, I dont want to use to much space on this page so i'll use one comment box! Yes i have faved, rated & am going to promote this on my Facebook page. I feel like im the only person in my town at least, who has actually realised we are starting to live in an Orwellian state! I feel alone on this. Feel as if i gotta make people aware as we do. Keep in touch.

[ELGROOVER]

sim0b

You take as much page space as you like here, if you have more points to make or questions to ask, go ahead, it's wh@ this is here for!

Thanks for including this subject on your profile page and for spreading the word of this and other abuses of civil liberties by the authorities.

I'll be @ New Scotland Yard 11am prompt this Monday 16th for the 'mass photo event'. As for where I'll be in the afternoon, who can say!? lol Keep on keeping on....☺

[nameofthepen]

BRAVO!!!

ELGROOVER - nice vid!

That said, I can't believe what I just read in the sidebar. This looks bad, my friend. It must be vehemently resisted by masses of people, or it will be a HUGE setback for all.

Thanks for doing this. Fived, faved, shared!

[ELGROOVER]

Thanks Nom ☺

I don't think many people here know this is going on? It's outrageous....I don't know wh@ else to say......? I'm feeling pretty miserable about this....seems people are zombified.

[nameofthepen]

I understand!

Well, let's work at getting this out there more than just once. Sometimes it takes a couple sends to communicate the urgency...

And I wonder where one would go to buy those nifty little miniature cameras with the button lenses that can be stuck on the nose piece of your glasses, or on your collar, etc.? Heh, heh, heh...

[nameofthepen]

PS - Remember: When cameras are outlawed, only outlaws will have cameras!

[ELGROOVER]

Nice idea about surreptitious picture taking but th@'s been covered by another angle - Schedule 7 of the Bill applies this amendment to internet service providers and web hosting services. This means they will have a legal duty to remove all sites perceived to fall under this offence, and has provisions for use at home and abroad.

cont...

[ELGROOVER]

..cont.

It is unclear what information will be classed as useful to terrorists, but due to this ambiguous wording, the Bill has implications for bloggers, journalists, photographers, activists and anyone who values freedom of speech. Check out the 'fitwatch' link in the sidebar.

[nameofthepen]

Hey, EL - "ambiguous wording", "classified as useful to terrorists".

David Icke calls it the "Totalitarian Tip-toe".

This is bad. I'll do another share, my friend.

[Quandary121]

Hey NOM are you being good..?

WELL CUT IT OUT WILL YA

ha ha ha ha Gotcha

[sim0b]

☺

[ELGROOVER]

Nom - yea...the "Totalitarian Tip-toe". How long before it becomes a total boot-stomp?

Thanks again for putting out the info.

[Quandary121]

Thankx for the heads up about this oneNom your a star mate not a pentagram LOL