okay im sorry what if people do not believe that god is their creator so maybe that is invalid and let me show you to the eighth amendment, its a great read
You are correct. Healthcare, Education, housing, and a Sex-Change are not rights. Mostly because the Declaration of Independence was drafted in 1776 you stupid f**k. There was no such thing as a healthcare system or a sex-change. P.S. the Declaration was not a Constitution! It was a letter to King George III stating how the colonists were tired of being oppressed by King George. Did you listen to history class or sit there humming while waiting for lunch?
Which flavor of god are we to predicate the govt on. Shall it be allah? jehova? jesus? is it to be the christian god? Which one of the 37000 denominations of that god will it be? Who will decide and how?
this country was founded with christian beliefs. that ment being tolerant of each other. which is why we have the freedom of free speech and freedom to worship as you please. if you don't like that move to a country where they tell you what to believe and frce into a religion
I wish chocolate cupcakes WERE rights. Fuck yeah, I'd love chocolate cupcakes. Also, our rights come from liberties that the Founding Fathers wanted everyone to have; to escape from religious and taxation tyranny. Oh and if you think that religion is apart of our country's founding or its' laws, maybe you should look up the "Treaty of Tripoli". Everything that has "In god we trust" on it was enacted by the Knights of Columbus and other religious groups. Not the Founding Fathers, you idiots.
Both states and the Church are composed of people. Being part of a state is a legal status. Being part of the Church (God being indivisible, has but one Mystical Body) is a spiritual status. The 1rst Amendment forbids adoption of an official Church by the fed govt. It also forbids interference by the fed govt in state official Churches. Connecticut was officially Congregationalist and publicly funded its state Church. Incorporation through the 14th Amendment is Warren Court judicial legislation.
@chiefkyle1 To which "Creator" (note the capital c) does Jefferson refer to in our Declaration of Independence (which he authored & signed)? Where in the Constitution does one find the words, "separation of Church (it's capitalized) and state"? Does one find it in the 1rst Amendment? Are there implied laws? To which "Supreme Judge" does Jefferson refer to in the Declaration? To whose "divine providence" does he refer? The Declaration is an Act of Congress, law of the land. Should it be redacted?
@viriatoist When Jefferson is speaking of the Creator, he is speaking of his own personal god. But it was he who wanted Separation of Church and State because he knew religious leaders were stupid and greedy. He told everyone, including his own nephew, to question everything, including their religious beliefs. Oh and Jefferson laughed at Christianity; he thought it was bullshit.
@SkelanimalKitteh A man who believed in JHVH would not say this “Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear”.
Also he said the opposite he did believe in Jesus, in fact Jefferson claimed Jesus of Nazareth was the greatest moral philosopher ever to live. He however did NOT believe in JHVH nor any other personal god.
@chiefkyle1 Jefferson lived in Paris when the Constitutional Convention convened. He had nothing to do with it and, favoring the existing confederacy under the Articles of Confederation (our first constitution) and the sovereignty the culturally distinct states possessed, he vociferously opposed the Federalist Party and disowned the federalist objectives of its constitutional convention. Nothing in our Constitution was authored by or signed onto by Jefferson. No Democratic-Republican signed it.
Religion/God is the biggest scam. I cant believe people still subscribe themselfs to these archiac myths. We humans need to relinquish religion for the sake of our species.
Right on Molotov! If rights do not come from God, where DO they come from?? The truth that our rights come from God is indeed self-evident. It makes so much sense! Eliminate God from government and you get what? Obama the Supreme Jackass of the Land. Oh give me Reagan or Lincoln or Washington any day!
I love these videos! They are so politically incorrect--it's refreshing! Keep them coming! It's almost as entertaining to read the angry comments of the viewers.
ehem, if what you believe is true, then it would say "all men are created equal, except for gays and liberals, they are wrong, and don't deserve happiness." and if this was before emancipation I would put money to say you would have had no problems with adding Black people to the list either.
Natural Law is the basis of these rights, because they come from the nature of things. I don't like the Enlightenment, but these rights can be found PROPERLY over the NATURAL LAW, which is present in all humanity. A Government that denies Natural Law do have a tendency to self-destruction.
@pedrohqb Here Here!! I am a Gun carrying war vet "right-wing" Atheist. I have seen what religious laws do to a country's people. The Middle East is on fire right now over that shitty sandpaper "holy land".
@weecraig898 I'm not the one who made the claim in the first place! The guy in the video did... When it comes to proving gods existence, in any case, it should be the ones who say they believe who should have to provide evidence which points to their god... And by asking me how I knew, any reasonable person would see that as a challenge, clearly, you stand on an opposite view point. Now, please prove your god exists ;)
But the US constitution does not mention god. The declaration has nothing to do with our current government. None of the 10 commandments are even looked at sideways in the constitution. Even the ones most basic in our legal system, like theft and murder.
Actually you don't. US rights largely come from the work of John Locke, who critiqued Thomas Hobbes quite a bit (Hobbes who suggested we dont have rights because god put Kings in charge of us thus we must subvert to them). And so, Locke was suggesting that we get our rights from nature, but we LOSE many of those rights as we agree to enter a society.
NOT to mention that 10th amendment covers anything not mentioned in the constitution and it's protection. READ, oh but wait...republicans cant.
Whatever the "creator" may be is irrelevant. The constitution is just asserting that we are all on this earth, and we all have a common goal and claim common heritage. The creator could be a fucking microwave, the point is, the fact that we are all here and survivng makes it self evident that we all have rights.
The last time I checked, the Jesus character being injected into a country's nation did more harm than it did good.
The constitution is a secular document. Just because it says we are endowed by a creator doesn't mean it's a theological one. It would say "we are endowed by christ Jesus or lord Krishna." That would make it a theological document. It takes a more secular/deistic stance. The "creator" could very well not be aware of our existence or dabble in human affairs. The "creator" might very well be a callous and capricious one, for 90 percent of the species on earth that lived are extinct.
@astarothification Wrong, because there is no evidence for god, making it perfectly acceptable and reasonable to say that one doesn't exist. While saying that something does exist with no evidence what so ever is 100% silly. I don't understand how anyone could say that Atheism is as silly as Theism...
As much as liberals may hate this video, I love it twice as much. Liberals need a serious dose of constitutional history, spirituality played a huge role in our nation's birth even in a time of "enlightenment" which I find in and of itself to be a loaded term, as if somehow those who reject God are better than those who follow a moral Christian lifestyle. Take a bow Molotov, props to you for speaking out when the rest of this country sits on their rears and does nothing.
Of course these people must be acting in satire. If what they were saying is true, it certainly would explain why we in the USA are the most violent of all people. Certainly the God of the Bible was a "do as I say and not as I do" kinda guy. By the second book of the Bible he already murdered 1,825,000 people. There you have it! "Thou Shalt Not Kill"--indeed!
@AnnaSofiaR Where did you draw that number from? Moreover, you're laboring under a category mistake; murder is the unlawful taking of life; when a soldier kills in combat he is not committing murder; when a person convicted of first degree murder is executed by the state the state is not committing murder. God within the parameters of classical theology cannot commit murder, as he is the originator and sustainer of life; he cannot steal as he ultimately owns everything. Basic theology.
Wow dumbshit. The Declaration of Independence isn't part of our Constitution, nor part of our governmental structure. Our Constitution establishes our rights without a single mention of God. The ninth amendment makes clear that we retain rights not outlined in the Constitution.
Feel free to keep misrepresenting our history. I'll feel free to keep calling you a dip-shit.
Sigh.. The Declaration of independence was a FUCK YOU letter to the King of England. It is NOT a legal document by any accnt, that be the Constitution!
Now what do you call ppl who deny this? Ohh right ah Jackass!!
The dense stupidity of this video helps retard America. These lard mountains are nothing more that Westboro Baptist church cultists in different outfits. If your particular god is the one who gives rights, then you are as fundamental as muslims who want to live by sharia law. How long before these religious retard nutbags become suicide bombers themselves.
@JamesWK08 if you believe God is real then you are a dumbass. So you are telling me that you dont have family or friends who believe in God. If so, do you call them dumbasses to their face or do you do that behind their backs. It is so tiring for nonbelievers to call people of faith dumb. My brother is agnostic but he doesnt judge me and tell me what I believe is dumb. I respect him and he respects me. Oh well respect is such an old fashion concept these days just like belief in God I guess
In general, he's a dumbass. He's even more of a dumbass to use god when dealing with rights etc. I'm stating that god isn't real while calling him a dumbass, cause... he is...
But yea, I kind of do think it's stupid to go along with the idea of god when there's absolutely no proof for it's existence. Just like believing in unicorns is stupid. Why should god be any different than dancing fairies behind me that you cant see, smell, touch etc?
It's not up to me to prove that God doesn't exist. You have to prove that god exists. Just like if I want people to believe there are dancing fairies behind me, that no one can see, hear etc., I have to prove they exist.
Because, really, I can't prove that god doesn't exist. At present, there is no evidence that points to the existence of a god. So, I'm not going to believe in one.
So go ahead, prove god exists. We will continue this when you do ;)
@weecraig898 How do you know there's not an invisible teapot on the dark side of saturn containing a little man who has three tits that shoot chocolate milk at you when you sing Britney's Spears 'Toxic' to it?
@weecraig898 I destroyed it? You we're the one asking how I knew god wasn't real.
Fine, you want a proper answer? I don't know that there isn't a god. But, as to date, there has been no evidence to even hint that a god exists, therefore, I have no reason to believe in one. Exactly the same way you shouldn't believe in my teapot man.
@JamesWK08 Exactly, as you just stated, you don't know, of course you have your reasons why you don't believe in him which I understand but you're the one saying he does not exist so you should be able to prove that statement. I amn't making any claims to the contrary. Moron² :)
Wow. If the declaration id so easy to understand, why can't these idiots get it? There is no god, no creator, and no brain in these human being's skulls. The old documents that forged this country were written in a different standard of English. "God" could refer to a born right to people born in this country, not your make-believe fairytale. Oh, and when I say this country was forged, I mean it like it came from the fires of hell. Not that there is a hell of course, but it's perfect irony.
"god-given" rights? The Declaration says "Creator" - not god.
Creator can mean any god or gods (not just the one you promote), your parents, or hey, what-do-ya-know...even the natural laws and mechanics of the universe. Natural law was mentioned in there too wasn't it? Ya it was.
If they were "god" given, as you suggest, why were they discussed and voted on by men?
And how do you explain things like slavery? Did that just slip your fictitious god's mind? Or are you completely full of shit?
Have you not noticed the correlation between how religious a government is and how nice it would be to live in that country? You can make as many hip youtube videos as you'd like, but FOR THE RECORD... religion is in serious decline.
@MeconiumStorm Dittos. I would not want to live in any theist country such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Europe in the middle ages under church control, etc.
2. The USA is a secular nation. Read your fucking 1st Amendment.
3. If rights are given by God, then why are there so many countries where people don't have those very rights listed in the DoI? Does God only give rights to people who live in a Democracy? Or is it the most likely option, that the rights come from the government, not God? Now we're getting somewhere!
Well, probably not, given the content of your other videos, but it was worth a shot.
I wonder if it ever occurred to Ms. Shrill Sidekick that the Declaration of Independence is not a legal document (unlike, say, the Constitution), which may be a good thing since only one of those says she, as a woman, has a right to vote.
Yeah, I heard that Thomas Jefferson is no longer considered a founding father to these people since he's the one that was most vocal about separation of church and state. I imagine once one of these morons gets around to figuring out that pretty much all of the founding fathers agreed with him, the list of TRUE founding fathers will be whittled down to a handful of slave owners somewhere who once wrote a letter to the first congress.
god didnt give me shit because he doesnt exist you fucking moron.....and i give it about another good 100 years and id gadly wager that he will disappear all together save for a mythological fairytale
if your nation is a christian nation then why is there no cross on our flag... how come there is no prayer in public schools... and why is OVER 25% of our nation NOT Christian.... our Goverment is Secular... seperation of church and state fuckhead.... if you want to live in a Theocracy move to Iran or Saudi Arabia
why would we need a cross on the flag? there was prayer in the schools until the 60's when radicals passed a law where you have no freedom of religion, oh no im sorry no freedom of christianity. over 25% whoopity! the other part makes up a large majority of christians, separation of church and state doesnt mean outlawing christianity, it means the government should be run as its own entity, which is good. I just dont understand whats wrong with christianity, makes no sense
nothing is wrong with Christianity.... its just today when you try and "save" people and try yo turn them into christians they tell you no... and as a result you "think" that the public is anti-christian when in reality they just dont believe what you believe and don't what your beleifs shoved in their faces anymore... and it does not matter who is the majority we are all created equal
I agree with you. I dont think that the public as a whole is anti-christian, i dont know every single opinion about it, but i was asking you. Personally, I dont "try and save" people or shove anything in their face, if some one is interested or asks me why do you this or that, i do my best to explain it. i do it respectfully so if thats offensive than i dont know. Once our rights are taken away it wont just be christianity, and i do believe we are created equal.
Also I think christians who become belligerent, and call non christians idiots or insult them, need to shut up. Its a gross misrepresentation of what christianity is, its like having a group who takes something seriously and then having a group of fakers or posers give you a bad name. I think if these people dont understand even the most basic form of love then they should just shut up. If i wanted some one to see that christianity was good then i would have to demonstrate it, not be an ass.
I agree with you about that, but don't you think that the non-Christians should do the same thing? When they get angry and irritated and start calling people stuff worse then idiot then don't you think that they should just shut up too? The problem is that we are all sinners, and even if we're Christians we are going to get angry, it is in our fallen sinful nature and is not preferable but it is inevitable.
I do agree with your point about a theocracy, that lends it self to the most abuses, i dont want to live like that, Iran or SA is a good example. Any way look, im trying to say that I think its great that we have the right to choose whatever we want in this nation. One thing the founding fathers understood (a good number of them christian) is that you cannot force people to do anything. slavery was abolished because we had the room to say "this isnt right and it needs to change".
You want to know why there is no prayer in public schools and why over 24% of our country is not Christian? Because our government is corrupted. When our nation was founded it was meant to be God>people>government. But now that has changed. They took God out of the picture and put themselves in his place, so now it is government>people. And that is not how it should be.
Ever read the Bible? In the Bible God vehemently disagrees with slavery, that is why he delivered the Hebrew slaves from Egypt and led them to the promised land.
@guardianofthewood Please ,it's in it , just read everything , not only the things you like.The bible is just a book , people care too much about a book .There is no such thing as the word of God, why would God need words in the first place ?
Before I say anything else could I ask you to please stop talking about God and the bible like that? To me, saying things about God, my father, like that is worse then anything you could say to me. And second in the Bible there was once a time period of nearly a century where God did not speak to the people at all because they would not repent of their sins. That is what is happening now, and so in order for us to learn about him he created His Word.
@guardianofthewood Why do people feel like religion and faith deserve respect?what for?So they can do anything in the name of God and avoid responsibility ?He didn't have to invent any words,imagine a being so complex like God could just communicate ,no need for words and stories.People invented spoken and written language.I'm not saying God doesn't exist but he's not our sky daddy.Why would he make so many rules for his creations when he was able to create people the way he wanted them ?
The bible doesnt teach that you can do what ever you want and avoid responsibility, the whole book talks about you being held responsible for you actions, duh! why make so many rules? maybe because he knows he wont get real love from a zombie, its up to us if we want to love him or not, free will dude, its not that hard
Because religion does deserve respect, it's another person's beliefs, and writing them off like that is offensive to the person who believes them. But people today have just forgotten the meaning of respect - either that or they just don't care.
@guardianofthewood God is your father but he wrote a book to explain you what is allowed and what isn't.And if you don't follow his rules you'll burn in Hell for eternity .Damn , who wouldn't love a father like that ?
Heres a question for you, if a father was really like that then why would i buy into that? Obviously God is not that way or there would be no one interested in even listening to what he had to say
Okay, for one, you've got it all mixed up. He doesn't say that if we don't follow his rules then we will burn in hell. We are sinners, there is no way we can follow all of his rules, we lie, we cheat, we get angry. We sin. It is inevitable due to our sinful fallen nature.
God says that we must believe in him and give our lives to him and spread his word. Not that we must follow every rule and never break one or we go to hell.
I wish everyone thought like this, man. If they did America (and most likely the world) would probably be a better place. Until Christ returns, though, all we Christians can do is endure.
Are you absolutely certain that an idiot can understand what Jefferson was referring to when he used the word "creator" in the Declaration of Independence? I just watched a video of two idiots that don't get it.
Wow. You two are a piece of work.
Being an atheist, i recognize that upon my creation, by my mother and father(creators), I was endowed with inalienable rights. The magical space ghost didn't "give" me rights.
I think its funny that you say that God gave us our rights. Shows you have never read a quote from the founding fathers. Do you think that Thomas Jefferson would sign anything that was religiously based? No he would not even consider it.
I mean that its in the decleration like he said, but that does not automaticly mean that the constitution bassis its validity on god. The fact that god is not mentioned int the constitution should tell you that much.
As for the self evident part. it says the rights are self evident. Not god, it simply assumes god gave you those rights
And its not that i don't want to, i simply don't because i see no reason to, any more then there is a reason to believe in dragons or elfs.
Seriously? Don't you know that America was founded on God? When the first settlers from England came they were determined to make a independent community apart from the King so they could worship as they wanted. But today that has been forgotten, and people don't even remember when George Washington said: It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.
Its funny how people love to associate free masonry with christianity and give God the blame for people who killed the natives. WOW. Thats like saying, well the columbine shooters listened to heavy metal, they were killers, you listen to heavy metal, therefore you are a killer. How was killing the majority of the natives even belong in the same category of the nations founding? so they signed the document, won the war and the same people just decided "hmm, ill go kill all the indians" nope!
@halcyon180 It's pretty simple,to found a nation on a land that belongs to someone else you need to enslave or exterminate the native people.Without killing them there would be no nation.Of course God had nothing to do with it , the same way God has nothing to do with anything going on .I didn't associate Masons with Christians , actually i made a distinction between them.Real christians are very rare anyway .
well i was born here a long time after this happened, i cant do anything about that. If it offfends you so bad than why dont you move somewhere else, or if you dont live here, then dont come here. All i know is there were a lot of settlers that moved out west and didnt bother the native americans. Dont know what to tell you man, all i know is i agree with the concept of the constitution and what it protects. I guess youll have to work that out dude, dunno
So your ancestors wanted to live there life free, and decide for them selves if, who, and how they wanted to worship.....so you should al worship the same thing? You realize that many of the rights you claim where given bye god are contrary to what the bible says.
so your saying that freedom of religion is a God given right and the bible doesnt support that? If thats true, than why didnt the God of the bible FORCE everyone to be a christian? He could if he wanted to right? if he is the one who created everything than why not make us all believe? Well there your answer, you were created with free will.
i never said it was a GOD given right. Its a right you have, through your constitution. And i'm saying the bible/God does not support this right.
How many times is freedom of religion advocated in the bible vs. the times it is condemned. Oh yes he gave us free will, but as soon as you use it you go to hell, yeah god really wants you to use your free will. If your rights are contrary to the will of God, he did not give them to you, if he is even real to begin with
No, there is no such thing as free will. It is not a matter of choice, because if it was we would NEVER choose Him. It is actually a matter of both Unconditional Election and Limited Atonement, two of the five points of Calvinism. We are elected unconditionally, not by our own works, and atonement is limited - not everyone is saved. There is no choice.
i dont think it works that way, its a covenant, meaning two people make an agreement, like a marriage covenant, do you suppose i could just walk over to a girl and say, mmkay, were gettin married because ive just elected you. not quite, now once you enter that agreement, i do believe that God does all the work and you walk in it. see the thing is even as a christian you can still choose to do opposite of God, you have free will. If you didnt you would always just do whats right
Right well can you and halcyon do this amongst your selves and come back when you've figgerd out which way it is?
And just why should i care what Calvin said, is there any reason his version is correct and the others are wrong? unconditionally and not bye are own works? right so i could kill or rape some one and still go to heaven if i was picked, but i could save a bus full of kids and still go to hell if i wasn't?
What exactly is it that makes you think your saved then?
That is not what I said at all.You completely misunderstood the unconditional election. He doesn't elect people based on their works. There have been people who did horrible things and then were saved. But in Christ they knew they were forgiven, whatever their sin was. It is not by works, so yes, even if you did a wonderful work it would not change anything if you weren't saved.
I am saved, I know because I love God, because I want to spread his word and tell people of his wonderful love.
No its not what you said, but you did just admit it is the consequence of whet you said. If our works don't mater it doesn't even mater whether you believe in god, go to church or worship some one else. Even your love for god or your desire to spread his word would be meaningless. A atheist or a Muslim would have just as much chance as getting in as you.
So explain to me where is the justice. moral or love in picking people completely at random?
I am not saying that we should all worship the same thing, no. That will never happen because not everyone is saved. But I am saying that this country was founded on God and on a biblical perspective, and (just like he said) to deny God is to deny rights.
And which rights, might I ask, that I claim were given by God are contrary to the Bible?
thats like saying i don't believe in the earth, because god made it and i don't believe in god. I do believe in rights/god is just don't think God is the cause of them.
And i'm saying although you might claim and believe that the two are not compatible. For instance who's interpretation of the bible should be used then?
Christian's believe in absolutes, and for one thing there is no way that anyone on this earth can not AT ALL believe that God does not exist, it is against our nature. Deep down, each of us know that he exists, but most don't want to admit it. You can throw questions at me all you want but it will never phase me. If you are trying to convince me to stop believing in God it won't work, and if you're trying to convince yourselves that He does not exist then that won't work either.
I know you believe in absolutes, kinda makes you look insecure. Yes we al born believing in Allah...oh wait did you mean some one else?
I have no intention of disproving god or getting you to believe something else. Al I'm doing i pointing out the flaws in your claims. Your idea that where al born with a belief in god is baseless. I do not feel him in my hart of precieve him in my mind. And i have tried. And the whole thing about convincing one self sounds like your projecting.
No, I am not. Like I said 'deep down' we all know he is real, but some do not want to admit it, so it is buried beneath layers and layers of all the stupidity that is being taught in schools today about evolution and that leads to an atheistic world view.
Tell me, though, how I am supposed to prove anything to you people when you are not willing to listen? All you do is suck up what I say and then find a way to use it against me. I am sick of this.
I do not believe in god, and the belief is not "buried". You are describing your fantasy, not reality. And no, schools do not teach people to be atheistic. If the gnosticly religious had the ability to think for themselves (something a loving god would support) they would realize evolution and religion don't have to conflict. The bible was a piece of fiction used to teach morals, and the lack of science drove them to fabricate explanations for the layman
I understand your beliefs, I even respect them, but that does not mean that I agree with it, and that does not mean that I will not counter it with what I know. Please, just once would you even consider (for just a moment) that you believe what I believe in? For just a moment could you try and understand what I am trying to tell you? I am trying to tell you about something wonderful.
Come on guys, nobody has ever stood up in front of people ready to claim a nation for themselves with the intent of coming to a rational consensus and agreement of rights and laws between founders and civilians based on deductive reasoning. It's not possible without God. Even if those founders and civilians enforced that law by appointing men of service to uphold the integrity of the law they themselves created. No way you can't beat down people with a nightstick that dont obey laws without God.
Well, this still doesn't address the fact that science and a better grasp on reality has poked so many holes in the old hackneyed book that it makes the entire discussion irrelevant. All due respect, I don't care whether the FF's believed or did not believe in the Judeo-Christian super-natural fairy godfather -- EVERYONE should know better at this point. Abrahamic religions have failed to evolve and evolution affects all living things; therefore, the Abrahamic religions must be dead.
This is a lie spread by those Christians who hate and despise the United States of America. They hate the fact that we are a nation of many people from many lands who follow many faiths. They hate the fact that the Christian faith is not officially recognized as the faith of the United States. They hate the fact that there are those who can chose to follow no faith at all without undue consequences.
The founding fathers, like the ones who wrote the Declaration of Independence, were not fundamentalist Christians. They were deists who were heavily influenced by the Enlightenment. They did not in any way shape or form conceive of America as some sort of Fascist Theocracy. That is why the establishment clause was placed in the very first amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.
I am happy using logical reasoning and using real, substantiated evidence in my opinion and I'm happy knowing the difference between fact and opinion. Clearly, these people are happy doing the opposite. but, for lack of a better phrase, god help em!
The US is not a christian nation. The United States was based not on christian, biblical ideals, rather Roman, Republican ideals. President Washington explicity stated in a letters that the US was not a christian nation. Your welcom to your views and beliefs, but you willfully disregard the facts. the euphism "God given" is the only mention of god in the Declaration. The US Constitution mentions only that congress "shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion"
The phrase "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" means each person is merely born with rights that cannot be taken away. People need to start understanding the spirit of the law rather than taking it literally.
The Declaration of Independence has no force of law. If you want to codify your theocratic fascist ideology, you must amend the Constitution or destroy the nation. Given the lack of success the theocrats have had with the former throughout our nation's history, your are probably best served with the latter.
Good luck with that. Say "hi" to your buddy Osama while you're at it.
This video is so full of bullshit, it's not even funny. I'm talking serious level 90 retard bullshit. These people are doing everything they can to rewrite history. Fucking stupid assholes.
If these rights are "god given" then why did he wait almost 1800 years after the death of his son to codify them in a random nation's founding documents?
Oh, wait, your god and his mythology are just that: myth. We've given these rights to ourselves, and we continue to grant new rights as time moves forward.
And who stands firm against these new rights, every single time? That's right, religion, and specifically the christian right.
In 1789, African-Americans were defined in the Constitution as 3/5 of a person for counting representation, and could not vote at all. (Constitution's Article 1, section 2, and elsewhere)
Point is: things change. A non-existent deity cannot give or take away what people have conjured up. Only people can.
okay im sorry what if people do not believe that god is their creator so maybe that is invalid and let me show you to the eighth amendment, its a great read
CBOvechkin8 1 week ago
Great parody! You guys nailed the uneducated douchebag perfectly!
Way to go!
AssassinOfIgnorance 3 weeks ago
Please stop posting your videos. As always you make my ears bleed.
HailCrimsonKing 2 months ago
You are correct. Healthcare, Education, housing, and a Sex-Change are not rights. Mostly because the Declaration of Independence was drafted in 1776 you stupid f**k. There was no such thing as a healthcare system or a sex-change. P.S. the Declaration was not a Constitution! It was a letter to King George III stating how the colonists were tired of being oppressed by King George. Did you listen to history class or sit there humming while waiting for lunch?
HailCrimsonKing 2 months ago
Which flavor of god are we to predicate the govt on. Shall it be allah? jehova? jesus? is it to be the christian god? Which one of the 37000 denominations of that god will it be? Who will decide and how?
tapesquare 3 months ago
this country was founded with christian beliefs. that ment being tolerant of each other. which is why we have the freedom of free speech and freedom to worship as you please. if you don't like that move to a country where they tell you what to believe and frce into a religion
4everUSNavy 4 months ago
334 dislikes = 334 idiot, liberal atheists
Hyena62 5 months ago
@Hyena62 337 of us now. 104 likes + 104 deluded tea party halfwit faux-Christians.
gamutman 4 months ago
@gamutman Oh boy......you sure put me in my place. Feel better now?
Hyena62 4 months ago
The rights in the constitution do not require a god to give them to us. We have these rights because of our human nature!
colorzebra689 7 months ago
Totally true about 'god' and 'rights'
calmreason 7 months ago
I wish chocolate cupcakes WERE rights. Fuck yeah, I'd love chocolate cupcakes. Also, our rights come from liberties that the Founding Fathers wanted everyone to have; to escape from religious and taxation tyranny. Oh and if you think that religion is apart of our country's founding or its' laws, maybe you should look up the "Treaty of Tripoli". Everything that has "In god we trust" on it was enacted by the Knights of Columbus and other religious groups. Not the Founding Fathers, you idiots.
SkelanimalKitteh 7 months ago
"God is dead." Nietzsche "Nietzsche is dead." God
viriatoist 9 months ago
@viriatoist Haha! But Nietzsche beats God every time, in that he had genuine existence.
jomper 6 months ago
Both states and the Church are composed of people. Being part of a state is a legal status. Being part of the Church (God being indivisible, has but one Mystical Body) is a spiritual status. The 1rst Amendment forbids adoption of an official Church by the fed govt. It also forbids interference by the fed govt in state official Churches. Connecticut was officially Congregationalist and publicly funded its state Church. Incorporation through the 14th Amendment is Warren Court judicial legislation.
viriatoist 9 months ago
@chiefkyle1 To which "Creator" (note the capital c) does Jefferson refer to in our Declaration of Independence (which he authored & signed)? Where in the Constitution does one find the words, "separation of Church (it's capitalized) and state"? Does one find it in the 1rst Amendment? Are there implied laws? To which "Supreme Judge" does Jefferson refer to in the Declaration? To whose "divine providence" does he refer? The Declaration is an Act of Congress, law of the land. Should it be redacted?
viriatoist 9 months ago
@viriatoist When Jefferson is speaking of the Creator, he is speaking of his own personal god. But it was he who wanted Separation of Church and State because he knew religious leaders were stupid and greedy. He told everyone, including his own nephew, to question everything, including their religious beliefs. Oh and Jefferson laughed at Christianity; he thought it was bullshit.
SkelanimalKitteh 7 months ago
@SkelanimalKitteh Correction Jefferson didn't believe in a personal god. He was a deist with atheistic tendencies.
yellowkrux 7 months ago
@yellowkrux He even said himself he believed in the Judeo-Christian god, he just didn't believe in Jesus.
SkelanimalKitteh 6 months ago
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yellowkrux 6 months ago
@SkelanimalKitteh A man who believed in JHVH would not say this “Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear”.
Also he said the opposite he did believe in Jesus, in fact Jefferson claimed Jesus of Nazareth was the greatest moral philosopher ever to live. He however did NOT believe in JHVH nor any other personal god.
yellowkrux 6 months ago
@chiefkyle1 Jefferson lived in Paris when the Constitutional Convention convened. He had nothing to do with it and, favoring the existing confederacy under the Articles of Confederation (our first constitution) and the sovereignty the culturally distinct states possessed, he vociferously opposed the Federalist Party and disowned the federalist objectives of its constitutional convention. Nothing in our Constitution was authored by or signed onto by Jefferson. No Democratic-Republican signed it.
viriatoist 9 months ago
@doomsword86
So you were taught and you believe because you don't posses the ability to retain an original, logical thought of your own.
Just another mindless sheeple.
originaLkomatoast 9 months ago
Religion/God is the biggest scam. I cant believe people still subscribe themselfs to these archiac myths. We humans need to relinquish religion for the sake of our species.
demonsedge 9 months ago
Wow! I was really getting onto your videos up untill this one. What a let down.
theslothman666 9 months ago
FAIL
SuperDuper8iest 10 months ago
Right on Molotov! If rights do not come from God, where DO they come from?? The truth that our rights come from God is indeed self-evident. It makes so much sense! Eliminate God from government and you get what? Obama the Supreme Jackass of the Land. Oh give me Reagan or Lincoln or Washington any day!
DrTerminus 11 months ago
I love these videos! They are so politically incorrect--it's refreshing! Keep them coming! It's almost as entertaining to read the angry comments of the viewers.
Danthemanlyman7 11 months ago 7
@Danthemanlyman7 go be an idiot somewhere else
4everUSNavy 4 months ago
Respond to this video... how is it politically incorrect when he is correct
4everUSNavy 4 months ago
@4everUSNavy Political correctness is obedience to marxism. That is the literal definition.
turdferguson9725 1 month ago
there used to be a time where everyone was a christian and everything was ruled by the church. We call it the Dark Ages.
soterios11 1 year ago
ehem, if what you believe is true, then it would say "all men are created equal, except for gays and liberals, they are wrong, and don't deserve happiness." and if this was before emancipation I would put money to say you would have had no problems with adding Black people to the list either.
archofthedark 1 year ago
I do recommend to take a look over John Finnis work, Natural Law and Natural Rights, or take a look in St. Thomas Aquinas treatise of Law.
pedrohqb 1 year ago
Natural Law is the basis of these rights, because they come from the nature of things. I don't like the Enlightenment, but these rights can be found PROPERLY over the NATURAL LAW, which is present in all humanity. A Government that denies Natural Law do have a tendency to self-destruction.
pedrohqb 1 year ago
@pedrohqb Here Here!! I am a Gun carrying war vet "right-wing" Atheist. I have seen what religious laws do to a country's people. The Middle East is on fire right now over that shitty sandpaper "holy land".
Patjersey3000 9 months ago
**When it comes to talking about the existence of a god or gods, in any case...
JamesWK08 1 year ago
@weecraig898 I'm not the one who made the claim in the first place! The guy in the video did... When it comes to proving gods existence, in any case, it should be the ones who say they believe who should have to provide evidence which points to their god... And by asking me how I knew, any reasonable person would see that as a challenge, clearly, you stand on an opposite view point. Now, please prove your god exists ;)
JamesWK08 1 year ago
But the US constitution does not mention god. The declaration has nothing to do with our current government. None of the 10 commandments are even looked at sideways in the constitution. Even the ones most basic in our legal system, like theft and murder.
offroadjohnny 1 year ago
Actually you don't. US rights largely come from the work of John Locke, who critiqued Thomas Hobbes quite a bit (Hobbes who suggested we dont have rights because god put Kings in charge of us thus we must subvert to them). And so, Locke was suggesting that we get our rights from nature, but we LOSE many of those rights as we agree to enter a society.
NOT to mention that 10th amendment covers anything not mentioned in the constitution and it's protection. READ, oh but wait...republicans cant.
Balsology 1 year ago
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You can't possibly be this stupid...
lordwindowlicker 1 year ago
Whatever the "creator" may be is irrelevant. The constitution is just asserting that we are all on this earth, and we all have a common goal and claim common heritage. The creator could be a fucking microwave, the point is, the fact that we are all here and survivng makes it self evident that we all have rights.
The last time I checked, the Jesus character being injected into a country's nation did more harm than it did good.
evilnomad111 1 year ago
The constitution is a secular document. Just because it says we are endowed by a creator doesn't mean it's a theological one. It would say "we are endowed by christ Jesus or lord Krishna." That would make it a theological document. It takes a more secular/deistic stance. The "creator" could very well not be aware of our existence or dabble in human affairs. The "creator" might very well be a callous and capricious one, for 90 percent of the species on earth that lived are extinct.
evilnomad111 1 year ago
@astarothification Wrong, because there is no evidence for god, making it perfectly acceptable and reasonable to say that one doesn't exist. While saying that something does exist with no evidence what so ever is 100% silly. I don't understand how anyone could say that Atheism is as silly as Theism...
JamesWK08 1 year ago
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JamesWK08 1 year ago
As much as liberals may hate this video, I love it twice as much. Liberals need a serious dose of constitutional history, spirituality played a huge role in our nation's birth even in a time of "enlightenment" which I find in and of itself to be a loaded term, as if somehow those who reject God are better than those who follow a moral Christian lifestyle. Take a bow Molotov, props to you for speaking out when the rest of this country sits on their rears and does nothing.
PRSpl4yer 1 year ago
Of course these people must be acting in satire. If what they were saying is true, it certainly would explain why we in the USA are the most violent of all people. Certainly the God of the Bible was a "do as I say and not as I do" kinda guy. By the second book of the Bible he already murdered 1,825,000 people. There you have it! "Thou Shalt Not Kill"--indeed!
AnnaSofiaR 1 year ago
@AnnaSofiaR Where did you draw that number from? Moreover, you're laboring under a category mistake; murder is the unlawful taking of life; when a soldier kills in combat he is not committing murder; when a person convicted of first degree murder is executed by the state the state is not committing murder. God within the parameters of classical theology cannot commit murder, as he is the originator and sustainer of life; he cannot steal as he ultimately owns everything. Basic theology.
ytuseruber 1 year ago
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Ohh and don't forget the Treaty of Tripoli
IxFrozenTombxI 1 year ago
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Ohh and don't forget the Treaty of Tripoli
IxFrozenTombxI 1 year ago
Ohh and don't forget the Treaty of Tripoli
IxFrozenTombxI 1 year ago
Idiots....take an ethics course
IxFrozenTombxI 1 year ago
Wow dumbshit. The Declaration of Independence isn't part of our Constitution, nor part of our governmental structure. Our Constitution establishes our rights without a single mention of God. The ninth amendment makes clear that we retain rights not outlined in the Constitution.
Feel free to keep misrepresenting our history. I'll feel free to keep calling you a dip-shit.
t3tsuyaguy1 1 year ago
@doomsword86 i wish I could high five you over the internet.
TheGunslingr 1 year ago
ugg..... You have been pwnd already. bitch.
killerbandit 1 year ago
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Atrocitas6 1 year ago
Holy shit, I can't tell which is more inane and retarded, the ramblings of these fucking morons, or the repetitive fucking music.
Atrocitas6 1 year ago
Sigh.. The Declaration of independence was a FUCK YOU letter to the King of England. It is NOT a legal document by any accnt, that be the Constitution!
Now what do you call ppl who deny this? Ohh right ah Jackass!!
bananabread119 1 year ago
Heee-Haww, and proud!
barebowarchery 1 year ago
The dense stupidity of this video helps retard America. These lard mountains are nothing more that Westboro Baptist church cultists in different outfits. If your particular god is the one who gives rights, then you are as fundamental as muslims who want to live by sharia law. How long before these religious retard nutbags become suicide bombers themselves.
fakeaclone 1 year ago
Which religion? There are many religions?
Have ya'll ever met Fred Phelps and his family?
equalityboy81 1 year ago
God isn't real, dumbass....
JamesWK08 1 year ago 3
@JamesWK08 And neither are your rights.
ytuseruber 1 year ago
@JamesWK08 if you believe God is real then you are a dumbass. So you are telling me that you dont have family or friends who believe in God. If so, do you call them dumbasses to their face or do you do that behind their backs. It is so tiring for nonbelievers to call people of faith dumb. My brother is agnostic but he doesnt judge me and tell me what I believe is dumb. I respect him and he respects me. Oh well respect is such an old fashion concept these days just like belief in God I guess
jamaal2zoom 1 year ago
@jamaal2zoom
In general, he's a dumbass. He's even more of a dumbass to use god when dealing with rights etc. I'm stating that god isn't real while calling him a dumbass, cause... he is...
But yea, I kind of do think it's stupid to go along with the idea of god when there's absolutely no proof for it's existence. Just like believing in unicorns is stupid. Why should god be any different than dancing fairies behind me that you cant see, smell, touch etc?
JamesWK08 1 year ago
@JamesWK08
prove god doesn't exist then
astarothification 1 year ago
@astarothification
It's not up to me to prove that God doesn't exist. You have to prove that god exists. Just like if I want people to believe there are dancing fairies behind me, that no one can see, hear etc., I have to prove they exist.
Because, really, I can't prove that god doesn't exist. At present, there is no evidence that points to the existence of a god. So, I'm not going to believe in one.
So go ahead, prove god exists. We will continue this when you do ;)
JamesWK08 1 year ago
@JamesWK08
I didn't make the claim "god exists." You made the claim that god doesn't exist. The burden of proof is upon you to prove your claim.
astarothification 1 year ago
@astarothification
No, because no one has to prove a negative. Theists are the ones claiming god exists in the first place
JamesWK08 1 year ago
@JamesWK08
Saying god doesn't exist is as silly as saying god does exist.
astarothification 1 year ago
@JamesWK08 How do you know?
weecraig898 1 year ago
@weecraig898 How do you know there's not an invisible teapot on the dark side of saturn containing a little man who has three tits that shoot chocolate milk at you when you sing Britney's Spears 'Toxic' to it?
JamesWK08 1 year ago
@JamesWK08 Lol you've taken a respected arguement and destroyed it, nice one moron.
weecraig898 1 year ago
@weecraig898 I destroyed it? You we're the one asking how I knew god wasn't real.
Fine, you want a proper answer? I don't know that there isn't a god. But, as to date, there has been no evidence to even hint that a god exists, therefore, I have no reason to believe in one. Exactly the same way you shouldn't believe in my teapot man.
Nice one, moron ;)
JamesWK08 1 year ago
@JamesWK08 Exactly, as you just stated, you don't know, of course you have your reasons why you don't believe in him which I understand but you're the one saying he does not exist so you should be able to prove that statement. I amn't making any claims to the contrary. Moron² :)
weecraig898 1 year ago
Wow. If the declaration id so easy to understand, why can't these idiots get it? There is no god, no creator, and no brain in these human being's skulls. The old documents that forged this country were written in a different standard of English. "God" could refer to a born right to people born in this country, not your make-believe fairytale. Oh, and when I say this country was forged, I mean it like it came from the fires of hell. Not that there is a hell of course, but it's perfect irony.
redsweatsocks 1 year ago
"god-given" rights? The Declaration says "Creator" - not god.
Creator can mean any god or gods (not just the one you promote), your parents, or hey, what-do-ya-know...even the natural laws and mechanics of the universe. Natural law was mentioned in there too wasn't it? Ya it was.
If they were "god" given, as you suggest, why were they discussed and voted on by men?
And how do you explain things like slavery? Did that just slip your fictitious god's mind? Or are you completely full of shit?
TheHigherVoltage 1 year ago 3
And what do you call someone who believes we must follow a imaginary and bearded superman?
A child.
Solutho 1 year ago 3
Have you not noticed the correlation between how religious a government is and how nice it would be to live in that country? You can make as many hip youtube videos as you'd like, but FOR THE RECORD... religion is in serious decline.
MeconiumStorm 1 year ago 3
@MeconiumStorm Dittos. I would not want to live in any theist country such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Europe in the middle ages under church control, etc.
jimbobubbadj 1 year ago
@MeconiumStorm organized religion bight be but not spirituality
baezalejandro 1 year ago
1. The DoI is not a legal document in America.
2. The USA is a secular nation. Read your fucking 1st Amendment.
3. If rights are given by God, then why are there so many countries where people don't have those very rights listed in the DoI? Does God only give rights to people who live in a Democracy? Or is it the most likely option, that the rights come from the government, not God? Now we're getting somewhere!
Well, probably not, given the content of your other videos, but it was worth a shot.
notthecheatr 1 year ago
I wonder if it ever occurred to Ms. Shrill Sidekick that the Declaration of Independence is not a legal document (unlike, say, the Constitution), which may be a good thing since only one of those says she, as a woman, has a right to vote.
MikeYarrum 1 year ago
Do people actually believe this bullshit, or is this an elaborate parody?
No rights without an imaginary sky fairy that watches you masturbate? Utterly ludicrous.
bjf10 1 year ago
Yeah, I heard that Thomas Jefferson is no longer considered a founding father to these people since he's the one that was most vocal about separation of church and state. I imagine once one of these morons gets around to figuring out that pretty much all of the founding fathers agreed with him, the list of TRUE founding fathers will be whittled down to a handful of slave owners somewhere who once wrote a letter to the first congress.
oogaboogan 1 year ago
It's pretty unanimous how much everyone hates this "molotov" douchebag.
oogaboogan 1 year ago
Well, I disagree with your claim that rights come from God, but let's assume for the sake of argument that you're correct.
Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Health-care is a means of protecting life AND happiness. How can you claim it isn't a right?
TheVofR 1 year ago
god didnt give me shit because he doesnt exist you fucking moron.....and i give it about another good 100 years and id gadly wager that he will disappear all together save for a mythological fairytale
TJmarian 1 year ago 2
For the Record.... this guy is fucking dumb!
ChadWardenTV 1 year ago
i guess you dont read history or the founding documents of the US. Um yeah our nation was Christian. If you dont like it, move somewhere else.
halcyon180 1 year ago
if your nation is a christian nation then why is there no cross on our flag... how come there is no prayer in public schools... and why is OVER 25% of our nation NOT Christian.... our Goverment is Secular... seperation of church and state fuckhead.... if you want to live in a Theocracy move to Iran or Saudi Arabia
ChadWardenTV 1 year ago
why would we need a cross on the flag? there was prayer in the schools until the 60's when radicals passed a law where you have no freedom of religion, oh no im sorry no freedom of christianity. over 25% whoopity! the other part makes up a large majority of christians, separation of church and state doesnt mean outlawing christianity, it means the government should be run as its own entity, which is good. I just dont understand whats wrong with christianity, makes no sense
halcyon180 1 year ago
nothing is wrong with Christianity.... its just today when you try and "save" people and try yo turn them into christians they tell you no... and as a result you "think" that the public is anti-christian when in reality they just dont believe what you believe and don't what your beleifs shoved in their faces anymore... and it does not matter who is the majority we are all created equal
ChadWardenTV 1 year ago
I agree with you. I dont think that the public as a whole is anti-christian, i dont know every single opinion about it, but i was asking you. Personally, I dont "try and save" people or shove anything in their face, if some one is interested or asks me why do you this or that, i do my best to explain it. i do it respectfully so if thats offensive than i dont know. Once our rights are taken away it wont just be christianity, and i do believe we are created equal.
halcyon180 1 year ago
Also I think christians who become belligerent, and call non christians idiots or insult them, need to shut up. Its a gross misrepresentation of what christianity is, its like having a group who takes something seriously and then having a group of fakers or posers give you a bad name. I think if these people dont understand even the most basic form of love then they should just shut up. If i wanted some one to see that christianity was good then i would have to demonstrate it, not be an ass.
halcyon180 1 year ago
I agree with you about that, but don't you think that the non-Christians should do the same thing? When they get angry and irritated and start calling people stuff worse then idiot then don't you think that they should just shut up too? The problem is that we are all sinners, and even if we're Christians we are going to get angry, it is in our fallen sinful nature and is not preferable but it is inevitable.
guardianofthewood 1 year ago
I do agree with your point about a theocracy, that lends it self to the most abuses, i dont want to live like that, Iran or SA is a good example. Any way look, im trying to say that I think its great that we have the right to choose whatever we want in this nation. One thing the founding fathers understood (a good number of them christian) is that you cannot force people to do anything. slavery was abolished because we had the room to say "this isnt right and it needs to change".
halcyon180 1 year ago
You want to know why there is no prayer in public schools and why over 24% of our country is not Christian? Because our government is corrupted. When our nation was founded it was meant to be God>people>government. But now that has changed. They took God out of the picture and put themselves in his place, so now it is government>people. And that is not how it should be.
guardianofthewood 1 year ago
The right to own slaves, beat them and sell them comes from God too.But hey you are already slaves to a rotten mentality so thank God for that .
AmurgAprins 2 years ago
Ever read the Bible? In the Bible God vehemently disagrees with slavery, that is why he delivered the Hebrew slaves from Egypt and led them to the promised land.
guardianofthewood 1 year ago
@guardianofthewood Please ,it's in it , just read everything , not only the things you like.The bible is just a book , people care too much about a book .There is no such thing as the word of God, why would God need words in the first place ?
AmurgAprins 1 year ago
Before I say anything else could I ask you to please stop talking about God and the bible like that? To me, saying things about God, my father, like that is worse then anything you could say to me. And second in the Bible there was once a time period of nearly a century where God did not speak to the people at all because they would not repent of their sins. That is what is happening now, and so in order for us to learn about him he created His Word.
It is not just a book. It is my entire life.
guardianofthewood 1 year ago
@guardianofthewood Why do people feel like religion and faith deserve respect?what for?So they can do anything in the name of God and avoid responsibility ?He didn't have to invent any words,imagine a being so complex like God could just communicate ,no need for words and stories.People invented spoken and written language.I'm not saying God doesn't exist but he's not our sky daddy.Why would he make so many rules for his creations when he was able to create people the way he wanted them ?
AmurgAprins 1 year ago
The bible doesnt teach that you can do what ever you want and avoid responsibility, the whole book talks about you being held responsible for you actions, duh! why make so many rules? maybe because he knows he wont get real love from a zombie, its up to us if we want to love him or not, free will dude, its not that hard
halcyon180 1 year ago
Because religion does deserve respect, it's another person's beliefs, and writing them off like that is offensive to the person who believes them. But people today have just forgotten the meaning of respect - either that or they just don't care.
guardianofthewood 1 year ago
@guardianofthewood God is your father but he wrote a book to explain you what is allowed and what isn't.And if you don't follow his rules you'll burn in Hell for eternity .Damn , who wouldn't love a father like that ?
AmurgAprins 1 year ago
Heres a question for you, if a father was really like that then why would i buy into that? Obviously God is not that way or there would be no one interested in even listening to what he had to say
halcyon180 1 year ago
Okay, for one, you've got it all mixed up. He doesn't say that if we don't follow his rules then we will burn in hell. We are sinners, there is no way we can follow all of his rules, we lie, we cheat, we get angry. We sin. It is inevitable due to our sinful fallen nature.
God says that we must believe in him and give our lives to him and spread his word. Not that we must follow every rule and never break one or we go to hell.
guardianofthewood 1 year ago
I wish everyone thought like this, man. If they did America (and most likely the world) would probably be a better place. Until Christ returns, though, all we Christians can do is endure.
guardianofthewood 2 years ago
Ha ha ha! I love it.
"even an idiot can get it"
Are you absolutely certain that an idiot can understand what Jefferson was referring to when he used the word "creator" in the Declaration of Independence? I just watched a video of two idiots that don't get it.
Wow. You two are a piece of work.
Being an atheist, i recognize that upon my creation, by my mother and father(creators), I was endowed with inalienable rights. The magical space ghost didn't "give" me rights.
Vile propaganda.
sferrari81 2 years ago
I think its funny that you say that God gave us our rights. Shows you have never read a quote from the founding fathers. Do you think that Thomas Jefferson would sign anything that was religiously based? No he would not even consider it.
NerveGasBubbleBath2 2 years ago
thats not the constitution your talking about, you could at least use the right document...oh wait you can't coz its not in there
liesandtricks 2 years ago
What do you mean that it is not the constitution? Are you not paying attention or are you just denying it because you don't want to believe in God?
guardianofthewood 2 years ago
I mean that its in the decleration like he said, but that does not automaticly mean that the constitution bassis its validity on god. The fact that god is not mentioned int the constitution should tell you that much.
As for the self evident part. it says the rights are self evident. Not god, it simply assumes god gave you those rights
And its not that i don't want to, i simply don't because i see no reason to, any more then there is a reason to believe in dragons or elfs.
liesandtricks 2 years ago
Seriously? Don't you know that America was founded on God? When the first settlers from England came they were determined to make a independent community apart from the King so they could worship as they wanted. But today that has been forgotten, and people don't even remember when George Washington said: It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible.
guardianofthewood 1 year ago
@guardianofthewood Was not,see how many of them were freemasons.How was a country founded on God by killing the majority of the natives ?
AmurgAprins 1 year ago
Its funny how people love to associate free masonry with christianity and give God the blame for people who killed the natives. WOW. Thats like saying, well the columbine shooters listened to heavy metal, they were killers, you listen to heavy metal, therefore you are a killer. How was killing the majority of the natives even belong in the same category of the nations founding? so they signed the document, won the war and the same people just decided "hmm, ill go kill all the indians" nope!
halcyon180 1 year ago
@halcyon180 It's pretty simple,to found a nation on a land that belongs to someone else you need to enslave or exterminate the native people.Without killing them there would be no nation.Of course God had nothing to do with it , the same way God has nothing to do with anything going on .I didn't associate Masons with Christians , actually i made a distinction between them.Real christians are very rare anyway .
AmurgAprins 1 year ago
well i was born here a long time after this happened, i cant do anything about that. If it offfends you so bad than why dont you move somewhere else, or if you dont live here, then dont come here. All i know is there were a lot of settlers that moved out west and didnt bother the native americans. Dont know what to tell you man, all i know is i agree with the concept of the constitution and what it protects. I guess youll have to work that out dude, dunno
halcyon180 1 year ago
So your ancestors wanted to live there life free, and decide for them selves if, who, and how they wanted to worship.....so you should al worship the same thing? You realize that many of the rights you claim where given bye god are contrary to what the bible says.
liesandtricks 1 year ago
Like what? what rights that are God given are contrary? can you give an example?
halcyon180 1 year ago
freedom of religion
liesandtricks 1 year ago
so your saying that freedom of religion is a God given right and the bible doesnt support that? If thats true, than why didnt the God of the bible FORCE everyone to be a christian? He could if he wanted to right? if he is the one who created everything than why not make us all believe? Well there your answer, you were created with free will.
halcyon180 1 year ago
i never said it was a GOD given right. Its a right you have, through your constitution. And i'm saying the bible/God does not support this right.
How many times is freedom of religion advocated in the bible vs. the times it is condemned. Oh yes he gave us free will, but as soon as you use it you go to hell, yeah god really wants you to use your free will. If your rights are contrary to the will of God, he did not give them to you, if he is even real to begin with
liesandtricks 1 year ago
No, there is no such thing as free will. It is not a matter of choice, because if it was we would NEVER choose Him. It is actually a matter of both Unconditional Election and Limited Atonement, two of the five points of Calvinism. We are elected unconditionally, not by our own works, and atonement is limited - not everyone is saved. There is no choice.
guardianofthewood 1 year ago
i dont think it works that way, its a covenant, meaning two people make an agreement, like a marriage covenant, do you suppose i could just walk over to a girl and say, mmkay, were gettin married because ive just elected you. not quite, now once you enter that agreement, i do believe that God does all the work and you walk in it. see the thing is even as a christian you can still choose to do opposite of God, you have free will. If you didnt you would always just do whats right
halcyon180 1 year ago
im not calvanist or armenian, i would say that there are parts of both that apply, and there are parts of both that are completely invalid
halcyon180 1 year ago
Right well can you and halcyon do this amongst your selves and come back when you've figgerd out which way it is?
And just why should i care what Calvin said, is there any reason his version is correct and the others are wrong? unconditionally and not bye are own works? right so i could kill or rape some one and still go to heaven if i was picked, but i could save a bus full of kids and still go to hell if i wasn't?
What exactly is it that makes you think your saved then?
liesandtricks 1 year ago
That is not what I said at all.You completely misunderstood the unconditional election. He doesn't elect people based on their works. There have been people who did horrible things and then were saved. But in Christ they knew they were forgiven, whatever their sin was. It is not by works, so yes, even if you did a wonderful work it would not change anything if you weren't saved.
I am saved, I know because I love God, because I want to spread his word and tell people of his wonderful love.
guardianofthewood 1 year ago
No its not what you said, but you did just admit it is the consequence of whet you said. If our works don't mater it doesn't even mater whether you believe in god, go to church or worship some one else. Even your love for god or your desire to spread his word would be meaningless. A atheist or a Muslim would have just as much chance as getting in as you.
So explain to me where is the justice. moral or love in picking people completely at random?
liesandtricks 1 year ago
I am not saying that we should all worship the same thing, no. That will never happen because not everyone is saved. But I am saying that this country was founded on God and on a biblical perspective, and (just like he said) to deny God is to deny rights.
And which rights, might I ask, that I claim were given by God are contrary to the Bible?
guardianofthewood 1 year ago
"to deny God is to deny rights."
thats like saying i don't believe in the earth, because god made it and i don't believe in god. I do believe in rights/god is just don't think God is the cause of them.
And i'm saying although you might claim and believe that the two are not compatible. For instance who's interpretation of the bible should be used then?
And the freedom religion argument still stands.
liesandtricks 1 year ago
Christian's believe in absolutes, and for one thing there is no way that anyone on this earth can not AT ALL believe that God does not exist, it is against our nature. Deep down, each of us know that he exists, but most don't want to admit it. You can throw questions at me all you want but it will never phase me. If you are trying to convince me to stop believing in God it won't work, and if you're trying to convince yourselves that He does not exist then that won't work either.
guardianofthewood 1 year ago
I know you believe in absolutes, kinda makes you look insecure. Yes we al born believing in Allah...oh wait did you mean some one else?
I have no intention of disproving god or getting you to believe something else. Al I'm doing i pointing out the flaws in your claims. Your idea that where al born with a belief in god is baseless. I do not feel him in my hart of precieve him in my mind. And i have tried. And the whole thing about convincing one self sounds like your projecting.
liesandtricks 1 year ago
Really? Because I don't believe 'AT ALL' in god.
So I guess you're wrong, huh?
oogaboogan 1 year ago
No, I am not. Like I said 'deep down' we all know he is real, but some do not want to admit it, so it is buried beneath layers and layers of all the stupidity that is being taught in schools today about evolution and that leads to an atheistic world view.
Tell me, though, how I am supposed to prove anything to you people when you are not willing to listen? All you do is suck up what I say and then find a way to use it against me. I am sick of this.
guardianofthewood 1 year ago
Yes, you are wrong.
Dead wrong.
I do not believe in god, and the belief is not "buried". You are describing your fantasy, not reality. And no, schools do not teach people to be atheistic. If the gnosticly religious had the ability to think for themselves (something a loving god would support) they would realize evolution and religion don't have to conflict. The bible was a piece of fiction used to teach morals, and the lack of science drove them to fabricate explanations for the layman
oogaboogan 1 year ago
You don't listen to me - so why should I afford you the same courtesy?
I told you my beliefs - instead YOU ignored them and presumed to tell me what I believe "deep down".
You're ignorant, and you're a disgrace to rational thought.
oogaboogan 1 year ago
I understand your beliefs, I even respect them, but that does not mean that I agree with it, and that does not mean that I will not counter it with what I know. Please, just once would you even consider (for just a moment) that you believe what I believe in? For just a moment could you try and understand what I am trying to tell you? I am trying to tell you about something wonderful.
guardianofthewood 1 year ago
"by their creator that all men are created equal." Hmmm, that depends who you thought created you.
Personally, its self-evident that my mom and dad created me.
And what is this woman doing talking? I didn't give you permission, she's not equal to me *sarcasm*
mooky1977 2 years ago 2
Come on guys, nobody has ever stood up in front of people ready to claim a nation for themselves with the intent of coming to a rational consensus and agreement of rights and laws between founders and civilians based on deductive reasoning. It's not possible without God. Even if those founders and civilians enforced that law by appointing men of service to uphold the integrity of the law they themselves created. No way you can't beat down people with a nightstick that dont obey laws without God.
dyzziedyazn 2 years ago
For the record, it says "Natures God". That is a deist term. Clearly we all should become deists now! (sarcasm)
How about you actually read the first paragraph and try to understand it this time?
Mojofilter17 2 years ago
For the record... This video was made by morons.
Darklingza 2 years ago 5
Well, this still doesn't address the fact that science and a better grasp on reality has poked so many holes in the old hackneyed book that it makes the entire discussion irrelevant. All due respect, I don't care whether the FF's believed or did not believe in the Judeo-Christian super-natural fairy godfather -- EVERYONE should know better at this point. Abrahamic religions have failed to evolve and evolution affects all living things; therefore, the Abrahamic religions must be dead.
teeterGray 2 years ago
Science has a better grasp on reality? Oh my gosh, really? What are people being taught in public schools these days?
guardianofthewood 2 years ago
Poe's Law.
AdamOwl 2 years ago 3
Wow, I bet this guy thought his video would be well received. What a jackass.
broadcastyamum 2 years ago
How many times was the word "God" used in the Constitution?
DKshad0w 2 years ago 4
This is a lie spread by those Christians who hate and despise the United States of America. They hate the fact that we are a nation of many people from many lands who follow many faiths. They hate the fact that the Christian faith is not officially recognized as the faith of the United States. They hate the fact that there are those who can chose to follow no faith at all without undue consequences.
DEricKesler 2 years ago 4
The founding fathers, like the ones who wrote the Declaration of Independence, were not fundamentalist Christians. They were deists who were heavily influenced by the Enlightenment. They did not in any way shape or form conceive of America as some sort of Fascist Theocracy. That is why the establishment clause was placed in the very first amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.
DEricKesler 2 years ago 3
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DEricKesler 2 years ago
I hope your god gives you all ass cancer, from reddit bitches!!!!!
afj500 2 years ago
O.o Pursuit of happiness!
I am happy using logical reasoning and using real, substantiated evidence in my opinion and I'm happy knowing the difference between fact and opinion. Clearly, these people are happy doing the opposite. but, for lack of a better phrase, god help em!
hobomidget 2 years ago
Face.... meet Palm.
DLDude 2 years ago 9
The US is not a christian nation. The United States was based not on christian, biblical ideals, rather Roman, Republican ideals. President Washington explicity stated in a letters that the US was not a christian nation. Your welcom to your views and beliefs, but you willfully disregard the facts. the euphism "God given" is the only mention of god in the Declaration. The US Constitution mentions only that congress "shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion"
decrim 2 years ago 7
For the record this video is retarded and should have been aborted.
bignog4life 2 years ago 14
Creator..... hmmm.... My parents ?
migraine516 2 years ago 9
you are a moron...
sreustle 2 years ago 4
The phrase "endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights" means each person is merely born with rights that cannot be taken away. People need to start understanding the spirit of the law rather than taking it literally.
meinsla 2 years ago 3
The Declaration of Independence has no force of law. If you want to codify your theocratic fascist ideology, you must amend the Constitution or destroy the nation. Given the lack of success the theocrats have had with the former throughout our nation's history, your are probably best served with the latter.
Good luck with that. Say "hi" to your buddy Osama while you're at it.
hilmera0 2 years ago 8
This video is so full of bullshit, it's not even funny. I'm talking serious level 90 retard bullshit. These people are doing everything they can to rewrite history. Fucking stupid assholes.
skeeterou 2 years ago 7
You do realize that the deceleration of independence is not a legal document, you dumb fuck.
thequantumflux 2 years ago 7
If these rights are "god given" then why did he wait almost 1800 years after the death of his son to codify them in a random nation's founding documents?
Oh, wait, your god and his mythology are just that: myth. We've given these rights to ourselves, and we continue to grant new rights as time moves forward.
And who stands firm against these new rights, every single time? That's right, religion, and specifically the christian right.
Shut up, go away and let us get on with progress.
sakodak 2 years ago 13
In 1789, African-Americans were defined in the Constitution as 3/5 of a person for counting representation, and could not vote at all. (Constitution's Article 1, section 2, and elsewhere)
Point is: things change. A non-existent deity cannot give or take away what people have conjured up. Only people can.
ericragle 2 years ago 9
I love stupidity just because it is so entertaining.
spookypen 2 years ago 4