Beethoven - Symphony No 1: Movement 3

[cynThia19739]

HOW SOMEONE CAN DISLIKE THISSSS D=

[3530JC]

says 'played on original instrument' - well shouldn't all these masterpieces be played now, as they did then ? they were written for those instruments at that time ?

[derekkorffkorn]

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[derekkorffkorn]

Great



[Lewisyii]

@superiorbandgeek scherzo was a phrase which was rarely used at the time beethoven wrote this, it became a more popular phrase after his first symphony

[whizzball1]

The one person who disliked this should deaf, not Beethoven.

[KingLegendary1]

@Pgh416 i thought this chain mail shit is dead its been like 5 years?

[paulolus]

Justin Bieber could'nt stand the awesomeness of the music. Thus, 1 dislike.

[baijokull]

@paulolus Justin Bieber must be achieving something, since he has penetrated even the minds of ones who favor spectacular music like this...

[metalheadrocker44]

@baijokull his a brief fame bullshit this is real music no matter how old this music is always there for us forever not his bull crap mindless tasteless fans at least we love classical music so people don't really need to mention his name it ain't worth it at all

[poetry551]

will someone inform me of the year of this fine symphony please and thank you

[pianapetey]

@poetry551 c. 1795

[ennoente]

There is a 4th movement, you know... I didnt know it either

[CanisLupus379]

-.- at every classic music video peole alway fight about sth... O.o why do they do that? cant' they just enjoy the song and ignore those mentally defective comments??

i like this a lot ^^ but is too short =(

[yengacnuahs]

The only thing for me that is an issue with Mozart is that, as a trombonist, there isn't much for me haha. If I played a string instrument, then maybe. Beethoven at least gave us the 4th movement of symphony 5.

[yengacnuahs]

I didn't say Haydn taught Beethoven. I didn't even think it. Get your head out of your ass. Go practice.

[Sviolinist]

@yengacnuahs I'm totally beyond that point and trying to have a conversation with you. I just DID practice, so now I'm talking. I'm an alcoholic. Let's get passed our mutual insults and talk music!

[Sviolinist]

@yengacnuahs Anyway I was saying that you can hardly make the point that Beethoven led or created this revolution in tonality. That began much earlier, with people like Mozart. And I know you're thinking that Mozart's music is rather tame, but I can show you in scores the things that Mozart did to combat the label of "Dissonant" artist. All the random grace notes that you see in his music, for instance, are non-harmonic tones. They are written to show his dissenters the tonality

[Sviolinist]

The horrible violin mistake after 0:45 - why did these musicians bother purchasing period instruments? Lessons would have been more appropriate =D.

[yengacnuahs]

@Sviolinist The thing is though, you didn't tell ME to read up on Beethoven. I found this video yesterday. Seriously. You're talking to the wrong person on that one.

[Sviolinist]

@yengacnuahs "WTF" as far as tonality goes is a bit of stretch with modern ears. Sure, to 19th century ears, Beethoven's tonality was all over the place. He began this first symphony in C with a C7 chord! I suppose you could make the argument that his idea of tonality was a bit advanced... but your argument is rather moot when compared to Mozart's 6 quartet's dedicated to Haydn ("Dissonant" left musicians in revolt against Mozart). You can hardly make the claim that Beethoven

[wwetnafanboy]

awesome 

[maxjamesorgans]

This is a very good piece, but I'm sure that you'll all agree that the complexity and climaxes of the later works put a work like this into the shade.

[herbiehusker13]

@maxjamesorgans

Agreed. Of course, you have to realize that from the time Beethoven wrote this piece to the time he finished the 9th and began his 10th, the world of music (largely due to him) had transformed from Classical to Romantic, which explains what you're talking about. In that sense, comparing his 1st and 2nd to 7th and 9th is almost apples to oranges.

[finalaxy148]

Frankly, I don't  give a fuck if it's a menuet, a scherzo or a sonata, it's just fantastic music. but then, I might give more interest if I know what movements and such was all about xD

[hedegaard8]

@finalaxy148 oh me too!!!

[TheLeon96Ahuel]

yes... where's the movement 4 ?

[TheRaf87]

@TheLeon96Ahuel

for some reason it's under "Fourth Movement" :D

[TheLeon96Ahuel]

@TheRaf87 yes

[UnexpectedWonder]

@TheLeon96Ahuel it's on the Side now in suggestions.

[TheLeon96Ahuel]

@UnexpectedWonder yes, i know, but I was asking him, he only has the movement 1, 2 and 3. do you understand? :S

[UnexpectedWonder]

@TheLeon96Ahuel Understood.

[TheLeon96Ahuel]

@UnexpectedWonder cool :P

[tedsword]

Where's the video for the fourth movement?

[dajohnthomas69]

there is something in the tones which is so intense despite it's buoyancy...

[Drakes5ter]

i just enjoyed this simphony!!! he was, he is and he will be so amazing

[superiorbandgeek]

I know this is one of the works in Beethoven's "early" period and he respected Haydn and Mozart, but I never understood why he called this a "minuet." This is most definitely a scherzo (one of my favorites I might add).

[thisisntagoodname]

@superiorbandgeek Beethoven was a funny man. He did stuff like that every so often.

[superiorbandgeek]

@thisisntagoodname That's Beethoven for ya. But doing deeper score study, I find that this isn't really that outrageous. Haydn's last symphonies featured menuets that were significantly faster than what would be "appropriate" for such a dance. And in his string quartets, he deviated from the form so much that he was the first to replace menuet with scherzo. Beethoven just took over, and developed it further.

[Sviolinist]

@superiorbandgeek Deeper score study? Your studies seem to be nothing more than looking at tempo markings. You're a fool if this is what you believe. Where the hell did you find a menuetto in Haydn's repertoire that transitions from semi-C major to Db major? Screw you. You're a robot. How DARE you compare this symphony to Haydn. You're a fool. Listen about a thousand more times, and MAYBE you'll get it.

[superiorbandgeek]

@Sviolinist First of all you have serious angry issues. Second of all how dare I compare Beethoven's first symphony to that of his teacher: wait HAYDN WAS HIS TEACHER! And you make it sound like Haydn was some second rate composer. if you believe that, than not only are you a fool but a dumbass. And I agree score study involves much more than tempo, the only point I was trying to make is that there ARE similarities between Beethoven and Haydn and how they approached the form.

[Sviolinist]

@superiorbandgeek You're not a scholar of Beethoven. No Beethoven scholar would EVER say that Haydn was his teacher. Haydn spent about half of a week teaching Beethoven. His real teacher was Salieri. Any real scholar knows that. Why don't you try opening a book? I suggest BEETHOVEN by Maynard Solomon. Read it, then tell me about what you know. Haydn was definitely no second rate composer. His Oxford symphony gives me tears. Still - you have a musical education ahead of you. Read the Solomon.

[yengacnuahs]

@Sviolinist ummm. why the fuck does it matter? Beethoven was a genius. we all know that. Haydn was brilliant too. The original discussion had nothing to do with tonal centers, and as we all know Beethoven loved making us say "what the fuck?" when it came to tonality. The main difference between the scherzo and the minuet, as far as I can tell, is tempo/mood. is he wrong in bringing that point up? hell to the no. so calm the fuck down bro.

[yengacnuahs]

@Sviolinist

You really are a dumbass then. You can analyze Beethoven among the best, because apparently you are the best, and Haydn makes you cry. And yet, you can't even read!! Imagine that! just because someone has a long account name doesn't mean it's the same as someone else. So spare us the petty insults and go back to practicing your violin, I'm sure the NY Phil needs such a fine musician as you and they'll be calling any day now, ya?

[Sviolinist]

@yengacnuahs I really touched a nerve =D - You fail to get the main point of my messages, though. You haven't really read up on Beethoven's bio. Haydn didn't teach him. Your dismissal of "who cares" to this factual retort of mine just backs up the fool label that I gave you. Enjoy.

[Sviolinist]

@yengacnuahs I dare you to go up to Beethoven and tell him that Haydn taught him. In the afterlife... or after a time machine travel event... I don't care. I would also like to watch him punch you and or insult your mother.

[marcsdonnelly]

@Sviolinist

From Grove:

Urging Beethoven to study with Haydn, Waldstein said, "With the help of assiduous labour you shall receive Mozart’s spirit from Haydn’s hands."

"Beethoven arrived in Vienna,...in the second week of November 1792.

...

Within weeks of his arrival...the instruction from Haydn which had been the purpose of his journey had already begun.

Haydn’s tuition lasted for no longer than about a year; in January 1794 he left Vienna. "

More than 1/2 a week. No.1 was composed 5yrs later.

[byranntherockstar1]

@superiorbandgeek Yes, I was reading something which said that even though the tempo is "Allegro molto e vivace," it could actually be considered a scherzo, not only due to how fast it was, but also because it contains certain elements pertaining to the scherzo form

[joboy1992jesto]

@superiorbandgeek lol i didnt even know he called it a minuet, this like even too fast to even dance to. definitely a scherzo

[Musicalme96]

@superiorbandgeek it is the minuet movement, even if it is not in the style of a minuet

[gleedads]

Thanks earthatic. I always enjoy hearing period instrument recordings. What orchestra is this?

[pacoenigmatic]

I thoroughly enjoyed this symphony.

Thanks a lot

shalom

[CussBuster]

Good considering that the recording was entirely your own, but the backgrounds do nothing to help the music.

[Caecarulf]

Great music! Beethoven was a good friend to the swedish king: Karl XIV Johan!

Friendly

Ulf Sawert. Sweden

[VKatze]

Gorgeous....@.@