Does the guy walking around outside get to hitch a ride with you? Or does he have to walk all the way back? In my home country all the humans on their feet climb back onto the tug to ride back in.
@timothyngim Hi - if it's a short push, the guys will usually walk back, but in a case like this, they will usually jump in the tug. Weather also has a lot to do with that decision! lol
@neilsmith749atmsn So for B777 its not a short push right? Feel kinda sorry for those guys anyway. In my home country the spaces are tight therefore normally its a long push. But long or short they will always jump back ON the tug, irrespective of weather. And the tug is normally driven on both ends.
@CaptainCruise1 From a strictly financial point of view, you'd get better pay at AC, though it would take about 8 years (I think) to get to top rate, without taking a Lead position, which is someone who is in charge of a crew. You'd also get better benefits at AC. You'll never become a millionaire doing this job, and it's pretty tough at the start when you're only making minimum wage, especially in the winter. If you have a better option, you may want to consider that - just being realistic.
Just for my own information. Am I mistaken or was that a personal phone call you were on? I mean you have a certain amount of responsibility to the passengers on that plane, no? Focus? And not in the best weather! Just a thought...
@Lupineproductions Thanks for the comment. I should clarify that it was the cameraman who was talking on the phone, not me, the driver. Usually, we don't have anyone in the tug while pushing. I do wholeheartedly agree with you that cellphones should NOT be used on the ramp - I never do myself (don't even own one - lol), and don't even like answering the radio while working flights.
@neilsmith749atmsn Thanks for the clarification and more importantly, thanks for your professionalism and concern for safety! Sadly, cell phones have been the cause of so many accidents in so many incidents involving various forms transportation. Nothing more need be said, other than continued success in all you do and once again, gratitude from one of the people who puts their safety in your hands.
@factoredin I don't want to discourage you, but it really isn't the greatest place to work anymore. The pay hasn't kept up with the economy, so what was once a fairly lucrative job really isn't anymore. Admittedly, there are probably a lot worse jobs out there, but I'm sure there are a lot of better jobs too. I've been there for over 14 years, and it can be very frustrating sometimes. But if you're really interested, Air Canada is often hiring - just go to the website. I work 6 on, 3 off.
@Ahuntsicspotter Actually, the 1600 or 1700 flight from YYZ to YUL is usually a widebody - either a B777 or an A330. I know it seems strange on such a short route, but it's usually full with both passengers and cargo.
Greetings from LAX great job. Wow your equipment is spanking new while ours is all beat up LOL. Pushing back on a slippery surface can be dangerous just to let people know in general.
@honest413 Actually, our equipment does indeed look new, for the first week or so, then it's all dented and scratched!!! I think that paymover was only a month or two old when that was filmed - it's pretty beaten up now - just like most of our stuff!
@scotthart2 Haha No fucking way, we called it Circusair too. That place was such a Joke. Needed to get onto an Airline Fast. GOOD guys to work with, dont get me wrong, but... what a circus...
@LafreniereJ hahaha....you got that right my friend, great people to work with and many great memories with the company on the ground, but the company itself was absolutely shit....
She's a beauty. ACA's first T7, Reg C-FITL, fin 731 (as seen on the nose gear doors). Those GE90's sure stand out...being the most powerful jet engine to be used by an aircraft. Hope to be flying one of these some day.
@AirCanada014 No - this one is strictly for tow bars. Our towbarless tugs are pretty much strictly used for towing planes between gates and the hangers. Hope that answers your question.
damn that was awesome video for the pushback. was that 200 or 300 series? Please I hope you do some more videos like that even on A330 or B767s. Nicely done I'll give you 10 stars :)
Careful what you wish for - bigger planes mean MORE baggage!!! Ever crawled into the front hold of an Embraer E-190 with 100 bags? Not cool....no, definitely not cool...
@ncmike2007 The novelty wears off REALLY quickly!! I'm happy doing my little 320's now - those big ones are WAY too labor intensive!!! I must be getting old! lol
Can it be fixed? because this is one awsome pushback man! I myself know that in the wet... its all glass and to nail like you did it can be very tough. Atleast its a 777 though, much easier aircraft to push then say a C-17 that you cant see under.
Thanks TND4NOS. I don't have that vid anymore, so I can't re-submit it. Does anyone know how I can contact someone at YOUTUBE to ask what has happened? Because it's been something on their end that has chopped this vid. I haven't done anything.
Can't say I know who Roy DeLaurier is, but he sounds like a legend!
Just a quick note - I have to say that for the most part, YYC is one of the best stations for loading planes properly and efficiently (ie. very little or nothing in the bulk of containerized aircraft) and getting connections and priority near the doors - keep up the great work! If only the guys in YUL could learn from you guys!
That's funny, in YUL we're saying the same thing about YYZ ;). I guess the bottom line is wherever you go a lot of guys don't give a crap how the bags are loaded, personally I always load TB and FB in the door whenever possible (damn 321s).
No problem - and, admittely, I do have to agree with you about the whole cellphone issue. Officially, cellphones are not supposed to be used on the ramp, but it's something that has never really been enforced. I think it should be, at least while operating any equipment.
i like the guy in the pax seat of the tractor was on his cellphone and then said 'we should send this to training!'
now i realize why toronto had FOUR incidents of aircraft damage in february. not only are ACGHS staff overpaid and under worked, they don't give a shit about safety.
at AC, ramp crews work in teams of three or four, each one having a role for that day. for example, the number one would put the bridge on arrival, jump in a pit, and then wing walk, while the number two would apply the ground power, drive the bags, and then push back. so a guy on his first day who is the number two will do a pushback. btw, the heavies like the 777s and 767s are way easier to push than an RJ.
I'm not sure where PHOBAL gets his info, but it's not entirely correct. On my crew anyway, nothing is that set in stone. We all take turns doing different things, and it works out well. Usually, I, as the lead, would do the pushbacks, but if another guy wants to do it, and I feel they're capable, then they can go ahead and do it. To say that a guy who is in his first day would push back a plane is ludicrous.
All part of the job - I'm a lead station attendant for air canada in toronto, which means I'm in charge of a crew that works the flights on the ground (loading and unloading, etc) and pushing the planes is just the final part of working a flight. Training to push was just on the job, with someone sitting where the cameraman is, supervising. Hope that helps.
don't forget that the guy sitting on the right has to be on his cell phone while "supervising" the pushback driver who jokes about aircraft damage. after all, phone calls can never wait, but safety and job security can. it's simply the air canada way.
this is the kind of BS that leads to layoffs and suspicion in the work place that AC is trying to outsource our work. but of course, it's all Mgmt's fault.
I think you've got your facts a little mixed up. The guy driving is ME, the lead. The camera guy was just along for the ride.
I'm not trying to pick a fight Phobal, but whitewashing saying that everyone at AC in toronto doesn't care about safety is totally inaccurate. Sure we have a some real "winners" as every company does, but for the most part, most people have really taken a safety-first type of attitude.
I love listening to the GE90s start when I am airside at YYZ. Beautiful
joshster89 3 days ago
do you mean acy international sorry for spelling in new jersey
statetropper12 3 days ago
super bueno tu pushback casi al cansas el nivel de scl
rampachile 2 weeks ago
2:07 #7 of the top 10 things you do NOT want to here from the ground/flight crew.
flightoffancy31 1 month ago
Does the guy walking around outside get to hitch a ride with you? Or does he have to walk all the way back? In my home country all the humans on their feet climb back onto the tug to ride back in.
timothyngim 1 month ago
@timothyngim Hi - if it's a short push, the guys will usually walk back, but in a case like this, they will usually jump in the tug. Weather also has a lot to do with that decision! lol
neilsmith749atmsn 1 month ago
@neilsmith749atmsn So for B777 its not a short push right? Feel kinda sorry for those guys anyway. In my home country the spaces are tight therefore normally its a long push. But long or short they will always jump back ON the tug, irrespective of weather. And the tug is normally driven on both ends.
timothyngim 1 month ago
What would you say would be a better way to go swissport or air canada ground crew???
CaptainCruise1 2 months ago
@CaptainCruise1 From a strictly financial point of view, you'd get better pay at AC, though it would take about 8 years (I think) to get to top rate, without taking a Lead position, which is someone who is in charge of a crew. You'd also get better benefits at AC. You'll never become a millionaire doing this job, and it's pretty tough at the start when you're only making minimum wage, especially in the winter. If you have a better option, you may want to consider that - just being realistic.
neilsmith749atmsn 2 months ago
Just for my own information. Am I mistaken or was that a personal phone call you were on? I mean you have a certain amount of responsibility to the passengers on that plane, no? Focus? And not in the best weather! Just a thought...
Lupineproductions 2 months ago
@Lupineproductions Thanks for the comment. I should clarify that it was the cameraman who was talking on the phone, not me, the driver. Usually, we don't have anyone in the tug while pushing. I do wholeheartedly agree with you that cellphones should NOT be used on the ramp - I never do myself (don't even own one - lol), and don't even like answering the radio while working flights.
neilsmith749atmsn 2 months ago
@neilsmith749atmsn Thanks for the clarification and more importantly, thanks for your professionalism and concern for safety! Sadly, cell phones have been the cause of so many accidents in so many incidents involving various forms transportation. Nothing more need be said, other than continued success in all you do and once again, gratitude from one of the people who puts their safety in your hands.
Lupineproductions 2 months ago
@factoredin I don't want to discourage you, but it really isn't the greatest place to work anymore. The pay hasn't kept up with the economy, so what was once a fairly lucrative job really isn't anymore. Admittedly, there are probably a lot worse jobs out there, but I'm sure there are a lot of better jobs too. I've been there for over 14 years, and it can be very frustrating sometimes. But if you're really interested, Air Canada is often hiring - just go to the website. I work 6 on, 3 off.
neilsmith749atmsn 3 months ago 2
AC 417 is going where?
Ahuntsicspotter 3 months ago
@Ahuntsicspotter AC418 is a 1600h departure from Toronto to Montreal.
neilsmith749atmsn 3 months ago
@neilsmith749atmsn Thanks it maybe for the repositioning.
Ahuntsicspotter 3 months ago
@Ahuntsicspotter Actually, the 1600 or 1700 flight from YYZ to YUL is usually a widebody - either a B777 or an A330. I know it seems strange on such a short route, but it's usually full with both passengers and cargo.
neilsmith749atmsn 3 months ago
The registration is C-FITL
Ceasar1030 6 months ago
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letmebe010101 6 months ago
@letmebe010101 Actually, it's Toronto.
neilsmith749atmsn 6 months ago
Cool vid..I fly into YYZ all the time, but we park at gates 256/258.
dyockey 8 months ago
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aircraft 731 was my first 777 pushback !!
mikeholmescarp 9 months ago
aircraft 731 was my first 777 pushback !!
mikeholmescarp 9 months ago
Greetings from LAX great job. Wow your equipment is spanking new while ours is all beat up LOL. Pushing back on a slippery surface can be dangerous just to let people know in general.
honest413 10 months ago
@honest413 Actually, our equipment does indeed look new, for the first week or so, then it's all dented and scratched!!! I think that paymover was only a month or two old when that was filmed - it's pretty beaten up now - just like most of our stuff!
neilsmith749atmsn 10 months ago
Great video!
rich12508 1 year ago
what airport is this and great job
MultiMonster69 1 year ago
@MultiMonster69 Thanks - it's YYZ (Toronto's Pearson Airport)
neilsmith749atmsn 1 year ago
Servisair-Pushback, towing and repositioning for ground handling in the UK.
tetramoo 1 year ago
@tetramoo I used to be a ground handling instructor for Circusair
scotthart2 1 year ago
@scotthart2 Haha No fucking way, we called it Circusair too. That place was such a Joke. Needed to get onto an Airline Fast. GOOD guys to work with, dont get me wrong, but... what a circus...
LafreniereJ 3 months ago
@LafreniereJ hahaha....you got that right my friend, great people to work with and many great memories with the company on the ground, but the company itself was absolutely shit....
scotthart2 3 months ago
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tetramoo 1 year ago
She's a beauty. ACA's first T7, Reg C-FITL, fin 731 (as seen on the nose gear doors). Those GE90's sure stand out...being the most powerful jet engine to be used by an aircraft. Hope to be flying one of these some day.
StCatharinesRailFan8 1 year ago
What airline?
tehnoobzpwnerrofl 1 year ago
@tehnoobzpwnerrofl Air Canada
StCatharinesRailFan8 1 year ago
That's one clean pushback and towbar. Nothing like that here at PHL!
gazebodp 1 year ago
Hey Neilsmith is that tow truck can be used as towbarless?
AirCanada014 1 year ago
@AirCanada014 No - this one is strictly for tow bars. Our towbarless tugs are pretty much strictly used for towing planes between gates and the hangers. Hope that answers your question.
neilsmith749atmsn 1 year ago
damn that was awesome video for the pushback. was that 200 or 300 series? Please I hope you do some more videos like that even on A330 or B767s. Nicely done I'll give you 10 stars :)
AirCanada014 1 year ago
@AirCanada014 Thanks for the comments! It was the big one - the 300 series.
neilsmith749atmsn 1 year ago
Dude that was an incredible sharp push! Now, can you please get rid of Air Georgian and send some bigger planes to PWM? we'd appreciate that lol.
FireFeniX203 1 year ago
@FireFeniX203
Careful what you wish for - bigger planes mean MORE baggage!!! Ever crawled into the front hold of an Embraer E-190 with 100 bags? Not cool....no, definitely not cool...
neilsmith749atmsn 1 year ago
@neilsmith749atmsn BAG PULLL!!!
jahulian 1 year ago
you guys are lucky in yyz we and yyc dont see much 777 anymore
ncmike2007 1 year ago
@ncmike2007 The novelty wears off REALLY quickly!! I'm happy doing my little 320's now - those big ones are WAY too labor intensive!!! I must be getting old! lol
neilsmith749atmsn 1 year ago
how does it feel to push a air canada 777 and soon the 787 with the tiny tug
FSXflyer12 1 year ago
Oh and t300s all the way !
JustinToXiCPiG 1 year ago
Haaha "got time for a smoke?" suuuure do. Great push man looked like lane 5?? Cheers
JustinToXiCPiG 1 year ago
@neilsmith749atmsn
Sorry - just noticed I made a mistake on point 1 - I meant that it's AC's SOP to disconnect from the tug first, then the nosegear.
neilsmith749atmsn 1 year ago
Do U Still Work For Air Canada?
DCSHOECOUSA901 2 years ago
Yep - 13 years now!
neilsmith749atmsn 2 years ago
One question...Got time for a smoke?
aldude99 2 years ago
Have you ever wished you could be flying those birds, instead of tugging them?
Einhander49 2 years ago
Few questions...
-Why do you disconnect the tug from the towbar, back-up, and then disconnect it from the nose gear, then reconnect it to the tug?
-Why do you not brake to stop the airplane at the end of the push?
-And do most tugs have manual or automatic transmission?
Thanks.
jahulian 2 years ago
@jahulian
Well, to answer your questions,
1 - It's Air Canada's SOP (standard operating procedure) to disconnect from the tug first, so we gotta follow the rules.
2 - I actually was braking very gently. That, along with the thrust from the engines allows for a very smooth stop,
3 - Pretty much every piece of equipment we use has automatic transmissions, with the exception of some old air-conditioning units.
Hope that answers your questions.
neilsmith749atmsn 1 year ago
That was awesome, and very entertaining. Good job.
Greetings from holland
johnbeyer 2 years ago
ive been on that exact briitsh airways 777
familymio 2 years ago
AHA I GOT THE FULL VIDEO! CLICK HQ
familymio 2 years ago
Wow - it DOES still work!!! Thanks for the info!
neilsmith749atmsn 2 years ago
no problem :D
familymio 2 years ago
Aww, thats crap. Stupid youtube.
TND4NOS 2 years ago
click HQ, it works !!! :D
familymio 2 years ago
Can it be fixed? because this is one awsome pushback man! I myself know that in the wet... its all glass and to nail like you did it can be very tough. Atleast its a 777 though, much easier aircraft to push then say a C-17 that you cant see under.
TND4NOS 3 years ago
Thanks TND4NOS. I don't have that vid anymore, so I can't re-submit it. Does anyone know how I can contact someone at YOUTUBE to ask what has happened? Because it's been something on their end that has chopped this vid. I haven't done anything.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
neilsmith749atmsn 3 years ago
you would have marshalls at the back of the c-17 to tell u where to go ive seen it before
bactatank 2 years ago
Yes possibly but not all the time. They also reverse out themselves alot.
TND4NOS 2 years ago
what the plane uses revers thrust to push back???
bactatank 2 years ago
The c-17... google it.
TND4NOS 2 years ago
what for i already know bout it
bactatank 2 years ago
Why can i only view 5 secs of this video?
TND4NOS 3 years ago
Humm - that's strange. It used to be about 2 or 3 minutes long. Somehow it must have gotten chopped - not sure why!
neilsmith749atmsn 3 years ago
what airline is this?
calvin5656 3 years ago
It's Air Canada. It was a B777-300 from Toronto to Montreal.
neilsmith749atmsn 3 years ago
ohh thanks man.
calvin5656 3 years ago
nice push.
AC lead in YQR here
gcguest 3 years ago
does he still work there
blackriverramps12 3 years ago
If you're talking about the driver (me), then, yes, I still work in Toronto, and if all goes well, will retire here too!
neilsmith749atmsn 3 years ago
nice Vid...
must have been a long walk back to 124 for the tow-bar guy.
riaruh 3 years ago
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phobal 3 years ago
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phobal 3 years ago
Can't say I know who Roy DeLaurier is, but he sounds like a legend!
Just a quick note - I have to say that for the most part, YYC is one of the best stations for loading planes properly and efficiently (ie. very little or nothing in the bulk of containerized aircraft) and getting connections and priority near the doors - keep up the great work! If only the guys in YUL could learn from you guys!
neilsmith749atmsn 3 years ago
That's funny, in YUL we're saying the same thing about YYZ ;). I guess the bottom line is wherever you go a lot of guys don't give a crap how the bags are loaded, personally I always load TB and FB in the door whenever possible (damn 321s).
Nice push by the way.
AC870 3 years ago
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phobal 3 years ago
No problem - and, admittely, I do have to agree with you about the whole cellphone issue. Officially, cellphones are not supposed to be used on the ramp, but it's something that has never really been enforced. I think it should be, at least while operating any equipment.
What station are you in phobal?
neilsmith749atmsn 3 years ago
i like the guy in the pax seat of the tractor was on his cellphone and then said 'we should send this to training!'
now i realize why toronto had FOUR incidents of aircraft damage in february. not only are ACGHS staff overpaid and under worked, they don't give a shit about safety.
phobal 3 years ago
While safety is always a concern, accidents do happen. For someone to say we don't give a shit about safety couldn't be further from the truth.
Just curious Phobal, where do you work?
neilsmith749atmsn 3 years ago
Would a newbie on the job be put on the job as a tug driver, or would one generally have to start at a lower position and work their way up into it?
StoneC0ld5345 3 years ago
at AC, ramp crews work in teams of three or four, each one having a role for that day. for example, the number one would put the bridge on arrival, jump in a pit, and then wing walk, while the number two would apply the ground power, drive the bags, and then push back. so a guy on his first day who is the number two will do a pushback. btw, the heavies like the 777s and 767s are way easier to push than an RJ.
phobal 3 years ago
I'm not sure where PHOBAL gets his info, but it's not entirely correct. On my crew anyway, nothing is that set in stone. We all take turns doing different things, and it works out well. Usually, I, as the lead, would do the pushbacks, but if another guy wants to do it, and I feel they're capable, then they can go ahead and do it. To say that a guy who is in his first day would push back a plane is ludicrous.
neilsmith749atmsn 3 years ago
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phobal 3 years ago
All I'm saying is that no one is asked or expected to do anything that they're not fully trained or comfortable doing.
neilsmith749atmsn 3 years ago
I drive 77W also in CDG AIRPORT BUT WITH A TPX 500S
olivier00006 3 years ago
Id love to try pushing back a 777, but i have pushed a 747 before =)
kien569 4 years ago
Hi, want kinf of test did you take to become a tug driver? was it hard? i wanna become one too st schiphol amsterdam airport.
Thnx :)
aircharts 4 years ago
All part of the job - I'm a lead station attendant for air canada in toronto, which means I'm in charge of a crew that works the flights on the ground (loading and unloading, etc) and pushing the planes is just the final part of working a flight. Training to push was just on the job, with someone sitting where the cameraman is, supervising. Hope that helps.
Cheers
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neilsmith749atmsn 4 years ago
thnx
aircharts 3 years ago
don't forget that the guy sitting on the right has to be on his cell phone while "supervising" the pushback driver who jokes about aircraft damage. after all, phone calls can never wait, but safety and job security can. it's simply the air canada way.
this is the kind of BS that leads to layoffs and suspicion in the work place that AC is trying to outsource our work. but of course, it's all Mgmt's fault.
phobal 3 years ago
I think you've got your facts a little mixed up. The guy driving is ME, the lead. The camera guy was just along for the ride.
I'm not trying to pick a fight Phobal, but whitewashing saying that everyone at AC in toronto doesn't care about safety is totally inaccurate. Sure we have a some real "winners" as every company does, but for the most part, most people have really taken a safety-first type of attitude.
neilsmith749atmsn 3 years ago
Haven't seen that perspective before...
maxudaskin 4 years ago
You're not the first. +1 Always wondered what it would be like. xD
PilotOfNorway91 3 years ago
great video !!
777cpt 4 years ago