Deus Ex: Human Revolution - Ending (1 of 4) - Self-Destruct

[nerfman55]

I chose them all and got the 50G achievement. No, i'm kidding, but seriously, stop trying to damage your brain by figuring out what the best ending is.

[TheBroadribb]

The reason I didn't choose this was because humans don't have a choice, our choices are made by lying politicians. We vote for the lies not the truth under their lies. This is why humans do not have a freedom of choice or democracy. Darrow's message was clear the technology would be used for dominance and destruction and it is very relevant in our day to day lives. Humanity is run by the corrupted minority not the majority, once we understand that all good things will flourish.

[iPodion]

The thing I don't like about this ending is that Jensen assumes is society and mankind are some universal being who will come to a unanimous decision. No matter what happens, there will always be tons of people fighting for the other way. Humanity won't all get together and peacefully come to a conclusion.

[20BFC3S]

@iPodion Mankind never has, in thousands of years, so we probably are incapable of it.. War has been around forever, and assuming we are descendants from primates, war preceded mankind.. I'm as much of a pacifist as the next guy, but i feel like i have to accept that war might be human nature..

[lifelonglessson]

The first endind I choosed! (The best)

[charlotteforte91]

The other endings left me raw and questioning about my own morals, but this one... last time i cried during a game ending was about 9 years ago and now look at me: my hand covering my mouth, tears rolling down my face... And now i don't know if i'd ever chose this ending or not. Adam and the other innocent's sacrifice was too much and yet, maybe it would be best to let us, the common folk, decide our own fate. But then again all endings left me wondering. And that's why i loved this game <3

[NeonClock]

The true ending probably had Adam survive along with everyone else. He had no intention to kill people, and he was looking forward to talk to the woman about his past. He probably spoke to Sarif saying he was through being everyone's pawn and probably left his job to try and find some closure in his life.

[AkuzaGhost]

imho this was the best ending.

[th3d3storoy3r]

I wonder what the last thoughts of Sarif, Taggart, Darrow and Jensen were?

[KiLLuCH]

I liked all the endings in terms of intellectual concepts and content.

However, as endings to a game, they were somewhat a disappointment.

Nevertheless, HR is a perfect example why games are the most awesome media in our history so far :).

[bud389]

@KiLLuCH Books are.

[KiLLuCH]

@bud389

In terms of intellectual quality, sure.

But the added features of visualization and especially interaction give video games even more potential - at least in theory.

Unfortunately, the gaming industry seems to rely solely on entertainment and not so much on expressive art, leaving the media's possibilities greatly untouched.

Fortunately, there are exceptions to that pattern, such as Human Revolution :).

[bud389]

@KiLLuCH More interaction doesn't necessarily = deeper meaning/greater potential, just a different way in which that medium expresses itself through the viewer. Some would argue that this greater amount of visualization and interaction ruins the experiance for the mind to necessitate the imaginitive thought process involved so heavily in other mediums such as painting/drawing or reading. Games certainly are great ways of creating social bonds though, more so than any of the other mediums.

[KiLLuCH]

@bud389

This is certainly an intersting angle, but I wouldn't concur entirely. I'd still say that the integration of interactivity eventually leads to more immersion - at least in theory.

You may argue now that you are immersed as well, while looking at a picture or reading a book. I wouldn't disagree. I'd say however, that the element of choice - especially given in games like Deus Ex - literally force you to become immersed and thus more stimulated intellectually/emotionally.

[KiLLuCH]

@bud389

Plus I never really thought that games were a great bonding factor. You may play with other people, but the experience is often anonymized and not very personal - even if you hear your opponent's companion's voice. Other people seem to be tools for the experience as a whole, not vice versa.

And with traditional singleplayer-games, the addition of other players really destroys the immersion anyways. I've experienced that, when I played Gears of War and Halo in Co-Op mode.

[TheZackandSteveShow]

This ending gives me chills glad I chose it.

[Puglous]

I agree with this ending's monologue in principle, but if Adam wants to trust mankind, why not start by trusting them with the "unadulterated truth"? That's why I chose Darrow's ending, because I thought mankind should be trusted with the truth.

[bud389]

@Puglous This ending isn't saying he "trusts" mankind, in fact it's principle is quite the opposite. He is in fact, giving mankind a chance to start over, he doesn't trust that they will make everything peaceful and perfect now, he believes that the only road mankind can take, is the one it creates for itself.

[NeonClock]

All endings have a canon aspect to them. Jensen I think would not destroy Panchea, and kill innocent people to leave humans deciding what happened. I think he wouldn't be compelled to either Darrow, Sarif or Tagerts wants. And with the post credits scene, they looking through the wreckage which would be nearly impossible if Jensen destroyed Panchea if it was implied that was destroyed.

If I had to guess, Jenson left Sarif and decided to find himself and his past, sick of the people with power.

[TheAmazingDaveFace]

1:03 is an upside-down clip from The Matrix - it's the miniature effect shot where the elevator explodes in the lobby.

[blacksasuke105]

I knew nothing about this game...

everyone I knew was tellin me to buy this..

BUT

simply it has been the best game i ever bought

This was worth 60$

[MrScarcrow]

@blacksasuke105 fuck yea but play the original one it way better but i gotta admit montreal know what a good game is im so proud

[FallenAngelTekken]

I can honestly say I dont know what to believe when it comes to humans, we make great choices and horrible one.We can be morally strong or selfish and self-serving, we can be anything, which is why i dont know whether or not this was the right choice, I can say this and the ending where the complete and clear truth would seem the most fitting,but in the end,I just dont know.

[SecularMentat]

It leaves tooo much on hopes. and What is it they say about those that don't know their history?

I think Taggarts was the least objectionable of all of the choices. Sarifs was too corporation heavy, and Darrows was too hide in a corner from science. (If you don't discover how to make weapons to defend yourself, your neighbor will...) thats why I say taggarts choice is the only viable one, its realistic anyway. Sarif's was insane as was darrows. This is the second best imo.

[illusivenessable]

I wasn't sure what to choose. Non of them appeared to me right. Whatever you do will not be enough to change a race. There will always be people like Sarif, who always think for the money, pretending they are helping. This decision will change the world for an year or two. After that you will be forgotten by the ones you saved and everyone else. Live will never wait for you. I choose this, cause at least for an year or two, the people from the countries, which joined Darrow will be united.

[inmamata]

Best ending of them all. This one really touched me :)

[dend1]

The problem with this ending is that the masses never choose their own futures. The governments and people in power ultimately make the most important decisions. Society is made up of people just trying to live and enjoy their lives. These decisions about humanities future will never reach them...

[Lanlegend08]

This was so great,I cannot even play Crysis 2 it's a joke to me!

[StevXtreme]

The best ending would've been ending 5, where you send your message to the world (even if this choice is like a silent message in itself).

Like many have said, all 4 endings have their valid points. True. But it's like a picture: you can watch a detail of it, you can watch more details of it, you can watch all of it. You can even start looking at the frame, at the wall that frame is put on and then at the room itself.

It's all about perspective. Nothing is true, everything is permitted :)

[WolfSentry]

@StevXtreme Oh i saw what you did there :D AC

[BrokenMegaMan]

all of the choices make great points thats the worst PART! >.<

Taggart wanted to make sure it didnt get out of control.

your boss wanted to make sure it wouldnt be limited and slowed down on the whim of the goverment to say what we are and are not ready for.

and the old man didnt want it to happen at all.

[Bones879]

Incredibly moving and thought provoking the endings to Deus Ex: HR are but there is no best ending, instead, you should honestly reflect on the choices you made in the game and choose the ending that your own ethics believe is right. Then you will get the best ending, because you'll find it applies to you and you will have discovered more about yourself.

[aymanmezo]

@Bones879 I cant put it in words more true than yours.. thank you !

[iszlaiadam]

First i also thought that this ending may be the best choice, but then i realized this is just a meaningless stepback. This ending's message is that humanity will decide about its faith, but if no one gets to know the results of the expirements, then what is their decision based on? You take away from them the whole picture. So i think this ending is just a "prostpone" of facing the real question: does humanity want to live WITH or WITHOUT augmentations (Sarif/Darrow).

[DarbeliMatkapTr]

What a fucking bullshit ending.Only weaks choose this.

[darkiddd]

@DarbeliMatkapTr How can the hardest choice be the weaker? Sacrificing yourself to let humanity choose its own path? Think again. Much more people would choose this if you didn't die in the process. But you do so you choose the other options. Those are the easy ways. This ending here is for the strongest.

[83fcv]

the thing is Adam is also a member of the human race, so is Taggart, Darrow, Sarif, they are all entitled to decide the future, this choice is not making humanity decide, it's just postponing the inevitable choice that will be reached regardless.

And by whom will the decision be made, by humans with same principles as Sarif, Taggart and Darrow, that's why i think this decision isn't relevant.

[darkiddd]

@83fcv You think others will end up making the choice because you have no faith in humanity. The Adam of this ending still has faith in humanity and that's why he doesn't choose for all humanity. Will others try again to impose their will to others? Of course. Adam knew this also. Maybe one day someone will succeed. Maybe others will stop them. We can't know. But as adam said: "I only know what I want to believe, that somehow, human decency will prevail" and this day it did.

[iszlaiadam]

@83fcv totally agreed.

[Laughingblades]

The endings are effected by how you play the game, for example if you kill everyone, it effects the ending. If you never kill anyone (except bosses auto-killed in cut scenes) including at the intro, that effects the ending, if you only kill some people and only enemy combatants, that effects the ending.

There are a lot of endings.

[Verkili]

@Laughingblades ummmm no.

The only dependents on the ending are whether you talk to Taggart and Sarif at the end. If you do, all 4 endings are always open to you. Otherwise, you will only get to choose between the Darrow and Self-Destruct endings.

[Laughingblades]

@Verkili Psha, if you kill people it effects the ending, and if you get a no kill playthrough, it effects the ending. What Adam says depends on what you do.

[nachtvolger]

i'll miss him :(

i kinda pinged away a tear :(

[tobiasmerriman]

I wanted Adam to live more than almost anything. But ultimately, these three men had done too much wrong. Though it was a bitter pill, three birds were killed by one incredibly admirable stone.

Fantastic game.

[2pado]

Sarif ending's was the best ending to me, i left the world in the hand of a man that was actually the only good person among the most powerfull men, i regret nothing.

[Balmung1991]

@2pado so you trust everyone to use their powers the right way? No one will ever abuse his augmentations to do "evil deeds"? It's not about Sarif...it's about what you choose for mankind

[2pado]

@Balmung1991 People will always do "evil deeds", no matter how augmented or powerless they are, a douchebag with a 9mm is as bad as a douchebad with an augmentation, except aumentations can help people with physical disadvantages.

This is a part of the progress, just as electricity, cards, satelites and everything else, there are risk, you need to break some eggs to make an omelette, choosing this ending, killing Sarif along with thousand of innocent people means nothing in the bigger picture.

[xCaMish]

This option makes the most sense, downing himself sucked but he had the power to "fix" the world, but he is nt god, he dosent know which choice will save humanity, so he says "fuck it, they hav to decide on their own, I'm done....." :)

[dedoto6o]

For me Darrow's ending is by far the most accurate. Not that this ending is not, but then what has Adam Jensen fought for. Wasn't he searching for the truth. Isn't that the point of the whole thing - to find the answers. If he can tell the world what is really happening (about the Illuminati, the biochips and so on) then why not do it. Is it better for all of humanity to be in the dark, while others are playing the role of god...I don't think so.

[Alenthas]

This is the true ending for Deus Ex: Human Revolution. And the best ending. Bob Page mentions about "wreckage" after the credits. Besides, other endings just alter the future. Jensen was never the one to choose, he's simply a merc. It's all up to JC, not Jensen.

[Sushimitzu]

This ending is a horrible choice. You are merely too cowardly to answer the question. Eventually, someone WILL have to act. Why not now? Why prolong this process unnecessarily? It just spawns more suffering until someone figures out what to do. In this ending, protagonist Adam Jensen is talking about how he does not have "the right to choose for everyone". However, there is no freedom without restricting it. It is a common misconception that humanity can solve problems on its very own.

[Alenthas]

@Sushimitzu so you would rather someone have the authority to choose over how you suppose to live your life? no one has that power, nor should they. people are very much capable of choosing how to live their life, and so should they. as jensen said to darrow, when someone tells you what to do, FORCES you to do something. you resent him.

[Sushimitzu]

@Alenthas As I said, "no freedom without restricting it". If nobody tells anyone what to do, we will only end up in chaos and anomy. Look at the USA, the libertarianism eventually led to the exact opposite because companies can rule over people in whatever way they want. If the powerful have no laws that prevent them from exploitation, why shouldn't they make use of it? My anarchist ages lay in the past, because I realized humans won't agree on a peaceful way of living out of choice and morals.

[Alenthas]

@Sushimitzu well, then I'm sorry for ya

[gn0m1k]

The problem with this ending is that, sure, you technically will be letting humanity decide upon its own; but you are destroying the means to A) stop global warming, B) provide information on what caused the augmentation crisis/expose the illuminati.

With less information, people are likely to make faulty choices. Not necessarily because they are irrational, just uninformed.

[gn0m1k]

@gn0m1k If you can expose the negative implications of augmentation: (ie: those with the benefit of power structures using the augmentation infrastructure to control and track you), you can incentivize people to develop augmentation with segregated power structures so that no one has the ability to take advantage of others and everyone has the choice to boycott those that try to and get augs elsewhere or whatever. Sort of like a privatized society in full.

[1Scuter]

so he got drowned?

[Dowas22]

didn't took me long to choose this ending

[FalconRS]

"Everything organic we know of is simply machinery, in one form or another. Tendons replace pistons; flesh in the place of steel; blood is simply biological coolant. To deny this and shun it is more than just Mechanicus orthodoxy – it is idiocy."

- Attributed to an unknown Genetor

[liquidcyberpunk]

@Evan121991 this ending is anti climactic you just didn't understand the message.

[Deus888]

This ending makes no sense, because even if he kills all people, there will be always new like Sarif, Taggart and Darrow, so he didn't change anything at all.

[Pangjunmin]

when you have the power to fix the world, you run away?

i don't trust the average of humanity... we put our desire ahead of ourselves, in greed... we take advantage of others every chance we get...

[iAmCrosh]

@Pangjunmin

"I only know what I want to believe: somehow, human decency will triumph."

These are very strong words. Adam is leaving the decision to all of mankind, because something like this is not a 1 man job. Maybe it will lead humanity down a dark and twisted path, Sarif wanted to lie to the world, and that's exactly what Adam is fighting against. He wants transparency in big choices. He wants to believe humans are at heart, good, and strong enough to guide themselves.

[pushead2600]

do i have to do something in order to get the sarif ending? coz wen elisa finished talking to me the 1st console on the left wasnt active and the tv screen was all static

[Stiglitz51]

@pushead2600 That's becuase you have to find Sarif on Panchea and ask him what he thinks. He'll tell you to lie about this entire event and blame it on the Humanity Front. To be honest. I haven't seen any of the other endings apart from this one but Sarif does seem like the best choice becuase If evolution is forced on Humans then this'll eventually lead to the Illuminati having absolutely no control over the world.

[pushead2600]

@Stiglitz51 thx dude now i just gotta find him at panchea on the next play through if i can beat jaron again that boss fight was the hardest and i was playin on tell me a story

[Avatardevil1]

best ending



[MEGATRYANT]

lol he sounds like batman flashback

[Serkallis]

I guess that even the things you do will have consequences in the end movie... because the ending movie whas the same, but the stuff he says is different... god i really enjoyed playing this game.

[ShotGroinProductions]

this option makes the most sense to me..

[vitaminangry]

@ShotGroinProductions yeah. totally agree

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@ShotGroinProductions yes, his speech is great....if it wasnt for the needles slaughter of the hundreds of people on Panchea. need i remind you all that all the auged workers had regained their consciousness by now? you're killing them all, in an attempt to bury what happened. this is wrong.

bottom line, whichever choice you make, its going to be bad in some way, and good in some other. thats the point, you cannot make an all-good choice at the end.

[ShotGroinProductions]

@saygoodnightmanuel i never said it was all good. i said it made the most sense to me.

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@ShotGroinProductions killing hundreds of innocent people (including a harmless limb clinic doctor and some guards), along with your boss who saved your life because he believed in you, makes more sense to you? then suicidal Adam goes on to talk about human decency and how he showed restraint and did not abuse his power or use it to hurt innocents...um...wait, what? you just blew up a place filled with innocents and effectively changed nothing in the world.

[ShotGroinProductions]

@saygoodnightmanuel yeah it does and myself playing as adam believed that the killing of the people in panchaea was for me to choose and i choose to kill most of them before i even got to the self destruct button and you don't know that you change nothing in the world. the other three options you change nothing as no matter what happens the dues ex storyline happens anyway. just cause adam has a set speech doesnt remark to my views on this. Also my boss can go fuck himself.

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@ShotGroinProductions what do you change in the world by destroying all evidence and providing no explanation? how can people LEARN from their mistakes if they never know what was done wrong? how can you EVOLVE as a civilization if you ERASE history? What can you accomplish by killing hundreds of innocents? To me, this is the most immature ending choice ever. What have you accomplished by killing everyone? WHY is this the best choice for you?

[ShotGroinProductions]

@saygoodnightmanuel they can make their own minds up about augmentation.

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@ShotGroinProductions without knowing the facts? an uninformed choice? if this were real, you would want to be forced to do that?

[ShotGroinProductions]

@saygoodnightmanuel he was never forced too do it. and no i wouldnt like it doesnt mean i wouldn't do it.

[Trexmaster12]

@saygoodnightmanuel

The truth is that this ending is canon.

No offense but you haven't played the original game, right?

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@Trexmaster12 no offense, but where does it ever say this ending is canon? to me, any of the endings you choose are plausible for the original game, set what, 25 years later? a lot can happen in 25 years.

[Trexmaster12]

@saygoodnightmanuel

In the original game, Jensen, Reed, The Hyron Project, Sarif Industries are not mentioned at all (duh, it's self-explanatory).

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@Trexmaster12 so what, if they're not mentioned it doesnt mean Jensen blew everyone up 25 years before. Reed clearly contributed to the events in Deus Ex, as is hinted at in the hidden credits cutscene. Maybe Sarif Industries went bankrupt and Jensen quit his job after choosing to expose the truth (Darrow's message). How about that?

[Trexmaster12]

@saygoodnightmanuel

Invalid. 

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@Trexmaster12 thats very clever. 

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@Trexmaster12 you're making assumptions based on no official info, and expect me to buy it. then when i make a different assumption, you dub it invalid just because you don't agree with it. this conversation goes nowhere. what more can i add?

[Trexmaster12]

If Sarif or Darrow or Taggart,one of them;it doesn't matter,you would've expect, in the original 'Deus Ex' people/junkies talking about it, Page talking about it (eh, eh?) or, fuck it, written in datacubes as a "nostalgic memory".But,as THE self-explanatory idea(which you can't hold of it),nobody talks about it. So, Jensen flushed down everything, nothing to be seen or heard and the other ones(Sarif, Taggart &Darrow) had a bad day afterwards.I can continue with it.Let's see if you bit something.

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@Trexmaster12 you do realize these ppl arent mentioned in the 2000 game because the writers hadn't thought of the 2011 game story yet, right? they tried to link HR to the original Deus Ex by mentioning familiar people and things, but this was done after the original Deus Ex story was crafted. the writers knew that the ending Adam chooses is pretty much irrelevant to subsequent events, which literally will have already happened from a narrative point of view.

[Trexmaster12]

@saygoodnightmanuel

I know that, dude, that's why your theory can be sustainable.

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@Trexmaster12 This is why you do not get a dramatic ending with clear consequences that shape the Deus Ex universe, but you only get some philosophical ramblings whose outcomes you can only speculate about.

[Trexmaster12]

@saygoodnightmanuel

It's dramatic and frustrating. Nothing be seen or to be heard again, people just speculate, Sarif got assassinated, Darrow got into serious trouble with his "Blood... must be shed" theory and Taggart cast aside because of his unsuccessful role to gain control. The 'Self-Distruct' ending is more plausible than the other three.

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@Trexmaster12 its more plausible to those who don't want to make the effort of imagining smth else. like i said, just because they are not mentioned it does not mean Adam killed them all. i also believe that this mystery was never intended to be cleared, at least not yet. i'm sure that some tie-in novel or game will eventually come out. the most frustrating thing is knowing that this being a prequel, nothing you choose will ever change the future.

[Trexmaster12]

It can't be imagined something else since we know the outcome.If one message was sent,the"mystery"would've been questioned between HR and the original game&it would still affect the original game.Your theory can be proven right only and only if the original 'Deus Ex' would be remaked.Otherwise,your points of view aren't stable and questionable regarding the aftermaths of the games' chronology.Why did you think they've put that extra discussion after the credits?They know they've made a loop.

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@Trexmaster12 geez, your whole theory is based solely on the fact that their names arent mentioned in Deus Ex, which by no means implies that Adam killed them. you realize this, right? you''re making a stretch and annulling 25 years of history that have not yet been explored. there's a narrative gap there and you're trying to fill it by taking ONE possible route. this does not prove your pov is canon. it doesn't prove anything. the extra discussion only ties reed to page.

[Trexmaster12]

@saygoodnightmanuel

No, not only their names. It's cute you want to imagine that *the* ending is more plausible. Really it is, but it's not sustainable. I repeat, in order for your own theory to be proven right is for Square Enix remake the original game. Otherwise, you're shaking a bit and questionable. For a scientist like Reed, who created the Gray Death, you would've imagine her name, at least, would appear or mentioned somewhere in the game (as if since the game was made in 2000).

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@Trexmaster12 why would square enix need to remake deus ex? reed's name isnt mentioned in the 2000 game because the writers hadnt thought her up yet in 2000. they tried to tie-in the HR events by creating that meeting between her and page. you need to think from the point of view of the narrative and how it was constructed.

[Trexmaster12]

I know that, dude.

If you keep saying that, I'm wondering how you didn't realized the whole picture by now. You continue to say that every ending can be plausible but, except the 'Self-Distruct' ending, the other three (just one, not all of them) would have a presence in the original game (if it would be remaked). That's your flaw. If that presence isn't felt then the Taggart, Darrow & Sarif endings aren't canon.

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@Trexmaster12 no, thats not what im saying. what im saying is that the presence you mentioned needs not be felt at all. there's nothing that warrants it. and also, the fact that sarif and taggart die does not imply that their organizations are wiped off the map. the reason behind this "lack of presence" is to do with how and when the narrative was written, not its overall internal logic. thats what im saying actually

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@Trexmaster12 oh, and not only was the HR story written several years later, it was written by other writers than the one who wrote the original game, so clearly, they came in with new ideas and characters than take the front seat in the Deus Ex universe for this game. of course, this might have screwed up the narrative a bit and created some plot gaps that we can fill with whatever we want for the time being.

[Trexmaster12]

...

So, if it isn't remaked, then your theories have flaws. We can think of many regarding the gaps but if we keep imagining delusional things that are not proven, we're going nowhere.

The 'Self-Distruct' covers many and it's perfect regarding the formation of UNATCO, the creation of Majestic-12 and Illuminati's downfall.

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@Trexmaster12 we can only imagine things, since we have no additional data. all of the 4 possible endings are just as plausible and none of them is canon. any of the endings can lead to the events in deus ex, and i believe the HR endings were all designed to be just that. a closure that says something about the moral dimension of Adam Jensen, but nothing consistent about what happens next, because if they did make one ending canon, then they would eliminate the choice element and the open ending

[Trexmaster12]

"No additional data"? We have the original game, ffs. Yes, don't repeat that, I know they haven't thought of a prequel. But that's all your data... if the original isn't remaked.

Self-Distruct Ending = Canon

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@Trexmaster12 self-destruct ending = canon only in your view of the game. no official data mentions a canon ending, therefore no canon ending exists. sorry, that's just the way it goes.

[Trexmaster12]

@saygoodnightmanuel

Any other endings, other than 'Self-Distruct', are canon ONLY if the original game is remaked in your points of view.

Sorry bud, but that's the way it goes...

[bud389]

@saygoodnightmanuel While it's true that there is no "official canon" ending, the remarks made at the very end where he asks if they found anything points to the conclusion that yes, Adam probably DID self destruct.

[Trexmaster12]

As a conclusion, you want your theory to work? Write a letter to Square Enix and beg them to remake the original to have a certain consistency with HR. Otherwise, yours are flawless.

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@Trexmaster12 moreover, presuming that darrow, taggart and sarif all die and panchaea gets blown up, you still dont know what happens to sarif industries and humanity front. do these huge and powerful organizations simply vanish? go bankrupt? and is this not also conceivable in an timeline where sarif and taggart dont die? depending on which choice you make, one of these factions will be crippled, but augmentation research is continued regardless. all endings seem to lead to the same outcome.

[saygoodnightmanuel]

@ShotGroinProductions what i mean is that his speech is great. the action behind it is horrible.

[JimNayseum]

this guy sounds like batman......

[Axelgear2006]

This is not a good ending. You see humanity's own choices over and over throughout the game; xenophobia, hatred, rioting, cruelty...

Plus, any talk of "Not influencing people or controlling them" goes right out the window when you make a choice. Denying them information is just as much an influence as giving them it. Leaving them confused and unaware just ensures that they make choices out of ignorance.

[dkuch45]

@Axelgear2006

Thats the point of the ending. Letting human nature decide our future, good or bad. If people really wanted to know what happened, there will always be the means to find the truth. Like Adam said, if people really want change, they will change. If they really want to stop something, they can stop it. Adam making a choice for all mankind is just as bad as joining the ranks of the Illuminati. So in the end, I destroyed it, killing everyone. Because no one is innocent in this shit.

[Axelgear2006]

@dkuch45 The truth goes out the window when you literally blew all the evidence up. You made the decision for all mankind when you took away that knowledge. Like it or not, the choice is yours to make, and deciding to negate any evidence is as much a choice as releasing it, doctoring it, or otherwise doing something with it.

You also kill lots and lots of people, including construction workers and scientists trying to save global warming.

So, y'know, good job there.

[dkuch45]

@Axelgear2006

What truth? I didn't see any truth. You are right in one thing, that each option inflicts the will of a man on mankind. One wants control and power, for a "safer" society. One wants to abolish his own technological advancement to stop the powers at be, although fueled by selfish desires. One wants to lie to see his vision of the future, advancing the human race and unlocking it true potential. All while destroying what makes humans, well human.

[Axelgear2006]

@dkuch45 The truth is that a group wanted to control augmented people, and that one man inflicted horrible suffering on mankind by exploiting their dependence on technology. That is the truth, and that, plus the confession, is the truth of the incident.

All decisions are making a choice for all mankind. Release the confession, people will react badly. Edit it, you control their response. Deny all evidence, you force ignorance on them. There's no moral high-ground here.

[dkuch45]

@Axelgear2006

Lastly, one wants to stop all of that from happening. Seeing that no option is the right option, he takes it all down, seeing that he shouldn't have the power to change the world. Even if it is hypocritical to take it down, doing so makes it so no one has the possibility of using the events to benefit their end goal. Like I said, no one is innocent in this shit. Everyone of those characters did dark things to get their goal done. Everyone of them had it coming to them, even Adam.

[genericUser666]

@dkuch45

don't feel to good, because you also destroyed the artic station, witch was build to rescue humanity by pumping half of our carbon dioxide emission in the ocean. So humanity is free, but will probabliy die through global warming :P

[KiLLuCH]

This ending is certainly the most idealistic one.

But think about it, is the possibility of bad men/corporations controlling everything and everyone really preferable to one single decision of someone else that could prevent so much misery from happening?

One could argue that mankind deserves such a reality, if we don't strive for truth for ourselves.

But how can one uncover or find truth or make choices, when there are others out there who are actively trying to undermine said freedom?

[cortez14088]

@dkuch45 ok u seem to have a point there, but dont u think letting ppl decide about augmentations or who to blame could be problems and can lead to riots or worse like it was some time during the game? because some ppl are with augmentations, some are against it, and there might be war between them, and it could continue without power.

now im not talkin about real life.

[cortez14088]

@dkuch45 ok u seem to have a point there, but dont u think letting ppl decide about augmentations or who to blame could be problems and can lead to riots or worse like it was some time during the game? because some ppl are with augmentations, some are against it, and there might be war between them, and it could continue without power. no one knows if humanity could save itself

now im not talkin about real life.

[Spatan95]

Probably the best choice of ending so far.

[Gamer1990100]

I have a dumb question when you beat the game, can you start a new game with your upgrades? That would be nice.

[FukcYoDadsLawnmower]

@Gamer1990100 no, and because newgame+ isn't in it, the replay value severely dropped. i don't want to restart from scratch. thats one reason i liked mass effect.

[Gamer1990100]

@FukcYoDadsLawnmower Oh that sucks. Yeah I love Mass Effect, just beat Deus Ex yesterday. I saved right before the last part do I was able to reload and see of the endings LOL.

[atechpriest]

This has always seemed like the right ending. Though we have caused much harm we have always held together, not because of the need for survival but we do value each others lives far more than we wish them ended. Humanity will always make the right choice.

[tengomarco75]

@atechpriest IT also similar to Deus ex's 1 moral ending, if you know what it is, that also invovles a self destruct without going into any details ofc but it is the romantic ending for Deus ex 1.