I know that technically you cannot have a religious activities sponsored by government. I get that. But Christmas is a christian holiday. If this is a Christmas event then I see no reason why they cant read it. It is literature. Hes not leading in prayer or any rituals. Hes reading. If you want to take it far enough you can say a city cannot sponsor a religious holiday event. Im an atheist, but that was a bit nit picky
well clearly if we are to take seperation of church and state as a law, then christmas must be removed from it's status as a national holiday. politicians are simply to afraid to do that and enrage the public.
22 years; 22 years; 22 years; man, get off that! It doesn't matter how long you've been doing it, if the city government has been officially sponsoring it all that time it's been illegal and still is. What's sad (but not surprising) is that it took them so long to recognize the problem and fix it. Can't they still have as much fun singing nonreligious carols, looking at pretty lights and letting the kids see Santa, without engaging in any exclusive religious rituals?
If the local government sponsored for the event then there shouldn't 'have been a bible reading. Fuck faux news and their bias. It's not as if christmas was originally a Christian holiday anyway, they stole it form the pagans.
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If government facilities are donated for use, government money spent or if paid government employees promote or take part in the ceremony, it is unconstitutional.
If you don't think I'm right, then go for it and let the courts decide.
Or you could do the whole thing privately, possibly pay a small fee to the city for use of city facilities if they are used, and there won't be an issue. Of course, you might have to rent the city facilities to atheists too.
The bible is a disgusting book of death. Along with the koran they should be banned. The bible is as offensive as a book of children having sex or Mein Kampf. Keep your cultish failings to yourself.
@699backstab Read Proverbs. then read 1 John.. meaning the short epistle near the end of the Bible. Do this and then you might give your head a shake re: your so-called book of hate.
Id read the bible except i ve got my erection balls deep in your imaginary dead jew carpenter jesus Christ. I just squeezed off another tablespoon of my spermatozoa into his lower intestine. Ill be using pages i rip from your book of death to clean off my cock :D Bible faggot...go kill yourself and see you fake god right away.
@arktheball Something about Lot putting up his daughters for rape. The bible is an instruction manual for cowards on how to properly fuck up being a good Human being :D Your religion is murder and rape.
I don't know why some petty people just cant stand that one day of the year there is some bible reading? Why don't you just come back nest day when there isn't someone reading some religious book? I'm an atheist and I don't have anything against religions but I cant stand people that uses religions as an excuse of being cruel.
Sorry if this isn't making sense. English isn't my first or even second language...
er, isn't first amendment the right to bear arms? I could be mistaken.
anyway, the religious amendment says "congress shall make no law concerning religion". No part of that says that all aspects of religion shall be removed from any government location or establishment. If they want the ten commandments in a court house...technically that's not forbidden.
@waldoman7 The right to bear arms is the Second Amendment. And as for the 10 commandments being in a public funded building you would be incorrect, that is a violation of the First Amendment.
@waldoman7 it is the way the courts have treated the interpretation of the Establishment clause of the First Amendment. If you are going to allow a christian display then you must allow any other belief or dis-belief to have a display as well. This is not a majority rules kind of decision as many people seem to think it should be.
Public facilities should be for all citizens inclusive and not just to serve a segment that has a certain belief.
Yes, what has our society came to when our laws or upheld? It's disgusting that we expect people to follow our laws and don't allow people to break them.
Honestly, I dont know why some people care about the reading of bible verses and such. you dont have to listen and you are free to read whatever you want aswell. Also I am an atheist but, I'm Irish and we don't get up in arms over stupid shit
Funny how these would be the SAME PEOPLE up in arms if it was say, Muslims or any other religion reading their stories to the towns children.
Look people, go to your church, someones house, or ANYWHERE that's private property and read it there. No ones stopping you from doing that other than your own pride.
I can't believe these people don't get it. 1 person in accordance with the law and constitution should have more weight than 10million people who are not. This is a REPUBLIC that is guided by the LAW. Not by the masses. That is why lynching parties are illegal.
"We've done it for 22 years..." Slavery was "enjoyed" by the white south for a "few" more years than that. Should slavery continue? Have your bible story, but then don't bitch when the muslims or jews want theirs.
What has religion got to do with christmas? christmas is about advertising and selling stuff, not some boring old fiction about some cuckolding wife, three crazies, an innkeeper and a donkey..... in the end it doesnt matter, if these news fossils didn't dig up this nonsense nobody would have noticed, nobody would have cared, even the dude who did the readings didnt seem overly concerned.
I love how FOX "news" completely did not mention the circumstances which the Bible reading was held under.
Separation of Church and State is only in effect when the state actually sponsors one religion over the other. Which means everyone have a right to display any type of religious on the same public property, which also covers non-believers and the objections against public holiday displays on government properties.
"This is where we've come... where one person can call up and make it so that a town can't endorse Christianity."
That's right, you uneducated brat... It's not about what the majority wants. It's about a system formed over 200 years ago that protects us against idiots who want to make state religions. Amazing how someone can sleep through kindergarten, then grow up and make a career out of it.
So the inability to read a bible verse publicly totally undermines and destroys the entire concept of love, family and community that christmas is supposed to represent? Fox you're the dumbest bunch of stunned cunts on the planet. The biggest hypocrites out there. "We're the only ones who have a right to say what we want! Anybody who opposes our beliefs is impeding on our rights to impede on theirs!"
This is the reason why mod rule does not determine what is right or wrong.
If that was the case then the african americans that did not even count as a full person, that counted as 1./2 would still not be allowed to have all the rights they now enjoy as equals to all other people.There were/are a lot more "white" people in america then there are "black" so if mob rule was how it worked then america would still have slaves, since the whites weren't too happy about losing their slaves.
actually Southern seccesion was prompted by slave states becoming overpowered in congress by free ones, and even in the south no one really LIKED slavery. slavery was always on its way out
Gretchen should not be on a news show. Reporters are meant to look at things from unbiased points of view and she just can't do it. She is still listening to what her imaginary friend tells her to do.
I guess she is doing something good. Every time she speaks a new atheist is born.
Fox are a bunch of satanists who use the bible to kill and murder. Fox is a criminal worthy of nothing but contempt and will be the first to go after the revolution!
The Mafia got a way with murders, racketeering and many other things for years and years. I'm sure people began to enjoy it too. Doesn't make it right.
Oh boo hoo. There's this thing called freedom from religion. If u wanna hear a fairy tale then u can go to church or open the bible or any other religious text. Why is this even news? Yes of course the town can't afford a lawsuit, but they obviously can't abide by the 1st ammendment either til someone pointed it out to them.
From now on I shall refer to December 25th at "Atheist-mas." Christianity is now debunked and atheists shall rule the world for six-hundred and sixty-six moons because Christ can no longer be found in the name of a holiday (nor anywhere else).
Of course they don't go for a law-suit. They know they are gonna lose. And if they think closely they know why it's a good thing that they would lose...
Yeah that's how you know if something's right...if you've been doing it for 22 years.then must be right eh?...like apartheid,slavery,segregation,homophobia,no rights for women,sending small children to work in sweatshops,anti-semitism....that woman's intellect is hardly perceivable....
It all comes down to whether or not the reading of the Bible is being SPONSORED by the city (i.e. GOVERNMENT) or not. If this is a PRIVATE event, then no problem. If this is a city SPONSORED event, it is inappropriate. Period. It doesn't matter how many people show up or how long they've been doing it.
@xpntrvfggd Wrong. One person calling the shots is tyranny. Majority calling the shots is democracy. LETS HAVE A TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY. I'm all for it. It has worked for centuries..
"This is where we've come as a society: that one person can just call up and say ... constitutional right ... and the entire city aquiesces to the demands of one person" Exactly! That's the whole point of America: that the little guy can stand up to the whole mob and win. You don't need loads of money, or a gun or a fancy lawyer, even if you are in the minority you still have your rights.
Its very rarely that this principle is enforced and we should all rejoice the few times that it is.
This is the reason why the Founders put religion into the 1st Amendment, to put it beyond the possibility of voting. One person or a thousand, it doesn't matter. You can't vote rights away.
i like how she say 1 person can call up and say seperation of church and state..... yes 1 person can call up and say thats not allowed under the law and everyone has to stop doing it!!!!
so what, 1 person rings up and now we cant go around raping children, what a mence that 1 person is
@vejbok Exactly how do you equate people freely & legally expressing expressing their personal beliefs (I.E. this bible reading) with pedophillia? this debate has little to do with church-state separation: we're not talking about lawmaking and legislation, If that were the context then you'd have a good point; we're talking about a public celebration and profession of beliefs under freedom of speech.
Peace, God bless you;
PS. from a christian who believes in separation of church and state
Any activity sponsored or funded by a local, State, or Federal agency shall have no ties to any Religion; this is all because of Separation of Church and State, what's so hard to understand?
@InnerSmile72 Dude that sucks!Assuming u live there, u should fight that cuz I live in America and it pains me everyday to have these uneducated biased morons at Fox claim to represent me.
This is so fucking stupid, whining biased christian douchebags.
There is a seperation of curch and state and so it shall remain. If you want to believe in retarded fairytales you are discqualified in my mind to hold any position of responsibility.
@KayleLang I'd have to say you'd have to separate Christmas from any type of publically owned area unless you're going to allow everyone to express their beliefs in that area.
honestly, capitalism (which drives christmas and other national holidays) IS a religion to many and especially to those free market fucktards on the extreme right so I'd have to say it is VERY religious in nature /sarcasm.
It's a celebration of the winter solstice that predates Christianity by forever (it's a natural phenomenon). Julius Caesar in 46 BCE established December 25th as the date of the winter solstice. It wasn't until later when Christians were fucking everything up and turning everything pagan into a Christian as a means of destroying paganism that it got it's Christian connotation. Jesus, if he existed, wasn't even born on December 25th. That is what I think Christmas REALLY is.
@deavyin The winter solstice isn't on December 25th either. Would you mind explaining further what predates Christians "fucking everything up"? Did the Christmas tree predate Christmas? Gift giving and Santa?
@MrKli4d Of course, read some history. The "christmas tree" is pagan as well. It's evergreen because in winter, it's the only evergreen that survives cold harsh weather. In ancient Rome, they used to decorate it with apples. It wasn't until the German Prince took the holiday tree to England in Victorian times, that the tree became "Christmas tree". In regards to Santa, the figure of Odin, a major god amongst the Germanic peoples prior to their Christianization that played a major influence.
@MrKli4d Even Easter has pagan roots, with the germanic Eoester goddess of fertility, meaning cycle, spring. So, Christians plagiarize everything, yes.
Why can't you fucking religious people keep your superstitious nonsense in your own homes. Why ask non xians to pay for your religious ceremonies. You want that god bullshit? Go to fucking church.
This sounds suspiciously similar to how some people reacted to the civil rights movement "We've been segregating them on our buses for years and everyone is fine with it and now because of one arrogant woman, they're trying to desegregate the buses. Merry christmas, with Christ, a good old n****r hating, blond haired, blue eyed, American!"
This is bull***t, the threat of lawsuit shouldn't be nearly enough to get this removed. I'm borderline atheist, but I absolutely cannot stand frivolous lawsuits where one guy/girl throws a fit and everybody has to suffer. Does it really do anyone harm if the town does this? If you don't like it, don't go, get them to celebrate your holiday when it comes around, but don't be a douchebag and take the fun from the people who do believe it and want to enjoy this.
@freakyphysicsguy I agree, this doesn't seem like a very big deal. I doubt the town would stop a Jewish display or recitation; though someone might rightfully argue that the town can't promote one or any religion, if the town is willing to represent them all equally, I don't think it's a huge deal.
@freakyphysicsguy However, we also have to keep in mind one of the pillars of American society: protecting the rights of the minority from the whims of the majority. As a matter of principle, it makes no different whether 200 people, twenty people, or one person complains about such an issue: if someone's rights are being violated, the majority has to change so that nobody's rights are infringed upon.
This can seem frustrating, but it's a crucial principle of our democracy.
@freakyphysicsguy I somewhat agree. The pig-headedness of many atheists about these issues is somewhat absurd. When it directly involves someone coming up to you and screaming in your face, then take it to court. I.e. Jehovah Witnesses barging in and standing on your doorstep all day. (It happened to me today... was hilarious.)
@Eron2828 I am not a supporter of either. If someone is going onto my property, and talks to me in a way that I believe is offensive, of course I'm taking the bastard to court. Legal violence, I guess you could say. Also I am an atheist, I seemed a little vague.
You know, I never thought the day would come that I would find myself defending Fox 'News' or crazy Christians. I'm a strong atheist, but if a small town in Tennessee has a Christmas tradition that involves publicly reading the bible, let 'em read it. Maybe I'm making assumptions about the town's demographics but that one person is kinda being a dick. Of course, the reading could be held in private, but I suspect that would kill their fun. We need to be less petty.
Im with you. I am an atheist, and I don't see the harm in this and I think it's sad that the war against christianity or atheism has escalated this far.
Obviously, they could do it in a church or in private, but put yourself in the position of these Christians. I doubt the reading costs the town much money, and, as to your question, I wouldn't mind a reading of the bilbe on Christmas at all. The bible is one of the most important pieces of literature in Western Culture, and it's especially relevant on Christmas, a time when almost all of us, even non-christians, celebrate the winter solstice. This stuff is bad PR.
Im an atheist too, but I dont agree with your comments whatsoever. This reading above all was public reading, not a private reading. The city is sponsering/promoting one religious faith over all others. Why not a Torah reading? a Koran reading? or even Buddist meditations? Why just Bible readings? If this is something sanctionened by the city, then it shouldnt be exclusive to 1 particular religious faith over all others.
Now this would be completely different if it were done in a church.
They read the Bible because, I'm guessing, the vast majority of the town is Christian. If that's not the case, then my comment doesn't stand, but I acknowledged that idea in my original comment.
This idea that because America is a multicultural nation, small, bible belt towns should be inclusive of hindus and such, sounds like some PC crap.
I was born and raised in the bible belt, not too far from this town. I assure you, there are more important battles to fight here.
No, that is a false dilemma fallacy. If the vast majority of the town (defined as, say, greater than 95%) is Christian, and the other 5% are a mixture of other faiths and non-believers, and only a small percentage of those people care about the reading, it is obnoxious that they can dictate what the town does. If we were talking about something more important than a Bible reading one day out of the year or if we were talking about a 51% majority Christian town, my argument would be different.
Are you kidding me? A town, a city, a state where 100% of its populus pays taxes should never adhere to the religious sentiments of a majority, regardless if its 95% or even 99.9%. That %5, however minuscule in numbers compared to the majority, still has the right to not have their worldviews excluded, dismissingly pushed to the side by the state in favor for the public religious promotion of the majority. Its not a false dilemma fallacy whatsoever, this is democracy at work.
It is a false dilemma fallacy to say that there are only two options: read from every text or none at all as if there were no other options. I think you're missing my point though. I'm not saying that the one person in this town is not or should not be legally entitled to impose their will on the rest of the town. My point is that it is obnoxious and petty to do so. Atheists have a reputation for being contrarian and arrogant. This unfocused activism corroborates those stereotypes.
Im actually in favor of reading from every text or none if it involves something state sanctioned. I honestly dont know of 3rd option.
I still dont see why you find the mayor's/senator's (forgot which one)decision to remove the public reading in order to make the event more inclusive (or fear of legal action) as obnoxious & petty. It's principle.
As far as atheists having a reputation (or stereotype) of being arrogant, I dont give too much thought on it, as long as whats being done is just.
One 3rd option I can think of is that the event include a formal welcoming of people from other faiths while maintaining its decidedly Christian theme. Maybe they could just shorten the reading. Whatever.
I don't find the mayor's decision obnoxious. I find the protests of the caller obnoxious, and I think about our reputation because we live in a political world where mobs of people can latch onto stupidity. I care that it is illegal to hold office in some states if you're an atheist.
but we arent a like-group. what reputation ca we obtain when the only thing we as a group have in common is out disbelief in god? you and I having different opinions on this situation demonstrates that. I wouldnt be too worried. Even if an atheist sounds like a dick, therell always be an atheist next to him that will call him one. Will theists not vote for an atheist politician? Maybe not, but if they have a perception of all of us being pricks, its only bcz they have a bigoted generalized view.
You're absolutely right that theists who view us in generalized, negative terms are bigots, but I say we take a page from Gandhi, MLK and Malcom X: prove them wrong by being so beyond reproach that such claims appear more and more ridiculous to people who haven't made up their minds.
Also, maybe we should spend more time thinking about how we are like one another. You and I may disagree about this video, but we both seem to agree that homogenized, Christian fascism is dangerous.
just a note here Atheists have made up their minds, they don't beleive in god, what you are thinking of is agnostics, and it's more of a lack of substance to believe in than rather a "make up your mind" choice. The fact of the mater in this video is that the town doesn't have a right to cater to any religion regardless of what it's population is. That's illegal to the highest standing document of legality in this nation. Don't start some christmas is a christian thing either because it's not
No, I'm not talking about agnosticism. A person can not believe in God without feeling the need to deconvert others. What you're talking about is antitheism. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm talking about agnosticism. If you'd read my comments more carefully, you'd notice I don't question the legality of the naysayers complaint. I question the fact that he/she and too many people commenting on this video spend their time whining about little things and need to pick their battles.
ok while i'll admit that I misread and jumped the gun in regard to the previous statement, however i'll also argue that it's all the little stuff and not just the big stuff that's part of the overall problem. However I fail to see where I said anything of deconverting or antitheism, I misread your comment in regard to making a choice on a deity and refered to that as agnostic, but it's more of a search for truth than anything.
Fair enough. You didn't say anything about antitheism either. I was trying to read between the lines in your comment and apparently missed.
You make a fair point about the little things too. The civil rights movement was kicked off with Rosa Parks not moving to the back of the bus. However, I think we do better by ourselves, in terms of little things, when we stand our ground politely, courageously and ethically in everyday encounters with theists (like on youtube).
One last thing since i ran out of room... using lawyers is rarely fun. Its sometimes necessary, but there's something weaselly about people who fight with lawyers.
well it's part of the way the laws work, you either have to have a new law made per congress or have the judicial system declare it unconstitutional. Either way it takes unpleasant things, you find a way around it, go for it.
They read the bible, because Christianity has had fascist like control over the south for hundreds of years. They still think it is acceptable to force people to pray to Christ in public school; not to their individual god, but to Christ. We are talking about the least educated, most racist, and most easily influenced region of our country. Like stated in the video, they had every right to read their fable in public, as long as tax payers didn't have to fit the bill. Two words: public permits.
Haha I love how the banner at the bottom says "True Christmas Story Banned". Not the "traditional" or "original" Christmas story, the "true" one.
Come on Fox News, are you even going to /attempt/ to look like you're not shamelessly pandering to the Christian fundies? I mean, we all know you are, but you could at least /try/ to make us look wrong.
its the law and it seemed like after 23 years someone finally called it out? nothing is stopping those people who gathered from doing it privately so.... whats the issue?
Don't any of the people in government know anything about separation of church and state..? Wake up ... We expect Fox to screw it up... They've been bought out by the religious right... You can't get any level from them... And its not illegal for the KKK to hold meeting... It's just not ok to pillage and burn, like they did in the ol' days... Maybe if you guys read the constitution... Try it.... It is there to protect everyone from the irrationals...
"And its not illegal for the KKK to hold meeting... It's just not ok to pillage and burn, like they did in the ol' days..."
You are absolutely correct, but in hybridamerica's defense, I tihnk he/she meant that it is illegal for the "city" to sponser a KKK meeting the way they attempted to do with this Bible preaching.
I have Nothing wrong with christianity I just don't follow it, Separation of Church and State Forbids this in Public I ain't saying Practice the faith but Maybe keep it towards yourself, I read the quran to myself and Islam is more real to me then Christianity.
FOX NEWS is not a Real News Orgnaization Its a Hate Group and they get paid millions to spread Hate to everyone else.
a small victory for those of us who find christianity unpatriotic. This post-pagan ritual reading from the Book of Lies is polluting the minds of kids. Keep this nonsense out of the public square and in the church. They do it at publicly funded events and in town squares and they wonder why people object?
its the christains fault when this happens. they are too busy feeding their faces to get out and speak up against such evil. If Christ story can not be told then Christmas should not be allowed at all in public. period. the celebration is either going to be shared and acknwoledged about Christ or give it up.
"Christ is actually in that word." Wow, what a frigging genius. I don't see babes in microskirts like this on the Daily Show! She looks better than Coulter, anyway.
"TRUE Christmas story banned"--I wonder if the story mentions the pagan holiday the Christians ripped off to make Christmas--I noticed they used the word "Yuletide" and mentioned the Christmas tree lighting.
Those damn atheists are at it again! Why don't they just sit down and shut up?! Because we pay the taxes you're using.
she is always such a bitch, i want to punch her in the face.
Can't you just see it? the time is 1863 and some dumbass southerner is saying "what the hell? we've had slaves for hundreds of years! THAT's how we know it works!"
I have a suggestion. How about have the celebration but don't make it a town/city thing. Have it done by a Church instead. This shifts responsibility from the Mayor and to the Church itself. A person could hardly sue a church for celebrating one of it's holidays.
Belief in an all-knowing, all-powerful supreme cosmic dictator who created the universe is not only very childish and illogical, it's simply ridiculous and highly embarrassing for any serious adult to admit.
The clear cognitive dissonance displayed by followers of organised religion is currently the world's most pressing mental health challenge.
For those ready to seek help, the book The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins may be a good place to start.
sadly it isn't embarrassing to admit it in many circles.
it's not really a mental health problem because many people don't hurt themselves or others. we can't lock up everybody just because they are delusional, nor should we. only those who pose a threat to themselves or others
1:55 one person can excerise their constitutional rights! and she makes it sound like a tragedy while also complaining about what our society has become. I think she is implying that people are getting educated and it scares her because she is dumber then a box of rocks!
CHRISTIANS... READ THE BIBLE...Romans 13 tell you whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. FOLLOW THE LAW... even if your little christian brain does not understand why...
This is America. Government should not impose religion on people. People can believe in whatever they'd like, but they have no right to impose their religion, no matter how dominant, on anyone else.
This is hypocritical.
Fudgadelical 3 weeks ago
I know that technically you cannot have a religious activities sponsored by government. I get that. But Christmas is a christian holiday. If this is a Christmas event then I see no reason why they cant read it. It is literature. Hes not leading in prayer or any rituals. Hes reading. If you want to take it far enough you can say a city cannot sponsor a religious holiday event. Im an atheist, but that was a bit nit picky
UndeadClown95 1 month ago
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well clearly if we are to take seperation of church and state as a law, then christmas must be removed from it's status as a national holiday. politicians are simply to afraid to do that and enrage the public.
waldoman7 1 month ago
@waldoman7 Is that really a big deal though. We have enough problems to do deal with without making imaginary ones
UndeadClown95 1 month ago
Mmm Gretchen. Breaking the law for 22 yrs. Going Down!
69jeffrow 3 months ago
Is there no one who will bomb their transmitter? really.
kerranz 3 months ago
"I can't get illegagy stolen taxmoney sponsoring my religion anymore, and the only thing that was needed was one taxpayers attention. Boo-hoo!"
AngeCord 3 months ago
22 years; 22 years; 22 years; man, get off that! It doesn't matter how long you've been doing it, if the city government has been officially sponsoring it all that time it's been illegal and still is. What's sad (but not surprising) is that it took them so long to recognize the problem and fix it. Can't they still have as much fun singing nonreligious carols, looking at pretty lights and letting the kids see Santa, without engaging in any exclusive religious rituals?
jerico641 3 months ago
If the local government sponsored for the event then there shouldn't 'have been a bible reading. Fuck faux news and their bias. It's not as if christmas was originally a Christian holiday anyway, they stole it form the pagans.
"....acquiesce to the demands of one person." How about you reword that to OBEY THE FUCKING LAW, dumb cunt.
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TheServiceWeb 5 months ago
If government facilities are donated for use, government money spent or if paid government employees promote or take part in the ceremony, it is unconstitutional.
If you don't think I'm right, then go for it and let the courts decide.
Or you could do the whole thing privately, possibly pay a small fee to the city for use of city facilities if they are used, and there won't be an issue. Of course, you might have to rent the city facilities to atheists too.
What's good for the goose...
dimbulb23 5 months ago
The bible is a disgusting book of death. Along with the koran they should be banned. The bible is as offensive as a book of children having sex or Mein Kampf. Keep your cultish failings to yourself.
699backstab 5 months ago
@699backstab Read Proverbs. then read 1 John.. meaning the short epistle near the end of the Bible. Do this and then you might give your head a shake re: your so-called book of hate.
skaha77 5 months ago
Id read the bible except i ve got my erection balls deep in your imaginary dead jew carpenter jesus Christ. I just squeezed off another tablespoon of my spermatozoa into his lower intestine. Ill be using pages i rip from your book of death to clean off my cock :D Bible faggot...go kill yourself and see you fake god right away.
699backstab 5 months ago
@699backstab children having sex? OH you mean the torah and the talmud... also the Koran.. silly person learn your books right
arktheball 5 months ago
@arktheball Something about Lot putting up his daughters for rape. The bible is an instruction manual for cowards on how to properly fuck up being a good Human being :D Your religion is murder and rape.
699backstab 5 months ago 3
I don't know why some petty people just cant stand that one day of the year there is some bible reading? Why don't you just come back nest day when there isn't someone reading some religious book? I'm an atheist and I don't have anything against religions but I cant stand people that uses religions as an excuse of being cruel.
Sorry if this isn't making sense. English isn't my first or even second language...
nallekarkki87 5 months ago
Fuck Fox News.
First Amendment is the LAW!
It protects all citizens.
It is obvious that Fox News is un-American!
bobster451 5 months ago 2
@bobster451
er, isn't first amendment the right to bear arms? I could be mistaken.
anyway, the religious amendment says "congress shall make no law concerning religion". No part of that says that all aspects of religion shall be removed from any government location or establishment. If they want the ten commandments in a court house...technically that's not forbidden.
waldoman7 1 month ago
@waldoman7 The right to bear arms is the Second Amendment. And as for the 10 commandments being in a public funded building you would be incorrect, that is a violation of the First Amendment.
bobster451 1 month ago
@bobster451
please explain how. congress can make no law concerning religion. how does this relate to removing all traces of religion from federal buildings?
waldoman7 1 month ago
@waldoman7 it is the way the courts have treated the interpretation of the Establishment clause of the First Amendment. If you are going to allow a christian display then you must allow any other belief or dis-belief to have a display as well. This is not a majority rules kind of decision as many people seem to think it should be.
Public facilities should be for all citizens inclusive and not just to serve a segment that has a certain belief.
bobster451 1 month ago
@bobster451
ah yes the courts. the system by which single semi-random men alter the law to suit their desires. well, thanks for the explanation.
waldoman7 1 month ago
Yes, what has our society came to when our laws or upheld? It's disgusting that we expect people to follow our laws and don't allow people to break them.
BlueCosmology 6 months ago
"Just because one person says you should obey the law set forth in the Constitution..."
I do hate when we expect everybody to follow the same rules, it's just not fair to those who think they're more important than everybody else...
runryrorun 6 months ago
Honestly, I dont know why some people care about the reading of bible verses and such. you dont have to listen and you are free to read whatever you want aswell. Also I am an atheist but, I'm Irish and we don't get up in arms over stupid shit
Wholoveschickens 6 months ago
@Wholoveschickens What IS harmful is 90% of what passes for entertainment on modern television
skaha77 5 months ago
Just read a different fairy tale lol.
brongarago 6 months ago
Funny how these would be the SAME PEOPLE up in arms if it was say, Muslims or any other religion reading their stories to the towns children.
Look people, go to your church, someones house, or ANYWHERE that's private property and read it there. No ones stopping you from doing that other than your own pride.
DarkBunnyLord 6 months ago 2
I can't believe these people don't get it. 1 person in accordance with the law and constitution should have more weight than 10million people who are not. This is a REPUBLIC that is guided by the LAW. Not by the masses. That is why lynching parties are illegal.
gargamel6699 6 months ago
"We've done it for 22 years..." Slavery was "enjoyed" by the white south for a "few" more years than that. Should slavery continue? Have your bible story, but then don't bitch when the muslims or jews want theirs.
neuterpets 6 months ago 2
What has religion got to do with christmas? christmas is about advertising and selling stuff, not some boring old fiction about some cuckolding wife, three crazies, an innkeeper and a donkey..... in the end it doesnt matter, if these news fossils didn't dig up this nonsense nobody would have noticed, nobody would have cared, even the dude who did the readings didnt seem overly concerned.
BraniusBalki 6 months ago
I love how FOX "news" completely did not mention the circumstances which the Bible reading was held under.
Separation of Church and State is only in effect when the state actually sponsors one religion over the other. Which means everyone have a right to display any type of religious on the same public property, which also covers non-believers and the objections against public holiday displays on government properties.
Neosaigo 7 months ago
I love that this is happening more often
Ikorose11 7 months ago
I bet it was on government property or something and they just don't acknowledged that they have broken a federal law.
BTW I thought only Priests gave candy to little kids :)
Bayzz2 7 months ago
The blonde lady:
"This is where we've come... where one person can call up and make it so that a town can't endorse Christianity."
That's right, you uneducated brat... It's not about what the majority wants. It's about a system formed over 200 years ago that protects us against idiots who want to make state religions. Amazing how someone can sleep through kindergarten, then grow up and make a career out of it.
instereovideos 7 months ago 3
" One person can call up and say: just seperate Church and State, just to be a menace..."
What the fuck this bitch smoking.
skormz10 7 months ago 3
Were out to be menaces? You have got to be fucking kidding. That's it! I can't watch this shit anymore!
BARNEYRAPEDME69 8 months ago
So the inability to read a bible verse publicly totally undermines and destroys the entire concept of love, family and community that christmas is supposed to represent? Fox you're the dumbest bunch of stunned cunts on the planet. The biggest hypocrites out there. "We're the only ones who have a right to say what we want! Anybody who opposes our beliefs is impeding on our rights to impede on theirs!"
yoingtin 8 months ago 4
If the US Christian right detests the separation of church and state so much, they should come back to England. Haha!
SkullOfYorick 8 months ago
"good morning mr johnson" T__T kill me...
gan0nsl4y3r 9 months ago
This is the reason why mod rule does not determine what is right or wrong.
If that was the case then the african americans that did not even count as a full person, that counted as 1./2 would still not be allowed to have all the rights they now enjoy as equals to all other people.There were/are a lot more "white" people in america then there are "black" so if mob rule was how it worked then america would still have slaves, since the whites weren't too happy about losing their slaves.
rjh00 9 months ago
@rjh00
actually Southern seccesion was prompted by slave states becoming overpowered in congress by free ones, and even in the south no one really LIKED slavery. slavery was always on its way out
waldoman7 1 month ago
Why is it FOX News EVERY. SINGLE. TIME?!?!
itarethetroll 9 months ago
Dont you just love how they invite the guy they agree with on their show, but none from the opposing side?
Kaldmigtue 10 months ago 4
@Kaldmigtue that's fair and balanced for ya.
instereovideos 7 months ago
Gretchen should not be on a news show. Reporters are meant to look at things from unbiased points of view and she just can't do it. She is still listening to what her imaginary friend tells her to do.
I guess she is doing something good. Every time she speaks a new atheist is born.
pgraham28 10 months ago 2
Fox are a bunch of satanists who use the bible to kill and murder. Fox is a criminal worthy of nothing but contempt and will be the first to go after the revolution!
callouschristian 10 months ago
PRIVATE bible readings.
Problem solved.
punnet2 11 months ago 2
The Mafia got a way with murders, racketeering and many other things for years and years. I'm sure people began to enjoy it too. Doesn't make it right.
musli4brekkies 11 months ago
Saying "separation of church and state" = being a "menace"? Really, Gretchen? Upholding the United States constitution is a hostile act, is it?
Maybe you'd be more comfortable in a theocracy like Saudi Arabia, or something. But oops, they've got the wrong religion over there, don't they?
lucifersgarden 11 months ago 2
Oh boo hoo. There's this thing called freedom from religion. If u wanna hear a fairy tale then u can go to church or open the bible or any other religious text. Why is this even news? Yes of course the town can't afford a lawsuit, but they obviously can't abide by the 1st ammendment either til someone pointed it out to them.
rylove001 1 year ago
Oh this is such a disgrace, now they can't sell their crap in the name of God, what a pity.
bringonthewrath 1 year ago
From now on I shall refer to December 25th at "Atheist-mas." Christianity is now debunked and atheists shall rule the world for six-hundred and sixty-six moons because Christ can no longer be found in the name of a holiday (nor anywhere else).
Spread the word.
FallenSparrow 1 year ago
Of course they don't go for a law-suit. They know they are gonna lose. And if they think closely they know why it's a good thing that they would lose...
Jostedalsosten 1 year ago
Yeah that's how you know if something's right...if you've been doing it for 22 years.then must be right eh?...like apartheid,slavery,segregation,homophobia,no rights for women,sending small children to work in sweatshops,anti-semitism....that woman's intellect is hardly perceivable....
pieter292 1 year ago
It all comes down to whether or not the reading of the Bible is being SPONSORED by the city (i.e. GOVERNMENT) or not. If this is a PRIVATE event, then no problem. If this is a city SPONSORED event, it is inappropriate. Period. It doesn't matter how many people show up or how long they've been doing it.
DevinThomas 1 year ago
Yes, they do acquiesce to the demands of one person. If they didn't, it would be a tyranny of the majority.
xpntrvfggd 1 year ago 22
@xpntrvfggd Wrong. One person calling the shots is tyranny. Majority calling the shots is democracy. LETS HAVE A TYRANNY OF THE MAJORITY. I'm all for it. It has worked for centuries..
skaha77 5 months ago
LOVE that gorgeous blonde reporter
skaha77 5 months ago 2
@xpntrvfggd So now we have tyranny of the minority? WTF how does that make any kind of sense in a federal republic?
arktheball 5 months ago
"This is where we've come as a society: that one person can just call up and say ... constitutional right ... and the entire city aquiesces to the demands of one person" Exactly! That's the whole point of America: that the little guy can stand up to the whole mob and win. You don't need loads of money, or a gun or a fancy lawyer, even if you are in the minority you still have your rights.
Its very rarely that this principle is enforced and we should all rejoice the few times that it is.
Anonymous83767 1 year ago
Love it!!!
yourjunk420 1 year ago
im athesist and think they should be able to read the bible, christmas is a christian event afterall.
dgb751 1 year ago
@Swissarmy48
Hope you like being on the losing side.
Danthemanlyman7 1 year ago
If you don't like the bible reading, then don't go listen to it! But don't be the one who tries to make things difficult for those who do.
Danthemanlyman7 1 year ago
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thats democracy bitch! suck it up!
VarykGerai 1 year ago
to christians: cry a little harder
lolhowdoishotweblol 1 year ago
This is the reason why the Founders put religion into the 1st Amendment, to put it beyond the possibility of voting. One person or a thousand, it doesn't matter. You can't vote rights away.
Naiant 1 year ago 23
i like how she say 1 person can call up and say seperation of church and state..... yes 1 person can call up and say thats not allowed under the law and everyone has to stop doing it!!!!
so what, 1 person rings up and now we cant go around raping children, what a mence that 1 person is
vejbok 1 year ago
@vejbok Exactly how do you equate people freely & legally expressing expressing their personal beliefs (I.E. this bible reading) with pedophillia? this debate has little to do with church-state separation: we're not talking about lawmaking and legislation, If that were the context then you'd have a good point; we're talking about a public celebration and profession of beliefs under freedom of speech.
Peace, God bless you;
PS. from a christian who believes in separation of church and state
blackoutninja 1 year ago
Religious fools!
lordabomity 1 year ago
Any activity sponsored or funded by a local, State, or Federal agency shall have no ties to any Religion; this is all because of Separation of Church and State, what's so hard to understand?
Bennyliz 1 year ago
"Can you think of any law?" FREEDOM OF RELIGION!
devo85x 1 year ago
you're a menace because you mention church and state?
AutumnAlmonds 1 year ago 2
mmmmmm...gretchen carlson looks so yummy...
fmandld 1 year ago
if atheists don't like the Christian way, they can go screw off. i wish they would just leave us Christians alone
codyjt5150 1 year ago
@codyjt5150 then why cant the chrstians leave the atheists alone?
themine691 1 year ago
...and you indoctrinate the children.
Take your brainwashing, mind-control, child-abuse and SHOVE IT!
PR13STG0RD0 1 year ago
wow i can't believe that Canada might get it's own version of Faux News
InnerSmile72 1 year ago
@InnerSmile72 Dude that sucks!Assuming u live there, u should fight that cuz I live in America and it pains me everyday to have these uneducated biased morons at Fox claim to represent me.
punkzz1000 1 year ago
Bible reading has been a "hit"...What a hoot these people are...
papersplease 1 year ago
This is so fucking stupid, whining biased christian douchebags.
There is a seperation of curch and state and so it shall remain. If you want to believe in retarded fairytales you are discqualified in my mind to hold any position of responsibility.
gatzu86 1 year ago
The rational is its illegal. If i am breaking the law for 22 years that does not make it right. Separation of Church and State its the law.
poolandr 1 year ago
good for that one person. I take the constitution over "tradition" any-day. God these people are fucking dumb. Tennessee? No wonder...
deavyin 1 year ago
lol. So no bible reading at Christmas? What exactly do you think Christmas is?
MrKli4d 1 year ago
@MrKli4d
The only reason Christmas is a national holiday is because of secular rituals.
KayleLang 1 year ago
@KayleLang centered around and celebrating a Christian holiday.
MrKli4d 1 year ago
@MrKli4d
I know, but it's the law to remove the religious part of the holiday, or have no Christmas at all.
KayleLang 1 year ago
@KayleLang I'd have to say you'd have to separate Christmas from any type of publically owned area unless you're going to allow everyone to express their beliefs in that area.
MrKli4d 1 year ago
@KayleLang
honestly, capitalism (which drives christmas and other national holidays) IS a religion to many and especially to those free market fucktards on the extreme right so I'd have to say it is VERY religious in nature /sarcasm.
deavyin 1 year ago
@MrKli4d
It's a celebration of the winter solstice that predates Christianity by forever (it's a natural phenomenon). Julius Caesar in 46 BCE established December 25th as the date of the winter solstice. It wasn't until later when Christians were fucking everything up and turning everything pagan into a Christian as a means of destroying paganism that it got it's Christian connotation. Jesus, if he existed, wasn't even born on December 25th. That is what I think Christmas REALLY is.
deavyin 1 year ago 2
@deavyin The winter solstice isn't on December 25th either. Would you mind explaining further what predates Christians "fucking everything up"? Did the Christmas tree predate Christmas? Gift giving and Santa?
MrKli4d 1 year ago
@MrKli4d Of course, read some history. The "christmas tree" is pagan as well. It's evergreen because in winter, it's the only evergreen that survives cold harsh weather. In ancient Rome, they used to decorate it with apples. It wasn't until the German Prince took the holiday tree to England in Victorian times, that the tree became "Christmas tree". In regards to Santa, the figure of Odin, a major god amongst the Germanic peoples prior to their Christianization that played a major influence.
bluehoneycomb 1 year ago
@MrKli4d Even Easter has pagan roots, with the germanic Eoester goddess of fertility, meaning cycle, spring. So, Christians plagiarize everything, yes.
bluehoneycomb 1 year ago
"It's what everyone wants to hear." Define "everyone".
AntigoneRisen 1 year ago
Someone needs to educate Gretchen on the origins of Christmas.
Vindaven 1 year ago
@Vindaven
someone also needs to educate her on the first amendment
dmc967 1 year ago
The simple answer i would think is that the guy turns up and does the reading anyway, so long as the government isn'tendorsing it.
It wasn't banned the mayor just can't endorse it.
BlueGlowingLight4 1 year ago
"It's what everyone wants to hear"
Read it in your church then.
corkbender 1 year ago
Gotta love these arguments.
"We've been doing this for 20 years"
"They Are Acquiescing to the whims of 1 person"
As if that makes it right. Blacks were pushed to the back of the bus for a long time too. And Rosa Parks was just 1 person.
Does that mean that they were right??
Tiger97 1 year ago
1st amendment creates a wall between church and state. Public schools are run by the state, therefore no religion in public schools.
ziggy471961 1 year ago
Why can't you fucking religious people keep your superstitious nonsense in your own homes. Why ask non xians to pay for your religious ceremonies. You want that god bullshit? Go to fucking church.
lagnaf007 1 year ago
maybe cuz 100 percent are NOT religious, let alone Christian, bunch of ignoramouses
theoneandonlyroelle 1 year ago
This sounds suspiciously similar to how some people reacted to the civil rights movement "We've been segregating them on our buses for years and everyone is fine with it and now because of one arrogant woman, they're trying to desegregate the buses. Merry christmas, with Christ, a good old n****r hating, blond haired, blue eyed, American!"
mikedamat 1 year ago
This is bull***t, the threat of lawsuit shouldn't be nearly enough to get this removed. I'm borderline atheist, but I absolutely cannot stand frivolous lawsuits where one guy/girl throws a fit and everybody has to suffer. Does it really do anyone harm if the town does this? If you don't like it, don't go, get them to celebrate your holiday when it comes around, but don't be a douchebag and take the fun from the people who do believe it and want to enjoy this.
freakyphysicsguy 1 year ago
@freakyphysicsguy I agree, this doesn't seem like a very big deal. I doubt the town would stop a Jewish display or recitation; though someone might rightfully argue that the town can't promote one or any religion, if the town is willing to represent them all equally, I don't think it's a huge deal.
thurstonite 1 year ago
@freakyphysicsguy However, we also have to keep in mind one of the pillars of American society: protecting the rights of the minority from the whims of the majority. As a matter of principle, it makes no different whether 200 people, twenty people, or one person complains about such an issue: if someone's rights are being violated, the majority has to change so that nobody's rights are infringed upon.
This can seem frustrating, but it's a crucial principle of our democracy.
thurstonite 1 year ago
@freakyphysicsguy I somewhat agree. The pig-headedness of many atheists about these issues is somewhat absurd. When it directly involves someone coming up to you and screaming in your face, then take it to court. I.e. Jehovah Witnesses barging in and standing on your doorstep all day. (It happened to me today... was hilarious.)
JuniorDExchangecore 1 year ago
@JuniorDExchangecore State funded religion is not tolerable. It does not have to take any violence for people to request change.
Eron2828 1 year ago
@Eron2828 I am not a supporter of either. If someone is going onto my property, and talks to me in a way that I believe is offensive, of course I'm taking the bastard to court. Legal violence, I guess you could say. Also I am an atheist, I seemed a little vague.
JuniorDExchangecore 1 year ago
@JuniorDExchangecore Yea. The "pig-headedness" of atheists is one of the mainstream's favorite stereotypes. I hardly think the label is fair.
Some of these law-suits etc etc can be petty and annoying, but I prefer that to the alternative.
Eron2828 1 year ago
@Eron2828 Many or some. :)
JuniorDExchangecore 1 year ago
Pious, self-righteuos, hypocrite Christians!
NWAWskeptic 1 year ago
You know, I never thought the day would come that I would find myself defending Fox 'News' or crazy Christians. I'm a strong atheist, but if a small town in Tennessee has a Christmas tradition that involves publicly reading the bible, let 'em read it. Maybe I'm making assumptions about the town's demographics but that one person is kinda being a dick. Of course, the reading could be held in private, but I suspect that would kill their fun. We need to be less petty.
jonwold82 2 years ago
Im with you. I am an atheist, and I don't see the harm in this and I think it's sad that the war against christianity or atheism has escalated this far.
Arkanix 2 years ago
It's not like they can't do it at church or a private gathering...They don't have to do it at a public/town sponsored event..
How would you like it if your town/city had bible reading with your tax money.
It's this kind of tradition that perpetuates the idea that the U.S. is a Xtian nation.
I'm glad someone had enough sense to call the mayor and put a stop to it.
yo1o2eggs 2 years ago
Obviously, they could do it in a church or in private, but put yourself in the position of these Christians. I doubt the reading costs the town much money, and, as to your question, I wouldn't mind a reading of the bilbe on Christmas at all. The bible is one of the most important pieces of literature in Western Culture, and it's especially relevant on Christmas, a time when almost all of us, even non-christians, celebrate the winter solstice. This stuff is bad PR.
jonwold82 2 years ago
Im an atheist too, but I dont agree with your comments whatsoever. This reading above all was public reading, not a private reading. The city is sponsering/promoting one religious faith over all others. Why not a Torah reading? a Koran reading? or even Buddist meditations? Why just Bible readings? If this is something sanctionened by the city, then it shouldnt be exclusive to 1 particular religious faith over all others.
Now this would be completely different if it were done in a church.
Key2daUnderground 2 years ago
They read the Bible because, I'm guessing, the vast majority of the town is Christian. If that's not the case, then my comment doesn't stand, but I acknowledged that idea in my original comment.
This idea that because America is a multicultural nation, small, bible belt towns should be inclusive of hindus and such, sounds like some PC crap.
I was born and raised in the bible belt, not too far from this town. I assure you, there are more important battles to fight here.
jonwold82 2 years ago
"This idea that because America is a multicultural nation, small, bible belt towns should be inclusive of hindus and such, sounds like some PC crap".
Majority rules then huh?
Key2daUnderground 2 years ago
No, that is a false dilemma fallacy. If the vast majority of the town (defined as, say, greater than 95%) is Christian, and the other 5% are a mixture of other faiths and non-believers, and only a small percentage of those people care about the reading, it is obnoxious that they can dictate what the town does. If we were talking about something more important than a Bible reading one day out of the year or if we were talking about a 51% majority Christian town, my argument would be different.
jonwold82 2 years ago
Are you kidding me? A town, a city, a state where 100% of its populus pays taxes should never adhere to the religious sentiments of a majority, regardless if its 95% or even 99.9%. That %5, however minuscule in numbers compared to the majority, still has the right to not have their worldviews excluded, dismissingly pushed to the side by the state in favor for the public religious promotion of the majority. Its not a false dilemma fallacy whatsoever, this is democracy at work.
Key2daUnderground 2 years ago
It is a false dilemma fallacy to say that there are only two options: read from every text or none at all as if there were no other options. I think you're missing my point though. I'm not saying that the one person in this town is not or should not be legally entitled to impose their will on the rest of the town. My point is that it is obnoxious and petty to do so. Atheists have a reputation for being contrarian and arrogant. This unfocused activism corroborates those stereotypes.
jonwold82 2 years ago
Im actually in favor of reading from every text or none if it involves something state sanctioned. I honestly dont know of 3rd option.
I still dont see why you find the mayor's/senator's (forgot which one)decision to remove the public reading in order to make the event more inclusive (or fear of legal action) as obnoxious & petty. It's principle.
As far as atheists having a reputation (or stereotype) of being arrogant, I dont give too much thought on it, as long as whats being done is just.
Key2daUnderground 2 years ago
One 3rd option I can think of is that the event include a formal welcoming of people from other faiths while maintaining its decidedly Christian theme. Maybe they could just shorten the reading. Whatever.
I don't find the mayor's decision obnoxious. I find the protests of the caller obnoxious, and I think about our reputation because we live in a political world where mobs of people can latch onto stupidity. I care that it is illegal to hold office in some states if you're an atheist.
jonwold82 2 years ago
but we arent a like-group. what reputation ca we obtain when the only thing we as a group have in common is out disbelief in god? you and I having different opinions on this situation demonstrates that. I wouldnt be too worried. Even if an atheist sounds like a dick, therell always be an atheist next to him that will call him one. Will theists not vote for an atheist politician? Maybe not, but if they have a perception of all of us being pricks, its only bcz they have a bigoted generalized view.
Key2daUnderground 2 years ago
You're absolutely right that theists who view us in generalized, negative terms are bigots, but I say we take a page from Gandhi, MLK and Malcom X: prove them wrong by being so beyond reproach that such claims appear more and more ridiculous to people who haven't made up their minds.
Also, maybe we should spend more time thinking about how we are like one another. You and I may disagree about this video, but we both seem to agree that homogenized, Christian fascism is dangerous.
jonwold82 2 years ago
just a note here Atheists have made up their minds, they don't beleive in god, what you are thinking of is agnostics, and it's more of a lack of substance to believe in than rather a "make up your mind" choice. The fact of the mater in this video is that the town doesn't have a right to cater to any religion regardless of what it's population is. That's illegal to the highest standing document of legality in this nation. Don't start some christmas is a christian thing either because it's not
FinalEvilElpis 2 years ago
No, I'm not talking about agnosticism. A person can not believe in God without feeling the need to deconvert others. What you're talking about is antitheism. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm talking about agnosticism. If you'd read my comments more carefully, you'd notice I don't question the legality of the naysayers complaint. I question the fact that he/she and too many people commenting on this video spend their time whining about little things and need to pick their battles.
jonwold82 2 years ago
ok while i'll admit that I misread and jumped the gun in regard to the previous statement, however i'll also argue that it's all the little stuff and not just the big stuff that's part of the overall problem. However I fail to see where I said anything of deconverting or antitheism, I misread your comment in regard to making a choice on a deity and refered to that as agnostic, but it's more of a search for truth than anything.
FinalEvilElpis 2 years ago
Fair enough. You didn't say anything about antitheism either. I was trying to read between the lines in your comment and apparently missed.
You make a fair point about the little things too. The civil rights movement was kicked off with Rosa Parks not moving to the back of the bus. However, I think we do better by ourselves, in terms of little things, when we stand our ground politely, courageously and ethically in everyday encounters with theists (like on youtube).
jonwold82 2 years ago
One last thing since i ran out of room... using lawyers is rarely fun. Its sometimes necessary, but there's something weaselly about people who fight with lawyers.
jonwold82 2 years ago
well it's part of the way the laws work, you either have to have a new law made per congress or have the judicial system declare it unconstitutional. Either way it takes unpleasant things, you find a way around it, go for it.
FinalEvilElpis 2 years ago
Cool buddy.
jonwold82 2 years ago
They read the bible, because Christianity has had fascist like control over the south for hundreds of years. They still think it is acceptable to force people to pray to Christ in public school; not to their individual god, but to Christ. We are talking about the least educated, most racist, and most easily influenced region of our country. Like stated in the video, they had every right to read their fable in public, as long as tax payers didn't have to fit the bill. Two words: public permits.
macdadew 2 years ago
Haha I love how the banner at the bottom says "True Christmas Story Banned". Not the "traditional" or "original" Christmas story, the "true" one.
Come on Fox News, are you even going to /attempt/ to look like you're not shamelessly pandering to the Christian fundies? I mean, we all know you are, but you could at least /try/ to make us look wrong.
IAmTheGreekMind 2 years ago
the blonde bitch is dishonest and its a joke to refer to her as a journalist.
Crosisborg 2 years ago
its the law and it seemed like after 23 years someone finally called it out? nothing is stopping those people who gathered from doing it privately so.... whats the issue?
Demithehunter 2 years ago
Take notes, atheists.
Fair is fair.
That town is unconcerned with discriminating against anyone who is not a Christian.
It doesn't matter that discrimination is a tradition. It's still wrong.
Should we allow a town to hold KKK meetings - if it was a tradition?
Ignorant shits.
hybridamerica 2 years ago 3
Don't any of the people in government know anything about separation of church and state..? Wake up ... We expect Fox to screw it up... They've been bought out by the religious right... You can't get any level from them... And its not illegal for the KKK to hold meeting... It's just not ok to pillage and burn, like they did in the ol' days... Maybe if you guys read the constitution... Try it.... It is there to protect everyone from the irrationals...
lentmain 2 years ago
The world would be a better place without religion....
lentmain 2 years ago
It would!!
Paulwhoisvegan 2 years ago
"And its not illegal for the KKK to hold meeting... It's just not ok to pillage and burn, like they did in the ol' days..."
You are absolutely correct, but in hybridamerica's defense, I tihnk he/she meant that it is illegal for the "city" to sponser a KKK meeting the way they attempted to do with this Bible preaching.
Key2daUnderground 2 years ago
I have Nothing wrong with christianity I just don't follow it, Separation of Church and State Forbids this in Public I ain't saying Practice the faith but Maybe keep it towards yourself, I read the quran to myself and Islam is more real to me then Christianity.
FOX NEWS is not a Real News Orgnaization Its a Hate Group and they get paid millions to spread Hate to everyone else.
Feel sorry for this guy though.
Underdog123 2 years ago 3
christ don't want to be associated with fakeass paganchristmas!
deefirst 2 years ago 2
a small victory for those of us who find christianity unpatriotic. This post-pagan ritual reading from the Book of Lies is polluting the minds of kids. Keep this nonsense out of the public square and in the church. They do it at publicly funded events and in town squares and they wonder why people object?
PlanetoftheAtheists 2 years ago
its the christains fault when this happens. they are too busy feeding their faces to get out and speak up against such evil. If Christ story can not be told then Christmas should not be allowed at all in public. period. the celebration is either going to be shared and acknwoledged about Christ or give it up.
combatvetlawstudent 2 years ago
If the roles were reversed they would be all like 'ohh it only takes one person to make a stand to make a difference'.
y0nd3r 2 years ago
"Christ is actually in that word." Wow, what a frigging genius. I don't see babes in microskirts like this on the Daily Show! She looks better than Coulter, anyway.
"TRUE Christmas story banned"--I wonder if the story mentions the pagan holiday the Christians ripped off to make Christmas--I noticed they used the word "Yuletide" and mentioned the Christmas tree lighting.
Those damn atheists are at it again! Why don't they just sit down and shut up?! Because we pay the taxes you're using.
tctheunbeliever 2 years ago
All religions or none, none being the secular choice. America finally waking up to the nonsense that is religion.
That woman is so annoying too, "christ"mas ... omg lol,
Scanini 2 years ago 9
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KEEP IT IN YOUR CHURCH
GENITALWART5 2 years ago
People use to beat their slaves and smoke in theater's too...
Hey..I guess the party is over for theocrats.
billybee53 2 years ago
she is always such a bitch, i want to punch her in the face.
Can't you just see it? the time is 1863 and some dumbass southerner is saying "what the hell? we've had slaves for hundreds of years! THAT's how we know it works!"
qtzlctl2012 2 years ago 3
We should apparently silence the minority/dissenting opinions.
selectivexhearing 2 years ago 2
xmas..yes XMAS isn't even a christian holiday. it was the roman celebration of the winter solstice
XxDEFTONESxX 2 years ago 2
I have a suggestion. How about have the celebration but don't make it a town/city thing. Have it done by a Church instead. This shifts responsibility from the Mayor and to the Church itself. A person could hardly sue a church for celebrating one of it's holidays.
TheCheshiresmile9 2 years ago 9
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ohhh yes!! especially if it is done on CHURCH property. now, if it is done on city property, we got you.
y0nd3r 2 years ago
Belief in an all-knowing, all-powerful supreme cosmic dictator who created the universe is not only very childish and illogical, it's simply ridiculous and highly embarrassing for any serious adult to admit.
The clear cognitive dissonance displayed by followers of organised religion is currently the world's most pressing mental health challenge.
For those ready to seek help, the book The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins may be a good place to start.
HumanistWikitopian 2 years ago 37
Regardless, its still THEIR right to believe, and celebrate as they wish...
T2Bband 2 years ago
sadly it isn't embarrassing to admit it in many circles.
it's not really a mental health problem because many people don't hurt themselves or others. we can't lock up everybody just because they are delusional, nor should we. only those who pose a threat to themselves or others
NegativeNick 2 years ago
those god damn founders how dare they come up with the concept of separation of church and state, didn't they know this was a christian nation.
jpc08109 2 years ago 26
Thats Faux News for ya...
ParadigmaticShift 2 years ago 7
1:55 one person can excerise their constitutional rights! and she makes it sound like a tragedy while also complaining about what our society has become. I think she is implying that people are getting educated and it scares her because she is dumber then a box of rocks!
davidmurderbass 2 years ago 4
lol, it's 'than' not 'then'. now who's dumb?
NegativeNick 2 years ago
@NegativeNick clearly me, perhaps I shouldn't let my emotions get the better of me when I leave snarky comments on YouTube
MERRY CHRISTMAS!
davidmurderbass 2 years ago
2:06 - "for 22 years, this is how you know what you're doing is right" - Slavery in the US lasted for 258 years - is this right also?
OccamsView 2 years ago 6
22 years everyone was fine with it, so that makes it okay.
Wait, how long were the celts performing human sacrifices? Hm.
DasMustafah 2 years ago 4
CHRISTIANS... READ THE BIBLE...Romans 13 tell you whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. FOLLOW THE LAW... even if your little christian brain does not understand why...
sigmet61 2 years ago
wow.. one person called and asked that people follow the law.. that is all....
We have broken the law for 20 years... is not an excuse to continue breaking the law..
sigmet61 2 years ago 2
Totally agree.
This is America. Government should not impose religion on people. People can believe in whatever they'd like, but they have no right to impose their religion, no matter how dominant, on anyone else.
Optics233 2 years ago 4
Imagine reading the story of the nativity at a celebration honoring that very thing. What a novel concept?
vidguy67 2 years ago