In Vitro Fertilization?

[ConsideringMatt]

@xSnakeEyezz Not all Christians fast, but When Christians choose to fast it opens the doors to God to reveal things to you or speak to you in a way that you maybe were not ready for previously. Fasting doesnt always have to be food either. When I fast I look for something that I feel I spend more time on than I spend with God. (movies, tv, video games)

[tubian323]

How was any of what was said here "really offensive"?

[jamcow3]

@tubian323 he is taking into consideration the demographics of his audience.

[klickenpod]

"I'm a philosophy minor who has studied this issue in depth..."

Ohhh, ok. He's legit. (sarc. >:[..)

[terriemc2]

the answer = do "mini in-vitro." Maximum number of embryos is typically 3 and carrying triplets is humanly possible.

[za4p2379]

No, we are not born infertile. Our world culture has never seen such an age of infertility since the start of birth control (cause #1), STDs (which were three, until the 1970s which became 33, and not 400+ strains of just HPV alone!..it causes scar tissue so embryo doesn't attach and grow), abortion rate (scar tissue from suction, cutting, and scraping), and multiple sexual partners (the uterus of a woman literally gets "confused" and rejects sperm). The answer is taking care of your fertility.

[Lucyisfive]

@za4p2379 Actually, some people are born infertile (just as people can be born with other parts of their body that are affected by defect/disease etc..) others are affected with infertility issues due to disease, infection, injury, etc.. Most causes of infertility are involuntary. Everyone should take care of their health, include their reproductive health, but as we all know, disease and health issues still happen to people even when they are taking care of their health.

[greenhorns99]

Thank you for this sir. Me & my girlfriend are quite a ways from starting a family. We are both believers in Jesus, though different denominations, I'm Christian, she's Catholic. We are both saving ourselves for marriage to start a family. Whether we marry someone else or eachother. Though I think we are a perfect match, in this country especially, it's very difficult to find a mate who has not had sex before marriage or hasn't been divorced. I really think I found my match.

[greenhorns99]

We are both disabled and in a wheelchair. We cannot even kiss on the lips, we cannot even get close enough to eachother. I'm figuring it's possible once we possibly get married, that the only way we can have children is "in vitro". We'd have no intent of destroying any eggs, just fertilizing an egg to make a baby. I don't think her body can handle a baby. Is a surrogate ok?

[newcoyote]

Religion has no business in this. In fact religion should have no business in anything until it gets it head out of it's own ass. Religion is archaic, asinine and absurd. Get your grubby hands out of peoples lives!

[PatchKndl]

this new commandment i give unto you is to love one another as i have loved youuuuuuuu!

[canzo0378]

"cut the crap" to 1'57"

[millicentbinks]

the man in this video is the most hideously arrogent and ignorant person ever!

so he would like 9 embryos implanted into him would he?

no man can say that! its so easy for him to say.

smug idiot.

[chaste4lyf]

There are SO many more wrong things about IVF than murdering unused embryobnic people. It's dangerous mentally, physically & spiritually. The answer is CREIGHTON MODEL SYSTEM. IVF is NOT of God. "THY will be done."I'm a Christiain nurse who is deeply involved with medical ethics and moral theology. I see the effects like cancer, depression in woman undergoing IVF. The men who masturbate to porn in the "doc's office" to get the "sample"....terrible! And the babies end up with problems. NOT of GOD

[Lucyisfive]

You can undergo IVF without discarding a single living viable embryo. So, NO, IVF is not about "murdering" embryos.

While you might be a nurse, you clearly are not very educated on the medical facts involved in IVF. IVF doesn't cause depression, the stress of a significant illness such as infertiltiy is what causes depression.

And studies have shown there is not an overall increase in cancer due to IVF (check your facts, instead of using assumptions and anecdotal stories as evidance).

[Lucyisfive]

The creighton model is NOT medical treatment. Infertility is due to a medical problem, a disease of the reproductive system and there is nothing dangerous about using medicine to treat a medical problem. Yes, there are some minor risks, like there are will pretty much every medical treatment or procedure for any other disease/problem.

And NO, it is most certainly not mentally or spiritually dangerous either.

[Lucyisfive]

No medical treatment is "of god". As a nurse you work with all kinds of medical treatments and procedures, none of them are "of god" yet when it comes to treating the biological reproductive system then suddenly you/some religions/ have issues with medical treatment because it involves reproduction/sex?

Men provide a semen sample in a doctors office, there is nothing "terrible" about a normal bodily function/fluid provided when needed for testing and treatment of a medical problem.

[greenhorns99]

@Lucyisfive @Lucyisfive no medical treatment is of god?Where did you get knowledge like this? Do you know the bible front to back? God gave us brains to do smart things, medical treatments are smart, as long as the medical treatment doesn't disobey god, like birth control related, abortion, and other. I'm sure God has no problem with heart surgery, stents, spinal fusions, sinus surgery, removing tumours, life saving digestive system procedures, like c-bags, g-tubes, stitches, whatever, etc. etc.

[Lucyisfive]

As a nurse you should have been aware, read, and understood the studies regarding the health of children conceived with the assistance of IVF before making that statement.

While there is an increased risk of birth defects, those defects are generally minor. Further to that many of the issues are thought to be more likely to be related to the underlying medical problems that necessitated IVF, not IVF itself. In many cases women with type 1 diabeates have a higher risk of defects than IVF.

[vanillapie]

@chaste4lyf If God did not want IVF to be here, then He would not allow it in the first place. You say you are a nurse? You cannot even spell or write a correct sentence. Any REAL nurse would be able to correctly spell words like "embryonic".

[drumbum1309]

@vanillapie ...well we have nuclear weapons so I guess God wants those to exist also....just because we can do something doesn't mean we should

[SkateSurfSnowMedia]

@drumbum1309 All babies are from gods image. If god didnt want himself to be inside someone, he wouldnt let them be born. Get your head out of your ass.

[Tagger1020]

@chaste4lyf

assuming a moron like you could actually pass the NCLEX (which let's face it you didn't so shut up),

I hope you haven't actually treated anyone with your half-assed knowledge of medicine.

Please quit being a nurse (again assuming you are one, which you're not) and go be a sister in a church in the mountains, you'd be doing any potential patients a favor

[r3ck0rd]

Hey, cut it off guys, he's a pastor, not a biologist!

[Lucyisfive]

That isn't an excuse to not be fully informed and educated on the subject ones is preaching on (or against parts of).

[mysterymelody]

Why not fertilize one egg and if it fails use another one.If you are pregnant and there is eggs left donate those unfetilized eggs so that another couple could use them

[Lucyisfive]

Eggs that are not fertilized don't freeze/thaw/survive well. At this point it would drastically reduce the odds of success. The science of egg freezing has vasty improved in the past 5-10 years, so that could become a reality in the near future for some patients (some success is already being seen in egg freezing ivf cycles but nowhere close to regular IVF rates of success yet). Donating your eggs/embryos/sperm is a difficult choice to make for anyone.

[mindyourbizok]

To: mhcseattle,

I love your videos, but I disagree with you on the issue of using all of your eggs. An unfertilized egg is not a living thing. Women's eggs that are not fertilized are distroyed by a natural process called mensturation. So, if the family doesn't want to use all of the eggs, they should distroy the eggs.

[justifiedbygracealon]

mindyourbizok, I think you will find if you listen to it again that he is referring to eggs that have been harvested and then fertilized but not used. Mensturation disposes (generally) of unfertilized eggs.

[Lucyisfive]

eggs that have been fertilized are embryos.

[Lucyisfive]

and menstration quite often 'disposes' of conceived embryos as well as unfertilized eggs...many many many concieved embryos fail to survive...many of those losses occur before one knows they are pregnant. The reality is that a large percentage of human embryos are simply not viable by nature.

[Lucyisfive]

If a couple is actively trying to conceive, then actually there is a good chance that they are conceiving during some of those 'negative' cycles where they don't become pregnant with a viable pregnancy or even miss a period, and those embryos are being disposed of during menstration. This is thought to be quite common. It takes on average 6-12 months for most couples to conceive naturally...it is very likely that several embryos could have been 'lost' during those months with natural trying.

[chaste4lyf]

this is doe to the use of contraception by the couple when they didn't "want" a child. Contraception destroys chemical reactors in the woman, and it prevents sperm which is nutritive to the cervix. Practicing Catholics who do not use anti-life devices before marriage, have literally no trouble becomming prengnant when they "want" children. Being open to the Holy Spirit...also means accepting His will...even if it means no pregnancy. We must let God be God people!!!

[Lucyisfive]

You need to go back to school. Catholics are just as likely to be infertile as anyone else. Infertility is an involuntary disease that is NOT caused by contraceptive use!

Reproduction is a bodily function like any other, and if it isn't working it is no different than if any other body part isn't working.

Unless you are against ALL medical treatments in favor of being "open to the holy spirit" to cure/heal every other medical problem you are just a hypocrite.

[tara37830]

@Lucyisfive well everytime i have gone to a doctor they give you a shot that makes you sicker, and i also get sicker, as child growing up i went to a doctor maybe 4 times, from age 1 til 18. i have not had a period in almost 2 years, and if i were to go a doctor about it they would give me a pill, birth control, and the pill does not do what they say it does, it makes it worst. I have the same issue as my mom, and threw praying and God's grace, she had my brother and me in her 30's.

[Lucyisfive]

@tara37830

A great many people with fertility problems do eventually get pregnant, even without medical treatment. Infertility is usually a difficulty in getting pregnant, not a complete inability to. Not having regular periods can be a sign of a condition called PCOS (which can make it harder to get pregnant for some women- but not usually impossible). PCOS patients are often prescribed birth control pills to help control symptoms, sometimes it helps, sometimes it doesn't.

[tara37830]

@Lucyisfive Sorry i had a GYno, look at me for an hour, found out i had not had a period in a year, told me a PCOS, I don't have any of the signs, and i had nothing on my Ovaries when they finally did the test. Have you ever looked up whats in the Pill or the Shot? My aunt DIED from the Pill. It gave her cancer, The human body is meant to naturally found things in the body, and most of the food we eat has no Nutrition, full of GMO's. And we take meds they use to make horse's Sterile for B.C.

[Lucyisfive]

@tara37830

I wasn't advocating for or against the pill, only explaining that sometimes it helps pcos symptoms and sometimes doesn't. Yes, I know what is in the pill. I am not suggesting anyone should choose it or not. Not having a period for a year IS a typical "sign" of pcos, so I am not sure how you figure you didn't have any signs of pcos. To be properly diagnosed if you have or don't have pcos, you should generally be evaluated by a reproductive endocrinologist, not a regular OB/GYN.

[tara37830]

@Lucyisfive I truly think that if woman stopped eating so bad, worked out some. and same for guys, that their bodies would be okay, We should look to God for healing us, not a human doctor who knows not what he is doing. Like I think woman should have home births and kids should not get a shot till at least the age of 4. Just think of what we are doing to ourselves to be healthy.... and we are not.....

[Lucyisfive]

@tara37830

it is a false assumption that anyone with fertility problems, (or pcos, or any other ailment) does not eat healthy, exercise regularly etc... health issues are not always due to unhealthy lifestyles. Don't blame women or men for their disease by suggesting it is somehow their fault. If you are against western medicine and feel it is best for you to never use modern medicine (no medicine, no hospital, no doctor...) and just pray for healing, that is up to you and your choice.

[tara37830]

@Lucyisfive Well From what i have read and seen One, healthy eating and being fit does help alot. GMO's cuse a bunch of health issues like issues with making a baby, The chemical in cigarettes also don't help, If your bi polar or have a mental issue and are having baby you can not take your meds. So why put man made chemical in your body? Why try to play god? He does it ten times better. Do you know how many GMO's you eat a day? How many harmful chemicals your body has to take?

[Lucyisfive]

@tara37830 Seems you have strayed WAY off topic. Of course being healthy, eating well helps people be and stay healthy....what is your point exactly? That no one should use modern medicine if they have an illness of disease? If you believe that no modern medicine should be used, and rather only prayer should be used to treat any and all health problems, go for it. But some people do choose to use modern "chemicals" to treat health problems and that is a choice they are free to make.

[Lucyisfive]

@tara37830

Treating infertility, using medical treatment to assist someone in conceiving is NOT "playing God". It is treating a diseased body part like is done with any other medical problem.

[tara37830]

@Lucyisfive If God wanted us to take medicine and read a tomato with a fish gene in it to make it more red, I think he would done it himself...... And just think whats that doing to your body, If you live off cardboard every day of your life how well are you going to be? Did Eve use body wash thats all chemicals? How do you know what your putting in your body was meant for you?

[Lucyisfive]

@tara37830

again...if you are against ALL modern medicine and choose to NEVER use ANY medications EVER - even if you are in pain, or dying, etc... that is your choice. That does NOT however, mean that is without question the one true and only God-approved choice. I am in favor of eating healthy, avoiding as many un-natural things as possible, and using modern medicine with careful consideration...but I AM okay with medical treatment if it is needed.

[tara37830]

@Lucyisfive Kids with ADD are taking SPEED. Their minds are just growing, And we give them a medicine to make them sit still in school, when they just need to run it off. It causes alot more problems later on. I went to a doctor for headaches, so bad i would cry. He gave me Neurotin. Its a ANTI Seizure med. Off label for bi polar and headaches. IT can cause seizures.... He never told me that. And when it did not work, he added in Cypress. Even when it made me sicker.

[Lucyisfive]

@tara37830

In my opinion, it is a cop-out to suggest it is your doctors fault for not telling you about any or all potential side effect of a medication he recommends you take. It is up to YOU as a patient to take RESPONSIBILITY for your OWN health and to spend the time and effort to learn and find out about what you are being prescribed and what the potential risks and benefits are and make YOUR OWN decision if it is right for you.

[diehardsweetheart]

@tara37830 This kind of statement can only be made by an uneducated ignorant human being with no real understanding of medicine. All women should have home births? What about those who are high risk? Do you know how irresponsible that is? Also, there are many diseases that are FATAL to newborns/ infants, that aren't fatal to older children/adults, so putting off some of those vaccines is, again, irresponsible. Please don't give out medical advice, I highly doubt you're qualified to do so

[tara37830]

@diehardsweetheart Well Most women are not high risk, and watch Pregnant in America, Its a wonderful movie about home births and the racket the health care system has going. They have brainwashed people into thinking having a homebirth is a bad thing, when if your healthy and have a good mid wife, its better. In no way should a high risk person have a home birth, but my mom was healthy and they wanted to cut her open becuz her first baby took too long, like 4 hours ...

[tara37830]

@diehardsweetheart and i know woman who have been in labor for 18 hours before the 90's when hospitals went from a place to have help while having a baby to a Fast food way of getting as much money out of people. So I think if the person is comfortable with it, they should do it. Its all about what they want really. Have you ever done any research on homebirths? or do you only think its for nutjob woman.

God made woman to bear children, our bodies know what to do

[tara37830]

@diehardsweetheart and also look at what you eat, what you bath with .... How many GMO's do you eat? and about shots, just think of this way, Would you rub Poison Ivy on your body if a doctor told you it would make you immune to it for the rest of your life? Or every year? and If you load up the system with a lot shots its over whelming, they also have shots that can turn off the system so it has to work harder to kill the virus they put in your body. I have not had a shot since i was 15, 2005

[tara37830]

@diehardsweetheart and the one before that was when i was 5 for grade K and i only went to the hospital when i needed to, never really saw a doctor and when the kids at school were getting sick, i was the healthy one .... I hardly ever missed school for being sick, i had the flu once and the chicken pox once. That was about it, the WHOLE time i was in school, I had food poisoning too once in the 6 th grade. 

[diehardsweetheart]

@tara37830 I fully support women with low risk pregnancies having an assisted homebirth, but I also support a women's right to CHOOSE where she gives birth and where she feels most comfortable whether under a midwife's care or an OB's care, whether she delivers at home or in a hospital. I don't criticize women based on their parenting preferences. Doctors don't preform csections after 4 hours unless something was wrong, so your mothers either an idiot or a liar, take your pick.

[tara37830]

@diehardsweetheart and how many kids have you had? and I believe my mom, They were ready to get tongs and try to pull him out and if that would not work they were getting ready to send her down, she ripped her self cuz she pushed so hard to get him out, and when i was born the doctor waited about 5 hours and was just about to get off his shift and he was gonna do it if the other doctor was late, to get it over with.and i was 11 lbs 10 oz

[tara37830]

@diehardsweetheart Also, Its un natural for women to lay on thier backs to have baby, it makes it harder, by sitting/ swatting makes it easier for the baby to come out, and in Holland, they have the most home births, and you do not hear about major baby deaths there. Women gave birth just find with out doctors before, so why not now, but i also live with a er ride about 3 minutes from where i live, so if i had to go to the er it would not be a big deal.

[diehardsweetheart]

@tara37830 Thats actually not necessarily true, some women feel better and handle labour better in certain positions laying on the back is one of them. Also it's squatting, not swatting. You're having a baby, not killing a fly. Again not true, do you know what the rate of infant mortality was before modern medicine? probaly not. You're probaly just some 15 year old kid getting all her info from 16 and pregnant. Stay in school sweety maybe then you'll learn how to spell and research.

[tara37830]

@diehardsweetheart oh i'm sorry if i miss spell some words i hardly use. and I am not 16, I'm 21, and Infants died a lot back then, but families were bigger too. and Don't say i don't know what i am talking about, have you done research on GMO's, Cancers and Homebirth vs hospital? Well I have. I have also seen what C- sections do to woman, and how pain meds make labor stop, and how they are trying to make babies come faster with medicine that put them in places where the child will die.

[tara37830]

@diehardsweetheart Childbirth takes time, and doctors do not want to wait when they can make so much more by cutting the person open, and drugging them up. I might not of had a baby, but I do have alot of friends who have, one friend has a + from where one doctor cut her - for one kid and | that way for another, Its like breastfeeding is now looked on as gross when its natural. Or cloth diapers, did you know a kid in cloth diapers potty trains faster then a kid in like pampers.

[diehardsweetheart]

@tara37830 Not true at all, again with your hippy bullshit facts. There is NO evidence to support that a cloth diapering child potty trains faster than a child in disposables. You cannot judge all doctors based on one. Women can tear easily in any normal vaginal birth, did you fail to realize that? Seriously I am not having a discussion about child birth with someone who can't even form a proper sentance. Isn't it past your bedtime?

[tara37830]

@diehardsweetheart one, there is no need to cuss. two I'm sorry if i am spelling badly or having bad grammar. I was never great with English. Also Its not Hippy ideas, and You still refuse to answer any of my questions, your just pointing out how wrong i am, when i am not. How many kids have you had? and How do you know that Cloth diapers don't help a child train faster? Or its better for a kid to be bottled fed vs breast? Have you ever looked up any thing on thoses?

[diehardsweetheart]

@tara37830 My family is non of your business nor does it have any bearing on this conversative so I will refuse to answer it. I have that right. How do I know cloth diapers don't? Becuase there is NO evidence to say that it helps. Potty training lengths depend on the individual child, there are way too many factors involved to know what helps or hinds the process. Of course, I research, it's evident you do not.

[setiwoh]

@Lucyisfive certain contraceptives such as Inter Unterine Devices are known to sometimes cause infertalization. Many other forms of contraception have been disputed in this.

[SinisterUnicorn]

Do you have a source for your statement? I think you pulled it out of your ass.

[greenhorns99]

@chaste4lyf don't you agree that some people are born infertile though? Or born with a reproductive system that doesn't properly enough to produce children or even eggs?Or unable to have intercourse due to a physical disabilty or some other issue preventing the act of intercourse? In effect, all being issues that lead to In Vitro. If it is God's will for you to have a child, you will, in some way or another, true? So if you're meant to have a child through In Vitro, you will. If not, you won't.

[Lucyisfive]

Actually eggs and sperm are "living" cells all on their own. Embryos are a unique continuum of that.

[mandamk]

@ mindyourbizok - pretty sure he meant "embryos," not eggs. They don't try to implant unfertilized eggs.

[Lucyisfive]

Gosh I really hate it when people take thier toys and go home...if you are going to have stong opinions and post them...then please be willing to hold them up to the light for examination and debate.

[matosyablaze]

he wears the same damn hoodie in every video lol

[pattarom1980]

Do you mean the hoodie he's wearing in the opening disclaimer? If so, the disclaimer never changes that's why the hoodie is always the same. :)

[nswe2002]

thats what octo mom did and she ended up with 8!!

[imconservative]

I can't believe there are so many people out there who want children and then murder them. They go through in vitro fertilization, get what they want, and murder the rest. That is really sad. These are people who say they are so desperate for kids. I think they are very selfish people that don't want children for the sake of love. How could you want a child so much and destroy the children you don't want. If you are going the route of in vito fertilization, you need to use all the eggs.

[CaptVelocity]

Yeah, they should be eating them. MmmmMMM, babies...the food of champions.

[kcengland2000]

You don't have to destroy embryos during IVF - you can do it another way where you tell the doctors you only want them to fertilise the amount of eggs they would be willing to put back in to the womb (usually 3) So before you go attacking Christians who may have gone through IVF you need to find out if this is what theyve done or just give them the benefit of the doubt.

[Hartt2Serve]

Mr. Driscoll being a Teacher, means he is not to just claim "I don't know" on things like [Man playing God]. That is False Humility. He is held to the Higher Standard of teachers, and Must Know things like this. On this issue there can be No debate, Playing God in relation to creating human life is absolutely SIN. When a teacher does not know such easy things as this, he has no credibility to preach God's Word at all. 1 Tim 1:7

[CaptVelocity]

WTF? So a teacher has to know everything or they aren't qualified or are just pretending they don't know? I think it's time to lay off the tylenol.

[Hartt2Serve]

This one is So easy, yet made hard. It IS not about the Terminated eggs. That is just a Second evil per say. The FIRST issue is that: Man is making the biological things of God happen on Man's terms and time table. Sarah did not go IVM when she could not give Abraham a child, she did Sin in being Impatient first and second by encouraging her husband to commit Adultery with her slave woman.

[CaptVelocity]

The people who think everything is that easy are just arrogant.

[Hartt2Serve]

People who don't know it is [that easy] are ignorant. Between your language, and obvious [Ax to grind] with the world/authority to stifle your personal desire to have the best of both worlds, means I won't be debating or answering your [going no where] questions. You obviously are Not on here to get answers but to exalt your minds view to the world to whom ever you feel you can [One up] in debate.

[ihatetungsten]

And you are here to get answers?I think someone is projecting their own short-comings and selfish motives onto others.. :-) Jesus would never have been as self-righteous and judgmental as you are. You're just an egocentric Christian who is using the bible as an excuse to bully other people.

[larrywalkerntbi]

In Vitro wasn't exactly available in OT days. God gave man the desire, intelligence and creative ability to create methods to have children. They didn't use computers or watch Youtube in the OT but you're on here. Is that wrong? Of course not. It's a godly desire to have children, and God has made man able to overcome infertility, it should be used with godly principle's in place, such as using all the eggs so that you are not committing murder.

[larrywalkerntbi]

I mean to be consistent with what hartt2Serve is saying you must literally live in OT days, wear what they wear, eat what they eat, etc. You can use nothing modern because it wasn't in the Bible. That is even more than the amish or mennonite's. Good luck on that.

[Lucyisfive]

"Making biological things happen on man's terms and timetable..."?

Then you must be also speaking out against all medical treaments...

After all...things like organ transplants surely would fall under your same description too...along with all kinds of other medical treatments.

[nemodot]

stupid moron.

This is one of the worst things about religion.

Telling you how should live your life...

[chefjess]

Amen!

[FartheadOgre]

haha, getting trendy with Christ.

[killerhonda56]

Pastor Mark Driscoll ,

While I give you credit for appearing to be rational and reasonable about IVF for couples struggling to deal with their infertility I ask you where in the bible does it explain the fine line between us being birds and the use of airplanes? Get it?

MSS

[crane550]

Not sure I understand?

[rickyboy222]

That is completely different. Fertilized eggs that are human life and throwing them away is different than me not being a bird but wanting to fly to europe.

[Conail23]

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