well done maryam your a wonderful woman. women are repressed under shariah law why should any woman be punished for not wearing hijab? God gave us freedom of choice and this lady WAS a muslim and knows whats she s talking about. she knows more about this than you thats for sure radiense
No more cold war between Capitalist liberalist VS Socialist Communist .... now, Capitalist who grew up living by 'secularism'', hedonist and materialistic ... attack Natural anticipatory Re -islamisasi .. they took the traitor each country, maintain them .. . Making veiled, like holding on to the Marxism'... as an example;' Maryam Namazie '. They use the terms humanism, feminism, pluralism, and other sales slogans
The essence of the verse, says, is to fight back "if you are attacked by your persecutors, but don't fight back indiscriminately. Follow the rules of engagement. rules of engagement are explicit women, children, and innocent civilians are off limits. would you allowed me if i want kill evry Each of you family and sit back do nothing? if any logic applies, it is the logic?
i give you exmple....During WWII the allied forces were given instructions to kill the germans wherever they found them as they pushed for Berlin. By your logic I guess that still applies today? Americans and Brits want to kill all Germans?
apply everything you said, to the context of the germans and WWII and you will see how foolish your question is Mate.
Don't twist please here what koran says And fight in the cause of God those who have (initially) waged war against you, but do not transgress limits (by causing more damage to your enemy than the damage they initially caused you, thereby expanding the circle of war). Indeed, Allah loves not transgressors [190]. And slay them wherever you overtake them and expel them from where they have expelled you (a reference to Quraysh who for 14 years had been expelling the Muslims from Mecca),
taano- Part1- YOU are the ignorant one. It is NOT defensive warfare. Your own Tafsir proves you wrong. First of all, the word "initially" is not in that Qur'anic verse, that's an interpolation.
Secondly, the word "Fight" in Arabic is "Qatiloo" which means "fight to the death". The watered down English translation should render it as fight to the death, or KILL.
Now lets look at how your own Tafsir disproves your statement
(So when the Sacred Months have passed...), meaning, `Upon the end of the four months during which We prohibited you from fighting the idolators, and which is the grace period We gave them, then FIGHT AND KILL THE IDOLATORS WHEREVER YOU MAY FIND THEM.'
then fight the Mushrikin wherever you find them), means, ON THE EARTH IN GENERAL, except for the Sacred Area, for Allah said,
..(and capture them), executing some and keeping some as prisoners,(and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush), do not wait until you find them. Rather, SEEK AND BESIEGE THEM IN THEIR AREAS AND FORTS, gather intelligence about them in the various roads and fairways so that what is made wide looks ever smaller to them. This way, they will have NO CHOICE, BUT TO DIE OR EMBRACE ISLAM,
there is no conscience and no compassion Koran says 2:256 "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." The Holy Quran prohibits Muslims to force any person into Islam.
2:256 is an abrogated verse. Come on, this is well known basic information. It's abrogated by Ayat al-Sayf (Verse of the Sword).
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)....." Surah 9:5
Killing for conversion is a false belief by unguided Muslims. It was never mentioned anywhere in the Quran that those who covert should be killed or tortured. Actually, it has been mentioned more than once in the Quran that religion should not be compelled and that it is purely a free will.
taano- "It was never mentioned anywhere in the Quran that those who covert should be killed or tortured"
You need to learn your own Quran (or stop lying).
KILL THOSE THAT CONVERT - 4:89 "If they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them where ever you find them.
4:89 is supported by MANY Hadiths:
Sahih Bukhari V9B84N57 "... I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
PropagandaPolice,these verses are speaking about hypocrites who left the Muslim army in times of war. It is not permissible for them to be sitting home while the Muslims are in danger. Any soldier who deserts his army has a very sever punishment in every country, including the United states. Please stop taking verses out of context.
taano- Incorrect. They are about APOSTATES in general, and all Sunni and Shia schools of jurisprudence interpret them as such, thus yeilding a death penalty to apostates under Sharia.
taano- I'm not interpreting your Scriptures. I am letting your own Tafsir interpret them (as they are designed to do, and mandated to acceptance by orthodox Islam).
No one who bothers to study the Quran, Tafsir, Hadith, and Sharia is going to buy your GARBAGE. I have to wonder if you are even a Muslim? You are either ignorant of Islamic theology or you are outright lying.
What you can't seem to grasp is, you aren't arguing with me, you're arguing with ibn Kathir.
well done maryam your a wonderful woman. women are repressed under shariah law why should any woman be punished for not wearing hijab? God gave us freedom of choice and this lady WAS a muslim and knows whats she s talking about. she knows more about this than you thats for sure radiense
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No more cold war between Capitalist liberalist VS Socialist Communist .... now, Capitalist who grew up living by 'secularism'', hedonist and materialistic ... attack Natural anticipatory Re -islamisasi .. they took the traitor each country, maintain them .. . Making veiled, like holding on to the Marxism'... as an example;' Maryam Namazie '. They use the terms humanism, feminism, pluralism, and other sales slogans
tanakmuda 2 years ago
Oh well that makes murder allright then..?
Totally absurd and immoral.
SidandCoke 2 years ago
just advice...?
Really?
What utter nonsense. Please realise that we are well and truly past the denial stage OK?
SidandCoke 2 years ago
talk to a muslim woman before you talk about them
chachaguji 3 years ago
The essence of the verse, says, is to fight back "if you are attacked by your persecutors, but don't fight back indiscriminately. Follow the rules of engagement. rules of engagement are explicit women, children, and innocent civilians are off limits. would you allowed me if i want kill evry Each of you family and sit back do nothing? if any logic applies, it is the logic?
taano71 3 years ago
i give you exmple....During WWII the allied forces were given instructions to kill the germans wherever they found them as they pushed for Berlin. By your logic I guess that still applies today? Americans and Brits want to kill all Germans?
apply everything you said, to the context of the germans and WWII and you will see how foolish your question is Mate.
taano71 3 years ago
Don't twist please here what koran says And fight in the cause of God those who have (initially) waged war against you, but do not transgress limits (by causing more damage to your enemy than the damage they initially caused you, thereby expanding the circle of war). Indeed, Allah loves not transgressors [190]. And slay them wherever you overtake them and expel them from where they have expelled you (a reference to Quraysh who for 14 years had been expelling the Muslims from Mecca),
taano71 3 years ago
taano- Part1- YOU are the ignorant one. It is NOT defensive warfare. Your own Tafsir proves you wrong. First of all, the word "initially" is not in that Qur'anic verse, that's an interpolation.
Secondly, the word "Fight" in Arabic is "Qatiloo" which means "fight to the death". The watered down English translation should render it as fight to the death, or KILL.
Now lets look at how your own Tafsir disproves your statement
(cont)
PropagandaPolice 3 years ago
taano-Part2- Tafsir ibn Kathir (9:5):
(So when the Sacred Months have passed...), meaning, `Upon the end of the four months during which We prohibited you from fighting the idolators, and which is the grace period We gave them, then FIGHT AND KILL THE IDOLATORS WHEREVER YOU MAY FIND THEM.'
then fight the Mushrikin wherever you find them), means, ON THE EARTH IN GENERAL, except for the Sacred Area, for Allah said,
(CONT)
PropagandaPolice 3 years ago
taano-Part3- Tafsir ibn Kathir (9:5):
..(and capture them), executing some and keeping some as prisoners,(and besiege them, and lie in wait for them in each and every ambush), do not wait until you find them. Rather, SEEK AND BESIEGE THEM IN THEIR AREAS AND FORTS, gather intelligence about them in the various roads and fairways so that what is made wide looks ever smaller to them. This way, they will have NO CHOICE, BUT TO DIE OR EMBRACE ISLAM,
That is offensive war, and compulsion.
PropagandaPolice 3 years ago
Your arrogant ignorance fuels your paranoia.
taano71 3 years ago
there is no conscience and no compassion Koran says 2:256 "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things." The Holy Quran prohibits Muslims to force any person into Islam.
taano71 3 years ago
2:256 is an abrogated verse. Come on, this is well known basic information. It's abrogated by Ayat al-Sayf (Verse of the Sword).
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war)....." Surah 9:5
PropagandaPolice 3 years ago
Your arrogant ignorance fuels your paranoia have a nice day.
taano71 3 years ago
Killing for conversion is a false belief by unguided Muslims. It was never mentioned anywhere in the Quran that those who covert should be killed or tortured. Actually, it has been mentioned more than once in the Quran that religion should not be compelled and that it is purely a free will.
taano71 3 years ago
taano- "It was never mentioned anywhere in the Quran that those who covert should be killed or tortured"
You need to learn your own Quran (or stop lying).
KILL THOSE THAT CONVERT - 4:89 "If they turn back from Islam, becoming renegades, seize them and kill them where ever you find them.
4:89 is supported by MANY Hadiths:
Sahih Bukhari V9B84N57 "... I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
PropagandaPolice 3 years ago
PropagandaPolice,these verses are speaking about hypocrites who left the Muslim army in times of war. It is not permissible for them to be sitting home while the Muslims are in danger. Any soldier who deserts his army has a very sever punishment in every country, including the United states. Please stop taking verses out of context.
taano71 3 years ago
taano- Incorrect. They are about APOSTATES in general, and all Sunni and Shia schools of jurisprudence interpret them as such, thus yeilding a death penalty to apostates under Sharia.
PropagandaPolice 3 years ago
Cont....... From the Quran [an attempted translation]....Verse 109
1. Say : O ye that reject Faith!
2. I worship not that which ye worship,
3. Nor ye worship that which I worship.
4. And I will not worship that which ye have been won't to worship,
5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
6. To you be your Way, and to me mine.
Some words are repeated to emphasize it's significance...Islam never forces conversion....nor does it have any missions or missionaries... get it?
taano71 3 years ago
This amused me of a non-Muslim telling a Muslim how to interpret his own Scriptures would be hilarious if it weren't so tragic.
taano71 3 years ago
taano- I'm not interpreting your Scriptures. I am letting your own Tafsir interpret them (as they are designed to do, and mandated to acceptance by orthodox Islam).
No one who bothers to study the Quran, Tafsir, Hadith, and Sharia is going to buy your GARBAGE. I have to wonder if you are even a Muslim? You are either ignorant of Islamic theology or you are outright lying.
What you can't seem to grasp is, you aren't arguing with me, you're arguing with ibn Kathir.
PropagandaPolice 3 years ago