This movie was not about love, it was about cowardice and greed. Instead of picking one way or the other and standing by their decisions, the characters waffled and hemmed and hawed, but of course they indulged themselves due to their greed--to have their cheesecake and eat their beefcake, too. When you bring a wife and children into this reality, you have no business pursuing your greed. I'd have had a lot more respect if the characters had lived the bachelor life instead.
Instead...they tried to become happy. Would you sacrifice your happiness? In a way, one of the men did partially sacrifice his happiness: he didn't want to live with his friend because of his family. It didn't quite work out for them though. It basically is a story about an impossible love, I think. Times were different back then. Two men living together was more difficult than it is now.
Oh yes, lets be happy at others' expense. Thanks for supporting my point. That's the greedy cowardly way. Isn't it more beautiful to see two men who acknowledge who they are from the beginning and face their lives together rather than hiding behind a woman's skirts? Isn't that always the easy way that men take? If you are gay be open and proud, or quiet and reserved. But don't ever make excuses for hiding behind a woman. There's nothing noble about that sort of "happiness".
'Thanx for supporting my point', was sarcastic, right?
"Well you can't have your piece of cake and eat the sweet thing too. But that kind of understanding isn't good enough for you" Lyric from the Eurythmics. Beefcake and cheesecake in this case. But you forget the social pressure in those days. And how brave can one be with violence against people who love the same sex?
People aren't always that brave. They often choose the easy way, or the socially accepted way, not so noble, I agree. And they, like many, must try to make ends meet. And follow their love. To call that 'greed' is not doing justice to the emotions, and the heartache. Although I get what you mean: being happy at the expense of your loved ones, who have heartache too. Am I too sensitive, or what?
It is total greed. Don't be obtuse. If you choose to take the "easy way" don't be a dork and try to change the rules jest because you feel like it later. That's greedy! Do you have any idea of the violence directed against women on a constant daily basis? Yet they still manage to live selfless lives filled with love, with no need to be greedy and steal other's happiness. I say no hiding behinds women's skirts, no excuses!
Now I see what you are referring to. One of the men in the movie gets aggressive towards his wife. That is definetely wrong, I agree. But it is wrong to suggest that gay men in hetero-marriages normally abuse their wives. Violence against all people in domestic situations is terrible: against women (men sometimes too, a big taboo, i am not joking) and children. The fear and shame, because of some kind of loyalty, that the victims feel is the reason much of this doesn't come out
Well, should we also put blame on a society that imposes those standards on people? That in it of it self can be very psychologically traumatic on an individual.
In these types of situations, everyone involved gets hurt. Everyone. Theres more to it that what you describe.
Society puts a lot of pressures on people. Life itself puts lots of pressure on people. Sexuality as a form of self-expression does not contribute anything to society, therefore society is only tasked with ensuring that the smallest member can grow up to function in society. When people make selfish choices people who are NOT involved DO get hurt through no fault of their own. It is wrong to dismiss the love, hopes and dreams of the blameless wives as though they are discardable.
Look, I never said that the wives never get hurt. All I'm saying is I understand how why a gay man would marry a woman as hope of fitting into the status quo. It must be terrible for the wife, which is captured beautifully in Brokeback Mountain.
In situations like these, there's no one specific person to blame.
And, I would argue, that while sexuality does not contribute to society, it does, however, contribute to one's personal happiness. Self fulfillment is important.
Which is my point. When you make a choice that hurts other people then your "love story" is ugly, not beautiful. As for society, the entire purpose of society is survival. Survival is important. Fulfilling oneself is optional.
But there's more to it that what we're talking about. There are two sides to every story. Because this is a gay love story, there's different complications, motives, feelings, etc. It may not be a beautiful love story, but it is a sad one.
All I'm saying is that, there's more to this than me and you will ever understand. I'm not gay, but I can imagine the trauma gay people feel in order to fit in.
Yes, survival is important, but gay people are part of life.
The story was sad specifically because it abused the trust, emotions, and security of two women and their children. I certainly had a tear or two come to my wide open eyes. The two gay characters were caracatures, at best. If this film was supposed to open my eyes concerning the special needs of gay men for greedy sexual gratification, no matter what, it was a resounding success.
You so did not understand the intent of the film. The issue of the film is not the adulterous actions of the two men. What they did is no different than something like the characters in Walk the Line.
I think you're just too blind sighted by it due to your own convictions on homosexuality.
Marriage doesn't indicate love, it's a union between two people.
Where on earth did you get my opinion of homosexuality out of my critique of the movie? Just because a couple of men are on the down low doesn't make them special. They are flawed to their souls and I question any "love" that supposedly exists between them. It looks exactly like what it is. Lust and greed and immorality beyond any hope of personal redemption. Marriage is a social contract of extreme importance. To dismiss it lightly for the sake of lust is nasty.
On the other hand, I really enjoyed "Philadelphia" and "Alexander". I think if more men aspired to the highest atainment of manly love (certainly not pederasty and anonymous sex), then any question of greed and lust could easily be put to bed. If a movie is about greed and lust then it can have the triple-x rating and not pretend to be anything else.
Because it just sounds like you are. How rational is it to say that that this film is about lust and greed. I mean, are you even thinking about the time period, the social norms, the societal rules these men had to follow? Is it really that hard to believe that during this time period, because of the environment, these men would be forced enter heterosexual relationships in an attempt to fit in? Didn't your pay attention to the story Enis tells Jack about gay men?
Don't be obtuse. You are the one over-personalizing a movie, of all things. Don't whinge to me about the expectations that poor, pitiful men had to follow in that time period. Try being a woman in that time period, instead. Women where routinely FORCED into heterosexual relationships in order to fit in. Men had all the power and men were very well groomed to understand the rules--hence the story. That doesn't give them a right to rewrite the rules to suit their lust and greed.
I'm not being obtuse, and I'm not over-personalizing it. Again, I go back to what I said before: everyone gets hurt in situtations like these. Brokeback Mountain is a story, and what I walked away from it was that, the romance between these two men was hard, the women were hurt, and these two men were forced into the things they did. It's not black and white. There's no one person to blame. Life is hard for some people. They lived a life without one another. It's a tragic love story.
Life. Is. Hard. Life is hard for straight men, women, and homosexuals. Instead of saying pointing fingers, we should try to understand. I can assure you, if these two men lived in a society that allowed them to be with one another, they wouldn't have taken the path they took.
i don't think this film should be banned ever, i just think it shouldn't be aired that much because well...the storyline and plot is pretty boring, shit, It was like they just kept dragging the movie on and on and by the time it was over, u realized u just wasted 134 minutes of you life waiting for a movie to pick up a little, anyone else feel this way?
I think it's sad that people are leaving comments casting slurs on others' sexuality here. Grow up, or go somewhere else. I personally liked the review & anyone who is going to make bigoted comments needs to learn some manners!
who is this dick??
hahah people have diff views from you..ahhh must be bigots..
chinahands100 9 months ago
if this was between a man and a woman
would ANYONE have an issue?
no now shut up
coleboy44andAhalf 1 year ago
@coleboy44andAhalf it would have been even duller..coz of the gay hype etc etc
ive seen it and it was sooo dull..
chinahands100 9 months ago
it wuz sad
Animalrights543 2 years ago
I wish I knew how to quit you. So funny and well done.
jerkedevries 3 years ago
<3...
InsertSh4de 3 years ago
This movie was not about love, it was about cowardice and greed. Instead of picking one way or the other and standing by their decisions, the characters waffled and hemmed and hawed, but of course they indulged themselves due to their greed--to have their cheesecake and eat their beefcake, too. When you bring a wife and children into this reality, you have no business pursuing your greed. I'd have had a lot more respect if the characters had lived the bachelor life instead.
toounfazed 3 years ago
Instead...they tried to become happy. Would you sacrifice your happiness? In a way, one of the men did partially sacrifice his happiness: he didn't want to live with his friend because of his family. It didn't quite work out for them though. It basically is a story about an impossible love, I think. Times were different back then. Two men living together was more difficult than it is now.
jerkedevries 3 years ago
Oh yes, lets be happy at others' expense. Thanks for supporting my point. That's the greedy cowardly way. Isn't it more beautiful to see two men who acknowledge who they are from the beginning and face their lives together rather than hiding behind a woman's skirts? Isn't that always the easy way that men take? If you are gay be open and proud, or quiet and reserved. But don't ever make excuses for hiding behind a woman. There's nothing noble about that sort of "happiness".
toounfazed 3 years ago
'Thanx for supporting my point', was sarcastic, right?
"Well you can't have your piece of cake and eat the sweet thing too. But that kind of understanding isn't good enough for you" Lyric from the Eurythmics. Beefcake and cheesecake in this case. But you forget the social pressure in those days. And how brave can one be with violence against people who love the same sex?
jerkedevries 3 years ago
People aren't always that brave. They often choose the easy way, or the socially accepted way, not so noble, I agree. And they, like many, must try to make ends meet. And follow their love. To call that 'greed' is not doing justice to the emotions, and the heartache. Although I get what you mean: being happy at the expense of your loved ones, who have heartache too. Am I too sensitive, or what?
jerkedevries 3 years ago
It is total greed. Don't be obtuse. If you choose to take the "easy way" don't be a dork and try to change the rules jest because you feel like it later. That's greedy! Do you have any idea of the violence directed against women on a constant daily basis? Yet they still manage to live selfless lives filled with love, with no need to be greedy and steal other's happiness. I say no hiding behinds women's skirts, no excuses!
toounfazed 3 years ago
Now I see what you are referring to. One of the men in the movie gets aggressive towards his wife. That is definetely wrong, I agree. But it is wrong to suggest that gay men in hetero-marriages normally abuse their wives. Violence against all people in domestic situations is terrible: against women (men sometimes too, a big taboo, i am not joking) and children. The fear and shame, because of some kind of loyalty, that the victims feel is the reason much of this doesn't come out
jerkedevries 3 years ago
Well, should we also put blame on a society that imposes those standards on people? That in it of it self can be very psychologically traumatic on an individual.
In these types of situations, everyone involved gets hurt. Everyone. Theres more to it that what you describe.
slayerette86m 2 years ago
Society puts a lot of pressures on people. Life itself puts lots of pressure on people. Sexuality as a form of self-expression does not contribute anything to society, therefore society is only tasked with ensuring that the smallest member can grow up to function in society. When people make selfish choices people who are NOT involved DO get hurt through no fault of their own. It is wrong to dismiss the love, hopes and dreams of the blameless wives as though they are discardable.
toounfazed 2 years ago
Look, I never said that the wives never get hurt. All I'm saying is I understand how why a gay man would marry a woman as hope of fitting into the status quo. It must be terrible for the wife, which is captured beautifully in Brokeback Mountain.
In situations like these, there's no one specific person to blame.
And, I would argue, that while sexuality does not contribute to society, it does, however, contribute to one's personal happiness. Self fulfillment is important.
slayerette86m 2 years ago
Which is my point. When you make a choice that hurts other people then your "love story" is ugly, not beautiful. As for society, the entire purpose of society is survival. Survival is important. Fulfilling oneself is optional.
toounfazed 2 years ago
But there's more to it that what we're talking about. There are two sides to every story. Because this is a gay love story, there's different complications, motives, feelings, etc. It may not be a beautiful love story, but it is a sad one.
All I'm saying is that, there's more to this than me and you will ever understand. I'm not gay, but I can imagine the trauma gay people feel in order to fit in.
Yes, survival is important, but gay people are part of life.
slayerette86m 2 years ago
The story was sad specifically because it abused the trust, emotions, and security of two women and their children. I certainly had a tear or two come to my wide open eyes. The two gay characters were caracatures, at best. If this film was supposed to open my eyes concerning the special needs of gay men for greedy sexual gratification, no matter what, it was a resounding success.
toounfazed 2 years ago
You so did not understand the intent of the film. The issue of the film is not the adulterous actions of the two men. What they did is no different than something like the characters in Walk the Line.
I think you're just too blind sighted by it due to your own convictions on homosexuality.
Marriage doesn't indicate love, it's a union between two people.
slayerette86m 2 years ago
Where on earth did you get my opinion of homosexuality out of my critique of the movie? Just because a couple of men are on the down low doesn't make them special. They are flawed to their souls and I question any "love" that supposedly exists between them. It looks exactly like what it is. Lust and greed and immorality beyond any hope of personal redemption. Marriage is a social contract of extreme importance. To dismiss it lightly for the sake of lust is nasty.
toounfazed 2 years ago
On the other hand, I really enjoyed "Philadelphia" and "Alexander". I think if more men aspired to the highest atainment of manly love (certainly not pederasty and anonymous sex), then any question of greed and lust could easily be put to bed. If a movie is about greed and lust then it can have the triple-x rating and not pretend to be anything else.
toounfazed 2 years ago
Because it just sounds like you are. How rational is it to say that that this film is about lust and greed. I mean, are you even thinking about the time period, the social norms, the societal rules these men had to follow? Is it really that hard to believe that during this time period, because of the environment, these men would be forced enter heterosexual relationships in an attempt to fit in? Didn't your pay attention to the story Enis tells Jack about gay men?
slayerette86m 2 years ago
All I'm saying is that there is a reality to this. These men were forced into this situtation.
slayerette86m 2 years ago
Don't be obtuse. You are the one over-personalizing a movie, of all things. Don't whinge to me about the expectations that poor, pitiful men had to follow in that time period. Try being a woman in that time period, instead. Women where routinely FORCED into heterosexual relationships in order to fit in. Men had all the power and men were very well groomed to understand the rules--hence the story. That doesn't give them a right to rewrite the rules to suit their lust and greed.
toounfazed 2 years ago
I'm not being obtuse, and I'm not over-personalizing it. Again, I go back to what I said before: everyone gets hurt in situtations like these. Brokeback Mountain is a story, and what I walked away from it was that, the romance between these two men was hard, the women were hurt, and these two men were forced into the things they did. It's not black and white. There's no one person to blame. Life is hard for some people. They lived a life without one another. It's a tragic love story.
slayerette86m 2 years ago
Boo hoo....
toounfazed 2 years ago
Life. Is. Hard. Life is hard for straight men, women, and homosexuals. Instead of saying pointing fingers, we should try to understand. I can assure you, if these two men lived in a society that allowed them to be with one another, they wouldn't have taken the path they took.
There's a reality to this.
slayerette86m 2 years ago
"because they are closed minded assholes"...
epic
unrealxXx 3 years ago
i don't think this film should be banned ever, i just think it shouldn't be aired that much because well...the storyline and plot is pretty boring, shit, It was like they just kept dragging the movie on and on and by the time it was over, u realized u just wasted 134 minutes of you life waiting for a movie to pick up a little, anyone else feel this way?
dillman250 4 years ago 2
lazydork isn't gay
he is just playing smart
atheistick 4 years ago
I'd like to see trivia girl in a nude scene. Nice rack.
skiingisgoodforyou 4 years ago
Trivia - Havoc (?)
wint3rzx 4 years ago
Good review.
malignity2k 4 years ago
I so know the answer to that question but i don't
know if its to late.
XxbestofthebestxX 5 years ago
my favorite part of the whole video was "this is my cat" aahahaha. I love your vids. Keep it up!
PrettyMuchJenny 5 years ago
I think it's sad that people are leaving comments casting slurs on others' sexuality here. Grow up, or go somewhere else. I personally liked the review & anyone who is going to make bigoted comments needs to learn some manners!
cassiebunny 5 years ago
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medicineman4ever 5 years ago
I didn't see Passion of the Christ either, but many in Hollywood tried to keep people from seeing it also, so it happens to both sides.
JERice7 5 years ago
lmao your halerious
page1234 5 years ago
OMG - He's so hairy!!!
KingNastyMC 5 years ago
bet you loved it you ass clown
crazyasshole3887 5 years ago
wow...i thought you said EVEY movie sucked...but i was wrong
xoxlittlelottexox 5 years ago
cool review. I never seen anyone give one with so much positiveness
Insomniac487 5 years ago
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virus20021 5 years ago
You're an idiot.
sheepers411 4 years ago
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xLizxE 5 years ago
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tardsmakemesick 5 years ago
he is gay
dbrown0509 5 years ago
You are the BOMB!
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asympototic 5 years ago