@ZapherJin, jealous of what???? Tree huggers that dont have a clue of whats going around Montana???? Huh ya you are right I hate the ignorant people that dropped the wolves off. I hate that my kids wont be able to hunt Gardiner.
They closed Elk Hunting in Gardiner Area this year .......all the Elk are Dead. All the Elk in this Video are those elk. 90,000 Elk are gone. Yellowstone is Empty. You are watching a piece of that destruction......this is a rerun. There are no new vids like this.
@Larzabeth Oh, really, funny you never mentioned any 2010 data. Probably because IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT SHOWS A RAPID DECLINE IN ELK NUMBERS! DAH.........
In fact, the elk total today in the Bitterroot Valley is above 6,000 animals, whereas in the 1970s less than 3,000 elk inhabited the Bitterroot because hunters were allowed to kill so many females (which makes one question how good the good old days really were). Wolves balance elk and deer populations in the Northern Rockies, but hunter harvest, winter range quality and availability, winter severity, and development collectively play a much, much bigger role in deer and elk numbers.
@Larzabeth Fact is (you can read, right?) Look up Lewis and Clark journals. They found little game in the mountains. Why? Tough winters, little forage for ungulates. Now, with modern farming and ag techniques, we now have lots of game, or use to, until the wolves arrived.
@Larzabeth Nothing wrong with me. Your values are way different than mine. You can talk on the internet because of people like me. Know why? Its called FREEDOM and it comes with a price. By the way, I eat all those deer, elk, ducks, geese, fish, and grouse that I harvest. Raised several kids on them, all college grads now to boot. They are also making a difference in the real world.
@Mont556n LOL!!!!!!!! I can talk on the Internet because of people like you! That is hilarious! You eat elk that you "harvest"? That is funny because a few minutes ago you said you do not hunt elk. Now we have established that not only are you not very intelligent, you are also a liar.
@Larzabeth He probably just wants to kill things to watch them die. I feel sorry for his kids. He would probably tie antlers on them and make them run around while trying to shoot at them if the elk completely died out. Then he would have a reason to have shoot something. LoL
@Mont556n You are a liar. You said you do not hunt elk. You said you hunt deer. Then later you said you hunt elk. That makes you either stupid or a liar.
@12OunceProphet Eww I had not even thought that she could also be a hunter. How sad for children to be reared in a family where there is no respect for life.
@Larzabeth Nice response, but you are reading off the defenders of wildlife jargon, which are LIES. You can regulate human hunting, you cannot regulate wolf hunting, and wolves are destroying the elk herds in Montana. No doubt about it.
@Mont556n Unfortunately, at this time I only have moments for a reply but I will be getting back to you as my time allows. But I would like to tell you that no, I did not get my facts from Defenders of Wildlife. I used several different sources other than Defenders of Wildlife. From where did you get your silly comments? A Cabela's flyer? LOL
@Larzabeth Well, I have researched it myself. As I stated, I take no data from the park. I know enough from the Montana side as to what is happening to the elk, and it is gruesome at best. I would enjoy reading true data, but what we are getting from the park it political propaganda. I like elk, I dislike wolves, no doubt about that. I listen to the canadians, the russian, the only ones with real experience, and they think we are nuts for putting the wolves in there in the first place.
@Mont556n "for putting the wolves there in the first place"?! The wolves were there in the first place! You say you take no data from the park? Do you take data from hunters? Are you a hunter? If you research yourself, well you still have to be going to sources to research unless you are a biologist out in the field, which I seriously doubt that.
And I do not care what the Canadians or the Russians do when it comes to wolves. Did it occur to you that the ones you are listening to could be wrong? You say you like elk? Do you hunt the elk?
@Larzabeth Another statistic, in 1995, there were 1200 moose in the park. The 2010 count was 117. Is that sustainable? Lolo elk herd in Idaho. 1995, 13,000 elk were counted. Now ther are 2,100, with less than 10% of the calves surviving. Is that sustainable? Am I a hunter? Not elk, but deer, yes. So that makes the data wrong?
@Mont556n Hunters have done far more damage than wolves have. So because you are a hunter does not make you wrong but as a hunter you are part of the problem.
@Larzabeth Now you are blowing smoke into the wind. Hunter dollars are why there are game herds. Who bought the land for winter game ranges? Who pays for the biologists? Who pays for problems with elk and ranchers? Hunters do. Are you a little boy or something? Hunters are the solution to the problem, and have been for many years.
@Mont556n Oh, so you can not even answer my question as to why you like to kill? Interesting. It says a lot about you. And I hope that you never shoot another animal as long as you live.
@Larzabeth This, I really disagree with you on. PEOPLE LIVE HERE NOW. We don't need wolves. We have them, so we will live with them, but only a few. We will not stand idly by and watch wolves destroy our way of life, be it killing 95% of the the game or the livestock industry.
@Mont556n "Stand idly by and watch wolves destroy our way of life"?! You are a silly goose for even saying something like that! Way of life, HA! You do not need elk to survive! You can go to the grocery store and buy your food. 95% of the game being destroyed by wolves? Well now I know where you are getting your statistics, you are making it up!
@Mont556n And maybe people should not live there now. Did that ever occur to you? Or are you one of those people who think some god put the animals on the Earth for people to do whatever they want to for their pleasure? Are you also for canned hunts?
@Larzabeth Ya know something, you are an IDIOT! Like people are gonna move out of Montana to make room for wolves. You don't even make sense. Maybe we should move you across the pond?
@Mont556n Montana would be a much better place without ignorant people such as you who only think about shooting something to watch it die. Does that make you feel like some kind of big man?
@Larzabeth Ya know, I would much rather watch an elk get shot and killed in about 1 minute than a pack of mangy wolves rip an elk apart and eat it while it is alive....
@Mont556n Your welcome ! :) I Just do not understand your hate for wolves . And some of the things you are saying sound completely stupid. You talking about "until wolves arrived " . Wolves have been around for a long long time. Longer then you . Humans are very much fucking up the planet more then any animal.
@Mont556n Your Welcome. Nature has always been able to balance itself out since the dawn of time. Why would you think the planet needs YOUR Help to eliminate animals on this earth ? Nature in itself was fine , until humans came a long and started building everywhere, tearing down forests, Hunting or poaching animals to extinction , and doing other things to fuck up the planet.
I just do not get why you HATE wolves so much . Some of the things you are saying are completely stupid. You said "until wolves arrived" , reality check, wolves have been here a lot longer then you and i . Anyways, i have had this chat with a few hunters before and its usually the same b.s. . Good day ..
@Larzabeth Never read that data. Possible in the 70s, but I would rather see those elk go to people than wolves anyday. Now in the bitteroot, things have changes. Five years ago, 2,000 elk, today, less than 700, with an 11% calf crop and 4 bulls per 100 elk. This is brought on by wolf predation. Hunting will soon not be allowed there at all for people. I don't think wolves are worth that much.
@Larzabeth You have old data. I have the data sitting on my desk in front of me right now. 2,000 elk in 2005, now they counted 765. Of those counted, they saw 4 bulls per 100 elk. The calf ratio was 11 calves per 100 cows. There will probable be no hunting in that area for several years. You want to blame hunters for those numbers before? Fish and Game personel can regulate hunter numbers and harvest quota. They cannot regulate wolf kills.
@Mont556n for you to even say that it will be fine without the wolves illustrates your lack of ecological knowledge. You really should take the time to learn about it. You might even find that you like it.
@Larzabeth Ha Ha, to much! We have lived without them for over 100 years! Game herds flourished! People prospered. it was a great system, until these wolves arrived.......
@Larzabeth Thats a lie. look up billingsgazette Then search wolves, then find article on bitterroot elk. It won't let me put the website addy in. Figure it out.
@Larzabeth "national geographic". Ya know, I read that magazine from cover to cover for over 30 years. After the wolf issue, I cancelled it. Those people have no idea......
And what about the gripe that wolves are eating all the elk in the Northern Rockies? Chadwick, like so many others, puts that fabulously false rumor to bed (though surely it will matter not to the devoted propagators of the myth):
[B]oth elk and deer are doing well across the West.
As game manager Jim Williams puts it, With wolves back in the picture along with cougars and bears, we'll have places where elk and deer may never be as abundant again as people remember, and we'll have other places where they'll do fine. There are bigger drivers than wolves in these systems. Studies have shown that winter weather and the quality of wintering habitat are really what control deer and elk populations over time. That and human hunting.
@Mont556n That is simply not true at all. There are many places where the elk are doing well where there are wolves. You are not taking into consideration other factors which cause the deaths of elk. You have tunnel vision and all you see are wolves. You fail to consider the weather conditions, other types of animals including humans who had the Bitterroot elk population down to only 3,000 in the 1970s due to over hunting. Now they are above 6,000 in number.
@Larzabeth he put nothing to bed. It is happening in every every where wolves have been established for at least 5 years. Your wolves are destorying our game herds at an unprecendated rate.
@Mont556n That is not true! You are not even taking into consideration all of the factors including the impact that humans have on the elk, deer, and moose.
@Larzabeth (can you listen?) If a noticible drop in game populations occur, then HUNTING is cut back, or eliminated. You cannot do that with these wolves.
[B]y most measures the [Yellowstone elk] population had swelled too high, and their range was deteriorating. Shortly after killing the last Yellowstone wolves in 1926, park officials were culling elk by the thousands. The elk kept rebounding and overgrazing key habitats, creating a perpetually unnatural situation for a park intended to preserve nature.
With wolves back in the picture, however: [P]ack-hunted elk turn into less vulnerable quarry. They become more vigilant and keep on the move more. In the wolfless era, herds practically camped at favorite winter dining spots, foraging on young aspen, willow, and cottonwood until the stems grew clubbed and stunted like bonsai plants. Released from such grazing pressure, saplings now shoot up to form lush young groves. More songbirds find nesting habitat within their leafy shade.
Along waterways, vigorous willow and cottonwood growth helps stabilize stream banks. More insects fall from overhanging stems to feed fish and amphibians. Beavers find enough nutritious twigs and branches to support new colonies.
@Larzabeth The songbirds were always there, and always will be. Mute point. yes, less elk mean more vegetation, but this also means more fires with no grazers to keep the vegetation low.
@Mont556n That resource? You mean the elk? The elk could have instead have been killed by humans with a blood lust who enjoy killing? Is that what you are saying?
@Larzabeth I do agree that there were to many elk in the park. That could have been fixed by a few hunts within the park by people. Certain areas could have been designated, as they do in Grand Teton. So you have wolves now. Will the elk survive at all? That is hard to say.
@Larzabeth Yes, and that could have been avoided by regulated hunts by people. Now we have the mess we have, with wolves literally wiping out elk in many areas. What a shame!
Predation by wolves can have a big impact on the ecosystem, explained Ripple, who has published several articles on the relationship between wolves and aspen growth. The wolf as a keystone predator will prey on elk, and then the elk eat young aspen, cottonwood, and willow trees. Now with wolves back in the system, the plants are flourishing more than before. When the wolves disappeared from Yellowstone, the saplings stopped growing up into mature trees, said Beschta.
The trees in turn have a wide-reaching effect on the rest of the ecosystem. With signs of plant health improving, Ripple was optimistic:
We might see more birds, an increase in beavers, which would create more ponds, which creates more habitats . . . theres all types of cascading effects that were starting to document with the reintroduction of wolves.
Tom Bergerud, a biologist in British Columbia stated this " I predict that you are going to have major impacts from wolves in this stateI predict major elk declinewolves repeatedly depress moose, caribou and elk populations while studying them throughout CanadaIve watched herd after herd [of caribou] go EXTINCT across CanadaThe problem, wolves have no know predators to keep them in balance with the ecosystem."
@Mont556n Well that biologist should have stayed in school. There are things that can and do kill the wolves. For instance one of the wolf packs was devastated by disease, they suspect either distemper or parvo. The ecosystem can handle problems very well when humans let it work the way that nature intended.
It appears that in another 5 years, very few elk will inhabit ynp due to wolf predation on calf elk. Something like 90% of all elk calves now do not make it to one year of life. Really to bad with these wolves destroying all other animals....
@Larzabeth Not so crazy. Northern yellowstone elk herd, 15,000 ten years ago (probable overpopulated, sure), now less than 5,000. Less than 10% of the calves are making it to one year old. Most elk over 6 years old. Only a matter of time before the population decreases further. How far, who knows? But the fact remains, they are aged and not reproducing enough to keep a balance. I would assume the wolf population will plummet, but we will see. Any moose left in yellowstone?
@Mont556n A study of Yellowstone elk between 2003-2005 found that grizzly and black bears — not wolves — are by far the No. 1 threat to elk calves. Bears, the study found, are responsible for about 60 percent of elk calf predator deaths in Yellowstone while wolves kill between 14 to 17 percent and coyotes kill up to 11 percent.
Elk counts published in the January 2004 issue of the Journal of Wildlife Management reported that elk populations from 1995-2000 were more influenced by the winters than the rising wolf population. In addition, a study in 2001 showed that Yellowstone moose whose offspring had been attacked by wolves learned predator recognition within a single generation.
"Mechanisms for predator avoidance are already in place, and fears of imminent extinction may be unwarranted," said Joel Berger of the University of Nevada, the studys lead author.
@Larzabeth Again, LIES. The park service is run by wanna be biologists. The end result could be the loss of elk entirely in the yellowstone ecosystem unless something is done about the wolves. Moose are now pretty much nonexistant in the park, but you won't hear or read about that.
@Larzabeth Utterly ridiculous! I LIVE HERE/ Sure, we have some bad winters, but those elk did not disappear because of bad weather. Wolves killed them, and they did not eat that many of them, either.
@Mont556n Let me just ask you, what joy do you get out of killing an animal? An animal that has no way of fighting back against cowards with guns standing yards away. How is that fun or sport?
@Larzabeth Like I said, I would much rather see an animal killed by a bullet and die in about 1 minute than watch a pack of wolves eat an elk alive.......
@Mont556n hunters are such compassionate people. That is why they set out traps and enjoy shooting animals with bullets and arrows. Then you like to have your picture taken with a dead animal's head in your lap. You are really sick.
@Larzabeth Mystery? No mystery at all. The are basically competing for the elk left in the park. Wolves kill wolves. Also, the disease epidemic, mange, and a few others, also contributed.
@Larzabeth That study was done by park biologists, and think of this. Before wolves, lots of elk (maybe to many, for sure). After wolves, fewer elk (possibly to the point where there will be no elk? who knows yet). Don't tell me bears caused the decline. The bears were always there. You don't need a college education to figure that out.
@Larzabeth Bears have always been there. Elk decline did not occur until the wolves arrived. Watch and see the bear population decline in five or so years. Less food available for bears once the elk are gone or severely depleated.
that's alot of elks
TheRj1322 6 days ago
if i didnt know that fox was hunting i wouldve thought it had some serious earth loving issues
santahead 3 months ago
lol one of these times the fox is going to hit a rock or something
101selenafan 7 months ago
the part with the fox is funny
thedoubledeus 8 months ago
@ZapherJin, jealous of what???? Tree huggers that dont have a clue of whats going around Montana???? Huh ya you are right I hate the ignorant people that dropped the wolves off. I hate that my kids wont be able to hunt Gardiner.
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JUGGERNAUNT1000 1 year ago
Do you know what "TheFreecoyote'? We should drop wolves off in Central Park and see how the enlightened ones love it!
pbbioteachin 1 year ago
@pbbioteachin haters gonna hate, esp the stupid jealous ones
ZapherJin 1 year ago
They closed Elk Hunting in Gardiner Area this year .......all the Elk are Dead. All the Elk in this Video are those elk. 90,000 Elk are gone. Yellowstone is Empty. You are watching a piece of that destruction......this is a rerun. There are no new vids like this.
TheFreecoyote 1 year ago
LMAO teh fox jumping was too cuteee
SarahLee1 1 year ago
@SarahLee1 Love how he got buried up to his hips in snow with each jump.
mcmptn 9 months ago
I also have data from March 2010. Where is your data? Oh, I forgot, you just come up with your own.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Oh, really, funny you never mentioned any 2010 data. Probably because IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT SHOWS A RAPID DECLINE IN ELK NUMBERS! DAH.........
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n Yes, I did. You have a problem with comprehension.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
In fact, the elk total today in the Bitterroot Valley is above 6,000 animals, whereas in the 1970s less than 3,000 elk inhabited the Bitterroot because hunters were allowed to kill so many females (which makes one question how good the good old days really were). Wolves balance elk and deer populations in the Northern Rockies, but hunter harvest, winter range quality and availability, winter severity, and development collectively play a much, much bigger role in deer and elk numbers.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
And without wolves, the whole landscape would suffer.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth The landscape did fine without wolves for over 100 years, and will continue to be fine when the last one is gone.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n No it will not! It will never be the same without the animals that were there waaaaaaaay before humans were there.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Fact is (you can read, right?) Look up Lewis and Clark journals. They found little game in the mountains. Why? Tough winters, little forage for ungulates. Now, with modern farming and ag techniques, we now have lots of game, or use to, until the wolves arrived.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n Why do you want to kill? You need to figure out what is wrong with you.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Nothing wrong with me. Your values are way different than mine. You can talk on the internet because of people like me. Know why? Its called FREEDOM and it comes with a price. By the way, I eat all those deer, elk, ducks, geese, fish, and grouse that I harvest. Raised several kids on them, all college grads now to boot. They are also making a difference in the real world.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n LOL!!!!!!!! I can talk on the Internet because of people like you! That is hilarious! You eat elk that you "harvest"? That is funny because a few minutes ago you said you do not hunt elk. Now we have established that not only are you not very intelligent, you are also a liar.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth He probably just wants to kill things to watch them die. I feel sorry for his kids. He would probably tie antlers on them and make them run around while trying to shoot at them if the elk completely died out. Then he would have a reason to have shoot something. LoL
12OunceProphet 1 year ago
@12OunceProphet typical of people like you.....
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n You are a liar. You said you do not hunt elk. You said you hunt deer. Then later you said you hunt elk. That makes you either stupid or a liar.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Hes probably both .
12OunceProphet 1 year ago
@12OunceProphet My research on his stupid, liar comments proves you to be correct.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Lair Liar Liar! Ha Ha (small minds leave small comments.....)
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n You need to sober up! You are making a fool of yourself.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Hes probably drunk and angry because hes full of shit. LOL
12OunceProphet 1 year ago
@12OunceProphet LOL! Just what the world needs, a drunken hunter running around with a gun!
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Yea, we already have enough people running around with guns who are crazed and out for blood, this guy is out of his mind.
12OunceProphet 1 year ago
@12OunceProphet I feel so sorry for his children. If they are as smart and successful as he says, they obviously took after their mother.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Yes, if their mother is a hunter then its a loss both ways LOL Two Hunters in a family is just too much LOL!!!!
12OunceProphet 1 year ago
@12OunceProphet Eww I had not even thought that she could also be a hunter. How sad for children to be reared in a family where there is no respect for life.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Yep , that is a hunter for ya ! LOL
12OunceProphet 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Nice response, but you are reading off the defenders of wildlife jargon, which are LIES. You can regulate human hunting, you cannot regulate wolf hunting, and wolves are destroying the elk herds in Montana. No doubt about it.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n Unfortunately, at this time I only have moments for a reply but I will be getting back to you as my time allows. But I would like to tell you that no, I did not get my facts from Defenders of Wildlife. I used several different sources other than Defenders of Wildlife. From where did you get your silly comments? A Cabela's flyer? LOL
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Well, I have researched it myself. As I stated, I take no data from the park. I know enough from the Montana side as to what is happening to the elk, and it is gruesome at best. I would enjoy reading true data, but what we are getting from the park it political propaganda. I like elk, I dislike wolves, no doubt about that. I listen to the canadians, the russian, the only ones with real experience, and they think we are nuts for putting the wolves in there in the first place.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n "for putting the wolves there in the first place"?! The wolves were there in the first place! You say you take no data from the park? Do you take data from hunters? Are you a hunter? If you research yourself, well you still have to be going to sources to research unless you are a biologist out in the field, which I seriously doubt that.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
And I do not care what the Canadians or the Russians do when it comes to wolves. Did it occur to you that the ones you are listening to could be wrong? You say you like elk? Do you hunt the elk?
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Another statistic, in 1995, there were 1200 moose in the park. The 2010 count was 117. Is that sustainable? Lolo elk herd in Idaho. 1995, 13,000 elk were counted. Now ther are 2,100, with less than 10% of the calves surviving. Is that sustainable? Am I a hunter? Not elk, but deer, yes. So that makes the data wrong?
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n Hunters have done far more damage than wolves have. So because you are a hunter does not make you wrong but as a hunter you are part of the problem.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Now you are blowing smoke into the wind. Hunter dollars are why there are game herds. Who bought the land for winter game ranges? Who pays for the biologists? Who pays for problems with elk and ranchers? Hunters do. Are you a little boy or something? Hunters are the solution to the problem, and have been for many years.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n Well you just explained a lot with that one! Your biologists are in the pockets of you hunters. No wonder your numbers are skewed.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Mont556n Oh, yes, I am a little boy with the name of Larzabeth! You are doing yourself no favors by making stupid assumptions such as that!
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth ok, not that I know, no sense in talking to you. Have a nice day!
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n Oh, so you can not even answer my question as to why you like to kill? Interesting. It says a lot about you. And I hope that you never shoot another animal as long as you live.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth This, I really disagree with you on. PEOPLE LIVE HERE NOW. We don't need wolves. We have them, so we will live with them, but only a few. We will not stand idly by and watch wolves destroy our way of life, be it killing 95% of the the game or the livestock industry.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n "Stand idly by and watch wolves destroy our way of life"?! You are a silly goose for even saying something like that! Way of life, HA! You do not need elk to survive! You can go to the grocery store and buy your food. 95% of the game being destroyed by wolves? Well now I know where you are getting your statistics, you are making it up!
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Mont556n And maybe people should not live there now. Did that ever occur to you? Or are you one of those people who think some god put the animals on the Earth for people to do whatever they want to for their pleasure? Are you also for canned hunts?
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Ya know something, you are an IDIOT! Like people are gonna move out of Montana to make room for wolves. You don't even make sense. Maybe we should move you across the pond?
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n Montana would be a much better place without ignorant people such as you who only think about shooting something to watch it die. Does that make you feel like some kind of big man?
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Ya know, I would much rather watch an elk get shot and killed in about 1 minute than a pack of mangy wolves rip an elk apart and eat it while it is alive....
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n you sound like a complete idiot.
12OunceProphet 1 year ago
@12OunceProphet Thank you. Would not expect anything less from a wolf advocate.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n Your welcome ! :) I Just do not understand your hate for wolves . And some of the things you are saying sound completely stupid. You talking about "until wolves arrived " . Wolves have been around for a long long time. Longer then you . Humans are very much fucking up the planet more then any animal.
12OunceProphet 1 year ago
@Mont556n Your Welcome. Nature has always been able to balance itself out since the dawn of time. Why would you think the planet needs YOUR Help to eliminate animals on this earth ? Nature in itself was fine , until humans came a long and started building everywhere, tearing down forests, Hunting or poaching animals to extinction , and doing other things to fuck up the planet.
12OunceProphet 1 year ago
I just do not get why you HATE wolves so much . Some of the things you are saying are completely stupid. You said "until wolves arrived" , reality check, wolves have been here a lot longer then you and i . Anyways, i have had this chat with a few hunters before and its usually the same b.s. . Good day ..
12OunceProphet 1 year ago
@12OunceProphet bah bah bah
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n That is right, keep baaing . Someone needs to slap some sense into you. You are a moron . LOL
12OunceProphet 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Well, we live here, you move back to europe while you are at it. Oh, they have wolves there to now, don't they? Maybe go to Africa.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n You move!
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Never read that data. Possible in the 70s, but I would rather see those elk go to people than wolves anyday. Now in the bitteroot, things have changes. Five years ago, 2,000 elk, today, less than 700, with an 11% calf crop and 4 bulls per 100 elk. This is brought on by wolf predation. Hunting will soon not be allowed there at all for people. I don't think wolves are worth that much.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Larzabeth You have old data. I have the data sitting on my desk in front of me right now. 2,000 elk in 2005, now they counted 765. Of those counted, they saw 4 bulls per 100 elk. The calf ratio was 11 calves per 100 cows. There will probable be no hunting in that area for several years. You want to blame hunters for those numbers before? Fish and Game personel can regulate hunter numbers and harvest quota. They cannot regulate wolf kills.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n for you to even say that it will be fine without the wolves illustrates your lack of ecological knowledge. You really should take the time to learn about it. You might even find that you like it.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Ha Ha, to much! We have lived without them for over 100 years! Game herds flourished! People prospered. it was a great system, until these wolves arrived.......
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n It was a great system until hunters arrived.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Hunters have been paying for game management for over 100 years! How much do you pay?
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n Why do you enjoy killing animals?
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Mont556n And game management only to insure that you have more innocent victims to shoot at and kill.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Thats a lie. look up billingsgazette Then search wolves, then find article on bitterroot elk. It won't let me put the website addy in. Figure it out.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n I have the statistics right in front of me, from National Geographic not Cabela's advertisements.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth "national geographic". Ya know, I read that magazine from cover to cover for over 30 years. After the wolf issue, I cancelled it. Those people have no idea......
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n I am sorry for your children. Please give them my condolences for having you for a father.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Now that was a good one....got me there....
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n I got you on everything. You just make up things to suit your sickness.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Mont556n You have no idea. And I am certain that National Geographic will go out of business without your support! LOL!
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Mont556n why do you hunt?
Larzabeth 1 year ago
And what about the gripe that wolves are eating all the elk in the Northern Rockies? Chadwick, like so many others, puts that fabulously false rumor to bed (though surely it will matter not to the devoted propagators of the myth):
[B]oth elk and deer are doing well across the West.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
As game manager Jim Williams puts it, With wolves back in the picture along with cougars and bears, we'll have places where elk and deer may never be as abundant again as people remember, and we'll have other places where they'll do fine. There are bigger drivers than wolves in these systems. Studies have shown that winter weather and the quality of wintering habitat are really what control deer and elk populations over time. That and human hunting.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth The only place elk are doing fine is where no wolves are present.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n That is simply not true at all. There are many places where the elk are doing well where there are wolves. You are not taking into consideration other factors which cause the deaths of elk. You have tunnel vision and all you see are wolves. You fail to consider the weather conditions, other types of animals including humans who had the Bitterroot elk population down to only 3,000 in the 1970s due to over hunting. Now they are above 6,000 in number.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth he put nothing to bed. It is happening in every every where wolves have been established for at least 5 years. Your wolves are destorying our game herds at an unprecendated rate.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n That is not true! You are not even taking into consideration all of the factors including the impact that humans have on the elk, deer, and moose.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth (can you listen?) If a noticible drop in game populations occur, then HUNTING is cut back, or eliminated. You cannot do that with these wolves.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n Have you never heard of the balance of nature? Are so old and senile that you have forgotten important things in life?
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Oh yes, and now it is out of balance. Soon there will be few (or no) elk or moose left in many areas, due to wolf predation.
Mont556n 1 year ago
without wolves:
[B]y most measures the [Yellowstone elk] population had swelled too high, and their range was deteriorating. Shortly after killing the last Yellowstone wolves in 1926, park officials were culling elk by the thousands. The elk kept rebounding and overgrazing key habitats, creating a perpetually unnatural situation for a park intended to preserve nature.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
With wolves back in the picture, however: [P]ack-hunted elk turn into less vulnerable quarry. They become more vigilant and keep on the move more. In the wolfless era, herds practically camped at favorite winter dining spots, foraging on young aspen, willow, and cottonwood until the stems grew clubbed and stunted like bonsai plants. Released from such grazing pressure, saplings now shoot up to form lush young groves. More songbirds find nesting habitat within their leafy shade.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
Along waterways, vigorous willow and cottonwood growth helps stabilize stream banks. More insects fall from overhanging stems to feed fish and amphibians. Beavers find enough nutritious twigs and branches to support new colonies.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Ridiculous, at best. Ecosystem was fine without wolves.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n No, the ecosystem was fine without humans.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth unfornately PEOPLE NOW LIVE HERE! Put the wolves in your backyard, not mine.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n I would gladly have them back in my backyard. Unfortunately, they have been hunted to extinction here but fools such as yourself.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth The songbirds were always there, and always will be. Mute point. yes, less elk mean more vegetation, but this also means more fires with no grazers to keep the vegetation low.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Larzabeth And that resource could have been utilized by people.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n That resource? You mean the elk? The elk could have instead have been killed by humans with a blood lust who enjoy killing? Is that what you are saying?
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Nope, we shoot a few and eat em. They are mighty good. Little fat, and many a man feeds his family up here with elk meat, or use to.......
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Larzabeth I do agree that there were to many elk in the park. That could have been fixed by a few hunts within the park by people. Certain areas could have been designated, as they do in Grand Teton. So you have wolves now. Will the elk survive at all? That is hard to say.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Yes, and that could have been avoided by regulated hunts by people. Now we have the mess we have, with wolves literally wiping out elk in many areas. What a shame!
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n No, you are so wrong. So just admit that you want to have more elk, moose, and deer for you and your hunter buddies to shoot at.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Good lord, you are dumb......sorry, but you are.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n You are the dumb one. The only thing you want is to have more targets to shoot at. You are really sick.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
Predation by wolves can have a big impact on the ecosystem, explained Ripple, who has published several articles on the relationship between wolves and aspen growth. The wolf as a keystone predator will prey on elk, and then the elk eat young aspen, cottonwood, and willow trees. Now with wolves back in the system, the plants are flourishing more than before. When the wolves disappeared from Yellowstone, the saplings stopped growing up into mature trees, said Beschta.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
The trees in turn have a wide-reaching effect on the rest of the ecosystem. With signs of plant health improving, Ripple was optimistic:
We might see more birds, an increase in beavers, which would create more ponds, which creates more habitats . . . theres all types of cascading effects that were starting to document with the reintroduction of wolves.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Ridiculous argument.
Mont556n 1 year ago
Tom Bergerud, a biologist in British Columbia stated this " I predict that you are going to have major impacts from wolves in this stateI predict major elk declinewolves repeatedly depress moose, caribou and elk populations while studying them throughout CanadaIve watched herd after herd [of caribou] go EXTINCT across CanadaThe problem, wolves have no know predators to keep them in balance with the ecosystem."
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n Well that biologist should have stayed in school. There are things that can and do kill the wolves. For instance one of the wolf packs was devastated by disease, they suspect either distemper or parvo. The ecosystem can handle problems very well when humans let it work the way that nature intended.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
It appears that in another 5 years, very few elk will inhabit ynp due to wolf predation on calf elk. Something like 90% of all elk calves now do not make it to one year of life. Really to bad with these wolves destroying all other animals....
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n where did you get that crazy idea? Are you a hunter?
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Not so crazy. Northern yellowstone elk herd, 15,000 ten years ago (probable overpopulated, sure), now less than 5,000. Less than 10% of the calves are making it to one year old. Most elk over 6 years old. Only a matter of time before the population decreases further. How far, who knows? But the fact remains, they are aged and not reproducing enough to keep a balance. I would assume the wolf population will plummet, but we will see. Any moose left in yellowstone?
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n A study of Yellowstone elk between 2003-2005 found that grizzly and black bears — not wolves — are by far the No. 1 threat to elk calves. Bears, the study found, are responsible for about 60 percent of elk calf predator deaths in Yellowstone while wolves kill between 14 to 17 percent and coyotes kill up to 11 percent.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
Adding to the mystery, the local wolf population in the herds area has plummeted from 94 in 2007 to 32 this year, Smith said.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
Elk counts published in the January 2004 issue of the Journal of Wildlife Management reported that elk populations from 1995-2000 were more influenced by the winters than the rising wolf population. In addition, a study in 2001 showed that Yellowstone moose whose offspring had been attacked by wolves learned predator recognition within a single generation.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
"Mechanisms for predator avoidance are already in place, and fears of imminent extinction may be unwarranted," said Joel Berger of the University of Nevada, the studys lead author.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Again, LIES. The park service is run by wanna be biologists. The end result could be the loss of elk entirely in the yellowstone ecosystem unless something is done about the wolves. Moose are now pretty much nonexistant in the park, but you won't hear or read about that.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Utterly ridiculous! I LIVE HERE/ Sure, we have some bad winters, but those elk did not disappear because of bad weather. Wolves killed them, and they did not eat that many of them, either.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Larzabeth That was 2001, not as many wolves OUT OF THE PARK. Look at 2010 data, it is grim at best.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n You are crazy! You even said that you do not use sources!
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth no sources from yellowstone national park. They have an agenda, so they distort the truth.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n You and your blood thirsty hunter friends and the sports shops that sell you ignorant people your guns and ammunition have an agenda.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Mont556n Let me just ask you, what joy do you get out of killing an animal? An animal that has no way of fighting back against cowards with guns standing yards away. How is that fun or sport?
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Like I said, I would much rather see an animal killed by a bullet and die in about 1 minute than watch a pack of wolves eat an elk alive.......
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Mont556n Oh, spare me the lies. You do not care about the life of anything except for yourself and that case of beer you take when you hunt!
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Mont556n hunters are such compassionate people. That is why they set out traps and enjoy shooting animals with bullets and arrows. Then you like to have your picture taken with a dead animal's head in your lap. You are really sick.
Larzabeth 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Mystery? No mystery at all. The are basically competing for the elk left in the park. Wolves kill wolves. Also, the disease epidemic, mange, and a few others, also contributed.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Larzabeth That study was done by park biologists, and think of this. Before wolves, lots of elk (maybe to many, for sure). After wolves, fewer elk (possibly to the point where there will be no elk? who knows yet). Don't tell me bears caused the decline. The bears were always there. You don't need a college education to figure that out.
Mont556n 1 year ago
@Larzabeth Bears have always been there. Elk decline did not occur until the wolves arrived. Watch and see the bear population decline in five or so years. Less food available for bears once the elk are gone or severely depleated.
Mont556n 1 year ago
i love da fox.. at first i was like OH SHIT hes stuck... but then he kept doing. it. -_-"
someone's going to have a BIG head ache XD
Kikyo361 1 year ago
xD i love that fox he/she is so cute
XxStarTheEmoxX 1 year ago
I AM THE FLYING FOX!!*splat* or not
werewolfgal1 2 years ago 2
the fox is so cute when it jumps that way!
TimberWolvesofHeaven 2 years ago
Aw that fox is so cute, love the way it jumps and its head vanishes lol, that can't be comfortable, love it!
Kiomaify 2 years ago
haha my dog does the same thing as the fox XD
Starflite 3 years ago
*Ploop* Goes the fox!!!
crazycat58 3 years ago 3
That fox is soooooooo cute :)
alaynawinchester 3 years ago 4