Charles Glass Style Lateral Raises

[pablito1904]

In other words, if we do this variation without going past 45°, could this prevent impingement's risk and both give us a better side delt activation ?

Thanks by advance for your brilliant thoughts and excuse me for my poor english (i'm french)

[pablito1904]

Is this variation both safe for rotator cuff and better side delt targetting if we stop at 45° degree of elevation ?

[johnc1280]

@pablito1904 exercises that are not friendly to your rotator cuffs are arnold presses and upright rows. these type raises couldnt be more conducive for building up your traps

[misterneckbreaker88]

the best lateral raise i like, im not huge like this guy im just regular bum in the gym lol. i like to lay face down on inline bench and do lateral raises and it hits the read delt spot on, perfect, its burning after 4 sets and a drop set. i'll try these next shoulder sesh

[johnc1280]

2 words.......THESE WORK

[MrJohnnyJoyce]

charles glass style raises are the hardest to do. the weight has to be lower than normal.

[goldeneagle2012]

I am definitely going out with the girl this guy tried to get with when he came to my gym! ha

[A7XNCK]

im lovin the OSU shirt

[ccicc]

I think that it is horrible to see bigger triceps/biceps than shoulders. Many people have that problem even myself.

[Beabletowatchprono]

What happened to this guy? I wonder if he's still training.

[xr801david]

@Beabletowatchprono why wouldnt he be training anymore? u think he just stopped one day or what lol

[zwanzigquadratcm]

I take a lighter weight, stop for a second when my arms are parallel to the ground and go down real slow. Arms straight all the time, I don't bend the elbows.

[Glennbar93]

@zwanzigquadratcm Your supposed to bend elbows just a little bit; it allows you to lift a little heavier and saves your joints.

[bigbobabc123]

Whats your average cycle look like bro? You're huge. (no homo, yes I'm 'mirin)

[crazykorean2268]

i do this way now, and wow, it works a lot better

[thePTDEN]

The mdeial rotation of the palm causes a rotation at the shoulder. This is the same as going pinky higher than thumb when lifting. The rotaion (in this position) in comparison to the traditional places the medial head of the deltoids higher on the shoulder and forces it to contract more ( and takes weight away from the anterior head). I know... because I taught him that lol

[SkuLL17935]

Whoua ! this Gym is awesome ! beautiful

[jareds1007]

how much weight is he using the first few reps? and is this close to the maximum of what he would use normally?

[ryanheidt86]

@jareds1007 who knows... but this is so bad for you... Try it. Without weight. Internally rotate your hand then perform pure abduction (lat raise). You'll feel an impingement at 90 degress. And he's loading weight on it!! HA Besides. Haasn't anyone ever wondered why it's easy then gets harder then easier? There's a mismatch on mucsle torque and resistance torque...

[ryanheidt86]

@jareds1007 at 90 degress of flexion OR abduction the deltoids become taut.. meaning they are at their shortest contraction.  Very weak position. They are strongest at the bottom. But that is when the action is easiest mecahnically with the weight. Same goes for shoulder presses. When you hit 90 degrees in flexion your deltoids are holding statically while your traps and rhomboids are engaging the rest of the way up...

[jareds1007]

@ryanheidt86 so what you are REALLY trying to say?

[ryanheidt86]

@jareds1007 um.. did you not read what I wrote? This is exercise is not good for you. Ha...

For reasons I clearly stated. Did you try what I asked you to try?? Without weight?

[jareds1007]

@ryanheidt86 my shoulders have been messes up since i was fourteen...thats why istarted doing lateral raises........................­...as far as delts go...this exercise kicks as.....wanna talk about your neck, spine, and traps..........better do 'em right!

[ryanheidt86]

@jareds1007 What is wrong with your shoulders??

lateral raises are one thing, internal rotation at the hand (like these are in the video) then performing the lateral raise... complete different story. I explained why this exercise isn't good. You can feel the impingment at the top... and you can feel how its hard then gets easy.. there's a mismatch on muscle force compared to the resistance force.

[jareds1007]

@ryanheidt86 ooohhhhhhh.....i see what you're saying...........I do this exercise bent over....like a reverse fly....it worked well for my build...i haven't had a problem so far. but i see what you're saying

[ryanheidt86]

@jareds1007 Bent over with a neutral grip is okay with no impingment. But the mismatch is still there.

The lying on your side... with the dumbbell perpendiculat to your body... then do your raises like that. Make sure to maintain scapular retraction so you posterior deltoids do the work.

[jareds1007]

@ryanheidt86 ....i tried that !!!! it didn't work for me....chopping wood is awesome for post delts!!!! i always get that GOOD soreness right where i know i would want the muscle to grow....i love it....so i tried with a tower cable maching thingy.....couldn't quite simulate it....lying on the side was too difficult to find the proper movement and started causing me pain at about 25 pounds, where as the bent over reverse flys are slightly impractical but once i got past reps with 40 pounds it

[ryanheidt86]

@jareds1007 You got to do it right. Make sure you maintain scapular retraction. Or your medials will take over. I would not go 25 pounds man. Much lighter. Try ten, go slow. Especially on the eccentric portion of the movement. Don't go all the way up either.. stay away from the shoulder axis.

[xTheFormlessOneIGF1]

@ryanheidt86

exactly man. 240 pound mfr's use 25 pounds when doing side laterals Charles Glass style. therefore, I would be in proportion to them using 5-10 pound dumbells. But most guys see the weights they are using and rationalize to be that size, they should use those weights. When the truth is they should stop worrying about the weights and worry about actually using their muscles and doing the move properly. That gets much better results.

[ryanheidt86]

@xTheFormlessOneIGF1 Yeah man... ha.

[ryanheidt86]

I am sorry you guys. But Charles Glass is not the Wizard....

Angle training and foot positioning is a load of crap also...

It simply does NOT support biomechanics.

Sorry dude..

[ryanheidt86]

Second issue is that the lateral raise has a mechanical strong point that doesn't match the muscle torque. Your Delts are stronger at the bottom and weaker at the top. Well there is 0 moment arm at the bottom... making it mechanically EASY... when you raise it to 90 degrees.. it's mechanically HARDER. So there is a mismatch the muscle torque and resistance torque.

THIS workout IS STUPID. Period.

[ryanheidt86]

Uhhhh... yeah... these are NOT good.

Let me ask you where this movement is supported in biomechanic textbooks?? It's not.

Notice the difference between a neutral grip lateral raise and a pronated lateral raise. You'll notice that with the pronated version thers is an impingment in your shoulder. That's the first issue.

[silkkaka187]

@ryanheidt86 a neutral grip lateral would be unnatural. i hope ur physique speaks volumes about ur knowledge no1 wants to hear some avg joe preaching about how to bodybuild. and charles glass is one of the most innovative, intelligent trainers out there. im also a trainer and i compete and id b honored to wk w/ him. u cnt argue w/ results which ur txtbooks dnt produce, but laterals sure as hell do. learn how to do em right n ur medial delts will blow up. quit hatin on ppl more successful than u

[ryanheidt86]

@silkkaka187 hahahahaha really? Neutral hand grip is unnatural??  Explain. Please.

My physique is just fine. Where can I post pictures? I am not talking about bodybuilding... I am talking about BIOMECHANICS.. something ALL of our body's our governed by...

[ryanheidt86]

@silkkaka187 Second... textbooks do provide results if you apply it right. You get results because I almost guarantee you're using anabolics.  Anyone will see results with any kind of workout with that juice. Also, your glass style lateral raises are trying to target posterior delts.. that's why you'd do it. So why are you talking about medial delts????

I am not hating. Just explaining proper BIOMECHANICS....

[ryanheidt86]

@silkkaka187 Waiting for you response about the unnatural grip when your h and is neutral.. ha.

I am a trainer too, genius. And this is why I don't trust most trainers. Because most of you are fucking people up in the long run. Most of you don't know you head from your ass when it comes to training. Go read a textbook that implements what you do in the gym so YOU are safe... and more importantly.. your clients are safe. Biomechanics first - Performance second.

[xTheFormlessOneIGF1]

@ryanheidt86

thats my saying too man. Mine goes "safety first, muscle size and shape second"

[ryanheidt86]

@xTheFormlessOneIGF1 exactly man

[ryanheidt86]

@silkkaka187 HAHAHAAHA

[avatarcollides2day]

What are thos for? Rear delts?

[FITLODE]

Definitely going to give these ones a try.

[MrRanger1987]

who is that short guy behind you?

[ronyboy40]

sort of a rear delt type movement, world gym venice per chance?

[pell557]

i do it different ways and one would be lying chest on a incline bench

[bronco200005]

Shit

[thundermik]

shit

[wathtehill]

shit.

[MrMusclefish]

shit!!

[drewey07]

shit.

[drewey07]

there is limited range of motion..

[drewey07]

great for your rotator cuffs..

[ryanheidt86]

@drewey07 ha....

[MiKutzUU]

hes arms are to big for his measseaures : it have to be : small biceps, big triceps, ..etc etc ;)

[nenzi671]

Down the rack style. Looks effective. Just alter the hand/arm position. Gotta give 'em a try.

[mikepartyboy]

I do a few styles of lateral raises.

conventional style with elbows pointed back

conventional style with elbows pointed back and relaxed wrist

lateral raise with a twist with the elbows pointed up/pinky up

lateral raise with elbows pointed up through out movement (like in the video)

lateral raise with elbows pointed up and exaggerated twist with pinky pointed up.

[Stupdityrant]

Only 21 kg? I can do right form lateral raises with 20 kg and I'm as half muscular as this guy. I know body building is not about how much you lift but I thought muscle mass was more related to power..

[hornybodhisattva]

wow you do them standing up? is it better than sitting?

[massstak]

no its harder sitting down u cant cheat wen ur sitting down

[hornybodhisattva]

well so i should do them sitting down so i cant cheat!

[massstak]

its up to you dude i f you do them standing up you can go heavier coz u can cheat a little which is better 4 adding size but if u just want to get the form right u should sit down but youl not b able to go as heavy

[hornybodhisattva]

i wanttttt massssss!

[massstak]

i would do them standing then. go heavier and cheat the weight a little but not loads

[hornybodhisattva]

thanks stud

[mmaman88]

it dosent matter as long as your using good form

[mrfitness2008]

fooking racist..get off youtube!

[pinkwrapbub]

so..what does that have to do with him being a good trainer???..nada man....

[jordan99499]

lol

[Cooter1Brown]

Fuckin roid monkey

[Sofarsogoodbk]

the point of this version is to hit the traps and the rear delts more

[jroane89]

no, that's for the most part the right form, you raise and turn the wrist like pouring a glass of water out, except here te wrist are already turned

[djlucy1]

which is not desirable for a movement that's supposed to isolate side delts, right? If you wanna hit traps, do shrugs. If you wanna hit rears, do bent over raises. Charles Glass likes to invent weird things to make himself feel exclusive, and so people will think he's a great trainer.

[threewhitelights]

People think he is a great trainer because everyone he trains, wins.

[colombino66]

get the fuck here. You fat piece of human cow shit.

[montanez707]

All is good but more control on the last bit of the ECCENTRIC!

[rhymeskill]

I'm going to have to give this method a try. Hey, whatever makes your shoulders grow right?

[bm2g]

your involving to much of your traps!

[chosica2]

cigarrets helps u relax u muscless

[WatchMEsuck]

Totally. Alcohol PWO keeps me in an anabolic state. It's Miller Time, hoe!

[troyinaz]

You should have your shirt off. (blush)

[kaizenro]

Cool vid but you're just doing the contracted portion and losing the negative.

[studiobuddy]

lol go try the charles glass style and u tell me plus hes incorporating charles way of doing lateral raises with heavy weights man

[omarion2k]

could someone plz explain this excersise in a bit more detail like its benefits over normal lateral raises or if it hits a different area of the shoulder.

[ryanheidt86]

@omarion2k haha uuummm

[omarion2k]

@ryanheidt86 lol whats so funny i posted that message like 2 years ago

[omarion2k]

@ryanheidt86 lol whats so funny i posted that message like 2 years ago

[chrisjenkins400]

One of the best set of tri's in the UK.. Class with mass

[rpspear2008]

Dude, I'm very disappointed. You got all excuted for your competition; then not a word?

Just cause maybe you didnt place well, you act like it didnt happen? You have a great physique; at least, flex & pose some more FOR US, YOUR FANS!

[dallasmsl]

Great exercise! Thanks for sharing it with everyone. Who is the dude taking the video?

[pecmeat]

Great exercise! Ill be starting them on Monday.

[mmuscleman]

Great!

[Celibonk]

so how did the competition go?