Fuck sake. Just make it an FPS and be done with it. I'd rather fond memories of JA/JA2 than to put up with fucking ridiculous remakes. Combat turn based. Everything else real-time or fuck off. Hear me you stupid German cunts?
Honestly, I love Jagged Alliance 2, it's always been pretty much my favorite game. I just don't see why there is all these issues with the new plan-and-go system. Yes I agree, JA2's turn-based system is proven, it works.. yes yes.. but these guys are trying hard to impleent a more dynamic system, that I believe will work out ok.
I think the best is if they gave the option to either play Turn-Based like Jagged Alliance 2 or the new plan-and-go before you start.. like the Ironman option.
What I've seen in the development videos the system in JA2R will be a lot like in Frozen Synapse (without fixed turn length) which is best that has happened to turn based strategy games in years. I think it will be fine. Turn based purists just get goosebumbs every time "real time" is mentioned. If you don't like the new game you can keep playing the original as will I on the side still. :)
It feels like all of the old turn-based games seem to be going real-time one by one... Fallout, X-COM, Jagged Alliance... It's such a shame. But honestly, even disregarding the real-time thing, this new JA game looks terrible in every way so I don't really care how else they choose to mess it up. Hasn't anyone learned from all the previous JA-sequal wannabees that FAILED miserably? JA is not a franchise that some third-rate developer can exploit for easy money, that much has already been proven.
The core game-play of Jagged Alliance 2 must be preserved. All we expected out of this remake was a graphical update and tiny touch-ups like an adjustable camera. The complete shift from turn-based gameplay to real-time nearly shatters the entire concept of Jagged Alliance 2. I can understand the Fallout-argument that 3 was an attempted evolution from 1 and 2, but this isn't a sequel--it's a remake, and a rather unfaithful remake at that.
You know what they should do? Use a WEGO system. Basically, it's turn-based and all actions/reactions are plotted in a paused mode and then the turns are submitted and the actions are carried out in real time.
For examples, see the games: Frozen Synapse and Laser Squad: Nemesis
This sort of gameplay is MUCH more fun, in my opinion, and requires so much more tactical thinking as you have to predict your opponent's orders and create a solid plan to execute.
Turn based games are good I like them but they are not realistic so I like smart pause games that can be paused and unpaused at any time and have slomo play so if someone want to plan action and see it in normal speed he unpause and who likes to see things in slo mo press slo mo button to see everything in slow tempo. in real life nobody is making turns like I shoot you first then you shoot back in your turn. LOL. If I blow your head off then you will not have your turn sorry. Its not realistic
@7BeAsT9 Any game should focus on FUN above all else. Realism is a nice plus for some, but maybe you should look for simulators if it's that high on your requirements list. Turn based strategy game fans have an outspoken preference for games that allow them to think about their next move instead of being forced into a mindless clickfest (pausable or not). Ignoring the very people who would be your easiest to get customers is just plain stupid. Way to go Bit Composer.
@Shrikinator fun? go play in sand on the beach this is good fun for kids. There are different players not only casual mindless kiddos that want fun fun fun. JA was not made for dumb kids. All i wanted to say that smart pause is more realistic that moving in turns. So I disagree with those who want only turns. Good that developers want to make 2 options or just make something new
@Shrikinator u are stupid and dont understand nothing so gtfo. Go play with your little prick I bet you will got lots of pure fun. Leave good games to real players and you should play arcake games like pac man or tetris there you will have fun from games. Games are also PROGRAMS so they are not ment to mindles fun! But u are to fucking dumb to understand that. As I said, go play with yourself.
@Shrikinator u are stupid and dont understand nothing so gtfo. Go play with your little prick I bet you will got lots of pure fun. Leave good games to real players and you should play arcade games like pac man or tetris there you will have fun from games. Games are also PROGRAMS so they are not ment to mindles fun! But u are to fucking dumb to understand that. As I said, go play with yourself.
XD what a comparison: ja2 reloaded vs starcraft 2 or c&c ... i think its a great idea and i' m very interested in the remake. the best decision would be, that they implement both of the possibilities. but i don#t know, if that is possible.
what about a system like valkyria chronicles, you ja2 headz got an opinion on that?
ValChronification 2 months ago
Fuck sake. Just make it an FPS and be done with it. I'd rather fond memories of JA/JA2 than to put up with fucking ridiculous remakes. Combat turn based. Everything else real-time or fuck off. Hear me you stupid German cunts?
DrJackJeckyl 6 months ago
@DrJackJeckyl Get the fuck out.
WolfhoundMercenary 2 months ago
@WolfhoundMercenary Yeah... make me, Chubby :)
DrJackJeckyl 2 months ago
@DrJackJeckyl I don't think I need to.
People like yourself always make a fool out of themselves before dissapearing into history :D
That being said, tough luck. The game devs won't be changing the gameplay because one brat rants about it. So well.... deal with it? ;)
WolfhoundMercenary 2 months ago
Honestly, I love Jagged Alliance 2, it's always been pretty much my favorite game. I just don't see why there is all these issues with the new plan-and-go system. Yes I agree, JA2's turn-based system is proven, it works.. yes yes.. but these guys are trying hard to impleent a more dynamic system, that I believe will work out ok.
I think the best is if they gave the option to either play Turn-Based like Jagged Alliance 2 or the new plan-and-go before you start.. like the Ironman option.
GODSPEEDseven 6 months ago
But I agree with the fog of war. There should be option to turn it on...
Aquelll 6 months ago
What I've seen in the development videos the system in JA2R will be a lot like in Frozen Synapse (without fixed turn length) which is best that has happened to turn based strategy games in years. I think it will be fine. Turn based purists just get goosebumbs every time "real time" is mentioned. If you don't like the new game you can keep playing the original as will I on the side still. :)
Aquelll 6 months ago
the game would be greater whith graphics like 3d and browser nice combo
joshishost 6 months ago
where do i need to play the game
joshishost 6 months ago
Haven't you heard?
Strategy games aren't contemporary.
Well according to 2K who recently violated X-COM in the bushes, that is.
I think its the developers not giving people enough credit. They believe stopping and thinking or anything slightly complex will turn off sales.
Well, I don't see how saturating their products with the bland FPS or the superior real time strategy games does anything.
Signed the petition, just about 770 members. Doubt it will work...
littleNorwegians 6 months ago
It feels like all of the old turn-based games seem to be going real-time one by one... Fallout, X-COM, Jagged Alliance... It's such a shame. But honestly, even disregarding the real-time thing, this new JA game looks terrible in every way so I don't really care how else they choose to mess it up. Hasn't anyone learned from all the previous JA-sequal wannabees that FAILED miserably? JA is not a franchise that some third-rate developer can exploit for easy money, that much has already been proven.
BladedThesis 6 months ago
Its the same shit that happens to Ufo:Enemy Unknown, they will rape all cool franchises like this.
Darkgalahad 7 months ago
Meh...turned-based is not the Holy Grail of tacical gaming.
While I love turn-based games and adore JA2 and many similar games...I have played great tactical real-time (with pause) games...so I don't mind.
turn-based on not is NOT automaticly a sing of greatness/horribleness. Will wait to see how the game play, THEN comment.
Soronarr 8 months ago
@Soronarr thank you! now I don't have to come up with my own comment and just uprate yours :D
raphalguul 6 months ago
Signed,
The core game-play of Jagged Alliance 2 must be preserved. All we expected out of this remake was a graphical update and tiny touch-ups like an adjustable camera. The complete shift from turn-based gameplay to real-time nearly shatters the entire concept of Jagged Alliance 2. I can understand the Fallout-argument that 3 was an attempted evolution from 1 and 2, but this isn't a sequel--it's a remake, and a rather unfaithful remake at that.
TehRic 9 months ago
Signed!
hzkata 10 months ago
were do you go to play the online jagged alliance game. I want to try it out.
Coop4447 10 months ago
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RestauranteChines 10 months ago
You know what they should do? Use a WEGO system. Basically, it's turn-based and all actions/reactions are plotted in a paused mode and then the turns are submitted and the actions are carried out in real time.
For examples, see the games: Frozen Synapse and Laser Squad: Nemesis
This sort of gameplay is MUCH more fun, in my opinion, and requires so much more tactical thinking as you have to predict your opponent's orders and create a solid plan to execute.
vman456 10 months ago
3 times YES !
EvilMaleficus 1 year ago
Oh and make all mercs so can learn skills from zero pls
zumpster 1 year ago
Signed, please for the love of god keep the turnbased strategy genre alive :/
NinjaBeastLord1 1 year ago
Jagged alliance 2 one of the best games ever
zumpster 1 year ago 7
lern englisch man
Bombalega600 1 year ago
Turn based games are good I like them but they are not realistic so I like smart pause games that can be paused and unpaused at any time and have slomo play so if someone want to plan action and see it in normal speed he unpause and who likes to see things in slo mo press slo mo button to see everything in slow tempo. in real life nobody is making turns like I shoot you first then you shoot back in your turn. LOL. If I blow your head off then you will not have your turn sorry. Its not realistic
7BeAsT9 1 year ago
@7BeAsT9 Any game should focus on FUN above all else. Realism is a nice plus for some, but maybe you should look for simulators if it's that high on your requirements list. Turn based strategy game fans have an outspoken preference for games that allow them to think about their next move instead of being forced into a mindless clickfest (pausable or not). Ignoring the very people who would be your easiest to get customers is just plain stupid. Way to go Bit Composer.
Shrikinator 1 year ago
@Shrikinator fun? go play in sand on the beach this is good fun for kids. There are different players not only casual mindless kiddos that want fun fun fun. JA was not made for dumb kids. All i wanted to say that smart pause is more realistic that moving in turns. So I disagree with those who want only turns. Good that developers want to make 2 options or just make something new
7BeAsT9 1 year ago
@7BeAsT9 I suggest you read your own reply a couple of times. yeah, sounds like a mindless kiddo to me indeed.
Shrikinator 1 year ago
@Shrikinator u are stupid and dont understand nothing so gtfo. Go play with your little prick I bet you will got lots of pure fun. Leave good games to real players and you should play arcake games like pac man or tetris there you will have fun from games. Games are also PROGRAMS so they are not ment to mindles fun! But u are to fucking dumb to understand that. As I said, go play with yourself.
7BeAsT9 1 year ago
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@Shrikinator u are stupid and dont understand nothing so gtfo. Go play with your little prick I bet you will got lots of pure fun. Leave good games to real players and you should play arcade games like pac man or tetris there you will have fun from games. Games are also PROGRAMS so they are not ment to mindles fun! But u are to fucking dumb to understand that. As I said, go play with yourself.
7BeAsT9 1 year ago
XD what a comparison: ja2 reloaded vs starcraft 2 or c&c ... i think its a great idea and i' m very interested in the remake. the best decision would be, that they implement both of the possibilities. but i don#t know, if that is possible.
ab12fred 1 year ago
Signed.
pariahchild2K 1 year ago
+1
signed
HiddenXTube 1 year ago
Sign the petition!
Follow the link in the video-description and go to the forum.
The sub-forum "General" contains the thread with the petition link!
Or you can search for the petition on petitionsonline.
Use terms like: Jagged Alliance 2, Reloaded, bitComposer Games, Remake
See your signature on the petition! :-)
MasterMetaller 1 year ago 3
@MasterMetaller
Hi, i added the petition link to the Video-Description, thank you very much!
Please sign the petition!
AllianceJagged 1 year ago
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MasterMetaller 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
"Oh no, we hate realistic games! RT is so unrealistic. Look at the RL, it's TB too!"
Seriously, go and play Close Combat and then stfu!
DrCraven 1 year ago
really last chance-he is right!
Stazco 1 year ago
he is using the latest 1.13 mod, so i think he knows Bear's Pit :)
Anyway, great video! I will definitely post a statement! JA2 is one of my "lonely island" games!
UAreWhatULove 1 year ago
Yo, Are you a member of the Bear's pit forum? We have multiple threads under the JA2 Reloaded entry. Feel free to join and post.
usrbid 1 year ago
100% agreed!
Moritz19081980 1 year ago