@Iisdabest889 Ok, if you're saying their far-right, maybe you should really read what someone says before replying to them. If you're saying their far-left, you can't just provide policies, you have to state why those policies are far-left.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia A far right group wouldn't be in favour of more funding to the NHS, or and increased inheritance tax, NOR would they be in favour of increasing engineering and science education through subsidies over demand. NOR would they oppose genetically modified produce, and last time I checked... it wasn't exactly the right that was screaming for corporations to pay their "fair share" (whatever that means).
If they aren't right wing, what else are they going to be?
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Because a right wing group wouldn't be in favour of more funding to the NHS, or and increased inheritance tax, NOR would they be in favour of increasing engineering and science education through subsidies over demand. NOR would they oppose genetically modified produce, and last time I checked... it wasn't exactly the right that was screaming for corporations to pay their "fair share" (whatever that means).
@Ionlyfearphobophobia The Bnp support nationalisation of industries, which is pretty left wing economically. There is no doubt that they are far right social wise, but economically they do have left wing policies, it's why they are called Nazis (National socialists).
@zaczoc Their economic policies are only left-wing because their mildly socialist. However, they don't call for the industries of this country to be owned by the state, they just call for them to be owned by the British. Those are the only left-wing policies the BNP have, the rest (which is the vast majority) is far-right.
Oh, and just for the record, in order to be a Nazi, you need to believe in Nazism.
conservative traitors,conservatives are left wings today,better sayed,there is no right and left wing today,it's an outdated concept,there are social democrats with or without christian moral values,nationalists,dying communists(from trotskists to stalinists),the rest is bullshit and insignificant ramifications.Conservatives and liberals today are the same thing,there is no diffrence,conservatives are a bunch of internationalist traitors as well,they couldn't care less for the destruction of UK.
@hilletehnoob When your talking about the Conservative party, use a capital "C". A conservative (lower case "c"), is someone that believes in conservatism.
What you mean by "conservative traitors", is "Conservative traitors", because the Conservative party haven't been conservative for about 60 years.
why would anyone supports something that is so bad for our nations such as multiculturalism,islamization,destruction of our identities,economically and socially bad(they suck welfare,do lots of crimes,they suck 2 billion more than what they contribute,and not even adding they money they send abroad on the equation),this is suicide,anyone who agrees with multiculturalism is either severely stupid,brainwashed or uninformed about the consequences of what they are promoting,vote BNP bfr it's late.
a civic rather than an ethnic concept of nation is the most bloody and deadly idea that has ever walked on earth,it simply doesn't work and creates ethnic conflicts soon or later such as in yugoslavia and soviet union,humans have a sense of belonging to their group,their similars,humans are connected to their ethnic similars,that idea will never work,it will create the most deadly ethnic conflicts europe has ever seen in less than 50 years with muslims,africans and others,it's a CATASTROPHY!
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@Ionlyfearphobophobia I think I see the problem also - I do your research for you and you respond to answers with more questions. There are 50+ policies on the BNP manifesto that you would associate with left-leaning politics, it's right in front of you...
@magpie1892 Well you think the policies you have provided are left-wing, if i am to answer your question "How is it right wing?", i need to know what you think left, and right-wing is.
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"The nurturing and encouragement of new and existing British industries" - subsidisation and other forms of protectionism; staunchly left wing
The BNP is a highly nationalist, but economically very leftist party. Something like maybe... nationalist socialists. Sound familiar? Yep, Hitler and Griffin are VERY similar. Both target the white working class for support, both build their party around ethnicity and crucially both are very Keynesian in their economic outlook.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia A large state grip on the economy is very much left wing! The BNP has the most left wing economic policy of all the major parties.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Protectionism is left-wing economic policy because it prevents free trade and the free movement of peoples based on market prices. Protectionists assume that the government can and should be the determiner prices and competition, a fundamentally left-wing concept.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia The BNP wants to encourage greater share-ownership and worker co-operatives, doubling the foreign aid budget for the resettlement of ethnic minorities outside of Britain, increasing the legal status of NHS workers, and increasing funding for the British welfare state for British workers.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Did you not read what I wrote? They want to use the foreign aid budget and double it to resettle ethnic minorities outside of Britain as a form of repatriation of people they don't like. You should understand why desiring to increase funding for the British welfare state is left-wing.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia 1. Yes. Both their older and newer platforms. 2. The left wing and other socialists generally believe that the state is the best or only institution that can redistribute income, provide services like health care and housing, and other government welfare. So they use progressive taxation to take money from productive people to give to other people for those reasons and to redistribute income along lines they think are fair. Fundamentally socialist.
@BrutusHayek1776 Only because those policies are mildly socialist. However, that being said, socialism isn't a very good definition of left-wing because it's not about radicalism or reforming, it's about social organization, but it's still a definition of left-wing non the less.
Take into concideration the BNP have FAR MORE right-wing policies then left. And as i said, those left-wing ones are only left-wing because their mildly socialist.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia We have to disagree on that. Supporting fundamentally anti-capitalist and expanding pro wealth redistribution polices are economically of the left.
@BrutusHayek1776 How is it "anti-capitalist"? Because it's anti-anti-national?
I mean even if it was, it's even less then what were doing now, which is bailing out banks for their incompetence, and giving all of our money to other countries because their doing shit.
@BrutusHayek1776 Capitalism, Noun; An economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
Using protectionism to nationalize a country doesn't make it anti-capitalist, free trade isn't the only form of capitalism.
lonlyfearphobophobia has some equivocating (non existent) dictionary.
Even when we use his own definition he will cry victim. Even in a country with such a strong liberal bias he thinks that the standard definition would be sympathetic to the BNP ideology – ‘we’re not racist, oxford dictionary said so’. His dictionary doesn’t exist so don’t stress, SuperGOPman .
N.B - Semantics isn't about "facts and opinions". This is because lexicon is relative; we use the common words, yours is marginal.
FAR-RIGHT NOT FAR LEFT, THEY WERE A SPLINTER GROUP FROM THE NATIONAL FRONT FOR FUCKS SAKE!! RIGHT WING TORY SCUMBAG..., the far left are groups such as the socialist workers party!!
@Ionlyfearphobophobia I have and conservatism, capitalism, reactionary politics and monarchism do not apply to the BNP, but socialism and republicanism do.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia 1. "It has called for British ownership of its own industries and resources and the subordination of the power of the City to the power of the government".
2.The BNP is not conservative because it is fascist, and therefore it believes in social engineering and the third position, which is not conservative, it seeks the destruction of the commonwealth which conservatives would not like.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia To be in sole control of Britain the BNP would get rid of democracy and the monarchy which limits political power. We just have to look at Nazi Germany to see how the fascist tried to destroy the church and not restore the monarchy.
3. "Holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in politics or religion." the BNP would radically change this country. A reactionary is just a ultraconservative.
@MrGilles1990 Or to put it more clearly, could you please point to the exact BNP policy on thier website to provide some substantiation to your claims.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia 2. The BNP is corporatist it believes that business should benefit the "nation" it would collude with corporations for what it sees as in the national interest. Capitalism is a system where government and private sectors separate, the opposite of corporatism.
2. the BNP seek a federation of Britain and Ireland to do so we must be a republic, also the BNP has recently been found selling republican music.
I think you should look into the BNP's other positions, I believe you're ignorant of them. They are left 3 out of 4 times. The only "rightist" positions they have are euroscepticism and their perversion of conservative immigration policy.
Whenever you give one group exclusivity and special status you automatically give one group superiority and another inferiority. This is discrimination and that is an objective point. In cases people may argue that discrimination is just - for criminals, for the disabled, for the low income. All governments discriminate.
Discrimination on the basis of race alone is racism. Whenever you consider someone "special" because of race, ethnicity or whatever you choose to call it, you become racist.
You are a racist. You fit your own fucking definition. What makes a civic national less than a british one? To you, race. Discrimination on the basis of race.
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the fact is that when it comes to politics there is not really one accurate spectrum on which to place each party or individual. There are many spectrum's for each area e.g economic policy, immigration policy, taxation, etc. what is clear is that in all areas the BNP are at the extreme ends whether it be left or right.
@MrLaughinggrass I say again, it never ceases to amaze me how stupid some people can be. The BNP are far-right, why? Because their extreme consevatives (not conservatives as in the "Conservative party"(because they haven't been true conservatives for about 50 years), conservatives as in believe in "conservatism").
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@Ionlyfearphobophobia i am afraid your conservatism point is wrong. please go to wikipedia and look up conservatism. Then ask how i any way do the BNP wish to maintain the status Quo. Removing foreign nationals, anyone who wasn't born here, nationalising industry, protectionism As i stated in my earlier message its not so simple as that you can just place people or parties on a spectrum. On the economic spectrum BNP are Lefty on others they are righty
@MrLaughinggrass Tell me why im wrong? I mean you want me to tell you why removing foreign nationals is conservative? (note; the BNP's policy is to only remove foreign criminals). The clue is in the name, "foreign nationals", ever heard of a one called "multicultural separatists", or "authoritarian libertarians", or maybe just "black whites". Unless they are a full British national, they are not one of ours. Civic British nationals have the right to live here as long as they behave.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia it doesn't work,you are dilusional if you think that you can have a country full of ethnicities for long term,be they civic and decent or not,you are living in a socialist dream that will turn into a bloody nightmare for whole western world because of immigration,there are no countries with 2 or more ethnicities that cold hold themselfs for long,multiculturalism creates divisionisms,ethnic conflicts,discriminations,genocides,etc,read history,yugoslavia,soviets,ottomans,etc.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Socialism itself in practice is govt takeover LOL as Lenin, Mao, Stalin, Pol-pot, and many others prove, So leftism is still big govt and the left have always advocated bigger govt even the moderate ones, so there is no contridiction between this fact and the dictionary
and yap thank you for proving BNP are socialist and therfore not conservative,..LOL.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia The BNP doesn't call itself Right-wing, of course. It favours nationalisation, higher taxes, protectionism and (though it keeps quiet about this) republicanism. It markets itself as "the Labour Party your parents voted for". Its manifesto calls for "the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports,"
@Ionlyfearphobophobia and promises to "restore our economy and land to British ownership" and "to give workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes".
@SuperGOPman 1. They are very openly on the far-right.
2. Did you not understand? Point to the exact BNP policy that is socialist, all your doing is claiming what their policy is without provding any substantiation.
Misnomer. They are only called Rightist only in the default sense of not being currently Leftist. They are a relic in the modern world of thinking that was once common on the Left but no longer is, therfore BNP are still leftist but old leftists.
@SuperGOPman "The nurturing and encouragement of new and existing British industries" "Ending the £9 billion foreign aid budget" "Ending the £4.5 billion a year wars in Iraq and Afghanistan" "Ending the untold billions spent subsidising the immigration swindle and all its ancillary costs (benefits, court and jail services, counter-terrorism measures, the “race relations” industry and a host of others)" "Ending the billions pumped into the EU swindle"
@SuperGOPman I mean i'm looking really closely at their economic policies, and i can't see any of them that are left-wing. So can you please point one out to me?
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Lol,what you're trying to prove is,because you are from the extreme left,then the wretched BNP cant be.lol reality fail.Take a look at any BNP supporters channel,you will see they are openly left wing economically.They adore collectivism although they dont call it that,probably cause it sounds too much like something you would vote for lol.Instead they call it "social justice" hehe.They also despise Israel and love Iran, just like you and all the other commie traitors. xD
@CAMERONisaEUROPHILE Ok, i think someone has been having a little too much Christmas chocolate.
After the past two weeks i realized, that yeah, protectionism is left-wing. However, take into consideration that it's only left-wing because it's socialist, and that it's the BNP's ONLY, left-wing policy (except of course the other socialist policies that we already have, example; NHS, Police, etc).
Except from what i've named, can you name any other BNP left-wing policy?
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@Ionlyfearphobophobia Here's 5 from the first 5 pages of a 94-PAGE manifesto on their website: The BNP will: end the involvement of British troops in Afghanistan war; will not allow British forces to become involved in a war against Iran; will renegotiate our presence in NATO; demand an end to the destruction of Britain’s green belt; will launch a “polluter pays” policy in the fight against environmental damage.
Screeds more left-wing stuff there, have a look for yourself.
@mikesheen741 Wow, it never ceases to amaze me how stupid some people can be, like you. Come on then, lets hear your argument.
Oh, and on your channel you said "denying other people the right to free speech is fascism”, only if your on the right. What "denying free speech" is, is authoritarianism. The UAF are not facists because their not on the right, what they are, are liberal authoritarians.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia No. Denying others the right to free speech is fascism, regardless of what your other political principles are. The UAF are fascists and hypocrites. The BNP are also fascists. They are also both left-wing. That doesn't mean you can't be right-wing and fascist though.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Yes, the communists were fascists. The BNP are also fascists because they persecute people based on ethnicity and want to remove them from the country. They want the government to control our lives, they want to abolish some legal systems such as the independent police complaints commission. They want to make the police less accountable by law. They want to abolish human rights acts. They want only white people to have the vote. and they want corporal punnishment.
@mikesheen741 The Communists were fascists... HAHAHAHA, oh, thats funny.
Can you please provide the BNPs policies to back this up? I mean the only things you've got right here is the, abolishment of the human rights acts, and to make the police less accountable by law. These policies are needed to kill political correctness.
So i say again, CAN YOU PLEASE PROVIDE THE BNPS POLICIES TO BACK THIS UP? Except of course the two you got right.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Yes the communists were fascists. Fascism is more control over people lives. and restrictions of free speech and the press. In the Soviet union censorship was pervasive and strictly enforced.
just because you are a communist doesn't mean you're not fascists. It's actually quite the opposite. And I don't know if you've watched this video that you're commenting on but Dan Hannan describes the BNP as republicans.
@mikesheen741 1. Facism, noun; An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
2. Yes, Dan Hannan does describe the BNP as Far-left republicans, because Dan Hannan is an idiot.
3. Why have you just completely ignored my request? Because you can't just state your opinions as facts and not back them up (just like Dan Hannan does). Without substantiation opinions mean nothing.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Sorry but Dan Hannan is right in describing the BNP as Far-left republicans. Far-left in the sense the BNP are supporters of economic restrictions. Republicans in the sense the BNP favour Capital punishment, Against abortion except in specific issues, More centralised education system. And Dan Hannan is not an idiot and he does not just state opinions as facts without backing them up.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia 1) Well, the left and right question is very general and is hard to give an exact definition. What would you normally associate with the left? Usually positions such as Communism, Socialism while positions such as conservatism, Fascism is normally associated with the right with moderates in the between ie, the liberals. Many of these positions in practise however share very similarities with each other eg, Fascists and Socialists tend to favour Big governments.
Left-wing, noun; The radical, reforming, or socialist section of a political party or system.
Right-wing, noun; The conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system.
Now the BNP hate radical reforming, they like the country the way it is (except of course when it's being changed). Now i dont know about you, but that sounds conservative to me.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia 2) What does Capitalism have to do with republicanism? In terms of what is it about capital punishment that makes it associated with the Republican party, Not much really. In terms of it members ie, the Republicans. It is strongly supported, as it is in the British National Party
@Ionlyfearphobophobia I didn't say "Republicans in the sense the BNP favour Capital punishment". I said that "In terms of it members ie, the Republicans. It is strongly supported, as it is in the British National Party. This would make the connection between the 2 parties accurate as done by Daniel Hannan because It is something that is associated with both parties.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia 3) Taken from the Policies of the BNP's website under economics. "The nurturing and encouragement of new and existing British industries" "The protection of British companies from unfair foreign imports" " Increased taxes on companies which outsource work abroad" All of these being proof of BNP's favour for restriction.
@Malusregnum Yeah, that policy is called "protectionism". Now protectionism isn't socialist, what it is, is nationalistic.
Also, where's the policy for Republicanism? You wont find it, because the BNP believe in conservatism, as in "averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values".
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Protectionism and Socialism are in many ways the same thing. They both favour big government, they both favour economic restrictions rather than a free market or mixed market. I didn't have enough space to but this one but this is from the economic section of the BNP which states "The encouragement of savings, investment, worker share-ownership and profit-sharing" ie, commonly owned.
@Malusregnum The purpose of protectionism is to protect a countries economy from foreign imports, and not to publicly run the countries economy (even though that is a small side effect).
The purpose of socialism is to have a countries economy publicly run/owned, ie, government owned businesses payed with tax payers money, example; NHS, police, public schools.
Now if this is your argument that the BNP is far-left, take in to consideration the BNP want to cut tax and the public sector.
@mikesheen741 Because we don't like you far right ignorant ultranationalist racist backward crazy motherfuckers and not only that didn't a certain right wing republican conservative by the name of Margaret Thatcher fuck up Britain by closing down so many trade unions thus almost destroying the middle class! Unless you are so stupid that you don't know the difference between far right and left you should be tied to a chair and hit in the head so hard for your stupidity!!!
@Dinyang There's only two types of people that like Thatcher, rich cunts, and morons. Now since you dont take me for a rich or upper middle class arse hole, i will just assume the latter, In which case, debating with you would only waste precious seconds of thought. So, good bye, and have a nice day.
@samtemdo8 Ok, i agree that Margaret Thatcher is a cunt that fucked up Britain, but she wasn't right-wing. Im not saying she wasn't a Conservative(Big C=Conservative party), im saying she wasn't a conservative(small c=conservatism=right-wing).
The Conservative party haven't been conservative for, well, about 20 years before Thatcher. I mean, can you think of just ONE conservative policy Margaret Thatcher had? Because the ONLY one i can think of is defending the £, even tho she put us in the EU.
@Dinyang Those are just words, actions are what matter. Now, besides defending the £, can you name just one more conservative policy Margaret Thatcher had/did?
On a side note, just to see if i'm right, what class are you?
The problem Mr Hannan is - that soon 100 years there will be just about NO real Euro Brits left in there own nation - you will have murdered your own blood line for the sake of being the "good guy" - crazy...
@Dinyang Culture is from your RACE. What is British Identity? Would not not need to come from the British people? You speak a lot of PC Zionist train BS... sorry no takers here mate. Whites in the EU and the US will be in the deep monitory very fast. I am from Texas 20 years ago we had about 15% mex here - now they are about 55% in real terms and growing fast. White girls have 1-2 kids at most - mex girls have 4-5 kids. you do the math.
Culture does not come from your race. There is no culture gene. Culture is defined as the customs of living you are raised under.
The issue with multi**cultural**ism and free immagration is that most of the mexicans are neither culturally or racially American. In that regards we may agree that they are not American. Multi**racial**ism isn't inherently bad so long as the culture in intact.
In the USA in general whites will be under 50% by 2081 unless they leave/expulsion. lol
@Dinyang BNo matter how long mex live in Texas - they are never 100% TEXAS. They are very much there own group/race. There is much more to race then DNA. Culture from from your tribe - The Germanic sub-group race has not the same culture as the Slavic-sub group race/tribe - but they are both in the greater race of the white race. The UK will fail cuz its race has failed to keep it people. China is strong cuz they are one.
Culture is how you're raise. Culture has nothing to do with genes. Culture is your religion, language, ethics and philosophy. You can raise a black child white and an asian child black, racial behaviour may still show but their culture, their environmential identity, is learned. This is fact.
China is not homogenous the main group Han, is only 80%.
Also, you write like a spastic n***er if that word is more to your taste.
@Dinyang The word is NIGGER .... you know the thing that is ripping the UK apart. The thing that makes life in France a living hell - NIGGERS. Funny how when the UK, US, France and others were just about ALL white they ran the world - Now the UK is a 3rd world shit hole and a loser. France worse off. The USA well on the way to being a shit hole - why? Cuz whites left there Race and Culture rot to shit heads like you - how was that for a white nigger?
Some black people are alright and think British. Somalians, Nigerians, Jamaicans and the sort are not. IF THEY do become british the associate with the urban working class/welfare class. Jamaicans have a partically dangerous culture of violence, sexuality and drug use.
Black people do have genetic inclinations to being aggressive and a little dim witted but most of them aren't that different, a racial immagration policy would be racist.
@Dinyang Sorry pal, your wrong there. I mean what would happen if all the Chinese people in the world just disappeared? What would happen is the Chinese culture would die and be gone forever. There is a racial aspect to nationality and culture.
Not exactly. The non-chinese people who were born in china and lived there all their lives, knowing the language and customs may recreate the state, it is possible. Chances are it would be repopulated by foreginers. In reality no ethnic group has simply vanished. Some were depleted very fast to the point of extiction.
So long as their minds are like yours they're of the same culture. (intelligence and temperament however are often genetic in origin.)
@Dinyang "genetic in origin"... Origin, that's the point.
"The non-chinese people" Exactly, the non-chinese people would recolonize China. I mean, i might know perfect hindi and everything about India, that doesn't make me Indian. Just because you have a passport, or were born in a particular nation, doesn't mean you belong to that nation. Why? Because you are not a product of that nation, your a product of someone elses.
If you speak hindi ( or punjab, gujerati ect.), are hindu and raised by culturally indian people, have citizenship and were born there.
You are Indian.
Nationality law in defined by different terms. Jus Sanginis legistlation, right by blood nationality is rare. It's only done when a state wants to import it's dispora (Israel, South Sudan), or doesn't want any new people (China).
Right by soil, jus soli, is supported by most and is what D.Hannan is refering to.
Nationality Law is subjective and a matter of opinion.
Nationality in law, sociology and politics is one legally belonging to a nation. i.e. a british passport. In CONTEXT it's the first defintion. We have the words ethnicity and race exist for a reason.
Because this is about opinion I've trying to convince you why rash racism and blood citizenship are not ideal. Or alienating people you are culturally and mentally britsh because they are not of British blood.
@Dinyang Wo! I dont belive in racism, I just believe logic, nationality and that all people have the right to a homeland.
By your logic the Jews that were living in Europe for the past 2000 years were fully European. So just ask yourself, why did the Jews refuse to assimilate with blood? Because if they did, the culture of Judaism would have died.
Homelands come and go, your ancestors are probably European, why don't you go back to Europe?. On a national level one should keep race and nationality seperate. Knowledge people of other races to be of your nationality if they share your culture.
Protect your race however with all force, stay away from inter-marrage and interracial reproduction.
@Dinyang It's only racist if you consider your, or someother race superior to another. Also, i do not hate anyone because of their race.
"your ancestors are probably European, why don't you go back to Europe?" hur... i am.
Did you not read oxfords definition? Race and nationality are intertwined. People of other races can be your nationality, by being a civic national, providing their assimilating by culture and blood. However, the proplem being that too much immigration isn't assimilation.
@Dinyang Well what part? Because im not saying civic nationalism is equal to full nationalism. I mean, if someone who owns a building of flats dies, who inherits the building? All the people who live there, or the guys family?
@Dinyang Yeah, and theres a difference between citizenship and nationality.
The reason why nationalism is superior to civic nationalism is very simple, being that everyone has the right to a homeland. When EVERYONE has a home that they can call THEIR home, you keep the peace.
@Ionlyfearphobophobia at the moment, I can not find on the BNP website a quote where they support abortion but they have been campigning with the UK Life League and unless you have some evidence that completely disproves that the BNP is against abortion, Then that looks like the case
Racist isn't a pejorative it's a factual descriptor.
Your position is dependant on the idea that the race of a person regardless of their value or method of thought gives them citizenship; that IS racist.
Noun; A person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
Adjective; Having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.
1. Are you telling me this definition is wrong?
2. I do not believe any race is superior to another.
And 3. If there's 1 word that gets butchered more than any other, it's the word "racist". Yes, it is a factual descriptor, but it gets wrongly used every day as a pejorative, just as you have.
How is giving someone citizenship on the basis of colour not racist? In that context you MUST think they are racist because you're considering race a factor.
That definition is not the oxford dictionary entry.
Noun; The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
If your saying my definitions are wrong, then your saying the oxford dictionarys definitions are wrong. If you want i can give you a link.
I am not a racist, and i do not believe in racism.
@Dinyang Ur... No i dont. I dont believe that true British people are superior to foreigners, i just believe they have an almost unconditional right to live in Britain for the reason being that they are the nationality of Britain.
@Dinyang Your just proving my point, the word racist has got butchered more than any other. After WW2 because of what the nazis did, anyone on the left could just call anyone on the right a racist to unconditionally shut their argument down, unconditionally! As a result, the world we live in has a authoritarian bias towards the left.
In this day and age the word "racist" is just the swear word of the dictionary.
I'm using an academic definition. There a strict definitions of racist, prejudice and discrimination. You fail to understand the word. What makes racism racism is the emphasis on race and the fact that people like YOU consider race as a legitimate factor to discriminate when it comes to legislation. If you care about race so much as to treat people differently because of it, no matter how you articulate it, you are a racist in the honest use of the word.
@Dinyang Your using an academic definition? OMG, you my as well said your using a proactive definition. Or more accurately, a popular, opinionated, made up definition. If your saying my definition is wrong, then your saying the oxford dictionary is wrong. So, are you saying the oxford dictionary is wrong?
There are defintions for day to day use and definitions for education and debate.
A Dictionary of Sociology; A Concence Dictionary of Politics by Oxford Paperback Reference (whose parent organisation is Oxford University Press). I suggest you refer to these.
In any applied sense you are a racist. That simple.
@Dinyang Yeah, there are defintions for day to day use, and definitions for education and debate. The day to day one is called a made up opinionated definition. And the one for education and debate is called... the definition. Now correct me if im wrong, but this is a debate, isn't it?
There are definitions based on conexts. The context makes the definition. By all formal defintions and and in the common usage of learned people you are a racist. You have a prejudice based on race that you apply to your daily life and politics ("a civil nationality is not the equal of a racial one"). I'm sure if you actually look at the definition you'll see that you're clearly equivocating the word.
@Dinyang Do you even know what the hell your saying? Contexts can only be for events, statements, or ideas. "The context makes the definition" No it doesn't, the meaning of a definition makes the definition. My defintion comes from the oxford dictionary, yours comes from "common usage", or as i call it, made up opinionated definition. You see im not debating what the word "Racist" should mean, im debating what it does mean. Now until they officially change it to the---------------------
@Dinyang ---------------------made up opinionated definition, YOUR DEFINITION IS WRONG.
And just for the record, i dont believe in prejudice, and for you to say i do i find sick. You see i dont hate anyone because of their race, i like the fact the world is diverse, and that's one of the reasons why i hate multiculturalism, because multiculturalism is GENOCIDE.
You discriminate against those who are not British simply because they are not anglo-frisian geneticly, "white". You ignore individual qualities and heed race alone. That's what makes you racist. It doesn't matter how you care to define it you're a prejudiced person for holding that belief, the term doesn't matter.
Noun; Preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience: Dislike, hostility, or unjust behaviour deriving from preconceived and unfounded opinions.
All of my opinions are based on facts, logic and reason. If i was prejudice, i wouldn't be trying to have a logical debate, would i? I would just be calling you names, and telling you your wrong, without providing any facts as to why.
@Dinyang ------Your see i dont tell people their opinions are wrong, i will if their facts are, but not opinions.
What i like to do is debate opinion using facts, logic and reason, like what we're doing now. Well, when i say "we", i mean i. I'm trying to debate opinion using facts, logic and reason. All your doing is just telling me that your opinions are right, and constantly calling me the swear word of the dictionary in an attempt to silence me. Now that sounds like prejudice to me.
@Dinyang "Whenever you give one group exclusivity and special status you automatically give one group superiority and another inferiority" No it doesn't, superiority and inferiority are never the result of discrimination.
Listening to that made more sense than anything I've heard for a very long time.
We should NEVER mistake racism for patriotism. I am pleased that immigration has been capped, as it was getting out of hand, but the BNP are a bunch of fucking psychos.
Only someone as desperately foolish and ignorant as a Lolbertarian could confuse the BNP with being far-left. It's like these people have never read a history book in their entire life, or fundamentally failed to grasp the political compass first time round.
Hannan should stick to his usual wildly irrational schtick, ranting and raving against the EU because he's scared of Johnny Foreigner. Yawn.
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The BNP believes in a free, fully funded National Health Service for all British citizens
and the right to care and nurture for all sections of our national community.
The biggest problem facing the NHS today is underfunding, particularly for front line
staff.
Salaries paid for these essential services are too low and, as a result, skilled British
medical personnel are forced to seek employment elsewhere."
Iisdabest889 1 week ago
@Iisdabest889 Ok, if you're saying their far-right, maybe you should really read what someone says before replying to them. If you're saying their far-left, you can't just provide policies, you have to state why those policies are far-left.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 week ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia A far right group wouldn't be in favour of more funding to the NHS, or and increased inheritance tax, NOR would they be in favour of increasing engineering and science education through subsidies over demand. NOR would they oppose genetically modified produce, and last time I checked... it wasn't exactly the right that was screaming for corporations to pay their "fair share" (whatever that means).
If they aren't right wing, what else are they going to be?
Iisdabest889 1 week ago
@Iisdabest889 Are you saying their far-right or left?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 week ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia I'm not necessarily saying they're left, I'm just showing why they aren't right.
Iisdabest889 1 week ago
@Iisdabest889 How and because?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 week ago
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@Ionlyfearphobophobia Because a right wing group wouldn't be in favour of more funding to the NHS, or and increased inheritance tax, NOR would they be in favour of increasing engineering and science education through subsidies over demand. NOR would they oppose genetically modified produce, and last time I checked... it wasn't exactly the right that was screaming for corporations to pay their "fair share" (whatever that means).
Copy/paste
Iisdabest889 1 week ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia The Bnp support nationalisation of industries, which is pretty left wing economically. There is no doubt that they are far right social wise, but economically they do have left wing policies, it's why they are called Nazis (National socialists).
zaczoc 5 days ago
@zaczoc Their economic policies are only left-wing because their mildly socialist. However, they don't call for the industries of this country to be owned by the state, they just call for them to be owned by the British. Those are the only left-wing policies the BNP have, the rest (which is the vast majority) is far-right.
Oh, and just for the record, in order to be a Nazi, you need to believe in Nazism.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 5 days ago
BNP is by far the most courageous party in Britain.
biozamadotcom 2 weeks ago 4
conservative traitors,conservatives are left wings today,better sayed,there is no right and left wing today,it's an outdated concept,there are social democrats with or without christian moral values,nationalists,dying communists(from trotskists to stalinists),the rest is bullshit and insignificant ramifications.Conservatives and liberals today are the same thing,there is no diffrence,conservatives are a bunch of internationalist traitors as well,they couldn't care less for the destruction of UK.
hilletehnoob 1 month ago
@hilletehnoob When your talking about the Conservative party, use a capital "C". A conservative (lower case "c"), is someone that believes in conservatism.
What you mean by "conservative traitors", is "Conservative traitors", because the Conservative party haven't been conservative for about 60 years.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 month ago
why would anyone supports something that is so bad for our nations such as multiculturalism,islamization,destruction of our identities,economically and socially bad(they suck welfare,do lots of crimes,they suck 2 billion more than what they contribute,and not even adding they money they send abroad on the equation),this is suicide,anyone who agrees with multiculturalism is either severely stupid,brainwashed or uninformed about the consequences of what they are promoting,vote BNP bfr it's late.
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hilletehnoob 1 month ago
a civic rather than an ethnic concept of nation is the most bloody and deadly idea that has ever walked on earth,it simply doesn't work and creates ethnic conflicts soon or later such as in yugoslavia and soviet union,humans have a sense of belonging to their group,their similars,humans are connected to their ethnic similars,that idea will never work,it will create the most deadly ethnic conflicts europe has ever seen in less than 50 years with muslims,africans and others,it's a CATASTROPHY!
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communications.bnp.org.uk/ge2010manifesto.pdf - here's the BNP manifesto, absolutely chock-full of left-wing policies.
magpie1892 1 month ago
@magpie1892 Ah, i think i see the problem here.
What do you think left-wing is, and right for that matter?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 month ago
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@Ionlyfearphobophobia I think I see the problem also - I do your research for you and you respond to answers with more questions. There are 50+ policies on the BNP manifesto that you would associate with left-leaning politics, it's right in front of you...
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@magpie1892 Well you think the policies you have provided are left-wing, if i am to answer your question "How is it right wing?", i need to know what you think left, and right-wing is.
So... What do you think left, and right-wing is?
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BeeRsounds 1 month ago
bnp r far right
MrScottishJamie 1 month ago
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"The nurturing and encouragement of new and existing British industries" - subsidisation and other forms of protectionism; staunchly left wing
The BNP is a highly nationalist, but economically very leftist party. Something like maybe... nationalist socialists. Sound familiar? Yep, Hitler and Griffin are VERY similar. Both target the white working class for support, both build their party around ethnicity and crucially both are very Keynesian in their economic outlook.
jiytt 1 month ago
@jiytt How is protectionism left-wing?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 month ago 21
@Ionlyfearphobophobia How is it right wing?
magpie1892 1 month ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia A large state grip on the economy is very much left wing! The BNP has the most left wing economic policy of all the major parties.
organist12345 3 weeks ago
@organist12345 Protectionism is ther only one, can you name any others?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Protectionism is left-wing economic policy because it prevents free trade and the free movement of peoples based on market prices. Protectionists assume that the government can and should be the determiner prices and competition, a fundamentally left-wing concept.
BrutusHayek1776 3 weeks ago
@BrutusHayek1776 Yes, can you name any others?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia The BNP wants to encourage greater share-ownership and worker co-operatives, doubling the foreign aid budget for the resettlement of ethnic minorities outside of Britain, increasing the legal status of NHS workers, and increasing funding for the British welfare state for British workers.
BrutusHayek1776 3 weeks ago
@BrutusHayek1776 And how is that left-wing?
Also your wrong, one of the BNP's policies is to get rid of foreign aid all together.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Did you not read what I wrote? They want to use the foreign aid budget and double it to resettle ethnic minorities outside of Britain as a form of repatriation of people they don't like. You should understand why desiring to increase funding for the British welfare state is left-wing.
BrutusHayek1776 3 weeks ago
@BrutusHayek1776 1. Have you even read their policies.
2. Why dont you tell me why that is left-wing?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia 1. Yes. Both their older and newer platforms. 2. The left wing and other socialists generally believe that the state is the best or only institution that can redistribute income, provide services like health care and housing, and other government welfare. So they use progressive taxation to take money from productive people to give to other people for those reasons and to redistribute income along lines they think are fair. Fundamentally socialist.
BrutusHayek1776 3 weeks ago
@BrutusHayek1776 But that just go's hand in hand with protectionism, i mean just think how many of their policies are right-wing.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago 5
@Ionlyfearphobophobia So you admit that their economic, welfare, and wealth distribution policies are left-wing?
BrutusHayek1776 3 weeks ago
@BrutusHayek1776 Only because those policies are mildly socialist. However, that being said, socialism isn't a very good definition of left-wing because it's not about radicalism or reforming, it's about social organization, but it's still a definition of left-wing non the less.
Take into concideration the BNP have FAR MORE right-wing policies then left. And as i said, those left-wing ones are only left-wing because their mildly socialist.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago 3
@Ionlyfearphobophobia We have to disagree on that. Supporting fundamentally anti-capitalist and expanding pro wealth redistribution polices are economically of the left.
BrutusHayek1776 3 weeks ago
@BrutusHayek1776 How is it "anti-capitalist"? Because it's anti-anti-national?
I mean even if it was, it's even less then what were doing now, which is bailing out banks for their incompetence, and giving all of our money to other countries because their doing shit.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago 3
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Read my first comment again.
BrutusHayek1776 3 weeks ago
@BrutusHayek1776 Capitalism, Noun; An economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
Using protectionism to nationalize a country doesn't make it anti-capitalist, free trade isn't the only form of capitalism.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 weeks ago 5
lonlyfearphobophobia has some equivocating (non existent) dictionary.
Even when we use his own definition he will cry victim. Even in a country with such a strong liberal bias he thinks that the standard definition would be sympathetic to the BNP ideology – ‘we’re not racist, oxford dictionary said so’. His dictionary doesn’t exist so don’t stress, SuperGOPman .
N.B - Semantics isn't about "facts and opinions". This is because lexicon is relative; we use the common words, yours is marginal.
Dinyang 1 month ago
@Dinyang What, haven't you got anything to say?
"(non existent) dictionary"... Yep, the oxford dictionary sure is non-existent.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 month ago 19
Well said Hannan, BNP are left wing not right wing LOL
This lady proves BNP are socialist
watch?v=VsA_Xko4tqM
SuperGOPman 1 month ago
FAR-RIGHT NOT FAR LEFT, THEY WERE A SPLINTER GROUP FROM THE NATIONAL FRONT FOR FUCKS SAKE!! RIGHT WING TORY SCUMBAG..., the far left are groups such as the socialist workers party!!
TheRacketBoss 2 months ago
@TheRacketBoss Your a Marxist, what have you got against the Tories? Their just as left-wing as Labour.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago
@TheRacketBoss How is it right wing?
MrGilles1990 2 months ago
@MrGilles1990 Look up the definition of right-wing politics.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia I have and conservatism, capitalism, reactionary politics and monarchism do not apply to the BNP, but socialism and republicanism do.
MrGilles1990 2 months ago
@MrGilles1990 I hate people like you, opinionated idiots that don't get your facts straight.
1. Where are their policies for but socialism and republicanism?
2. Can you please tell me why conservatism, capitalism, reactionary politics and monarchism do not apply to the BNP... Using FACTS?
And 3. Can you please give me the definition of conservative and reactionary?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia 1. "It has called for British ownership of its own industries and resources and the subordination of the power of the City to the power of the government".
2.The BNP is not conservative because it is fascist, and therefore it believes in social engineering and the third position, which is not conservative, it seeks the destruction of the commonwealth which conservatives would not like.
MrGilles1990 2 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia To be in sole control of Britain the BNP would get rid of democracy and the monarchy which limits political power. We just have to look at Nazi Germany to see how the fascist tried to destroy the church and not restore the monarchy.
3. "Holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in politics or religion." the BNP would radically change this country. A reactionary is just a ultraconservative.
MrGilles1990 2 months ago
@MrGilles1990 Cool, so do you mind providing the policies on their website to back up your claims.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago
@MrGilles1990 Or to put it more clearly, could you please point to the exact BNP policy on thier website to provide some substantiation to your claims.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia 2. The BNP is corporatist it believes that business should benefit the "nation" it would collude with corporations for what it sees as in the national interest. Capitalism is a system where government and private sectors separate, the opposite of corporatism.
2. the BNP seek a federation of Britain and Ireland to do so we must be a republic, also the BNP has recently been found selling republican music.
MrGilles1990 2 months ago
@TheRacketBoss
I think you should look into the BNP's other positions, I believe you're ignorant of them. They are left 3 out of 4 times. The only "rightist" positions they have are euroscepticism and their perversion of conservative immigration policy.
Dinyang 2 months ago
Whenever you give one group exclusivity and special status you automatically give one group superiority and another inferiority. This is discrimination and that is an objective point. In cases people may argue that discrimination is just - for criminals, for the disabled, for the low income. All governments discriminate.
Discrimination on the basis of race alone is racism. Whenever you consider someone "special" because of race, ethnicity or whatever you choose to call it, you become racist.
Dinyang 2 months ago
Thank you Mr Hannan. You can hold conservative views about immigration and not be racist.
yesman2079 2 months ago
You are a racist. You fit your own fucking definition. What makes a civic national less than a british one? To you, race. Discrimination on the basis of race.
That what racism means.
Dinyang 2 months ago
@Dinyang It's not about colour, it's about ethnicity. I mean wants wrong with only wanting your people to immigrate to your country?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago
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Muslim gangs in the UK gang rape 11 year old white girls. You people keep closing your eyes google or youtube 'street grooming'
mesmerizeme 2 months ago
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the fact is that when it comes to politics there is not really one accurate spectrum on which to place each party or individual. There are many spectrum's for each area e.g economic policy, immigration policy, taxation, etc. what is clear is that in all areas the BNP are at the extreme ends whether it be left or right.
MrLaughinggrass 2 months ago
@MrLaughinggrass I say again, it never ceases to amaze me how stupid some people can be. The BNP are far-right, why? Because their extreme consevatives (not conservatives as in the "Conservative party"(because they haven't been true conservatives for about 50 years), conservatives as in believe in "conservatism").
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago 27
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@Ionlyfearphobophobia i am afraid your conservatism point is wrong. please go to wikipedia and look up conservatism. Then ask how i any way do the BNP wish to maintain the status Quo. Removing foreign nationals, anyone who wasn't born here, nationalising industry, protectionism As i stated in my earlier message its not so simple as that you can just place people or parties on a spectrum. On the economic spectrum BNP are Lefty on others they are righty
MrLaughinggrass 2 months ago
@MrLaughinggrass Tell me why im wrong? I mean you want me to tell you why removing foreign nationals is conservative? (note; the BNP's policy is to only remove foreign criminals). The clue is in the name, "foreign nationals", ever heard of a one called "multicultural separatists", or "authoritarian libertarians", or maybe just "black whites". Unless they are a full British national, they are not one of ours. Civic British nationals have the right to live here as long as they behave.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago 33
@Ionlyfearphobophobia it doesn't work,you are dilusional if you think that you can have a country full of ethnicities for long term,be they civic and decent or not,you are living in a socialist dream that will turn into a bloody nightmare for whole western world because of immigration,there are no countries with 2 or more ethnicities that cold hold themselfs for long,multiculturalism creates divisionisms,ethnic conflicts,discriminations,genocides,etc,read history,yugoslavia,soviets,ottomans,etc.
hilletehnoob 1 month ago
@hilletehnoob Did you even bother reading what i wrote? I am a BNP supporter.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 month ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia
Far right = limited govt
BNP = leftist big govt, Nationalization.
SuperGOPman 1 month ago
@SuperGOPman I've had to write this so many times it not even funny. Read A FUCKING DICTIONARY!
Oxford dictionary
Right wing; Noun; The conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system.
Left-wing; Noun; The radical, reforming, or socialist section of a political party or system.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 month ago 4
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Socialism itself in practice is govt takeover LOL as Lenin, Mao, Stalin, Pol-pot, and many others prove, So leftism is still big govt and the left have always advocated bigger govt even the moderate ones, so there is no contridiction between this fact and the dictionary
and yap thank you for proving BNP are socialist and therfore not conservative,..LOL.
SuperGOPman 1 month ago
@SuperGOPman (sigh)... Where is their policy for socialism? Go to the BNP website and point to the exact policy that is socialist.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 month ago 4
@Ionlyfearphobophobia The BNP doesn't call itself Right-wing, of course. It favours nationalisation, higher taxes, protectionism and (though it keeps quiet about this) republicanism. It markets itself as "the Labour Party your parents voted for". Its manifesto calls for "the selective exclusion of foreign-made goods from British markets and the reduction of foreign imports,"
SuperGOPman 1 month ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia and promises to "restore our economy and land to British ownership" and "to give workers a stake in the success and prosperity of the enterprises whose profits their labour creates by encouraging worker shareholder and co-operative schemes".
Yep, socialist alright. LOL
SuperGOPman 1 month ago
@SuperGOPman 1. They are very openly on the far-right.
2. Did you not understand? Point to the exact BNP policy that is socialist, all your doing is claiming what their policy is without provding any substantiation.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 month ago 7
@Ionlyfearphobophobia "They are very openly on the far-right"
Misnomer. They are only called Rightist only in the default sense of not being currently Leftist. They are a relic in the modern world of thinking that was once common on the Left but no longer is, therfore BNP are still leftist but old leftists.
"Point to the exact BNP policy that is socialist"
Already have XD
SuperGOPman 1 month ago
@SuperGOPman "Already have" No, i mean POINT, tell me what bit to look at so you can confirm what your stating. It's called proof.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 month ago 20
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@Ionlyfearphobophobia LOL You debate worse than Maoists XD
bnp. org. uk/ policies/ economics
Point to the exact BNP policy that is Right Wing XD
SuperGOPman 1 month ago
@SuperGOPman Well im sure i told you to point it out, but ok, one minute.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 month ago 22
@SuperGOPman "The nurturing and encouragement of new and existing British industries" "Ending the £9 billion foreign aid budget" "Ending the £4.5 billion a year wars in Iraq and Afghanistan" "Ending the untold billions spent subsidising the immigration swindle and all its ancillary costs (benefits, court and jail services, counter-terrorism measures, the “race relations” industry and a host of others)" "Ending the billions pumped into the EU swindle"
Ok, now your turn.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 month ago 28
@Ionlyfearphobophobia
"The BNP will forbid the development and importation of genetically modified produce."
"The BNP would support local economies by creating a national network of autonomous credit unions."
"The BNP will ensure that globalist corporations pay their fair share of the tax burden."
"The BNP will raise the inheritance tax level to £1 million."
"The BNP will oppose the privatisation of natural monopolies such as Royal Mail."
Dance, CLOWN. XD
Iisdabest889 1 week ago
@SuperGOPman I mean i'm looking really closely at their economic policies, and i can't see any of them that are left-wing. So can you please point one out to me?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 month ago 25
@Ionlyfearphobophobia humm probably i picked the wrong guy to awnser sorry
hilletehnoob 1 month ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Are you SURE you can't find any leftist BNP policies? I highly doubt you're even looking at them!
" The BNP will rebuild Britain’s skills base by offering generous subsidies to
students who study engineering and science and to institutions offering such
education"
"We will close down the legal loopholes which allow tax evasion through Transfer
Pricing and the outsourcing of jobs to foreign nations."
BNP ain't far "right", clown.
Iisdabest889 1 week ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Lol,what you're trying to prove is,because you are from the extreme left,then the wretched BNP cant be.lol reality fail.Take a look at any BNP supporters channel,you will see they are openly left wing economically.They adore collectivism although they dont call it that,probably cause it sounds too much like something you would vote for lol.Instead they call it "social justice" hehe.They also despise Israel and love Iran, just like you and all the other commie traitors. xD
CAMERONisaEUROPHILE 1 month ago
@CAMERONisaEUROPHILE Ok, i think someone has been having a little too much Christmas chocolate.
After the past two weeks i realized, that yeah, protectionism is left-wing. However, take into consideration that it's only left-wing because it's socialist, and that it's the BNP's ONLY, left-wing policy (except of course the other socialist policies that we already have, example; NHS, Police, etc).
Except from what i've named, can you name any other BNP left-wing policy?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 month ago
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@Ionlyfearphobophobia Read the BNP manifesto, it's online, and chock-full of left-wing ideas.
magpie1892 1 month ago
@magpie1892 Really? Could you name some?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 month ago
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@Ionlyfearphobophobia Here's 5 from the first 5 pages of a 94-PAGE manifesto on their website: The BNP will: end the involvement of British troops in Afghanistan war; will not allow British forces to become involved in a war against Iran; will renegotiate our presence in NATO; demand an end to the destruction of Britain’s green belt; will launch a “polluter pays” policy in the fight against environmental damage.
Screeds more left-wing stuff there, have a look for yourself.
magpie1892 1 month ago
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@Ionlyfearphobophobia In total, I am seeing 40-50 manifesto promises that would position the BNP to the far left.
magpie1892 1 month ago
BNP? Far Left? wtf
Krackells 2 months ago
far-right, not left. Idiots
Bangandurded 2 months ago
It's good that someone has finally pointed out that the BNP are far-left and not far-right.
mikesheen741 3 months ago
@mikesheen741 Wow, it never ceases to amaze me how stupid some people can be, like you. Come on then, lets hear your argument.
Oh, and on your channel you said "denying other people the right to free speech is fascism”, only if your on the right. What "denying free speech" is, is authoritarianism. The UAF are not facists because their not on the right, what they are, are liberal authoritarians.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia No. Denying others the right to free speech is fascism, regardless of what your other political principles are. The UAF are fascists and hypocrites. The BNP are also fascists. They are also both left-wing. That doesn't mean you can't be right-wing and fascist though.
mikesheen741 3 months ago
@mikesheen741 So the Communists were facists then?
Also, tell me why the BNP are facists?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Yes, the communists were fascists. The BNP are also fascists because they persecute people based on ethnicity and want to remove them from the country. They want the government to control our lives, they want to abolish some legal systems such as the independent police complaints commission. They want to make the police less accountable by law. They want to abolish human rights acts. They want only white people to have the vote. and they want corporal punnishment.
mikesheen741 3 months ago
@mikesheen741 The Communists were fascists... HAHAHAHA, oh, thats funny.
Can you please provide the BNPs policies to back this up? I mean the only things you've got right here is the, abolishment of the human rights acts, and to make the police less accountable by law. These policies are needed to kill political correctness.
So i say again, CAN YOU PLEASE PROVIDE THE BNPS POLICIES TO BACK THIS UP? Except of course the two you got right.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Yes the communists were fascists. Fascism is more control over people lives. and restrictions of free speech and the press. In the Soviet union censorship was pervasive and strictly enforced.
just because you are a communist doesn't mean you're not fascists. It's actually quite the opposite. And I don't know if you've watched this video that you're commenting on but Dan Hannan describes the BNP as republicans.
mikesheen741 3 months ago
@mikesheen741 1. Facism, noun; An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
2. Yes, Dan Hannan does describe the BNP as Far-left republicans, because Dan Hannan is an idiot.
3. Why have you just completely ignored my request? Because you can't just state your opinions as facts and not back them up (just like Dan Hannan does). Without substantiation opinions mean nothing.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Sorry but Dan Hannan is right in describing the BNP as Far-left republicans. Far-left in the sense the BNP are supporters of economic restrictions. Republicans in the sense the BNP favour Capital punishment, Against abortion except in specific issues, More centralised education system. And Dan Hannan is not an idiot and he does not just state opinions as facts without backing them up.
Malusregnum 2 months ago
@Malusregnum I really dont know where to start here.
1. Can you please give me your definition of left and right-wing politics?
2. What does capital punishment have to do with republicanism?
And 3. (except for capital punishment, which is one of their policies) Can you please provide the BNPs policies to back up your claims?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia 1) Well, the left and right question is very general and is hard to give an exact definition. What would you normally associate with the left? Usually positions such as Communism, Socialism while positions such as conservatism, Fascism is normally associated with the right with moderates in the between ie, the liberals. Many of these positions in practise however share very similarities with each other eg, Fascists and Socialists tend to favour Big governments.
Malusregnum 2 months ago
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@Malusregnum No it isn't.
From the oxford dictionary
Left-wing, noun; The radical, reforming, or socialist section of a political party or system.
Right-wing, noun; The conservative or reactionary section of a political party or system.
Now the BNP hate radical reforming, they like the country the way it is (except of course when it's being changed). Now i dont know about you, but that sounds conservative to me.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia 2) What does Capitalism have to do with republicanism? In terms of what is it about capital punishment that makes it associated with the Republican party, Not much really. In terms of it members ie, the Republicans. It is strongly supported, as it is in the British National Party
Malusregnum 2 months ago
@Malusregnum Thats not really much of an answer. "Republicans in the sense the BNP favour Capital punishment" Now what does this mean?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia I didn't say "Republicans in the sense the BNP favour Capital punishment". I said that "In terms of it members ie, the Republicans. It is strongly supported, as it is in the British National Party. This would make the connection between the 2 parties accurate as done by Daniel Hannan because It is something that is associated with both parties.
Malusregnum 2 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia 3) Taken from the Policies of the BNP's website under economics. "The nurturing and encouragement of new and existing British industries" "The protection of British companies from unfair foreign imports" " Increased taxes on companies which outsource work abroad" All of these being proof of BNP's favour for restriction.
Malusregnum 2 months ago
@Malusregnum Yeah, that policy is called "protectionism". Now protectionism isn't socialist, what it is, is nationalistic.
Also, where's the policy for Republicanism? You wont find it, because the BNP believe in conservatism, as in "averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values".
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia Protectionism and Socialism are in many ways the same thing. They both favour big government, they both favour economic restrictions rather than a free market or mixed market. I didn't have enough space to but this one but this is from the economic section of the BNP which states "The encouragement of savings, investment, worker share-ownership and profit-sharing" ie, commonly owned.
Malusregnum 2 months ago
@Malusregnum The purpose of protectionism is to protect a countries economy from foreign imports, and not to publicly run the countries economy (even though that is a small side effect).
The purpose of socialism is to have a countries economy publicly run/owned, ie, government owned businesses payed with tax payers money, example; NHS, police, public schools.
Now if this is your argument that the BNP is far-left, take in to consideration the BNP want to cut tax and the public sector.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago
@mikesheen741 Because we don't like you far right ignorant ultranationalist racist backward crazy motherfuckers and not only that didn't a certain right wing republican conservative by the name of Margaret Thatcher fuck up Britain by closing down so many trade unions thus almost destroying the middle class! Unless you are so stupid that you don't know the difference between far right and left you should be tied to a chair and hit in the head so hard for your stupidity!!!
samtemdo8 3 months ago
@samtemdo8
Lol, Daniel Hannan isn't BNP.
Those Trade Unions were dangerous and needed to go. Trade Unionists aren't middle class, they're working class uneducated vocational workers.
Margaret Thatcher's take on libertarian philosophy is world renown and respected for its success; only midland chavs like you can complain.
Dinyang 3 months ago
@Dinyang There's only two types of people that like Thatcher, rich cunts, and morons. Now since you dont take me for a rich or upper middle class arse hole, i will just assume the latter, In which case, debating with you would only waste precious seconds of thought. So, good bye, and have a nice day.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 months ago
@samtemdo8 Ok, i agree that Margaret Thatcher is a cunt that fucked up Britain, but she wasn't right-wing. Im not saying she wasn't a Conservative(Big C=Conservative party), im saying she wasn't a conservative(small c=conservatism=right-wing).
The Conservative party haven't been conservative for, well, about 20 years before Thatcher. I mean, can you think of just ONE conservative policy Margaret Thatcher had? Because the ONLY one i can think of is defending the £, even tho she put us in the EU.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia
Hayekean Economics
Privatisation
Libertarianism
National Soverenity
Empire and Commonwealth
are all CORE conservative positions. You're not conservative without them.
Dinyang 3 months ago
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@Dinyang Those are just words, actions are what matter. Now, besides defending the £, can you name just one more conservative policy Margaret Thatcher had/did?
On a side note, just to see if i'm right, what class are you?
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Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 months ago
How could 111 people disagree with this.
mikesheen741 3 months ago
The problem Mr Hannan is - that soon 100 years there will be just about NO real Euro Brits left in there own nation - you will have murdered your own blood line for the sake of being the "good guy" - crazy...
GlenRoSSe69 3 months ago
@GlenRoSSe69
Hannan doesn't pledge allegiance to the white-european British jus sanguinis identity. You are British by culture not blood.
So long as those that be retain the British identity and the core British values they will be British in the right sense for the word.
Also, 100 years is an exaggeration. At the current rate white America will hit under 10% by about 2240, the UK has much longer than that.
Dinyang 3 months ago
@Dinyang Culture is from your RACE. What is British Identity? Would not not need to come from the British people? You speak a lot of PC Zionist train BS... sorry no takers here mate. Whites in the EU and the US will be in the deep monitory very fast. I am from Texas 20 years ago we had about 15% mex here - now they are about 55% in real terms and growing fast. White girls have 1-2 kids at most - mex girls have 4-5 kids. you do the math.
GlenRoSSe69 3 months ago
@GlenRoSSe69
Culture does not come from your race. There is no culture gene. Culture is defined as the customs of living you are raised under.
The issue with multi**cultural**ism and free immagration is that most of the mexicans are neither culturally or racially American. In that regards we may agree that they are not American. Multi**racial**ism isn't inherently bad so long as the culture in intact.
In the USA in general whites will be under 50% by 2081 unless they leave/expulsion. lol
Dinyang 3 months ago
@Dinyang BNo matter how long mex live in Texas - they are never 100% TEXAS. They are very much there own group/race. There is much more to race then DNA. Culture from from your tribe - The Germanic sub-group race has not the same culture as the Slavic-sub group race/tribe - but they are both in the greater race of the white race. The UK will fail cuz its race has failed to keep it people. China is strong cuz they are one.
GlenRoSSe69 3 months ago
@GlenRoSSe69
Culture is how you're raise. Culture has nothing to do with genes. Culture is your religion, language, ethics and philosophy. You can raise a black child white and an asian child black, racial behaviour may still show but their culture, their environmential identity, is learned. This is fact.
China is not homogenous the main group Han, is only 80%.
Also, you write like a spastic n***er if that word is more to your taste.
Dinyang 3 months ago
@Dinyang The word is NIGGER .... you know the thing that is ripping the UK apart. The thing that makes life in France a living hell - NIGGERS. Funny how when the UK, US, France and others were just about ALL white they ran the world - Now the UK is a 3rd world shit hole and a loser. France worse off. The USA well on the way to being a shit hole - why? Cuz whites left there Race and Culture rot to shit heads like you - how was that for a white nigger?
GlenRoSSe69 3 months ago
@GlenRoSSe69
They're not culturally british.
Some black people are alright and think British. Somalians, Nigerians, Jamaicans and the sort are not. IF THEY do become british the associate with the urban working class/welfare class. Jamaicans have a partically dangerous culture of violence, sexuality and drug use.
Black people do have genetic inclinations to being aggressive and a little dim witted but most of them aren't that different, a racial immagration policy would be racist.
Dinyang 3 months ago
@Dinyang Sorry pal, your wrong there. I mean what would happen if all the Chinese people in the world just disappeared? What would happen is the Chinese culture would die and be gone forever. There is a racial aspect to nationality and culture.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia
Not exactly. The non-chinese people who were born in china and lived there all their lives, knowing the language and customs may recreate the state, it is possible. Chances are it would be repopulated by foreginers. In reality no ethnic group has simply vanished. Some were depleted very fast to the point of extiction.
So long as their minds are like yours they're of the same culture. (intelligence and temperament however are often genetic in origin.)
Dinyang 3 months ago
@Dinyang "genetic in origin"... Origin, that's the point.
"The non-chinese people" Exactly, the non-chinese people would recolonize China. I mean, i might know perfect hindi and everything about India, that doesn't make me Indian. Just because you have a passport, or were born in a particular nation, doesn't mean you belong to that nation. Why? Because you are not a product of that nation, your a product of someone elses.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia
If you speak hindi ( or punjab, gujerati ect.), are hindu and raised by culturally indian people, have citizenship and were born there.
You are Indian.
Nationality law in defined by different terms. Jus Sanginis legistlation, right by blood nationality is rare. It's only done when a state wants to import it's dispora (Israel, South Sudan), or doesn't want any new people (China).
Right by soil, jus soli, is supported by most and is what D.Hannan is refering to.
Dinyang 3 months ago
@Dinyang Ok, i've got nothing better to do.
"Nationality law" Wow, that's a good argument. How about... Nationality, DEFINITION.
Oxford dictionary.
Nationality, noun;
1 The status of belonging to a particular nation.
2 An ethnic group forming a part of one or more political nations.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia
Nationality Law is subjective and a matter of opinion.
Nationality in law, sociology and politics is one legally belonging to a nation. i.e. a british passport. In CONTEXT it's the first defintion. We have the words ethnicity and race exist for a reason.
Because this is about opinion I've trying to convince you why rash racism and blood citizenship are not ideal. Or alienating people you are culturally and mentally britsh because they are not of British blood.
Dinyang 3 months ago
@Dinyang Wo! I dont belive in racism, I just believe logic, nationality and that all people have the right to a homeland.
By your logic the Jews that were living in Europe for the past 2000 years were fully European. So just ask yourself, why did the Jews refuse to assimilate with blood? Because if they did, the culture of Judaism would have died.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia
If you're baseing it on race that is racist.
Homelands come and go, your ancestors are probably European, why don't you go back to Europe?. On a national level one should keep race and nationality seperate. Knowledge people of other races to be of your nationality if they share your culture.
Protect your race however with all force, stay away from inter-marrage and interracial reproduction.
Dinyang 3 months ago
@Dinyang It's only racist if you consider your, or someother race superior to another. Also, i do not hate anyone because of their race.
"your ancestors are probably European, why don't you go back to Europe?" hur... i am.
Did you not read oxfords definition? Race and nationality are intertwined. People of other races can be your nationality, by being a civic national, providing their assimilating by culture and blood. However, the proplem being that too much immigration isn't assimilation.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia
Then we agree.
Dinyang 3 months ago
@Dinyang Well what part? Because im not saying civic nationalism is equal to full nationalism. I mean, if someone who owns a building of flats dies, who inherits the building? All the people who live there, or the guys family?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia
There's a difference between passport citizenship and civic citizenship.
Why is "full nationalism" superior? Being of a British race gives you priority regardless of culture?
Dinyang 3 months ago
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@Dinyang Yeah, and theres a difference between citizenship and nationality.
The reason why nationalism is superior to civic nationalism is very simple, being that everyone has the right to a homeland. When EVERYONE has a home that they can call THEIR home, you keep the peace.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia at the moment, I can not find on the BNP website a quote where they support abortion but they have been campigning with the UK Life League and unless you have some evidence that completely disproves that the BNP is against abortion, Then that looks like the case
Malusregnum 2 months ago
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@Ionlyfearphobophobia
Then you're a moderate racist. That simple.
Property rights are complicated don't use such analogies in future.
Dinyang 2 months ago
@Dinyang Well you sure took your time to reply.
"Then you're a moderate racist" Um... why? Because now your not making an argument, your just calling names.
Oh, and what is wrong with my analogy? It represents ownership of a home.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago 3
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@Ionlyfearphobophobia
Racist isn't a pejorative it's a factual descriptor.
Your position is dependant on the idea that the race of a person regardless of their value or method of thought gives them citizenship; that IS racist.
Dinyang 2 months ago
@Dinyang Oxford dictionary
Racist
Noun; A person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.
Adjective; Having or showing the belief that a particular race is superior to another.
1. Are you telling me this definition is wrong?
2. I do not believe any race is superior to another.
And 3. If there's 1 word that gets butchered more than any other, it's the word "racist". Yes, it is a factual descriptor, but it gets wrongly used every day as a pejorative, just as you have.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago 5
@Ionlyfearphobophobia
Racism is discrimination on the basis of race.
How is giving someone citizenship on the basis of colour not racist? In that context you MUST think they are racist because you're considering race a factor.
That definition is not the oxford dictionary entry.
Dinyang 2 months ago
@Dinyang Oxford dictionary
Racism
Noun; The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
If your saying my definitions are wrong, then your saying the oxford dictionarys definitions are wrong. If you want i can give you a link.
I am not a racist, and i do not believe in racism.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago
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@Ionlyfearphobophobia
You are because you think racially British people are superior to foreign nationals. That's your subtle racism.
Dinyang 2 months ago
@Dinyang Ur... No i dont. I dont believe that true British people are superior to foreigners, i just believe they have an almost unconditional right to live in Britain for the reason being that they are the nationality of Britain.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago
@Dinyang Your just proving my point, the word racist has got butchered more than any other. After WW2 because of what the nazis did, anyone on the left could just call anyone on the right a racist to unconditionally shut their argument down, unconditionally! As a result, the world we live in has a authoritarian bias towards the left.
In this day and age the word "racist" is just the swear word of the dictionary.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia
I'm using an academic definition. There a strict definitions of racist, prejudice and discrimination. You fail to understand the word. What makes racism racism is the emphasis on race and the fact that people like YOU consider race as a legitimate factor to discriminate when it comes to legislation. If you care about race so much as to treat people differently because of it, no matter how you articulate it, you are a racist in the honest use of the word.
Dinyang 2 months ago
@Dinyang Your using an academic definition? OMG, you my as well said your using a proactive definition. Or more accurately, a popular, opinionated, made up definition. If your saying my definition is wrong, then your saying the oxford dictionary is wrong. So, are you saying the oxford dictionary is wrong?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia
There are defintions for day to day use and definitions for education and debate.
A Dictionary of Sociology; A Concence Dictionary of Politics by Oxford Paperback Reference (whose parent organisation is Oxford University Press). I suggest you refer to these.
In any applied sense you are a racist. That simple.
Dinyang 2 months ago
@Dinyang Yeah, there are defintions for day to day use, and definitions for education and debate. The day to day one is called a made up opinionated definition. And the one for education and debate is called... the definition. Now correct me if im wrong, but this is a debate, isn't it?
Ionlyfearphobophobia 2 months ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia
There are definitions based on conexts. The context makes the definition. By all formal defintions and and in the common usage of learned people you are a racist. You have a prejudice based on race that you apply to your daily life and politics ("a civil nationality is not the equal of a racial one"). I'm sure if you actually look at the definition you'll see that you're clearly equivocating the word.
Dinyang 1 month ago
@Dinyang Do you even know what the hell your saying? Contexts can only be for events, statements, or ideas. "The context makes the definition" No it doesn't, the meaning of a definition makes the definition. My defintion comes from the oxford dictionary, yours comes from "common usage", or as i call it, made up opinionated definition. You see im not debating what the word "Racist" should mean, im debating what it does mean. Now until they officially change it to the---------------------
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 month ago
@Dinyang ---------------------made up opinionated definition, YOUR DEFINITION IS WRONG.
And just for the record, i dont believe in prejudice, and for you to say i do i find sick. You see i dont hate anyone because of their race, i like the fact the world is diverse, and that's one of the reasons why i hate multiculturalism, because multiculturalism is GENOCIDE.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 month ago
@Ionlyfearphobophobia
wiktionary
merriam webster
the free dictionary
-- Prejudice or discrimination based upon race.
You discriminate against those who are not British simply because they are not anglo-frisian geneticly, "white". You ignore individual qualities and heed race alone. That's what makes you racist. It doesn't matter how you care to define it you're a prejudiced person for holding that belief, the term doesn't matter.
Dinyang 1 month ago
@Dinyang Wiktionary? Dont make me laugh.
Oxford dictionary
Prejudice;
Noun; Preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience: Dislike, hostility, or unjust behaviour deriving from preconceived and unfounded opinions.
All of my opinions are based on facts, logic and reason. If i was prejudice, i wouldn't be trying to have a logical debate, would i? I would just be calling you names, and telling you your wrong, without providing any facts as to why.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 month ago 3
@Dinyang ------Your see i dont tell people their opinions are wrong, i will if their facts are, but not opinions.
What i like to do is debate opinion using facts, logic and reason, like what we're doing now. Well, when i say "we", i mean i. I'm trying to debate opinion using facts, logic and reason. All your doing is just telling me that your opinions are right, and constantly calling me the swear word of the dictionary in an attempt to silence me. Now that sounds like prejudice to me.
Ionlyfearphobophobia 1 month ago 4
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@Dinyang "Whenever you give one group exclusivity and special status you automatically give one group superiority and another inferiority" No it doesn't, superiority and inferiority are never the result of discrimination.
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Ionlyfearphobophobia 3 months ago
Listening to that made more sense than anything I've heard for a very long time.
We should NEVER mistake racism for patriotism. I am pleased that immigration has been capped, as it was getting out of hand, but the BNP are a bunch of fucking psychos.
dezboss 3 months ago
And a party that denies that patriotism? He is lying his face off, the BNP want to give the ghurka's more rights and ability to live in this country.
TheAnimatorEqualizer 3 months ago
anti-British lol hes pulling my leg
bentstman 3 months ago
Only someone as desperately foolish and ignorant as a Lolbertarian could confuse the BNP with being far-left. It's like these people have never read a history book in their entire life, or fundamentally failed to grasp the political compass first time round.
Hannan should stick to his usual wildly irrational schtick, ranting and raving against the EU because he's scared of Johnny Foreigner. Yawn.
ContemptForYou 3 months ago