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  • where should the iso's be?

  • Love it...thanks a lot..I was confused with all the noise after capturing night pics...but now I've learned ... :)

  • You are a true professional I purchased the Canon EOS 550D frustration was getting the best of me I almost taught the camera to swim, it was truly beyond my level, only using a point and shoot prior, I have made many notes from your videos and hope to put them into practice, hopefully I can tonight weather permitting, again many many thanks for the simplicity of your videos, hence normal ppl can understand without a dergree

  • @paddlepopkids thankyou! I hope you find them useful in practice - please do visit dslrtips . com for all my tips and guides!

  • Hi , do you have a tips for fireworks as we have australia day this thursday and they do a large show would love to get some shots, greatly appreciate your help

  • I use an old TLR camera and have a vintage light meter. How reliable are light meters at night?

  • Its great! And yes I have bookmarked your website! Cheers.. :)

  • his voice reminds me of the gecko from geico

  • @rabbitluver Ooh, an English Muffin - laverlee!

  • Amazing tutorial! Thank you for the great tips!!! -BOWDOWN90DEGREES-

  • @ CAMERALABS... SIR , THANKS FOR SUCH A NICE LESSONS. IT HELPS ME A LOT. MAY I KNOW YOU E MAIL I.D AS I AM HAVING NIKON D 7000 WITH NIKKOR 18-200 LENSE. I HAVE BOUGHT THIS CAMERA AS MY HOBBY. PLEASE LET ME KNOW YOUR E MAIL SO THAT I CAN CLEAR SOME DOUBTS IN MY MIND FOR BETTER PHOTO GRAPHY. AS I AM BEGGINER FOR PHOTOGRAPHY. REGARDS & THANKS MY SELF - ABHISHEK FROM INDIA.  ( e mail i.d - arvindmusical1965@yahoo.com ) SAME FOR FACEBOOK ALSO. SIR.

  • @arvindmusical1965 Hi Abishek, please visit my tutorial site dslrtips . com and feel free to ask any questions on the cameralabs . com forum - but make sure your CAPS LOCK key is off first as it's like shouting when you type!

  • one of the best informative video on youtube...very useful...you rock. thanks

  • personally I like his voice

  • Thank you for your professionalism. I really like your lessons.

  • @MrGarnet66 You're welcome! DOn't forget to visit dslrtips . com for more information!

  • @cameralabs hey, im kinda confused abit .. err, you know when you put the exposure low as in 1.8 ... then why must put a timing ? or sometimes why must the timing ? :O "sorry for my english, hope you understood"

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  • i like his accent hahaha

  • @ohthatscassie Thanks! Er, presuming you're not taking the piss that is!

  • I like your teeth

  • this camera beast!! i use most for time-lapse photography. i just need to trigger it with this little remote: TEMPUS. works with MEX 5, 5N and 7. website at: tempus.bymac.org

  • I've always wondered, is a tripod essential for taking night photos ? :O im new 

  • @nightubble You'll need somewhere steady to balance your camera to avoid shake in long exposures. A tripod is designed to do that, but you could equally balance your camera on a wall or post or even on top of a coat or bag. That's what I do.

  • @nightubble go to ebay and get yourself a tripd for night photography. It makes a huge difference. but as nightubble was saying you could use pretty much any surface to balance your camera but with a tripod you can pretty much take a picture wherever you want.

  • wait a minute... aren't you that guy from SMBC theater?

  • a very big Thank YOU for you :))

  • tomorrow morning I'm going to the top of a great hill, here in Victoria, B.C., just before sunrise (golden hour) and going to attempt to capture a gorgeous sunrise. Than, at night, just before sunset, I will go to another hill, mount tolmie, to be exact, and expose for a fantastic sunset. I just had to share this 'cause it gets me very excited and makes me happy! :)

  • owww I thought I had to use a small aperture number (ex f 12) but I guess that's only for landscape photos... Ok so tripod, low ISO, wide aperture, then play with shutter speed!

  • Thanks for the effort put into these tips @cameralabs ! I'm wishing to get into photography a little and think I will start with a compact digital that gives me a certain degree of control. (recommendations welcome)

    Just briefly (open to anyone who can advise), what would have been the difference above in just using a higher ISO? Am correct in thinking the higher the ISO the quicker the shutter speed can be? Thus if you were shooting moving objects at night would you go high ISO fast s.s?

  • @strawbongwae Yes, doubling the ISO will let you use a shutter speed twice as fast, so if you keep increasing it, you might reach a shutter speed that's fast enough to handhold. But if the conditions are still too dark, you may not, especially if you have also chosen a bigger f-number to increase the depth-of-field. Also, with every doubling of the ISO, your image quality will get worse, especially with a compact, so I'd always recommend choosing a low ISO. PS - try the Canon S95 or S100

  • @cameralabs Yes yes, that all makes sense - thanks for the explanation.

    Canon S95 you say? I had looked at that and contemplated it may be a little more than I was hoping to spend initially. I do like the look of the Lumix TZ18, I read through your review earlier today, seems like it would have everything I was looking for as a beginner.

    Anyway, thanks for the reply! Sure I will be tuning in to more of your videos in the future.

  • @strawbongwae You're welcome! The TZ18 / ZS8 is also a great choice. As for my reviews, it sounds like you've already found them, but everything I do is published at cameralabs . com - only a few things make it onto Youtube here...

  • @strawbongwae Maybe go for a bridge instead of a compact?

  • why is your iso so low?

  • t would be great if you give some tips about time lapse!!

    Thank you!!

  • You guys are the best! I just bought a new Canon T1i and have been watching your videos to get started. Thanks again!

  • @thenextone24 Hey, you're very welcome! Don't forget to visit dslrtips . com!

  • @thenextone24

    Me too... I even bought the same camera!!!

  • @woydzeck Awesome! I hope you're loving it as much as I am.. It's a great DSLR.

  • this is bullshit.. why say REMEMBER to put your camera back in Programme mode. work in Manual mode or get a new hobby

  • @andykbh That's the spirit Andy, and while we're at it, nobody drive a car until you know how to take one apart and put it back together, and don't attempt to kick a ball around unless you're in your country's team. You know photography is about taking photos and capturing moments. Learning manual is just a technical skill. Anyway, these tips are for beginners, not experts like you.

  • @andykbh That got to me too! once you go manual, you don't go back to program mode, ever!

  • cheers mate 

  • Hello, I'm Gavin Howie.

  • Thanks for the hint to switch off the stabilizer. And I always thought those little blurs came from some kind of vibrations...

    I think what wasn't mentioned in the video but is still very helpful is the option to lock up the mirror, which also helps reducing camera shake when used together with timed release.

  • Great video. I just missed a amazing sunset because I didn't know how to do this. I keep setting the shutter longer but didn't know that I had to change the aperture as well. Thanks.

  • first photo looked better :/

  • @fmgaluda It's not really about this pictures in this video. He was explaining how to do something.

  • Hey there, how can I get a clear image when shooting long exposure with manual mode? I always get blurriness when shooting long exposure with my D3100 :(

  • If I bring my ISO all the way up, say 6400, would I still need to open aperture and slow shutter, or just bump up the ISO. Thanks, and I really love the videos, they help me so much!

  • @TheSIHProductions Boosting your ISO will certainly let you use faster shutter speeds, but they still may not be fast enough to handhold - depends on the brightness of the scene - and higher ISs will also have worse quality. I prefer to keep my ISO low for the best quality and just find somewhere to balance my camera if I don't have a tripod or gorillapod with me.

  • @cameralabs Wow. That was an amazingly fast response. Thanks for the tip, I really appreciate it!

  • woah, you canon lover! Why would you use that?

  • @tordern22 Are you referring to me using a Canon DSLR in the demo? I'm completely unbiased - I use Canon DSLRs in my demos becuase they are the best-selling models and therefore the ones most of the viewers of these tutorials will own. The theories and settings still work on any brand though.

  • @cameralabs Fair enough, I still believe the Nikons are best for stills.

  • @cameralabs In your situation I would agree. From sales figures, Canon is extremely popular in Europe and judging by your accent Europe is your intended audience. Most other countries favor Nikon. In the end Canon having massive support in Europe is offset by Canon being the minority in most other countries so they are neck & neck globally. Sony though is cutting into the sales of both with their mirrorless camera, it is very popular.

  • @Clydesdale2045 I agree brands vary in different regions, but a great indicator is to look at the best sellers lists of major retailers like amazon - there you'll find Canon and Nikon well-represented, although right now, the Nikon D3100 is the best selling DSLR... As for me, I am British, but I publish these tips and my websites for a global audience! They're not just for Europeans! If I do any more, I would try and include demos from both major brands.

  • @cameralabs I don't understand :( If you make your aperture big to let in more light, won't the depth of field decrease and your image be only focused on only a small plane? Leaving the majority of the image blurry?

  • @emilang Yes you're absolutely right, but in this example I was trying to get as much light in as possible. if you close the aperture for a larger depth of field, say, to f8, then you'd need a correspondingly longer shutter speed to compensate. In this example that would have been beyond 30 seconds and therefore require a cable release. That is possible, or if the subject is brighter, you may still come in under 30 secs, but I wanted to keep it simple and accessory-free!

  • @cameralabs Thanks for the quick reply! But you dropped your aperture down to f/3.5 yet your whole photo seemed to be all in focus :S

    Also, how would I take a photo of a light/bulb in a normally lit room at night? I just got my first dslr today and it seems that no matter how much I adjust the aperture/shutter speed/iso, I can't get a clear image of the lightbulb as well as the surroundings. The background/surroundings just go black :( Is it just impossible to do it? Or am I doin' it wrong?

  • @emilang It certainly requires a lot of trial and error to get it right! As for the aperture on my shot, a small f-number doesn't necessarily mean you'll have a tiny depth-of-field. My example was taken with the lens zoomed-out (where you get more in focus) and the subjects were also at least a few feet away, again meaning more would be in focus. So in this example with this subject and this lens, i managed to get all of it sharp even at f3.5.

  • @emilang of course, go lower with your aperture opening, f16-f22. I would like to see this guy taking a shot at f/1.4 and keeping everything in focus...

  • I got my first cool night shot, its on a sandy beach at night, moon, starts, camp fire, my boat in the water with it green under water lights. I was so excited to post it on face book! the colors are amazing!!

  • when you put your setting into auto mode doesn't mean you are useless or what,we just want to have a good photo on a good opportunity..be safe than suffering with a bad photo..this video is not just for profesional but also for amatuer and semi pro..think like a real man please before post any comment. tq

  • @fiq9077 Thanks! At last someone who understands!

  • @cameralabs most welcome :) maybe if you put your setting on manual mode,your technique will increase but for a beginner that would be hard,especially when the light very poor

  • @fiq9077 You watch videos like this to become better at photography and learn more about your camera, not to be told to leave it in auto. Hence my comment, auto is fine if you are happy with the results but 90% of people that watch these videos are people that want to learn more, why else would they be here?

  • @Gamagee In this video I encourage people to use Manual to achieve this result. I only recommend people leave their cameras in Auto afterwards because then their camera is ready for a spontaneous opportunity. I know of many who have left their camera in manual and blown a shot because the exposure was previously set for different conditions. I think this video should come with a disclaimer saying 'if you think manual is best for everything, then please stop watching now'

  • Thanks for the video!

  • I tend to agree with DOUBK3SCOOP and mikrobius, shooting in manual gives you a better image as you avoid the cameras metering system. If you are really conscious of missing the shot use Aperture Priority, at least you control 2/3 of the exposure. More importantly shooting in manual doesn't mean you miss the shot, you just need to be comfortable and familiar with the settings for particular light conditions. My point: know how to read light and set your camera accordingly, not fall back to auto

  • @Gamagee Aperture and Shutter Priority are also automatic and use the same metering as program or Auto. All you are doing is choosing your own aperture or shutter and the camera balances it using it's own judgement based on its metering system. You are not controlling the exposure, only the shutter speed or depth-of-field. So don't think they're any less automatic than Program or Auto.

  • @cameralabs I never mentioned Shutter priority, and did not state that Aperture priority avoids in camera metering. An exposure is a calculation based on three things: Shutter speed, Aperture and ISO. Therefore when using Aperture Priority you are telling your camera the Aperture and ISO and then it will calculate the necessary shutter speed for a good exposure, hence controlling 2/3 of the exposure. Controlling depth of field is a critical aspect of photography, hence better results from AP

  • @Gamagee I understand how they work and agree aperture priority is one of the best all-round modes for general use. But what I wanted to point out to everyone reading this is Aperture and Shutter Priority use the same metering system as Program and Auto. There is a lot of misplaced snobbery in the comments here about how using manual is somehow superior. We should all use the modes which allow us to get the results we want. Surely getting the right photo is the goal.

  • @cameralabs Don't get me wrong i think your tutorial is very useful for beginners wanting to learn how to take half decent night shots. I don't think the way DOUBL3SCOOP provided his criticism was helpful or polite. Maybe for a new video you could provide a longer tutorial on how to utilize the more manual modes in order to have more creative control over your images ie.how shutter, aperture and ISO work to create an exposure. Giving ppl knowledge of how to use AP and M to get great pics

  • @Gamagee Thanks. I'd like to do some more advanced tutorials, or at least some which start simple then get gradually more involved as time goes on. As you know, these first ones were aimed at beginners.

  • hey what am i doing wrong when im trying to take night shot and my camera keeps trying to focus but won't take the shot have it in M I've got the aperture open and my shutter was as slow as could go what am i doing wrong help for i am only new to this! :P and thank you for your videos so very helpful.

  • hey what am i doing wrong when im trying to take night shot and my camera keeps trying to focus but won't take the shot have it in M I've got the aperture open and my shutter was as slow as could go what am i doing wrong help for i am only new to this

  • lots of douchebags in here trying to look cool telling the world they using M...

    just do as the pro says <_<

  • @fefobiz "just do as the pro says" thats not what photography is about it is a medium of expressing yourself through your own creative photos

  • @S8OR Kinda, Try zooming in on something with IS on and you'll see you're still shifting the image around too much for a long exposure, even if it's a lot less shaky than with IS turned off.

  • I noticed you never mention ISO sensitivity, and whenever you're showing your settings ISO is set to 100. Most people new to photography will probably have that set to AUTO and will end up with much different and possible erratic results. My question is, should ISO 100 always be used for night photography? While higher ISO's can introduce noise, the technology is getting better, so setting the ISO for the best quality shot is always perplexing for me.

  • @fooschmack Well, if you got it on a tripod you might as well, as long as you don't need exposure times longer than the camera can handle, then you'd need some sort of timing device for bulb exposure. Canon's got a cable remote for example, that will let you do timed exposures for up to 20 hours.

    For handheld photography though, it's great that modern cameras have less and less noise on high ISO, as you would need it to get short enough exposure times.

  • Av ftw

  • But if you switch to the lowest aperture reading wouldn't that ruin night scapes considering the shallow depth of field is increased to its maximum ???

  • good videos for beginners bro

  • I always use the camera in Apperture mode.

  • Would a nikon d3100 be good for night shots like this?

  • @LinkinParkmania7

    Higher ISO is a must when dark and shooting objects that needs to be steady,(higher ISO gives faster shutter speed/lover aperture) or if you don't have tripod or whatever stand. But be aware of the noise it introduces.

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  • thank u v v much Gordon,

    I have problem taking photos of the horizon with the moon and stars.

    for example when I put the shutter speed to 4 seconds or so to allow enough light to go through the lens, the earth movement would leave me with the end picture of blurry moon and elongated stars :|

    how to do it correctly ??!

  • @rick62008 My calculator takes better pictures at night then this... Just saying..

  • useful video, thanks.

    Cheers!!!

  • All guides for using a dslr at night usually require a tripod and long exposure!

    I am still pretty noob with dslr's and there goes the question: What if you can't just walk around with a tripod and you really need to hold the camera with your hands, which settings are the best at night?

    I still find it pretty hard to take good photos at night without them looking blurry or too dark. It seems that at night long exposure is a must but i can't just sit still 1 or more seconds with the camera!

  • Really useful tips and advice, thanks for sharing!

  • some people just can't ever see the whole picture. Pun intended. I am a guitar player and there are people who think that you aren't a guitar player unless you play fast. Some of the best guitar players can take one note and make it seem as big as the world. That picture taken in aperture mode could be the one that sets the world on fire.

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  • Very helpful! Thank you! I love all of the videos you post. I watched a few of your videos before I purchased my T3i for my first DSLR. Keep up the great work and I will be sure to check back!

  • "Once you've completed your night photography,...put your camera back into auto"

    NO! If you want good photos keep your camera in M and continue to learn how to use it.

  • @mikrobious Sure, keep it set to M, then when a spontaneous opportunity comes along and you have about 2 seconds to take the photo, you'll have lost it due to a gross under or over-exposure. By all means use manual when you need it or are learning more, but you'd be a fool to leave your camera on that setting all the time. You will at some point miss an opportunity. Believe me, there's nothing wrong in using the setting which lets you achieve the desired result. Plenty of pros use auto and semi

  • @cameralabs Im agree with you....manual its great thing for sure, but auto its also usable

  • @mikrobious hahahah i said the exact same thing!

  • in my eos 1000d I can sometimes decrease my aperture to f/3.6. but I am enabled to do so sometimes, any idea about this? I am very much interested in astrophotography, so will these settings be the same because when doing exposures greater than 20 seconds star streaks become to form.

  • @sauravattri1 depending on your lens zooming in will raise you max aperture

  • What camera do you recommend. I am planning of buying a Canon 550D/T2I

  • Great! But what about "white balance" and ISO - what are good settings for your examples or say the moon?

    Cheers,

    LA

  • once you have completed your night photography always remember to switch your camera back to its fullyautoma... NO! cuz im not a retard and i can shoot in manual

  • @DOUBL3SCOOP Sure, keep it set to M, then when a spontaneous opportunity comes along and you have about 2 seconds to take the photo, you'll have lost it due to a gross under or over-exposure. By all means use manual when you need it or are learning more, but you'd be a fool to leave your camera on that setting all the time. You will at some point miss an opportunity. Believe me, there's nothing wrong in using the setting which lets you achieve the desired result. Plenty of pros use auto and semi

  • @DOUBL3SCOOP that's your choice! I'd rather get the shot. I could care less what mode it was in. The goal is the photo, right, not the mode!

  • @cameralabs exactly, totally agree with you -_- once, i left my compact one in Manual mode while me and my family were driving from a road trip, AND I SAW A FERRARI.. i shoot it in Manual mode.. yeah, pictures were such a piece of crap because of over-exposure -.- never again, now i keep it in Program mode with auto ISO :P

  • @cameralabs I never use "auto", I use aperture priority when I need to react quickly, or manual for landscapes. Simple and effective.

  • @arubaforever i like this! although manual is the best for learning things you might miss something and i agree with all the angry people commenting auto is the worst setting aperture priority is great im always using it

  • @DOUBL3SCOOP there are lots of things in a photo, not only the object and what mode it was in, yanno?

    angle counts too, and believe it or not, your luck also counts sometimes. what event you get the picture of, for example. Many of those highlighted photographers, became one of those people for such thing.

    don't judge me, i'm not those 'retards' who capture things in auto, i rarely use auto, but i disagree with you completely for being so high on your dignity.

  • @frealynn i think what im trying to say is that there are so many people these days that buy £1000 dslr's and then only use auto making there nice new camera basically pointless because a medium-high end compact could do the same

  • @DOUBL3SCOOP I agree on that too, but apparently you did NOT say things right (which is prolly why you got many negative votes).

    "..NO! cuz im not a retard and i can shoot in manual"

    You could say it in a better way, that would save you from embarassment (or whatever you call your condition due to that)

    No offense =)

  • @DOUBL3SCOOP You got pwned!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  • @Dmac11a666 if hes so right how come i just got a 100% A* for my photography A level huh?

  • @DOUBL3SCOOP Who am I going to take advise from..A kid in a class that claims he got an A in the class or a pro photographer with more views and positive ratings than you will ever have..While he is in auto, you're going to sit the fumbling with the controls..And guess what, he would have the shot and not you...Honestly he knows more than you and has more experience...And he pwned you while being polite too, which is the icing on the cake...Go do your homework kid...lol..:P

  • @Dmac11a666 hey im pretty sure that i no what im doing seeing as photography examiners think i have done absolutely everything right. fumble? no what you dont realise is that using manual is a process, one that will take time to start but unlike auto you will learn how to take better photos by understanding the workings of the camera. your photos will only be as good as your knowledge of what you are doing as what is going on in the camera. have you ever shot in manual?

  • @DOUBL3SCOOP Yes, and this still has nothing to do with having to take that quick shot you where not expecting that came out of nowhere....

  • @DOUBL3SCOOP I shoot Manual almost all the time, simply because I haven't needed the quickness of semi-auto or auto modes yet, but I think your comment is just plain retarded. "Lose my dignity"? What the heck? Don't you think they would put semiauto and auto modes on a SLR if they weren't meant to be used? And anyway, saying that a GOOD PHOTO, even if taken in auto mode, would take your dignity away, I think is an insult to every photographer.

  • Thanks red forman :)

  • Love this guy. Will someone send him more cameras to review please!!

  • @goodFinMusic I still get all the new cameras - all my latest reviews are at cameralabs . com!

  • what a brilliant video. so clear and comprehensive! thank you

  • Got a D3100 woth the kit lens two days ago. Cant wait to try out your tips.

    I saw that you did a review of the D3100 on your website. Can you do a video review of this camera??? That would be great!!

  • soooo basically: longer shutter speed

  • i wanna try this but with a 1.4 50mil and change the iso and then compare it to changing the shutter speed, i advise everyone to do that. use a lens that has a low apature value and experiement untill you get the results you want then you'll know which technique is right for you. just dont bash people for giving tips!

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  • nice tips but shouldn't people knw that they can change the ISO and change exposure. For example for night photography i use ISO3200 and exposure 2.0+

  • Thank you! Best)

  • Hey Gordon,

    I am from Austria and not a native speaker.

    But as you speak very clearly and with easy words, I understand everything.

    Your tips are as great as easy they are :D

    Thanks

  • hey great vid, you probably have had this question before... but what camera is used in this video? thanks

  • Its very useful. Thumbs upp for you! Thaaaaaaaaaanks!

  • at night i love shooting at 100 iso ....F22....15-20 seconds but i have gone for up to 15 minutes in the woods ...love night photography ...great tips for beginners ....nice job on explaining my friend acierman on flickr

  • @bcbudqueen, I think you need to listen before posting comments. This is a really clear and handy video for anyone starting out in night photography

  • @satans6little9helper "starting out" why do we need MORE ppl getting into it? thats the question...

  • awesome vidz! thank you for the tutorials! i can't wait to use my D3000 out try these out! thanks cameralabs

  • @bcbudqueen420 You're very kind, thankyou. I think you're a bit confused though. I did use manual in this video AND I didn't suggest doing any editing. I accept your apology in advance.

  • @cameralabs peopel choose the easy way outtt ;)

  • @cameralabs oh and now that i can see my post again, i'm not apologizing for YOU ruining photography... you're encouraging others who NORMALLY WOULD TAKE NO INTEREST in it, to take interest, making it a FAD. though you know, you do it because IT GETS YOU HITS, TYPICAL!!!! you're the sell out type!

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  • @bcbudqueen420 You scored 10 out of 10 for ignorance and plain stupidity. Even though you used your eyes and ears you still got it backwards. Imagine using bcbudqueen420 for your wedding photgrapher? roflol

  • @amfemaybole repeating yourself is lame. though i guess your post got deleted, and i had already msged you about this, goes to show you just want to insult me, good thing thats not my photography name ;) tools who don't know anything. hah. this is just boring now.

  • Sir! Great video. Highly informative and helpful. Can you please tell me what white balance I should choose for night photography. I shoot with Nikon D7000. Thanks you very much.

  • thank you so much...... put together a concise book and sell it... i would buy it

  • who the hell dislikes this video? great tips!

  • @saraparkervxay i've got a nikond7000, but people using automatic should not be using a slr. they shouldn't even have automatic. -.- thats not photography. that's snap shots.

  • @saraparkervxay would you people go off and die!!!People are really fed up with credit scams!!!

  • but what if you take the picture and the lights look overexposed while the surrounding environment looks good?

  • try this settings with a tripod. 30 seconds, f/22, 100 ISO.

  • orrr you could raise the ISO

  • sometimes if i take photos during night it become blurd and sometime i saw the screen "BUSY" and i need to wait for a few second to take another photos, what will i do for these?????

  • awesome tips thanks!

  • nice

  • cool thats helped me, i have my first organised event, a stargazin evening to photograph at the weekend so im looking for as many tips as poss, this has helped ALOT many thanks nikki

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  • I am a beginner and i am lookiong to buy an entry level dslr. I am unsure for which one to go for as there are so many to shoose from. I want great video e.g. bikes and sports, ation pictures, landscapes and value for money. My limit is £600, is sony's a33 or a55 a good options or canon's 500d or even 550d, any suggestions?