easymike: I have to congratulate your for your steady, relatively patient efforts to talk SENSE. Unfortunately, you have been up against an opponent who seems to be a walking caricature. It's hard for me to believe that anyone actually talks like this. Kudos for your effort, though.
we need to move beyond the language of liberal and conservative. we need to conserve our environment, our tax money, our soldiers, our health, our education, and our friends around the world. we need to conserve our liberty. i am both conservative and liberal, the kind of person attacked on all sides for advocating common sense.
shes ok, but this is just the light she is cast in NOW, this is the subtle veil politicians use to fool us, to addle our minds with their base trickery
More than 80% of the all volunteer force considers themselves Conservative. Can Kerry, Pelosi and liberals raise a liberal Army to defend America against her enemies?
80% eh? Is that regular ole get-as-far-away-as-you-can-from-Bush Republican or cool aid drinking Neoconservatives? Just which unmentionable part of your anatomy did you pull the ridiculous number from? Oh I get it! This is another one of those made up "facts" that's supposed to put Democrats, Liberals, Progressives or anyone who sees through the BS of the current administration in a bad light. Sorry too little, too late dugfmjamul.
Dilbertgeg: You must have spent many extra years going through Liberal controlled public schools to say something so stupid. I am serious, just how long did you attend the public school system? Did the students around you look up to as an adult figure and address you as Mr./Miss.?
Please. Really, I'm begging you. Please actually READ what people are saying to you. You are just seeing what you expect to see. Your responses to easymike reveal that you simply refuse to think about issues for longer than one second. Rush, Sean, and the rest of them are not a good substitute for your brain cells. (and no, neither is Michael Moore, wise guy.)
None of your replies to easymike have had anything to do with what he actually said. Instead of engaging him on his points, you put words in his mouth, parrot straw-man arguments that have little basis in reality, and throw around "communist", "Liberal", and "America-hating" like confetti. It is clear you have absolutely no IDEA what a liberal even is.
And you don't fool me---you know full well that "Liberals" (whatever those are) are not what Rush, Sean, Coulter, etc. say they are. People like them just like to keep the anger alive. Anger at anything and anybody who represents "Liberalism", which is defined as anything they disagree with.
Reply (shifteeeee): That's funny you're the one who is stealing the "eee's". Now we have a nationwide "E" shortage. Blame the Republicans. The one thing the Liberals are great at; "Name Calling." Is that a college course offered at your school? If it is you're not too good at it. That's how we will defeat the Terrorists, call them names until they can't take it any more and leave us alone. I will tell everyone to vote Liberal, so we can have world peace.
How can anybody in their right mind say the Republicans have done a good job? If you hire a guy to paint your house and he ransacks it and sets it on fire, do you hire him again?
Spell checkers are free as well. tand?? Are all Liberals cry babies? There will be a lot of crying after the election. Here is a good stock tip "Kleenex"
Your right, Justice for all. However the Liberals constantly suppress the news and side with American enemies. They do not care at all about the sovereignty of our nation and will do nothing to protect our country. If Liberals were in power during the Revolutionary War we would still paying Taxes to the King. Just look at CNN the Liberal Terrorist Network. They love broadcasting American Deaths they think it is good reporting.
Spell check didn't help you. It's "you're" right as in you are not "your" as in belonging to you. But that is not the most important thing that you're wrong about. Like most loud but wrong on the right (I'd guess shallow, black and white thinking, cool aid drinking, good vs. evil Neocon) you don't even listen to liberals to know what they think. I'm just learning about Nancy Pelosi but if we had more like her in DC the elephant crap that's in the Whitehouse wouldn't be ignored.
Easymike: FYI every Liberal idea that this country has experimented with has only been disastrous. All Libs should go live in a communistic country for at least a month or two. Maybe when you come back you will finally start to appreciate Capitalism. Capitalism made this country Great and Liberalism is only destroying it.
Liberals vs. capitalism? "LIBERALISM = socialism, communism, anti-Americanism, etc,"? What planet are you from iluvtits69 and what idiot have you been listening to? The dearth of intellect on the right is alarming. That's probably why your smartest in DC charged of in the wrong direction, without enough troops or a plan to fight terrorism and made the world worse. Das ok do dey got richer. Now liberals have to fix it. Unlike your nits, Pelosi and others do understand what Democracy means.
Easymike: You are another typical Liberal. When you can't win in a debate you resort to name calling. The fact that we have not been attacked in five years says enough about the war in Iraq. The Libs have no idea to defend this country however they have mastered the art of criticism. How about criticizing the enemy instead of us fellow Americans for a change. Why Do Libs Hate America So Much? Please go live in a Communistic country for a while.
BTW iluvtits69, what you just said is just right wing partisan rhetoric and has nothing to do with what liberals think, What "disaster" has any liberal perpetrated on the US that's worse than the current debacle orchestrated by Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush et al? We've been so distracted by Iraq that we haven't even begun to sort out the multibillion dollar corruption, our broken defense system, etc. If this is the way the right defends this country, no thanks.
Easymike: Why do you only see the negative sides to war? War is war and people die just like when buildings get hit by air planes people die. Libs act as thou the Iraqi's never voted or nothing but bad things are happening in Iraq. This is what the Lib news media reports. I live in a heavy Lib area and all I see is a bunch of depressed whiny complaining Libs. You Libs thrive on bad news and will not look to the good in anything. I see it on a daily basis.
War is negative there is nothing positive about war. The Iraq war was unnecessary and wrong. We did not have the right to unilaterally invade another country based on the deliberate deceit of a few people. Cheney and Rumsfelds arrogance along with the Presidents blatant incompetence produced every mistake imaginable in managing the "liberation" of Iraq. Why do you think Colin Powell left and so many good intelligent Generals (many Republicans) disagree with this administration?
Why do so many right-wingers think that it is un-American to criticize or discuss the faults of this country? We have many and will probably have more. The way we correct them is to face them and solve them Democratically. That's what this country is about. Telling someone if they don't like it to move to a communist country is un-American. BTW, look at how Clinton managed the country WITHOUT control of the house. His watch was not dysfunctional as this one is.
Easymike: and while he was controlling this country 500,000 people were murdered. The WTC was bombed. Women were Raped by him. His business associates were murdered mysteriously. He lied to a grand jury. Redefined the English dictionary. No Republican X-President has ever gone around the world with hate America Speech. Clinton and Carter go to other countries and talk bad about my country. Fuck the both of them.
Easymike: You seem to spend you time looking up left wing information and reciting their talking points. I keep an open mind to both sides of politics. I look at left wing blogs as well as right wing blogs. The left wing blogs are filled with many demented ideas. What the left wing write about parallels with the ideologies of Communism. Communism has failed every time is has been tried. Study on the philosophy of Capitalism it is truly about freedom then you can make an educated decision.
I do not concern myself with talking points or sides really I am an independent. I do research the facts and the Bush Administration is the worse since James Buchanan. It is a veritable cluster f*@k. Nixon was a saint and Ford was a genius comparatively
The first part is just plain silly. Both Clinton and Carter do more to build alliances out of office than anyone in the Bush administration does. It's the Bush administration that makes us look bad around the world. We are thought of as fat, dumb and arrogant.
Easymike: Carter and Clinton are the worst post presidents we have ever had. To say you are an independent is laughable when you clearly stand up for Libs and call Republicans Neocons. I stand by my statement Liberals are Anti-American. Go live in a Comi country. You just hate America and afraid to admit who you are like ALL LIBS. I have nothing against porn but explain Jack Webb. George Allen is a good man and the left media has smeared him to death.
Have whatever opinion of Carter and Clinton you like iluvtits69 but it won't change reality or history. Carter is recognized, respected and requested as a Statesman world wide. His literary and humanitarian work is legendary and he is still at it at 81. Clinton is a highly intelligent politician and diplomat now applying his skills to humanitarian efforts. Sure he did a stupid thing when he got embarrassed and lied about a BJ. That's not the same as lying to invade another country
I defend liberals when the philosophy is correct iluvtits69. These days it usually is. I've have noticed that the right tends to get angry when faults that undermine the intrinsic values of this country are pointed out. To the right, this means that you hate America and should move to a communist country. The left presents fact upon reality based fact only to be accused of "smearing" without having one fact contradicted. Then the right will lie about what the left REALLY wants or thinks.
Easymike: we are only thought of fat, dumb and arrogant in the mind of the Liberals. This is what they have printed in our papers and have broadcasted around the world. The world views us the way the left media view us. That is a fact. When 3rd world dictators come to our county and spew liberal talking points, they are not coming from our Great Commander and Chief they are coming from the Leftist media. Clinton & Carter spew hate America talk throughout Europe all the time. That sickens me.
Unfortunately it does not come from any American. Ithas been a growing view expressed by those outside of this country because of the "arrogant white man" syndrome. You can't blame liberals for that and Clinton and Carter have never supported it.
Easymike: Libs have very short memories I have noticed over the years. Have you not seen all the news clips the Libs including your hero Clinton regarding the threats around the world? Bush went into Iraq based on the same information the house & senate had including all the Dems. It was a Bi-partisan vote we went in. The Liberal traitors stuck Bush in the back with a Knife. I hold all deaths of American service men since Bush landed on the carrier on the heads of the Liberals.
Easymike: I completely believe the Liberals can not handle a Bush Victory and are willing to destroy this Great Country to keep that from happening. Liberals do not care about death. They are willing to create life only to destroy it. There is much disagreement within the Liberal community because they have taken on many causes which conflict with one another. This is why they are all fucked up on environmental issues.
iluvtits69:Winning in Iraq is just right wing election rhetoric. The SNAFU that led to the unplanned de-Baathification and disbanding of the Iraqi Army changed the coalition from liberators to occupiers in one fell swoop and made the area ripe for the Alqaeda and Iranian fueled insurgency. The idea of a "win", as we like to idealistically think about it, left as Paul Bremer clandestinely fled Iraq. The seeds of regional unrest, insurgency and possible civil war had been sewn.
Easymike: Much of what you say is debatable due the fact that we as the people are not privy to all the information our government has. Nor do I feel we as the public should be privy too. No one really knows what happens in any presidential administration. I feel All countries should have a chance at democracy and to feel we (Americans) are the only ones entitled to it would be considered arrogant. Clinton let 500,000 people die in Rwanda. You can not deny that.
I have not presented anything here that is not supportable fact. I disagree with you about what the public should be privy to. That is a fundamental difference between a Liberal and a Neoconservative. I choose not to give that kind of power to the Government or a leader like Bush. I think people all over the world should have an opportunity to govern themselves. I don't think we have the right to tell them how. Ours is not the only brand of Democracy in the world. Just ask the European Union
Easymike: So what you are saying it is OK for a Liberal President to have secrets but is not OK for a Republican to have national secrets. The EU has freedoms because of the US saving their ASS in WWII. Do you not know that. We also protected them during the cold war. Do you not know that. It was Reagan who ended the Cold war or are you in Denial about that as well.
I do understand a need for a certain amount of confidentiality in government but some leaders ask for too much secrecy in order to usurp power. We need to stop beating that dead WWII horse and get with what's happening now. The Bush administration is intellectually bankrupt when it comes to European world affairs.
Actually I have a pretty good memory for most of the details of our Iraqi involvement iluvtits69 . What came to light after Colin Powell several generals, congress etc. were duped was that Rumsfeld and Cheney engineered the war through deception. Cheney refused to accept Tennent's (CIA and friend of Powell) report of no Al-Quaeda, no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Eventually Tennent was induced to lie to Powell and others. That's when Powell made his presentation to the UN
As for Webb and Allen I think it's a good fight. Too bad the Roveanator has had such a devastating effect on the style of politics in this country. We would probably stick more to issues otherwise. Webb stepped on his thang a couple of times and Allen made a fool of himself in front of a camera the all the other crap ensued. I am not sure whom I like better as a person but politically I'd choose Webb. I honestly think that the Democrats are for the common good.
Easymike: That's interesting George Allen is a Good Person. The fact you would support Webb just because he is a Democrat does not make you an Independent. I know a lot of Independents they vote for who they feel is the best candidate not by party affiliation. You did tell me earlier you are an Independent. All of your talking points are of Liberal in nature. I do not hide who I am. Why do Liberals?
As I said, given the choices I think the Democrats are more philosophically correct. We have had a stagnant and dysfunctional system with the Republicans in power. They have given me every reason not to trust them with the well being of the country without the balace of thoughtful Democrats.
Easymike: The one thoughtful Democrat you have, the Libs did everything they could to get rid of him. "Joe Leiberman" he is currently kicking the shit out of "Led Lamo". As long as we Americans allow 3rd world dictators to rule unchecked we will always have Bull Shit problems to deal with. Bin Laden said it him self while Clinton was in office We are a "Paper Tiger" Reagon Would have taken him out after the first Trade Center episode. "The Great Reagon" One of the Best Ever.
There rises the ugly head of arrogance. It is not up to Americans to unilaterally police other countries. The best way for us to encourage Democracies is to build alliances. The wrongful invasion of Iraq has damaged this process. Clinton best defends himself on Rwanda. It is sufficient to say that he knew that he couldn't (should') do it without a consensus.
Easymike: You are right the Libs are Arrogant and Elitist. To think people in 3rd world countries do not have the right to be free. To let people die without cause, tortured without cause. I can see why 3rd world dictators blame the US for their people's problems; they know Libs will not do anything about it. "By your own words." I would never be proud to admit being a Liberal. You actually opened my eyes as to why Libs will not admit being Liberal either.
These are your words you are not quoting me nor any liberal. All this talk of third world dictators is academic. Please don't try any sophomoric straw man BS with me. What was the last country the Republicans or Neocons invaded for altruistic reasons?
Easymike: You are speaking out of desperation now. The Libs have no idea how to handle world problems as well as internal problems with this country. This is why Bush is so despised by them. He has beaten you at every corner and the only thing Libs have left is this election and they will lie, deceive and spread propaganda to win. Libs can not win on the issues so they will not debate on them.
Easymike: I just re-read your last statement. It makes no sense to me. The Libs want us to go at N Korea unilaterally. You are also saying you want alliances to deal with Murderers in 3rd world countries. Well, which is it? No matter what Bush does, Unilaterally or Multilaterally he will be wrong in your view. This reaffirms my belief Bush, Cheney and the Great Rummy is absolutely correct with the tough decisions they had to make. Libs would rather see people die than make hard decisions.
There is a big difference between unilateral discussions within and alliance and a unilateral invasion. I'm glad you are so enamored of the autocrats. Enjoy the cool aid while you can. They have been exposed for the despots they are.
Easymike: You are speaking out of desperation now. The Libs have no idea how to handle world problems as well as internal problems with this country. This is why Bush is so despised by them. He has beaten you at every corner and the only thing Libs have left is this election and they will lie, deceive and spread propaganda to win. Libs can not win on the issues so they will not debate on them.
Desperate for what? Don't start believing your own propaganda. Bush isn't so much despised as pitied for his embarrassing lack of ability to handle the position he was elected to. Cheney and Rumsfeld have been behind the scenes manipulators since before you were out of diapers. I made the statement when Bush first announced his candidacy that I wouldn't hire him to run water knowing that daddy had picked Cheney as handler. If anyone is to be despised its Chaney and Rumsfeld.
Easymike: Bush, Cheney and Rummy have done more to spread economic freedom throughout the world than any Lib has ever accomplished. I do not call giving away our wealth that we earned economic freedom. I look at what the Muslims are doing in Europe they are destroying that part of the world. The Liberal mind set just let them come on in now they are changing their society to a Secular one. See what appeasement get you.
Easymike: I have no problems taking out a 3rd world dictator who abuses their power even if cost lives including American. This is what the world truly respects: POWER and not being afraid to use it. We are the leading Super Power and it is that way for a reason; because we know how to wield it. The Liberals are scared of it. I laugh at them for this. This why the world does not respect us they think we are all Libs here and Bush is the outcast.
Another fundamental difference between Neoconservatives and Liberals: Running of and blowing up some dislikable dictator does not connote the responsible use of POWER. As Iran and North Korea demonstrates, it only encourages smaller countries to want the same kind of POWER in the form of nuclear weapons or whatever else. Bush has proven that we know how to wield nothing, Due to the miss-micromanaging of Rumsfeld & company our war machine is severely broken. Super fools maybe
Easymike: these countries will want nuclear weapons no matter what. As Bill Clinton proved with Bin Ladon he wanted to kill Americans and Bill appeased him all the way. As Albright admitted, the N Koreans did not keep up with their end of the bargain. There is No Bargaining with 3rd world dictators they have no regard for life; not even their own. They kill to intimidate. And as usual the Libs are intimidated. Third world dictators are scared of Bush and are hoping the Libs regain control.
Bill Clinton appeased Ben Laden? The North Koreans didn't keep up their end of the bargain because Bush didn't follow through on the deal Clinton cut. Followed by a number of ridiculous generalities? Please! Haven't you noticed? Even Bush has stopped playing the tough cowboy because it isn't believable. The only one buying the Bush propaganda are the cool aid drinking die hards. You still haven't attempted to answer one question that I have asked.
Easymike: Their people would gladly trade WMD's for economic freedom however their leaders will not. These leaders would rather die than give up their power. Quadafi in Lebanon saw what we were willing to do and he gave up. Showing strength works every time. The mighty soviets saw they could not keep up, so they gave up. To have world order we can't act as a "Paper Tiger" Clinton is Wimp and will always be one. What ?? are you talking about.
The unilateral invasion of Iraq encourages terrorism and nuclear proliferation in the minds of smaller countries. What would you do or think if you knew that a bunch of "arrogant white men" from "the world power" would unilaterally invade your country because they suspected you of something? Of course Iran and North Korea think we will invade them in a heartbeat. Yes they think nukes will make us think twice. I fear the arrogant backward thinking of Neocons more than terrorists.
Easymike: These countries fear us and that is a good thing. They also fear Russia and China that is also a good thing. Have you not listened to Osomas rhetoric he wants world domination; PERIOD. What don't you understand about this? He will kill you, your family and any other person who gets in his way. It is people like you I fear. It is not our Republican controlled government. The Libs would gladly turn over military secrets if they think madmen would leave alone. You are a Fool.
During our discussion iluvtits69, I have asked several questions and instead of answering them you have suggested that I am an America hating communist sympathizer who ought to leave this country as if the generations of military, public service and taxes my family has invested are meaningless. Is the etiquette of the brave new world or the demise of true American values?
Clinton had North Korea willing to give up nukes for oil. Bush didn't like it he wanted your approach. You wonder why we are loosing world respect? Our "might" is not respected and our behavior is reviled.
Easymike: Come on; Kim Jung only gave the food Clinton supplied to him to his army and then sold off the rest to purchase arms. All this happened while your Hero Clinton was in office. If you honestly believe this is about oil you are a complete sucker to the Liberal media. Kim is a complete wack job and if you are willing to take his side while basing our government than I will stand by my statement. Liberals are traitors. Kim starves, tortures and kill his own people. Libs are compassionate?
Learn to read. I didn't say it was about oil I said North Korea was offered oil. Something they desperately need. Of course the people of North Korea are starving. Sanctions help lots. As I said the arrogant backward thinking of Neocons frightens me more than terrorists do. You honestly believe that might will make right in the world. Do you need to be shown how many times that has been prove wrong throughout the centuries?
Easymike: Look no matter what you think there will never be peace in this world. If it is not N Korea it will be another country. It will be another country after another country. Nothing will stop wars from happening. It is delusional to think other wise. That is the way it is and always will be. The best way to minimize death and destruction is to nip it the but as soon as possible. Appeasing will only prolong the inevitable. This has always leads to more death and destruction.
Whatever the future of our world is I am increasingly convinced that I don't want it determined by shallow, black and white, good vs. evil minded ideologues that believe they are omniscient enough and have the right to "nip it in the bud".
"I see the world in black and white, Nancy Pelosi never does, you know, I think that's dangerous in a time of terror." Say's Bill O'Reilly. I don't know very much about Nancy Pelosi but his comment gives me reason to have more respect for her abilities as representative in Congress
People are too often tempted to simplify their view on the world to black and white especially when under pressure. When a situation is too complicated to understand or too time consuming to resolve quickly people fall back on black-or-white thinking. It is undoubtedly comforting to feel as though the problem has been solved but this has nothing to do with reality. No problem, no situation, no challenge in our complicated, multicolored and textured world is that simple
Easymike: the world is more blank & white than you think. Our country was founded on the concept of Capitalism. I do not believe our forefathers could have predicted what they gave birth to is as successful it has become. It is a concept simple by design. Just allow people to explore and do what they were born to do. This why we threaten dictator/communistic/socialistic societies. Nancy Pelosi does not believe in Capitalism. Yet this concept lies within every human being on earth.
It's sadly obvious that you have to invent positions and lies for the other side in order to defend your own. This has been a consistent pattern on the right. You have not heard a Democrat, Liberal or Progressive running for office ever espouse communism, socialism or be anti capitalistic. Your comment about Nancy Pelosi is an outright lie. She is the 8th richest person in Congress and her husband is an investment banker.
Easymike: and you said you do not know much about her. That was a lie as well. And while she most of money in an overseas bank account protected from taxes she wants to raise yours. But you are a Lib and Libs love to pay taxes.
Easymike: I used to design & build restaurants for a living. I have helped many people live the American Dream over the years. A lot of these people did not speak English; yet they became successful here. Many of my clients have told me there was no opportunity in there country because the concept of Capitalism does not exist. Their government kept their society suppress.
Easymike: The free market society scares Socialistic based governments because they feel the need to control every aspect of their citizens lives. If you take a serious look at what Liberals vote on and try to get passed through legislation you will discover that it parallels with a social agenda. Free market will do more to increase wages than government demands ever will. Besides every time wages go up so does the cost at the register.
Most issues facing our society like terrorism, the ecology, the economy and world alliances are extremely complex. Many facets and facts come from many people and countries. It takes extensive knowledge and cooperation to evaluate and act upon the facts that will affect millions of people. Simplistic, black-and-white thinking will produce bad decisions and poor leadership. In fact, it already has.
"... I think there are villains that want to kill us, you know, and if you don't accept that, your odds of dying go higher" Mr. O'Reilly admonishes. What does this mean in a black and white world? Should we grab a gun or a bomb and go blow up something or shoot someone? How will we know when we have found and killed all the villains? Maybe we should give all of your rights to an incompetent President and administration and let them decide. I know what seems more dangerous to me.
Easymike: are you saying 60% of the American is stupid and incompetent. Bush won by on the widest margin in history. So did Reagan. The only people who say the President is incompetent and dumb are elitist Liberals. "Hmm" I do not agree with everything this administration has done but I am confident they are making tough decisions and getting it right enough times to get the job done.
OK back to reality based reality. GW Bush won by one of the narrowist margins and his disaproval rate is closer to 60%. Hmm, I guess a whole bunch of Americans decided to become "elitist Liberals". (Isn't that an oxymoron)
Easymike: I am talking about the 2004 election. That's easy to say when the majority of the polls are conducted by Liberal bias pollsters. Ie NY Times, News Week, Zogby and the list goes on and on. Most Republicans are working for a living while lazy freeloaders are staying home to answer the phone. Of course the recipients of free gov. money are going to favor the Libs. The polls have not gotten it right in many years.
Easymike: I do not know if you are aware of this but most of the Liberal news organization are loosing money and cutting costs on a grand scale. They have lost the trust of the American people and in a free market society if you do not put a quality product you will disappear. The Libs should be careful with what they try to market in this society.
Easymike: I am with you "easymike" the Liberal experiment is almost over. "Halleluiah" It did not work. So lets get rid of all the social programs that do not work which is most of them. Downsize the gov. and lower taxes. We can finally be a lone superpower and show the rest of the world what works well as a government. "CAPITIOLISM" It took a while but I am glad you see the light. "Yea"
easymike: I find it ironic you accuse me of "Can't you come up with your own accurate stuff" when you are the one spouting off right out of playbook Liberal talking points. I have countered everything you have thrown at me with my own thoughts and life's experiences. Typical Lib however; to accuse someone else of lying, making an error, mistakes or just being wrong. I would not expect anything less than this comment coming from you. So how is the clam chowder where you live?
First, I was commenting on your attempt to usurp my comment "The experiment is over and the emperor has no clothes."
Most of my comments are based on real situations about the current administration and are supportable by facts. Many are from or based on letters I've written to various people because nothing or not enough was being said. I do write to support or encourage the Democratic position but it's my playbook.
Most of your assertions have been made up and false general views of liberals and their philosophies ala O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc as encouraged by Rove. That whole strategy is to lie and deceive until people believe it. You never hear liberals espouse the things you (they) say.
I have challenged, without rebuttal, the voracity of several of your comments while you have not challenged any statement about a real issue that I cannot support. A lie is what it is.
easymike: You are right a lie is a lie like when you told me you are an Independent. You are as Liberal as can be. You only support Liberal point of views. Yes I do listen to Rush, Sean, and Mark Levin. They back up what they say. I have been a republican all my life. Long before these guys came onto the seen. I have voted Republican for the past 25 years. I started listening to them because the old news media has been slanted to the left for several decades. Fox news has become #1.
Easymike: It is the Libs who demand government control in every little aspect of business. I used to be an employer for 20 years. It is the Libs who intrude into our personal lives. Your hero Clinton the "Enchelon" program. You Libs run when that is brought up. So do not tell me Bush is the Liar when it is the Libs who lie and lie.
Please identify one liberal lie. I identify one thing that I have presented that is not true and cannot defend and I will admit it.
BTW I have been an employer since 1974 and I see no incongruity in supporting what I think is for the common good. That may mean supporting what you call a liberal point of view, so be it. Independents are allowed to do that.
Please tell me how "Libs ... demand government control in every little aspect of business". And how "Libs ... intrude into our personal lives" otherwise they are just empty words.
Clinton is not my hero just a politician that I respect much more than GW Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld combined.
Easymike: So do you respect John Kerry more than GW Bush, Cheney, or Rumsfeld combined? Before you answer that Think of John Kerry as a Republican. And how his comment would have played in the Liberal media.
What does right wing spin on a Kerry faux pas have to do with anything iluvtits69? GW Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld with the help of Wolfowitz and others lied and deceived the U.S. into a wrong and unnecessary war in Iraq. They did so against the advise of those who knew better. They again ignored wiser advice and bungled the execution of the war costing thousands of lives and billions of dollars while leaving Iraq, the U.S. and the world worse off. The question is, who is more despicable
Easymike: why do you try to convince me you are an independent when you are 100% Liberal? Are you embarrassed to be one because you know what you stand for? The defeat of America. You Libs love when America looses at something. I doubt you even route for the US when we are in the Olympics. You cheer on every other country and are pissed off when our Olympiads stand up there with the gold. You will not be happy until Capitalism is completely abolished. Are you even American?
Easymike: lets talk about the facts, people die in war. You have admitted earlier that you do not care who dies in this world by brutal dictators. This is pathetic. As far as wars go, very few people have died in this one. Schools are being built, water is running, the power grid is functioning and oil is pumping. The Iraqi's are enjoying freedoms they have not had before. By the way they do not want us to leave any time soon. As the NYT has admitted Sadom was within a year of building WMD.
Easymike: I bet you enjoy all the American deaths which have occurred; it fuels your fire and hatred for your great country. You know Kerry was speaking his true thoughts. He has always talked bad about our Great Military. You have spun everything I have commented on and answered nothing directly. That is what Liberals do. Remember Kerry voted for it before he voted against it. What a "Dick" To answer you question Kerry is more despicable. This is a direct answer.
You are free to believe all the Neocon lies and gibberish that makes you feel comfortable. I am just thankful that your kind is becoming more of a minority each day. It gives hope for this country and he world.
In the mean time, you still have not even attempted to answer one question that I have put to you. You are unable to contradict one thing that I've said. Your only comeback is more lies about what YOU think I think or what YOU think liberals think. Not one quote or verifiable fact
Easymike: I asked you earlier if you would only read the paragraphs; What is the question? I have asked you many questions most of which you avoid. You have not presented me with any fact just what I hear in the leftist media on a regular basis. I have herd nothing new from you that I have not herd before.
Easymike: here are some facts for you. Center for Media and Public Affairs. (cmpa.com) Look them up, you will they are legitimate. Here is some proof the media is bias: 88% negative coverage for the GOP vs. 77% positive press for the DNC. This is in regards to the election. The press is supposed to report the news and let the people decide. I have hated watching the news for about 5 years. Out of the 5 major news networks Fox is the most fair. Their slogan is "We Report You Decide."
Easymike: I do not agree with everything on Fox but at least they are not One sided. I do not want hear about the Dems being angles and that is why they get all the good press and the Gop only deserves bad press. I pointed out to you there have been a lot of positive things out of Iraq. You do not even try to address this. You have consistently been negative just like the media in this country. I have been questioning you're intellect since I have been communicating with you.
Easymike: You know a lot of big words "So What" big words mean nothing to me and they will not solve the problems of the world. I have asked you many times "Why Do You Hide The Fact You Are A Liberal?" You have reefed to me as a neocon many times when I am just a Republican. Neocons are referred to the Conservative side of the Republican party. I have made that very clear to you I am a "Republican."
Easymike: why are the Liberal leaders hiding ie. Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy even Kerry was supposed to be in hiding. What are they hiding? Our leaders are out campaigning and letting people know what our plan is for the future of our country. Why have not the Dems announced any plan? Is it because they do not have one? Is it because they know people will not vote for it? Are you against the verdict of Sadom Hussain today?
Easymike: I can easily say to you "do not believe the Leftist propaganda you hear" I have listened to both sides for many years. I believe our country is best served with strong Republican leadership with some Liberal points of view mixed in. That is the way I have felt for about two decades and I no intentions of changing my mind.
Easymike: lets talk about our economy. Unemployment 4.4%, the dow at 12,000+, the middle class doing better than ever. It is the middle class who has cut in half our deficit; they are spending more today than in the past several years. The only ones who are saying the middle class is in trouble are the usual suspects; the Gloom and Doom Libs. With all the media bias who are against this administration. I have one of the best financial years in a long time. I love Bush tax cuts.
Our poverty rate, which is among the highest in the developed world, has increased each year for the last four years. It was 12.6% in 2005 expected to top13% this year. The homeless in major cities is growing rapidly 3.5 million at last count. The rich are doing OK while the middle class is treading water. The real estate market is not helping. And don't forget to include inflation in the stock market. I don't think the picture will painted as rosy after elections.
Easymike: if you did not have good financial years then look to yourself. Do not blame Bush I know a lot of people who have done well the past couple of years. The housing market is down and people are buying at a good price. They will be selling at profit when the market improves. Wow, Capitalism works. We do not need the government telling us how to make money. We only need to understand how Capitalism works. I do not believe in payroll taxes how about you.
Easymike: Lets talk about Nancy Pelosi a huge hypocrite. She wants to raise taxes, supports illegal immigration and is friendly with unions. She owns a vineyard, she hires illegal immigrants and uses non-union help while other vineyards must have union help. She has the bulk of her wealth in off shore accounts to avoid taxes. You think she is great. Nancy does not dispute any of this. Where is Nancy? Why is she in hiding? Does not want to take the chance of exposing her self to the people.
Bush's economics are totally communist. What is $2B per week in war spending? What is No Child Left Behind? Putting Church under State. Totally commie.
LIBERALISM = socialism, communism, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, traitor to this country, rights to our enemies, suppression of speech, suppression of the press, white guilt, keeping people down, negativity, keeping blacks in their place-welfare society. Is all this really good for America? November 7th is approaching.
Um "Liberty and justice for all" It's the Constitution. So Roosevelt, Kennedy, LBJ, Carter, Clinton - were anti-American communists? Think a bit before you write anything will ya?
Your right, Justice for all. However the Liberals constantly suppress the news and side with American enemies. They do not care at all about the sovereignty of our nation and will do nothing to protect our country. If Liberals were in power during the Revolutionary War we would still paying Taxes to the King. Just look at CNN the Liberal Terrorist Network. They love broadcasting American Deaths they think it is good reporting.
Dilbertgeg: You must have spent many extra years going through Liberal controlled public schools to say something so stupid. I am serious, just how long did you attend the public school system? Did the students around you look up to as an adult figure and address you as Mr./Miss.?
It's the neo-cons who are trying to suppress speech and the press, who are giving huge tax brakes to the same corporations that are shipping American jobs over seas, who are war profiteering in Iraq all the while creating more U.S. hostility the world over, and who refuse to grant Americans a living wage. Nov. 7th IS approaching. Wake up to reality, do what is good for America: vote Democrat.
No one has to tell anybody this; it's reality. Instead of guessing where I get my info from, you should research the state of the nation yourself. And believing mis-information from the mouths of Rush or Coulter doesn't count as research!
I Believe This Was A Video Clip Of PBS-TV's The Newshour With Jim Lehrer's Report On Part 1 Of Leader Pelosi On Friday Evening, September 22, 2006.
radiodj1520 11 months ago
If any women needs to be in a Burqa.
barcodellllll 11 months ago
Satan herself. Who bought her political position anyway? I bet her husband is getting real rich on this investment.
allclassics 1 year ago
LEFT-WING CAUSE 9/11
Conservativepacheat 2 years ago
This stupid bitch makes George Bush look like a NASA rocket scientist.
RadarGuidedVermin 2 years ago
I HATE PELOSI SO MUCH.
gosh. it makes me f*cken mad just seeing her
pepsimannampepsi 3 years ago
Pelosi is no leader. She is a boil on the butt of America and an embarrassment as well.
LuLu8769 4 years ago 3
This bitch has got to go. She's a national disgrace.
mnwolf 5 years ago
The real disgraces are the ignoramuses that trashed this country and those that continue to support the same ideals.
easymike 5 years ago
easymike: I have to congratulate your for your steady, relatively patient efforts to talk SENSE. Unfortunately, you have been up against an opponent who seems to be a walking caricature. It's hard for me to believe that anyone actually talks like this. Kudos for your effort, though.
Marbles471 5 years ago
we need to move beyond the language of liberal and conservative. we need to conserve our environment, our tax money, our soldiers, our health, our education, and our friends around the world. we need to conserve our liberty. i am both conservative and liberal, the kind of person attacked on all sides for advocating common sense.
wanderingwill1 5 years ago
Now THAT's eloquent.
Marbles471 5 years ago
The administration is dead, log live the democracy!
easymike 5 years ago
Excellent!
johnlvs2run 5 years ago
shes ok, but this is just the light she is cast in NOW, this is the subtle veil politicians use to fool us, to addle our minds with their base trickery
toddtheinfection 5 years ago
iluvetits69's name says it all. he should not be commenting on anything of substance.
bpfitzgerald 5 years ago
rightwing52000: who are you responding to?
iluvtits69 5 years ago
I like her, I don't like her husband. All we need is more rich faggots in power.
mcburney7 5 years ago
More than 80% of the all volunteer force considers themselves Conservative. Can Kerry, Pelosi and liberals raise a liberal Army to defend America against her enemies?
dugfmjamul 5 years ago
80% eh? Is that regular ole get-as-far-away-as-you-can-from-Bush Republican or cool aid drinking Neoconservatives? Just which unmentionable part of your anatomy did you pull the ridiculous number from? Oh I get it! This is another one of those made up "facts" that's supposed to put Democrats, Liberals, Progressives or anyone who sees through the BS of the current administration in a bad light. Sorry too little, too late dugfmjamul.
easymike 5 years ago
Dilbertgeg: You must have spent many extra years going through Liberal controlled public schools to say something so stupid. I am serious, just how long did you attend the public school system? Did the students around you look up to as an adult figure and address you as Mr./Miss.?
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Please. Really, I'm begging you. Please actually READ what people are saying to you. You are just seeing what you expect to see. Your responses to easymike reveal that you simply refuse to think about issues for longer than one second. Rush, Sean, and the rest of them are not a good substitute for your brain cells. (and no, neither is Michael Moore, wise guy.)
Marbles471 5 years ago
None of your replies to easymike have had anything to do with what he actually said. Instead of engaging him on his points, you put words in his mouth, parrot straw-man arguments that have little basis in reality, and throw around "communist", "Liberal", and "America-hating" like confetti. It is clear you have absolutely no IDEA what a liberal even is.
Marbles471 5 years ago
And you don't fool me---you know full well that "Liberals" (whatever those are) are not what Rush, Sean, Coulter, etc. say they are. People like them just like to keep the anger alive. Anger at anything and anybody who represents "Liberalism", which is defined as anything they disagree with.
Marbles471 5 years ago
Please end the Bush Administration this coming election - and put Bush on trial!
aconnecte 5 years ago
Reply (shifteeeee): That's funny you're the one who is stealing the "eee's". Now we have a nationwide "E" shortage. Blame the Republicans. The one thing the Liberals are great at; "Name Calling." Is that a college course offered at your school? If it is you're not too good at it. That's how we will defeat the Terrorists, call them names until they can't take it any more and leave us alone. I will tell everyone to vote Liberal, so we can have world peace.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
How can anybody in their right mind say the Republicans have done a good job? If you hire a guy to paint your house and he ransacks it and sets it on fire, do you hire him again?
qxe 5 years ago
Spell checkers are free as well. tand?? Are all Liberals cry babies? There will be a lot of crying after the election. Here is a good stock tip "Kleenex"
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Your right, Justice for all. However the Liberals constantly suppress the news and side with American enemies. They do not care at all about the sovereignty of our nation and will do nothing to protect our country. If Liberals were in power during the Revolutionary War we would still paying Taxes to the King. Just look at CNN the Liberal Terrorist Network. They love broadcasting American Deaths they think it is good reporting.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Spell check didn't help you. It's "you're" right as in you are not "your" as in belonging to you. But that is not the most important thing that you're wrong about. Like most loud but wrong on the right (I'd guess shallow, black and white thinking, cool aid drinking, good vs. evil Neocon) you don't even listen to liberals to know what they think. I'm just learning about Nancy Pelosi but if we had more like her in DC the elephant crap that's in the Whitehouse wouldn't be ignored.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: FYI every Liberal idea that this country has experimented with has only been disastrous. All Libs should go live in a communistic country for at least a month or two. Maybe when you come back you will finally start to appreciate Capitalism. Capitalism made this country Great and Liberalism is only destroying it.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Liberals vs. capitalism? "LIBERALISM = socialism, communism, anti-Americanism, etc,"? What planet are you from iluvtits69 and what idiot have you been listening to? The dearth of intellect on the right is alarming. That's probably why your smartest in DC charged of in the wrong direction, without enough troops or a plan to fight terrorism and made the world worse. Das ok do dey got richer. Now liberals have to fix it. Unlike your nits, Pelosi and others do understand what Democracy means.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: You are another typical Liberal. When you can't win in a debate you resort to name calling. The fact that we have not been attacked in five years says enough about the war in Iraq. The Libs have no idea to defend this country however they have mastered the art of criticism. How about criticizing the enemy instead of us fellow Americans for a change. Why Do Libs Hate America So Much? Please go live in a Communistic country for a while.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
BTW iluvtits69, what you just said is just right wing partisan rhetoric and has nothing to do with what liberals think, What "disaster" has any liberal perpetrated on the US that's worse than the current debacle orchestrated by Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush et al? We've been so distracted by Iraq that we haven't even begun to sort out the multibillion dollar corruption, our broken defense system, etc. If this is the way the right defends this country, no thanks.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: Why do you only see the negative sides to war? War is war and people die just like when buildings get hit by air planes people die. Libs act as thou the Iraqi's never voted or nothing but bad things are happening in Iraq. This is what the Lib news media reports. I live in a heavy Lib area and all I see is a bunch of depressed whiny complaining Libs. You Libs thrive on bad news and will not look to the good in anything. I see it on a daily basis.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
War is negative there is nothing positive about war. The Iraq war was unnecessary and wrong. We did not have the right to unilaterally invade another country based on the deliberate deceit of a few people. Cheney and Rumsfelds arrogance along with the Presidents blatant incompetence produced every mistake imaginable in managing the "liberation" of Iraq. Why do you think Colin Powell left and so many good intelligent Generals (many Republicans) disagree with this administration?
easymike 5 years ago
Why do so many right-wingers think that it is un-American to criticize or discuss the faults of this country? We have many and will probably have more. The way we correct them is to face them and solve them Democratically. That's what this country is about. Telling someone if they don't like it to move to a communist country is un-American. BTW, look at how Clinton managed the country WITHOUT control of the house. His watch was not dysfunctional as this one is.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: and while he was controlling this country 500,000 people were murdered. The WTC was bombed. Women were Raped by him. His business associates were murdered mysteriously. He lied to a grand jury. Redefined the English dictionary. No Republican X-President has ever gone around the world with hate America Speech. Clinton and Carter go to other countries and talk bad about my country. Fuck the both of them.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Easymike: You seem to spend you time looking up left wing information and reciting their talking points. I keep an open mind to both sides of politics. I look at left wing blogs as well as right wing blogs. The left wing blogs are filled with many demented ideas. What the left wing write about parallels with the ideologies of Communism. Communism has failed every time is has been tried. Study on the philosophy of Capitalism it is truly about freedom then you can make an educated decision.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
iberals are not ideologues, that is rightwing propaganda. Neoconservatives are admitted ideologues.
easymike 5 years ago
I do not concern myself with talking points or sides really I am an independent. I do research the facts and the Bush Administration is the worse since James Buchanan. It is a veritable cluster f*@k. Nixon was a saint and Ford was a genius comparatively
easymike 5 years ago
The first part is just plain silly. Both Clinton and Carter do more to build alliances out of office than anyone in the Bush administration does. It's the Bush administration that makes us look bad around the world. We are thought of as fat, dumb and arrogant.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: Carter and Clinton are the worst post presidents we have ever had. To say you are an independent is laughable when you clearly stand up for Libs and call Republicans Neocons. I stand by my statement Liberals are Anti-American. Go live in a Comi country. You just hate America and afraid to admit who you are like ALL LIBS. I have nothing against porn but explain Jack Webb. George Allen is a good man and the left media has smeared him to death.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Have whatever opinion of Carter and Clinton you like iluvtits69 but it won't change reality or history. Carter is recognized, respected and requested as a Statesman world wide. His literary and humanitarian work is legendary and he is still at it at 81. Clinton is a highly intelligent politician and diplomat now applying his skills to humanitarian efforts. Sure he did a stupid thing when he got embarrassed and lied about a BJ. That's not the same as lying to invade another country
easymike 5 years ago
I defend liberals when the philosophy is correct iluvtits69. These days it usually is. I've have noticed that the right tends to get angry when faults that undermine the intrinsic values of this country are pointed out. To the right, this means that you hate America and should move to a communist country. The left presents fact upon reality based fact only to be accused of "smearing" without having one fact contradicted. Then the right will lie about what the left REALLY wants or thinks.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: we are only thought of fat, dumb and arrogant in the mind of the Liberals. This is what they have printed in our papers and have broadcasted around the world. The world views us the way the left media view us. That is a fact. When 3rd world dictators come to our county and spew liberal talking points, they are not coming from our Great Commander and Chief they are coming from the Leftist media. Clinton & Carter spew hate America talk throughout Europe all the time. That sickens me.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Unfortunately it does not come from any American. Ithas been a growing view expressed by those outside of this country because of the "arrogant white man" syndrome. You can't blame liberals for that and Clinton and Carter have never supported it.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: Libs have very short memories I have noticed over the years. Have you not seen all the news clips the Libs including your hero Clinton regarding the threats around the world? Bush went into Iraq based on the same information the house & senate had including all the Dems. It was a Bi-partisan vote we went in. The Liberal traitors stuck Bush in the back with a Knife. I hold all deaths of American service men since Bush landed on the carrier on the heads of the Liberals.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Easymike: I completely believe the Liberals can not handle a Bush Victory and are willing to destroy this Great Country to keep that from happening. Liberals do not care about death. They are willing to create life only to destroy it. There is much disagreement within the Liberal community because they have taken on many causes which conflict with one another. This is why they are all fucked up on environmental issues.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
iluvtits69:Winning in Iraq is just right wing election rhetoric. The SNAFU that led to the unplanned de-Baathification and disbanding of the Iraqi Army changed the coalition from liberators to occupiers in one fell swoop and made the area ripe for the Alqaeda and Iranian fueled insurgency. The idea of a "win", as we like to idealistically think about it, left as Paul Bremer clandestinely fled Iraq. The seeds of regional unrest, insurgency and possible civil war had been sewn.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: Much of what you say is debatable due the fact that we as the people are not privy to all the information our government has. Nor do I feel we as the public should be privy too. No one really knows what happens in any presidential administration. I feel All countries should have a chance at democracy and to feel we (Americans) are the only ones entitled to it would be considered arrogant. Clinton let 500,000 people die in Rwanda. You can not deny that.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
I have not presented anything here that is not supportable fact. I disagree with you about what the public should be privy to. That is a fundamental difference between a Liberal and a Neoconservative. I choose not to give that kind of power to the Government or a leader like Bush. I think people all over the world should have an opportunity to govern themselves. I don't think we have the right to tell them how. Ours is not the only brand of Democracy in the world. Just ask the European Union
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: So what you are saying it is OK for a Liberal President to have secrets but is not OK for a Republican to have national secrets. The EU has freedoms because of the US saving their ASS in WWII. Do you not know that. We also protected them during the cold war. Do you not know that. It was Reagan who ended the Cold war or are you in Denial about that as well.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
I do understand a need for a certain amount of confidentiality in government but some leaders ask for too much secrecy in order to usurp power. We need to stop beating that dead WWII horse and get with what's happening now. The Bush administration is intellectually bankrupt when it comes to European world affairs.
easymike 5 years ago
Actually I have a pretty good memory for most of the details of our Iraqi involvement iluvtits69 . What came to light after Colin Powell several generals, congress etc. were duped was that Rumsfeld and Cheney engineered the war through deception. Cheney refused to accept Tennent's (CIA and friend of Powell) report of no Al-Quaeda, no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Eventually Tennent was induced to lie to Powell and others. That's when Powell made his presentation to the UN
easymike 5 years ago
As for Webb and Allen I think it's a good fight. Too bad the Roveanator has had such a devastating effect on the style of politics in this country. We would probably stick more to issues otherwise. Webb stepped on his thang a couple of times and Allen made a fool of himself in front of a camera the all the other crap ensued. I am not sure whom I like better as a person but politically I'd choose Webb. I honestly think that the Democrats are for the common good.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: That's interesting George Allen is a Good Person. The fact you would support Webb just because he is a Democrat does not make you an Independent. I know a lot of Independents they vote for who they feel is the best candidate not by party affiliation. You did tell me earlier you are an Independent. All of your talking points are of Liberal in nature. I do not hide who I am. Why do Liberals?
iluvtits69 5 years ago
As I said, given the choices I think the Democrats are more philosophically correct. We have had a stagnant and dysfunctional system with the Republicans in power. They have given me every reason not to trust them with the well being of the country without the balace of thoughtful Democrats.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: The one thoughtful Democrat you have, the Libs did everything they could to get rid of him. "Joe Leiberman" he is currently kicking the shit out of "Led Lamo". As long as we Americans allow 3rd world dictators to rule unchecked we will always have Bull Shit problems to deal with. Bin Laden said it him self while Clinton was in office We are a "Paper Tiger" Reagon Would have taken him out after the first Trade Center episode. "The Great Reagon" One of the Best Ever.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
There rises the ugly head of arrogance. It is not up to Americans to unilaterally police other countries. The best way for us to encourage Democracies is to build alliances. The wrongful invasion of Iraq has damaged this process. Clinton best defends himself on Rwanda. It is sufficient to say that he knew that he couldn't (should') do it without a consensus.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: You are right the Libs are Arrogant and Elitist. To think people in 3rd world countries do not have the right to be free. To let people die without cause, tortured without cause. I can see why 3rd world dictators blame the US for their people's problems; they know Libs will not do anything about it. "By your own words." I would never be proud to admit being a Liberal. You actually opened my eyes as to why Libs will not admit being Liberal either.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
These are your words you are not quoting me nor any liberal. All this talk of third world dictators is academic. Please don't try any sophomoric straw man BS with me. What was the last country the Republicans or Neocons invaded for altruistic reasons?
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: You are speaking out of desperation now. The Libs have no idea how to handle world problems as well as internal problems with this country. This is why Bush is so despised by them. He has beaten you at every corner and the only thing Libs have left is this election and they will lie, deceive and spread propaganda to win. Libs can not win on the issues so they will not debate on them.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Easymike: I just re-read your last statement. It makes no sense to me. The Libs want us to go at N Korea unilaterally. You are also saying you want alliances to deal with Murderers in 3rd world countries. Well, which is it? No matter what Bush does, Unilaterally or Multilaterally he will be wrong in your view. This reaffirms my belief Bush, Cheney and the Great Rummy is absolutely correct with the tough decisions they had to make. Libs would rather see people die than make hard decisions.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
There is a big difference between unilateral discussions within and alliance and a unilateral invasion. I'm glad you are so enamored of the autocrats. Enjoy the cool aid while you can. They have been exposed for the despots they are.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: You are speaking out of desperation now. The Libs have no idea how to handle world problems as well as internal problems with this country. This is why Bush is so despised by them. He has beaten you at every corner and the only thing Libs have left is this election and they will lie, deceive and spread propaganda to win. Libs can not win on the issues so they will not debate on them.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Desperate for what? Don't start believing your own propaganda. Bush isn't so much despised as pitied for his embarrassing lack of ability to handle the position he was elected to. Cheney and Rumsfeld have been behind the scenes manipulators since before you were out of diapers. I made the statement when Bush first announced his candidacy that I wouldn't hire him to run water knowing that daddy had picked Cheney as handler. If anyone is to be despised its Chaney and Rumsfeld.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: Bush, Cheney and Rummy have done more to spread economic freedom throughout the world than any Lib has ever accomplished. I do not call giving away our wealth that we earned economic freedom. I look at what the Muslims are doing in Europe they are destroying that part of the world. The Liberal mind set just let them come on in now they are changing their society to a Secular one. See what appeasement get you.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Tell me one lie and one btt of propagabda that the liberals have spread and who spread it iluvtits69 .
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: I have no problems taking out a 3rd world dictator who abuses their power even if cost lives including American. This is what the world truly respects: POWER and not being afraid to use it. We are the leading Super Power and it is that way for a reason; because we know how to wield it. The Liberals are scared of it. I laugh at them for this. This why the world does not respect us they think we are all Libs here and Bush is the outcast.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Another fundamental difference between Neoconservatives and Liberals: Running of and blowing up some dislikable dictator does not connote the responsible use of POWER. As Iran and North Korea demonstrates, it only encourages smaller countries to want the same kind of POWER in the form of nuclear weapons or whatever else. Bush has proven that we know how to wield nothing, Due to the miss-micromanaging of Rumsfeld & company our war machine is severely broken. Super fools maybe
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: these countries will want nuclear weapons no matter what. As Bill Clinton proved with Bin Ladon he wanted to kill Americans and Bill appeased him all the way. As Albright admitted, the N Koreans did not keep up with their end of the bargain. There is No Bargaining with 3rd world dictators they have no regard for life; not even their own. They kill to intimidate. And as usual the Libs are intimidated. Third world dictators are scared of Bush and are hoping the Libs regain control.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Bill Clinton appeased Ben Laden? The North Koreans didn't keep up their end of the bargain because Bush didn't follow through on the deal Clinton cut. Followed by a number of ridiculous generalities? Please! Haven't you noticed? Even Bush has stopped playing the tough cowboy because it isn't believable. The only one buying the Bush propaganda are the cool aid drinking die hards. You still haven't attempted to answer one question that I have asked.
easymike 5 years ago
BTW most countries would trade WMD for economic freedom and security.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: Their people would gladly trade WMD's for economic freedom however their leaders will not. These leaders would rather die than give up their power. Quadafi in Lebanon saw what we were willing to do and he gave up. Showing strength works every time. The mighty soviets saw they could not keep up, so they gave up. To have world order we can't act as a "Paper Tiger" Clinton is Wimp and will always be one. What ?? are you talking about.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
The unilateral invasion of Iraq encourages terrorism and nuclear proliferation in the minds of smaller countries. What would you do or think if you knew that a bunch of "arrogant white men" from "the world power" would unilaterally invade your country because they suspected you of something? Of course Iran and North Korea think we will invade them in a heartbeat. Yes they think nukes will make us think twice. I fear the arrogant backward thinking of Neocons more than terrorists.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: These countries fear us and that is a good thing. They also fear Russia and China that is also a good thing. Have you not listened to Osomas rhetoric he wants world domination; PERIOD. What don't you understand about this? He will kill you, your family and any other person who gets in his way. It is people like you I fear. It is not our Republican controlled government. The Libs would gladly turn over military secrets if they think madmen would leave alone. You are a Fool.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
During our discussion iluvtits69, I have asked several questions and instead of answering them you have suggested that I am an America hating communist sympathizer who ought to leave this country as if the generations of military, public service and taxes my family has invested are meaningless. Is the etiquette of the brave new world or the demise of true American values?
easymike 5 years ago
Clinton had North Korea willing to give up nukes for oil. Bush didn't like it he wanted your approach. You wonder why we are loosing world respect? Our "might" is not respected and our behavior is reviled.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: Come on; Kim Jung only gave the food Clinton supplied to him to his army and then sold off the rest to purchase arms. All this happened while your Hero Clinton was in office. If you honestly believe this is about oil you are a complete sucker to the Liberal media. Kim is a complete wack job and if you are willing to take his side while basing our government than I will stand by my statement. Liberals are traitors. Kim starves, tortures and kill his own people. Libs are compassionate?
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Learn to read. I didn't say it was about oil I said North Korea was offered oil. Something they desperately need. Of course the people of North Korea are starving. Sanctions help lots. As I said the arrogant backward thinking of Neocons frightens me more than terrorists do. You honestly believe that might will make right in the world. Do you need to be shown how many times that has been prove wrong throughout the centuries?
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: Look no matter what you think there will never be peace in this world. If it is not N Korea it will be another country. It will be another country after another country. Nothing will stop wars from happening. It is delusional to think other wise. That is the way it is and always will be. The best way to minimize death and destruction is to nip it the but as soon as possible. Appeasing will only prolong the inevitable. This has always leads to more death and destruction.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Whatever the future of our world is I am increasingly convinced that I don't want it determined by shallow, black and white, good vs. evil minded ideologues that believe they are omniscient enough and have the right to "nip it in the bud".
easymike 5 years ago
"I see the world in black and white, Nancy Pelosi never does, you know, I think that's dangerous in a time of terror." Say's Bill O'Reilly. I don't know very much about Nancy Pelosi but his comment gives me reason to have more respect for her abilities as representative in Congress
easymike 5 years ago
People are too often tempted to simplify their view on the world to black and white especially when under pressure. When a situation is too complicated to understand or too time consuming to resolve quickly people fall back on black-or-white thinking. It is undoubtedly comforting to feel as though the problem has been solved but this has nothing to do with reality. No problem, no situation, no challenge in our complicated, multicolored and textured world is that simple
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: the world is more blank & white than you think. Our country was founded on the concept of Capitalism. I do not believe our forefathers could have predicted what they gave birth to is as successful it has become. It is a concept simple by design. Just allow people to explore and do what they were born to do. This why we threaten dictator/communistic/socialistic societies. Nancy Pelosi does not believe in Capitalism. Yet this concept lies within every human being on earth.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
It's sadly obvious that you have to invent positions and lies for the other side in order to defend your own. This has been a consistent pattern on the right. You have not heard a Democrat, Liberal or Progressive running for office ever espouse communism, socialism or be anti capitalistic. Your comment about Nancy Pelosi is an outright lie. She is the 8th richest person in Congress and her husband is an investment banker.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: and you said you do not know much about her. That was a lie as well. And while she most of money in an overseas bank account protected from taxes she wants to raise yours. But you are a Lib and Libs love to pay taxes.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
OH NO! You're not flip flopping are you? Not a good Neocon like you!. So now Nancy beleives in capitalism all of a sudden? Will wonders never cease.
easymike 5 years ago
BTW I visited this site to learn about Nancy, I did not lie. Sometimes one can know a little and want to know more.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: I used to design & build restaurants for a living. I have helped many people live the American Dream over the years. A lot of these people did not speak English; yet they became successful here. Many of my clients have told me there was no opportunity in there country because the concept of Capitalism does not exist. Their government kept their society suppress.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Easymike: The free market society scares Socialistic based governments because they feel the need to control every aspect of their citizens lives. If you take a serious look at what Liberals vote on and try to get passed through legislation you will discover that it parallels with a social agenda. Free market will do more to increase wages than government demands ever will. Besides every time wages go up so does the cost at the register.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Most issues facing our society like terrorism, the ecology, the economy and world alliances are extremely complex. Many facets and facts come from many people and countries. It takes extensive knowledge and cooperation to evaluate and act upon the facts that will affect millions of people. Simplistic, black-and-white thinking will produce bad decisions and poor leadership. In fact, it already has.
easymike 5 years ago
"... I think there are villains that want to kill us, you know, and if you don't accept that, your odds of dying go higher" Mr. O'Reilly admonishes. What does this mean in a black and white world? Should we grab a gun or a bomb and go blow up something or shoot someone? How will we know when we have found and killed all the villains? Maybe we should give all of your rights to an incompetent President and administration and let them decide. I know what seems more dangerous to me.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: are you saying 60% of the American is stupid and incompetent. Bush won by on the widest margin in history. So did Reagan. The only people who say the President is incompetent and dumb are elitist Liberals. "Hmm" I do not agree with everything this administration has done but I am confident they are making tough decisions and getting it right enough times to get the job done.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
OK back to reality based reality. GW Bush won by one of the narrowist margins and his disaproval rate is closer to 60%. Hmm, I guess a whole bunch of Americans decided to become "elitist Liberals". (Isn't that an oxymoron)
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: I am talking about the 2004 election. That's easy to say when the majority of the polls are conducted by Liberal bias pollsters. Ie NY Times, News Week, Zogby and the list goes on and on. Most Republicans are working for a living while lazy freeloaders are staying home to answer the phone. Of course the recipients of free gov. money are going to favor the Libs. The polls have not gotten it right in many years.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
lol
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: Gotcha
iluvtits69 5 years ago
excuse me, that's "narrowest"
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: I graduated from a Liberal controlled school district. What do you expect.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
easymike: I did not realize you were correcting youself. You are not the only battle I have going on.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Easymike: I do not know if you are aware of this but most of the Liberal news organization are loosing money and cutting costs on a grand scale. They have lost the trust of the American people and in a free market society if you do not put a quality product you will disappear. The Libs should be careful with what they try to market in this society.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
What, me worry? :>) The experiment is over and the emperor has no clothes.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: I am with you "easymike" the Liberal experiment is almost over. "Halleluiah" It did not work. So lets get rid of all the social programs that do not work which is most of them. Downsize the gov. and lower taxes. We can finally be a lone superpower and show the rest of the world what works well as a government. "CAPITIOLISM" It took a while but I am glad you see the light. "Yea"
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Can't you come up with your own accurate stuff. So far most of what you say is either an error, mistake, lie or just palin wrong.
easymike 5 years ago
easymike: "palin"?? Hmm Are you flustered?
iluvtits69 5 years ago
I've made other typos is that the first one you've caught?
easymike 5 years ago
easymike: No, I thought you were correcting me earlier. "narrowest" but you correcting yourself.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
easymike: I find it ironic you accuse me of "Can't you come up with your own accurate stuff" when you are the one spouting off right out of playbook Liberal talking points. I have countered everything you have thrown at me with my own thoughts and life's experiences. Typical Lib however; to accuse someone else of lying, making an error, mistakes or just being wrong. I would not expect anything less than this comment coming from you. So how is the clam chowder where you live?
iluvtits69 5 years ago
First, I was commenting on your attempt to usurp my comment "The experiment is over and the emperor has no clothes."
Most of my comments are based on real situations about the current administration and are supportable by facts. Many are from or based on letters I've written to various people because nothing or not enough was being said. I do write to support or encourage the Democratic position but it's my playbook.
easymike 5 years ago
Most of your assertions have been made up and false general views of liberals and their philosophies ala O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, etc as encouraged by Rove. That whole strategy is to lie and deceive until people believe it. You never hear liberals espouse the things you (they) say.
I have challenged, without rebuttal, the voracity of several of your comments while you have not challenged any statement about a real issue that I cannot support. A lie is what it is.
easymike 5 years ago
easymike: You are right a lie is a lie like when you told me you are an Independent. You are as Liberal as can be. You only support Liberal point of views. Yes I do listen to Rush, Sean, and Mark Levin. They back up what they say. I have been a republican all my life. Long before these guys came onto the seen. I have voted Republican for the past 25 years. I started listening to them because the old news media has been slanted to the left for several decades. Fox news has become #1.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Easymike: It is the Libs who demand government control in every little aspect of business. I used to be an employer for 20 years. It is the Libs who intrude into our personal lives. Your hero Clinton the "Enchelon" program. You Libs run when that is brought up. So do not tell me Bush is the Liar when it is the Libs who lie and lie.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Please identify one liberal lie. I identify one thing that I have presented that is not true and cannot defend and I will admit it.
BTW I have been an employer since 1974 and I see no incongruity in supporting what I think is for the common good. That may mean supporting what you call a liberal point of view, so be it. Independents are allowed to do that.
easymike 5 years ago
Please tell me how "Libs ... demand government control in every little aspect of business". And how "Libs ... intrude into our personal lives" otherwise they are just empty words.
Clinton is not my hero just a politician that I respect much more than GW Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld combined.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: So do you respect John Kerry more than GW Bush, Cheney, or Rumsfeld combined? Before you answer that Think of John Kerry as a Republican. And how his comment would have played in the Liberal media.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
What does right wing spin on a Kerry faux pas have to do with anything iluvtits69? GW Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld with the help of Wolfowitz and others lied and deceived the U.S. into a wrong and unnecessary war in Iraq. They did so against the advise of those who knew better. They again ignored wiser advice and bungled the execution of the war costing thousands of lives and billions of dollars while leaving Iraq, the U.S. and the world worse off. The question is, who is more despicable
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: why do you try to convince me you are an independent when you are 100% Liberal? Are you embarrassed to be one because you know what you stand for? The defeat of America. You Libs love when America looses at something. I doubt you even route for the US when we are in the Olympics. You cheer on every other country and are pissed off when our Olympiads stand up there with the gold. You will not be happy until Capitalism is completely abolished. Are you even American?
iluvtits69 5 years ago
This is pure stupidity. Are't you embarrassed having said it?
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: lets talk about the facts, people die in war. You have admitted earlier that you do not care who dies in this world by brutal dictators. This is pathetic. As far as wars go, very few people have died in this one. Schools are being built, water is running, the power grid is functioning and oil is pumping. The Iraqi's are enjoying freedoms they have not had before. By the way they do not want us to leave any time soon. As the NYT has admitted Sadom was within a year of building WMD.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
"You have admitted earlier that you do not care who dies in this world by brutal dictators." I never said this it is an outright lie.
"As the NYT has admitted Sadom was within a year of building WMD" I read the article and this is a desperate right wing reach
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: I bet you enjoy all the American deaths which have occurred; it fuels your fire and hatred for your great country. You know Kerry was speaking his true thoughts. He has always talked bad about our Great Military. You have spun everything I have commented on and answered nothing directly. That is what Liberals do. Remember Kerry voted for it before he voted against it. What a "Dick" To answer you question Kerry is more despicable. This is a direct answer.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
More stupidity
easymike 5 years ago
Show me one thing that I have "spun". All you have to do is read the posts. They speak for themselves.
easymike 5 years ago
If your one direct answer is that Kerry is more despicable than "the gang who couldn't shoot straight" then we have no intellectual common ground.
easymike 5 years ago
You are free to believe all the Neocon lies and gibberish that makes you feel comfortable. I am just thankful that your kind is becoming more of a minority each day. It gives hope for this country and he world.
In the mean time, you still have not even attempted to answer one question that I have put to you. You are unable to contradict one thing that I've said. Your only comeback is more lies about what YOU think I think or what YOU think liberals think. Not one quote or verifiable fact
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: I asked you earlier if you would only read the paragraphs; What is the question? I have asked you many questions most of which you avoid. You have not presented me with any fact just what I hear in the leftist media on a regular basis. I have herd nothing new from you that I have not herd before.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Easymike: here are some facts for you. Center for Media and Public Affairs. (cmpa.com) Look them up, you will they are legitimate. Here is some proof the media is bias: 88% negative coverage for the GOP vs. 77% positive press for the DNC. This is in regards to the election. The press is supposed to report the news and let the people decide. I have hated watching the news for about 5 years. Out of the 5 major news networks Fox is the most fair. Their slogan is "We Report You Decide."
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Easymike: I do not agree with everything on Fox but at least they are not One sided. I do not want hear about the Dems being angles and that is why they get all the good press and the Gop only deserves bad press. I pointed out to you there have been a lot of positive things out of Iraq. You do not even try to address this. You have consistently been negative just like the media in this country. I have been questioning you're intellect since I have been communicating with you.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Easymike: You know a lot of big words "So What" big words mean nothing to me and they will not solve the problems of the world. I have asked you many times "Why Do You Hide The Fact You Are A Liberal?" You have reefed to me as a neocon many times when I am just a Republican. Neocons are referred to the Conservative side of the Republican party. I have made that very clear to you I am a "Republican."
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Easymike: why are the Liberal leaders hiding ie. Nancy Pelosi, Ted Kennedy even Kerry was supposed to be in hiding. What are they hiding? Our leaders are out campaigning and letting people know what our plan is for the future of our country. Why have not the Dems announced any plan? Is it because they do not have one? Is it because they know people will not vote for it? Are you against the verdict of Sadom Hussain today?
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Easymike: I can easily say to you "do not believe the Leftist propaganda you hear" I have listened to both sides for many years. I believe our country is best served with strong Republican leadership with some Liberal points of view mixed in. That is the way I have felt for about two decades and I no intentions of changing my mind.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Easymike: lets talk about our economy. Unemployment 4.4%, the dow at 12,000+, the middle class doing better than ever. It is the middle class who has cut in half our deficit; they are spending more today than in the past several years. The only ones who are saying the middle class is in trouble are the usual suspects; the Gloom and Doom Libs. With all the media bias who are against this administration. I have one of the best financial years in a long time. I love Bush tax cuts.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Our poverty rate, which is among the highest in the developed world, has increased each year for the last four years. It was 12.6% in 2005 expected to top13% this year. The homeless in major cities is growing rapidly 3.5 million at last count. The rich are doing OK while the middle class is treading water. The real estate market is not helping. And don't forget to include inflation in the stock market. I don't think the picture will painted as rosy after elections.
easymike 5 years ago
Easymike: if you did not have good financial years then look to yourself. Do not blame Bush I know a lot of people who have done well the past couple of years. The housing market is down and people are buying at a good price. They will be selling at profit when the market improves. Wow, Capitalism works. We do not need the government telling us how to make money. We only need to understand how Capitalism works. I do not believe in payroll taxes how about you.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Easymike: Lets talk about Nancy Pelosi a huge hypocrite. She wants to raise taxes, supports illegal immigration and is friendly with unions. She owns a vineyard, she hires illegal immigrants and uses non-union help while other vineyards must have union help. She has the bulk of her wealth in off shore accounts to avoid taxes. You think she is great. Nancy does not dispute any of this. Where is Nancy? Why is she in hiding? Does not want to take the chance of exposing her self to the people.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Please don't confuse right wing propaganda with facts.
easymike 5 years ago
Bush's economics are totally communist. What is $2B per week in war spending? What is No Child Left Behind? Putting Church under State. Totally commie.
dilbertgeg 5 years ago
LIBERALISM = socialism, communism, anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, traitor to this country, rights to our enemies, suppression of speech, suppression of the press, white guilt, keeping people down, negativity, keeping blacks in their place-welfare society. Is all this really good for America? November 7th is approaching.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Um "Liberty and justice for all" It's the Constitution. So Roosevelt, Kennedy, LBJ, Carter, Clinton - were anti-American communists? Think a bit before you write anything will ya?
jasonshure 5 years ago
Your right, Justice for all. However the Liberals constantly suppress the news and side with American enemies. They do not care at all about the sovereignty of our nation and will do nothing to protect our country. If Liberals were in power during the Revolutionary War we would still paying Taxes to the King. Just look at CNN the Liberal Terrorist Network. They love broadcasting American Deaths they think it is good reporting.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
Liberals LAUNCHED the Revolutionary War. Conservatives, Tories, wanted to KEEP the aristocracy under King George.
dilbertgeg 5 years ago
Dilbertgeg: You must have spent many extra years going through Liberal controlled public schools to say something so stupid. I am serious, just how long did you attend the public school system? Did the students around you look up to as an adult figure and address you as Mr./Miss.?
iluvtits69 5 years ago
It's the neo-cons who are trying to suppress speech and the press, who are giving huge tax brakes to the same corporations that are shipping American jobs over seas, who are war profiteering in Iraq all the while creating more U.S. hostility the world over, and who refuse to grant Americans a living wage. Nov. 7th IS approaching. Wake up to reality, do what is good for America: vote Democrat.
thecrashingfalcon 5 years ago
Thecrashingfalcon: Let me guess your Liberal Professor told you all this.
iluvtits69 5 years ago
No one has to tell anybody this; it's reality. Instead of guessing where I get my info from, you should research the state of the nation yourself. And believing mis-information from the mouths of Rush or Coulter doesn't count as research!
thecrashingfalcon 5 years ago
This is the first video of Nancy Pelosi that I've seen and I have to admit that I agree strongly with her political stance on the mentioned issues.
consciousdreamy 5 years ago