Ok for soft small moguls like those-of course you can ski them like you're on piste-but what if you want speed control on steep icy moguls-you have to use the back of the mogul for speed reduction, and with this method there's not enough ski/snow contact. Messy.
pugetking The technique to slow down by hitting the mogul would be Msnet's way it is called speed control by Absorbing and extending. SVMM uses A & E to get the skis back on the snow and yes then carves there turns to control speed.
@cordeauski Seems to me SVMM is just good basic ski tech using "proper weight distribution". Getting the ski to work the way its designed, not hurting yourself
and having fun skiing! Wonder why more people haven't come to the same conclusion?
The harder it gets the more technique the skier needs. Unless you like to take a beating by slamming the moguls. It takes a lot of time and practice to ski. Use the technique the skier is practicing. Why in the world would you think that when the run is steeper or the moguls are big and random that the technique would not work? It does............................................................................................................
my guess the skier in video has knee problems as well as back problems from skiing this kind of style.Valgus Malalignment has to do with mechanics, and not ego or opinions. Valgus Malalignment, is real and when the force of skiing drives it, the outcome at some point will result in injury; skid pivot is not a desirable method as well,
A knee that is perfectly aligned has its load-bearing axis on a line that runs down the middle of the leg -- through the hip, knee and ankle. When the knee is not perfectly aligned, otherwise known as malaligned, it is known as either varus (bow legged) or valgus alignment (knock-kneed). There is a link between knee malalignment and knee osteoarthritis
this degree of angulation displayed by skier will most likely result in the joint degradation or at one point in the athletes career .
Joey Cordeau's the Master. I'd believe anything he says about bump skiing. It always amazes me when "skiers" dis other skiers about where & how they ski. I admire the skiers who can do it all--powder, park, pipe, bumps, aerials--it's all good!
The old man showed Shane how to do it and if you guys try to get some face shots you might improve your skiing.Its called progression of the turn. This does not happen over night. Congrats to Shane for taking this to another level. If you are really interested in improving your tech get the video Real Moguls Expert Runs available on Amazon. This is how Shane Skis. Learned from the old men. Think about it.Ski Above And Below The Fall Line. Song at end of video is Keep On Moving By Paul Wilcox.
HEY! We don't need no stink'n ol'men boof'n powder bumps, mogul skiers want to see some 2009 Shane competition runs, especially dual format battles. Lucas wants to see Shane push Kingsbury to the finish. Racers ready...
ski school not using your skis as they are designed and not just sliding try to load your skis into reverse camber that is how they get rebound energy in your skis is what you need to get
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Stop the fighting. Everone on my mountain skis that good cause they all went to ski school. If you want to lean to ski better, your not going to lean it here fighting, I promise you that. except for the part to get into ski school. The whole point of this video is to show you what a little ski school can do for you.
The guy in orange is 55 years old the arms are wide so he can ski above and below the fall line.Most people are locked up below the fall line.Whether accelerating or decelerating you need to do it above the fall line.Make the 1st half of your turn skiing into the fall line and the 2nd half away from the fall line.You must learn to put pressure on the new carving edge above the fall line,and carry it all the way through the complete turn.Resulting in a round carved turn,dictating speed&rhythm.
DG320 you better try to use more of these techs if the moguls get bigger or if they have big troughs or holes the S.V.M.M. works better when the moguls get harder to ski or bigger the method is used for the expert runs the steeper and bigger the moguls the better.
Without Mogul/freestyle skiing,there would not be any free skiing today. Did you know Mike Douglas was a canadian national mogul skier?
did you know Tanner Hall, Heath Ordway, and Ben wheeler was member of snowbird freestyle team?(I knew him when he was like 9-10, what a skiing prodigy he was)
Good bump skiers can outski 99% of the mags out there on any kind of terrain. Anybody can strap 100mm underfoot and ski pow. Moguls separates the men from the make-believe "experts". The guys who jump off cliffs but ski anything else (especially bumps)like dog shit.
you wanna know what i think is really funny; the fact that the majority of the mogul vids on youtube are from like 1990-1993, that says a lot about mogul skiing. it is an old mans sport and the only part of it that takes any skill is the jumping, (nice cork 7 btw) people see this and think it is skiing, it is the lamest form of skiing by far! i guarantee you that the skiers highlight of the run is the jumping so why wouldnt you just park ski so you dont have to deal with goin around piles o snow
i think indeed people take less interest in mogul skiing these days. i guess it has to do with the evolution of the ski itself: shorter carved skies are nice for acing on the groomed and in parks but are not particularly suited for bumping. Make no mistake, good bump skiers are one of the best skiers on any terrain, it's a valuable all-mountain technique
you are faggott steeze bot who thinks he is good when really you can barely make it to the terrain park. [BTW i would kick i your ass in the park and pipe and moguls] How can you say the shit you do when more freeriders that are good, unlike you, come from moguls. try to ski you fag. by the way who are they gonna remember after tanner hall you dumb ass. freeride is the freestyle of the seventies lets see how long its DOPE! you asshole. is your sport in the olympics. By the way i wanna meet you.
hahahahaha, why the fuck would you think i care what you you say. if you are comparing yourself to the videos on my profile then think again. first of all we only filmed like 5 days total at the biggining of the season. second of all, why the fuck would i want to meet your dumb ass. I should report you for being an online predator.lol. enter the copper series skier open class this season and we will see who is better.
@BRECKsteezeMONKEY970 hey you fucking idiot. How the hell would skiing sustain itself if we had a bunch of idiots like you skiing the park all day being an asshole to any beginners who try to learn how to ski. I am a freestyle ski instructor at Copper Mountain, CO. I've done double flips, cork 10s, and none of that shit is as hard as mogul skiing. You need to learn how to ski. Mogul skiing is the hardest form of skiing that there is. period. I hope you come to Copper so I can kick your ass idiot
The technique most well known and strived for by recreational skiers these days is carving. Imagine you want to sell some instructional material on bumping, how would you approach it? Exactly, drop the word carving whenever you can. Not to the benefit of the aspiring bump skier cause carving and bumping don't have a lot in common. In fact, in high, difficult mogul fields it's physically impossible to arc you skies. Btw i don't see any round nor carved turns in this vid
what about the guy arching in the end of the trailer. how do you determine a carve " by the radius of what the ski says" if so you aRE a dumb ass. in this video the people skiing have to end the turn early in order to maintain their tight turns which are much tighter than any slalom turn. and the comment on round what the fuck is your head up your ass or are you blind. i bet the guys in this video could kick your bitch ass on and off the hill. come to sun valley and just try to hang with them.
685 your right if the tip of the ski goes were the tail goes and the ski was bent in reverse camber like a leaf spring on a car and when you ended your turn it with a check you rebounded you into your next turn it was a carve.Don't think it is laying down rails that is the only way to carve your skis.Laying rails is cool but not all skiing should be.
not going to micro-analyze this vid:If you're into that go to the epicski forums.I agree with sopol78 's comment: no doubt the guys in this vid are great.However when entering a difficult field with irregular,steep,icy moguls and deep troughs you better forget all you know about carving technique.never skied sun valley as i live in europe but if you'd want to make it down alive a natural mogul field in for example Verbier then please don't try so with technique even remotely resembling carving
DG320, When is the last time a racer abandon carving on an icy course? Same deal in the moguls. Carving keeps you in control. I discussed this on Epic last year at lentgh (SVMM carving in moguls vs traditional carving on groomed). I have spent many years carving on soft and icy moguls. Works both places - It is best to "see to believe". You should visit us before the $ goes up against the Euro. It will be a cheap and fun vacation, relatively speaking.
Nice video but very short. I am not so sure about this new technique though. Sure, if you are a former WC mogul skier, with strong legs and perfect balance skiing on those moguls far apart and perfect conditions, you can hold up with carving but as soon as things get bigger, deeper, tighter, steeper, and you are a weekend skier, you better forget about carving techniques on moguls.
This technique works very well for recreational skiers on any mogul run, but it takes practice. To learn the SVMM style, you should ski slow on beginner/intermediate moguls. The DVD, A Weekend Warrior's Guide to Real Moguls, Expert Runs, explains how to do this and how to practice the techniques on groomed slopes. It will actually help make you a better skier in all conditions, on all types of runs.
Where the hell do you people find mogule runs like these. ive skiied most of colorado and only found maybe one or two runs that even compare to the bumps in this video. Breck, A-bay, Snowmass, Keystone, all the big names and more, but not one uniform mogule run. suggestions?
Not bad, a little back seat and carves from the boots back. Needs to get more forward and use the tips to initite the turn. Whoever was going at pace through the bumps was demonstrating great form.
Its not about the pivot, the skid, or the carve. Its about the hottest new mogul skiing technique, SVMM. Google Weekend Warrior's Guide to Expert Skiing to learn more.
Oh, wow... no comments here as yet? Cool! Let's make rules!
Rule #1: Can we all somehow refrain from the inevitable, boring, definitional discussion concerning questions such as "Is it a pivot, is it a skid, is it a carve?"
Right across the tops WFO. Or jump one or two at a time is fun.
01sircharles 6 days ago
BS Fitfadst8
cordeauski 9 months ago
Ok for soft small moguls like those-of course you can ski them like you're on piste-but what if you want speed control on steep icy moguls-you have to use the back of the mogul for speed reduction, and with this method there's not enough ski/snow contact. Messy.
FitFast8 1 year ago
josmuckatella The skiers in the video ages range from 56,55,23,25, and no knee or back issues. They ski over 100 days for over 38 years.
cordeauski 1 year ago
pugetking good ? don"t know why they fight it tooth and nail. They should be jumping on the wagon instead of off.
cordeauski 1 year ago
pugetking The technique to slow down by hitting the mogul would be Msnet's way it is called speed control by Absorbing and extending. SVMM uses A & E to get the skis back on the snow and yes then carves there turns to control speed.
cordeauski 1 year ago
@cordeauski Seems to me SVMM is just good basic ski tech using "proper weight distribution". Getting the ski to work the way its designed, not hurting yourself
and having fun skiing! Wonder why more people haven't come to the same conclusion?
pugetking 1 year ago
Way cool skiing! but shouldn't the skier hit the back of the mogul to slow down
instead of carving the ski?
pugetking 1 year ago
Way cool skiing! but shouldn't the skier hit the back of the mogul to slow down
instead of carving the ski?
pugetking 1 year ago
The harder it gets the more technique the skier needs. Unless you like to take a beating by slamming the moguls. It takes a lot of time and practice to ski. Use the technique the skier is practicing. Why in the world would you think that when the run is steeper or the moguls are big and random that the technique would not work? It does............................................................................................................
cordeauski 1 year ago
my guess the skier in video has knee problems as well as back problems from skiing this kind of style.Valgus Malalignment has to do with mechanics, and not ego or opinions. Valgus Malalignment, is real and when the force of skiing drives it, the outcome at some point will result in injury; skid pivot is not a desirable method as well,
josmuckatella 1 year ago
Valgus Malalignment
josmuckatella 1 year ago
Valgus Malalignment
josmuckatella 1 year ago
Valgus Malalignment
knee injury will result
josmuckatella 1 year ago
@josmuckatella INJURY will happen when not skiing technically by the skid pivot
cordeauski 1 year ago
Valgus Malalignment
josmuckatella 1 year ago
A knee that is perfectly aligned has its load-bearing axis on a line that runs down the middle of the leg -- through the hip, knee and ankle. When the knee is not perfectly aligned, otherwise known as malaligned, it is known as either varus (bow legged) or valgus alignment (knock-kneed). There is a link between knee malalignment and knee osteoarthritis
this degree of angulation displayed by skier will most likely result in the joint degradation or at one point in the athletes career .
josmuckatella 1 year ago
Joey Cordeau's the Master. I'd believe anything he says about bump skiing. It always amazes me when "skiers" dis other skiers about where & how they ski. I admire the skiers who can do it all--powder, park, pipe, bumps, aerials--it's all good!
carysamidaho 2 years ago 10
The old man showed Shane how to do it and if you guys try to get some face shots you might improve your skiing.Its called progression of the turn. This does not happen over night. Congrats to Shane for taking this to another level. If you are really interested in improving your tech get the video Real Moguls Expert Runs available on Amazon. This is how Shane Skis. Learned from the old men. Think about it.Ski Above And Below The Fall Line. Song at end of video is Keep On Moving By Paul Wilcox.
cordeauski 3 years ago
what is the last song in this video?
CatieAnime 3 years ago
HEY! We don't need no stink'n ol'men boof'n powder bumps, mogul skiers want to see some 2009 Shane competition runs, especially dual format battles. Lucas wants to see Shane push Kingsbury to the finish. Racers ready...
nailbenderx 3 years ago
ski school not using your skis as they are designed and not just sliding try to load your skis into reverse camber that is how they get rebound energy in your skis is what you need to get
cordeauski 3 years ago
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Stop the fighting. Everone on my mountain skis that good cause they all went to ski school. If you want to lean to ski better, your not going to lean it here fighting, I promise you that. except for the part to get into ski school. The whole point of this video is to show you what a little ski school can do for you.
hangemhigh2000 3 years ago
The guy in orange is 55 years old the arms are wide so he can ski above and below the fall line.Most people are locked up below the fall line.Whether accelerating or decelerating you need to do it above the fall line.Make the 1st half of your turn skiing into the fall line and the 2nd half away from the fall line.You must learn to put pressure on the new carving edge above the fall line,and carry it all the way through the complete turn.Resulting in a round carved turn,dictating speed&rhythm.
cordeauski 3 years ago
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The guy with the orange pants has his arms way too wide, they should be right in front of you in the very bottom of your vision.
favcanadian 3 years ago
DG320 you better try to use more of these techs if the moguls get bigger or if they have big troughs or holes the S.V.M.M. works better when the moguls get harder to ski or bigger the method is used for the expert runs the steeper and bigger the moguls the better.
cordeauski 3 years ago
If you can't ski moguls at full speed, then hey, you can't claim to be an expert skier.
captaintanuki 3 years ago 4
Without Mogul/freestyle skiing,there would not be any free skiing today. Did you know Mike Douglas was a canadian national mogul skier?
did you know Tanner Hall, Heath Ordway, and Ben wheeler was member of snowbird freestyle team?(I knew him when he was like 9-10, what a skiing prodigy he was)
akikat2 3 years ago
Good bump skiers can outski 99% of the mags out there on any kind of terrain. Anybody can strap 100mm underfoot and ski pow. Moguls separates the men from the make-believe "experts". The guys who jump off cliffs but ski anything else (especially bumps)like dog shit.
Dogyeller77 3 years ago
brecksteezemonkey thats just a opinion ive skied everything from bowls to terrain and i think moguls are the hardest and best part of skiing
grrimapirate69 3 years ago
you wanna know what i think is really funny; the fact that the majority of the mogul vids on youtube are from like 1990-1993, that says a lot about mogul skiing. it is an old mans sport and the only part of it that takes any skill is the jumping, (nice cork 7 btw) people see this and think it is skiing, it is the lamest form of skiing by far! i guarantee you that the skiers highlight of the run is the jumping so why wouldnt you just park ski so you dont have to deal with goin around piles o snow
BRECKsteezeMONKEY970 3 years ago
i think indeed people take less interest in mogul skiing these days. i guess it has to do with the evolution of the ski itself: shorter carved skies are nice for acing on the groomed and in parks but are not particularly suited for bumping. Make no mistake, good bump skiers are one of the best skiers on any terrain, it's a valuable all-mountain technique
DG320 3 years ago
you are faggott steeze bot who thinks he is good when really you can barely make it to the terrain park. [BTW i would kick i your ass in the park and pipe and moguls] How can you say the shit you do when more freeriders that are good, unlike you, come from moguls. try to ski you fag. by the way who are they gonna remember after tanner hall you dumb ass. freeride is the freestyle of the seventies lets see how long its DOPE! you asshole. is your sport in the olympics. By the way i wanna meet you.
shoedog685 3 years ago 2
hahahahaha, why the fuck would you think i care what you you say. if you are comparing yourself to the videos on my profile then think again. first of all we only filmed like 5 days total at the biggining of the season. second of all, why the fuck would i want to meet your dumb ass. I should report you for being an online predator.lol. enter the copper series skier open class this season and we will see who is better.
BRECKsteezeMONKEY970 3 years ago
@BRECKsteezeMONKEY970 hey you fucking idiot. How the hell would skiing sustain itself if we had a bunch of idiots like you skiing the park all day being an asshole to any beginners who try to learn how to ski. I am a freestyle ski instructor at Copper Mountain, CO. I've done double flips, cork 10s, and none of that shit is as hard as mogul skiing. You need to learn how to ski. Mogul skiing is the hardest form of skiing that there is. period. I hope you come to Copper so I can kick your ass idiot
Beesley14 2 years ago 2
Valgus Malalignment
josmuckatella 1 year ago
now that is what i call a mogul field!
Fulham123456789 3 years ago
The technique most well known and strived for by recreational skiers these days is carving. Imagine you want to sell some instructional material on bumping, how would you approach it? Exactly, drop the word carving whenever you can. Not to the benefit of the aspiring bump skier cause carving and bumping don't have a lot in common. In fact, in high, difficult mogul fields it's physically impossible to arc you skies. Btw i don't see any round nor carved turns in this vid
DG320 4 years ago
what about the guy arching in the end of the trailer. how do you determine a carve " by the radius of what the ski says" if so you aRE a dumb ass. in this video the people skiing have to end the turn early in order to maintain their tight turns which are much tighter than any slalom turn. and the comment on round what the fuck is your head up your ass or are you blind. i bet the guys in this video could kick your bitch ass on and off the hill. come to sun valley and just try to hang with them.
shoedog685 3 years ago 2
685 your right if the tip of the ski goes were the tail goes and the ski was bent in reverse camber like a leaf spring on a car and when you ended your turn it with a check you rebounded you into your next turn it was a carve.Don't think it is laying down rails that is the only way to carve your skis.Laying rails is cool but not all skiing should be.
cordeauski 3 years ago
not going to micro-analyze this vid:If you're into that go to the epicski forums.I agree with sopol78 's comment: no doubt the guys in this vid are great.However when entering a difficult field with irregular,steep,icy moguls and deep troughs you better forget all you know about carving technique.never skied sun valley as i live in europe but if you'd want to make it down alive a natural mogul field in for example Verbier then please don't try so with technique even remotely resembling carving
DG320 3 years ago
DG320, When is the last time a racer abandon carving on an icy course? Same deal in the moguls. Carving keeps you in control. I discussed this on Epic last year at lentgh (SVMM carving in moguls vs traditional carving on groomed). I have spent many years carving on soft and icy moguls. Works both places - It is best to "see to believe". You should visit us before the $ goes up against the Euro. It will be a cheap and fun vacation, relatively speaking.
shippsin 3 years ago
Nice video but very short. I am not so sure about this new technique though. Sure, if you are a former WC mogul skier, with strong legs and perfect balance skiing on those moguls far apart and perfect conditions, you can hold up with carving but as soon as things get bigger, deeper, tighter, steeper, and you are a weekend skier, you better forget about carving techniques on moguls.
sopol78 4 years ago
This technique works very well for recreational skiers on any mogul run, but it takes practice. To learn the SVMM style, you should ski slow on beginner/intermediate moguls. The DVD, A Weekend Warrior's Guide to Real Moguls, Expert Runs, explains how to do this and how to practice the techniques on groomed slopes. It will actually help make you a better skier in all conditions, on all types of runs.
shippsin 4 years ago
The moguls in this video can be found at Sun Valley Idaho.
shippsin 4 years ago
Where the hell do you people find mogule runs like these. ive skiied most of colorado and only found maybe one or two runs that even compare to the bumps in this video. Breck, A-bay, Snowmass, Keystone, all the big names and more, but not one uniform mogule run. suggestions?
Lifalan 4 years ago 2
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moguls are gay and you should never ski them unless you want to be called a faggot piece of shit.
BRECKsteezeMONKEY970 3 years ago
Great bump video.... I want to see more
snowflakedd 4 years ago 2
whatever, the most exciting form of skiing bumps is driving your tips straight up the center of the mogul resulting in a face shot.
rocknyootoob 4 years ago 2
Not bad, a little back seat and carves from the boots back. Needs to get more forward and use the tips to initite the turn. Whoever was going at pace through the bumps was demonstrating great form.
BeastEd 4 years ago
Its not about the pivot, the skid, or the carve. Its about the hottest new mogul skiing technique, SVMM. Google Weekend Warrior's Guide to Expert Skiing to learn more.
shippsin 4 years ago
Oh, wow... no comments here as yet? Cool! Let's make rules!
Rule #1: Can we all somehow refrain from the inevitable, boring, definitional discussion concerning questions such as "Is it a pivot, is it a skid, is it a carve?"
Rule #2: No poofters.
Rule #3: Go skiing.
Thank you.
MDHS1974 4 years ago