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  • your unwavering belief in those tabloid photos of giant skeletons should say it all about how much proof you need to believe something. You seem like someone who was converted through fear and now goes around blindly arguing your point trying to be all smart ass and pomped about it so you don't have to feel like an idiot. I think think the person you are really trying to convince is yourself

  • what makes your sources correct? yea the saying goes that those who right the history books write the history. But the same thing is true for religion. Those who wrote the bible created the religion.

  • "Proving Satan Invented Evolution" Yeah and God invented satan so really you will find it was God who actually invented evolution. "Satan is the ruler of this world" What I thought God was all powerful?

  • This guy`s stupidity is disturbing. His parents should be arrested as child abusers.

  • Lol you backward fuck

  • If I can't trust my thoughts then u can't trust your thoughts also make a video about evolution when your source material isn't a book that is historic incorrect

  • Ah, this explains a lot. Since VenomFangX was once a baby, that gives him permission to act like one.

    Isn't logic great.

  • @codefusions Yes, but growing up from baby to adult is not "Evolution", its "growth". Isn't logic for retard like you great???

  • Well man I like what your doing here :) I think all these people are just fooled by satan.

  • how on can be such ignorant.

  • There are those who know how the world works, and those that read fiction books and apply it to reality. But only one of them really KNOWS how the world works.

  • There are days I really can't decide who comes up with the more ridiculous arguments - Shawn or Nephilimfree.

  • There is a church on just about every corner. There are not nearly as many schools. Do the math.

  • Did he really show a pic of that stupid "giant" skeleton as proof? What a moron.

  • just one point ...... before i switch off

    you came from a child, so doesnt that give you permission to act like a child for your whole life ?

    think before u speak .,....

  • as I am watching this (first time) this video has 3,666 views.

  • I am a peaceful person but Shawn's self-satisfied smirk creates in me a powerful urge to beat the fucking shit out of him.

  • Please remember that correlation does not equal causation.

    Also, there are oodles of post hoc ergo propter hoc here. :)

  • Ignorance is its own reward, right Shawn?

  • Well, according to Shawn, we're the product of incest. Fucking moron.

  • this is riddeld with such faulty logic it's laughable. I would like to inform you that you did come from goo (i.e. sperm and an egg).

  • Shawn, stop watching so many Kent Hovind videos, and actually read an evolutionary biology textbook or two. Oh, you apparently did (whale evolution) and STILL got it arse-about backwards! On second thoughts, maybe take a 'special ed' class or two.

  • OMFG!!! YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID!First of all, nobody claimed that we came from monkeys, only that we have a common ancestor with apes... which we DO. 2nd... Charles Darwin didnt come up with evolution. Charles Darwin was following in his grandfathers footsteps studying evolution. He came up with his own theory that has basically been PROVEN time and time again. You obviously have NEVER even TRIED to study or understand evolution.

  • Crap I forgot, the bible which is not formally cited is a much more reliable resource than the years of scientific research.... my b

  • the reason the commandments are not in american schools as its unconstitutional you fucking retard

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  • It's funny how he has FAG in his name.

  • Dude,how can you comment on evolution if you don't even understand it? Whales aren't turning into land based animals they were land animals which returned to the sea.The back legs have got shorter over millions of years as the tail has become their method of propulsion,they have always had a pelvis but the rear legs are now only remnants.There are no remains of 50 foot giants unless you believe Jack and the beanstalk and you seem like you might,do you believe any nonsense your told?

  • You can't simply say evolution is a lie because there is a character in your religion who lies, therefore evolution is a lie. You have to provide evidence that it was falsified.

  • which is more believable?

    1) Over a very long time, living things went through small adaptions that let them survive more easily.

    2) Some guy came out of nowhere and just made them like that.

  • @PirateMonkeyFilmz well those can easily be separated into multiple different arguments. What a creationist would argue is how did those living things ever get there. like what made something from nothing. that sorta thing. but yes i agree, most christians don't even know what they are saying when they refer to evolution.

  • @henryk8675309

    I don't think they should be allowed to use that argument, that something can't come from nothing, because where did their god come from? They always try to make excuses, that he doesn't need to come from anything. So if they can do that, so can I.

  • @PirateMonkeyFilmz must....... ignore.........evidence.......­. blindly follow faith

  • Yup, taking religion away is way the crime rate is up. Than please explain why Sweden is a safer place to live than the States, while 88% of their population is Atheist.

  • @DavidCastoe it is because 12% of their population is theist.

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  • (part 2) "We're bigger and stronger and taller and better." Are you bullshitting me? We've actually become weaker over the process of evolution, but we've become more intelligent. If we are weaker, why are we dominant? We have higher intelligence on this planet, we develop tools that help us dominate the planet. Evolutionists don't believe anything, they know evolution is correct because the evidence is there, not because they're "evolutionists." I doubt the term even exist.

  • @HORRORTV1 sorry to burst your bubble but you refer to natural selection in your argument. evolution suggest random mutation in genetic code that caused new species. so basically its completely different. i am not taking a atheistic or christian point of view. i am taking a science point of view.

  • Fucking idiot, we resemble monkeys but we did not came from them as you have told us. Evolution is not childbirth. We came from a less intelligent species into a higher one. The rule of natural selection is that, superior lifeforms such as these with higher intelligence etc. would have a better chance of reproducing and survive. We're not monkeys, we're their cousins.

  • PLZ TELL ME THIS IS A TROLL OR I WILL CRY A THOUSAND TEARS.

  • @Pa0puu

    sorry man, but humanity is dead, well actually no...this guy got practically destroyed by an atheist commonly referred to as Thunderf00t, probably should check him out if you didnt already. i dont know all the details, but what i got was the venom filed inaccurate claims against him, and f00t kicked his ass, and venom had to file an apology(video wise) to him so he could broadcast. then his dad 'grounds' him and forces him off youtube. again assuming you dont know this already

  • I want to cause you so much pain.

  • Where the fuck do you get your information?

    Who the fuck told you earthworms evolved into fish?

    Who the fuck told you that things that "get bigger and bigger and better" are satanic?

    "Misfortune of believing they are related to every other life form on the planet?"

    Holy shit dude. Maybe you haven't heard this yet, but it is a SUBSTANTIATED FACT that we ARE related to EVERY OTHER FORM OF LIFE ON THIS PLANET.

    God damnit kid. You really deserve to be vanquished from this planet.

  • shave your rat stache pussy.

  • were are these giant skeletons, i want to see them with my eye's and not just photo shoped images on the web

  • How can an earthworm evolve into an amoeba? Ignorant moron.

  • Neither Satan, nor Darwin started the Theorie of Evolution. It was Jean-Baptiste de Lamarck. Next time better pay attention when you get teached in school.

  • OMG! You are probably the most retarded person I have EVER SEEN!!

  • I really hate the old "how can blind chance create a seeing eye"

    Through millions of years of evolution, not blind chance. The chance of a God creating a good seeing eye (when our vision is hardly good anyway, surely he would've made it better?) is even less, obviously...

    Also, if you were created by a God, you couldn't trust your thoughts, pretty sure he'd be the one doing the programming mate...

  • LMAO!!! Charles Darwin came from a  nonconformist Unitarian family and went to Cambridge to became a Anglican clergyman, he was a Christian.

    You're just a ignorant close minded cunt.

    If you are right, man it feels awesome to be a satanist! :D

  • christians are fucking lunatics

  • Your intolerance and ignorance is amazing, first read origin of species, second be a bit open minded i mean dear god the reason religion is taken out of school is because there are multiple religions therefor not one can be used as a slandered. You dont have to accept evolution but if you criticize something at least know about it. Also have you ever heard not to believe everything you read. I believe in God but not yours because you make yours sound like a prissy bitch.

  • Keep up your witness to Christ dude, people will hate you for it, but it comes with the territory! My kids are being taught evolution at school, and if they question anything about it, there grades drop. Total brainwashing

  • I can't even begin to describe how a fucking waste of human you are!! the worst thing is that you are SO convinced that the crap that you say is the truth! you are soooo delusional and sick that it doesn't even make sense!! That pentagon-satan star BS is really dumb!! Like the devil would have to put his logo everywhere lol what a moron!! like if I was the architect for the white house I might have not just slipped it in there just for fun....what a moron!!!

  • Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

  • Yes, I do believe in evolution except that the idiot in the video who never evolved and is as dumb as an protozoa, lacking a central nervous system and a BRAIN !!!!!

  • Its because god wasnt real hahah fools.. god is nothing more than like a fairy tale to tell little kids to make them behave and used by the churches to control the masses of stupid people this is fact. its not hard to you work out there isnt a god

  • Wow, I didn't know anyone other than ken hovind used that horrible, poorly executed argument against evolution, saying that satan created it in the eden. I can't even call it a strawman, its somethings less then that.

  • Whoever told you that homo sapiens evolved from monkeys was an idiot. Evolution states that we share a COMMON ANCESTOR with all living things and that our closest living relatives are apes (not monkeys) with the chimpanzee being our closest relative. Evolution forms a family tree not a linear line. I hope you see how disingenuous your argument really is.

  • You're the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex  with a fish squirrel.

    Congratulations.

  • My mother was watching Dr Phil that had a drug addict Pastor on, trying to get clean.

    I refute 9:48 of horseshit in a sentence. :-/

  • monkeys do not shoot up schools...

  • Why couldent the whole thing rhym, sob

  • HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHA OH GOD

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    I THINK MY IQ DROPPED SEVERAL POINTS BUT HE SHOULD BE THE TOP IRONIC COMEDIAN EVERYWHERE.

    ....oh, he's serious?

    oh my lord.

  • bro they will hate you for the truth......Good to see the Truth shine God Bless

  • @TheMrunknown87 HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAH

  • You're sliding down a slippery slope my friend.

  • I would love to bend him over a pile of fossils and fuck the stupid right out of him.

  • who else wants to punch this man in the face?

  • Where are these 12 to 50 feet man skeletons he speaks off? Total BS.

  • Okay so this kid has the illusion that you can "not believe in evolution." Wrong.

    Evolution is scientific fact, the fact that you don't want to accept it is not our fault. There's no such thing as not believing in evolution. There is only denying truth.

    And don't give me that "it's just a theory" shit. You know what else is a theory? Gravity. Do you believe in gravity? Thought so.

  • It is people like you who make me hate religion even more. Can you get a new hobby like building bird houses or something because that would actually be productive.

  • you came from a cunt

    so thats probably why your such a cunt

  • You're attesting societal collapse because "everyone believes they came from monkeys which came from earthworks, which came from slime". That is rich! Does that mean you don't believe society collapses did not occur in the past? WAY before evolution was thought of..?

    How do you explain the rediculous behavior of the characters in the bibble? raping, stealing, killing, incest....what do you attest to that?

  • venom...FAG??

    Is this a joke LOLOLOL

  • he's using the same strawmans as kent hovind, that certainly tells you something about him.

  • Is this guy for real or is he doing a parody of a creationist?

  • @Thomaspain85 Sadly enough he actually believes what he is saying..

  • Seeing atheist trolling, saying stupid stuff and getting angry at his video always makes me smile even when I'm really sad.

    Win.

  • Selective Breeding dude. If it works better, it will reproduce more, and the better mutation wins. For example, in a race through the forest between an athlete and a 1-legged person. Winner lives, loser dies. So who'd win? The one that's better ADAPTED won, and two athlete children have a higher chance of survival in the wilderness than the children of two handicapped people.

  • Charlie Darwin? Your kidding me, right?

  • So if you come out of a vagina you should act as a pussy??

  • @tenkeist thats how he's acting :)

  • The intelligent hand in shaping America and it's commerce: Profit Motive

    Nothing planned, things NATURALLY start to work in a way that seems "complex yet designed" when in fact, it wasn't designed at all.

  • 7:35 thats a deformation you moron dont belive everything you read. fuck your so retarted and thous photos are "photo Shoped" you fucking idiot!!!!

  • Seems he did some hovind research...

    interesting...

    witch is diferent? a 3 yr old can tell!

  • PCS is a reptilian shape-shifter.

  • fear is a virus it acts that way in our minds read the god virus by darrell ray this young man is just scared and he needs a hug and to touch sweet boobs i bet hes a republican and fear strikes again what name is venom useing now i would love to find out

  • Ever noticed that the more Christianity spreads in America, the more our society goes downhill? Of course, when you teach children that any sin, no matter how heinous, can be forgiven by simply casting your responsibilities on a fairy tale character named Jesus, it stands to reason that people will grow up never taking responsibility for their actions. Atheism says that men should take full responsibility for their actions. Vicarious redemption (Christianity) is highly immoral.

  • This guy is such a complete fucking moron. It is the spread of Christianity which is causing the moral breakdown in America. The fall of Roman Empire came because christianity became the official religion. Isn't it funny how theocrats like this moron here want to make their fairy tale the official religion of the U.S.?

    I just think it's hilarious that this self-righteous moron was caught defrauding an orphanage. Typical Christian hypocrite.

  • Please point to ONE study which shows that the bible is historically accurate. It is not. Jewish archaeologists have admitted that the story of Exodus never happened. Noah, just a fairy tale. Parting of the Red Sea? No evidence for it.

    Even though the religious right has whitewashed school textbooks, they are more accurate than your book of fairy tales. Go to AronRa channel here on youtube and you will see OVERWHELMING evidence that evolution is real and your creationism is a fairy tale

  • @bullfrog11758  Evolution does not attempt to explain the origin of life. Your comment shows your complete and utter ignorance of what evolution is. Me? Never read the bible? You fool, I am a preachers son who grew up reading and hearing bible scriptures everyday. I know the bible intimately, which is why I know there is no way it can be the ord of god. It is so full of errors and contradictions that it is laughable. Anyone who even attempts to say it is in any way accurate is a simpleton

  • @LiCeNSeD6To9KiLL if there was a satan he wouldn't be concerned with disproving gods existence. He'd been on YouTube trying to cheat orphanages out of money like the creationist christian in this video did. 

  • @LiCeNSeD6To9KiLL you're kidding right? Search 'creationists fundamental assumptions' on AronRa channel here on YouTube. None of your fairy tales will stand up to the truth

  • @bullfrog11758 what's an evolutionist? There's no such word. People who know that evolution exists are just properly educated. People who deny that evolution is real are simply victims of religious disinformation campaigns.

  • yes very very true

  • Is he retarded? This guy probably thinks that gravity doesn't exist because there are balloons lol. He probably thinks that God made some intelligent sticky glue to act as gravity and balloons are of SATAN! Hahahahahaha......this is sad.

  • The problem is that not only did they take the Ten Commandments out of this kid's school; they also took out any useful education. Whether it's the school's fault or not, this kid is just a receptacle of idiocy.

  • Evolution is fact. There's nothing to "believe" in or not. You either know about evolution or you don't. You obviously don't understand evolution. You're a cuckoo bird.

  • @MrTruthAddict evolution is not fact ...it BS......

  • @ledgendgoku1 ask the christian scientists who discovered it. There are thousands of fossils which prove that evolution is an undeniable fact. No amount of your wish thinking will change that. There are plenty of Christians who understand that evolution is real. They just consider it part of God's plan. They may be right, who knows. But only the dumbest of the dumb think that evolution and a belief in god are at odds with each other.

  • I came from sperm....I have gone to the zoo....I am here....WOW you are SO SMART

  • STRAWMAN!!!

  • hmmm goo vs dirt. Apples and oranges. If i came from dirt can i act like that? can i at least be as murderous and vengeful and assholish as the god you believe i came from? isn't that the whole purpose of christianity, to be godlike? what about dna?cows are a manmade hybrid why would they say that?I am a slave to chemical reactions in my brain. and my thoughts can't be trusted. I'm gay what purpose does that serve.

  • This video is old as hell.

    But, this kid is seriously so full of shit I can hardly even grasp the concept that one person can hold so much stupidity. What is the world coming to?

  • ass holes like you proove that religion (specially catholic) today its a doctrine of hate and mind closing... also, its seems like your forget that the point of religion its getting your self higher, being happier than you were before.. you look like the saddest atheist you hate muthafucka!

  • thank you for posting this video :)

  • watching this guy just proves to me how a spork evolves into a Dork

  • Wooooow, you're so wrong. Certain creatures had legs, the animal preferred the sea, these legs were unneeded and then regressed into the animal, to become a part of it's sexual organs. This is what we know as a whale. Snakes share this same trait.

  • Yeah because slime and worms are notorious drug dealers....pffftt bloody idiot!

  • Son, you gotta get out more. Go smoke a joint, get laid, have a beer, get in a fight, worry your parents, learn the guitar, get a tatoo, peirce something, get arrested once, take up soccer, learn how to interact socially, find a nice dirty girl, don't join a gang, question everybody (including the people who are filling your head with this shit), dip your toe in the dark side, go see a movie with friends and don't forget the sunscreen. PS. your probably already worrying your parents.

  • I didn't realize he was this stupid

  • Yah, we do drugs because in the wild monkeys do that.

  • @Timelord223 the monkey is smarter than you

  • he rhymed "you" with "you". what a douche

  • holy shit you know how to ryme! congrats ur not completely fucking retarded! You can find the ten comandments in schools. Find a school with a big churh and you'll find it!

    An earthworm is not a single sell organism dumb ass.

    Have you seriously met someone who said 'hey i come from a monkey, so im going to shoot up my school!' I'm gonna guess no you havent.

    Yes, the eathworm turned into an ameba, then a fish, then a moneky, then you were born!

    Wtf is with the picture quiz? WTF?! YOU STUPID!

  • Thx to ppl like VenomFagnX we become atheists! Good strategy comrade.

  • You sicken me with thoughtless, assuming, condescending IDIOCY.

  • I just love it when a stupid retard tries to talk about things they do not understand and makes incredibly foolish argumentations

  • the answer is C, the coyote

    its the only one people didn't tamper with as much

  • dude you fail as a human being.

  • Is this performance art or are you even serious?

  • damn, if you are taking this so seriously. wich means you should have thougt far about it. Then why are you still so far from the real answer.

  • this is a spoof right?

  • "The teachings of Christianity, from Vicarious Redemption to the love of enemies, no thought for the morrow need be taken, that no thrift or care or family or society or solidarity is necessary, these are immoral teachings, that have done and continue to inflict untold moral and physical harm on our species and until we outgrow this nonsense, we have no chance of emancipating ourselves." - Christopher Hitchens.

  • "Monkeys, which came from Earthworms which came from slime."

    lul?

    I'm sorry, but do you even know what evolution is?

  • 50 foot man skeleton wtf is wrong with this kid

    SATAN is real and god isnt

  • If I wanted to learn about Satan pentagrams in government, I'll go watch Glenn Beck

  • either this kid is/was joking, or he's the single most ignorant person I've come across in a while.

  • dude evolution does not believe we came from monkeys stop using that its just making you look dumb to these people they believe we evolved from chimpanzees be sure to use that in your videos from now on

  • i love the evolution of cutlery, i wanna use it...

  • I believe you came from goo, then zoo and turned into poo ! Churches, taxing idiots like you for thousands of years ! Sucker !

  • You had me at "act like a monkey"

  • I dont understand why people hate him so much for just speaking the truth. It doesnt make sense, if you thought the guy was a complete idiot why would you invest your time in listening to him. He speaks the truth, why is it that you guys hate the truth so much

  • All this shows is that ur a closed mind idoit that dosnt have the slighest idea what ur talking about u fucking moron, im realy surprised u known how to use a computer and a web cam u brain washed fool

  • evolution is proven even today viruses evolve, bacteria evolve

  • Just because you cant see your hair or fingernails growing, doesnt mean it doesnt grow. The change in length is GRADUAL, just like the changes that happen in evolution. Am i supposed to believe today that just because my hair i long is long today it has always been long? that it didnt start out short then gradually became long?

  • So, desendents of slave owners, can be slave owners?? Really how interesting. You said If I come from a monkey I can act like one so If I come from a killer it gives me the right to kill, your logic fails Venom. and yes you cant trust your thoughts its true, obvously you act on them but are they always correct? clearly not. Also evolution isnt proved by thoughts, it is sparked by toughts then proven

  • So, desendents of slave owners, can be slave owners?? Really how interesting. You said If I come from a monkey I can act like one so If I come from a killer it gives me the right to kill, your logic fails Venom. and yes you cant trust your thoughts its true, obvously you act on them but are they always correct? clearly not.

  • So, desendents of slave owners, can be slave owners?? Really how interesting. You said If I come from a monkey I can act like one so If I come from a killer it gives me the right to kill, your logic fails Venom.

  • No one believes that, Shawn. I know you won't read this, but just in case you do....if you are going to argue against evolution, have even an elementary understanding of it first. You humiliate yourself with these Hovind, Creation Museum, irrational straw man arguments.

  • I think your the reason society is falling apart. And wtf its charles darwin not charly the unicorn. Dude your so freakin bias its not even funny.

  • im not a christian, but i appreciate jaoliver098. arguments arent supposed to disprove the other side, but come to compromises and find the truth. but still, venomfangx you are seriously retarded. stop dr. suesing u fucking homo goo zoo you true wtf your gay. evolution of cutlery. WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT YOUR A DIPSHIT. im not saying god is real or not real cause theres no way to tell. and stop saying you cant trust your thoughts. ur thoughts are fuckin doped up your a confused little dipshit

  • i am a believer, a christian.the duration of the creation was 6 days because he rested on the 7th. Since god speaks in parables, i think that he meant 6 million or billions of years but not days. according to the Bible, animals were created before humans.but actually, apes, which are animals, evolved in a million of years. and God caused that evolution. btw, science should help us appreciate God's creation not to go against him.

  • so you are saying, "SOME PEOPLE ARE SO STUPID THAT IT MAKES ME OUTRAGEOUS." how about checking the spelling of your ameba which is amoeba?

  • at 4:35-4:50

    he has given himself every reason to stop believing his asinine ideas

  • Under your worldview monkeys came from God too, are they not "accountable to their creator". Spoons and forks are not living self-reproducing entities. Just because things are diametrically opposed doesn't mean one is right... they may both be wrong. Your logic is terrible. Your beliefs are based on an outrageous self-contradictory book written by men who didn't know what a germ or an atom was. White house pentagram... you must be kidding! Dude, give it up. You're embarrassing yourself.

  • haha iq of 60 dumbass lololol you know so much more then scientists who have studied it for decades lol dumbfuck embaressment to mankind

  • You slow down progress, lie, persecute others, and murder others without your beliefs.

    Your a terrible example of a human being.

  • Just to let you know, your a lying, exaggerating, smearing, yellow journalist bastard. I laughed my ass off SOOO hard when you showed the photoshopped, and hoax photos of "giants". Your mind is EXTREMELY corrupted. You are SUCH an idiot. Like your really the strongest evidence against the theory of evolution.because your so fucking stupid. People like you are the biggest impediment to the human race.

  • the pentagram is a pagan symbol the romans killed the druids and banned the pagan religion, satan is a pagan god. how do you stop people believing in that god and start to believe you ........tell them that that god is the enemy......... another quick point, there are many different bibles and so many sub sections of the christian religion not to mention the fact that the bible has been changed many times through out history ,how do you know that you are following the right version of it.

  • the crusade....... the second crusade and the third crusade in the first one christians ate the dead troop because they had no food, now thats not very chistian is it......... the church has had control over schools for hundreds ov years and have killed to keep it that way, isnt that what hitler wanted?.......... one more thing if you were born in a none christian family would you still be christian. are your beliefs yours are or are they not just inherent?

  • actually, they "eat the body and blood of christ"

    so they arent strangers to cannabalism.

  • "It's a little known fact that what you believe determines how you act."

    The Crusades

    I win.

  • atheists say the pentagram does nothing to do with the satanic pentagram from rock cult and does nothing to do with skull & bones and does nothing to do horned sign made by important leaders and so on ...

    why whould i belive that?

  • The first recorded use of a pentangle or pentagram was by the Sumerians, in the context they used it, in simply meant 'small enclosed room'

  • Wow...perhaps an exorcism is in order. Your really full of something.

  • such a lying twat pieceof shit. no one ever claimed that cows evolved from whales you lying piece of garbage.

  • Well, a Pentagram is a protective symbol, sometimes thought to represent the five wounds of Jesus as well as being a symbol for health. Besides, its not a perfect pentagram, rather a coincidence. Your brain is probably creating familiar images out of random ones. I would not have seen the pentagram unless you mentioned it and now that you have, my brain generates a familiar image out of random ones too. And you used that as evidence, explains a lot.

  • wow... what kind of drugs are you taking, dude? :-o

  • "It's a little known fact that what you believe determines how you act"

    Well that explains a lot. ;)