With 7 billion people in the world and around 1.6 billion christians it means your god is not obvious to 5.4 billion others.I'm astonished you believe your god thinks that he could shore up christianity and convert these others by a controversial piece of cloth already knowing that future modern science of carbon dating would eventually discredit and undermine it.That means he set out to hijack his own idea in the most underhanded manner.It's an insult to human intelligence. Just bloody silly.
dont argue with the satanists just pray for them they will suffer in hell if they dont repent god does not want anyone to perish. obviously there is a god its already been proven. the satanists know god is real or why else are they googling this youtube video
@stonewall1888 Yes I did, and I am back for the judgment, I AM the Father, the Old Man Yahweh, it was My image captured at the instant of resurrection.The entire world has been bullshitted all Christians and atheists alike. You have been devoured by the beast whose image the Christians worship while atheists deny the one who gives you life. All will be taken out in the days ahead, not one of you are worth saving,you have done nothing that I taught.I am the Way, Truth & Life not a fucking debate
The shroud is most probably fake. Why did the church never authenticate it ? Why would the church forgo the use for conversions, of the most obvious proof that the salvation story is true ? The church recognised certain apparitions, Why not the shroud ?? My opinion. The church knows better.
@MrJihadJesus There are many things not seen by us, but we know they exist. You cannot see love, yet it is there. You cannot see electricity, yet it is there. All of the universe exists, and nothingness could not create something; the first spark, particle, energy... then bring to order it as galaxies, worlds, plants, and animals, and us. So we know there is an unseen creator behind it. But some have seen Him nevertheless, prophets, and others who pray and seek God.
@Znobyrd Quoting from a bronze aged book written by middle eastern fisherman and goatherds proves nothing. They are merely words. Again, the truth is, we dont know if there is a creator or not. At our present level of technology we dont know how the universe started.
@MultiDsouza The truth is we dont know for sure if there is a creator or not. At our present level of technology and knowledge we dont know how the universe started.
@MrJihadJesus really all you have to do is ask jesus in your heart and ask him to grow in there and the proof will be in your spirit and heart only the truth exists within you and you will know for sure that jesus was the son of god and there is a creator of everything
@Znobyrd yep and repentance is a key to gaining wisdom and knowing why things are as they are and you will notice when you have repented and turn towards something sinful, depending on how you have fixated your heart towards god, you will feel awful over the slightest bad thing
@MrJihadJesus make sure you turn from your sin also, you maybe having a psychospirtual like thing goin on and repenting can help alot with your well-being
@MrJihadJesus But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ (2 Corinthians 11:3 KJV).
@Znobyrd But I fear, these are pages from a bronze aged book. They mean nothing to me. I have as much belief in the bible being the word of god as I have in Hans Christian Anderson fables being nonfictional historical accounts.
@MrJihadJesus ...even though Jesus said His words will never pass away? And people still see Him, and hear His voice? Pray with with all your heart and find out.
@MrJihadJesus ...even though Jesus said His words will never pass away? And people still see Him, and hear His voice? Pray with with all your heart and find out.
@MrJihadJesus ...even though Jesus said His words will never pass away? And people still see Him, and hear His voice? Pray with with all your heart and find out.
@MrJihadJesus ...even though He said His words will never pass away? And people still see Him, and hear His voice? Pray with with all your heart and find out.
@MrJihadJesus even though Jesus said His words will never pass away? And people still see Him, and hear His voice? Pray with with all your heart and find out.
Some have tried to produce an image of His face and make it appear to be as a handsome man. But the Bible says He had no form or beauty that we would desire HIM. This seems to be more like a Jewish face.
there is a real Image of the Face of Jesus out in 3 D Imagery that was discovered thru the 3 D recreation of the Man inside the Burial Shroud! Doesn't look anything like the flat 2 D Image here!
@cari0227 Of course he was not buried with the crown of thorns on his head!!! The Thistle used to make his crown of thorns contained spikes up to more than 4 inches long! it was then pressed upon his head and the shroud clearly shows the marks left by this! it caused profuse bleeding! Also check the marks from the roman flagellum! he received exactly 120 blows with the Flagellum which contained nails and other sharp objects that tore away at the flesh during the flogging!
the shroud comes from a ufo,,cos i hae the same thing after a ufo experience my legs imbedded into the material in black streaks that doesnt come out its not swaet,its not,blach,its radiation..
@BluesHarp60 lady you know shit ok,,speak for yourself ur the after birth,,,and i knew you were a witch just look at ur pic lol..i know things that youd only wish lol..
@lynnej1970 infact im not saying the shroud is jesus,but its a man that had a ufo encounter,i dont care about the non believers they cant stand if anyone gets anything that they dont,,jelous which is a curse and ppl probably dont believei dont get jelous,,cos its a human trait,,well i mustnt be human cos i dont im happy for ppl,,what i havnt mastered is lashing back at ppl that put me down,
Besides that whats to stop them from making a story up about a saviour God! there happens to be 25 other saviour gods too! They had to change the dates of the four gospels creation date They it moved back like four times to where they have it now about 70 AD.I have trouble with that! If there so accurate and the bible is the word of God then how could the cureators and writers not know when it was written! Even then how accurate could it be if it were written 70 years after the fact!explain this
@infonator1 Where are you getting your new age information? TV? Books? Movies? The only way to answer this correctly is to go to Jesus directly and ask Him.
how is it that you say I lie when those that created the religion of christianity are the ones that killed him namely Constintine a roman emperor and the Saducees that blackmailed the crowd and threatened them with violence cause they had a detchment of guards to pick jesus over Barabus to death! I am pointing out that satan rules the world and all religions Let me say it again ! fools! All religions are controlled by satan! why dont you talk about the subject matter instead of attacking me!
Im sorry satan has a lot of power, look at the state of the world! That saying comes straight out of satans mouth himself, that he has no power and thats what being preached everyday in churchs all over the world! thats calssic mind control to make you believe that satan does'nt have the lateral freedom given to him when Adam fell from grace, slash king of the earth! Its basic under estimation to give you a false sense of security, he's way smarter than you give him credit for!!!!!!!
@infonator1 That's why a Christian won't try to match whits with the condemned one, we meet him head on with only our faith in Jesus Christ, who is the only one who defeats him.
On second thought It would be pretty hard to make satan slip up as they have 1000's of more years on us and have an idetic memory! That means way more than photographic memory!that includes all the senses.I suppose they should give us a handbook on how to test the spirits, but the spirits would only come to those who they know have no clue who they really are and don't have aninclanation to be duped!Your not suppose to tempt God ,but satan may answer correctly!So how would you test satan?
@infonator1 Easy. Satan will give you what you want to draw you in and eventually use you and finally kill you. God will only give you what He knows you need, which is most often what you don't want.
If I saw jesus I would test him as the bible says to.To test all spirits as satan can appear as an angel of light! This is scriptual just look it up!So if satan can be an angel of light that means he can also pose as any thing or ony image he desires! Including that of a saviour God named Jesus!
@infonator1 satan has nothing... satan has no power-- ONLY what it is given. to see satan
as good or evil is erroneous. satan does what he is told to do. god is the ultimate.... Satan's creator. HIS BOSS so to speak. to say satan can do or does things god doesn't want it
to do is a blasphemy, it is heresy. did god lose control of his creation?
@gyreenedoc all......ALL things stem from god. yes, evil too comes from god. there
is only OINE source... " i form light and create darkness. I make peace and create
evil, i the lord who do these." (look it up... its in the old testament) satan rebelling against god is IMPOSSIBLE! because god is OMNISCIENT! is there ANY WAY
to fool or surprise god? OF COURCE NOT! GOD IS OMNISCIENT! God knows what my answer will be even BEFORE he asks me a question!
Dont think I dont believe in a real God Im not an athiest. But Im against satan posing as our saviour and controlling us through our own desire to serve him. Its like Ti-chi, like Steven Segal redirecting your momemntum against you!This is one of Satans talents,he is much clever than they say so you underesimate him.We are at another apex tower of Babaal one man contron again.Its called "the great work".Please research this info you will be amazed!
Remember all the info even from the start is controlled by the church or in this case The Vatican.The name vatican can be translated to "devine serpent" really look it up!This same church that is in controll of the Bible also was one of the financeers of Hitler ,go look that up too! Im not hiding anything you can see for yourself! So the info that you so trust and believe are murderous money hoarding child molestors! Napolean said"the victors write history".All history has been spun for control!
These people control your mind and thts the easiest way to heard you like mindless sheeple. This is the least resistance and you oblige them willingly!Jesus was born at the end & beganing of an astrological age, His religion was enforced by an ex-pagan emperor Constintine.His birthday lies on the pagan winter solstice which happens to be the Egyption God Horus birthdate.As in Horuscope!The 3 magi that gave him gifts were magicians and the bible speaks against sorcery!Just go look it up I dare U!
They get extra money too for being effective at getting the message out!You have to listen to the real information! Not the venere! The main media has been controlled by 3 big bankers since the 30's.All you alpha thinkers are highly suggestable and think with your heart not your mind!Why do they push the image that jesus was a nazerine when the only nazerines in the bible were Samson and Samuel!Nazerines avoided corpses,graves ,wine,grapes and alcohol and at the end of the trial shaved thei hair
O.K. tell me who the God of this world is as described by the new testament, that you believe. It is not disputed when told to jesus! Now the Churchs which are given thier 501c3 tax excemption are under satans control,because this controled by the federal govet. if we believe satan rules the world! How does satan allow the jesus mantra which is everywhere to be exclaimed! If they dont talk about jesus or if they talk bad about the wars or if the renownce abortion there 501c3 is revoked1
If you want to know whos face jesus is for real ,its the face of lucifer before he fell! they try to allay the gossip by saying he was a nazerine.For those that say no one said he was a nazerine.Watch the movie "Jesus of Nazerth" or "the final conflict" they call him the nazerine.This is damage control. To explain his long hair.The only known nazerines in the bible are Samson and Samuel, They avoided corpses,graves ,grapes, wine,raisins and alcohol. As you know he laid hands on the dead & wine!
@infonator1 Interesting... you say Jesus was Lucifer, even after He died for the sins of the world, descended into hell and took the keys of hell away from Lucifer. Interesting, but I doubt it 100%.
@odensmeadhorn The people who wrote the bible spanned across a couple thousand years and they all exactly agree with each other. Who are you to say they weren't even there?
@Znobyrd Though it is true that the writers spanned across a couple of thousand years it is not true that they all agreed upon everything. The bible is full of contradictions not only in time but also in nature. Oh and the narrator who "witnessed christ" didn't actually write about christ until about 200-250 years after jesus died. So get your facts strait. 250 years is a long time in a day and age when record keeping was shoddy at best. Do some research.
@odensmeadhorn Actually they did agree on everything, It is people trying to re-interpret the scriptures that causes all the problems (rather than take them at face value). Your facts about the 'narrator', whoever he is... all the writers of the new testament were alive when Christ was alive.
@Znobyrd In the book of genisis chapter 1 vs 27 god creates man and woman. Then he makes the first woman eve in chapter 2 vs 18. Explain to me how this is not a contradiction doesn't sound to me like they are in genealogical agreement and that's only within the first two chapters. Arrius Calpurnius Piso. wrote the gosples of matthew and mark. Arrius C. Piso luke and its the same for the rest of the new testament these men were not alive during the life of christ.
@odensmeadhorn It is not a contradiction. Think about this verse and ask God to show it to you: Gen 1:27 So God created man (Adam, in the Hebrew) in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them... there was only one person here, Adam.
@Znobyrd "in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" are u suggesting that adam was a man and a woman. To me this verse suggests the creation of men and women.
@odensmeadhorn Him and Them in one person, Adam, as it says. Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
@odensmeadhorn I make no claims. Compare what it says here: John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you... Looks as though what was split apart physically in the beginning, comes back together later the right way, spiritually. Jesus, a man, the church, a woman, come together.
@Znobyrd Cut the esoteric bullshit i'm to well educated for that crap to fly with me... Either adam was a man (ie had a penis and not a vagina) or he wasn't. Genisis offers two stories about the origins of eve within the first two chapters its spelled out in black and white. You can lie to yourself about it by generalizing and or spiritualizing it all away but at the end of the day your just making excuses.
@odensmeadhorn Ok, if the bible itself doesn't show you enough consider this... the ancient Egyptians worshipped a deity they called Atum (Adam). They claimed Atum was the first human being on earth, being the fulfillment of all humanity, both male and female in one being.
What I was trying to show you was... the fall of man caused a spiritual inequality between God and man, Jesus Christ came to restore that division, and yes, He did restore it.
@Znobyrd There are many faiths that worship many gods and have many similar versions to the origins of man. This proves nothing except that a bunch of uneducated people dreamed up a fairytale to explain something they did not understand. And the question posed never had to do anything with Jesus Christ and his suicide mission to save mankind it was with specific regards to discrepancies in the writing of the bible a topic that you are apparently trying to dodge. I'm done with this conversation.
@odensmeadhorn Your comment is as ignorant as they come... You can argue that he wasn't the son of God (which you would be wrong), but to say he didn't even exist makes you look like a complete fool.
@imax1971 2000 year old bronze age record keeping over 40 cultural variations of the same story going all the way back to 3000 BCE. No sir im not ignorant im well educated.
@twistedbass15 You're a little behind, aren't you? It's already been proven it's completely legitimate. If not, go ahead and do us all the favor of explaining how an artist, any artist, can 'pain' a face in negative? The floor is yours.
@TheLastbAaron Its fake you muppet i saw the testing being done by scientists on a discovery show or the BBC ffs, jesus is the sun in the sky, the shroud is fake and there is no god or gods. If you wrapped a human body in a shroud then you would not get a face like that printed on the cloth. Da Vinci faked it to fool idiots like you out of money :-D
@twistedbass15 I'm convinced Jesus is the Son of God. I don't know whether the shroud, however, is His image, but I wouldn't doubt it. One BBC documentary isn't the last of the issue. Thanks.
@Znobyrd If you believe you do not know, if you know you do not believe. Do you know how many other deities share the same story of jesus ? About 21 other supernatural stories are strikingly similar to the STORY of jesus :-|
@twistedbass15 I said I'm "convinced" Jesus is the Son of God, that means I've settled the matter in my mind and heart. And since you are an athiest, could you do us all the favor of not doing what every other athiest does, which is resorting to ridicule as your best argument? Open up a little, and then we can have a meaningful conversation. Thanks.
Great job on clean-up. Maybe a little more texture on skin to make it more realistic. It would be really cool to make a combo video with my part from the original Shroud to Jesus' face, and then continue seamlessly to the cleaned up version. Possible?
How many people were crucified and wrapped in a shroud back then? Even if it was 2000 years old, what are the chances of this guy being jesus? It's not a hoax, the shroud is real but thats all that can be said.
@locouk How many had a crown of thorns placed on their head, (in the Greek olympic "hero" fashion) and a spear thrust into their side as told in scripture?
@Znobyrd The spear in the side was how the people knew if they were still alive, I'm sure a thorn hat was availabe to all who were not in the good books.
@locouk Possibly, even though they broke the legs of the others being crucified in order to kill them. But look at the hair and beard too. It was Nazarene style, long, and forked beard. There weren't that many Nazarenes. How many Nazarenes do you think were crucified? The image also very closely resembles a carving of Jesus done at the time.
@Znobyrd Religion is the biggest Chinese Whispers game ever. If makes people happy to think it's the real deal, so be it. No problem.. I think people tend to be selective with what they want to believe in, and try and go on a futile crusade to prove it.
The white Jesus. Give the world a brake. The paint is form 1500 yrs. ago. IT'S FAKE. are you stuck in the bronze age. Sea monsters, flat world and all of that bs.
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With 7 billion people in the world and around 1.6 billion christians it means your god is not obvious to 5.4 billion others.I'm astonished you believe your god thinks that he could shore up christianity and convert these others by a controversial piece of cloth already knowing that future modern science of carbon dating would eventually discredit and undermine it.That means he set out to hijack his own idea in the most underhanded manner.It's an insult to human intelligence. Just bloody silly.
tonyp1945 4 days ago
dont argue with the satanists just pray for them they will suffer in hell if they dont repent god does not want anyone to perish. obviously there is a god its already been proven. the satanists know god is real or why else are they googling this youtube video
acromax23 6 days ago
@acromax23 The only argument a satanist or atheist has is ridicule. Not much to work with there.
Znobyrd 6 days ago
Its probably Satan, not Jesus
torvie60 1 week ago
@torvie60 Satan didn't die for you like the man in this picture did.
Znobyrd 1 week ago
@Znobyrd Jesus didn't die either or do you not comprehend that he never lived.
stonewall1888 1 week ago
@stonewall1888 Hey Stone. You believe what you want, and good luck to you. You're going to need it.
Znobyrd 1 week ago
@stonewall1888 Yes I did, and I am back for the judgment, I AM the Father, the Old Man Yahweh, it was My image captured at the instant of resurrection.The entire world has been bullshitted all Christians and atheists alike. You have been devoured by the beast whose image the Christians worship while atheists deny the one who gives you life. All will be taken out in the days ahead, not one of you are worth saving,you have done nothing that I taught.I am the Way, Truth & Life not a fucking debate
brianisyahweh3 12 hours ago
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The shroud is most probably fake. Why did the church never authenticate it ? Why would the church forgo the use for conversions, of the most obvious proof that the salvation story is true ? The church recognised certain apparitions, Why not the shroud ?? My opinion. The church knows better.
ndzoko 2 weeks ago
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I AM JESUS,
I AM THE 666 IN REVELATION,
I AM THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH...
THE MARKS / NUMBERS FORMING UPON MY FACE WILL SOON BE TOTALLY UNDENIABLE...
ulived1969 2 weeks ago
this enhancement is off by a long shot.
SuperChamona 1 month ago
Yes, it has been proven a fake.
MrJihadJesus 1 month ago
Since the shroud has been proven as a fake I wonder who this might be.
MrJihadJesus 1 month ago
@MrJihadJesus Oh, you proved it fake again huh?
Znobyrd 1 month ago
@Znobyrd No, science, empirical science proved it a fake.
MrJihadJesus 1 month ago
@MrJihadJesus Other science has proven it valid.
Znobyrd 1 month ago
@Znobyrd I dont know what science you are talking about. But yes, they have proven it fake. Fake as in "not the burial shroud of jesus".
MrJihadJesus 1 month ago
@MrJihadJesus Depends on what science you listen to. Time will tell.
Znobyrd 1 month ago
@Znobyrd Empirical science. The science of facts over faith. Reality over fantasy.
MrJihadJesus 1 month ago
@MrJihadJesus Where do your facts take you in the unseen universe?
Znobyrd 1 month ago
@Znobyrd I have no idea what you are talking about. WTF is the unseen universe?
MrJihadJesus 1 month ago
@MrJihadJesus Uh, it means things that are not seen?
Znobyrd 1 month ago
@Znobyrd You mean the microosm? IM still not following you.
MrJihadJesus 1 month ago
@MrJihadJesus There are many things not seen by us, but we know they exist. You cannot see love, yet it is there. You cannot see electricity, yet it is there. All of the universe exists, and nothingness could not create something; the first spark, particle, energy... then bring to order it as galaxies, worlds, plants, and animals, and us. So we know there is an unseen creator behind it. But some have seen Him nevertheless, prophets, and others who pray and seek God.
Znobyrd 1 month ago
@Znobyrd The truth is, we dont know if there is a creator or not. At our present level of technology we dont know how the universe started.
MrJihadJesus 1 month ago
@MrJihadJesus "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth." Genesis 1:1 If there wasn't a creator, nothing could be created.
Znobyrd 1 month ago
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@Znobyrd Quoting from a bronze aged book written by middle eastern fisherman and goatherds proves nothing. They are merely words. Again, the truth is, we dont know if there is a creator or not. At our present level of technology we dont know how the universe started.
MrJihadJesus 1 month ago
@MrJihadJesus Because you are not seeking the truth
MultiDsouza 4 weeks ago
@MultiDsouza The truth is we dont know for sure if there is a creator or not. At our present level of technology and knowledge we dont know how the universe started.
MrJihadJesus 4 weeks ago
@MrJihadJesus really all you have to do is ask jesus in your heart and ask him to grow in there and the proof will be in your spirit and heart only the truth exists within you and you will know for sure that jesus was the son of god and there is a creator of everything
heyyouwtheshades 3 weeks ago
@heyyouwtheshades Amen. Until He comes into you with His Spirit, you can't see or comprehend any of it.
Znobyrd 3 weeks ago
@Znobyrd yep and repentance is a key to gaining wisdom and knowing why things are as they are and you will notice when you have repented and turn towards something sinful, depending on how you have fixated your heart towards god, you will feel awful over the slightest bad thing
heyyouwtheshades 3 weeks ago
@Znobyrd Which is a load of crap and a complete copout. This is the same logic as "if you are not with us, you are against us."
MrJihadJesus 3 weeks ago
@MrJihadJesus We love you just the same. Wish you were a believer.
Znobyrd 3 weeks ago
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MrJihadJesus 3 weeks ago
@MrJihadJesus make sure you turn from your sin also, you maybe having a psychospirtual like thing goin on and repenting can help alot with your well-being
heyyouwtheshades 3 weeks ago
@heyyouwtheshades Personally I think the world would be a much better place if people stopped being so religious and started being more spiritual.
MrJihadJesus 3 weeks ago
@MrJihadJesus What kind of spiritual are you referring to? There's a God spiritual and there's a lucifer spiritual.
Znobyrd 3 weeks ago
@Znobyrd The real world is much more conplicated than a black and white answer.
MrJihadJesus 3 weeks ago
@MrJihadJesus But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ (2 Corinthians 11:3 KJV).
Znobyrd 3 weeks ago
@Znobyrd But I fear, these are pages from a bronze aged book. They mean nothing to me. I have as much belief in the bible being the word of god as I have in Hans Christian Anderson fables being nonfictional historical accounts.
MrJihadJesus 3 weeks ago
@MrJihadJesus ...even though Jesus said His words will never pass away? And people still see Him, and hear His voice? Pray with with all your heart and find out.
Znobyrd 3 weeks ago
@MrJihadJesus ...even though Jesus said His words will never pass away? And people still see Him, and hear His voice? Pray with with all your heart and find out.
Znobyrd 3 weeks ago
@MrJihadJesus ...even though Jesus said His words will never pass away? And people still see Him, and hear His voice? Pray with with all your heart and find out.
Znobyrd 3 weeks ago
@MrJihadJesus ...even though He said His words will never pass away? And people still see Him, and hear His voice? Pray with with all your heart and find out.
Znobyrd 3 weeks ago
@MrJihadJesus even though Jesus said His words will never pass away? And people still see Him, and hear His voice? Pray with with all your heart and find out.
Znobyrd 3 weeks ago
@MrJihadJesus even though Jesus said His words will never pass away?
Znobyrd 3 weeks ago
@MrJihadJesus even though Jesus said His words will never pass away.
Znobyrd 3 weeks ago
@Znobyrd I AM JESUS,
I AM THE 666 IN REVELATION... I AM THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH...
ulived1969 2 weeks ago
@ulived1969 You are a bag of cashews
Znobyrd 2 weeks ago
@ulived1969 You're not Jesus silly
Frozenflutter 2 weeks ago
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@Znobyrd If you want to quote from the bible, give evidence that this book is a reliable historical document. It is not.
ndzoko 2 weeks ago
@MrJihadJesus Do your research the shroud can not be proven a fake and has not been proven a fake-there is no Jihad in Jesus.
indman101 1 month ago
Some have tried to produce an image of His face and make it appear to be as a handsome man. But the Bible says He had no form or beauty that we would desire HIM. This seems to be more like a Jewish face.
GodsSeer 1 month ago
Beautiful job !
jane29228 1 month ago
@jane29228 Thank you. Good to have the nice comment.
Znobyrd 1 month ago
there is a real Image of the Face of Jesus out in 3 D Imagery that was discovered thru the 3 D recreation of the Man inside the Burial Shroud! Doesn't look anything like the flat 2 D Image here!
BluesHarp60 1 month ago
howtoacceptJESUS. squarespace. com visit that website to accept our SAVIOR
IdigAponyONtheROOF 1 month ago
They would not have buried Jesus with the crown of thorns on his head... :/
cari0227 2 months ago
@cari0227 "Quickly, the sabbath is approaching"
Znobyrd 2 months ago
@cari0227 Of course he was not buried with the crown of thorns on his head!!! The Thistle used to make his crown of thorns contained spikes up to more than 4 inches long! it was then pressed upon his head and the shroud clearly shows the marks left by this! it caused profuse bleeding! Also check the marks from the roman flagellum! he received exactly 120 blows with the Flagellum which contained nails and other sharp objects that tore away at the flesh during the flogging!
BluesHarp60 1 month ago
the shroud comes from a ufo,,cos i hae the same thing after a ufo experience my legs imbedded into the material in black streaks that doesnt come out its not swaet,its not,blach,its radiation..
lynnej1970 2 months ago
@lynnej1970 And you came as an afterbirth of a bad idea!!!
BluesHarp60 1 month ago
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lynnej1970 1 month ago
@BluesHarp60 ppl like you are just pathetic ,,its either y u,,or ur crazy,,listen mere mortl hhuman you know nothn,,belive me you know sfa.
lynnej1970 1 month ago
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lynnej1970 1 month ago
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@BluesHarp60 lady you know shit ok,,speak for yourself ur the after birth,,,and i knew you were a witch just look at ur pic lol..i know things that youd only wish lol..
lynnej1970 1 month ago
@lynnej1970 infact im not saying the shroud is jesus,but its a man that had a ufo encounter,i dont care about the non believers they cant stand if anyone gets anything that they dont,,jelous which is a curse and ppl probably dont believei dont get jelous,,cos its a human trait,,well i mustnt be human cos i dont im happy for ppl,,what i havnt mastered is lashing back at ppl that put me down,
lynnej1970 1 month ago
Besides that whats to stop them from making a story up about a saviour God! there happens to be 25 other saviour gods too! They had to change the dates of the four gospels creation date They it moved back like four times to where they have it now about 70 AD.I have trouble with that! If there so accurate and the bible is the word of God then how could the cureators and writers not know when it was written! Even then how accurate could it be if it were written 70 years after the fact!explain this
infonator1 2 months ago
@infonator1 Where are you getting your new age information? TV? Books? Movies? The only way to answer this correctly is to go to Jesus directly and ask Him.
Znobyrd 2 months ago
how is it that you say I lie when those that created the religion of christianity are the ones that killed him namely Constintine a roman emperor and the Saducees that blackmailed the crowd and threatened them with violence cause they had a detchment of guards to pick jesus over Barabus to death! I am pointing out that satan rules the world and all religions Let me say it again ! fools! All religions are controlled by satan! why dont you talk about the subject matter instead of attacking me!
infonator1 2 months ago
Im sorry satan has a lot of power, look at the state of the world! That saying comes straight out of satans mouth himself, that he has no power and thats what being preached everyday in churchs all over the world! thats calssic mind control to make you believe that satan does'nt have the lateral freedom given to him when Adam fell from grace, slash king of the earth! Its basic under estimation to give you a false sense of security, he's way smarter than you give him credit for!!!!!!!
infonator1 2 months ago
@infonator1 That's why a Christian won't try to match whits with the condemned one, we meet him head on with only our faith in Jesus Christ, who is the only one who defeats him.
Znobyrd 2 months ago
Even the vatican says there are too many inaccuracys in the shroud but god(lol) forbid you look that up
MrLeggette 3 months ago
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The Shroud of Turin was a Leonardo da Vinci creation
baznet 3 months ago
On second thought It would be pretty hard to make satan slip up as they have 1000's of more years on us and have an idetic memory! That means way more than photographic memory!that includes all the senses.I suppose they should give us a handbook on how to test the spirits, but the spirits would only come to those who they know have no clue who they really are and don't have aninclanation to be duped!Your not suppose to tempt God ,but satan may answer correctly!So how would you test satan?
infonator1 3 months ago
@infonator1 Easy. Satan will give you what you want to draw you in and eventually use you and finally kill you. God will only give you what He knows you need, which is most often what you don't want.
Znobyrd 3 months ago
If I saw jesus I would test him as the bible says to.To test all spirits as satan can appear as an angel of light! This is scriptual just look it up!So if satan can be an angel of light that means he can also pose as any thing or ony image he desires! Including that of a saviour God named Jesus!
infonator1 3 months ago
@infonator1 satan has nothing... satan has no power-- ONLY what it is given. to see satan
as good or evil is erroneous. satan does what he is told to do. god is the ultimate.... Satan's creator. HIS BOSS so to speak. to say satan can do or does things god doesn't want it
to do is a blasphemy, it is heresy. did god lose control of his creation?
gyreenedoc 2 months ago
@gyreenedoc all......ALL things stem from god. yes, evil too comes from god. there
is only OINE source... " i form light and create darkness. I make peace and create
evil, i the lord who do these." (look it up... its in the old testament) satan rebelling against god is IMPOSSIBLE! because god is OMNISCIENT! is there ANY WAY
to fool or surprise god? OF COURCE NOT! GOD IS OMNISCIENT! God knows what my answer will be even BEFORE he asks me a question!
gyreenedoc 2 months ago
Dont think I dont believe in a real God Im not an athiest. But Im against satan posing as our saviour and controlling us through our own desire to serve him. Its like Ti-chi, like Steven Segal redirecting your momemntum against you!This is one of Satans talents,he is much clever than they say so you underesimate him.We are at another apex tower of Babaal one man contron again.Its called "the great work".Please research this info you will be amazed!
infonator1 3 months ago
Remember all the info even from the start is controlled by the church or in this case The Vatican.The name vatican can be translated to "devine serpent" really look it up!This same church that is in controll of the Bible also was one of the financeers of Hitler ,go look that up too! Im not hiding anything you can see for yourself! So the info that you so trust and believe are murderous money hoarding child molestors! Napolean said"the victors write history".All history has been spun for control!
infonator1 3 months ago
These people control your mind and thts the easiest way to heard you like mindless sheeple. This is the least resistance and you oblige them willingly!Jesus was born at the end & beganing of an astrological age, His religion was enforced by an ex-pagan emperor Constintine.His birthday lies on the pagan winter solstice which happens to be the Egyption God Horus birthdate.As in Horuscope!The 3 magi that gave him gifts were magicians and the bible speaks against sorcery!Just go look it up I dare U!
infonator1 3 months ago
@infonator1 It all depends on who you are listening to... what if you saw Jesus for yourself?
Znobyrd 3 months ago
They get extra money too for being effective at getting the message out!You have to listen to the real information! Not the venere! The main media has been controlled by 3 big bankers since the 30's.All you alpha thinkers are highly suggestable and think with your heart not your mind!Why do they push the image that jesus was a nazerine when the only nazerines in the bible were Samson and Samuel!Nazerines avoided corpses,graves ,wine,grapes and alcohol and at the end of the trial shaved thei hair
infonator1 3 months ago
O.K. tell me who the God of this world is as described by the new testament, that you believe. It is not disputed when told to jesus! Now the Churchs which are given thier 501c3 tax excemption are under satans control,because this controled by the federal govet. if we believe satan rules the world! How does satan allow the jesus mantra which is everywhere to be exclaimed! If they dont talk about jesus or if they talk bad about the wars or if the renownce abortion there 501c3 is revoked1
infonator1 3 months ago
If you want to know whos face jesus is for real ,its the face of lucifer before he fell! they try to allay the gossip by saying he was a nazerine.For those that say no one said he was a nazerine.Watch the movie "Jesus of Nazerth" or "the final conflict" they call him the nazerine.This is damage control. To explain his long hair.The only known nazerines in the bible are Samson and Samuel, They avoided corpses,graves ,grapes, wine,raisins and alcohol. As you know he laid hands on the dead & wine!
infonator1 4 months ago
@infonator1 Interesting... you say Jesus was Lucifer, even after He died for the sins of the world, descended into hell and took the keys of hell away from Lucifer. Interesting, but I doubt it 100%.
Znobyrd 4 months ago
BIN LADEN...
sansalka 4 months ago
THE SHROUD HAS BEEN PROVEN TO BE A HOAX!!!! IT WAS MADE IN 1200(circa) A.D. A.D. IF YOU WOULD DO ANY TYPE OF RESEARCH YOU WOULD ALSO KNOW THIS!!!!!!
MrLeggette 4 months ago
@MrLeggette What TYPE of research is the key... right?
Znobyrd 4 months ago
@MrLeggette It hasn't been proven to be a hoax...The carbon dating was inaccurate and done wrong. Research...
ghostrider2414 4 months ago
Your god and your religion are a lie.
odensmeadhorn 4 months ago
JESUS WASN'T WHITE HE WASN'T EVEN REAL!!!!
odensmeadhorn 4 months ago
@odensmeadhorn How do you know? Were you there?
Znobyrd 4 months ago
@Znobyrd No i wasn't there and neither were the people who wrote the bible.
odensmeadhorn 4 months ago
@odensmeadhorn The people who wrote the bible spanned across a couple thousand years and they all exactly agree with each other. Who are you to say they weren't even there?
Znobyrd 4 months ago
@Znobyrd Though it is true that the writers spanned across a couple of thousand years it is not true that they all agreed upon everything. The bible is full of contradictions not only in time but also in nature. Oh and the narrator who "witnessed christ" didn't actually write about christ until about 200-250 years after jesus died. So get your facts strait. 250 years is a long time in a day and age when record keeping was shoddy at best. Do some research.
odensmeadhorn 4 months ago
@odensmeadhorn Actually they did agree on everything, It is people trying to re-interpret the scriptures that causes all the problems (rather than take them at face value). Your facts about the 'narrator', whoever he is... all the writers of the new testament were alive when Christ was alive.
Znobyrd 4 months ago
@Znobyrd In the book of genisis chapter 1 vs 27 god creates man and woman. Then he makes the first woman eve in chapter 2 vs 18. Explain to me how this is not a contradiction doesn't sound to me like they are in genealogical agreement and that's only within the first two chapters. Arrius Calpurnius Piso. wrote the gosples of matthew and mark. Arrius C. Piso luke and its the same for the rest of the new testament these men were not alive during the life of christ.
odensmeadhorn 4 months ago
@odensmeadhorn It is not a contradiction. Think about this verse and ask God to show it to you: Gen 1:27 So God created man (Adam, in the Hebrew) in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them... there was only one person here, Adam.
Znobyrd 4 months ago
@Znobyrd "in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them" are u suggesting that adam was a man and a woman. To me this verse suggests the creation of men and women.
odensmeadhorn 4 months ago
@odensmeadhorn Him and Them in one person, Adam, as it says. Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Znobyrd 4 months ago
@Znobyrd This still makes no sense. Your saying that adam was both a man and a woman? That's a pretty bold claim.
odensmeadhorn 4 months ago
@odensmeadhorn I make no claims. Compare what it says here: John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you... Looks as though what was split apart physically in the beginning, comes back together later the right way, spiritually. Jesus, a man, the church, a woman, come together.
Znobyrd 4 months ago
@Znobyrd Cut the esoteric bullshit i'm to well educated for that crap to fly with me... Either adam was a man (ie had a penis and not a vagina) or he wasn't. Genisis offers two stories about the origins of eve within the first two chapters its spelled out in black and white. You can lie to yourself about it by generalizing and or spiritualizing it all away but at the end of the day your just making excuses.
odensmeadhorn 4 months ago
@odensmeadhorn Ok, if the bible itself doesn't show you enough consider this... the ancient Egyptians worshipped a deity they called Atum (Adam). They claimed Atum was the first human being on earth, being the fulfillment of all humanity, both male and female in one being.
What I was trying to show you was... the fall of man caused a spiritual inequality between God and man, Jesus Christ came to restore that division, and yes, He did restore it.
Znobyrd 4 months ago
@Znobyrd There are many faiths that worship many gods and have many similar versions to the origins of man. This proves nothing except that a bunch of uneducated people dreamed up a fairytale to explain something they did not understand. And the question posed never had to do anything with Jesus Christ and his suicide mission to save mankind it was with specific regards to discrepancies in the writing of the bible a topic that you are apparently trying to dodge. I'm done with this conversation.
odensmeadhorn 4 months ago
@odensmeadhorn Done. Note that there are different levels and types of education. And there are different spirits that lead those.
Znobyrd 4 months ago
@Znobyrd ....
odensmeadhorn 4 months ago
@odensmeadhorn Your comment is as ignorant as they come... You can argue that he wasn't the son of God (which you would be wrong), but to say he didn't even exist makes you look like a complete fool.
imax1971 4 months ago
@imax1971 2000 year old bronze age record keeping over 40 cultural variations of the same story going all the way back to 3000 BCE. No sir im not ignorant im well educated.
odensmeadhorn 4 months ago
@odensmeadhorn No, you're ignorant and foolish. To say this man didn't exist and call yourself educated is laughable.
imax1971 4 months ago
@imax1971 From someone who uses the bible as a guide on the validity of the bible I'll take your comments as a grain of salt.
odensmeadhorn 4 months ago
What the fuck?! He's an Arab! Shit, he must be a terrorist! He must also support the slaughter of anyone who doesn't believe in him.......
LifeGivesMeMelons 4 months ago
I didn't know Charles Manson was Jesus...it all makes sense now.
PSnaps13 4 months ago 2
@TheYatesboroKidd Your existence is a fake.
TheLastbAaron 4 months ago
@TheYatesboroKidd ... unless you were a Nazarene. Read the law of the Nazarene in Numbers 6, they grew their hair long. Jesus fulfilled all the law.
Znobyrd 5 months ago
@Znobyrd Burrnnnn. Ouch.
TheLastbAaron 4 months ago
Shroud is fake its been tested. Mithra anyone ?
twistedbass15 5 months ago
@twistedbass15 You're a little behind, aren't you? It's already been proven it's completely legitimate. If not, go ahead and do us all the favor of explaining how an artist, any artist, can 'pain' a face in negative? The floor is yours.
TheLastbAaron 4 months ago
@TheLastbAaron Its fake you muppet i saw the testing being done by scientists on a discovery show or the BBC ffs, jesus is the sun in the sky, the shroud is fake and there is no god or gods. If you wrapped a human body in a shroud then you would not get a face like that printed on the cloth. Da Vinci faked it to fool idiots like you out of money :-D
Science is proof and reason
Religion is belief and faith
Science is a computer
Religion is a crystal ball
twistedbass15 4 months ago
@twistedbass15 I'm convinced Jesus is the Son of God. I don't know whether the shroud, however, is His image, but I wouldn't doubt it. One BBC documentary isn't the last of the issue. Thanks.
Znobyrd 4 months ago
@Znobyrd If you believe you do not know, if you know you do not believe. Do you know how many other deities share the same story of jesus ? About 21 other supernatural stories are strikingly similar to the STORY of jesus :-|
Do some reseach and pull ya head outa ya arse :-D
twistedbass15 4 months ago
@twistedbass15 I said I'm "convinced" Jesus is the Son of God, that means I've settled the matter in my mind and heart. And since you are an athiest, could you do us all the favor of not doing what every other athiest does, which is resorting to ridicule as your best argument? Open up a little, and then we can have a meaningful conversation. Thanks.
Znobyrd 4 months ago
@Znobyrd LARF !! I'm a human being you fuckwit, not an atheist, you can't pin labels on me ya supernatural sucker :-D
twistedbass15 4 months ago
@TheYatesboroKidd Why watch the video then?
Znobyrd 5 months ago
Great job on clean-up. Maybe a little more texture on skin to make it more realistic. It would be really cool to make a combo video with my part from the original Shroud to Jesus' face, and then continue seamlessly to the cleaned up version. Possible?
Orates2008 5 months ago
@Orates2008 Thanks for the comment. Yes, it would be possible. Let me know what you have in mind if I can help, I will do so.
Znobyrd 5 months ago
How many people were crucified and wrapped in a shroud back then? Even if it was 2000 years old, what are the chances of this guy being jesus? It's not a hoax, the shroud is real but thats all that can be said.
I'm off to make a cuppa tea in the holy grail..
locouk 6 months ago
@locouk How many had a crown of thorns placed on their head, (in the Greek olympic "hero" fashion) and a spear thrust into their side as told in scripture?
Znobyrd 6 months ago
@Znobyrd The spear in the side was how the people knew if they were still alive, I'm sure a thorn hat was availabe to all who were not in the good books.
locouk 6 months ago
@locouk Possibly, even though they broke the legs of the others being crucified in order to kill them. But look at the hair and beard too. It was Nazarene style, long, and forked beard. There weren't that many Nazarenes. How many Nazarenes do you think were crucified? The image also very closely resembles a carving of Jesus done at the time.
Znobyrd 6 months ago
@Znobyrd Religion is the biggest Chinese Whispers game ever. If makes people happy to think it's the real deal, so be it. No problem.. I think people tend to be selective with what they want to believe in, and try and go on a futile crusade to prove it.
locouk 6 months ago
@locouk Thorn hat? You, sir, are an idiot.
TheLastbAaron 4 months ago
hi, yevah was a black man ,and a jew, and a sabbath keeper, i am a sabbath keeper two from cindy, the sabbath keeper two
daycindy5111 7 months ago
Beautiful.
dublion7 7 months ago
great video dnt mine what anyone got to say about it we know the truth
cliljon18 7 months ago
@cliljon18 Thanks, and yes we know the truth.
Znobyrd 7 months ago
The white Jesus. Give the world a brake. The paint is form 1500 yrs. ago. IT'S FAKE. are you stuck in the bronze age. Sea monsters, flat world and all of that bs.
dnilles1960 10 months ago
@dnilles1960 Why did you watch the video then?
Znobyrd 9 months ago
@Znobyrd
dnilles1960 9 months ago