why cant they just blend in? if dont like it, theres other country to go.
everybody blended in. if someday all man suddenly wanted helmet/bandana that cover head to toe to be cultural, what then?
it could increase chances of crime, after that its going to increase fear for everyone who near man wearing a helmet/bandana. its so stupid, islam really doesnt make sense and make fucking demand like a child.
now they even use gloves? oh man its so funny its crazy.
No one forbids them to wear the burka in their countries,burqa is not banned worldwide))) these sinister ninja ,if they lived in their own countries,will not see a driver's license or a computer ..what a effrontery Talibans...!!!! they retract back into the caves with their black bags...feel seasick when I look them,I do not want my child to be scared of the street,at the sight of sinister black scarecrows,,,,
@ZaidThriller Do you know in Dubai there are three types of religious police on the street ,that does not allowed foreign women to wear shorts??Or if you go to Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia you can not go without a headscarf.When these people have chosen to live in europe,they must comply with our culture.If they do not like ,no one can stop them to go.Women in Islamic countries do not have human rights,they are considered as animals.
@maranamani11 Actually, There's No Such "Religious Police" In Dubai. People Can Do Whatever They Wants, I've Went There Last Summer And I Know & Saw What Was Going On, Even Foregin Women Can Wear Short Skirts And No One Would Talk To Them. In Afghanistan, Maybe But In Saudi Arabia, No. Because I Went There Too. Tell Me Where You Get These Lies From?. Listen, Women Here (In The ME) Have Complete Rights, They Can Do/Wear/Work Whatever They Want. IDC Bout Afghanistan Or Pakistan
@ZaidThriller In some countries they do not even have the right to education,to drive-by no means.They are slaves to their countries.France has given freedom of these people.France has given everything they do not have in their countries.But they do not appreciate this and began to roar for violated rights.if they were sorry for their rights-please,go home.If I want to watch Ninjas on the street,then I will go to Afghanistan.Do you understand my wish,Please do not break my rights....
@ZaidThriller Also,burka is an insult to men,especially for muslim men.Burka is a symbol and stamp that muslims are incontinent.Passions should be managed otherwise,not so primitive. women according to Islam are carriers of sin,and men are righteous.why women should be wrapped be hidden by righteous men??a truly righteous must not feel seduction even if it is surrounded by naked women.This isunheard hypocrisy.But that's another topic
@maranamani11 And I Don't Like Woman Who Wears "Burka" Its Not Even Somethin That Muslim Women Should Wear. In The Arabian Country Woman Have Full Rights, Maybe Not In Afganistan Or Pakistan (Some Kind Of Trasitions They've There) As I Said. Arabs Didn't Give Women Any Rights Until Islam Came, And Its Stated In The Qu'ran That Every Woman Should Be Equal To Men
@ZaidThriller but then they go home,,,no one stops them,,,,we do not want burqa,,Is it very difficult to understand,,,Women have no rights and they are not equal to men:Saudi Arabia,Pakistan,Afghanistan,Asian Turkey,Iran,,,,,,and so on,,
@maranamani11 Lol, Its Your Opinion, Its Not a Fact. I Know Because I Already Lived/Went To These Places, Sometimes You Shouldn't Have To Believe In Anything You Hear About.
@ZaidThriller Here are some facts:law came into force in 2010,woman with burka will be fined € 150 and removal to a police station,man forced his wife to wear the burka will be fined 30,000 euros and 2 years in prison.This law has widespread support of Frenchmen.This means that no one will suffer if the ninja gone.,,in Bulgaria even a ban on headscarves or cloths for head in schools, universities and institutions.but we are not so gentlemen as Frenchmen..)))
(Verse from the quran)And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons..." [Al-Qur'an 24:31] They wear the burqa to protect themselfs from other men, why is it so hard for some people to accept that?!
Yet more idiotic laws against people having a choice to represent themselves in a non threatening manner, In no way does a burqa represent terrorism nor does it condone acts of violence nor political issues or religious!
Yet people are still allowed to wear crucifixes (Religious) and pin badges or patch's with a swastika (Racism/Hate) and also can hand out in the streets leaflets and flyers about governments and laws (Political).
Welcome to the new world full of hypocritical idiots!!!
You fags and other criminals couldnt win at sodom n gommorah. You will die and enter hell. The lord doesnt like you fags and disobedient scumbags. Have you heard about my good buddy Moses?:)
@najamaldin Lol yo moron go study real history and science. Your sodom and gamoura hasd nothign to do with god or morality , or gays etc.
You had a metero hit the alps and the debries landed on these towns and other areas killing many innocents, the sexaully liberated, harmelss gays and your real criminals, hot rock dont care who is good or bad. Moses looks like a paranoid scitzoprenic, and you have things like the moses water to blood just toxic red algea explining the frongs etc
here is a thought... Why do muslims stick a barrier up between them and the locals then complain when the locals object? Everyone else mixes freely so gets accpeted. So muslims loose the barriers, no face coverign, socialise, so woemn are not only kept within family and marriage and you get accepted
@ComboTheCat Here's a better one....does societies disagreement with a certain lifestyle give it the right to ban it simply because it is controversial? and if so then to what extent is that power given? and who decides what is "socially" acceptable or not? (yea its moronic that i have to ask) So if people don't like anything you do because they believe it is a "barrier" to them does that give them the right to ban something you feel is a violations of your right to choose?
@ComboTheCat You see the problem with this world is that we like to take the easy way out of things. (even though it ends up making things worse rather then better) We like to tell people how they should look, talk, and hell feel. If not then they don't pass some delusional normality test that seems to crop up every time there is some group we don't agree with. It is strange indeed that these women fight so hard to have the right to make their own chooses and people still think they're forced.
Oh im one who is very easy going on looks. I have no problem with funky coloured hair, tattoos, piecings, skimpy outfits, as none of this is connected with any violence or trouble. you put an end to it when the clothign ois dangerous such as wearign rings when working with electics, hair must be tied up near machinery, you cant also have loose clothign like burkas.. Burka + lather = wearer torn to pieces, common sense that plus no gang colours/patches, etc
@ComboTheCat Sir they are fully aware of this and considering they have been functioning so well without barely an incident of something like that occurring i testimont of that. Remember I'm all against religious institution and whatever garb they wear, but i respect their right to wear it. Its a saying we got here "Though I may disagree with what you say, I will defend to death your right to say it" which ironically enough may have a french origin (ah amusing)
@KrasusDumat instead of saying they have a right to wear it look what comes with the outfit, the attiudes it encourages, the violence from the segregation how it causes conflict between musklsim and non muslsims whihc was not there when there was no burka as you would see with turkish and tunisan woman.
Hitler got in due to people like you letting his kind do what they want as you would juast say let the brown shirts do what they want , islam is like the nazis very much so
It is strange indeed that these women fight so hard to have the right to make their own chooses and people still think they're forced.
oh it starts with a choice just to be different then is followed by stuff like this
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you see we see all the stuff you try and hide on the reality of islam all the stonigns to death, persecution of singles, gays, girls, witches, musicians
Actually it depends what that lifestyle is? is said lifestyle harmless to others or harmful to those in it and others. Ie lets alpply your thinkign to :
Violent post code gangs who kill others simply as from a diff postal district, kkk who lynch & persecute black people, football houligans, how about aztecs whos culture involves raiding villages, killing many then human sacrificing the guys and sex slaving the girls, Femle genital mutilation. Where is the line drawn?
@ComboTheCat In a free society it never does and never should. (unless its anything but a democracy) I'll make this simple they have the right to be in a gang (some gangs aren't even violent, remember gangs were created as a form of communal protection against other violent forces.) They have the right to live that lifestyle, but they don't have the right to commit a crime on someone else. (you see the difference) I'm not targeting their lifestyle but rather the crime upon another(simple right?)
@ComboTheCat here in the states we allow gangs and the kkk their freedom to say whatever they want and to live that lifestyle. Crime against another is not tolerated without created obscene laws in some false attempt to "solve" the issue.
here in the states we allow gangs and the kkk their freedom to say whatever they want and to live that lifestyle.
And whats the result?
dead persecuted black peoepl, no go areas for decent peoepl and cops, crack flodded streets, gun fights, and killign, intimidation, violence etc etc.
Yes lets allow that freedom. its no good pickign at the odd gang member you have to wipe out all in the gang and the culture to stop it perminantely and fre folk from the abuse
Nobody has issue with kids having friends or giving the group a name as long as it does not go around intimdating, abusing, bullying, drug dealign, mugging, attacking others , behaving badley and attackign anyoen who challenged it.
A few kids skateboarding is not a problem.thing is cgangs act as a group, peoepl cannot say act as witcness on one as they others come after you. its a power trip to dominate much like islam, both have the same attiudes to girls etc
@KrasusDumat Oh I like controversy and have no probls with funky hair, tatoos, many diff culture dress... The line is drawn with sexisim, segregation, abuse, animal cruetly, mysogonistic practices, homophobia, violence, sex slavoury such as arranged marriages, hnour killing and violence, domination of one group ie one sex by the other etc.
Its easy to work out social acceptabilty on basis like that. A shek turban does nto come with any negative isses other than crash helmets
@ComboTheCat uh huh your opinion is noted but again thats all it is and all it should be. (get it) We have the right to an ideal an opinion, but we have no right to impose it on others. (lest you become like the ones you so hate) What it means to you, does not include what it means to this women.
You need to look at all that comes wit the buka & none of it is good,it pushes all the other nasty abusive intimdation, dominance of islam, when you allow bukas you have all other girls abused as considered dirty & immoral, rapes go up as those uncovered are considered fair game, muslim guys dont grwo up with girls as friends so objectify them, you have muslsim girls fearing rape if attacked and muslim teens grwoign up with no love in hearts only fanatical brainwashing
@KrasusDumat Its no good say tryign to fight an army by sniping the odd soldier you need to destroy the weapins factories,supply routes, trainign areas to stop any more being created, to take all theat gives it power. By pushing more uniforms be they nazi brown shirts, burkas or kkk outfits these groups can intimidate others segregate, whihc leads to conflict, take girls away from outside influence they would get fromfreiends outside islam just hearing violent racist islam brainwash
Its interesting how you miss out what this barrier leads to like the thousands of forced marriages , honour killings, allowing male family members to dominate the lives of females, how it segregates muslsims to constant listenign to very facisitic clerics scum who brainwash your lifestyle folk into thinking gays should be killed and oncovered woemn threatened to yoru sharia law, where racisim to the kuffair is encouraged pushing violece and insantiy over burnt books
@ComboTheCat Your ranting on personal critics of the religion not the freedoms that are being violated. What one chooses is their own business and should remain that way if no crime against you has been committed. I don't like Islam, I don't like any institutionalized religion that turns faith into a business for which you "donate" to receive a greater glory of God. (i think its bs) But I damn well sure wouldn't want someone voting away my right to believe in w/e i believe.
@KrasusDumat Thing is you are only looking at the outside of the islam ie the micro issue of this outfit, you need to look at the macro plans, look at what hap to countires which allowed the burka, & let islam take over & what hell holes they are now, how by folk liek U allowing their freedom everyone else lost theirs, how gays & dating girls once free how are killed there, girls acid attacked for going to school,flooged for trousers freedom to drive and dress non islamic taken away
MUSLIM WOMEN HAVE TO DRESS LIKE GHOSTS BECAUSE MUSLIM MEN CANNOT CONTROL THEIR SEXUAL URGES AND START ABUSING THEM? I ADMIRE WESTERN MEN WHO RESPECT THEM ANYWAY THEY DRESS AND IF THEY DON'T THE LAW FALLS ON THEM, NOT IN THE MUSLIM WORLD WHERE A WOMAN ARE ALWAYS WRONG "FOR PROVOKING MEN". DO YOU THINK IT IS FAIR THAT WOMEN HAVE TO DRESS LIKE NINJAS TO BE RESPECTED? WHY DON'T YOU TEACH MUSLIM MEN TO RESPECT YOU, MUSLIM WOMEN, WHATEVER YOU WEAR? MODESTY IS WITHIN AND NOT WHAT YOU WEAR
HA HA HA...THESE WOMEN DRESSED IN BLACK LIKE A MOBILE TENT SAY THAT "ONLY HER MIND COUNTS" BUT IF THAT IS THE CASE WHY DRESS IN SUCH A NOTICEABLE AND RIDICULOUS WAY? SHE'S JUST ATTRACTING ATTENTION LOOKING LIKE A BAT. MODESDY? NO, MODESTY IS WITHIN AND DOESN'T NEED TO BE RUBBED ON PEOPLE'S FACE LOUDLY WITH SUCH A GARMENT. ON THE CONTRARY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE MODEST REMAIN VERY DISCREET. AH, SHE DRESSES LIKE A NINJA BECAUSE OTHERWISE "SHE WOULD BE DESIRED BY MEN" HOW FOOLISH AND PRETENTIOUS!
@BNS224 I never said you fear death. You are extremely afraid of being held accountable for all your words and actions of this life, to the extent you are in self-denial of the all too clever and creative lord of the worlds recording technology.
Stop trying to defend homosexuals,atheists, and other enemies of good. He destroyed Sodom and Gommorah for good reason, replaced it with muslim sites.
The creator of you is crafty,stern, but fair.How smart do you have to be to design a human body?
@alinna29 The Muslim Country I was talking about in my comment was Saudi Arabia where every other religion and way of life is Banned. France didn't ban any religion or way of life. Just the burqa in public places due to many reasons...
@BNS224 aka you are in human form on the earth. You are not in heaven where everything is perfect. But since you dont believe you are going, make the most out of this crappy-disease/death filled planet. just tell yourself that u r already in paradise and "MAYBE" you won't die one day and realize hell is a worse place than earth.
@ColAtheist You wont get away with nothing. You aint even safe from your creator while you are alive. You wont escape the death he has planned for you, no one has yet.
Every wicked act that you do or encourage others to do based off your ridiculous assertion and lifestyle of atheism and blasphemy,,,,its recorded and the technology he used is incomprehensible by the greatest scientists. So scary all the shit people do to hurt themselves.... :(
@ColAtheist muslims are not just arabs you know? they are also Europeans as well. So Frenchman born and raised in the country can be Muslims. Just like there can be a Japanese christian born and raised in his country.
@KrasusDumat I know that, but there are extremely few ethnic french muslim converts, at least in comparison to the muslim immigrants in France.
I stand by my original point: Why do muslims complain when they can't wear the burqa in France when there are plenty of countries where they are allowed to wear it.
We don't want you in Europe so why are you coming here? You people obviously seem to like Islam, then why not stay in a muslim country?
@ColAtheist I'm sorry how do you know the number of French citizens that are Muslim are few and could you provide that data. I stand also by my previous point: why is their a law at all that restricts anyone from wearing anything. Thats invasive to the civil liberties of the individual and that whole "if you don't like it get out" is the most redneck talking point I've ever heard. When a country proclaims itself a democracy, it should not turn around and do the opposite only for convenience
@ColAtheist Sir i'm not in Europe (thank god) and i'm not Muslim (anti-establishment christian), I neither like or dislike Islam but i do like democracy and freedom. I do hope I don't have to clarify that being against this law and protecting civil liberties doesn't equals (insert comical idea here). Heck i don't like any religious establishment but there is nothing I hate more then a minority being targeted for something they say, wear, think, or do (especially when it is personal choice)
Of course there should be a law that restricts people from covering their face in public, it makes perfect sense. If we ignore the social aspects, how are you gonna control, for example, what somebody brings into a bank beneath their burqa.
Or in a classroom, how are you gonna make sure that the person behind the burqa really is the person you think it is?
The burqa is just a ridiculous piece of clothing from an even more ridiculous cult
@ColAtheist Thats your opinion and Wikipedia should NEVER be used as a credible source. It makes no sense for any law restricting clothing or attire based on unjustified fears and misconceptions. But again this is all opinions and speculations, overall this is an invasion of civil liberties and its being justified by creating ridiculous scenarios. We have similar groups that do the same down in the states "If we let gay marriage happen, then man and beast will be next" (i know stupid)
@ColAtheist So many ways you can find out who is under the burqa. Fingerprint, Voice, I.D. card (doesn't need a law banning it to do this), Blood test, urine test, and other ways i can't even think of. None of which require a ban and can you believe that some of these ladies actually take there veil off when in court and such.
Holy Christ-wagons man. If I was one of these women, I would gladly shed all that garb knowing that I don't have to worry anymore about some guy whipping me for not wearing it just because his big fucking beard says he can. No more looking like a torpedo. But then again, I guess when raised by this ideology, it's hard for me to see it that way.
actually westerns need pussies to fuck :-) its all what they care about seriously. Muslims care about the sole of a women just as their bodies :-) but as I told U westerns think of a women as a body, as a tool where can stick their penises. which in totally inhuman :-) :-) but who understands :-(
I'm just sick of this Stupid Religion. They are beyond dialogue or common sense.
It is to our best interests that we leave them alone, Let them walk in those stupid Burqas and we'll point and laugh at these stupid women that choose to humiliate themselves.
@forgottenmemories63 dese women wear deir abayas coz dey dnt want to flaunt their beauty an b stared at..........u need to respect them fr doing wat dey beleive is ryt an nt laugh at dem !! >.<
@alinna29 How do you even speak to people if you have no face or Identity ? You can be mistaken to be someone else. I understand that Islamic women want to preserve their modesty (Or so they claim) by dressing in a veil, But covering oneself completely, Not even revealing one's face ?
This seems harmless at first but it alienates people into different groups in a Society - "Muslim" & "Non Muslim" women and the most importantly, Burqa is a Major threat to Security since it conceals oneself.
@forgottenmemories63 whether dey want to reveal deir face or no is an individuals wish.......dese women dnt wish to show deir faces in public, so y r dey being forced....wen women walk around barely dressed no1 has a issue, y is dat ?!
@alinna29 Well, The French don't think Burqa represents French culture so they banned it with many European Nations soon to follow. I don't see anything wrong if they think the Burqa doesn't suit their Culture, Infact I urge every Sensible country in the world to ban the Burqa and allow only Hijab.
You don't see Americans or Europeans head to Saudi Arabia and demanding to be allowed to wear Bikinis or short skirts on the streets. That's their Cultural rules, you gotta respect it.
@alinna29 Yes, the Burqa does alienate Muslim women because all Burqas look alike, meaning they resemble more of a Uniform or Cult. This leads to a feeling of "Us" & "Them" among women who dress diversely, To avoid this Burqa must be banned.
Muslim women must learn to adopt to different Cultures and dress accordingly to where they head. I don't see the point of heading to some other Nation and complaining that they aren't tolerant of your culture, It's you who needs to adopt to their culture :)
@forgottenmemories63 Culture is not a uniform where everyone walks and talks the same, wearing a burqa is not a disrespect of the culture. I really starting to question if French have reverted back to fascism.
@ComboTheCat I've already explained in detail the absurdity of the law and your generalizations and perceptions are so overspent to the point of it being laughable. Just because you don't like what someone wears (regardless of what you believe it symbolizes for you) does not give you or I the right to create a law to ban it. If you can't realize the undertones of what is being done then you cannot realize what it means to live in a free society.
Look buddy go look how hitler came to power. it was as peopel liek you let him and his buddies slowly introduce facisim to allow free society as you say,
it should not include freely allowing facisit sexist thinking as thias empowers all the bad guys who wont be satisified with just a burka outfit,
it means girls are hidden from socieity so they can do what they want with them then its too late the girls loose their freedom
@ComboTheCat Its ironic that you would bring out Hitler when looking at what you say you mimic the focus on the rights of a particular group just like the nazi's did. Fascists are those who impose political power on others based on personal opinion. (disgusting i know) You have the right to an opinion, not to the right to dictate how people should live there lives. What Europe did is appeasement, which is different from upholding the very ideals that a democracy stands for.
Actually I have no problem with buddists, wicca, hippies etc as their idieology does not hurt, others, is not power hungrey, wantsign to take away all other democractic freedoms.
In a democracy you do not give 'freedom to sex traffic gir;ls, no freedom to have human sacrifice and cannibalisim, no freedom to lynch black peoep, have forced marriages, female gential mutilation, segregate sexes, no freedom to go around saying kill gays and kuffairs etc
@ComboTheCat But in a democracy you give freedom to wear what you want and that is wear this law fails. I'm still shocked you don't get why this law is so wrong in so many ways and solves non of the perceptions you have of islam. (Wow just wow) The word choice exists and what you say is not uncommon in Europe. Its not like they haven't done that for about a thousand years. Again you are attacking an extreme practice of cultural arabs who fuse it with Islam.
I'm still shocked you don't get why this law is so wrong in so many ways and solves non of the perceptions you have of islam.
I also woudl not allow kkk, nazis, gangs...
to put it in really simple terms. only nicey wisey fluffy wuffy, liberal, caring, sexaully open, relaxed, peace loving, open, mixing beleif systems into equality and fairness, no histeria are to be allowed.
There is no extreame arab miniority in islam, whole countires do it
Thing is the right to live your life the way you want ends when that way resticts interaction between sexes, when its involves goign into shops threatenting to kill girls for not covering hair and giving contrception, when it involves attacking gays, coverign up girls on posters, making girls marry, stop girls having guy friends and filling their heads with fears of attack if not covered etc.
Freedom is not the freedom to impose a facist inquistion or cuase trouble
@ComboTheCat Wrong the right to live your life as you choose should never and can never end. My answer to all your claims (i'm going to assume all are valid just for the fun) Freedom of and Freedom for religion. A free society has to have the ability to accept different ideals and ways of life, while keeping those ideals from becoming law. (goes both ways) Its not very difficult and is done with Christianity all around the world.
@KrasusDumat There should be no blanket freedom of relgion, instead you look at the last 1000 years and ONLY those beleif systems with no history of homophobis, sexsim, repression, inquistion, dominance, violence, domination, terrosisim, fmaily honour, sexaul reprssion, cast/class sytems etc be allowed
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Wicca and buddism fits that as do varuous native tribal beleifs.
its just liek you dont allow rape, murder, canniblaisim, gangs, nazis, kkk etc
Wicca and buddisim aint bas, its the conservative, sexist, mysogoniist, homophobia, narro minded, heavey meatller abuser, nasty abuse of girls for flirting, dancing dressing to their hormones, sexting, history of female genital mutilation, torture, witch burning, inquistions, terrorisim, magdelen asslyums , unfair casts systems, honour nonsese, sexaul repression, attacks on contrception, abuse of those with radical hairsyles, mysic and tattoos I hate
@ComboTheCat you give a new meaning to the term "tunnel vision" your views are your own hurdle to deal with. Still has nothing to do with this law nor does it justify its passing. Wow man it must take a large amount of ignorance to just clump as many negatives into anything in such a hateful manner. Doesn't matter if the vast majority of religious individuals are nothing like this or the fact that non-religious individuals are no better. Ah the human condition.
If islam was like hippies and did nothign wrogn peoepl liek me would have nothign to hate. Im an athiest but have no issues with buddisim or wicca as no violence, sharia, segregation, no honour killign, forced marriage, flogging, amputating, no attacks on uncovered girls, no sexsim, homophobia, no stoning, no death worship, etc.Those who sign up to such a cult are just as guioldty as those comminting the axts as supporting it, funding it, givinng credibility of number
@ComboTheCat Again you speak of your opinions of Islam (nothing to do with the topic) you should debate that with someone who cares for religion (i don't) I care for individual freedoms (read please before you go on another rant about Islam) It almost sounds like you have your own little cult "lets hate Islam because of whatever i see which I blatantly say is everyone who is Muslim" (Ignorance is truly bliss) When your done talking to yourself about what you think of islam tell me
@KrasusDumat Only wicca and buddisim are peacful... all conservative, puritan, sexisim and that includes christiniantiy, all calss systems so hindu caate, anythign sexaully repressive, anythgin that separates guys and girls, etc needs wiping out, only fluffy bunny huggy relgions can be allowed
@ComboTheCat Atheists like you remind me of Stalin or Mao Zedong. Let me guess you are extreme left so that means your communist...but not the good communist the dictatorial communist. (wonderful)
@ComboTheCat Atheists like you remind me of Stalin or Mao Zedong. Let me guess you are extreme left so that means your communist...but not the good communist the dictatorial communist. (wonderful)
@ComboTheCat Atheists like you remind me of Stalin or Mao Zedong. Let me guess you are extreme left so that means your communist...but not the good communist the dictatorial communist. (wonderful)
@KrasusDumat "...Muslim women must..." woah woah woah, that's right Muslim women are thought of as objects in the muslim world and they are NOT to be seen and NOT to be heard. The dictatorship comes from the people who force these women to wear the burqa. ALL religions are based on the fairy tales of holy books that are so fabricated that a child can see through them until those children are brainwashed and forced to goose step in the name of their religion and DIE for their god. PATHETIC!
@IntoDust24 thats a very broad statement for which your claiming my friend. You are centering this statement based on media coverage of extremists Arab Muslims in certain middle eastern countries. This is far from the case as most Muslim are nowhere near like what you see on television. Dictatorship comes from those who tell these women what to wear and what not to. You assume that all of these women are doing it not by their own choice (that's very presumptuous) It is their choice how they..
@KrasusDumat The principle reasons behinds such a general ban on burqa/niqabs in public places gender equality and social order. (Not fascist at all!) From a western perspective, many consider the more extremist Islamic laws (banning of women from work or leaving their home unless accompanied by their husband) a serious infringement on the women rights. The banning of such practices should not be regarded as an attack on Muslim rights but a attempt to protect their gender equality.
The principle reason why the Conseil d'Etat and Conseil Constituionnel didn't explicitly use gender equality as the legal basis of the Act is that some women of course do voluntarily wear the burqa. The risk of women being forced to wear such it against their will is a high price to pay to let a couple of hundred women wear it of their own will. The women forced by their husbands to either stay home or wear the burqa are never going to have the chance assimilate into French culture or society,
@GossageMr This has nothing to do with gender equality as your dictating what someone should wear and why. If they choose to wear this in a free society then gender equality would be to allow them to wear it. (regardless of your personal feelings) We are not even talking about Islamic laws in the east nor how they dictate there country. We are speaking about a free society that is infringing on individual freedoms. This is an attack on muslim women, and most of all individual civil rights.
@KrasusDumat no if you allow this the other nasty islamic stuff comes with it... we never had honour killings, 100s if not 1000s endign up in forced marriages etc in this country before islamic burkas, likewiase islamic guys never refered to geirls as sluts and whores for goign out, and islamic girls had no fear of guys.
@ComboTheCat Europe had crusades against pagans which is much worse then honor killings. Honor killings is more of a cultural thing but again this is beside the point. This about the individual freedoms of others to wear what they wish. A free society should easily handle freedom of and freedom from religion.
In islam there is no separateion of culture, politics, power, relgion, way of life, laws and thinking, its all one thing, the relgion is used to control mass minds and enforce and justify the most horrific acts so you have peoepl saying islam is right, its peacful, its yoru right to burn alive gays who harm nobody, to kill girls for sex outside marriage etc to attack girls for showign face.You dont get freedom to act in a manner to take it away and dominate
@ComboTheCat knowing many Muslims and Christians, they do not follow there archaic ideologies to the letter. In fact most use it as a guide for there spiritual replenishment. (that is the majority) Again this is not about criticism of Islam this is the invasion of individual freedoms that is easily being accepted by so called "free societies". But its nice that you have no shame in revealing what the real reasons for this law was (target female Muslims who wear a burqa).
@KrasusDumat Since when have muslsim done anythign that is not to the letter? what you call stonign to death, and flogging for wearign trousers, driving, beard lenght, playign chess, flyign kits, listenign to music, being gay etc, look how muslsims talk about sexaul objectification and their histoeria abotu all matters sexaul
Islam takes away all others freedom so it should have none, it has not earned it.
@ComboTheCat Since the modern age...religious fanatics are few and far apart my friend. Religion doesn't take away freedoms, it is a guide for those who are faithful. You always have a choice and free will is yours into defining your relationship with God is. Sorry my friend but your only talking about a small portion of Islam in comparison to the rest of them. (same goes with christian and jews)
religious fanatics are few and far apart my friend. Religion doesn't take away freedoms##
Im sorry but thats an outrigth lie, how you think islamic sharia law in implimented in countires the size of saudi arabia, afganistans, iran etc?
3 bad guys?
no you have all the clerics hate preachignm, all those working for the moral police, the floggers, executioners, the admin staff workign for them, the community doig nothing to stop floggings and stonings etc
You always have a choice and free will is yours into defining your relationship with God is.
Not when the choice is execution by torture for aposty, turning atienst and how safe are muslim gurls who convert to wicca in islamic countries, how safe are all the gays, the lesbains, dancers, actresses? you had peoepl wanitng a teacher executed for lettign kids name a teddy bear mohummed.Look at the dutch cartoons, why not make your own, its not a samll proportion
@KrasusDumat Sinve the modern age relgious fantics take over whole countires take over all the police, control the law, enforce that attiudes with brain washing clerics, relgious schools, cover u[p females so they dont interact with non muslsims,
Your good muslsim are like hitlers secretary, or the person sewing kkk outfits and lynching ropes, or those who hang out with mafia living off the money from the crime but not actually doign any of the dirty work. but increase number/power
@ComboTheCat Again don't care about religious institutions and your are so off point that this has become your own personal rant. I would tell you to stick to the topic but your so focused on Islam and your opinions of it that its not even worth the effort. Sorry but your ignorant if you claim to know all Muslims or Christians. To clump them together is to be as misinformed as one can be. (this is beside the point) Again this is about individual RIGHTS
@KrasusDumat No not just is;lam, hate christinity as well along with all puritan conservative thinkign... so sextign normal in a couple, no problem with a teacher who used to be a pole dancer as a student or teacher still part time stipper, contrception free in schools, severe punishments for callig anyoen slut or whore,legalise and regualt prostitution, gays get equal treatment, no companies alowed to discriminate against radical hair styles, sex ed from age 4 weekly, open attiudes
You can tell but you need to prove. saying somethign is peacful dont count.... you personally will have to go to all islamic countires and end every single act of sexisim
You lie when you say its only a minority... who does a minority enforce laws? how does it arrest and hnot have the mob stop it. IF YOU WERE NOT A LIER THEN NO STOING WOULD OCCUR AS ALL THE PEOEPL WOULD RESCUE THE GIRLS, LIKEWISE ALL HNOUR KILLERS WOULD BE KILLED BY THE MOBS.
@ComboTheCat Well most of what you said below doesn't count since you've just rambling till the break of dawn. Come to the states, there are no honor killings or any of what your talking about. Go to New York which has a high Muslim populations and see if they are killing people there. Your so out of touch that you've lost yourself in your hate.
@KrasusDumat I dont see any of your good muslsim lifting a finger to stop all the sexsim & homnophobia so callign you a lier.So where are all yoru good muslims ? why dont they force gay pride parades in mecca? why dont yoru good muslsim with all these numbers drive a bulldozer into jails to free girls facing violence abuse, why dont your muslsim stand guard whilst unmarried couples make out publiclly letting their bully dads & brothers no if they so much as threaten they are dead?
@ComboTheCat Call me what you want I know Muslims who are in the american military as well as the intelligence agencies taking out extremists who claim themselves to be the "righteous Muslims" I know Muslims who fight and die each day trying to make change and create free societies only to be assassinated or killed. I know women and men standing together in Arabic countries struggling against a powerful minority who are ruling in fear. Your misinformed and that is the truth
When I found out cathlolic church was full of crap with a history of abuse I quit and turned on it whay dont your good muslsim do the same... why be part of such a evil cult? ots like a black paerson staying part of the kkk
there is no logic in it
The only reason in us you lack mohnour nkilling and there have been is as islsm has little power, as soon as it ets a foothold, numbers, power it it seeks control and you get your hnoru killigns
@ComboTheCat No you can gather certain events and information and make a large generalization. Again I don't care what your beliefs or your views or how you foster them pertaining from any of the Abrahamic religions. I care about individual rights and freedoms which are being violated and targeting Muslim women who choose to wear the Burqa in a free society. (i hope you don't do another rant please don't) This has nothing to do with your critics of religious institutions.
If you join the mafia, kkk, nazis, evil; abusive relgion like islam and christianity, local mugger gang , etc you will be judged for that gropus actions and affexct on the community as you will be deemed to support the ideology of that group and adding to its numbers you empower it thus encourage its abusive acts. Even if say you dont directly take part in any violence.
Any actions connected to the group are not individual ie burkas, as oppsed to a scooby doo top
@ComboTheCat That is where your failing, you cannot judge the actions of some to all. (common sense). Christianity, Islam, Atheists, and many more are all depended upon the person rather then the ideal. Its not like i think all atheists are stalin or mao just because they were atheists. (makes no sense). Anyone who has this type of mentality needs to be (as you said it so perfectly) wiped out. Thats just to much ignorance to even debate about. Again this is not about Islam "right" or "wrongs"
Actually you can judge the actions of some to all ie if you join an army you know is say persectuting say a tribe, working for the mining company that is stealing their land and poisoning the peoepl, killing the locals, you cannot blaime them if they try and kill you even if you just load the weaposn the killers use and dont shoot anyone.
Thing with islam is it does not allow independant thought, you are told how to think with rules on everythgin has harman or halal
@KrasusDumat This is about islam rights and wrong... look at the central running policies and moralty issues concerning sex, sexaulity, females, gays etc
I never see muslims saying how pretty girls look in their dresses, or muslim brothers cheeking singing abdul fancies sheena kissy kissy kissy when sheena is their sister. thining it cooll guys find their sis hot as he gets dates to make her happy and loved.
Pretyt much any muslsim Ive heard speck/post say its all objectification
@KrasusDumat When the burka causes segregation,is connected with the push for sharia law,sexisim, oppression girls not wanting to cover up, , the segregation results in girls being made to wear this from early childhood in madrasses so they grwo up fearing guys and with no connection to the outside world accept arranged marriages and become hidden so with no firends liable to hnour violenbce then yes you cant allow such freedom. you need to look beond the cloth to what it stands for
@ComboTheCat The Burqa does not cause segregation as they continue to function in everyday society. They do not have to conform to a certain "societal" standard but rather function within it by contributing to it through productive means. (job) What and why someone does something is unknown to most of us, this is all speculative since you don't know those individuals personally. Furthermore, Individual freedoms include controversial ideas and lifestyles. The price of a true free society.
The Burqa does not cause segregation as they continue to function in everyday society.
how if the aim is to be invisible and deter guys from talkign to them... why is it muslsim are tought to beleive all guys want to fuck girls and have no other interest in them?
Why should muslim woemn be alloowed to see mens faces if the man cannot see theirs? controversion ideas yes, sexsim, repression, segregation no.
iuslam is utterl against free socieity, it domiantes
@KrasusDumat I have nothign to be ashamed of, its islam with the evil burka to stop girls mixing with guys who are not their family, relgion or husbands...
So they can live single life with no control over them, so they stop fearing the outside world and thrive in it
To get away from the brainwashign where they think all life is ,is family and arranged marriage and the islamic bubble whihc needs breaking so there is free mixing of the sexaes and muslsims and non muslims
@ComboTheCat You will never get it will you so i'm going to stop trying to explain to you how stupid and foolish it is to support this law and how little it has anything to do with your perceptions of islam. I've told you multiple times over and over again
Here the thing if you got rid of the niquab and burkas peoepl would be more likely to talk to muslsims and see them as more human and friendly rather than nutters who hate the kuffair, theink guys all want to rape them and living in that messed up cult life.
Get rid of the barriers peoepl mix, muslsims loose the nasty insane attiudes and people see them as more human when they mix sically and sexaully forming relationship with non muslims and no control over girls
@ComboTheCat your absolutely wrong on this one, you don't do things based on whether someone likes it or not. (thats rather pathetic don't you think) If people don't wish to speak to me because i look or act different then me then by all means. Its called choice and if I choose to wear something that is my Choice and if it has the adverse affect that not many people want to talk to me that is their choice. Your personal views on Islam is irrelevant and as far as i know twisted.
@KrasusDumat Nothign twisted about it.. you just go look what happens when you allow a beleif and let it have power and see what happens when it has power
ie
/watch?v=PBJRsh4bn3k
/watch?v=e0mKw41UUwQ
this is what happens when you allow the burka, this is what peoepl liek yo want doento girls. This needs nipping in the bud with a zero tollerance appraoch to all things sexaull represseive and segregationist, france takes responsibility for stoppign fantiacisim, honour killing etc
@ComboTheCat Ok now i know you have nothing to back up your bias claims, you looked up you tube video as a justification for your absurd generalizations. Its like looking for a video that catches a (insert any group here) person doing crime and claiming that they are all criminals. Also the Burqa does not bring this, its the extremist groups or the ultra conservatives in certain parts of Arabia and Africa that does this. (you may wish to observe the difference)
@ComboTheCat What you want is to strip away individual rights just because of your perspective of what wearing the burqa entails. Do you understand how fascist that is? to assume the position that you know whats best for others? to assume that your reasoning of what someone does or wear must be singular and solely based on what you say? This is why I'm watching France closely because of idiots who support this law based on an illogical paranoia.
You MUST mix openly with all no cover ups, no barriers so must all interact. no segregating selves into muslim only groups, its muslims causing all the problems here,
if there was no coverign up any more than others, no pushing islam in others fances then peoepl would openly caht and accpet people.
you need to look beyond your cloth and see what evil burkas stand for ,a segreationist system where clearics have control over hwo peoepl think pushing a violence, fantic
@ComboTheCat WRONG no one must do anything just because you think they should. (your a dictator and you don't even realize it) Your sounding like the people you so quickly point out in the video. (go figure) "Its Muslims causing all the problems here" Sounds so familiar "Its Jews causing all the problems here" It's amazing its like you can't even live your life because people choose to wear their religious garb. How can you function at all? current free society is so mixed.
@ComboTheCat People should not do anything for acceptance nor in any sort of way that requires conformity. (thats not how it works buddy) Now if say France was fascist or claimed itself to be a dictatorship then I would understand. As for everything else its just not relevant to the conversation as this is not about criticism of Islam (something you don't get) This about freedoms that are (at least in practice) assured to citizens of a free nation.
A free society should easily handle freedom of and freedom from religion.
So whaty is the limit? you dont think do you... so ok
How about warrior relgions? ie vikinisim whihc has no rules against killing and robbery where you are supposed to die weapon in hand... now Im pretty sure gang thugs & muggers would love that.
How about canniablisim... demanding the right to kill and eat people? thats relgion.
Or myans/aztecs wanting mass human sacrifice to sun god?
@forgottenmemories63 a burqa does nt alienate ppl into diff. groups.........a head scarf itself clearly indicates whether d person is a muslim or no, infact any persons dressing indicates a lot about them lyk deir nationality, social status, religion, financial status etc....
so den wat do u suggest ? dat evrybody in a nation wear d same clothes so dat d society is nt differentiated into groups ?
dressing does nt alienate ppl, it just is a kinda indicator of ur background !
the same thing women in afghanistan are experiencing for not wearing the burqa is the same as the experience of these women who do wear the burqa ugh it never ends
@Abullah1992 They may be citizens of France, but they are not native to france and do not consider themselves as such. You know this to be true. There's difference between ones homecountry and the land of your ancestors.
@Northern85Star Does it matter? what about white French who are of German, Saxon decent? I'm Scottish of Irish decent but does that matter? does that give me any less right to wear what I want in my own country as a man? or vote? or sit at the front of a bus? or eat in the same place as a ''native''?
What about Englishmen that are of Norman decent? should they be allowed to wear a beret and a ring of onions round their neck? of course they should AND speak French if they want.
@Abullah1992 Frenchmen has their customs and they want to protect what they and their ancestors have build. They dont like closed ideologies like islam, which prohibits marrial integration. Muslims would react likewise.. or possibly much worse, should millions of Europeans move to the middle east and demand western culture. And as would all other countries. Point is, if you move to a country, you have to adapt. It's common sense.
@Northern85Star This world is for all, cultures, languages and religions change as time goes on. You can't live in the past and hold onto what things used to like. Culture and language evolves, it's natural and things change over time. Islam is a good way of life that teaches morals, good deeds, worshiping God, charity and benefiting all mankind. Silly ideologies like Nationalism, Patriotism ect drags us back into the dark ages that Islam brought us out of with the Islamic Golden age and reason.
@Northern85Star For example I'm Muslim and I couldn't care less if Mecca tomorrow became 100% Jewish. As I said before people can choose what religion they follow and language, culture, demographics and religion changes over time.
@Abullah1992 You're wrong in so many ways. West can hold on to how things used to be, because muslims hold on the how things were 1400 years ago! If Islam was so good, islamists would not have done 9/11, created the taleban, al-queda and so forth, along with saddam houssein and his mass slaughter of kurds, almajinedad and his wish to kill all jews. Just as there would not be more crime done by muslim immigrants in Europe! You need to prove yourself for us to trust you.
@Northern85Star Your having a laugh aren't you? Taliban and al qaeda was a creation of the CIA, Osama bin laden was given $3,000,000,000 by the CIA. They started Taliban to fight the soviets in the 80s when they invaded Afghanistan. Same with saddam, it was the Americans that funded saddam when he invaded Iran and authorized him to buy chemical weapons after making him an honorary citizen of detriot in 1980 and giving him and his regime full support. Ahmadinejad does NOT want all jews dead>
@Northern85Star <He wants Israel as a state to disband & cease to exist because it shouldn't be there anyway that's what he meant when he said ''Israel should disappear from the map'' Just look at the 11 functioning synagogues in Iran. Last I remember it was Europe that gassed 6,000,000 Jews. Just ask the 250,000 Jews who fled to the ottoman empire after the Spanish inquisition in 1492 along with christians who were given full ottoman citizenship.
@Abullah1992 Ok, why shouldnt Israel exist, when muslims are doing what jews did in the beginning of 20th century, but in Europe? Muslims have voted against the swiss flag ffs! Muslims have implemented sharia law in Europe! I'm against israel too, for that exact reason. I bet the Palestinians feel stupid for not preventing jewish immigration a lot sooner.
I'm not into conspiracy theories, the entire muslim world was cheering at 9/11, 3000 innocent people dead. Enough said.
@Northern85Star We dont have to PROVE ourselves in our own country! Just like muslims don't need to prove themselves in the country of their forefathers.
Woaaa... whats with the gloves too???
DiorAmoreDior 1 day ago
why cant they just blend in? if dont like it, theres other country to go.
everybody blended in. if someday all man suddenly wanted helmet/bandana that cover head to toe to be cultural, what then?
it could increase chances of crime, after that its going to increase fear for everyone who near man wearing a helmet/bandana. its so stupid, islam really doesnt make sense and make fucking demand like a child.
now they even use gloves? oh man its so funny its crazy.
superstd 3 days ago
stupid towelheads...fuck islam
megadangerouszone 4 days ago
@megadangerouszone And Fuck You Too, Filthy Animal
ZaidThriller 3 days ago
No one forbids them to wear the burka in their countries,burqa is not banned worldwide))) these sinister ninja ,if they lived in their own countries,will not see a driver's license or a computer ..what a effrontery Talibans...!!!! they retract back into the caves with their black bags...feel seasick when I look them,I do not want my child to be scared of the street,at the sight of sinister black scarecrows,,,,
maranamani11 1 week ago
@maranamani11 Talibans? I Thought They're Not About Religion, Politics.
No Driver's License Or a Computer? They Must Be Poor.
Don't Confuse Religion/Race With Everything, Its Retarded
ZaidThriller 3 days ago
@ZaidThriller Do you know in Dubai there are three types of religious police on the street ,that does not allowed foreign women to wear shorts??Or if you go to Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia you can not go without a headscarf.When these people have chosen to live in europe,they must comply with our culture.If they do not like ,no one can stop them to go.Women in Islamic countries do not have human rights,they are considered as animals.
maranamani11 3 days ago
@maranamani11 Actually, There's No Such "Religious Police" In Dubai. People Can Do Whatever They Wants, I've Went There Last Summer And I Know & Saw What Was Going On, Even Foregin Women Can Wear Short Skirts And No One Would Talk To Them. In Afghanistan, Maybe But In Saudi Arabia, No. Because I Went There Too. Tell Me Where You Get These Lies From?. Listen, Women Here (In The ME) Have Complete Rights, They Can Do/Wear/Work Whatever They Want. IDC Bout Afghanistan Or Pakistan
ZaidThriller 2 days ago
@ZaidThriller In some countries they do not even have the right to education,to drive-by no means.They are slaves to their countries.France has given freedom of these people.France has given everything they do not have in their countries.But they do not appreciate this and began to roar for violated rights.if they were sorry for their rights-please,go home.If I want to watch Ninjas on the street,then I will go to Afghanistan.Do you understand my wish,Please do not break my rights....
maranamani11 3 days ago
@ZaidThriller Also,burka is an insult to men,especially for muslim men.Burka is a symbol and stamp that muslims are incontinent.Passions should be managed otherwise,not so primitive. women according to Islam are carriers of sin,and men are righteous.why women should be wrapped be hidden by righteous men??a truly righteous must not feel seduction even if it is surrounded by naked women.This isunheard hypocrisy.But that's another topic
maranamani11 3 days ago
@maranamani11 And I Don't Like Woman Who Wears "Burka" Its Not Even Somethin That Muslim Women Should Wear. In The Arabian Country Woman Have Full Rights, Maybe Not In Afganistan Or Pakistan (Some Kind Of Trasitions They've There) As I Said. Arabs Didn't Give Women Any Rights Until Islam Came, And Its Stated In The Qu'ran That Every Woman Should Be Equal To Men
ZaidThriller 2 days ago
@ZaidThriller but then they go home,,,no one stops them,,,,we do not want burqa,,Is it very difficult to understand,,,Women have no rights and they are not equal to men:Saudi Arabia,Pakistan,Afghanistan,Asian Turkey,Iran,,,,,,and so on,,
maranamani11 2 days ago
@maranamani11 Lol, Its Your Opinion, Its Not a Fact. I Know Because I Already Lived/Went To These Places, Sometimes You Shouldn't Have To Believe In Anything You Hear About.
ZaidThriller 9 hours ago
@ZaidThriller Here are some facts:law came into force in 2010,woman with burka will be fined € 150 and removal to a police station,man forced his wife to wear the burka will be fined 30,000 euros and 2 years in prison.This law has widespread support of Frenchmen.This means that no one will suffer if the ninja gone.,,in Bulgaria even a ban on headscarves or cloths for head in schools, universities and institutions.but we are not so gentlemen as Frenchmen..)))
maranamani11 8 hours ago
(Verse from the quran)And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons..." [Al-Qur'an 24:31] They wear the burqa to protect themselfs from other men, why is it so hard for some people to accept that?!
BadManFifi 1 week ago
Yet more idiotic laws against people having a choice to represent themselves in a non threatening manner, In no way does a burqa represent terrorism nor does it condone acts of violence nor political issues or religious!
Yet people are still allowed to wear crucifixes (Religious) and pin badges or patch's with a swastika (Racism/Hate) and also can hand out in the streets leaflets and flyers about governments and laws (Political).
Welcome to the new world full of hypocritical idiots!!!
questatalia1976 1 week ago
You fags and other criminals couldnt win at sodom n gommorah. You will die and enter hell. The lord doesnt like you fags and disobedient scumbags. Have you heard about my good buddy Moses?:)
najamaldin 2 weeks ago
@najamaldin Lol yo moron go study real history and science. Your sodom and gamoura hasd nothign to do with god or morality , or gays etc.
You had a metero hit the alps and the debries landed on these towns and other areas killing many innocents, the sexaully liberated, harmelss gays and your real criminals, hot rock dont care who is good or bad. Moses looks like a paranoid scitzoprenic, and you have things like the moses water to blood just toxic red algea explining the frongs etc
ComboTheCat 1 week ago
FUCK THE BURQA
FazerMuzic 2 weeks ago
here is a thought... Why do muslims stick a barrier up between them and the locals then complain when the locals object? Everyone else mixes freely so gets accpeted. So muslims loose the barriers, no face coverign, socialise, so woemn are not only kept within family and marriage and you get accepted
ComboTheCat 2 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat Here's a better one....does societies disagreement with a certain lifestyle give it the right to ban it simply because it is controversial? and if so then to what extent is that power given? and who decides what is "socially" acceptable or not? (yea its moronic that i have to ask) So if people don't like anything you do because they believe it is a "barrier" to them does that give them the right to ban something you feel is a violations of your right to choose?
KrasusDumat 1 week ago
@ComboTheCat You see the problem with this world is that we like to take the easy way out of things. (even though it ends up making things worse rather then better) We like to tell people how they should look, talk, and hell feel. If not then they don't pass some delusional normality test that seems to crop up every time there is some group we don't agree with. It is strange indeed that these women fight so hard to have the right to make their own chooses and people still think they're forced.
KrasusDumat 1 week ago
@KrasusDumat
Oh im one who is very easy going on looks. I have no problem with funky coloured hair, tattoos, piecings, skimpy outfits, as none of this is connected with any violence or trouble. you put an end to it when the clothign ois dangerous such as wearign rings when working with electics, hair must be tied up near machinery, you cant also have loose clothign like burkas.. Burka + lather = wearer torn to pieces, common sense that plus no gang colours/patches, etc
ComboTheCat 1 week ago
@ComboTheCat Sir they are fully aware of this and considering they have been functioning so well without barely an incident of something like that occurring i testimont of that. Remember I'm all against religious institution and whatever garb they wear, but i respect their right to wear it. Its a saying we got here "Though I may disagree with what you say, I will defend to death your right to say it" which ironically enough may have a french origin (ah amusing)
KrasusDumat 1 week ago
@KrasusDumat instead of saying they have a right to wear it look what comes with the outfit, the attiudes it encourages, the violence from the segregation how it causes conflict between musklsim and non muslsims whihc was not there when there was no burka as you would see with turkish and tunisan woman.
Hitler got in due to people like you letting his kind do what they want as you would juast say let the brown shirts do what they want , islam is like the nazis very much so
ComboTheCat 1 week ago
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@KrasusDumat
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It is strange indeed that these women fight so hard to have the right to make their own chooses and people still think they're forced.
oh it starts with a choice just to be different then is followed by stuff like this
/watch?v=-xef384fWFs
/watch?v=v9Nz2qTs7Hk
apostatesofislam[.]com/media/stoning[.]htm
you see we see all the stuff you try and hide on the reality of islam all the stonigns to death, persecution of singles, gays, girls, witches, musicians
ComboTheCat 1 week ago
@KrasusDumat
Actually it depends what that lifestyle is? is said lifestyle harmless to others or harmful to those in it and others. Ie lets alpply your thinkign to :
Violent post code gangs who kill others simply as from a diff postal district, kkk who lynch & persecute black people, football houligans, how about aztecs whos culture involves raiding villages, killing many then human sacrificing the guys and sex slaving the girls, Femle genital mutilation. Where is the line drawn?
ComboTheCat 1 week ago
@ComboTheCat In a free society it never does and never should. (unless its anything but a democracy) I'll make this simple they have the right to be in a gang (some gangs aren't even violent, remember gangs were created as a form of communal protection against other violent forces.) They have the right to live that lifestyle, but they don't have the right to commit a crime on someone else. (you see the difference) I'm not targeting their lifestyle but rather the crime upon another(simple right?)
KrasusDumat 1 week ago
@ComboTheCat here in the states we allow gangs and the kkk their freedom to say whatever they want and to live that lifestyle. Crime against another is not tolerated without created obscene laws in some false attempt to "solve" the issue.
KrasusDumat 1 week ago
@KrasusDumat
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here in the states we allow gangs and the kkk their freedom to say whatever they want and to live that lifestyle.
And whats the result?
dead persecuted black peoepl, no go areas for decent peoepl and cops, crack flodded streets, gun fights, and killign, intimidation, violence etc etc.
Yes lets allow that freedom. its no good pickign at the odd gang member you have to wipe out all in the gang and the culture to stop it perminantely and fre folk from the abuse
ComboTheCat 1 week ago
@KrasusDumat
Nobody has issue with kids having friends or giving the group a name as long as it does not go around intimdating, abusing, bullying, drug dealign, mugging, attacking others , behaving badley and attackign anyoen who challenged it.
A few kids skateboarding is not a problem.thing is cgangs act as a group, peoepl cannot say act as witcness on one as they others come after you. its a power trip to dominate much like islam, both have the same attiudes to girls etc
ComboTheCat 1 week ago
@KrasusDumat Oh I like controversy and have no probls with funky hair, tatoos, many diff culture dress... The line is drawn with sexisim, segregation, abuse, animal cruetly, mysogonistic practices, homophobia, violence, sex slavoury such as arranged marriages, hnour killing and violence, domination of one group ie one sex by the other etc.
Its easy to work out social acceptabilty on basis like that. A shek turban does nto come with any negative isses other than crash helmets
ComboTheCat 1 week ago
@ComboTheCat uh huh your opinion is noted but again thats all it is and all it should be. (get it) We have the right to an ideal an opinion, but we have no right to impose it on others. (lest you become like the ones you so hate) What it means to you, does not include what it means to this women.
KrasusDumat 1 week ago
@KrasusDumat
You need to look at all that comes wit the buka & none of it is good,it pushes all the other nasty abusive intimdation, dominance of islam, when you allow bukas you have all other girls abused as considered dirty & immoral, rapes go up as those uncovered are considered fair game, muslim guys dont grwo up with girls as friends so objectify them, you have muslsim girls fearing rape if attacked and muslim teens grwoign up with no love in hearts only fanatical brainwashing
ComboTheCat 1 week ago
@KrasusDumat Its no good say tryign to fight an army by sniping the odd soldier you need to destroy the weapins factories,supply routes, trainign areas to stop any more being created, to take all theat gives it power. By pushing more uniforms be they nazi brown shirts, burkas or kkk outfits these groups can intimidate others segregate, whihc leads to conflict, take girls away from outside influence they would get fromfreiends outside islam just hearing violent racist islam brainwash
ComboTheCat 1 week ago
@KrasusDumat
Its interesting how you miss out what this barrier leads to like the thousands of forced marriages , honour killings, allowing male family members to dominate the lives of females, how it segregates muslsims to constant listenign to very facisitic clerics scum who brainwash your lifestyle folk into thinking gays should be killed and oncovered woemn threatened to yoru sharia law, where racisim to the kuffair is encouraged pushing violece and insantiy over burnt books
ComboTheCat 1 week ago
@ComboTheCat Your ranting on personal critics of the religion not the freedoms that are being violated. What one chooses is their own business and should remain that way if no crime against you has been committed. I don't like Islam, I don't like any institutionalized religion that turns faith into a business for which you "donate" to receive a greater glory of God. (i think its bs) But I damn well sure wouldn't want someone voting away my right to believe in w/e i believe.
KrasusDumat 1 week ago
@KrasusDumat Thing is you are only looking at the outside of the islam ie the micro issue of this outfit, you need to look at the macro plans, look at what hap to countires which allowed the burka, & let islam take over & what hell holes they are now, how by folk liek U allowing their freedom everyone else lost theirs, how gays & dating girls once free how are killed there, girls acid attacked for going to school,flooged for trousers freedom to drive and dress non islamic taken away
ComboTheCat 1 week ago
Isn't France supposed to be a tolerant and open-minded country?
mdoherty9188 2 weeks ago
it's like asking them for a green card something like that
knighrider100 3 weeks ago
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MUSLIM WOMEN HAVE TO DRESS LIKE GHOSTS BECAUSE MUSLIM MEN CANNOT CONTROL THEIR SEXUAL URGES AND START ABUSING THEM? I ADMIRE WESTERN MEN WHO RESPECT THEM ANYWAY THEY DRESS AND IF THEY DON'T THE LAW FALLS ON THEM, NOT IN THE MUSLIM WORLD WHERE A WOMAN ARE ALWAYS WRONG "FOR PROVOKING MEN". DO YOU THINK IT IS FAIR THAT WOMEN HAVE TO DRESS LIKE NINJAS TO BE RESPECTED? WHY DON'T YOU TEACH MUSLIM MEN TO RESPECT YOU, MUSLIM WOMEN, WHATEVER YOU WEAR? MODESTY IS WITHIN AND NOT WHAT YOU WEAR
DictaduraNo123 1 month ago
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HA HA HA...THESE WOMEN DRESSED IN BLACK LIKE A MOBILE TENT SAY THAT "ONLY HER MIND COUNTS" BUT IF THAT IS THE CASE WHY DRESS IN SUCH A NOTICEABLE AND RIDICULOUS WAY? SHE'S JUST ATTRACTING ATTENTION LOOKING LIKE A BAT. MODESDY? NO, MODESTY IS WITHIN AND DOESN'T NEED TO BE RUBBED ON PEOPLE'S FACE LOUDLY WITH SUCH A GARMENT. ON THE CONTRARY PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE MODEST REMAIN VERY DISCREET. AH, SHE DRESSES LIKE A NINJA BECAUSE OTHERWISE "SHE WOULD BE DESIRED BY MEN" HOW FOOLISH AND PRETENTIOUS!
DictaduraNo123 1 month ago
Kick these muslime sows back to the 3rd world shithole whence they came.
HammerHeathen 1 month ago
@TroubIes0me dey already hv a right to nt wear d burqa an dere r thousands of muslim women who dnt wear a burqa !!
hw do u knw dat dese women r forced to wear a burqa ? dey r wearng it on their own will !
alinna29 1 month ago
@BNS224 I never said you fear death. You are extremely afraid of being held accountable for all your words and actions of this life, to the extent you are in self-denial of the all too clever and creative lord of the worlds recording technology.
Stop trying to defend homosexuals,atheists, and other enemies of good. He destroyed Sodom and Gommorah for good reason, replaced it with muslim sites.
The creator of you is crafty,stern, but fair.How smart do you have to be to design a human body?
najamaldin 1 month ago
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@alinna29 The Muslim Country I was talking about in my comment was Saudi Arabia where every other religion and way of life is Banned. France didn't ban any religion or way of life. Just the burqa in public places due to many reasons...
Davinderanu 1 month ago
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Davinderanu 1 month ago
@BNS224 aka you are in human form on the earth. You are not in heaven where everything is perfect. But since you dont believe you are going, make the most out of this crappy-disease/death filled planet. just tell yourself that u r already in paradise and "MAYBE" you won't die one day and realize hell is a worse place than earth.
najamaldin 1 month ago
If you want to wear the burqa, stay in your fucking hell hole country.
If you want to be part of the western civilization, fucking adapt.
Easy as that.
ColAtheist 1 month ago
@ColAtheist You wont get away with nothing. You aint even safe from your creator while you are alive. You wont escape the death he has planned for you, no one has yet.
Every wicked act that you do or encourage others to do based off your ridiculous assertion and lifestyle of atheism and blasphemy,,,,its recorded and the technology he used is incomprehensible by the greatest scientists. So scary all the shit people do to hurt themselves.... :(
najamaldin 1 month ago
@ColAtheist k an if u want to ever enter a muslim country wear d abaya nly !!
an if u wanna enter india wear d saree an so on !!
an yes dey r stayng in their "f******* hell hole country", which is france itself !
alinna29 1 month ago
@alinna29 why the fuck would i want to visit a muslim country?
No france is not their country, they're just living there because the french were nice enough to let them in.
ColAtheist 4 weeks ago
@ColAtheist muslims are not just arabs you know? they are also Europeans as well. So Frenchman born and raised in the country can be Muslims. Just like there can be a Japanese christian born and raised in his country.
KrasusDumat 3 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat I know that, but there are extremely few ethnic french muslim converts, at least in comparison to the muslim immigrants in France.
I stand by my original point: Why do muslims complain when they can't wear the burqa in France when there are plenty of countries where they are allowed to wear it.
We don't want you in Europe so why are you coming here? You people obviously seem to like Islam, then why not stay in a muslim country?
ColAtheist 3 weeks ago
@ColAtheist I'm sorry how do you know the number of French citizens that are Muslim are few and could you provide that data. I stand also by my previous point: why is their a law at all that restricts anyone from wearing anything. Thats invasive to the civil liberties of the individual and that whole "if you don't like it get out" is the most redneck talking point I've ever heard. When a country proclaims itself a democracy, it should not turn around and do the opposite only for convenience
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
@ColAtheist Sir i'm not in Europe (thank god) and i'm not Muslim (anti-establishment christian), I neither like or dislike Islam but i do like democracy and freedom. I do hope I don't have to clarify that being against this law and protecting civil liberties doesn't equals (insert comical idea here). Heck i don't like any religious establishment but there is nothing I hate more then a minority being targeted for something they say, wear, think, or do (especially when it is personal choice)
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat en(dot)wikipedia(dot)org/wiki/Islam_in_France
Of course there should be a law that restricts people from covering their face in public, it makes perfect sense. If we ignore the social aspects, how are you gonna control, for example, what somebody brings into a bank beneath their burqa.
Or in a classroom, how are you gonna make sure that the person behind the burqa really is the person you think it is?
The burqa is just a ridiculous piece of clothing from an even more ridiculous cult
ColAtheist 2 weeks ago
@ColAtheist Thats your opinion and Wikipedia should NEVER be used as a credible source. It makes no sense for any law restricting clothing or attire based on unjustified fears and misconceptions. But again this is all opinions and speculations, overall this is an invasion of civil liberties and its being justified by creating ridiculous scenarios. We have similar groups that do the same down in the states "If we let gay marriage happen, then man and beast will be next" (i know stupid)
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
@ColAtheist So many ways you can find out who is under the burqa. Fingerprint, Voice, I.D. card (doesn't need a law banning it to do this), Blood test, urine test, and other ways i can't even think of. None of which require a ban and can you believe that some of these ladies actually take there veil off when in court and such.
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
LUKE....I AM YOUR FATHER!
mdreiguy 1 month ago
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Islam is a man-made religion
Mohommad wrote the quran
There were way too many defects in mohommad's character for him to be a prophet.
Mohommad (madar chod) fucked ayesha (his child wife) when she was 9 years old. You can confirm this information from Al-tabari.
Hitman22ish 1 month ago
Voilà, c'est la FRANCE d'aujourd'hui !!!
73Izaura 1 month ago
Holy Christ-wagons man. If I was one of these women, I would gladly shed all that garb knowing that I don't have to worry anymore about some guy whipping me for not wearing it just because his big fucking beard says he can. No more looking like a torpedo. But then again, I guess when raised by this ideology, it's hard for me to see it that way.
TheRantingCabbie 1 month ago
Religion of stupidity
exmuslimNfree 2 months ago
@exmuslimNfree exactly!
xOxKurdParstxOx 1 month ago
actually westerns need pussies to fuck :-) its all what they care about seriously. Muslims care about the sole of a women just as their bodies :-) but as I told U westerns think of a women as a body, as a tool where can stick their penises. which in totally inhuman :-) :-) but who understands :-(
IamMuhammad 2 months ago
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forgottenmemories63 2 months ago
Kick out these stupid ninjas!
AngelofJustize 2 months ago
I'm just sick of this Stupid Religion. They are beyond dialogue or common sense.
It is to our best interests that we leave them alone, Let them walk in those stupid Burqas and we'll point and laugh at these stupid women that choose to humiliate themselves.
forgottenmemories63 2 months ago
@forgottenmemories63 dese women wear deir abayas coz dey dnt want to flaunt their beauty an b stared at..........u need to respect them fr doing wat dey beleive is ryt an nt laugh at dem !! >.<
alinna29 1 month ago
@alinna29 How do you even speak to people if you have no face or Identity ? You can be mistaken to be someone else. I understand that Islamic women want to preserve their modesty (Or so they claim) by dressing in a veil, But covering oneself completely, Not even revealing one's face ?
This seems harmless at first but it alienates people into different groups in a Society - "Muslim" & "Non Muslim" women and the most importantly, Burqa is a Major threat to Security since it conceals oneself.
forgottenmemories63 1 month ago
@forgottenmemories63 whether dey want to reveal deir face or no is an individuals wish.......dese women dnt wish to show deir faces in public, so y r dey being forced....wen women walk around barely dressed no1 has a issue, y is dat ?!
alinna29 1 month ago
@alinna29 Well, The French don't think Burqa represents French culture so they banned it with many European Nations soon to follow. I don't see anything wrong if they think the Burqa doesn't suit their Culture, Infact I urge every Sensible country in the world to ban the Burqa and allow only Hijab.
You don't see Americans or Europeans head to Saudi Arabia and demanding to be allowed to wear Bikinis or short skirts on the streets. That's their Cultural rules, you gotta respect it.
forgottenmemories63 1 month ago
@alinna29 Yes, the Burqa does alienate Muslim women because all Burqas look alike, meaning they resemble more of a Uniform or Cult. This leads to a feeling of "Us" & "Them" among women who dress diversely, To avoid this Burqa must be banned.
Muslim women must learn to adopt to different Cultures and dress accordingly to where they head. I don't see the point of heading to some other Nation and complaining that they aren't tolerant of your culture, It's you who needs to adopt to their culture :)
forgottenmemories63 1 month ago 2
@forgottenmemories63 "Muslim women must..." woah woah woah, I did not know france is a dictatorship....
KrasusDumat 1 month ago
@KrasusDumat Yes, Whats wrong with what I said ?
When in Rome do as Romans do because it's their country primarily after all and you should respect their Culture.
forgottenmemories63 1 month ago 2
@forgottenmemories63 Culture is not a uniform where everyone walks and talks the same, wearing a burqa is not a disrespect of the culture. I really starting to question if French have reverted back to fascism.
KrasusDumat 1 month ago
@KrasusDumat No all burka wears want to stone girls to death for dating so wipe them all out, just look how islamic coutnires work.
Only witches, nudists, gays, single sexaully active girls liberals are decent and peacful
ComboTheCat 3 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat I've already explained in detail the absurdity of the law and your generalizations and perceptions are so overspent to the point of it being laughable. Just because you don't like what someone wears (regardless of what you believe it symbolizes for you) does not give you or I the right to create a law to ban it. If you can't realize the undertones of what is being done then you cannot realize what it means to live in a free society.
KrasusDumat 3 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat
Look buddy go look how hitler came to power. it was as peopel liek you let him and his buddies slowly introduce facisim to allow free society as you say,
it should not include freely allowing facisit sexist thinking as thias empowers all the bad guys who wont be satisified with just a burka outfit,
it means girls are hidden from socieity so they can do what they want with them then its too late the girls loose their freedom
ComboTheCat 3 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat Its ironic that you would bring out Hitler when looking at what you say you mimic the focus on the rights of a particular group just like the nazi's did. Fascists are those who impose political power on others based on personal opinion. (disgusting i know) You have the right to an opinion, not to the right to dictate how people should live there lives. What Europe did is appeasement, which is different from upholding the very ideals that a democracy stands for.
KrasusDumat 3 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat Its people like me that actually go to war just to take out people like you who can justify anti-democratic laws.
KrasusDumat 3 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat
Actually I have no problem with buddists, wicca, hippies etc as their idieology does not hurt, others, is not power hungrey, wantsign to take away all other democractic freedoms.
In a democracy you do not give 'freedom to sex traffic gir;ls, no freedom to have human sacrifice and cannibalisim, no freedom to lynch black peoep, have forced marriages, female gential mutilation, segregate sexes, no freedom to go around saying kill gays and kuffairs etc
There are limits
ComboTheCat 3 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat But in a democracy you give freedom to wear what you want and that is wear this law fails. I'm still shocked you don't get why this law is so wrong in so many ways and solves non of the perceptions you have of islam. (Wow just wow) The word choice exists and what you say is not uncommon in Europe. Its not like they haven't done that for about a thousand years. Again you are attacking an extreme practice of cultural arabs who fuse it with Islam.
KrasusDumat 3 weeks ago
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@KrasusDumat
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I'm still shocked you don't get why this law is so wrong in so many ways and solves non of the perceptions you have of islam.
I also woudl not allow kkk, nazis, gangs...
to put it in really simple terms. only nicey wisey fluffy wuffy, liberal, caring, sexaully open, relaxed, peace loving, open, mixing beleif systems into equality and fairness, no histeria are to be allowed.
There is no extreame arab miniority in islam, whole countires do it
ComboTheCat 3 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat
Thing is the right to live your life the way you want ends when that way resticts interaction between sexes, when its involves goign into shops threatenting to kill girls for not covering hair and giving contrception, when it involves attacking gays, coverign up girls on posters, making girls marry, stop girls having guy friends and filling their heads with fears of attack if not covered etc.
Freedom is not the freedom to impose a facist inquistion or cuase trouble
ComboTheCat 3 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat Wrong the right to live your life as you choose should never and can never end. My answer to all your claims (i'm going to assume all are valid just for the fun) Freedom of and Freedom for religion. A free society has to have the ability to accept different ideals and ways of life, while keeping those ideals from becoming law. (goes both ways) Its not very difficult and is done with Christianity all around the world.
KrasusDumat 3 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat There should be no blanket freedom of relgion, instead you look at the last 1000 years and ONLY those beleif systems with no history of homophobis, sexsim, repression, inquistion, dominance, violence, domination, terrosisim, fmaily honour, sexaul reprssion, cast/class sytems etc be allowed
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Wicca and buddism fits that as do varuous native tribal beleifs.
its just liek you dont allow rape, murder, canniblaisim, gangs, nazis, kkk etc
ComboTheCat 3 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat Wow you have a very singular view on religion now i see why you support this law. lol
KrasusDumat 3 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat
Wicca and buddisim aint bas, its the conservative, sexist, mysogoniist, homophobia, narro minded, heavey meatller abuser, nasty abuse of girls for flirting, dancing dressing to their hormones, sexting, history of female genital mutilation, torture, witch burning, inquistions, terrorisim, magdelen asslyums , unfair casts systems, honour nonsese, sexaul repression, attacks on contrception, abuse of those with radical hairsyles, mysic and tattoos I hate
ComboTheCat 3 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat you give a new meaning to the term "tunnel vision" your views are your own hurdle to deal with. Still has nothing to do with this law nor does it justify its passing. Wow man it must take a large amount of ignorance to just clump as many negatives into anything in such a hateful manner. Doesn't matter if the vast majority of religious individuals are nothing like this or the fact that non-religious individuals are no better. Ah the human condition.
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat
If islam was like hippies and did nothign wrogn peoepl liek me would have nothign to hate. Im an athiest but have no issues with buddisim or wicca as no violence, sharia, segregation, no honour killign, forced marriage, flogging, amputating, no attacks on uncovered girls, no sexsim, homophobia, no stoning, no death worship, etc.Those who sign up to such a cult are just as guioldty as those comminting the axts as supporting it, funding it, givinng credibility of number
ComboTheCat 2 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat Again you speak of your opinions of Islam (nothing to do with the topic) you should debate that with someone who cares for religion (i don't) I care for individual freedoms (read please before you go on another rant about Islam) It almost sounds like you have your own little cult "lets hate Islam because of whatever i see which I blatantly say is everyone who is Muslim" (Ignorance is truly bliss) When your done talking to yourself about what you think of islam tell me
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat Only wicca and buddisim are peacful... all conservative, puritan, sexisim and that includes christiniantiy, all calss systems so hindu caate, anythign sexaully repressive, anythgin that separates guys and girls, etc needs wiping out, only fluffy bunny huggy relgions can be allowed
ComboTheCat 2 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat Atheists like you remind me of Stalin or Mao Zedong. Let me guess you are extreme left so that means your communist...but not the good communist the dictatorial communist. (wonderful)
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
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@ComboTheCat Atheists like you remind me of Stalin or Mao Zedong. Let me guess you are extreme left so that means your communist...but not the good communist the dictatorial communist. (wonderful)
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
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@ComboTheCat Atheists like you remind me of Stalin or Mao Zedong. Let me guess you are extreme left so that means your communist...but not the good communist the dictatorial communist. (wonderful)
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat "...Muslim women must..." woah woah woah, that's right Muslim women are thought of as objects in the muslim world and they are NOT to be seen and NOT to be heard. The dictatorship comes from the people who force these women to wear the burqa. ALL religions are based on the fairy tales of holy books that are so fabricated that a child can see through them until those children are brainwashed and forced to goose step in the name of their religion and DIE for their god. PATHETIC!
IntoDust24 1 month ago
@IntoDust24 thats a very broad statement for which your claiming my friend. You are centering this statement based on media coverage of extremists Arab Muslims in certain middle eastern countries. This is far from the case as most Muslim are nowhere near like what you see on television. Dictatorship comes from those who tell these women what to wear and what not to. You assume that all of these women are doing it not by their own choice (that's very presumptuous) It is their choice how they..
KrasusDumat 3 weeks ago
@IntoDust24 wish to present themselves and to what faith they align themselves too.
KrasusDumat 3 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat The principle reasons behinds such a general ban on burqa/niqabs in public places gender equality and social order. (Not fascist at all!) From a western perspective, many consider the more extremist Islamic laws (banning of women from work or leaving their home unless accompanied by their husband) a serious infringement on the women rights. The banning of such practices should not be regarded as an attack on Muslim rights but a attempt to protect their gender equality.
GossageMr 1 month ago
The principle reason why the Conseil d'Etat and Conseil Constituionnel didn't explicitly use gender equality as the legal basis of the Act is that some women of course do voluntarily wear the burqa. The risk of women being forced to wear such it against their will is a high price to pay to let a couple of hundred women wear it of their own will. The women forced by their husbands to either stay home or wear the burqa are never going to have the chance assimilate into French culture or society,
GossageMr 1 month ago
@GossageMr This has nothing to do with gender equality as your dictating what someone should wear and why. If they choose to wear this in a free society then gender equality would be to allow them to wear it. (regardless of your personal feelings) We are not even talking about Islamic laws in the east nor how they dictate there country. We are speaking about a free society that is infringing on individual freedoms. This is an attack on muslim women, and most of all individual civil rights.
KrasusDumat 3 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat no if you allow this the other nasty islamic stuff comes with it... we never had honour killings, 100s if not 1000s endign up in forced marriages etc in this country before islamic burkas, likewiase islamic guys never refered to geirls as sluts and whores for goign out, and islamic girls had no fear of guys.
ComboTheCat 3 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat Europe had crusades against pagans which is much worse then honor killings. Honor killings is more of a cultural thing but again this is beside the point. This about the individual freedoms of others to wear what they wish. A free society should easily handle freedom of and freedom from religion.
KrasusDumat 3 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat
In islam there is no separateion of culture, politics, power, relgion, way of life, laws and thinking, its all one thing, the relgion is used to control mass minds and enforce and justify the most horrific acts so you have peoepl saying islam is right, its peacful, its yoru right to burn alive gays who harm nobody, to kill girls for sex outside marriage etc to attack girls for showign face.You dont get freedom to act in a manner to take it away and dominate
ComboTheCat 3 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat knowing many Muslims and Christians, they do not follow there archaic ideologies to the letter. In fact most use it as a guide for there spiritual replenishment. (that is the majority) Again this is not about criticism of Islam this is the invasion of individual freedoms that is easily being accepted by so called "free societies". But its nice that you have no shame in revealing what the real reasons for this law was (target female Muslims who wear a burqa).
KrasusDumat 3 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat Since when have muslsim done anythign that is not to the letter? what you call stonign to death, and flogging for wearign trousers, driving, beard lenght, playign chess, flyign kits, listenign to music, being gay etc, look how muslsims talk about sexaul objectification and their histoeria abotu all matters sexaul
Islam takes away all others freedom so it should have none, it has not earned it.
ComboTheCat 3 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat Since the modern age...religious fanatics are few and far apart my friend. Religion doesn't take away freedoms, it is a guide for those who are faithful. You always have a choice and free will is yours into defining your relationship with God is. Sorry my friend but your only talking about a small portion of Islam in comparison to the rest of them. (same goes with christian and jews)
KrasusDumat 3 weeks ago
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religious fanatics are few and far apart my friend. Religion doesn't take away freedoms##
Im sorry but thats an outrigth lie, how you think islamic sharia law in implimented in countires the size of saudi arabia, afganistans, iran etc?
3 bad guys?
no you have all the clerics hate preachignm, all those working for the moral police, the floggers, executioners, the admin staff workign for them, the community doig nothing to stop floggings and stonings etc
ComboTheCat 3 weeks ago
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You always have a choice and free will is yours into defining your relationship with God is.
Not when the choice is execution by torture for aposty, turning atienst and how safe are muslim gurls who convert to wicca in islamic countries, how safe are all the gays, the lesbains, dancers, actresses? you had peoepl wanitng a teacher executed for lettign kids name a teddy bear mohummed.Look at the dutch cartoons, why not make your own, its not a samll proportion
ComboTheCat 3 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat Sinve the modern age relgious fantics take over whole countires take over all the police, control the law, enforce that attiudes with brain washing clerics, relgious schools, cover u[p females so they dont interact with non muslsims,
Your good muslsim are like hitlers secretary, or the person sewing kkk outfits and lynching ropes, or those who hang out with mafia living off the money from the crime but not actually doign any of the dirty work. but increase number/power
ComboTheCat 2 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat Again don't care about religious institutions and your are so off point that this has become your own personal rant. I would tell you to stick to the topic but your so focused on Islam and your opinions of it that its not even worth the effort. Sorry but your ignorant if you claim to know all Muslims or Christians. To clump them together is to be as misinformed as one can be. (this is beside the point) Again this is about individual RIGHTS
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat No not just is;lam, hate christinity as well along with all puritan conservative thinkign... so sextign normal in a couple, no problem with a teacher who used to be a pole dancer as a student or teacher still part time stipper, contrception free in schools, severe punishments for callig anyoen slut or whore,legalise and regualt prostitution, gays get equal treatment, no companies alowed to discriminate against radical hair styles, sex ed from age 4 weekly, open attiudes
ComboTheCat 2 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat Good for you
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat
You can tell but you need to prove. saying somethign is peacful dont count.... you personally will have to go to all islamic countires and end every single act of sexisim
You lie when you say its only a minority... who does a minority enforce laws? how does it arrest and hnot have the mob stop it. IF YOU WERE NOT A LIER THEN NO STOING WOULD OCCUR AS ALL THE PEOEPL WOULD RESCUE THE GIRLS, LIKEWISE ALL HNOUR KILLERS WOULD BE KILLED BY THE MOBS.
ComboTheCat 2 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat Well most of what you said below doesn't count since you've just rambling till the break of dawn. Come to the states, there are no honor killings or any of what your talking about. Go to New York which has a high Muslim populations and see if they are killing people there. Your so out of touch that you've lost yourself in your hate.
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat I dont see any of your good muslsim lifting a finger to stop all the sexsim & homnophobia so callign you a lier.So where are all yoru good muslims ? why dont they force gay pride parades in mecca? why dont yoru good muslsim with all these numbers drive a bulldozer into jails to free girls facing violence abuse, why dont your muslsim stand guard whilst unmarried couples make out publiclly letting their bully dads & brothers no if they so much as threaten they are dead?
ComboTheCat 2 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat Call me what you want I know Muslims who are in the american military as well as the intelligence agencies taking out extremists who claim themselves to be the "righteous Muslims" I know Muslims who fight and die each day trying to make change and create free societies only to be assassinated or killed. I know women and men standing together in Arabic countries struggling against a powerful minority who are ruling in fear. Your misinformed and that is the truth
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat Here is the thing...
When I found out cathlolic church was full of crap with a history of abuse I quit and turned on it whay dont your good muslsim do the same... why be part of such a evil cult? ots like a black paerson staying part of the kkk
there is no logic in it
The only reason in us you lack mohnour nkilling and there have been is as islsm has little power, as soon as it ets a foothold, numbers, power it it seeks control and you get your hnoru killigns
ComboTheCat 2 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat No offense but I don't care about your personal perspective on religious institutions. (its not even what I'm talking about)
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat Oh I can back up the persepective with evidence of floggings, stonings, mutilation etc
ComboTheCat 2 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat No you can gather certain events and information and make a large generalization. Again I don't care what your beliefs or your views or how you foster them pertaining from any of the Abrahamic religions. I care about individual rights and freedoms which are being violated and targeting Muslim women who choose to wear the Burqa in a free society. (i hope you don't do another rant please don't) This has nothing to do with your critics of religious institutions.
KrasusDumat 1 week ago
@KrasusDumat
If you join the mafia, kkk, nazis, evil; abusive relgion like islam and christianity, local mugger gang , etc you will be judged for that gropus actions and affexct on the community as you will be deemed to support the ideology of that group and adding to its numbers you empower it thus encourage its abusive acts. Even if say you dont directly take part in any violence.
Any actions connected to the group are not individual ie burkas, as oppsed to a scooby doo top
ComboTheCat 1 week ago
@ComboTheCat That is where your failing, you cannot judge the actions of some to all. (common sense). Christianity, Islam, Atheists, and many more are all depended upon the person rather then the ideal. Its not like i think all atheists are stalin or mao just because they were atheists. (makes no sense). Anyone who has this type of mentality needs to be (as you said it so perfectly) wiped out. Thats just to much ignorance to even debate about. Again this is not about Islam "right" or "wrongs"
KrasusDumat 1 week ago
@KrasusDumat
Actually you can judge the actions of some to all ie if you join an army you know is say persectuting say a tribe, working for the mining company that is stealing their land and poisoning the peoepl, killing the locals, you cannot blaime them if they try and kill you even if you just load the weaposn the killers use and dont shoot anyone.
Thing with islam is it does not allow independant thought, you are told how to think with rules on everythgin has harman or halal
ComboTheCat 1 week ago
@KrasusDumat This is about islam rights and wrong... look at the central running policies and moralty issues concerning sex, sexaulity, females, gays etc
I never see muslims saying how pretty girls look in their dresses, or muslim brothers cheeking singing abdul fancies sheena kissy kissy kissy when sheena is their sister. thining it cooll guys find their sis hot as he gets dates to make her happy and loved.
Pretyt much any muslsim Ive heard speck/post say its all objectification
ComboTheCat 1 week ago
@KrasusDumat When the burka causes segregation,is connected with the push for sharia law,sexisim, oppression girls not wanting to cover up, , the segregation results in girls being made to wear this from early childhood in madrasses so they grwo up fearing guys and with no connection to the outside world accept arranged marriages and become hidden so with no firends liable to hnour violenbce then yes you cant allow such freedom. you need to look beond the cloth to what it stands for
ComboTheCat 1 week ago
@ComboTheCat The Burqa does not cause segregation as they continue to function in everyday society. They do not have to conform to a certain "societal" standard but rather function within it by contributing to it through productive means. (job) What and why someone does something is unknown to most of us, this is all speculative since you don't know those individuals personally. Furthermore, Individual freedoms include controversial ideas and lifestyles. The price of a true free society.
KrasusDumat 1 week ago
@KrasusDumat
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The Burqa does not cause segregation as they continue to function in everyday society.
how if the aim is to be invisible and deter guys from talkign to them... why is it muslsim are tought to beleive all guys want to fuck girls and have no other interest in them?
Why should muslim woemn be alloowed to see mens faces if the man cannot see theirs? controversion ideas yes, sexsim, repression, segregation no.
iuslam is utterl against free socieity, it domiantes
ComboTheCat 1 week ago
@KrasusDumat I have nothign to be ashamed of, its islam with the evil burka to stop girls mixing with guys who are not their family, relgion or husbands...
So they can live single life with no control over them, so they stop fearing the outside world and thrive in it
To get away from the brainwashign where they think all life is ,is family and arranged marriage and the islamic bubble whihc needs breaking so there is free mixing of the sexaes and muslsims and non muslims
ComboTheCat 3 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat You will never get it will you so i'm going to stop trying to explain to you how stupid and foolish it is to support this law and how little it has anything to do with your perceptions of islam. I've told you multiple times over and over again
KrasusDumat 3 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat
Here the thing if you got rid of the niquab and burkas peoepl would be more likely to talk to muslsims and see them as more human and friendly rather than nutters who hate the kuffair, theink guys all want to rape them and living in that messed up cult life.
Get rid of the barriers peoepl mix, muslsims loose the nasty insane attiudes and people see them as more human when they mix sically and sexaully forming relationship with non muslims and no control over girls
ComboTheCat 3 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat your absolutely wrong on this one, you don't do things based on whether someone likes it or not. (thats rather pathetic don't you think) If people don't wish to speak to me because i look or act different then me then by all means. Its called choice and if I choose to wear something that is my Choice and if it has the adverse affect that not many people want to talk to me that is their choice. Your personal views on Islam is irrelevant and as far as i know twisted.
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat Nothign twisted about it.. you just go look what happens when you allow a beleif and let it have power and see what happens when it has power
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/watch?v=PBJRsh4bn3k
/watch?v=e0mKw41UUwQ
this is what happens when you allow the burka, this is what peoepl liek yo want doento girls. This needs nipping in the bud with a zero tollerance appraoch to all things sexaull represseive and segregationist, france takes responsibility for stoppign fantiacisim, honour killing etc
ComboTheCat 2 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat Ok now i know you have nothing to back up your bias claims, you looked up you tube video as a justification for your absurd generalizations. Its like looking for a video that catches a (insert any group here) person doing crime and claiming that they are all criminals. Also the Burqa does not bring this, its the extremist groups or the ultra conservatives in certain parts of Arabia and Africa that does this. (you may wish to observe the difference)
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat What you want is to strip away individual rights just because of your perspective of what wearing the burqa entails. Do you understand how fascist that is? to assume the position that you know whats best for others? to assume that your reasoning of what someone does or wear must be singular and solely based on what you say? This is why I'm watching France closely because of idiots who support this law based on an illogical paranoia.
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
@KrasusDumat
You MUST mix openly with all no cover ups, no barriers so must all interact. no segregating selves into muslim only groups, its muslims causing all the problems here,
if there was no coverign up any more than others, no pushing islam in others fances then peoepl would openly caht and accpet people.
you need to look beyond your cloth and see what evil burkas stand for ,a segreationist system where clearics have control over hwo peoepl think pushing a violence, fantic
ComboTheCat 2 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat WRONG no one must do anything just because you think they should. (your a dictator and you don't even realize it) Your sounding like the people you so quickly point out in the video. (go figure) "Its Muslims causing all the problems here" Sounds so familiar "Its Jews causing all the problems here" It's amazing its like you can't even live your life because people choose to wear their religious garb. How can you function at all? current free society is so mixed.
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
@ComboTheCat People should not do anything for acceptance nor in any sort of way that requires conformity. (thats not how it works buddy) Now if say France was fascist or claimed itself to be a dictatorship then I would understand. As for everything else its just not relevant to the conversation as this is not about criticism of Islam (something you don't get) This about freedoms that are (at least in practice) assured to citizens of a free nation.
KrasusDumat 2 weeks ago
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A free society should easily handle freedom of and freedom from religion.
So whaty is the limit? you dont think do you... so ok
How about warrior relgions? ie vikinisim whihc has no rules against killing and robbery where you are supposed to die weapon in hand... now Im pretty sure gang thugs & muggers would love that.
How about canniablisim... demanding the right to kill and eat people? thats relgion.
Or myans/aztecs wanting mass human sacrifice to sun god?
ComboTheCat 3 weeks ago
@forgottenmemories63 a burqa does nt alienate ppl into diff. groups.........a head scarf itself clearly indicates whether d person is a muslim or no, infact any persons dressing indicates a lot about them lyk deir nationality, social status, religion, financial status etc....
so den wat do u suggest ? dat evrybody in a nation wear d same clothes so dat d society is nt differentiated into groups ?
dressing does nt alienate ppl, it just is a kinda indicator of ur background !
alinna29 1 month ago
the same thing women in afghanistan are experiencing for not wearing the burqa is the same as the experience of these women who do wear the burqa ugh it never ends
YoenisAlvarez 2 months ago
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YoenisAlvarez 2 months ago
"Other countries in Europe are surprised at this kind of law can be implemented.."
PLEASANTLY SURPRISED, BITCH!!
Northern85Star 2 months ago
These Women are NOT foreign. They are French.
So they have the right to wear what ever the hell they like in their own country for goodness sake!
Abullah1992 2 months ago
@Abullah1992 They may be citizens of France, but they are not native to france and do not consider themselves as such. You know this to be true. There's difference between ones homecountry and the land of your ancestors.
Northern85Star 2 months ago
@Northern85Star Does it matter? what about white French who are of German, Saxon decent? I'm Scottish of Irish decent but does that matter? does that give me any less right to wear what I want in my own country as a man? or vote? or sit at the front of a bus? or eat in the same place as a ''native''?
What about Englishmen that are of Norman decent? should they be allowed to wear a beret and a ring of onions round their neck? of course they should AND speak French if they want.
Abullah1992 2 months ago
@Abullah1992 Frenchmen has their customs and they want to protect what they and their ancestors have build. They dont like closed ideologies like islam, which prohibits marrial integration. Muslims would react likewise.. or possibly much worse, should millions of Europeans move to the middle east and demand western culture. And as would all other countries. Point is, if you move to a country, you have to adapt. It's common sense.
Northern85Star 2 months ago
@Northern85Star This world is for all, cultures, languages and religions change as time goes on. You can't live in the past and hold onto what things used to like. Culture and language evolves, it's natural and things change over time. Islam is a good way of life that teaches morals, good deeds, worshiping God, charity and benefiting all mankind. Silly ideologies like Nationalism, Patriotism ect drags us back into the dark ages that Islam brought us out of with the Islamic Golden age and reason.
Abullah1992 2 months ago
@Northern85Star For example I'm Muslim and I couldn't care less if Mecca tomorrow became 100% Jewish. As I said before people can choose what religion they follow and language, culture, demographics and religion changes over time.
It's all part of, discovery.
Abullah1992 2 months ago
@Abullah1992 You're wrong in so many ways. West can hold on to how things used to be, because muslims hold on the how things were 1400 years ago! If Islam was so good, islamists would not have done 9/11, created the taleban, al-queda and so forth, along with saddam houssein and his mass slaughter of kurds, almajinedad and his wish to kill all jews. Just as there would not be more crime done by muslim immigrants in Europe! You need to prove yourself for us to trust you.
Northern85Star 2 months ago
@Northern85Star Your having a laugh aren't you? Taliban and al qaeda was a creation of the CIA, Osama bin laden was given $3,000,000,000 by the CIA. They started Taliban to fight the soviets in the 80s when they invaded Afghanistan. Same with saddam, it was the Americans that funded saddam when he invaded Iran and authorized him to buy chemical weapons after making him an honorary citizen of detriot in 1980 and giving him and his regime full support. Ahmadinejad does NOT want all jews dead>
Abullah1992 2 months ago
@Northern85Star <He wants Israel as a state to disband & cease to exist because it shouldn't be there anyway that's what he meant when he said ''Israel should disappear from the map'' Just look at the 11 functioning synagogues in Iran. Last I remember it was Europe that gassed 6,000,000 Jews. Just ask the 250,000 Jews who fled to the ottoman empire after the Spanish inquisition in 1492 along with christians who were given full ottoman citizenship.
So you're the ones that need to prove yourself.
Abullah1992 2 months ago
@Abullah1992 Ok, why shouldnt Israel exist, when muslims are doing what jews did in the beginning of 20th century, but in Europe? Muslims have voted against the swiss flag ffs! Muslims have implemented sharia law in Europe! I'm against israel too, for that exact reason. I bet the Palestinians feel stupid for not preventing jewish immigration a lot sooner.
I'm not into conspiracy theories, the entire muslim world was cheering at 9/11, 3000 innocent people dead. Enough said.
Northern85Star 2 months ago
@Northern85Star We dont have to PROVE ourselves in our own country! Just like muslims don't need to prove themselves in the country of their forefathers.
Northern85Star 2 months ago
@Northern85Star No no no, 9/11 is condemned by about 99% of Muslims just ask them.
3,000 people in the twin towers was bad enough.
625,000 people dead in Iraq and Afghanistan and 4.2 Million displaced was worse.
Abullah1992 2 months ago