I use to feel sorry for cows but then I found out that they are one of the leading cause to globa warming...more then cars in fact....god I can go for a burger right now.
with my personal beliefs regarding the consumption of meat aside i may have found a simple solution to the debate among you. two words: sun gazing >_*
I just made my first vegan shopping trip today. I was surprised by the bill. I was shocked by how much some of the soy substitutes are, but in the end I ended up spending a lot less than usual because I didn't buy the forty dollars worth of meat for the week :) I just new I had spent way to much on all this fancy food, but when she told me the total I was amazed!
ACTUALLY, although I respect Davey's (and EVERYONE else's) choice in their own diet, I would debate the statement that humans are "not meant to consume other animals". Although I can understand the point of view, humans have been consuming the meat of animals since our species has come into BEING. Therefore, the human race has developed an omnivorous digestive system, and are able (and even meant to) consume meat. Hence why we can digest it and why we have a few sharp teeth.
Humans have forward facing eyes, rather than eyes on the side, like a rabbit or a deer. Predators have forward facing eyes. Helps with depth perception while chacing down prey. It is the prey who have eyes on the side, which gives a broader field of view, to help see approaching predators.
Also teeth. True omnivores have flat, dull teeth. Like a horse or cow. Used to grind foliage. True carnivores have all sharp teeth. Like a wolf. Used to tear flesh.
if ur a vegan wouldnt u be eating a living thing as well?!?!? plants are living as they grow in the ground as animals are living things as they grow and multiply as well.
God made animals for man to eat. I don't really like hunting and I've never personally killed a animal for food, but if man were to stop hunting the animal population would drastically increase. Also, I've seen a lot of vegans and they actually look small, sickly and unhealthy in general.
I respect your choice to not eat meat, but also respect mine choice to consume it. Don't think you're better than me because you don't eat meat... get over yourself.
I've thought about going vegan. Don't think I have the strength. I would miss Ichiban's chicken & rice with white sauce too much... That is the ONLY thing I'd miss, actually. I dunno.. But I love Davey Havok. I'd marry that man.
If eating something that once had a face is considered murder then this means the Veggitales are screwed. We'd all have to resort to sucking swamp water through a straw to not be murderers.
... none of you would understand this unless u were vegetarians.. after a while u really dont miss meat at all. ull feel better about urself, youd be in good shape, you would be glad you made the change.
I went on the peta2 website and saw nothing about MurderKing ,a.k.a. BurgerKing, as a vegeterian I think they should have it on there so people wont think that because its not on there, they can eat it.
first off, AFI is the best band to ever play their songs on a stage. but, c'mon, honestly?? we're not meant to eat meat?? lions eat meat, bears eat meat, dinosaurs ate meat. its all part of the life cycle and food chain. im not better cuz i eat meat and vegetables and your not better cuz you're a vegetarian or vegan(cept for davey cuz hes awesome and we share the same first name) eat what you want but do not force your ideas on someone else.
@porterouserob Poor defenseless plants? They are living, sure, but they do not have a pulse or a nervous system. A human is an animal, so eating animals is like eating humans, or pets.
like as much as i respect davey, as humans we are meant to eat meat, like fair enough he believes that it is murder i accept that, but saying humans are not meant to eat meat is an incorect statement,
If you're female and vegetarian/vegan like myself - best to ingest as much iron as possible, along with bright colored fruits and vegetables. Most female vegetarians/vegans I know suffer from anemia due to their monthly cycle. Eat dark leafy green vegetables, soybeans, black strap molasses, dried beans, etc.. Supplement w/ vitamin C for better absorption.
Meat is not a necessity. Our bodies physically are not meant to eat meat. We are omnivores because some people eat meat and plants, not because we have to.
Fuck you, Davey Havok - we ARE designed to eat meat. Look at our teeth, they're designed for tearing meat and grinding it down. Sure there might be some advantages to some elements of the vegan lifestyle there are also many advantages to eating meat.
This is just another shining example of what a dingle berry this guy has turned the band into.
I love Davey, and to people saying the animals are over populated so we must eat them: They are only over populated because of the demand on meat products, they are being given hormones to speed up their growth so they can re-produce quicker.
@scottie0904 hell no it aint i was vegan once that shit is expensive cause in order to make up for the protein and calcium and iron you lose you need to buy more expensive alternatives such as soy, beans, lots of nuts, soy, nut, or rice milk, etc. its tougher thatn u think. im just vegetarian now cause im tooo broke to be vegan.
But with that being said I don't agree with what Davey is saying.
Eating life to sustain your own life is the way of life. Regardless if your eating plants or meat,your are still participating in this violent circle. Even if all you eat is dead fruit falllen from a tree your still acting in your own best interest which is selfish.
Despite your lifestyle,none of us are better than the other.
@lancimouspitt I am a vegan & it's not the idea of consuming something that was once living that bothers me, at least not exclusively, it's the treatment of animals that bothers me, the conditions under which they must live. So, were someone to hunt an animal and kill in a way in which it wouldn't have to excessively suffer and would have an opportunity to live it's life naturally, than your argument would be valid, however if you look at industrial farming, you'll see how unnatural it is.
@lancimouspitt ...That makes no sense. Plant life does not have a central nervous system enabling them to feel pain/have thoughts. Humans eating plants is not violent. Humans torturing and consuming animals is unnecessary and selfish. Eating to sustain your life is not selfish, but you do not NEED meat to survive and in fact, it ACTUALLY isn't healthy. Despite you supporting animal oppression, I don't think I'm better than you. Just don't think you know what you're talking about without facts.
The debate on whether or not meat is healthy or unhealth is just as trendy as clothing. I've herd arguments from both sides and I don't see and end to it anytime soon. On an added note we must ask if meat is unhealth is this natural or is it because we've tainted with the source so bad their's no way back? The film Fathead is a response movie to supersize me. A man eats nothing but Mcdonalds in moderation and actualy gains health benifits. A nice other side of the coin film.
@lancimouspitt I don't understand how eating plants is part of a violent cycle since plants have no central nervous system. And since vegans way of life inflicts the least harm to sentient beings, how is that selfish?
Yes eating meat may be natural.... but you don't need to do it. I'm vegetarian... and it feels natural to me (granted, i've never really liked meat). it's just his opinion. and while i don't agree with everything PETA says and i do think they go a bit overboard, davey makes some good points here. it's all about personal choice really. being vegan is a huge commitment and isn't right for everyone. :)
okay...davey havok has always been my man...but what a douche???
if we weren't meant to eat meat we wouldn't fucking eat it. it's not murder, it's the natural way of things. you don't see bears or lions eating only grass. it's survival of the fittest not lets eat leaves and get frail and skinny. it's bullshit. why doesn't PETA get off the subject of eating meat and deal with more important stuff like, oh i don't know, puppy mills?
vegans make me want to puke with their superiority complexes.
@ladylucifire Why would a bear or lion eat only grass? They are made to eat other animals. Have you seen their teeth? Or how about their claws? Humans have no claws, flat teeth, and could never hunt an animal without the use of some sort of weapon. Do some research on factory farming and then tell me that its natural and not murder. Go hunt your own fucking meat if its natural. I've never had the natural urge to kill an animal and eat it, Have you?
To eaxh is own. I wish I could do the whole veggie thing, but I would go through nittrate withdrawals...meat is like crack you know...just gotta have it.
Anywho. Davey is HOT! I could make a nice salad out of him. Was that outta line? lol.
So there are comments saying dead animals won't come back to life so it's okay to eat them. That's not the point. On top of cruelty and other things like that,
it's supply and demand. If more people become vegetarian then there won't be a huge demand for meat so there won't be a need to slaughter animals.
Then the animals (like cattle and deer) will just overpopulate due to a lack of predators and die of disease and starvation. And if the predators were able to keep up, they'd grow in population, presenting more dangers for us humans. So, we'd either have to kill the predators to save ourselves (mostly our children), kill the prey so that the predators die out from starvation, or just let the predators keep populating and let them threaten to wipe us out. Yeah, that sounds like a great future.
I seriously DOUBT Davey Havok is rich. SERIOUSLY DOUBT. With music nowadays you have to be insanely successful to make ANYTHING. Everyone thinks musicians are rich, they aren't.
i believe that. the only circumstance in which you should eat meat is if like you stuck in the wild, and the only thing out there to eat is meat. then you have a reason to eat meat. and not considered murder :). I'm vegitarian (not vegan)
I've recently gone vegetarian after eating meat for years, but from the vegetarian food I've eaten, it tastes better than the real thing.
I think the transportation and culling of animals is sick and cruel, so I'm standing up for what I believe in by choosing not to eat it, as Davey is standing up for what he believes in and not eating any animal products.
I think it's a personal decision and if people have a problem with it, why watch this video?
Refusing to eat an animal that is already dead will not bring it back to life. I dont think morality exists in the universe so i dont see a reason to be a vegitarian anyway...
lol "he use to be emo now hes normal and ugly" what kind of moron prefers grown men who look like girls? 14 year old hot topic goth girl retards, thats who.
Eating meat is not murder. I personally would not enjoy killing animals. But refusing to eat animals that are already dead wont bring them back to life. And the food industry will never go away or end. Its a hopeless cause.
but yeah it's just sick how you can eat meat i dont know why but when i think about people eating meat it just reminds me of people eating people haha lol
to be honest...if your vegan or not...meat tastes so good! call me sick but how can you not enjoy a fuckng steak? i have respect for ppl who are vegans but still...dont bitch when there's someone in front of you with a nice mouth watering steak or other meat product.
i think it's cool that some find a vegan diet nice...it's just not for me. and by the way...humans are omnivores so we eat both animals and vegatables. surely you must know this already...just don't complain about meat to others.
Thanks for the vegan respect. However humans are poor digesters of meat, especially read meat. What other omnivorous need to cook meat to aid digestion? Meat does taste good that's why a lot of vegan meat alternatives are meat flavored.
Most important why is the taste of real meat more important than the suffering of the animal it came from?
I'd happily make the small sacrifice of taste knowing what I'm eating didn't suffer.
if it was not for people cooking and eating meat you would not be here today to complain about cooking and eating meat. how many prosperus vegan early civilizations have you herd of. how many seafairring. being dislexic and haveing a good vocab sucks.
i agree but carnivourous animals dont make concentration camps to create there food. They find there prey and kill it in the wild. We as humans dont do this. If animals wer raised on a farm, so they can eat the grass, and be free i wont feel bad, but if we treat them like jews during the holocaust i do feel bad
Well it is murder the way we do it. We don't murder them very naturally. Most of the animals suffer their entire lives as they are basically grown, 'roided up, genetically manipulated and forced to small living space. What a fucking life, there, eh?
meat is still murder dairy is still rape and iam stupid as anyone else but no my mistakes, i have recognized one form of opression now i recognize the rest lifes too short to make others shorter.
unfortunately i cannot be a vegan cause my family wont let me till i turn 18
but still
i basically don't eat animal products
i haven't aten any meat products including seafood in nearly a year you guys who aren't vegatarein should be it is easier than it sounds and you feel very good about yourselfs!!!!
Well, people need protein, for one thing. And I know there are other sources besides meat (ie peanuts), but most of them you would have to eat so much to equal the amount of protein in meats, that it would become unhealthy. In other words, it would be unhealthy to eat how many peanuts you need the equal the amount of protein in, lets say, a few slices of tri-tip.
Really, the only bad thing about meat is it is somewhat fattening, but only unhealthy if you are a lazy slob who sits around all day.
I think Davey is right on this one. I find it is healthier to be vegitarian or vegan than it is to eat meat. Plus, people are consuming meat at such a high rate, that they are begining to cut down forests to form cattle ranches. Eventually, we could drive the forests to extinction, or possibly even the Animals humans eat.
i fucking love davey havok, but we werent meant to eat meat? i gotta to disagree with that, the one thing is i got against vegans is this, you arent going to stop a tiger from eating a zibra and say no tiger, eat this salad instead, we humans, are still animals, we just are smarter and hunt a little more, whats the word, efficient then a tiger would, though a tiger is efficient too
The difference is that zebras weren't bred on a farm just to die, fed manure and crap, and murdered in horrific ways. Also, said tiger has to work and hunt to eat his meat, whereas lazy homo sapiens buy it at the store. Perhaps humans were meant to eat meat in the first days, but we have evolved to where we do not need it for survival. Next time you pick up your burger, just remember that a poor animal gave its life just to be a part of your meal.
"As human beings we are not meant to consume meat" sooooooo.... what about hundreds of year ago before refrigerators canning and other methods of preserving vegetables, during the winter or in areas of the planet where edible pants grew few and far between, meat was a source of food year round. as you can probable tell we can covert grass and leaves to proper brilliants like most most herbivores so ya still think we weren't meant to eat meat???
I respect Davey's opinion wholey. But the thing is, what enabled humans to progress to such a stage of development that we can actually decide whether we wish to be vegan, vegiterian or a carnivore? Many people will tell you it's because meat helped us as a race to grow in brain capacity.
Secondly, humans have canines, for consuming meat. I'm unsure why we'd have them if we weren't to eat meat.
If someone could point me in the direction of some links, that'd be much appreciated.
no, being a vegan isnt healthy but a study was done and proved that as a whole vegans eat heathier than people who eat meat. supposibly saying that humans over eat meat. but then again i dunno, i always wonder about these studies...
I respect Davey havoks opinion But I'm not a Vegan or vegetarian. i think he is really awesome that he is vegan but i'm not I would like to but it helps the animals too so they dont over populate and die of a painful slow death from disease
Why does he think people are not meant to eat meat? Who says?
What if we're not meant to eat vegetables?
Peta cant honestly think they can make any real objective statements.
Peta should tolerate the consumption of animals, just as the followers of Jainism tolerate them stepping on and killing blades of grass when they walk around.
Milk was never meant for human consumption. Humans are the only animals to drink milk after infancy and the type of milk produced by a cow is healthy only for it's calf and is completely unnecesary for the human diet. The calves are taken away for slaughter so humans can steal their milk, then the cow is pumped full of hormones so it produces more than it naturally should, and is milked so much it's udders swell and are in constant pain. Healthy? ¬¬
I don't have any problem with vegans and what not but I'm pretty sure we're meant to consume animals. Maybe not ALL animals, like things people considering delicacies, but I guess I can also see that in this day and age we're actually able to live healthy lives with all the advancements in food while being a vegetarian or vegan. But if you were to eat just only organic foods is what we should be doing, you'd probably need to eat at least some meat.
Look the truth of the matter is it's a good thing people do eat animals. Should Coyotes and Lions be persecuted as murderers as well?! This coming from an animal addict! If you really care about animals you will eat a chicken sandwich or hamburger. If not we'll have an influx of animals and what are we going to do with them all? We will run out of food to feed them because there is so many we can't feed them fast enough so they end up dying slow and miserable starving to death. HELLO!!!
Have you seen the 'incisors' on a gorilla? Fucking massive. You know what they eat? Not meat? You know how close our genetic make up is to them? Very.
We are omnivores. Yeah, that's true. We are not carnivores and were not built to hunt and digest meat on a daily basis. It is a survival mechanism that allows us to digest small quantities of meat protein.
Having the ability to eat meat does not make it moral.
By eating meat you are making a choice to contribute to torture and slaughter.
dude, humans can eat meat: Read the beginning of Genesis 9....if you want to eat vegetables, whether for health reasons or you prefer them to meat, fine. but don't say humans are supposed to eat meat. meat actually is filled with proteins and things veggies can't give you. plus, we have souls- and animals don't. now this may sound cold, but really it is true.i love animals but i am not about to say "meat is murder" because, in all honesty most of the animals i own are carnivores.
dude I totally agree... Love Davey and all and admire him deeply but I couldn't agree more... but hey... kudos to him for being vegan! and all the other vegans out there! and vegitarians!
Then god said, "I give you every seed bearing plant on the face of the while earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground-everything that has the breath of life in it- I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
i love davey and i respect his choice to be vegan and not eat meat. kudos to him and all others who have the same life choice. but srsly, it's not a bad thing to eat meat. we're all freaking human. that means we're all carnvores by nature, NOT herbavores. humans who actually eat meat are doing the EXACT SAME THINGS ANIMALS DO!!!! it's not freaking slaughter or torture, it's called surviving. i don't know how anyone can survive on something other than just meat.
dude i practically have been that way for a few months lol but yea i never really ate hardcore red meat so this wont be too hard i just will hav alot a trouble with not eating chicken i guess ill just ha to picture a chicken in my head so i can not give into temptation
It is in fact pretentious to assume you know what's right for the world and to tell others what to eat. Love what you do Davey, but I'm totally not in support of this kind of propaganda
I have absolutely no cell structure in common with a plant species. Plant cells and Animal cells are different. I don't eat anything that in any way has a central nervous system like that of my own, feels pain like I do, or bleeds when cut, same as me. 4th grade science should have taught you that animals and plants are different. I don't care if broccoli feels pain, I love to eat it raw and crunch down on cellulose.
Disgusting and fat gluttony is no excuse for not being a vegetarian.
Just because AFI is a badass band doesn't mean Mr. Havok knows what the fuck he is talking about when it comes to anything other than music. "As human beings we are not meant to consume animals"? What the fuck? If you're going to be that bold as to state something like that as fact you had better have some kind of reasoning backing it up. You kids out there that love AFI as much as I do, don't assume dudes like this know whats up simply because they rock the shit on stage.
you're absolutely right! i mean AFI is like my world but STILL... it doesn't mean everything he says is true because i'm a biologist and humans ARE IN FACT built to be omnivores
If we are not meant to eat meat why do we have canied teeth. Also our rumen (appendage at end on intestines that help digest cellulose) would be more developed. Humans are omnivores. (I have nothing against vegans or vegatarians, just with that statement).
And, most Vegetarians have grown practically immune to the stupid things that carnivores say to them...We could write a book of stupid comments. Use your brains, for once, and realize that it's WRONG to take the lives of others!!! Gosh, you negative commenters are just rotten!!! :-( Davey Havok is a Wonderful Person!!! And, Vegetarianism/Veganism Saves Lives (of non-human animals, and humans)!!!!!
All of the asinine comments that people are leaving, in response to his video, are ridiculous, and terribly upsetting. :-( Stop trying to justify your terrible actions...You caN'T justify murder!!!!! People trying to show others what is right, is not an unwarranted imposition on their lives...It's making a positive difference in the world!!! Don't harass, or mistreat others, because you refuse to face the truth, and change the world, for the better!!!
I don't care what any of you animal-lovers try to shove in my face, animals and people are extremely different. Animals do not have a spirit. We, as people, rely on everything around us to survive. People cannot survive without protein, and we receive protein from animals and animal products. Complete protein doesn't come from legumes. Animals are around to serve human beings. That is their purpose.
I'm stating my opinion, just as Peta does. I just wish they wouldn't force it on people.
i try to be as open-minded as possible with issues and i see where you are coming from. i personally am not a vegetarian but i to the best of my ability respect vegetarians and its a path i might choose when i am older. anyway i see where you are coming from. the only thing that struck me as a little off was the thing about animals being around to serve humans. i dont believe that. they were there first, so how is this possible? i mean no offense, i just find your statement very neanderthal-ish.
I'm a vegetarian myself. And I respect Davey's views on Veganism and can admit that he has made some good points
However. I am not a big fan of Peta(2) at all. I believe that they go about preaching vegetarianism all wrong. But hey, that's just me. To each there own. Either way, Davey still remains my number one hero in life!
im sorry davey but i like to eat meat. not all the time.. natrually i dont really like to eat meat.. and i respect him and what he is doing.. but i cant go vegan or veg because i need the protien i have an iron defishence i didnt spell that right didnt i?
but in the bible, god tell adam and Eve to eat the sheep, and they used sheep for sacrifice. So its ok to eat animals like cow fish chicken, because naturally in the wild animals eat other animals and like i said that's y god put them on this earth. I'm a vegetarian and i am one only because i don't want to support a industry that commits these unthinkable acts, other wise i would eat meat
I use to feel sorry for cows but then I found out that they are one of the leading cause to globa warming...more then cars in fact....god I can go for a burger right now.
LaStylo15 19 hours ago
with my personal beliefs regarding the consumption of meat aside i may have found a simple solution to the debate among you. two words: sun gazing >_*
stacycakes1013 4 months ago
Thanks to this video, I've been meat free for over a year <3
MissBleedBack 6 months ago
I just made my first vegan shopping trip today. I was surprised by the bill. I was shocked by how much some of the soy substitutes are, but in the end I ended up spending a lot less than usual because I didn't buy the forty dollars worth of meat for the week :) I just new I had spent way to much on all this fancy food, but when she told me the total I was amazed!
SamandOmiesGirl 6 months ago
ACTUALLY, although I respect Davey's (and EVERYONE else's) choice in their own diet, I would debate the statement that humans are "not meant to consume other animals". Although I can understand the point of view, humans have been consuming the meat of animals since our species has come into BEING. Therefore, the human race has developed an omnivorous digestive system, and are able (and even meant to) consume meat. Hence why we can digest it and why we have a few sharp teeth.
rockerchick1378 10 months ago 2
Humans have both. Thus we are genetically engineered to eat both plants or flesh.
But I'm sure you all already knew all of this.
SCIENCE!!!
x1theroyal1x 11 months ago 3
Hey Davey, cool science bro.
Humans have forward facing eyes, rather than eyes on the side, like a rabbit or a deer. Predators have forward facing eyes. Helps with depth perception while chacing down prey. It is the prey who have eyes on the side, which gives a broader field of view, to help see approaching predators.
Also teeth. True omnivores have flat, dull teeth. Like a horse or cow. Used to grind foliage. True carnivores have all sharp teeth. Like a wolf. Used to tear flesh.
x1theroyal1x 11 months ago
if ur a vegan wouldnt u be eating a living thing as well?!?!? plants are living as they grow in the ground as animals are living things as they grow and multiply as well.
babygurl1422 11 months ago
God made animals for man to eat. I don't really like hunting and I've never personally killed a animal for food, but if man were to stop hunting the animal population would drastically increase. Also, I've seen a lot of vegans and they actually look small, sickly and unhealthy in general.
I respect your choice to not eat meat, but also respect mine choice to consume it. Don't think you're better than me because you don't eat meat... get over yourself.
xxthemessenjahxx 1 year ago
i like humus.
gomorrahhaggith 1 year ago 3
Cool...so we're all homicides. We're actually onnivores. That includes meat.
joelrav 1 year ago
I wanna marry him.
marajane92 1 year ago 2
I'm a Vegetarian and plan on going vegan sometime soon. I LOVE Davey, and I agree with what he says.
missmelli936 1 year ago 3
Funny how Peta can't handle a free exchange of ideas.
joshmasterjosh 1 year ago 2
You're not a vegan if you're eating tube steak
joshmasterjosh 1 year ago
I've thought about going vegan. Don't think I have the strength. I would miss Ichiban's chicken & rice with white sauce too much... That is the ONLY thing I'd miss, actually. I dunno.. But I love Davey Havok. I'd marry that man.
If eating something that once had a face is considered murder then this means the Veggitales are screwed. We'd all have to resort to sucking swamp water through a straw to not be murderers.
foxxyzombii0531 1 year ago
... none of you would understand this unless u were vegetarians.. after a while u really dont miss meat at all. ull feel better about urself, youd be in good shape, you would be glad you made the change.
B3AND1P96 1 year ago
love afi as a band, think this vegan bit is crap
EvilsLastWish 1 year ago 3
I went on the peta2 website and saw nothing about MurderKing ,a.k.a. BurgerKing, as a vegeterian I think they should have it on there so people wont think that because its not on there, they can eat it.
In my opinion.
cgw52771 1 year ago
first off, AFI is the best band to ever play their songs on a stage. but, c'mon, honestly?? we're not meant to eat meat?? lions eat meat, bears eat meat, dinosaurs ate meat. its all part of the life cycle and food chain. im not better cuz i eat meat and vegetables and your not better cuz you're a vegetarian or vegan(cept for davey cuz hes awesome and we share the same first name) eat what you want but do not force your ideas on someone else.
shadowassassin45 1 year ago
so eating animals is wrong, but eating poor defenseless plants is OK?
porterouserob 1 year ago
@porterouserob Poor defenseless plants? They are living, sure, but they do not have a pulse or a nervous system. A human is an animal, so eating animals is like eating humans, or pets.
missmelli936 1 year ago
if ur a vegetarian your causing global warming because plants take CO2 and give us oxygen
sanitariumprod23 1 year ago
Well, then Davey Havok is a murderer of plants. DOESN'T HE SEE THE SAD CRYING FACES OF THOSE HEADS OF LETTUCE?! Naw, just kidding.
I like AFI, and Davey Havok rocks. He can be a vegan all he wants, but I like my chicken. It tastes good.
ArtistCrystalLJ 1 year ago
like as much as i respect davey, as humans we are meant to eat meat, like fair enough he believes that it is murder i accept that, but saying humans are not meant to eat meat is an incorect statement,
MrMisguidedghost 1 year ago
If you're female and vegetarian/vegan like myself - best to ingest as much iron as possible, along with bright colored fruits and vegetables. Most female vegetarians/vegans I know suffer from anemia due to their monthly cycle. Eat dark leafy green vegetables, soybeans, black strap molasses, dried beans, etc.. Supplement w/ vitamin C for better absorption.
Flowerbombalicious 1 year ago
Meat is not a necessity. Our bodies physically are not meant to eat meat. We are omnivores because some people eat meat and plants, not because we have to.
Go Davey, you have my support.
JAYDEYJACKASS 1 year ago
im vegitrain
bluecutecheeks 1 year ago
i am a vegitrain right now i want to go vegan vut my mom says i can't
bluecutecheeks 1 year ago
i am a vegitrain right now i want to go vegan vut my mom says i can't
bluecutecheeks 1 year ago
Fuck you, Davey Havok - we ARE designed to eat meat. Look at our teeth, they're designed for tearing meat and grinding it down. Sure there might be some advantages to some elements of the vegan lifestyle there are also many advantages to eating meat.
This is just another shining example of what a dingle berry this guy has turned the band into.
shadrussell 1 year ago
@shadrussell Awww...thats mean...
xtokioxbillx 1 year ago
I love Davey, and to people saying the animals are over populated so we must eat them: They are only over populated because of the demand on meat products, they are being given hormones to speed up their growth so they can re-produce quicker.
KiriLizzPanics 1 year ago
Whoo vegatarians! :D
maileekra5hed 1 year ago
If you don't like being called a killer, then DONT EAT MEAT. Simple as that.
TheNumberOneNINFan 1 year ago
Kick ass Davey been a fan of AFI since forever, Im vegan/straightedge as well... Keep playing music!
PolemicalCommentary 1 year ago
i eat meat because i enjoy it. plus not to sound like a dick but its not exacly cheap to be a vegan.
thisguy2day 2 years ago
A vegan diet is cheaper than one which includes animal products.
scottie0904 2 years ago 21
@scottie0904 hell no it aint i was vegan once that shit is expensive cause in order to make up for the protein and calcium and iron you lose you need to buy more expensive alternatives such as soy, beans, lots of nuts, soy, nut, or rice milk, etc. its tougher thatn u think. im just vegetarian now cause im tooo broke to be vegan.
iluvsilverstein777 11 months ago
@scottie0904 That isn't true... many times natural, and organic products have higher prices than meat products
metalmaiden310 10 months ago
@scottie0904 untrue. There is a lot of cheap meat products out there... Do you have any idea how much stuff uses eggs?
BonesBuffyFan 10 months ago
i saw him at a local vegan restaurant eating vegan buffalo wings. i said hi.
adamc404 2 years ago
I love AFI.
But with that being said I don't agree with what Davey is saying.
Eating life to sustain your own life is the way of life. Regardless if your eating plants or meat,your are still participating in this violent circle. Even if all you eat is dead fruit falllen from a tree your still acting in your own best interest which is selfish.
Despite your lifestyle,none of us are better than the other.
lancimouspitt 2 years ago 23
@lancimouspitt I am a vegan & it's not the idea of consuming something that was once living that bothers me, at least not exclusively, it's the treatment of animals that bothers me, the conditions under which they must live. So, were someone to hunt an animal and kill in a way in which it wouldn't have to excessively suffer and would have an opportunity to live it's life naturally, than your argument would be valid, however if you look at industrial farming, you'll see how unnatural it is.
CaptainZesty 1 year ago 2
@lancimouspitt ...That makes no sense. Plant life does not have a central nervous system enabling them to feel pain/have thoughts. Humans eating plants is not violent. Humans torturing and consuming animals is unnecessary and selfish. Eating to sustain your life is not selfish, but you do not NEED meat to survive and in fact, it ACTUALLY isn't healthy. Despite you supporting animal oppression, I don't think I'm better than you. Just don't think you know what you're talking about without facts.
apathynever 9 months ago
@apathynever
The debate on whether or not meat is healthy or unhealth is just as trendy as clothing. I've herd arguments from both sides and I don't see and end to it anytime soon. On an added note we must ask if meat is unhealth is this natural or is it because we've tainted with the source so bad their's no way back? The film Fathead is a response movie to supersize me. A man eats nothing but Mcdonalds in moderation and actualy gains health benifits. A nice other side of the coin film.
lancimouspitt 7 months ago
@lancimouspitt I don't understand how eating plants is part of a violent cycle since plants have no central nervous system. And since vegans way of life inflicts the least harm to sentient beings, how is that selfish?
six25 1 month ago
Yes eating meat may be natural.... but you don't need to do it. I'm vegetarian... and it feels natural to me (granted, i've never really liked meat). it's just his opinion. and while i don't agree with everything PETA says and i do think they go a bit overboard, davey makes some good points here. it's all about personal choice really. being vegan is a huge commitment and isn't right for everyone. :)
carlybea 2 years ago 2
okay...davey havok has always been my man...but what a douche???
if we weren't meant to eat meat we wouldn't fucking eat it. it's not murder, it's the natural way of things. you don't see bears or lions eating only grass. it's survival of the fittest not lets eat leaves and get frail and skinny. it's bullshit. why doesn't PETA get off the subject of eating meat and deal with more important stuff like, oh i don't know, puppy mills?
vegans make me want to puke with their superiority complexes.
ladylucifire 2 years ago
@ladylucifire Why would a bear or lion eat only grass? They are made to eat other animals. Have you seen their teeth? Or how about their claws? Humans have no claws, flat teeth, and could never hunt an animal without the use of some sort of weapon. Do some research on factory farming and then tell me that its natural and not murder. Go hunt your own fucking meat if its natural. I've never had the natural urge to kill an animal and eat it, Have you?
jynxmeTHREE 2 years ago
@ladylucifire The gorilla is one of the strongest animals on the planet, Those things live off of plants. They are far from frail and skinny.
jynxmeTHREE 2 years ago
dont fool yourselvces, davey havok is rich, i saw him ! the oakland airport decked out in gucci and prada
GiveItToMeOneTime 2 years ago 3
@GiveItToMeOneTime He always is. custom gold suits and what not..
what was the purpose of this comment?
XhavemyheartX 2 years ago
i want one of those shirts.
canhan715 2 years ago
To eaxh is own. I wish I could do the whole veggie thing, but I would go through nittrate withdrawals...meat is like crack you know...just gotta have it.
Anywho. Davey is HOT! I could make a nice salad out of him. Was that outta line? lol.
ballsoutballistic 2 years ago 2
Haha, best comment I've read in a while.
MLGKarma 2 years ago
So there are comments saying dead animals won't come back to life so it's okay to eat them. That's not the point. On top of cruelty and other things like that,
it's supply and demand. If more people become vegetarian then there won't be a huge demand for meat so there won't be a need to slaughter animals.
Davey Havok is just so awesome
colourlessxrainbow 2 years ago 3
Then the animals (like cattle and deer) will just overpopulate due to a lack of predators and die of disease and starvation. And if the predators were able to keep up, they'd grow in population, presenting more dangers for us humans. So, we'd either have to kill the predators to save ourselves (mostly our children), kill the prey so that the predators die out from starvation, or just let the predators keep populating and let them threaten to wipe us out. Yeah, that sounds like a great future.
Dromar417 2 years ago 2
its easy to be vegan when ur fucking rich. i hate rich people, they look down on the normal population for not agreeing with their ideas.
owen4510 2 years ago
I seriously DOUBT Davey Havok is rich. SERIOUSLY DOUBT. With music nowadays you have to be insanely successful to make ANYTHING. Everyone thinks musicians are rich, they aren't.
coralradpants 2 years ago 3
Gah..He's adorable...and I like his music, but I still find that to be a crock.
An amusing fact(well, I find it amusing): The first process in brainwashing is to remove proteins(namely, meat) from the diet.
FeralBanshee 2 years ago
your an idiot , hopefully you can choke on a piece of meat in the future and a cow can be conveniently watching while you suffocate. :)
VeganBred 2 years ago
hahaha....that's awesome. :)
canhan715 2 years ago
Everyone who eats meat is a Murder because if the people don't eat meat there is no bussines on that.
And don't say you need stuff o the meat The Earth give us a lot of stuff to have a great live.
Like Morrissey said "death with no reason is murder"
Every Man who eat meat is a murder that's the true
xVendetkrumx 2 years ago
i believe that. the only circumstance in which you should eat meat is if like you stuck in the wild, and the only thing out there to eat is meat. then you have a reason to eat meat. and not considered murder :). I'm vegitarian (not vegan)
azpandaman 2 years ago
I've recently gone vegetarian after eating meat for years, but from the vegetarian food I've eaten, it tastes better than the real thing.
I think the transportation and culling of animals is sick and cruel, so I'm standing up for what I believe in by choosing not to eat it, as Davey is standing up for what he believes in and not eating any animal products.
I think it's a personal decision and if people have a problem with it, why watch this video?
AussieAnimal 2 years ago
Refusing to eat an animal that is already dead will not bring it back to life. I dont think morality exists in the universe so i dont see a reason to be a vegitarian anyway...
greenfury87 2 years ago
lol "he use to be emo now hes normal and ugly" what kind of moron prefers grown men who look like girls? 14 year old hot topic goth girl retards, thats who.
greenfury87 2 years ago
Eating meat is not murder. I personally would not enjoy killing animals. But refusing to eat animals that are already dead wont bring them back to life. And the food industry will never go away or end. Its a hopeless cause.
greenfury87 2 years ago
it's fine if he wants to be a vegan or vegetarian, but he isn't preaching it to you, he is just saying.
HeyItsHannah145 2 years ago
If you're vegan that's cool, just don't preach to me. Like I won't preach to you about me loving meat.
dash5775 2 years ago
actually hunting and eating animals is a natural human instinct.. what did the cave men eat?
BelleBeexo 2 years ago
I wonder if he's ever thought as to why there are animals on the planet if they aren't for consumption.
horsethefan 2 years ago
another intelligent comment. Here's another instance where we can apply your logic:
"Well, why are there rocks on the planet if they aren't for consumption?"
Or even better:
"Why is there nighshade in the world if not for consumption?"
CaramidaCaramizie 2 years ago
meat IS fucking murder !!!
love you davey<33
but yeah it's just sick how you can eat meat i dont know why but when i think about people eating meat it just reminds me of people eating people haha lol
XxAlicexXxstichedxX 2 years ago
to be honest...if your vegan or not...meat tastes so good! call me sick but how can you not enjoy a fuckng steak? i have respect for ppl who are vegans but still...dont bitch when there's someone in front of you with a nice mouth watering steak or other meat product.
i think it's cool that some find a vegan diet nice...it's just not for me. and by the way...humans are omnivores so we eat both animals and vegatables. surely you must know this already...just don't complain about meat to others.
PaperRomance 2 years ago
Omnivores, yes, but it leans more towards herbivores.
And I agree... Fuck some pissy vegan who bitches in public about that...
But PS, your body will thank you if you lay off the meat a bit... like making it maybe only 20% of your diet or even less. You'll notice.
Mevi814 2 years ago
Thanks for the vegan respect. However humans are poor digesters of meat, especially read meat. What other omnivorous need to cook meat to aid digestion? Meat does taste good that's why a lot of vegan meat alternatives are meat flavored.
Most important why is the taste of real meat more important than the suffering of the animal it came from?
I'd happily make the small sacrifice of taste knowing what I'm eating didn't suffer.
dazzerboy19 2 years ago
if it was not for people cooking and eating meat you would not be here today to complain about cooking and eating meat. how many prosperus vegan early civilizations have you herd of. how many seafairring. being dislexic and haveing a good vocab sucks.
thisguy2day 2 years ago
ive been a vegetarian since i was like 4 when i found out wat meat actually was made of lolz.
yay davey <3
InkSplash13 2 years ago
Im Savannah and Im not a vegetarian.
Eating meat is murder?
Can I disagree?
If we set the animals free they would be eaten by other animals in the wild. Would those wild animals be murderers?
What is murder? What is only natural?
whatshername62 2 years ago
i agree but carnivourous animals dont make concentration camps to create there food. They find there prey and kill it in the wild. We as humans dont do this. If animals wer raised on a farm, so they can eat the grass, and be free i wont feel bad, but if we treat them like jews during the holocaust i do feel bad
7Munky 2 years ago
Well it is murder the way we do it. We don't murder them very naturally. Most of the animals suffer their entire lives as they are basically grown, 'roided up, genetically manipulated and forced to small living space. What a fucking life, there, eh?
Mevi814 2 years ago 2
my god, i want to be vegan soooooo bad! cuz meat doesnt taste good, but my parents make me eat it.... but they said when im 18 i can be vegan C:
andyvonhallow 2 years ago 2
trust me man.....dont think once u turn 18 u can be vegan.......unless you move out or change ur family eating habits then you will go back to meat.
7Munky 2 years ago
meat is still murder dairy is still rape and iam stupid as anyone else but no my mistakes, i have recognized one form of opression now i recognize the rest lifes too short to make others shorter.
mrmentiroso931 2 years ago 2
Fuck YEah!!!!!!
im a vegatarian
unfortunately i cannot be a vegan cause my family wont let me till i turn 18
but still
i basically don't eat animal products
i haven't aten any meat products including seafood in nearly a year you guys who aren't vegatarein should be it is easier than it sounds and you feel very good about yourselfs!!!!
MEAT IS MURDER
oh and AFI and Blaqk Audio are the best!!!!
Learhcp1 2 years ago
i totally applaud you being vegan. im a vegetarian but, is your make up vegan???
FutureGilead 2 years ago
He isn't wearing make up here silly! But he does wear MAC and Urban Decay which are completely vegan (:
Davey is such a good role model. <3
0o0oMCRADDICTo0o0 2 years ago
prob.
fresh098 2 years ago
hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
thisguy2day 2 years ago
Well, people need protein, for one thing. And I know there are other sources besides meat (ie peanuts), but most of them you would have to eat so much to equal the amount of protein in meats, that it would become unhealthy. In other words, it would be unhealthy to eat how many peanuts you need the equal the amount of protein in, lets say, a few slices of tri-tip.
Really, the only bad thing about meat is it is somewhat fattening, but only unhealthy if you are a lazy slob who sits around all day.
AmiableAdder 2 years ago
what you don't realize is that most people eat WAAAY to much meat. btw you can get protein from Barley Beans Sesame Seeds Leafy Greens
Corn Meal Lentils Sunflower Seeds Broccoli
Oats Peas Walnuts
Rice Peanuts Cashews
Pasta Soy Products Other Nuts
Whole Grain Breads
btw, go to meetyourmeat(dot) com and then lets see how you feel
azpandaman 2 years ago
lol! I love him!!!
BookWorm5510 2 years ago
GO DAVEY!!!!! haha I can't believe I am only commenting on this NOW! ... I wathced this FOREVER AGO!
DaveysXCupkayx 2 years ago
I think Davey is right on this one. I find it is healthier to be vegitarian or vegan than it is to eat meat. Plus, people are consuming meat at such a high rate, that they are begining to cut down forests to form cattle ranches. Eventually, we could drive the forests to extinction, or possibly even the Animals humans eat.
totallimmortal337 2 years ago
i fucking love davey havok, but we werent meant to eat meat? i gotta to disagree with that, the one thing is i got against vegans is this, you arent going to stop a tiger from eating a zibra and say no tiger, eat this salad instead, we humans, are still animals, we just are smarter and hunt a little more, whats the word, efficient then a tiger would, though a tiger is efficient too
ScottieAxeman4ever 2 years ago 2
Right on man i gotta agree..
Quagmyre0123 2 years ago 2
The difference is that zebras weren't bred on a farm just to die, fed manure and crap, and murdered in horrific ways. Also, said tiger has to work and hunt to eat his meat, whereas lazy homo sapiens buy it at the store. Perhaps humans were meant to eat meat in the first days, but we have evolved to where we do not need it for survival. Next time you pick up your burger, just remember that a poor animal gave its life just to be a part of your meal.
Btw, I dislike PETA.
stardustxinvasion 2 years ago
"As human beings we are not meant to consume meat" sooooooo.... what about hundreds of year ago before refrigerators canning and other methods of preserving vegetables, during the winter or in areas of the planet where edible pants grew few and far between, meat was a source of food year round. as you can probable tell we can covert grass and leaves to proper brilliants like most most herbivores so ya still think we weren't meant to eat meat???
skysaccount 2 years ago
Thank you.
BrakBoy 2 years ago
yes.
mycrusade 2 years ago
I respect Davey's opinion wholey. But the thing is, what enabled humans to progress to such a stage of development that we can actually decide whether we wish to be vegan, vegiterian or a carnivore? Many people will tell you it's because meat helped us as a race to grow in brain capacity.
Secondly, humans have canines, for consuming meat. I'm unsure why we'd have them if we weren't to eat meat.
If someone could point me in the direction of some links, that'd be much appreciated.
Jamekae 2 years ago 3
Being a vegan is not a healthy diet.
xstevenxcorex6 2 years ago
no, being a vegan isnt healthy but a study was done and proved that as a whole vegans eat heathier than people who eat meat. supposibly saying that humans over eat meat. but then again i dunno, i always wonder about these studies...
str8 edgers r healthier than all though.
who is this guy anyways??
joshrocks4178 2 years ago
singer of AFI and Blaqk Audio
22adehiklmnprstvw 2 years ago
I respect Davey havoks opinion But I'm not a Vegan or vegetarian. i think he is really awesome that he is vegan but i'm not I would like to but it helps the animals too so they dont over populate and die of a painful slow death from disease
PoisonDeath9 2 years ago 3
uhuuul
AFIGrazihAFireInside 2 years ago
Why does he think people are not meant to eat meat? Who says?
What if we're not meant to eat vegetables?
Peta cant honestly think they can make any real objective statements.
Peta should tolerate the consumption of animals, just as the followers of Jainism tolerate them stepping on and killing blades of grass when they walk around.
CANT WAIT FOR THE NEW AFI ALBUM. HOPE ITS HEAVY!
fallenwillrise 2 years ago
Fact. The two best proteins for muscle upkeep and rebuilding are................Whey and casein. Milk products. Deal with it.
bmxslayer 2 years ago
Milk was never meant for human consumption. Humans are the only animals to drink milk after infancy and the type of milk produced by a cow is healthy only for it's calf and is completely unnecesary for the human diet. The calves are taken away for slaughter so humans can steal their milk, then the cow is pumped full of hormones so it produces more than it naturally should, and is milked so much it's udders swell and are in constant pain. Healthy? ¬¬
DoomBallCrunch 2 years ago
I don't have any problem with vegans and what not but I'm pretty sure we're meant to consume animals. Maybe not ALL animals, like things people considering delicacies, but I guess I can also see that in this day and age we're actually able to live healthy lives with all the advancements in food while being a vegetarian or vegan. But if you were to eat just only organic foods is what we should be doing, you'd probably need to eat at least some meat.
afi567x 2 years ago 2
Look the truth of the matter is it's a good thing people do eat animals. Should Coyotes and Lions be persecuted as murderers as well?! This coming from an animal addict! If you really care about animals you will eat a chicken sandwich or hamburger. If not we'll have an influx of animals and what are we going to do with them all? We will run out of food to feed them because there is so many we can't feed them fast enough so they end up dying slow and miserable starving to death. HELLO!!!
KirAWareme 2 years ago
oh jeeeeeez.
Check out all these debates.
hahbhahbah.
Personally, I think it's the circle of life.
i love animals though.
138Cassie 2 years ago
nothing against vegans or Davey but murder is killing of another human and humans are able to eat meat, we are omnivores and we have incisors
xantares13 2 years ago
Have you seen the 'incisors' on a gorilla? Fucking massive. You know what they eat? Not meat? You know how close our genetic make up is to them? Very.
We are omnivores. Yeah, that's true. We are not carnivores and were not built to hunt and digest meat on a daily basis. It is a survival mechanism that allows us to digest small quantities of meat protein.
Having the ability to eat meat does not make it moral.
By eating meat you are making a choice to contribute to torture and slaughter.
AzhiDahaki9 2 years ago
Having the ability to eat meat doesn't make it moral, but not using the ability doesn't make you moral, either.
Dromar417 2 years ago
i TOTALLY agree! it's murder and i think that we humans will be perfectly fine without eating animals
cmo1079 2 years ago
dude, humans can eat meat: Read the beginning of Genesis 9....if you want to eat vegetables, whether for health reasons or you prefer them to meat, fine. but don't say humans are supposed to eat meat. meat actually is filled with proteins and things veggies can't give you. plus, we have souls- and animals don't. now this may sound cold, but really it is true.i love animals but i am not about to say "meat is murder" because, in all honesty most of the animals i own are carnivores.
POPARAZZIMONSTER90 2 years ago
dude I totally agree... Love Davey and all and admire him deeply but I couldn't agree more... but hey... kudos to him for being vegan! and all the other vegans out there! and vegitarians!
DMCureluv94 2 years ago
i have to respectfully disagree
Genisis 1:19
Then god said, "I give you every seed bearing plant on the face of the while earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground-everything that has the breath of life in it- I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
libithia 2 years ago
i love davey and i respect his choice to be vegan and not eat meat. kudos to him and all others who have the same life choice. but srsly, it's not a bad thing to eat meat. we're all freaking human. that means we're all carnvores by nature, NOT herbavores. humans who actually eat meat are doing the EXACT SAME THINGS ANIMALS DO!!!! it's not freaking slaughter or torture, it's called surviving. i don't know how anyone can survive on something other than just meat.
rottweilerlover93 2 years ago
wtf is your problem
VeganJuuice 2 years ago
i agree with both of u guys
psychobillydemon 2 years ago
Grains and beans give plenty of protein.
Who are you to say whether an animal has a soul? I would say that anyone who supports factory farming and slaughter has no soul.
Carnivores eat meat. You are not a carnivore.
BTW There is no god. There is no Santa or Easter Bunny either. ~_^
AzhiDahaki9 2 years ago
davey is right it is murder. thats why ive been a vegan for over a year now and i feel ten times better than before... dont commit murder!!!
crazyawesomeyetloved 2 years ago
im a vegitarian starting from 2 days ago. .. I LOVE SPICEY TOFU lols.. anyways.. yeh
i didnt eat much meat anyway.. so yeah.. its very easy and it will make me feel weak.. but ill get used to it.
woahXgirl94 2 years ago
dude i practically have been that way for a few months lol but yea i never really ate hardcore red meat so this wont be too hard i just will hav alot a trouble with not eating chicken i guess ill just ha to picture a chicken in my head so i can not give into temptation
wish me luck!
sarafin07 2 years ago
It doesnt make you feel weak.
I'm a vegan now and I feel healthier than I ever did as a meat eater.
:)
DoomBallCrunch 2 years ago 2
hooray to that!
DaveysXCupkayx 2 years ago
Yeah cuz u look sooooo healthy. He weighs like 105 pounds.
1dragonforce12 2 years ago
It is in fact pretentious to assume you know what's right for the world and to tell others what to eat. Love what you do Davey, but I'm totally not in support of this kind of propaganda
thenobodyboy 2 years ago 3
davey havok is not an emo, hes 33 years old and not a pathetic emokid
retard337 3 years ago 2
plants are alive, plants feel pain...starve ?
kingq101 3 years ago
I have absolutely no cell structure in common with a plant species. Plant cells and Animal cells are different. I don't eat anything that in any way has a central nervous system like that of my own, feels pain like I do, or bleeds when cut, same as me. 4th grade science should have taught you that animals and plants are different. I don't care if broccoli feels pain, I love to eat it raw and crunch down on cellulose.
Disgusting and fat gluttony is no excuse for not being a vegetarian.
writeonyourhand 3 years ago
You do have a common ancestor with plants.
greenfury87 2 years ago
I LOVE HIM!
misfitdoll23 3 years ago 2
i agree 100%
tandy40 3 years ago
Just because AFI is a badass band doesn't mean Mr. Havok knows what the fuck he is talking about when it comes to anything other than music. "As human beings we are not meant to consume animals"? What the fuck? If you're going to be that bold as to state something like that as fact you had better have some kind of reasoning backing it up. You kids out there that love AFI as much as I do, don't assume dudes like this know whats up simply because they rock the shit on stage.
skeenatron 3 years ago
you're absolutely right! i mean AFI is like my world but STILL... it doesn't mean everything he says is true because i'm a biologist and humans ARE IN FACT built to be omnivores
nick13ismine 3 years ago 3
good to see some other people who truly love afi who don't agree with everything davey ever says or does.
kmlars22 3 years ago 3
If we are not meant to eat meat why do we have canied teeth. Also our rumen (appendage at end on intestines that help digest cellulose) would be more developed. Humans are omnivores. (I have nothing against vegans or vegatarians, just with that statement).
coolrad1 3 years ago 2
Love to Davey!! :-) And, curses to all those who put him, and/or Vegetarianism down, in any way!!! (:-()
Veggie Luv!~
*Kristin Star*
VeganStar85 3 years ago
And, most Vegetarians have grown practically immune to the stupid things that carnivores say to them...We could write a book of stupid comments. Use your brains, for once, and realize that it's WRONG to take the lives of others!!! Gosh, you negative commenters are just rotten!!! :-( Davey Havok is a Wonderful Person!!! And, Vegetarianism/Veganism Saves Lives (of non-human animals, and humans)!!!!!
VeganStar85 3 years ago
All of the asinine comments that people are leaving, in response to his video, are ridiculous, and terribly upsetting. :-( Stop trying to justify your terrible actions...You caN'T justify murder!!!!! People trying to show others what is right, is not an unwarranted imposition on their lives...It's making a positive difference in the world!!! Don't harass, or mistreat others, because you refuse to face the truth, and change the world, for the better!!!
VeganStar85 3 years ago
Davey Havok is an Amazing, Wonderful Person!!! This video just further proves that!!!!!
VeganStar85 3 years ago
I don't care what any of you animal-lovers try to shove in my face, animals and people are extremely different. Animals do not have a spirit. We, as people, rely on everything around us to survive. People cannot survive without protein, and we receive protein from animals and animal products. Complete protein doesn't come from legumes. Animals are around to serve human beings. That is their purpose.
I'm stating my opinion, just as Peta does. I just wish they wouldn't force it on people.
xxKursteexx 3 years ago
i try to be as open-minded as possible with issues and i see where you are coming from. i personally am not a vegetarian but i to the best of my ability respect vegetarians and its a path i might choose when i am older. anyway i see where you are coming from. the only thing that struck me as a little off was the thing about animals being around to serve humans. i dont believe that. they were there first, so how is this possible? i mean no offense, i just find your statement very neanderthal-ish.
tonython2 3 years ago
soo youre actually saying that humankind is a virus ! think about that....
And who has facts about animals not having spirits?
bokko 2 years ago
if thats murder then hes murdering plants and things. cuz some think that even bending a blade of grass is wrong, like the Jainism people.
so wutever dave. get over urself
fallenwillrise 3 years ago
plants don't have central nervous system so they don´t feel pain like humans and animals do.
apart from that, animals love and feel fear just like us. i don´t feel comfortable eating anything that bleeds like I do.
keksc 3 years ago 3
I'm a vegetarian myself. And I respect Davey's views on Veganism and can admit that he has made some good points
However. I am not a big fan of Peta(2) at all. I believe that they go about preaching vegetarianism all wrong. But hey, that's just me. To each there own. Either way, Davey still remains my number one hero in life!
frankiero1972 3 years ago
agree 100%
TheKingsCollapse 3 years ago
Yeah, Davey I stopped eating and wearing animals because of you!
OK, well... it was the pamphlet that someone gave at school, but it was Davey all the way!
No, it's true! I am on my 5th day animal free!
I admire the commitment and compassion of all vegans!
Especially Davey Havok!
And Natalie Portman and Alicia Silverstone, but Davey I love you.
OMG! Nat, so sorry for your shoe line having to close! I would have bought them if I was a vegan earlier.
Love you Davey!
XOXO!
HappyGoLuckyGoogler 3 years ago
im sorry davey but i like to eat meat. not all the time.. natrually i dont really like to eat meat.. and i respect him and what he is doing.. but i cant go vegan or veg because i need the protien i have an iron defishence i didnt spell that right didnt i?
woahXgirl94 3 years ago
i dont eat pork or beef but i do eat chicken i'm making my transition slowly
L8R0K3R 3 years ago
i do the same thing i only eat chicken for now and ill make my way to a full vegan
AFIFOREVER666666 3 years ago
Go vegan!
Werisx3 3 years ago
....He's not ugly
carlybea 3 years ago
haha.
whata cutieeeeee:]
waverleyW3RD 3 years ago 3
Bravo! =)
HeartTheEternal 3 years ago 2
so bascicly shugerbizz2012, that its okay to wear leather and fur even though your a vegetarian?
im a vegetarian and i dont support any form of animal violence.
pinkpurple3 3 years ago 2
Wow I LOVE him!
Ligadorra 3 years ago 3
but in the bible, god tell adam and Eve to eat the sheep, and they used sheep for sacrifice. So its ok to eat animals like cow fish chicken, because naturally in the wild animals eat other animals and like i said that's y god put them on this earth. I'm a vegetarian and i am one only because i don't want to support a industry that commits these unthinkable acts, other wise i would eat meat
shugerbizz2012 3 years ago
And the bible was written by human beings, so there you go. Oh, the hypocrecy!
andwehavehell 3 years ago 15
Davey is awesome, go vegetarian!
xxladorna 3 years ago 7
i hate to be the one to say this, but doesnt he look amazing scruffy? he is the one who inspired me to be vegatarian. thanks for posting!!
ledafrost 3 years ago 7
I love Davey. And I want his shirt.
EnglandBeat 3 years ago 6
Good video. Thanks for posting it.
stuartgriffin 3 years ago 5