Have you seen this yet? h t t p://news.nationalgeographic.c o m/news/2012/01/120106-aging-mice-stem-cells-old-young-science-health/ ^^ Biology might just catch up :D
I'm not really sure about the consciousness bit... I lean more to Kurzweil's view of it. If two separate people are formed I would like joined consciousness so like it would still be two people but like one mind. I would do my own thing and Copy Ashley would do her own thing but we would share our experiences.
Yeah I saw it a while back. Thing is, aging isn't just one process. It's a combination of many process. Telomere shortening, changes in hormone regulation, irregular gene expression, cell damage, free radicals, radiation. To cure it, it would require a combination of many therapies/medicine. There's many claims of aging "cures" but really just small pieces of the puzzle and they haven't been tested on humans yet so it's still a long way to go
But if we found a way to no shut down completely. That the bosy regenerates you and I now might be very different 500 years from now. It makes it a little pointless in one sense though very meaningful in another. We wan't to experience more. We have desire for knowledge, love, pleasure in different ways. Longer life might help us grasping how the world works so that our will toward our utopia reaches higher odds. To experience it. I think this model really outmatches the typical idea of a soul.
Yeah. I agree. What I'm in interested in is whether these 2 "different" people can look at each other and think relatively separate thoughts without being aware of the other.
For example, both would think "Hey, look I'm right over there", but be unable to perceive/think exactly what the other person is thinking but then, they would be like identical twins. What I want is to preserve ONE person without creating a second.
@EpicAthiest I think they could.The exact state it was perfectly copied from could've had thoughts if they where in that place where the copy was recreated.. If the person wasn't recreated but just magically moved at the same state, instead of recreated. The result would be the same if the experience from the different types of teleportation give different impact on the persona. Now I'm ignoring the part of destroyed before recreated.
@EpicAthiest And I believe that because I think another assembly of other but identical matter won't make any difference to the persona. There is a difference that they wouldn't share the same matter, just identical matter and arrangement. I understand that you want to be immortal as in invurnerable. If we would extend our young lives with 500 years it would help a lot of coming to know how to become invurnerable and maintain your persona.
It's basically a persons will that usually wants immortality. It values it's own experience and want it's wishes to become true. It has that funtcion. The will change over time and if one somehow managed to become immortal I think what you're realy looking for is not only a non-ending reconstructive system but something that prevents the system and it's will to shut down completely or change too much. Some parts of us are continiously dying and we change into something slightly different.
I wrote and posted quite carelessly. Your beliefs on this are the same as mine. Didn't watch the last bit untill after I posted. Impatientness. I also think hat the three dimentional, infinite, blank, as I call it is inevitable. Unescapable by logic. How can more than one thing of the same fit in one place. But perhaps something could be managed together in a system which allows two separate minds to emerge within one being experienceing the exact same thing? In a differently built system.
If a person was successfully teleported that way so there would be an exact copy, even in mind it won't take long till the difference start since they will from that point since they start at different places gradually become more or less different. Their bodies will be getting different treatments by metabolism from foods, workout and so on. Impulsed by different enviroments to do diferent things and likely become more and more diferent over time. But not necessarely very different.
Well, I believe that consciousness is emergent from our physical brain. An example would be like the magnetic field that accompanies electricity moving through a cable. The brain is the cable and moving electrons but the soul is the emergent magnetism. I'm up a little late I will think on the space/time issue of your hypothesis. My first response is to think the immaterial nature of the soul renders it free of time and space. I really liked this vid.
Hello again, sorry for buggin' ya too so much, but you'll like this......
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jaeLAX23 1 month ago
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lol. Thanks
EpicAthiest 1 month ago
Have you seen this yet? h t t p://news.nationalgeographic.c o m/news/2012/01/120106-aging-mice-stem-cells-old-young-science-health/ ^^ Biology might just catch up :D
I'm not really sure about the consciousness bit... I lean more to Kurzweil's view of it. If two separate people are formed I would like joined consciousness so like it would still be two people but like one mind. I would do my own thing and Copy Ashley would do her own thing but we would share our experiences.
CombateArmsOndraya 1 month ago
@CombateArmsOndraya
Yeah I saw it a while back. Thing is, aging isn't just one process. It's a combination of many process. Telomere shortening, changes in hormone regulation, irregular gene expression, cell damage, free radicals, radiation. To cure it, it would require a combination of many therapies/medicine. There's many claims of aging "cures" but really just small pieces of the puzzle and they haven't been tested on humans yet so it's still a long way to go
EpicAthiest 1 month ago
But if we found a way to no shut down completely. That the bosy regenerates you and I now might be very different 500 years from now. It makes it a little pointless in one sense though very meaningful in another. We wan't to experience more. We have desire for knowledge, love, pleasure in different ways. Longer life might help us grasping how the world works so that our will toward our utopia reaches higher odds. To experience it. I think this model really outmatches the typical idea of a soul.
SaerdnaOoOoo 1 month ago
@SaerdnaOoOoo
Yeah. I agree. What I'm in interested in is whether these 2 "different" people can look at each other and think relatively separate thoughts without being aware of the other.
For example, both would think "Hey, look I'm right over there", but be unable to perceive/think exactly what the other person is thinking but then, they would be like identical twins. What I want is to preserve ONE person without creating a second.
EpicAthiest 1 month ago
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SaerdnaOoOoo 1 month ago
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@EpicAthiest I think they could.The exact state it was perfectly copied from could've had thoughts if they where in that place where the copy was recreated.. If the person wasn't recreated but just magically moved at the same state, instead of recreated. The result would be the same if the experience from the different types of teleportation give different impact on the persona. Now I'm ignoring the part of destroyed before recreated.
SaerdnaOoOoo 1 month ago
@EpicAthiest And I believe that because I think another assembly of other but identical matter won't make any difference to the persona. There is a difference that they wouldn't share the same matter, just identical matter and arrangement. I understand that you want to be immortal as in invurnerable. If we would extend our young lives with 500 years it would help a lot of coming to know how to become invurnerable and maintain your persona.
SaerdnaOoOoo 1 month ago
It's basically a persons will that usually wants immortality. It values it's own experience and want it's wishes to become true. It has that funtcion. The will change over time and if one somehow managed to become immortal I think what you're realy looking for is not only a non-ending reconstructive system but something that prevents the system and it's will to shut down completely or change too much. Some parts of us are continiously dying and we change into something slightly different.
SaerdnaOoOoo 1 month ago
I wrote and posted quite carelessly. Your beliefs on this are the same as mine. Didn't watch the last bit untill after I posted. Impatientness. I also think hat the three dimentional, infinite, blank, as I call it is inevitable. Unescapable by logic. How can more than one thing of the same fit in one place. But perhaps something could be managed together in a system which allows two separate minds to emerge within one being experienceing the exact same thing? In a differently built system.
SaerdnaOoOoo 1 month ago
But they would be two of exactly the same person at two different places at for a moment. That's what I think makes most sense.
SaerdnaOoOoo 1 month ago
If a person was successfully teleported that way so there would be an exact copy, even in mind it won't take long till the difference start since they will from that point since they start at different places gradually become more or less different. Their bodies will be getting different treatments by metabolism from foods, workout and so on. Impulsed by different enviroments to do diferent things and likely become more and more diferent over time. But not necessarely very different.
SaerdnaOoOoo 1 month ago
Well, I believe that consciousness is emergent from our physical brain. An example would be like the magnetic field that accompanies electricity moving through a cable. The brain is the cable and moving electrons but the soul is the emergent magnetism. I'm up a little late I will think on the space/time issue of your hypothesis. My first response is to think the immaterial nature of the soul renders it free of time and space. I really liked this vid.
MereChristianLogic 1 month ago