Marcy Winograd Single Payer Health Care TV Spot

[Ooftyman]

The massive ignorance on this issue abounds. The issue is not "socialism or not". The issue is institutional framework. A single-payer system as suggested is not the slightest bit economically feasible.

I suggest a few basic courses in the economics of health care are in order...

[uvcrwjjfdsjew]

@Ooftyman Socialized medicine of one flavor or another is in place and by any number of metrics generally works quite well in all the other modern western nations. The VA is an example of socialized medicine in the US that works extremely well, to the point that it has won awards for good governance. Presuming you have grasped the basics of rational though, the fact that your understanding of the _theory_ of economics runs contrary to observations should suggest something to you.

[QuarkToo]

The only thing we need more than single payer health reform are politicians that have the integrity to represent the people that elected them. Marcy and Dennis Kucinich are two of those people.

Jane Harman is a hack and a tool for the zionist and she must be removed along with at least 300 others that have their hand in the central bankers pocket.

Good luck to you Marcy, I wish I were in your district so I could vote for both you and Dennis Kucinich.

[johnnorvaisas]

Creation of a "public health insurance option" is a first step toward the complete nationalization of health care. Government-managed and financed health care will inevitability result in lower standards, waiting lines, and rationed care.

[uvcrwjjfdsjew]

You mean like it has in Canada, France, England, Japan, ... except that it hasn't. They ALL have higher standards of care than the USA. Get the facts.

[johnnorvaisas]

Oh boy i want extreme rationed healthcare like Canada or the UK just like you do.

Hell no you need to wake up the Canadian and UK systems are far worse then ours.

Hell no to the public option!

The majority does not want government healthcare open your eyes and ears.

[uvcrwjjfdsjew]

I guess you've never been to Canada. Health care is not rationed. I'm telling you this as a Canadian who has experienced plenty of unrationed health care before moving to the US. The health care down here in the States is inferior. I've never personally experienced the UK health system, but all the evidence is quite to the contrary. I wonder, are you determined to ignore the facts from ignorance, ideology or cynical self interest?

[johnnorvaisas]

I travel to Canada alot and it is a bad system.

The facts are that there is no competition in Canada and there are far less Doctors in Canada thanks to your government run system.

In small towns people have to travel long ways to find a doctor or in most cases a nurse thanks to the lack of competition in Canada.

Some people have to get on a waiting list for 2 to 3 years to get a doctor in Canada.

Please i know your system is one of the worst in the world.

We the Majority don't want it!

[uvcrwjjfdsjew]

If the Canadian health care system is "one of the worst in the world", then why does Canada do better than the US in on child mortality rates, average lifespans, wait times in emergency rooms, re-admittance rates, and so on?

[johnnorvaisas]

Why do we do far better with Cancer survival?

We the majority don't want your socialist government run healthcare in America!

Keep your rationed garbage healthcare.

[uvcrwjjfdsjew]

America did 3% better on 5 year survival rate in 2003. Every other year for the last 15 years, Canada has been within 1% or done better than the USA. It's interesting to see which studies you choose to base your arguments on. Also, while I don't have anything against socialism in some contexts, the Canadian health care system is _not_ socialized medicine. I would think that some accuracy is warranted for a debate of this importance.

[johnnorvaisas]

Wow you are really misinformed the Canadian system is a form of socialst healthcare please get your facts right.

Again we the majority don't want your socialist GARBAGE rationed healthcare in America!

[uvcrwjjfdsjew]

No, the Canadian system is not socialized medicine. That would imply you don't have to pay the doctor, and in Canada you absolutely do pay for your health care. However the vast majority of Canadians are members of the public option health plan (I have coverage under the Ontario Health Insurance Plan, or OHIP for short). There are some very few competing plans. Most of these cover stuff outside of the provincial plan. It is even possible to opt out of OHIP, but almost nobody does.

[Ooftyman]

@uvcrwjjfdsjew You seem to think the laws of supply and demand somehow do not apply to health care. Artificially inflating demand while creating price barriers results in massive failure. Look at the mess that rent controls have historically created. There's a reason they were abandoned. Somehow, people seem to think that health care is somehow immune to traditional economic forces...

[Ooftyman]

@uvcrwjjfdsjew Honestly, our system is entirely different than any of theirs. They actually enjoy less bureaucracy than we do in the States. The institutional framework is entirely different. The reason our system is so difficult is that we pay for so much of our routine medical care through insurance rather than out of pocket. Defeats the purpose of insurance, doesn't it?

[uvcrwjjfdsjew]

@Ooftyman Like I said before, Canadians pay for the vast majority of their health care through insurance. The difference is that there is a public option and that public option has enormous bargaining power, which is beneficial to those who subscribe; effectively every Canadian. The problem you have here is that for an insurance company to offer competitive rates it needs to be big enough to have bargaining power, so there is an entry barrier. You do not and can not have a free market.

[Ooftyman]

@uvcrwjjfdsjew I'd suggest an overview of the research on JSTOR on this... Start with the Milbank Quarterly...

There is no barrier to entry there. That assertion is utterly false.

[uvcrwjjfdsjew]

@Ooftyman You're suggesting that a private company could achieve bargaining power on a par with a public option type solution? I suppose that's theoretically possible, but it hasn't happened in the over 40 years that the current system has been in place. The current system provides sub-standard service by any number of metrics, despite being the most expensive in the world. Single-payer and similar approaches have been proven by other countries. Why exactly shouldn't we try this approach?

[uvcrwjjfdsjew]

@Ooftyman You're suggesting that a private company could achieve bargaining power on a par with a public option type solution? I suppose that's theoretically possible, but it hasn't happened in the over 40 years that the current system has been in place. The current system provides sub-standard service by any number of metrics, despite being the most expensive in the world. Single-payer and similar approaches have been proven by other countries. Why exactly shouldn't we try this approach?

[finefilth]

"The medical cartel, at the highest level, is not out to help people, it is out to harm them, to weaken them.  To kill them. At one point in my career, I had a long conversation with a man who occupied a high government position in an African nation. He told me that he was well aware of this. He told me that WHO is a front for these depopulation interests."--Jon Rappoport interview

[finefilth]

there are 1400 health insurance companies in this country...1400 bureaucracies stealing half the till for administrative expenses... single payer would be 3% overhead max

[EthanRocks]

So where are the arguments about 700$ hammers now, when the Government can do healthCARE for less money than anyone else? Hear any Repub plans with numbers lately? Me neither.

[norehct]

We need to start noticing which 'democrats' are working for us and which are nice people who are just part of a system thats not working, sorry. 32 had the balls not to Vote for hr2346 without some sort of real objectives for that 106 billion dollars

[norehct]

By objectives i mean does it create more war and poverty or improve the lives of US citizens, as Single Payer

[trichenosis]

We need as many people signed on to HR 676 as possible.

[nilent]

Go for it Marcy!

The only way to get single payer will be if and when Congress becomes more afraid of the people voting them out of office than they are of the insurance industry that has LEGALLY bribed them with "contributions" or that may fund opponents or spend big bucks trashing them.

In ANY real fact based debate Single Payer wins hands down. The opposition is based on, essentially, corrupt premises.

Let's save a few trillion bucks (and many lives!) and get SP passed sooner not later!!!

[zizizzi]

She's got my vote!

[surrealistorg]

Right on, I want her to be in Congress.