Two Talksport callers on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

[bazle64]

People only hear what they want to hear = ignorance. Go Galloway go

[thomasg74]

The Geezer after Bryan,Andy,Sounds likes he's trying to speak with a pair of ping pong balls in His Mouth.

[khghountch]

It is easier to convince a donkey that he is not a horse, than try to convince this caller, Brian, that President Ahmadinejad didn´t threaten Israel with destruction. George, please don´t waste your time on people like Brian.

[yington]

Has Galloway missed the initial point made?

Not whether Christians can exist.

He is stating that *converts* from Islam to Christianity in Iran are hanged. GG just pretends that this point wasn't made.

And why does he not acknowledge that Ahmedinijad is a holocaust-denier?

And Ahmedinijad wants to see the *end* of *Zionism*....ummm......how can Israel exist if Zionism disappears?

The analogy with Communism and Russia is totally false (and GG knows this).

[omerjamilahmad1]

@yington Israel kills dozens of muslims everyday because they are muslims...

The caller said Christian Apostate = a christian who leaves his religion...atleast that is what christian apostasy means...

He does acknowledge that Ahmedinijad is a holocaust-denier...and so are many other 'western' historians...if u have seen enough of his shows ud know...

the anology was between communism and 'Soviet Union' ...if only u knew a little bit of history...*sigh*..

[yington]

@omerjamilahmad1

I would sigh too if had your lack of intellect.

The caller was discussing Muslims who convert to Christianity,being executed.And Galloway totally avoided discussing that point.Looks like you do too.You coward.

And many other "western" historians deny the holocaust do they!Actually, a very small minority do.But the main issue here, is Galloway's inability to outright condemn Ahmedinijad for his holocaust-denial, despite Galloway's hatred for holocaust-denial. Hypocrite.

[Threepwoodist]

@yington Because Zionism is a political movement, it doesn't determine a irreversible nature of a country. It's all quite simple.

[yington]

@Threepwoodist

Zionism = the creation and sustaining of a Jewish Homeland

Israel = the Jewish Homeland realised by Zionism.

If Zionism is to be ended, then this would of course mean the end of the Jewish homeland.

How can Israel exist, if Zionism disappears?

The end of Zionism, means the end of Israel.

It's all quite simple.

And it doesn't really require a huge stretch of the imagination to see what Ahmedinijad desires (the man hosts holocaust denial event in Iran FFS).

[Threepwoodist]

@yington So you're saying that all Jews want Zionism, and have to live as Zionists. What about Jews all over the world, who don't live as Zionists? You are just a ignorant fuck-head. You are conflating Judaism with Zionism, they are not interchangeable, or one and the same thing. The end of Israel doesn't mean the end of Zionism, and the end of Zionism doesn't mean the end of Israel; that's what a 4 year old child would say. You are assuming an awful lot, to make such a statement.

[yington]

@Threepwoodist

Haha, after that response, you call me an ignorant fuck-head? You definately must be British, only they know irony so well.

Firstly, i'm not conflating Judaism with Zionism, I have done no such thing. Whether there are Jews all over the world, who want to live in Israel, as Zionists, or not, has absolutely nothing to do with my point. You don't really understand the argument, hence lines like your first one, which has nothing to do with anything i've said at all.

[Threepwoodist]

@yington You are conflating, because you said that if Zionism ends, the state of Israel ends as well. You also crudely explained that 'Zionism = the creation and sustaining of a Jewish Homeland'. In this statement, you are saying a Jewish homeland cannot be sustained without Zionism; that, is conflation. This is not true, it's an assumption, and a child-like understanding of the situation. You also failed to prove that you are not conflating; it's time for you to get your thinking cap on.

[yington]

@Threepwoodist

But what is Zionism? It is the self-determination of the Jewish people in a sovereign Jewish national homeland.

What is Israel? It is a sovereign Jewish national homeland (whether Jews wish to live there or not).

So the logic to this, is best looked at in reverse.

HOW can Zionism cease to exist, as Ahmedinijad wants, IF Israel still exists, given what Israel is, as described above?

It can't, of course.

[Threepwoodist]

@yington Zionism is the expression of Jewish terror, in its most brutal form, Jewish people, Judaism, are both not the same as Zionism. If you take Zionism away, you are left with Judaism; clearing away Zionism, does not automatically tear away Judaism.

[yington]

@Threepwoodist

"Zionism is the expression of Jewish terror"

Huh? You fruitcake.

Zionism is the self-determination of the Jewish people in a sovereign Jewish national homeland.

"clearing away Zionism, does not automatically tear away Judaism."

Who said it does? Pay attention.

Israel, is a Jewish Homeland, and fulfils the aim of Zionism.

Zionism cannot cease to exist, so long as Israel - a Jewish state / homeland - continues to exist.

You're completely clueless.

Ciao.

[SubZero1703]

@yington Anyone who labels people with religion/beliefs and not label everyone as Human Beings, is completely clueless.

[StSimonMartyr]

IsraHell is a Jew homeland built and stolen on land FROM Palestinian Christians and Muslims..

This homeland is built for Russian and European Jews, converts, with no tie to that Holy Land.

[yington]

@Threepwoodist

So let's try again, a bit slower, for someone who is clearly a bit slow.

Israel, the country discussed here, is a Zionist State, i.e. a State which is a homeland for Jewish people (whether Jews want to live there or not), and a Jewish State.

For Zionism to no longer exist, Israel can no longer exist, at least Israel as a Jewish State (it's current form).

It's simple logic. How can Zionism cease to exist, when Israel still exists? It can't.

You get that, numbnuts?

[Threepwoodist]

@yington So if Zionism ended right now, the Jewish people who lived in Israel would not be living in a Jewish state. What if the controlling parties U-turned on Zionism? Are you suggesting that this means that the Jewish state of Israel no longer exists?

[yington]

@Threepwoodist

"" So if Zionism ended right now, the Jewish people who lived in Israel would not be living in a Jewish state. What if the controlling parties U-turned on Zionism? Are you suggesting that this means that the Jewish state of Israel no longer exists?""

But this scenario is an impossible scenario. You say "if Zionism ended right now", but you then refer to Israel still as the Jewish State.

If Israel remains the Jewish State, Zionism still exists.

[Threepwoodist]

@yington You are suggesting that one is dependent on the other; this isn't the case.

[Threepwoodist]

@yington You also said that Israel is BOTH a Zionist state, AND a Jewish state; this is dubious; however, if Zionism ceases to exist, in this equation, Israel (where Jewish people live and consider their homes) can not cease to exist by default; do you understand that?

[zakuk77]

zionists suck

[7jem331]

Jordan was actually awarded to one of the sons of the Sharif of Mecca for fighting against the Ottoman Turks. Jordan was settled by Circassians. The Palestinians who currently reside in Jordan are mostly the result of the ethnic cleansing of the Israelis after 1948.

[7jem331]

Palestine wasnt under Turkish rule during the Crusades. This caller is a bufoon.

[zshi1]

Recap on the facts here..On 1189, Richard the lionheart was on his way to the crusade in palestine.. so the country did exist, and now there is no country called palestine but there is a country called Israel today which exist on the land that used to be called palestine. So the conclusion is palestine was wiped off from the map by Israel!!

[colpro73]

Just because Zionism is bad doesn't make Mahmoud a good guy. Ahmadinejad is a two-faced liar and an idiot and yes he DID mean destroying Israel. Unlike some of you people who think it was a misinterpretation cause I actually KNOW that language and I'm an Iranian. Now stop butting in our internal affairs and supporting the retarded Islamic Republic.

[eidius1989]

there was never a country called Palestine....a region YES.... but not a country.

[7jem331]

@eidius1989 Define country. There was not a country called Jordan, there was not a country called Turkey, even Italy for that matter. Whats your point?

[eidius1989]

@7jem331 I'm just saying all this historical pride these people have its bullshit. its like German guy says Germans built the pyramids

[7jem331]

@eidius1989 Palestinans make no claim to building pyramids they make a claim to having lived in Palestine. You trying to imply there is no such place suggests that they have no right to live there (Something the Israeli aparthide government have been trying to do for the past 50 years)

[samadin32]

Brian is laughable, what is he babbling about?

[TheRivoluzione]

This Brian is lying to himself...pathetic...

[nestrohn]

George Galloway is a man of wisdom and I love the way he exposes Zionism and it's terrorist supporters. God bless him.

[amareto35]

professor23maehemm23, people need to see "DOCUMENTS" not books. and I will repeat my previous comment. Why nobody is not allowed to investigate this?

If it's true what Hilberg is saying, let non Jews pple investigate this event. the black slavery in US is open to everybody and is not a secret. Again why not the holocaust....proof Ahamadinajad is wrong, and let him do his own Investigation..

[amareto35]

Ahmadinajad never denied the Holocaust.

He said he wanted to see a proof that Hitler actually killed 6 Million Jews. I do not believe Hitler killed 6 million JEWS. I do believe he killed Jews, but not that number. If he did, why the Jews are not allowing to anybody to investigate this. Well, if someone already did investigate, lets see it..That's what Ahmadinajad is been asking for, he wanted to see the evidence..By the way the Jews killed close to that number of palestinians anyways..

[bobokk]

Andy sounds like he needs help

[tyr2473]

He is a Islamic supporter. He travels to the middle east and gives lectures about hating westeners namly in countries like Syria and Lybia

[AndrewUK1987]

HAHA! I love how George got The Eurovision Song Contest into his comments.

[eddieindahouse]

galloway is a muslim loving scum

[donkey69donkey69]

love ya george.

[jimbojones118118]

Galloway is a cunt.

[ComradeLenin1289]

EPIC! Long live George Galloway! I don't know how he has made it to the age he is now at, dealing with so many absolute MORONS like that all the time... I would have had a stroke by then. LOL. Go Mr Galloway!!! :D

[mrcheeky112]

BRIAN IS SO FUCKING DUMB! jeez how can u call and embaress ur self on nationional radio

[jblcva]

This video is not factual. I have heard the

mad mans antics. . The Romans renamed Israel Palestine.

David established Jerusalem capitol of Israel 3000+ years ago. The creator

of all says Jerusalem belongs to him.

The stage is getting set and the words

God spoke will soon be fulfilled.

[Tzimnewman3]

Zionists will allways be unable to beat Galloway. This is to do with the fact that Galloway uses facts and history and Zionists use Propaganda and distortion.

[seppomuppit]

@Tzimnewman3 Galloway was beaten long long ago, he is a laughing stock

[Tzimnewman3]

@seppomuppit "Galloway was beaten long long ago, he is a laughing stock"

Beaten? He is doing more shows now then he ever was and is still just as popular. I think you refer to the elections which isn't that important when you actually understand why he didn't win that seat.  He changed seats (area) from Bethnal Green and Bow to Popular and Limehouse.

[seppomuppit]

@Tzimnewman3 I don't refer to the elections lol, i refer to the fact this man is seen by the wider comunity as a nut case and rightly so. Did you not see the footage of this creep meeting with uday husein??

[djthefalcon]

How is this caller !! What a bull shit he tolks !! palestina and the israel people has always life together ..

And what the FUCK whe are all people and that i was born here ore there what diverents makes that NOTING !!

I like you George , you are a man of truht ..

The people in the E.U. are brain washed by TV ..

911 inside job wake up people !!

Fight the New world order controled by ROTHSCHILD BANK Family !!

[H1MLA]

DJTHEFALCON, u are an illiterate moron wilth the intellect of a thick concrete wall. So 9/11 is an inside job er? So please, enligten us, who carried out this inside job then? I like George Galloway myself, but also sees that his blind support 4 muslims extremists often let him down in the sight of rational balance folks. djthefalcon, do u honestly think Jews control the world? Yes, this Brian caller is a revisionist liar & an apologist for Isreal's occupation of Palestine.

[Ashkenaziwatcher]

Israeli zionists have met their match with there taking on GG

[Reqrezentin]

go gg

[logicismagic]

Mr Galloway, you've won yourself many admirers for your wisdom and making those disinfo agents look like circus clowns.