Arguably, the Corvette ZR-1. How can a 120 thousand dollar car be a budget car? What family on a budget can afford that? And I agree there is nothing wrong with plastic. But whenever you are talking about plastic in a car. You've gotta pay attention to the over all price of the car.
You need to be completly mad to buy a supercar built by americans for 720 000 dollars. Thats 2 Lambos and a Ferrari. All of which are WAY better than this single purpose monstrosity.
Inferiority.... I can name 60-70 top end supercars right now and 3-4 of them are from outside Europe. As far as I know, USA never made a single one. Or upper quality car at all. If you are sitting in a house made from glass.... you should atleast know better than throwing stones.
@Janusha: By the way. DOT standards is "the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards And Regulations", which is the "U.S. Department Of Transportation". Which is a requirement for a car to be considered a production car here in the U.S. which ofcourse the Aero has passed.
So its ok to make ONE car and call it a production vehicle then... Great. That defies the entire concept of production. But who cares aslong as DOT have their paperwork in order and you can wave flags for a nearly non exsistant vehicle.
EVERYBODYS likes cars from outside of america.. What do you want. A medal ?
Infact american cars have become what you buy when you cant afford what you want. People may buy american cars but if they had more money, would step it up and buy quality. There is nothing unconstitutional about that. you dont have to feel guilty for liking something not american.
@Janusha: lol Reading your comments just makes me laugh sometimes. Not once have I ever felt guilty about liking a non american car. In fact, my current favorite supercar is actually the Lexus LF-A. Which is a car that gets hated on by almost everyone because of its price. But I personally think the price of the car is fine.
Fine because whether it costs 50 times more than you will ever spend on a car or 100 times as much doesnt really matter. Its expensive because they scrapped the entire project in 2009 and started all over because they didnt think the many years of work that had gone into it, was good enough. The real difference in US supercar attempts and foreign ones is this... Americans try to close the gap between cars and racecars while actual supercars try to close the gap between cars and art.
@Janusha: There isn't anything better than a race car for the streets. Because you get the best of both worlds. You get the durability, excitement, speed and handling of a race car, and you get the luxuries and safety of a production supercar. And of course different countries have different preferences. There is nothing wrong with differences.
There is also the fact that its a hell of alot cheaper to use a steel tubular chassis as seen in racecars since the 60s and simply bolt on the Corvette engine once again and add some prefabricared racecar parts than it is to design a supercar from scratch. No american car has ever had the budget to do that.
-Which is why americans have never and will not in the forseable future be building supercars. Fast cars, sure.. Many people have done that in their own garage. But not supercars.
@Janusha: So who taught you that a car with a steel tubular chasis isn't a supercar? Secondly, no car we built, simply has a Corvette engine in it thats was simply bolted in. Each engine was extremely modified to the car's preferences that no Corvette has ever had. So is the Pagani Zonda not a supercar since its got a mercedes engine in it? What about Lotus cars thats got Toyota engines? What about the older Koeniggsegg carsthat had Ford engines?? What about the MCLaren F1 with the BMW engine?
Oh christ. Again... The Corvette engine is used because its cheap and available. And incidently is the only remaining engine series left in your entire country. You can simply go to any tuner shop and pick up parts to put it at any stage of tune for relatively low cost. And low cost is the key for any US car.
You should perhaps remember BMW raced F1 with Mclaren at the time. Which is why BMW provided them with engines. They didnt simply lift it out of a cheap BMW to save a dollar.
@Janusha: Wow. lol You just don't seem to know anything at all about this country. Both Ford and Chrysler also have there own series of high performance motors for sale as well. But you are a hypocrite and proven yourself ignorant beyond belief. Its fine for Lotus and Pagani to use an engine they didn't originally manufacture. But when an american company does it. All of a sudden, its a problem.
How many times have you told me I dont know anything about anything now. Nothing is a problem. I dont give a crap what you drive over there. I sure as hell dont care what engines they use. America has tuneshops, Europe has supercars and upper class vehicles. Simple as that. Throwing my words back at me or questioning my logic inorder to "win" some discussion doesnt change any of that.
@Janusha: lol I have already won. I won the minute you refused to acknowledge the fact that its fine in your mind, for Lotus and Pagani to use other engines. In your own ignorant mind you drive a kit car yourself.
Yes.. you win. Congratulations. Pagani has their engines made especially for them at great expense from AMG, the Mercedes performance department. They dont just lift engines out of exsisting Mercedeses to save a dollar. Lotus used to make their own series of engines but no longer does due to the fact that they are in business with Toyota. Lotus is first and foremost a performance car consultancy. But ofcourse... You win. As always.
Viper, ZR1, Ultima GTR, SSC Aero, Koenigsegg (Ford), Saleen S7 and S5S Raptor, Rossion Q1, Ford GT, Vector, Mach7 Falcon, Mosler MT900, Radical SR8 LM (#1 Nurburgring Lap Record for Production cars), the Aero II has been dubbed Shelby SSC Tuatara, should also watch for Tesla Motors and Rivian soon. When it comes to supercars that can actually perform on a track America just...wins. American cars hold 5 of the 10 top production car laps on Nurburgring including the top spot.
Oh christ... Dont think Im some amateur. Saleen died 7 years ago after selling 20 thinly disguised racecars with numberplates. Ford GT was basically an European car with an american truck engine much like its original 1960s Ford GT40. Mosler Mt900 Also a racecar that borrows heavily from Corvette race tech. Probably americas best effort but last I talked to them had sold only 37 cars. You think Koenigsegg is american do you? Tesla Roadster, Radical and Ultima are all English cars.
Raptor died when Saleen himself left the company. The rest of your list are concept cars, tuneshop jobs, prototypes, kit-cars and hopeless projects begging for investment funds.
Here are a few more. Dagger GT, Hennessey Venom, SSC Tuatara, Revenge Verde, Scorpion, Devon GTX, Stile Bertone, Vector Avitech WX8, GT Malan, ALL of these are big words and bold claims. All of americas efforts amounts to less than 1 Euro supercar company. Dont confuse amateur league with the real thing.
I may have been off on the Radical but point stands, don't trash on some of the fastest cars in the world because you don't like American made. Great Britain made what again?
@Janusha Tesla Roadster, Radical and Ultima are all English cars? Sorry, no, the only thing English there is that the Ultima's body is a British design, motor is American. Koenigsegg is WHOLLY based on Ford, and until this year they used a pure Ford motor, and even their own new design is Ford based. Unless you're American, Swedish, Italian, or German, your country hasn't made a damn thing so why talk? At least the Dutch made Donkervoort. Don't care how many sold, American is American, hater.
Radical is made in the UK and was conceived by Phil Abbott, Mick Hyde, though the creation process was done by Peter Elleray's British team. Tesla is based in California... The Ultima is most definitely an American powered vehicle, sorry.
Dude.. I got friends working at Koenigsegg. I visit them some times. I talked to them only last week. Im no amateur and I wont repeat everything I said. Koenigsegg is a Ford.... Oh my... Yousee. The non exsistance of your car industry is in staggering contrast to the frantic flagwaving and illusions of grandeour. Why dont you look it up instead of INVENTING an entirely fictional supercar business? Its not that I dont LIKE american performance cars.. Its that they dont exsist.
Tesla Roadster.. I recently drove one at a car show. They told me it was 6% Lotus Elise but when I pushed them on it, they had to concede it is infact just some marketing spam they are told to say. Its in reality 100% built and designed by Lotus and is built in Hethel England. Its then shipped to California where its PASSED OFF as an american product so that they can qualify for Obamas green tech funds and the state of Californias green energy funds. Its a marketing scheeme. Nothing more.
Same thing for Dodge Circuit. They also needed to convince Obama they had new technology and electric cars so they called Lotus. Who duly delivers. Opel Speedster, Hennessey Venom GT and partly Ford GT, Fisker Karma, same deal. I have no stake in the outcome of your car industry either way so I dont make shit up. Its just freakshow weird to me all this hype, wild claims and illusions of wooorld dominance out of you people. Your staggering naivety and shallow knowledge seems to be the norm.
@Janusha: "Tesla Roadster.. I recently drove one at a car show. They told me it was 6% Lotus Elise but when I pushed them on it, they had to concede it is infact just some marketing spam they are told to say. Its in reality 100% built and designed by Lotus and is built in Hethel England. "
Yep. Just like Lotus is mostly Toyota. So whats your point?
Lotus is Toyota now ? Hahaha you people. They are in business with Toyota on several fronts but thats Lotus main business... To develop tech for others. They are first and foremost a technology developer and consultant on performance cars. These people build F1 cars from scratch. Anything is possible. The new Lexus LFA had help from Lotus just like the Nissan GT-R and the Ford GT and all the others I mentioned previously. Try reading some facts instead of looking silly next time.
Oh and by the way.. My point? My point is that whatever a Tesla is, it sure as hell isnt american. Tesla is a company that wanted to score Obamas tech funds and the state of Californias green energy funds by building americas first electric car. And in all the flagwaving and celebration of american ingenuity, nobody cares about the tiny detail that its just a re-dressed electric Lotus passed off as an american product. Why dont they just say its an Electric Lotus ? Because of brand identity.
They want people to invest in Tesla and not in Lotus. Toyota forexample is investing heavily in Tesla. Because its now an american company which gives advantages on the american market. People will buy american without knowing they are really buying a Lotus or Toyota and still thinking they are supporting america and doing the right thing. Just like Fiats motivation for taking over Chrysler. To sell cars to a population that would never ever buy anything they think is foreign.
Direct statement "Previous Koenigsegg models were powered by Ford Modular V8 engines sourced from the U.S. Though also based on the Ford Modular architecture the engine..."
The CCX is not the only car either. Sorry but I don't just pull shit out of my ass and throw it, I'm no monkey. Next time you want to debate something I suggest you research it yourself first. Oh, and stop lying. Now that Koenig has perfected the motor with their own development, Ford is using it in the Granada.
So I'll say again, unless you're Japanese, American, German, Italian, Swedish or Dutch, your country hasn't made A DAMN THING in the field, so stop claiming "European". All Norway has invented is the Aerosol Spraycan, good job with that one. *cough*
@philonetic: Don't worry about Janusha. He is just a piece of trash nobody. Who lives on his parents farm stealing his neighbor's internet. He lives for trolling on american car videos. He cheerleads for Europe because he comes from a country thats not even relevant to this world.
Haha ok.. So first you claim the Koenigsegg is virtually a Ford and now just the engine ? I know people that build it... My company was in business with them for a brief bit on some occasions so Ive been to see their factory several times. They used a a Ford engineblock as BASE for their own engine for their very first models until they had the manpower and facilities to build their own. Today they are on their third inhouse engine and have used their OWN engines for 7 years.
But thats all it takes for you frantically flagwaving bewildered fools to claim it as your own isnt it. Find ANY miniscule detail and turn it to an angle in which the entire US car industry doesnt suck. Invent an entirely fictional list of cars and bash me with it as conclusive proof of american superiority. As if that amateur league compares to the 100 or so top end GT cars, Sportscars, Hypercars and supercars out of Europe. There is no war going on out there for supremacy in the world of cars.
As for this determination to discredit ME for saying these things.... I know the big3 spent decades linking their cars to the american dreeeam and all which is good about america.. So now that your cars kinda suck, its a sore topic, I understand that. But I think somehow my country will find a way to continue being the richest and most prosperous nation on the planet with or without your concent. My country doesnt make supercars... But then, unlike your country, we dont claim to do so either.
@Janusha: Its like I said before. You're just an illiterate dummy if you actually think that the U.S. has never built a supercar. I honestly do not wonder at all why no one believes you.
@Janusha: You are the one looking silly you idiot. Because under the hood/bonnet is all Toyota. You are just a flagwaving idiot, waving a flag for another country because your country is to incompetent to do anything for themselves.
Infact Lotus found the Toyota LFA engine too heavy for their new Esprit coming out next year... So they went and produced their very own range of engines. Which Lotus hasnt done for 10 years. The new V8 pushing out 525 hp and weighs around half of a Viper engine. So you were saying ??
They used 1800 Rover K-series engines before that. In the 2005 Lotus I drive they use the Toyota Celica engine. That I brought back with me from England. We also had the 3.5litre bi turbo Lotus Esprit in England. The last one off the line in 2001. Its coming back next year or 2013. not quite sure.. I do not see where any of this gives you any reason to discredit Lotus, me or anything at all.
Previous Koenigsegg models were powered by Ford Modular V8 engines sourced from the U.S. Though also based on the Ford Modular architecture the engine of the CCX was thoroughly re-engineered by Koenigsegg themselves and is assembled at the Koenigsegg factory. Cima made their gearbox and clutch system. The 2011 CCX is the first 100% Koenigsegg car, though still largely based on Ford architecture. I see you don't like Americans but what has your country made?
Where the hell do you get this ridiculous bullshit from ? Some american motor press ? This is all complete and utter bullshit. Koenigsggs cannot be BASED on any car because its all carbon monocoque. There is no spaceframe or any type of frame holding it together at all except large pieces of carbon assembled in Sweden where Ive been several times. Their engine is built to their specifications and is supplied by an english F1 supplier. The same one that makes Bugattis engines.
@Janusha; And speaking of Bugatti. The Veyrons are kit cars to, judging by YOUR definition of the word since Bugatti doesn't manufacture all their own parts either.
What part would that be? Even the tyres on a Veyron is made specifically for the Veyron. So what is this... Some international bullshit project where you get to lash out in anger at the wide selection of the worlds finest vehicles simply because your own business cannot compete and you have an inferiority complex ? Is it SO unthinkable that USA isnt best in everything ? Infact name some good US built cars.
@Janusha: Almost everything under the bonnet of a Veyron is Volkswagen. And secondly, I never claimed the USA is the best at everything. You are the one who is flagwaving for Europe.
I have an idea though, take your non-mature debating ignorant trolling ass somewhere else where people actually care what your angry hate-mongering self has to say, k?
Sorry that your "friends at Koenigsegg" didn't give you the heads up. lol. Delusions of grandeur. You want ME to do research yet you claimed Tesla was Euro, good job.
I dont "claim" tesla is European. Im saying its designed and built 100% at the Hethel factory in England. Which is Lotuses own headquarters. They simply called Lotus and ordered an electric car. Its not Teslas own design or tech. Then the cars are shipped to California where they insert the battery and engine so they can CLAIM its american built. That way they qualify for Obamas tech funds and California green energy funds. Its a business venture. Not a car manufacturer.
Here in Teslas own words = Tesla intends to sell the current version of the Roadster until early 2012, when its supply of Lotus Elise bases is expected to run out, as its contract with Lotus Cars for 2,400 cars expires at the end of 2011. The next generation is not expected to be introduced until at least 2013.
This took me 10 seconds to find. If you were at all intereseted in facts.. you could too.
@Janusha: Its like I said, in your own ignorant views. A Tesla isn't an american car because of its brittish influence. But a Lotus with Japanese parts under the hood/bonnet is european. So how can you sit there and act like you are not biased???
@V8Supercar1: I dont care what company uses whatever parts. I don't go around calling cars "kit cars" just because they didn't manufacture their own parts. LIKE YOU DO.
@Janusha: So let me get this straight. Tesla aren't american cars. But Lotus with Japanese mecahincal parts are british cars??? Oh please, stop exposing your ignorance over the internet constantly.
Im just saying the Tesla is just a redressed Lotus. If you want to think Lotuses arent Lotuses due to what cigarette lighter they use or what engine they chose to have... Well.. thats entirely your words.
Tesla was founded in San Carlos, California, and opened it's first retail store in West Los Angeles in April 2008, and another in Menlo Park. In 2010 the European factory was completed and right-hand drive cars were produced. Their first showroom was made in New York in 2009. They do sell Li-ion batteries out of the California facility to Toyota, Daimler, and Smart, etc. Lotus builds their Tesla designed(in Cali) chassis on contract, France builds the carbon fiber panels, that's it.
I know Tesla is an american company. Im just telling you they are businessmen. not car builders. The car is ordered from Lotus and built in England and the battery and electric engine comes from somewhere else. They dont actually BUILD anything themselves. And yes... carbonfibre body panels are from France. So you finally bothered to look up what I have been saying all along then. Now go and look up those ridiculous claims of Koenigsegg being a god damn Ford.
I dont have to... I visit their factories. Koenigsegg, Lamborghini, Lotus, Ferrari, Pagani. Where the hell do you get this ridiculous Koenigsegg / Ford rubbish from ? If you are to believe american motor press then Lamborghini built the Vipers engine. The Mercedes SLS AMG is really the next gen Viper stolen from Chrysler. America really won 4 times in a row with the "all american" Ford GT40, the new Ford GT is an all american car.... All myths, wild claims and bold lies.
@Janusha: So is that the reason why we've been kicking Europe's ass on the race track this year? Because we only care about top speed and burnouts? Once again I see you failed to do simple research again. And also. This time, SSC is not only going to break the record that Kit-Car Veyron ss posted. But the Tuatara is also going to the Nurburgring, heck, its already been on TV. SSC isn't going anywhere, they've even just recently expanded. So looks like your prayers did not work.
Americans... always when they want to make a supercar, weld together a steel tubular chassis as seen in racecars since the 60s, put in a huge, cheap engine and fit premade raceparts usually from corvette racing teams and wohoo.. Shout BEST IN THE WOOORLD, sell 20 cars and go bankrupt. Corvettes and the next Vipers have already announced they arent going into supercar market with their next lineup. instead approaches their LeMans raceteams to make racecars with numberplates.
So will they be fast? Ofcourse... speed is the easy part. Racecars do it every day. And its a hell of a lot cheaper than developing new supercar tech. SSC Can claim all they want. Lets save the flagwaving til someone actually roadtests it shall we. Speed is a decission. not an achievement. they did 3 times those speeds at Bonneville 20 years ago. So what. Supercars are about superior craftsmanship, the latest tech and styling. USA never matched even BMW for quality regardless of top speeds.
When it comes to supercars... Mclaren, Lotus made composite material vehicles 40 years ago. Paddleshift, dualclutch, millisecond gearing is already old news, Kinetic recovery system, venturi channels, midengined layout has been done since the 70s. Active aero, brake steer, carbon monocell, All these are things america still hasnt done. And the dilemma is. With americans and their pride. Now you cant do it. Because how would it look if american cars were caught copying Europeans.
@Janusha: Ofcourse. Why would Corvettes and Vipers be supercars?? We choose to kick Europe's ass at a 1/3 3rd of the price. And secondly, there is nothing at all cheap about a Corvette engine thats been proven bullet proof on a race course.
Hahaha yeah bullitproof because its the only one you still use. So how could it NOT be best. Its not like you guys would ever try a Lambo or Aston martin engine. Infact the US racing community went together and made a "best engine in the woooorld award" and the award went to.... The Corvette engine. Because they never tested anything that was not american. And people like yourself eat all this rubbish and quote it like conclusive evidence. Its freakshow funny to me.
Bottom line is... America dont produce supercars because they are unable to... Not unable to do it technically. Hell USA put 2 more or less working cars on Mars and 1 on the moon. There is no reason to fail at cars on this planet. But there are no facilities, tradition or expertise in all of US car business to establish supercar tech and quality. And more importantly, there is no investment. Investors dont BELIEVE in the projects. So they never happen.
@Janusha: Lamborghini and aston martin engines doesn't come with any kind of decent warranty. Corvette engines comes with a 5 year / 100,000 mile warranty and its not voided if you use the launch control. Secondly, corvette engines continue to pass critical endurance testing with ease, often 300+ hours of redline dyno testing before they decide to put their engine into production. I'm not saying we automatically make the worlds best engines, but we defintely make some of the best engines.
Corvettes come with a long warranty because they dont really have alot of buildquality and they really arent selling any cars these days. Porsche sells 12 times more cars. Also many car makers offer the exact same warranty. If you really need to look at the god damn warranty to find a positive side to the US car industry then its worse than i thought. You have NO IDEA what other engines go through in testing. As an american you look at america only and shout BEST IN THE WOOORLD !!!!
@Janusha: Since when have I told your ignorant ass that america = BEST IN THE WORLD!!?? Secondly. How can a manufacturer give you a big warranty on something that doesn't have great build quality?? Wouldn't a company lose money on it?? I mean seriously. How stupid are you? You should at least think before you type.
Business hasnt really been GMs strongest point lately has it. Will you perhaps tell me they are best in the woooorld at quality aswell now ? Most american cars today... especially GMs are built in Mexico, Brazil, Asia and most GMs are rebadged Korean Daewoo. GM is big in China now because of Obama threatening to tax chinese goods into USA if they dont get special treatment over there. GMs plan is to soon start shipping Chinese squeeky plastic GMs back to USA. So much for US cars.
@Janusha: GM's business hasn't been its strongest point lately? So is that the reason why for the first time in decades they have been outselling Ford here in the U.S. this year? I guess your logic is backwards. Secondly, I don't care where they build their cars or who builds them or even where the materials come from. I'm not prejudice like you have proven yourself to be.
So you dont care at all that they took their 50 billion out of the 100 billion bailout money and effectively fled the country then? Leaving behind 90 factories in Michigan that taxpayers had to pay another billion to clean out now that it was government owned. While their bosses have private jets and moviestar lifestyles ? Moving the core of the US industry to fucking third world shitholes leaving hundreds of thousands unemployed. Aslong as you can keep waving that flag for US cars?
@Janusha: So they fled the country huh? lol Look. Business is business. You do what you have to do to keep going. If its cheaper for them to build cars on Mars or the moon I wouldn't care. The reason why I feel that way is because GM is a budget car company. If it wasn't for companies like Ford, Chrysler, GM, and Toyota. Most of us Americans would be on bicycles. Because Mercedes, BMW, and Porsche sure as hell don't build budget cars.
Exactly.. its a budget car company. So why do you guys believe and expect them to be as good as BMW, Mercedes, hell even Ferrari ? you pretty much get what you pay for. A dollar is still a dollar to you guys but you should know over here, its worth half what it used to be. So OBVIOUSLY when you buy imports, its going to cost more now days. But whats this pride in occupying the cheapass end of the market? Made in fucking china, squeeky plastic. Why not step it up just ONCE.
@Janusha: Obviously not every single car they build is a budget car. But they are obviously a majority budget car company. Secondly, I've never been in any car that didn't have some plastic in it. And I've been in lots of BMWs and Mercedes. And thirdly. Who the hell said that they are the best in the world over them??? How can you even tell which company is better than the other when they have different goals?
Its funny how flagwaving bewildered nutcases like you go all quiet when I tell them to name these amazing ameican cars that you are shouting on behalf of. If you could name just a couple of american built, internationally competitive vehicles, then you would actually have an arguement instead of just spitting hate and waving that flag in everybodys face.
@Janusha: I have named cars to you in the past you piece of shit. You just have proven yourself ignorant beyond belief. What the hell am I flagwaving for if some of my favorite cars aren't even American?? You are to the point now where you don't even make sense, Secondly. YOU name some Norweigan supercars. Can you name a couple or any at all???
The difference is... And its not an insignificant difference. Is that my country... dont CLAIM to build supercars any more than we build supercars. Im not on some singular quest to discredit US cars or america in general. I just find it weird how frantic flagwaving, wild claims, bold lies and myths seems to be the fundation for your car knowledge. Today in light of recent apocalyptic failures, I understand its a sore topic but for fucks sakes. CLAIMING shit doesnt change the facts.
@Janusha: Claims?? What claims have we made that we didn't do?? What are these wild myths? Your country hasn't claim anything because you simply cant. Your country has done nothing to better this world. The only reason why you even exist is because of what others have brought.
@Janusha: I knew you couldn't answer those questions. But anyway. You come from a country that has done nothing and will never amount to anything. So in my opinion, your opinions about this country means nothing to me.
Its not t hat I cant answer... This is what I do... However with you... Ive done it so many times and I just dont know where to start. Nor can i muster the testicular fortitude to endure this staggering naivety for for much longer. You see this is like religion for you. Its about having faith and believing. Perhaps you think its all gonna be fine aslong as you believe in it hard enough. Or aslong as you can "beat" me at word play, then your car business will spring back to life.
@Janusha: I'm just here to help you keep exposing your ignorance. Anytime I find you talking trash on a video. I'm gonna call you out on it and just let everyone see how ignorant you are.
@Janusha: I'm not trying to win a war of words with you. I just enjoy helping you expose yourself. What is it that you have against the U.S anyway. Its like you are jealous or something because this is definitely more than just cars. What are you jealous of our gas prices? Or are you mad at the fact that General George Washington kicked the living crap out of those brits that tried to invade us in the late 1700s? I mean what is it really??????
Its not hard. Just tell me the names of these amazing internationally successful american built vehicles so that I can look them up. Then you might just have an arguement. Surely thats easy. There are after all hundreds of European / Japanese cars that sell in all countries and are commercial successes and are quality products. I mean... Im just asking for 2-3 names. I mean.. There must be some. Otherwise... What the hell are you shouting about ?
@Janusha: Who went and wrote some law that a car has to be "INTERNATIONALLY GREAT". in order for it to be a successful?? Where are you getting this from? But anyway. I no longer answer your questions because I don't respect you. You are a well known ignorant piece of trash. And I'm only to help you expose yourself.
Yes Im well known. Which is why people search for my comments just to attack. But not for my "stupid" answers.
So there are no internationally competitive american built vehicles on the world market then... So whats all this shouting for? You just dont like me saying it ? Truth is entirely secondary with you flagwavers isnt it. You are more concerned with some foreigner telling you things you dont like to hear. therefore Im anti american. At what point does it get embarrassing.
Haha "Who went and wrote some law that a car has to be great" Exactly this attitude towards quality is what Im talking about. This... Exactly this is why america will never focus on quality vehicles. Tell me.. whats with this pride in occupying the cheapass end of the market anyway ?
@Janusha: Thats not what I said. Please learn to read. Porsche doesn't sell as well as Corvettes, mustangs, or Camaros here in the states. Does that mean that Porsches aren't great cars?? Once again by your own ignorant logic in your very own opinion Porsches arent quality cars as well. You say we don't have any internationally competitive vehicles? Well ask Porsche, Ferrari, and BMW that when the Corvettes kicked their ass at the 24 hours of France race.
Dude... Porsches business model is, like their cars, infinitly more modern and developed. Which is why they have 23 different models of the 911 currently available. They have cars from entry level sportscars to SUVs and luxury saloons to the most raced up barely legal monsters. And if that isnt enough.. How about a 1200hp Porsche 9FF. Porsche sells 120 000 cars a year. Dont even think Corvette can match a tenth of that.
@Janusha: And just like I said. HERE IN AMERICA, Corvettes outsell Porsches. So by your own logic, they are not good. We already have a car that can take on pretty much every Porsche model. The Ford Mustang boss 302 LS can take out all those Caymans and boxters, the corvette ZR-1 can take out some of those 911s and 997s. The Saleen S7 can take them all out except for the 9ff GT9. One of my personal favorite Porsche models.
Take out ? Whats with you people.. Always talking about SMOKE, KILL, RAPE as if there is a god damn war going on. A lower end Porsche is a lower end porsche. That means they didnt aim at making it fastest in the world and failed. They are making cars for all segments. You people just DO not understand this. This is exactly the reason you guys use enormous engines. To focus on all that brute force and forget the complete lack of other capabilities because force is all you can see.
The Saleen S7 doesnt actually exsist as a brand does it. As a single car, yes. But not as a competitive brand. Its just a thinly disguised racecar with numberplates that sold only a handful of cars and went bankrupt 7 years ago. Porsche sold over 21000 cars in USA so far this year. 12,194 is the official number of Corvettes made last year. And thats americas ONLY performance car... and they cant even sell it outside america. Congratulations on this achievement.
@Janusha: The Bugatti Veyron SS only has a production run of 30 cars. So by your logic it doesn't exist I guess and its not a competitively brand. Secondly. How is Saleen bankrupt when they are currently in business announcing their 2011 products?? Again, you are not making any sense. The only thing that happened to Saleen was that Steve Saleen left the company to start his own company. Which he has now successfully done. I wonder if you can do some basic reasearch to find out what it is.
@Janusha: Yeah "take out". As in out perform for half the money. You think a mustang with a solid rear axel was made to be the fastest anything?? We make enormous engines? Europe makes smaller engines THAT ARE HEAVIER than some of our bigger displacement engines. Does that make any sense?Actually it does if you know anything about engines. But I know for a fact you have no knowledge at all about engines anyway. What good is the smaller engine if its heavier than a bigger engine??????
Saleen went bankrupt when Saleen himself left the company and started working somewhere else. Their new Raptor concept died along with it. Ask Google for "Saleen warranties null and void" They are today operating under new leadership and are back to tuning mustangs.. Which REALLY cant count as building cars can it. And didnt I just tell you that Porsche sold over 20 000 cars in USA this year. Which is more than Corvette. Again... Ask google.
And if Mustangs solid rear axel makes them... less competitive... Tell me... Who the fuck forces them to use a solid rear axel ? How about keeping up with the tech and being competitive. There is no reason america DONT make good cars. Except their determination not to. The technology is out there for anyone. just buy a European supercar, take it apart, see what makes it so good and make something similar. The Japs have shamelessly copied for decades.
This ridiculous ideas that american engines are somehow better and haha.. even lighter than smaller european engines is an american myth. Something you tell yourselves to feel good about american cars. infact the Viper engine is 323 kilos which is half the weight of my entire car. A 2005 Lotus Elise. The Lotus Esprit V8 on the other hand produces 525 hp and weighs 170 kilos. Which is half the weight of a Viper engine with 600 hp. So you are right... It doesnt make any sense. its just wrong.
@Janusha: I'm talking about high performance Porsches you idiot. Not those cheap Porsches that doctors and lawyers buy. And secondly. I don't have to use google because I can walk right into their place of operation. And how are they bankrupt if you just said they are operating under new leadership? You are contradicting yourself. And I still see you have not found that company that Steve Saleen just started himself. Maybe in a year or 2 you will learn to read i guess and then you will know.
Man just how dumb are you?? Looks like I gotta take you by the hand about engines as well. Not every engine is lighter you clown. But one eye popping example is the Corvette's LS7 7.0 engine which is lighter and more fuel efficient than BMW's 5.0 liter engine. Now. Can you tell me why? I know why. Its really a very simple answer why. Lets find out if you know the very basics about different types of engines. Go on. Explain to me why this 7.0 liter corvette engine is lighter.
Ill tell you why american engines are "more fuel efficient" the Corvette ZR1 forexample. Americans like to quote 28 mpg or whatever. Which is great compared to a Murchielago with 17. But this is best case scenario. Here a ZR1 is listed at 19 average. Because when you put your foot down you get 4. Then there is the fact that america uses different miles and different gallons. Colonial vs imperical measurements. So it translates back to american as 15 mpg which is pathetic.
And why should I really care what Steve Saleen does... Bankrupt is bankrupt. I know they tune mustangs. So what. thats all americans ever do is tune Corvettes and Mustangs and recieve hero status for it. Like the legend Shelby that never actually built a single car. Saleen dont make cars. Because it went... bankrupt. You walk into their operations all you like. And count how many supercars they build.
@Janusha: Any person with simple common sense knows that fuel economy is different depending on your driving habits. It doesn't matter if the car is german, japanese, american, or what ever. Automakers give you the information on what the car is capable of. The Veyron has been ranked as the worst fuel efficient car today eventhough its fuel economy claims is not the worst. Why? Because when you put your foot down in a Veyron and keep it down, you empty the entire fuel tank in under 6 minutes.
@V8Supercar1: And Secondly. Steve Saleen isn't bankrupt? How can someone be bankrupt and start a new business at the same time? Its obviously you have no education at all if you can't even understand something as simple as this. Get off of your parent's farm, and go out and learn something.
Christ what a load of bullshit. I wont even bother to answer that fuel shit.
As for Saleen. His business went bankrupt and was taken over by MJ aquisitions. Search Google for "Saleen, MJ Acquisitions Scraps Warranty Coverage" They didnt continue the car building part. They sold off all the equipment and Saleen himself left the company and started another one. If you really gave a shit, you could find this info just as easily as me.. that dont give a shit.
@Janusha: You see. The thing is. Your reading skills are so low that you don't even realize that I never doubted that Saleen inc was taken over by someone else. Who cares who it was taken over by if the business is still in business and doing what they've been doing for decades. Here is a hint about Steve Saleen. He left Saleen inc. to break his ties with Ford. His new automotive company is up and running. He is a major tuner now instead of just tunning Fords.
@Janusha: Why am I not surprised that you think that a european car retains its gas mileage rating even when the pedal is to the floor. lol. You my friend, are a complete and utter joke.
Like I said.. Saleen is out of business BUILDING CARS. they might still be fitting god damn blowers to god damn Mustangs. But that doesnt count towards building supercars now does it. Major tuner hahaha.. Why the fuck do tuneshops in USA recieve such hero status. Dont you people understand that this.. Is the main reason you guys dont have a supercar industry. Or a prestige car industry at all.
And about your fuel comment.. I never said anything remotely like that.
Like I said.. Saleen is out of business BUILDING CARS. they might still be fitting god damn blowers to god damn Mustangs. But that doesnt count towards building supercars now does it. Major tuner hahaha.. Why the fuck do tuneshops in USA recieve such hero status. Dont you people understand that this.. Is the main reason you guys dont have a supercar industry. Or a prestige car industry at all.
And about your fuel comment.. I never said anything remotely like that.
@Janusha: And by the way. SSC is developing their own engine this time for the Tuatara. A 1350HP 7.0 DOHC V8 with a 9000rpm rev limiter. A tripple disc clutch transmission with a paddle shift option.
@Janusha: Even though I love Lambos, If they are so much better. Then why can't their engines take much abuse. Over the past 3 years I have now witnessed at least 3 different Lambos that blew their motor's during competition. The Ultimate Aero's engines went through over 300 plus hours of redline testing before it went into production.
Into production... They sold what.. 10-12 of them? Thats not production. Out of the tens of thousands of Lambos out there that may have been tuned to explosions by un-qualified tuneshops fitting twin turbos on Gallardos.
What american tuneshops should understand is that a Nissan GT-R, Lambo, Ferrari is already tuned by the factory. They arent enormous, lazy, huge engines that are built for tuneshops and after market modding. They should stick to tuning Corvettes and Mustangs.
@Janusha: It doesn't matter what they sold in order for it to be a production car. It only matters what they built and put up for sale according to production car laws. Of course I'm not surprised you don't know this by now. And secondly I'm not talking about tuned Lambos. Those Lambos were bone stock.
If I make a car in my garage... Is that a production car? how about if I make 2. Where is the limit ? There used to be a limit of 20-something car before you could call it a production car and enter a GT race with a GT-R version atleast. Altho many have gone around that by simply promising to make 20 but never actually doing it. Other than that... you may dislike the Lambo engines all you like. I dont see the relevance. Im certainly not going to discuss engines on single models.
@Janusha: In order for a car to meet minimum production car status, you have to build and put up for sale atleast 25 cars. It doesn't matter what the actual sales figures are, nor does it matter where it was built. No one ever claimed the Aero to be a mass production car. But it is an actual production car that has met production car standards, and DOT standards.
So the SSC Aero isnt an actual production car then... Which disqualifies it for fastest production car in the world. Which is probably why I never actually saw it listed in Guiness book of records. There is no way in hell they ever sold sold 25 cars. Atleast not in 2007 when they claimed the record. Its more realistic they built something like 12-15 of which 2 are prototypes. Obviously it meets standards or it wouldnt get licence plates. That doesnt validify it as a quality product.
@Janusha: And who are you again? Who are you to decide whether or not a car is a production car or not? Your points are null and void because you are not a real car enthusiast. If you never actually saw it in the guiness book of world records, its probably because you can't read. Because I have verified it myself when I actually went to see the car in person I saw OFFICIAL documents. But someone like you rely on others for information. So in my opinion YOU ARE A NOBODY.
I dont decide anything... You told me yourself they need to make 25 cars or it isnt a "production" vehicle. They didnt make 25 of them becuse nobody actually bought an SSC Aero. Ill make you an official document too.. One that says FUCK OFF on it. Its not my fault that your otherwise fine nation is unable to build cars.
@Janusha: Unfortunately you are an illiterate, because if you could actually do simple research. You would have found out that you don't need to build 25 cars anymore for your car to called an official production car.
Lotus has pioneered sportscars and racing in UK car history. Just like US cars, there were times of trouble and many got sold off or went bankrupt. But none of the production ever went to asia like todays GMs. The cars are still built on Colin Chapmans ideas of power adds speed while lightness improves all aspects of a car. Just like Jaguar, Aston Martin, Bentley... being owned by foreign corporations doesnt change that its built, designed, marketed and sold as a british car.
No its NOT just an american rule. To qualify for "production car" you need to have made a set number of vehicles in all countries. Or anyone could make a car and claim whatever they like.
@Janusha: "No its NOT just an american rule. To qualify for "production car" you need to have made a set number of vehicles in all countries. Or anyone could make a car and claim whatever they like."
lol. Wow, you are a complete joke. I just told you there is no minimum requirement as for as number of cars you build anymore. Where is your proof that says other wise?????
@Janusha: I can't wait to hear your pathetic whining again next year when the SSC Tuatara releases. And it takes down the Bugatti AGAIN. I was actually surprised that Volkswagen admitted in Top Gear magazine that the only reason why the Veyron ss was even built was to get the top speed record back because of the Ultimate Aero.
You must get different top gear magazines than I get then... Is it really so weird that the last of the production line becomes a special edition ? EVERY single Euro supercar does that. The SSC aero was only ever a fast kit-car. And that reflects americas view on the whole performance issue. To you guys burnouts and top speeds is all that matters. And since you can do that in a tuned Mustang, a supercar has always been seen as a waste of money. Speed on its own is cheap.
Racecars, dragsters have done it since the 60s. Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari all started doing 200 mph in the 80s and dont go any faster today because speeds beyond that are purely theoretical. Bugattis arent best in the world because they have 1000 hp or because of its top speed. its the best vehicle in the world because its the automotive technological achievement of our generation. Build quality, tech, handling, styling, craftsmanship. These are areas where america has a lot of catching up to do.
@sylvaticalexpro Yes it is, but i was just letting him know that the Aero isnt "the fastest car" I was telling him to change it to worlds fastest "production" car because at the time he posted it was true but ofcourse not the bugatti ss is now on top
shelby built the ultimate aero and guess what the hennesy venom gt.. all american so let them praise american super cars all they want
mrmoparcory 6 months ago
@mrmoparcory The Aero is a terrible, terrible car.
RunLikeHellIV 5 months ago
Arguably, the Corvette ZR-1. How can a 120 thousand dollar car be a budget car? What family on a budget can afford that? And I agree there is nothing wrong with plastic. But whenever you are talking about plastic in a car. You've gotta pay attention to the over all price of the car.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
all i know is on forza these things are extremely loud
MrDavidruffin 7 months ago
I like the car paint job not
Bigmommy2011 8 months ago
He black allsome
Bigmommy2011 8 months ago
You need to be completly mad to buy a supercar built by americans for 720 000 dollars. Thats 2 Lambos and a Ferrari. All of which are WAY better than this single purpose monstrosity.
Janusha 11 months ago
@Janusha Inferiority complex at it's best.
Keep it up Sucker ;)
xabipp 11 months ago
@xabipp
Inferiority.... I can name 60-70 top end supercars right now and 3-4 of them are from outside Europe. As far as I know, USA never made a single one. Or upper quality car at all. If you are sitting in a house made from glass.... you should atleast know better than throwing stones.
Janusha 11 months ago
@Janusha Thanks for showing us your inferiority Complex.
Keep up the good work.
xabipp 10 months ago
@xabipp
Yes.. I got complexes because america produces 1-2 internationally competetive cars and Im overwhelmed with envy and dont know how to handle it all.
Janusha 10 months ago
@Janusha "envy"?!?!
Seek help Kid.A.S.A.P.
xabipp 10 months ago
@Janusha: By the way. DOT standards is "the Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards And Regulations", which is the "U.S. Department Of Transportation". Which is a requirement for a car to be considered a production car here in the U.S. which ofcourse the Aero has passed.
V8Supercar1 10 months ago
@V8Supercar1
So its ok to make ONE car and call it a production vehicle then... Great. That defies the entire concept of production. But who cares aslong as DOT have their paperwork in order and you can wave flags for a nearly non exsistant vehicle.
Janusha 10 months ago
@Janusha: Where do you get this "flagwaving" thing from? How can I be a flagwaver, if I also like cars outside of this country?
V8Supercar1 10 months ago
@V8Supercar1
EVERYBODYS likes cars from outside of america.. What do you want. A medal ?
Infact american cars have become what you buy when you cant afford what you want. People may buy american cars but if they had more money, would step it up and buy quality. There is nothing unconstitutional about that. you dont have to feel guilty for liking something not american.
Janusha 10 months ago
@Janusha: lol Reading your comments just makes me laugh sometimes. Not once have I ever felt guilty about liking a non american car. In fact, my current favorite supercar is actually the Lexus LF-A. Which is a car that gets hated on by almost everyone because of its price. But I personally think the price of the car is fine.
V8Supercar1 9 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Fine because whether it costs 50 times more than you will ever spend on a car or 100 times as much doesnt really matter. Its expensive because they scrapped the entire project in 2009 and started all over because they didnt think the many years of work that had gone into it, was good enough. The real difference in US supercar attempts and foreign ones is this... Americans try to close the gap between cars and racecars while actual supercars try to close the gap between cars and art.
Janusha 9 months ago
@Janusha: There isn't anything better than a race car for the streets. Because you get the best of both worlds. You get the durability, excitement, speed and handling of a race car, and you get the luxuries and safety of a production supercar. And of course different countries have different preferences. There is nothing wrong with differences.
V8Supercar1 9 months ago
There is also the fact that its a hell of alot cheaper to use a steel tubular chassis as seen in racecars since the 60s and simply bolt on the Corvette engine once again and add some prefabricared racecar parts than it is to design a supercar from scratch. No american car has ever had the budget to do that.
-Which is why americans have never and will not in the forseable future be building supercars. Fast cars, sure.. Many people have done that in their own garage. But not supercars.
Janusha 9 months ago
@Janusha: So who taught you that a car with a steel tubular chasis isn't a supercar? Secondly, no car we built, simply has a Corvette engine in it thats was simply bolted in. Each engine was extremely modified to the car's preferences that no Corvette has ever had. So is the Pagani Zonda not a supercar since its got a mercedes engine in it? What about Lotus cars thats got Toyota engines? What about the older Koeniggsegg carsthat had Ford engines?? What about the MCLaren F1 with the BMW engine?
V8Supercar1 9 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Oh christ. Again... The Corvette engine is used because its cheap and available. And incidently is the only remaining engine series left in your entire country. You can simply go to any tuner shop and pick up parts to put it at any stage of tune for relatively low cost. And low cost is the key for any US car.
You should perhaps remember BMW raced F1 with Mclaren at the time. Which is why BMW provided them with engines. They didnt simply lift it out of a cheap BMW to save a dollar.
Janusha 9 months ago
@Janusha: Wow. lol You just don't seem to know anything at all about this country. Both Ford and Chrysler also have there own series of high performance motors for sale as well. But you are a hypocrite and proven yourself ignorant beyond belief. Its fine for Lotus and Pagani to use an engine they didn't originally manufacture. But when an american company does it. All of a sudden, its a problem.
V8Supercar1 9 months ago
@V8Supercar1
How many times have you told me I dont know anything about anything now. Nothing is a problem. I dont give a crap what you drive over there. I sure as hell dont care what engines they use. America has tuneshops, Europe has supercars and upper class vehicles. Simple as that. Throwing my words back at me or questioning my logic inorder to "win" some discussion doesnt change any of that.
Janusha 9 months ago
@Janusha: lol I have already won. I won the minute you refused to acknowledge the fact that its fine in your mind, for Lotus and Pagani to use other engines. In your own ignorant mind you drive a kit car yourself.
V8Supercar1 9 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Yes.. you win. Congratulations. Pagani has their engines made especially for them at great expense from AMG, the Mercedes performance department. They dont just lift engines out of exsisting Mercedeses to save a dollar. Lotus used to make their own series of engines but no longer does due to the fact that they are in business with Toyota. Lotus is first and foremost a performance car consultancy. But ofcourse... You win. As always.
Janusha 9 months ago
@Janusha: You're an idiot. As always. No one just simply lifts any engine out of a car to save a dollar.
V8Supercar1 9 months ago
@Janusha
Viper, ZR1, Ultima GTR, SSC Aero, Koenigsegg (Ford), Saleen S7 and S5S Raptor, Rossion Q1, Ford GT, Vector, Mach7 Falcon, Mosler MT900, Radical SR8 LM (#1 Nurburgring Lap Record for Production cars), the Aero II has been dubbed Shelby SSC Tuatara, should also watch for Tesla Motors and Rivian soon. When it comes to supercars that can actually perform on a track America just...wins. American cars hold 5 of the 10 top production car laps on Nurburgring including the top spot.
philonetic 6 months ago
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Janusha 6 months ago
Oh christ... Dont think Im some amateur. Saleen died 7 years ago after selling 20 thinly disguised racecars with numberplates. Ford GT was basically an European car with an american truck engine much like its original 1960s Ford GT40. Mosler Mt900 Also a racecar that borrows heavily from Corvette race tech. Probably americas best effort but last I talked to them had sold only 37 cars. You think Koenigsegg is american do you? Tesla Roadster, Radical and Ultima are all English cars.
Janusha 6 months ago
Raptor died when Saleen himself left the company. The rest of your list are concept cars, tuneshop jobs, prototypes, kit-cars and hopeless projects begging for investment funds.
Here are a few more. Dagger GT, Hennessey Venom, SSC Tuatara, Revenge Verde, Scorpion, Devon GTX, Stile Bertone, Vector Avitech WX8, GT Malan, ALL of these are big words and bold claims. All of americas efforts amounts to less than 1 Euro supercar company. Dont confuse amateur league with the real thing.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha
I may have been off on the Radical but point stands, don't trash on some of the fastest cars in the world because you don't like American made. Great Britain made what again?
philonetic 6 months ago
@Janusha Tesla Roadster, Radical and Ultima are all English cars? Sorry, no, the only thing English there is that the Ultima's body is a British design, motor is American. Koenigsegg is WHOLLY based on Ford, and until this year they used a pure Ford motor, and even their own new design is Ford based. Unless you're American, Swedish, Italian, or German, your country hasn't made a damn thing so why talk? At least the Dutch made Donkervoort. Don't care how many sold, American is American, hater.
philonetic 6 months ago
@Janusha
Radical is made in the UK and was conceived by Phil Abbott, Mick Hyde, though the creation process was done by Peter Elleray's British team. Tesla is based in California... The Ultima is most definitely an American powered vehicle, sorry.
philonetic 6 months ago
@philonetic
Dude.. I got friends working at Koenigsegg. I visit them some times. I talked to them only last week. Im no amateur and I wont repeat everything I said. Koenigsegg is a Ford.... Oh my... Yousee. The non exsistance of your car industry is in staggering contrast to the frantic flagwaving and illusions of grandeour. Why dont you look it up instead of INVENTING an entirely fictional supercar business? Its not that I dont LIKE american performance cars.. Its that they dont exsist.
Janusha 6 months ago
Tesla Roadster.. I recently drove one at a car show. They told me it was 6% Lotus Elise but when I pushed them on it, they had to concede it is infact just some marketing spam they are told to say. Its in reality 100% built and designed by Lotus and is built in Hethel England. Its then shipped to California where its PASSED OFF as an american product so that they can qualify for Obamas green tech funds and the state of Californias green energy funds. Its a marketing scheeme. Nothing more.
Janusha 6 months ago
Same thing for Dodge Circuit. They also needed to convince Obama they had new technology and electric cars so they called Lotus. Who duly delivers. Opel Speedster, Hennessey Venom GT and partly Ford GT, Fisker Karma, same deal. I have no stake in the outcome of your car industry either way so I dont make shit up. Its just freakshow weird to me all this hype, wild claims and illusions of wooorld dominance out of you people. Your staggering naivety and shallow knowledge seems to be the norm.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: "Tesla Roadster.. I recently drove one at a car show. They told me it was 6% Lotus Elise but when I pushed them on it, they had to concede it is infact just some marketing spam they are told to say. Its in reality 100% built and designed by Lotus and is built in Hethel England. "
Yep. Just like Lotus is mostly Toyota. So whats your point?
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Lotus is Toyota now ? Hahaha you people. They are in business with Toyota on several fronts but thats Lotus main business... To develop tech for others. They are first and foremost a technology developer and consultant on performance cars. These people build F1 cars from scratch. Anything is possible. The new Lexus LFA had help from Lotus just like the Nissan GT-R and the Ford GT and all the others I mentioned previously. Try reading some facts instead of looking silly next time.
Janusha 6 months ago
Oh and by the way.. My point? My point is that whatever a Tesla is, it sure as hell isnt american. Tesla is a company that wanted to score Obamas tech funds and the state of Californias green energy funds by building americas first electric car. And in all the flagwaving and celebration of american ingenuity, nobody cares about the tiny detail that its just a re-dressed electric Lotus passed off as an american product. Why dont they just say its an Electric Lotus ? Because of brand identity.
Janusha 6 months ago
They want people to invest in Tesla and not in Lotus. Toyota forexample is investing heavily in Tesla. Because its now an american company which gives advantages on the american market. People will buy american without knowing they are really buying a Lotus or Toyota and still thinking they are supporting america and doing the right thing. Just like Fiats motivation for taking over Chrysler. To sell cars to a population that would never ever buy anything they think is foreign.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha
Direct statement "Previous Koenigsegg models were powered by Ford Modular V8 engines sourced from the U.S. Though also based on the Ford Modular architecture the engine..."
The CCX is not the only car either. Sorry but I don't just pull shit out of my ass and throw it, I'm no monkey. Next time you want to debate something I suggest you research it yourself first. Oh, and stop lying. Now that Koenig has perfected the motor with their own development, Ford is using it in the Granada.
philonetic 6 months ago
@Janusha
So I'll say again, unless you're Japanese, American, German, Italian, Swedish or Dutch, your country hasn't made A DAMN THING in the field, so stop claiming "European". All Norway has invented is the Aerosol Spraycan, good job with that one. *cough*
philonetic 6 months ago
@philonetic: Don't worry about Janusha. He is just a piece of trash nobody. Who lives on his parents farm stealing his neighbor's internet. He lives for trolling on american car videos. He cheerleads for Europe because he comes from a country thats not even relevant to this world.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@philonetic
Haha ok.. So first you claim the Koenigsegg is virtually a Ford and now just the engine ? I know people that build it... My company was in business with them for a brief bit on some occasions so Ive been to see their factory several times. They used a a Ford engineblock as BASE for their own engine for their very first models until they had the manpower and facilities to build their own. Today they are on their third inhouse engine and have used their OWN engines for 7 years.
Janusha 6 months ago
But thats all it takes for you frantically flagwaving bewildered fools to claim it as your own isnt it. Find ANY miniscule detail and turn it to an angle in which the entire US car industry doesnt suck. Invent an entirely fictional list of cars and bash me with it as conclusive proof of american superiority. As if that amateur league compares to the 100 or so top end GT cars, Sportscars, Hypercars and supercars out of Europe. There is no war going on out there for supremacy in the world of cars.
Janusha 6 months ago
As for this determination to discredit ME for saying these things.... I know the big3 spent decades linking their cars to the american dreeeam and all which is good about america.. So now that your cars kinda suck, its a sore topic, I understand that. But I think somehow my country will find a way to continue being the richest and most prosperous nation on the planet with or without your concent. My country doesnt make supercars... But then, unlike your country, we dont claim to do so either.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: Its like I said before. You're just an illiterate dummy if you actually think that the U.S. has never built a supercar. I honestly do not wonder at all why no one believes you.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@Janusha: You are the one looking silly you idiot. Because under the hood/bonnet is all Toyota. You are just a flagwaving idiot, waving a flag for another country because your country is to incompetent to do anything for themselves.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Infact Lotus found the Toyota LFA engine too heavy for their new Esprit coming out next year... So they went and produced their very own range of engines. Which Lotus hasnt done for 10 years. The new V8 pushing out 525 hp and weighs around half of a Viper engine. So you were saying ??
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: Thats one car you fool. Name all the other Lotus cars THAT DOES NOT have an engine built by Toyota or was not built with Toyota parts.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
They used 1800 Rover K-series engines before that. In the 2005 Lotus I drive they use the Toyota Celica engine. That I brought back with me from England. We also had the 3.5litre bi turbo Lotus Esprit in England. The last one off the line in 2001. Its coming back next year or 2013. not quite sure.. I do not see where any of this gives you any reason to discredit Lotus, me or anything at all.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: Lotus cars are designed by Lotus but built with Toyota parts. By your ignorant definition, that makes it a kit car.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@Janusha: i'm not discrediting Lotus. I love Lotus. I'm discrediting your ignorant definition of the term "kit car".
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@Janusha
Sorry to disappoint but MUCH of Koenigsegg's development is base WHOLLY on Ford.
philonetic 6 months ago
@Janusha
Previous Koenigsegg models were powered by Ford Modular V8 engines sourced from the U.S. Though also based on the Ford Modular architecture the engine of the CCX was thoroughly re-engineered by Koenigsegg themselves and is assembled at the Koenigsegg factory. Cima made their gearbox and clutch system. The 2011 CCX is the first 100% Koenigsegg car, though still largely based on Ford architecture. I see you don't like Americans but what has your country made?
philonetic 6 months ago
@philonetic
Where the hell do you get this ridiculous bullshit from ? Some american motor press ? This is all complete and utter bullshit. Koenigsggs cannot be BASED on any car because its all carbon monocoque. There is no spaceframe or any type of frame holding it together at all except large pieces of carbon assembled in Sweden where Ive been several times. Their engine is built to their specifications and is supplied by an english F1 supplier. The same one that makes Bugattis engines.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha; And speaking of Bugatti. The Veyrons are kit cars to, judging by YOUR definition of the word since Bugatti doesn't manufacture all their own parts either.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
What part would that be? Even the tyres on a Veyron is made specifically for the Veyron. So what is this... Some international bullshit project where you get to lash out in anger at the wide selection of the worlds finest vehicles simply because your own business cannot compete and you have an inferiority complex ? Is it SO unthinkable that USA isnt best in everything ? Infact name some good US built cars.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: Almost everything under the bonnet of a Veyron is Volkswagen. And secondly, I never claimed the USA is the best at everything. You are the one who is flagwaving for Europe.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
I have an idea though, take your non-mature debating ignorant trolling ass somewhere else where people actually care what your angry hate-mongering self has to say, k?
philonetic 6 months ago
@Janusha
Sorry that your "friends at Koenigsegg" didn't give you the heads up. lol. Delusions of grandeur. You want ME to do research yet you claimed Tesla was Euro, good job.
philonetic 6 months ago
@philonetic
I dont "claim" tesla is European. Im saying its designed and built 100% at the Hethel factory in England. Which is Lotuses own headquarters. They simply called Lotus and ordered an electric car. Its not Teslas own design or tech. Then the cars are shipped to California where they insert the battery and engine so they can CLAIM its american built. That way they qualify for Obamas tech funds and California green energy funds. Its a business venture. Not a car manufacturer.
Janusha 6 months ago
Here in Teslas own words = Tesla intends to sell the current version of the Roadster until early 2012, when its supply of Lotus Elise bases is expected to run out, as its contract with Lotus Cars for 2,400 cars expires at the end of 2011. The next generation is not expected to be introduced until at least 2013.
This took me 10 seconds to find. If you were at all intereseted in facts.. you could too.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: Its like I said, in your own ignorant views. A Tesla isn't an american car because of its brittish influence. But a Lotus with Japanese parts under the hood/bonnet is european. So how can you sit there and act like you are not biased???
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1: I dont care what company uses whatever parts. I don't go around calling cars "kit cars" just because they didn't manufacture their own parts. LIKE YOU DO.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@Janusha: So let me get this straight. Tesla aren't american cars. But Lotus with Japanese mecahincal parts are british cars??? Oh please, stop exposing your ignorance over the internet constantly.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Im just saying the Tesla is just a redressed Lotus. If you want to think Lotuses arent Lotuses due to what cigarette lighter they use or what engine they chose to have... Well.. thats entirely your words.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha
Tesla was founded in San Carlos, California, and opened it's first retail store in West Los Angeles in April 2008, and another in Menlo Park. In 2010 the European factory was completed and right-hand drive cars were produced. Their first showroom was made in New York in 2009. They do sell Li-ion batteries out of the California facility to Toyota, Daimler, and Smart, etc. Lotus builds their Tesla designed(in Cali) chassis on contract, France builds the carbon fiber panels, that's it.
philonetic 6 months ago
@philonetic
I know Tesla is an american company. Im just telling you they are businessmen. not car builders. The car is ordered from Lotus and built in England and the battery and electric engine comes from somewhere else. They dont actually BUILD anything themselves. And yes... carbonfibre body panels are from France. So you finally bothered to look up what I have been saying all along then. Now go and look up those ridiculous claims of Koenigsegg being a god damn Ford.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha
You're hopeless. Do some real research.
philonetic 6 months ago
@philonetic
I dont have to... I visit their factories. Koenigsegg, Lamborghini, Lotus, Ferrari, Pagani. Where the hell do you get this ridiculous Koenigsegg / Ford rubbish from ? If you are to believe american motor press then Lamborghini built the Vipers engine. The Mercedes SLS AMG is really the next gen Viper stolen from Chrysler. America really won 4 times in a row with the "all american" Ford GT40, the new Ford GT is an all american car.... All myths, wild claims and bold lies.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: So is that the reason why we've been kicking Europe's ass on the race track this year? Because we only care about top speed and burnouts? Once again I see you failed to do simple research again. And also. This time, SSC is not only going to break the record that Kit-Car Veyron ss posted. But the Tuatara is also going to the Nurburgring, heck, its already been on TV. SSC isn't going anywhere, they've even just recently expanded. So looks like your prayers did not work.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Americans... always when they want to make a supercar, weld together a steel tubular chassis as seen in racecars since the 60s, put in a huge, cheap engine and fit premade raceparts usually from corvette racing teams and wohoo.. Shout BEST IN THE WOOORLD, sell 20 cars and go bankrupt. Corvettes and the next Vipers have already announced they arent going into supercar market with their next lineup. instead approaches their LeMans raceteams to make racecars with numberplates.
Janusha 6 months ago
So will they be fast? Ofcourse... speed is the easy part. Racecars do it every day. And its a hell of a lot cheaper than developing new supercar tech. SSC Can claim all they want. Lets save the flagwaving til someone actually roadtests it shall we. Speed is a decission. not an achievement. they did 3 times those speeds at Bonneville 20 years ago. So what. Supercars are about superior craftsmanship, the latest tech and styling. USA never matched even BMW for quality regardless of top speeds.
Janusha 6 months ago
When it comes to supercars... Mclaren, Lotus made composite material vehicles 40 years ago. Paddleshift, dualclutch, millisecond gearing is already old news, Kinetic recovery system, venturi channels, midengined layout has been done since the 70s. Active aero, brake steer, carbon monocell, All these are things america still hasnt done. And the dilemma is. With americans and their pride. Now you cant do it. Because how would it look if american cars were caught copying Europeans.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: Ofcourse. Why would Corvettes and Vipers be supercars?? We choose to kick Europe's ass at a 1/3 3rd of the price. And secondly, there is nothing at all cheap about a Corvette engine thats been proven bullet proof on a race course.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Hahaha yeah bullitproof because its the only one you still use. So how could it NOT be best. Its not like you guys would ever try a Lambo or Aston martin engine. Infact the US racing community went together and made a "best engine in the woooorld award" and the award went to.... The Corvette engine. Because they never tested anything that was not american. And people like yourself eat all this rubbish and quote it like conclusive evidence. Its freakshow funny to me.
Janusha 6 months ago
Bottom line is... America dont produce supercars because they are unable to... Not unable to do it technically. Hell USA put 2 more or less working cars on Mars and 1 on the moon. There is no reason to fail at cars on this planet. But there are no facilities, tradition or expertise in all of US car business to establish supercar tech and quality. And more importantly, there is no investment. Investors dont BELIEVE in the projects. So they never happen.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: Lamborghini and aston martin engines doesn't come with any kind of decent warranty. Corvette engines comes with a 5 year / 100,000 mile warranty and its not voided if you use the launch control. Secondly, corvette engines continue to pass critical endurance testing with ease, often 300+ hours of redline dyno testing before they decide to put their engine into production. I'm not saying we automatically make the worlds best engines, but we defintely make some of the best engines.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Corvettes come with a long warranty because they dont really have alot of buildquality and they really arent selling any cars these days. Porsche sells 12 times more cars. Also many car makers offer the exact same warranty. If you really need to look at the god damn warranty to find a positive side to the US car industry then its worse than i thought. You have NO IDEA what other engines go through in testing. As an american you look at america only and shout BEST IN THE WOOORLD !!!!
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: Since when have I told your ignorant ass that america = BEST IN THE WORLD!!?? Secondly. How can a manufacturer give you a big warranty on something that doesn't have great build quality?? Wouldn't a company lose money on it?? I mean seriously. How stupid are you? You should at least think before you type.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Business hasnt really been GMs strongest point lately has it. Will you perhaps tell me they are best in the woooorld at quality aswell now ? Most american cars today... especially GMs are built in Mexico, Brazil, Asia and most GMs are rebadged Korean Daewoo. GM is big in China now because of Obama threatening to tax chinese goods into USA if they dont get special treatment over there. GMs plan is to soon start shipping Chinese squeeky plastic GMs back to USA. So much for US cars.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: GM's business hasn't been its strongest point lately? So is that the reason why for the first time in decades they have been outselling Ford here in the U.S. this year? I guess your logic is backwards. Secondly, I don't care where they build their cars or who builds them or even where the materials come from. I'm not prejudice like you have proven yourself to be.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
So you dont care at all that they took their 50 billion out of the 100 billion bailout money and effectively fled the country then? Leaving behind 90 factories in Michigan that taxpayers had to pay another billion to clean out now that it was government owned. While their bosses have private jets and moviestar lifestyles ? Moving the core of the US industry to fucking third world shitholes leaving hundreds of thousands unemployed. Aslong as you can keep waving that flag for US cars?
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: So they fled the country huh? lol Look. Business is business. You do what you have to do to keep going. If its cheaper for them to build cars on Mars or the moon I wouldn't care. The reason why I feel that way is because GM is a budget car company. If it wasn't for companies like Ford, Chrysler, GM, and Toyota. Most of us Americans would be on bicycles. Because Mercedes, BMW, and Porsche sure as hell don't build budget cars.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Exactly.. its a budget car company. So why do you guys believe and expect them to be as good as BMW, Mercedes, hell even Ferrari ? you pretty much get what you pay for. A dollar is still a dollar to you guys but you should know over here, its worth half what it used to be. So OBVIOUSLY when you buy imports, its going to cost more now days. But whats this pride in occupying the cheapass end of the market? Made in fucking china, squeeky plastic. Why not step it up just ONCE.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: Obviously not every single car they build is a budget car. But they are obviously a majority budget car company. Secondly, I've never been in any car that didn't have some plastic in it. And I've been in lots of BMWs and Mercedes. And thirdly. Who the hell said that they are the best in the world over them??? How can you even tell which company is better than the other when they have different goals?
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
There is nothing wrong with plastic in itself... But name one GM that isnt a budget car.
Janusha 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Its funny how flagwaving bewildered nutcases like you go all quiet when I tell them to name these amazing ameican cars that you are shouting on behalf of. If you could name just a couple of american built, internationally competitive vehicles, then you would actually have an arguement instead of just spitting hate and waving that flag in everybodys face.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: I have named cars to you in the past you piece of shit. You just have proven yourself ignorant beyond belief. What the hell am I flagwaving for if some of my favorite cars aren't even American?? You are to the point now where you don't even make sense, Secondly. YOU name some Norweigan supercars. Can you name a couple or any at all???
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
The difference is... And its not an insignificant difference. Is that my country... dont CLAIM to build supercars any more than we build supercars. Im not on some singular quest to discredit US cars or america in general. I just find it weird how frantic flagwaving, wild claims, bold lies and myths seems to be the fundation for your car knowledge. Today in light of recent apocalyptic failures, I understand its a sore topic but for fucks sakes. CLAIMING shit doesnt change the facts.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: Claims?? What claims have we made that we didn't do?? What are these wild myths? Your country hasn't claim anything because you simply cant. Your country has done nothing to better this world. The only reason why you even exist is because of what others have brought.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Haha you people... The naivety, narcissism and illusions of grandeour that no amount of squeeky plastic or bankruptcies can shake.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: I knew you couldn't answer those questions. But anyway. You come from a country that has done nothing and will never amount to anything. So in my opinion, your opinions about this country means nothing to me.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Its not t hat I cant answer... This is what I do... However with you... Ive done it so many times and I just dont know where to start. Nor can i muster the testicular fortitude to endure this staggering naivety for for much longer. You see this is like religion for you. Its about having faith and believing. Perhaps you think its all gonna be fine aslong as you believe in it hard enough. Or aslong as you can "beat" me at word play, then your car business will spring back to life.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: I'm just here to help you keep exposing your ignorance. Anytime I find you talking trash on a video. I'm gonna call you out on it and just let everyone see how ignorant you are.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@Janusha: I'm not trying to win a war of words with you. I just enjoy helping you expose yourself. What is it that you have against the U.S anyway. Its like you are jealous or something because this is definitely more than just cars. What are you jealous of our gas prices? Or are you mad at the fact that General George Washington kicked the living crap out of those brits that tried to invade us in the late 1700s? I mean what is it really??????
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Oh there we go with nationalism.
Its not hard. Just tell me the names of these amazing internationally successful american built vehicles so that I can look them up. Then you might just have an arguement. Surely thats easy. There are after all hundreds of European / Japanese cars that sell in all countries and are commercial successes and are quality products. I mean... Im just asking for 2-3 names. I mean.. There must be some. Otherwise... What the hell are you shouting about ?
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: Who went and wrote some law that a car has to be "INTERNATIONALLY GREAT". in order for it to be a successful?? Where are you getting this from? But anyway. I no longer answer your questions because I don't respect you. You are a well known ignorant piece of trash. And I'm only to help you expose yourself.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Yes Im well known. Which is why people search for my comments just to attack. But not for my "stupid" answers.
So there are no internationally competitive american built vehicles on the world market then... So whats all this shouting for? You just dont like me saying it ? Truth is entirely secondary with you flagwavers isnt it. You are more concerned with some foreigner telling you things you dont like to hear. therefore Im anti american. At what point does it get embarrassing.
Janusha 6 months ago
Haha "Who went and wrote some law that a car has to be great" Exactly this attitude towards quality is what Im talking about. This... Exactly this is why america will never focus on quality vehicles. Tell me.. whats with this pride in occupying the cheapass end of the market anyway ?
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: Thats not what I said. Please learn to read. Porsche doesn't sell as well as Corvettes, mustangs, or Camaros here in the states. Does that mean that Porsches aren't great cars?? Once again by your own ignorant logic in your very own opinion Porsches arent quality cars as well. You say we don't have any internationally competitive vehicles? Well ask Porsche, Ferrari, and BMW that when the Corvettes kicked their ass at the 24 hours of France race.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Dude... Porsches business model is, like their cars, infinitly more modern and developed. Which is why they have 23 different models of the 911 currently available. They have cars from entry level sportscars to SUVs and luxury saloons to the most raced up barely legal monsters. And if that isnt enough.. How about a 1200hp Porsche 9FF. Porsche sells 120 000 cars a year. Dont even think Corvette can match a tenth of that.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: And just like I said. HERE IN AMERICA, Corvettes outsell Porsches. So by your own logic, they are not good. We already have a car that can take on pretty much every Porsche model. The Ford Mustang boss 302 LS can take out all those Caymans and boxters, the corvette ZR-1 can take out some of those 911s and 997s. The Saleen S7 can take them all out except for the 9ff GT9. One of my personal favorite Porsche models.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Take out ? Whats with you people.. Always talking about SMOKE, KILL, RAPE as if there is a god damn war going on. A lower end Porsche is a lower end porsche. That means they didnt aim at making it fastest in the world and failed. They are making cars for all segments. You people just DO not understand this. This is exactly the reason you guys use enormous engines. To focus on all that brute force and forget the complete lack of other capabilities because force is all you can see.
Janusha 6 months ago
The Saleen S7 doesnt actually exsist as a brand does it. As a single car, yes. But not as a competitive brand. Its just a thinly disguised racecar with numberplates that sold only a handful of cars and went bankrupt 7 years ago. Porsche sold over 21000 cars in USA so far this year. 12,194 is the official number of Corvettes made last year. And thats americas ONLY performance car... and they cant even sell it outside america. Congratulations on this achievement.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: The Bugatti Veyron SS only has a production run of 30 cars. So by your logic it doesn't exist I guess and its not a competitively brand. Secondly. How is Saleen bankrupt when they are currently in business announcing their 2011 products?? Again, you are not making any sense. The only thing that happened to Saleen was that Steve Saleen left the company to start his own company. Which he has now successfully done. I wonder if you can do some basic reasearch to find out what it is.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@Janusha: "and they cant even sell it outside america. Congratulations on this achivement".
Yep. Just like Porsche can't sell high performance Porsche models here in the U.S.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@Janusha: Yeah "take out". As in out perform for half the money. You think a mustang with a solid rear axel was made to be the fastest anything?? We make enormous engines? Europe makes smaller engines THAT ARE HEAVIER than some of our bigger displacement engines. Does that make any sense?Actually it does if you know anything about engines. But I know for a fact you have no knowledge at all about engines anyway. What good is the smaller engine if its heavier than a bigger engine??????
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Saleen went bankrupt when Saleen himself left the company and started working somewhere else. Their new Raptor concept died along with it. Ask Google for "Saleen warranties null and void" They are today operating under new leadership and are back to tuning mustangs.. Which REALLY cant count as building cars can it. And didnt I just tell you that Porsche sold over 20 000 cars in USA this year. Which is more than Corvette. Again... Ask google.
Janusha 6 months ago
And if Mustangs solid rear axel makes them... less competitive... Tell me... Who the fuck forces them to use a solid rear axel ? How about keeping up with the tech and being competitive. There is no reason america DONT make good cars. Except their determination not to. The technology is out there for anyone. just buy a European supercar, take it apart, see what makes it so good and make something similar. The Japs have shamelessly copied for decades.
Janusha 6 months ago
This ridiculous ideas that american engines are somehow better and haha.. even lighter than smaller european engines is an american myth. Something you tell yourselves to feel good about american cars. infact the Viper engine is 323 kilos which is half the weight of my entire car. A 2005 Lotus Elise. The Lotus Esprit V8 on the other hand produces 525 hp and weighs 170 kilos. Which is half the weight of a Viper engine with 600 hp. So you are right... It doesnt make any sense. its just wrong.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: I'm talking about high performance Porsches you idiot. Not those cheap Porsches that doctors and lawyers buy. And secondly. I don't have to use google because I can walk right into their place of operation. And how are they bankrupt if you just said they are operating under new leadership? You are contradicting yourself. And I still see you have not found that company that Steve Saleen just started himself. Maybe in a year or 2 you will learn to read i guess and then you will know.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
Man just how dumb are you?? Looks like I gotta take you by the hand about engines as well. Not every engine is lighter you clown. But one eye popping example is the Corvette's LS7 7.0 engine which is lighter and more fuel efficient than BMW's 5.0 liter engine. Now. Can you tell me why? I know why. Its really a very simple answer why. Lets find out if you know the very basics about different types of engines. Go on. Explain to me why this 7.0 liter corvette engine is lighter.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Ill tell you why american engines are "more fuel efficient" the Corvette ZR1 forexample. Americans like to quote 28 mpg or whatever. Which is great compared to a Murchielago with 17. But this is best case scenario. Here a ZR1 is listed at 19 average. Because when you put your foot down you get 4. Then there is the fact that america uses different miles and different gallons. Colonial vs imperical measurements. So it translates back to american as 15 mpg which is pathetic.
Janusha 6 months ago
And why should I really care what Steve Saleen does... Bankrupt is bankrupt. I know they tune mustangs. So what. thats all americans ever do is tune Corvettes and Mustangs and recieve hero status for it. Like the legend Shelby that never actually built a single car. Saleen dont make cars. Because it went... bankrupt. You walk into their operations all you like. And count how many supercars they build.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: Any person with simple common sense knows that fuel economy is different depending on your driving habits. It doesn't matter if the car is german, japanese, american, or what ever. Automakers give you the information on what the car is capable of. The Veyron has been ranked as the worst fuel efficient car today eventhough its fuel economy claims is not the worst. Why? Because when you put your foot down in a Veyron and keep it down, you empty the entire fuel tank in under 6 minutes.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1: And Secondly. Steve Saleen isn't bankrupt? How can someone be bankrupt and start a new business at the same time? Its obviously you have no education at all if you can't even understand something as simple as this. Get off of your parent's farm, and go out and learn something.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Christ what a load of bullshit. I wont even bother to answer that fuel shit.
As for Saleen. His business went bankrupt and was taken over by MJ aquisitions. Search Google for "Saleen, MJ Acquisitions Scraps Warranty Coverage" They didnt continue the car building part. They sold off all the equipment and Saleen himself left the company and started another one. If you really gave a shit, you could find this info just as easily as me.. that dont give a shit.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: You see. The thing is. Your reading skills are so low that you don't even realize that I never doubted that Saleen inc was taken over by someone else. Who cares who it was taken over by if the business is still in business and doing what they've been doing for decades. Here is a hint about Steve Saleen. He left Saleen inc. to break his ties with Ford. His new automotive company is up and running. He is a major tuner now instead of just tunning Fords.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@Janusha: Why am I not surprised that you think that a european car retains its gas mileage rating even when the pedal is to the floor. lol. You my friend, are a complete and utter joke.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Like I said.. Saleen is out of business BUILDING CARS. they might still be fitting god damn blowers to god damn Mustangs. But that doesnt count towards building supercars now does it. Major tuner hahaha.. Why the fuck do tuneshops in USA recieve such hero status. Dont you people understand that this.. Is the main reason you guys dont have a supercar industry. Or a prestige car industry at all.
And about your fuel comment.. I never said anything remotely like that.
Janusha 6 months ago
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@V8Supercar1
Like I said.. Saleen is out of business BUILDING CARS. they might still be fitting god damn blowers to god damn Mustangs. But that doesnt count towards building supercars now does it. Major tuner hahaha.. Why the fuck do tuneshops in USA recieve such hero status. Dont you people understand that this.. Is the main reason you guys dont have a supercar industry. Or a prestige car industry at all.
And about your fuel comment.. I never said anything remotely like that.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: And by the way. SSC is developing their own engine this time for the Tuatara. A 1350HP 7.0 DOHC V8 with a 9000rpm rev limiter. A tripple disc clutch transmission with a paddle shift option.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Ill believe all that when I see it. When they actually build one.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: No you will not believe it when you see. Later next year, I cant wait to read all the excuses you will come up with against the Tuatara.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@philonetic: Yes he is hopeless. Just wait until the SSC Tuatara comes out later next year. I wanna see what excuses Janusha comes up with next.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@Janusha: Even though I love Lambos, If they are so much better. Then why can't their engines take much abuse. Over the past 3 years I have now witnessed at least 3 different Lambos that blew their motor's during competition. The Ultimate Aero's engines went through over 300 plus hours of redline testing before it went into production.
V8Supercar1 10 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Into production... They sold what.. 10-12 of them? Thats not production. Out of the tens of thousands of Lambos out there that may have been tuned to explosions by un-qualified tuneshops fitting twin turbos on Gallardos.
What american tuneshops should understand is that a Nissan GT-R, Lambo, Ferrari is already tuned by the factory. They arent enormous, lazy, huge engines that are built for tuneshops and after market modding. They should stick to tuning Corvettes and Mustangs.
Janusha 10 months ago
@Janusha: It doesn't matter what they sold in order for it to be a production car. It only matters what they built and put up for sale according to production car laws. Of course I'm not surprised you don't know this by now. And secondly I'm not talking about tuned Lambos. Those Lambos were bone stock.
V8Supercar1 10 months ago
@V8Supercar1
If I make a car in my garage... Is that a production car? how about if I make 2. Where is the limit ? There used to be a limit of 20-something car before you could call it a production car and enter a GT race with a GT-R version atleast. Altho many have gone around that by simply promising to make 20 but never actually doing it. Other than that... you may dislike the Lambo engines all you like. I dont see the relevance. Im certainly not going to discuss engines on single models.
Janusha 10 months ago
@Janusha: In order for a car to meet minimum production car status, you have to build and put up for sale atleast 25 cars. It doesn't matter what the actual sales figures are, nor does it matter where it was built. No one ever claimed the Aero to be a mass production car. But it is an actual production car that has met production car standards, and DOT standards.
V8Supercar1 10 months ago
@V8Supercar1
So the SSC Aero isnt an actual production car then... Which disqualifies it for fastest production car in the world. Which is probably why I never actually saw it listed in Guiness book of records. There is no way in hell they ever sold sold 25 cars. Atleast not in 2007 when they claimed the record. Its more realistic they built something like 12-15 of which 2 are prototypes. Obviously it meets standards or it wouldnt get licence plates. That doesnt validify it as a quality product.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: And who are you again? Who are you to decide whether or not a car is a production car or not? Your points are null and void because you are not a real car enthusiast. If you never actually saw it in the guiness book of world records, its probably because you can't read. Because I have verified it myself when I actually went to see the car in person I saw OFFICIAL documents. But someone like you rely on others for information. So in my opinion YOU ARE A NOBODY.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
I dont decide anything... You told me yourself they need to make 25 cars or it isnt a "production" vehicle. They didnt make 25 of them becuse nobody actually bought an SSC Aero. Ill make you an official document too.. One that says FUCK OFF on it. Its not my fault that your otherwise fine nation is unable to build cars.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: Unfortunately you are an illiterate, because if you could actually do simple research. You would have found out that you don't need to build 25 cars anymore for your car to called an official production car.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Oh so they changed the "rules" for the SSC Aero then. Or for all american supercars because none of them sold more than 25 ?
Bullshitter.
Janusha 6 months ago
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V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@Janusha: And I'm not finished with you on this subject. Answer this. Do you consider Lotus cars to be european cars? Very simple question.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Lotus has pioneered sportscars and racing in UK car history. Just like US cars, there were times of trouble and many got sold off or went bankrupt. But none of the production ever went to asia like todays GMs. The cars are still built on Colin Chapmans ideas of power adds speed while lightness improves all aspects of a car. Just like Jaguar, Aston Martin, Bentley... being owned by foreign corporations doesnt change that its built, designed, marketed and sold as a british car.
Janusha 6 months ago
lol. Its not just american rules you idiot. Man you are so stupid.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
No its NOT just an american rule. To qualify for "production car" you need to have made a set number of vehicles in all countries. Or anyone could make a car and claim whatever they like.
Janusha 6 months ago
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@Janusha: Okay. So how is a Lotus a european car when it was built with Japanese parts?
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
You are oficcially too dumb to bother with. But I guess that was your goal. To annoy me to quit.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: "No its NOT just an american rule. To qualify for "production car" you need to have made a set number of vehicles in all countries. Or anyone could make a car and claim whatever they like."
lol. Wow, you are a complete joke. I just told you there is no minimum requirement as for as number of cars you build anymore. Where is your proof that says other wise?????
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
Haha you people.. Keep waving that flag.
Janusha 6 months ago
@Janusha: You are just jealous that you dont even have a flag to wave. lol
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@Janusha: I can't wait to hear your pathetic whining again next year when the SSC Tuatara releases. And it takes down the Bugatti AGAIN. I was actually surprised that Volkswagen admitted in Top Gear magazine that the only reason why the Veyron ss was even built was to get the top speed record back because of the Ultimate Aero.
V8Supercar1 6 months ago
@V8Supercar1
You must get different top gear magazines than I get then... Is it really so weird that the last of the production line becomes a special edition ? EVERY single Euro supercar does that. The SSC aero was only ever a fast kit-car. And that reflects americas view on the whole performance issue. To you guys burnouts and top speeds is all that matters. And since you can do that in a tuned Mustang, a supercar has always been seen as a waste of money. Speed on its own is cheap.
Janusha 6 months ago
Racecars, dragsters have done it since the 60s. Porsche, Lambo, Ferrari all started doing 200 mph in the 80s and dont go any faster today because speeds beyond that are purely theoretical. Bugattis arent best in the world because they have 1000 hp or because of its top speed. its the best vehicle in the world because its the automotive technological achievement of our generation. Build quality, tech, handling, styling, craftsmanship. These are areas where america has a lot of catching up to do.
Janusha 6 months ago
Not to be a dick or anything but you need to fix your description. its worlds fastest production vehicle
xRaynFirex 11 months ago 3
@xRaynFirex It was the world's fastest car in December 2009, that's what that meant. I don't consider those "rocket things" cars.
XxNaSaHxX 11 months ago
@XxNaSaHxX I see what you mean
xRaynFirex 8 months ago
@xRaynFirex
Bugatti is worlds fastest car.
This one is worlds fastest kitcar.
Janusha 10 months ago
@xRaynFirex isnt the Bugatti super sport the faster production car at the moment
sylvaticalexpro 8 months ago
@sylvaticalexpro Yes it is, but i was just letting him know that the Aero isnt "the fastest car" I was telling him to change it to worlds fastest "production" car because at the time he posted it was true but ofcourse not the bugatti ss is now on top
xRaynFirex 8 months ago
the performance power ford gt is probably still faster...but this fucker looks SICK!!!
iragekao 1 year ago
@iragekao this is faster than the gt, this car is just built for speed
shizzel122 1 year ago
@shizzel122 not the "performance power ford gt"...it has twin turbo v8 @ 1500+
iragekao 1 year ago
holly shit !!! sweet
akidevil 1 year ago