i don't know anything about this particular door, but i have put a .22 and .380 round through a 94 t bird door. both went through, ball ammo. what does this prove?
Shot 8 small lantern style propane tanks all lined up with some 5.56 m33 green tip penetrator rounds. Ripped them to shreads leaving a shotgun type blast in the back tank and cleaned a bit of the foliage in every direction around them sawing down 1 inch trees. Love my mini 14. Tried to turn it tactical. Epic fail. Buy it factory. Check out my video about it if you want
yes newbs. all 580 and beyond serial number mini's are fitted to take 556. Basically a mini made after 2005 is 556/223 compliant. breast penis breast breast penis nipple etc etc etc.
We tested my friends AR-15 against a piece of 1/4" plate steel. Put a hole right through it like swiss cheese. Wouldnt penetrate the 1/2" plate though.
@bikerD15 it's a fucking mustake, is your life soo boring or don't you have any friends? almost feel sorry for you... make these useless comments. Your life fails. BIG TIME
@keesurt wow your on a roll, please keep going... Just know that crap from a supposed 34yr old doesn't make me feel bad, but if i helps you, be my guest. Everyone needs to vent at some point.
@keesurt that round in his hand is not a .223 or 5.56 unless he is a midget. that is a .308 for sure, Atleast the round was. I agree with you 10000000%
@keesurt your a dumbass for sure. the title said its a .223, the entrance hole was way to small for a .308 and he holds the round up to the door and its obviously a .223. derp!
ounce saw an old video( NRA or guns n ammo) that showed various tests to show the public the difference between hollywood and reality. in it the 5.56 and 7.62x39 didn't do well against car doors.
the 7.62x51 was the best. the cars used were from the 70's, might have something to do with it.
The hole is so small because the bullet went straight through. It performs differently on a hard, plyable object, like a car door, then it would on a softer, more fluid object, like a human body or ballistics jell.
Rifle vs. pistol so yeah they're very different. .223 is about 3x the velocity, 3x the energy, a bit more momentum, tends to fragment on impact, much flatter trajectory and much more range.
umm no.... kinetic energy is half of the product of mass and squared velocity. KE=1/2MV^2
If you are trying to calc the KE in Ft-lbs, using Grains and Ft/sec, you can short cut and just divide MV^2 by 450,240. But that is still not KE=MV^2 either.
@GrayGooFTW The only question I've yet to solve is just where the hell 450,240(I've seen the same formula but with 450,400) come from. I've looked in Reloading Manuals, Online, in my Gunsmith Books...nada
@1guncrazy1 This confused me for a while too. For the units of energy to be our familiar lb*ft we need bullet mass in the correct units. There are 7000 grains/lb, but pounds are actually a force, not a mass. The seldom used English unit for mass is the slug. There are 32.174 pounds per slug, so to get grains to slugs, you take grains/(7000(gr/lb)*32.174(lb/slug)) or grains/225218. Multiply by the 1/2 in the expression, and you get mass*velocity^2 / 450436.
@ragehammer45 I'm still pretty lost on your conversions but then again I do better wrtting this kind of thing down and working it out a step at a time. The formula I found before I learned the one we both described was KE=1/2Mass*Velocity squared/G(force of gravity)but I was always missing something to make it work out. Do you have a website that shows each conversion written out long hand?
Yes. Those rare calibers always are expensive. If you want to get a mini14 that you can shoot cheap get the one in 7.62x39mm. that ammo is really cheap.
what caliber does a 223 become? My 00' buck shots are 33caliber pellets each if im correct. What would a 223 translate to? 23? I dont know much about rifles...
They're not the same round. 5.56mm rifles can shoot .223 cal but not as accurately as a rifle chambered for .223 will. also it's a bad idea to shoot 5.56 nato in a rifle chambered for .223. big differences in pressure will wear out the .223 rifle
Not so much pressure but the brass is thicker. 5.56 brass is designed for tight chambers of service rifles and may not exspand properly in a .223 chamber. Another thing is case capacity, loads safe in .223 cases may not be safe in 5.56 case.
no there not.. look it up if they where the same round why wouldnt they sell 5.56x45 to civilians AND SO HELP ME GOD IF U MAKE ME look it up and copy and past the differences im gona shoot u with a .223 and a 5.56
@MrPitseleh yes bc if there having sells on 5.56 and you own any other .223 you cant shoot them , therefore you cant buy the cheaper ammo that still has good quality and the fact if shtf , or so to say somehitng drastic happens the army national guard and police will be fitted always with 5.56 carbine rifles.
@smith45acp The difference is the chamber specs, which are more generous for the military 5.56 chambering, to make the gun more reliable with dirty ammo etc. 223 chambers are tighter as a rule. Also the military ammo(5.56) is loaded hotter, and has thicker brass. Thus the specs for the 55 grain fmj is 3200fps in a 20" barrel. That's hot. But the mini was designed to take both interchangably. So designed for 5.56, and can take any commercial 223(lower pressure) as well.
i was considering a mini14 as a defensive weapons choice,i was debating between a shotgun or this mini 14. any recommendations and why you would recommend it woule be much appreciated.
That seems like two wildly different choices to me. The mini has: 1) way more range, 2) mags 3) all sorts of accessories 4) probably more costly to shoot in the long haul (price of rounds is way up these days). The shotgun is king at short ranges (0-20 yards) and has wide variety of choices of round type. Hard to know without knowing what you are looking for...
Well, generally, a shotgun "works best" but it really depends. Remember that everything is going to penetrate most walls. I'd really recommend reading the "tactical shotgun" (great book) on amazon. Check out our review of the book on our web page. Also check out the shotgun vs indoor wall videos we have online.
wow i had heard that buckshot loads get soaked up in walls and wont penetrate. but it obviously does. it seems like it would be alot easier to hit bystanders accidentally with a shotgun than it would with a firearm that fires single projectiles. but im bettin the .223 remington would go through a few walls before stopping.
if its only purpose is defense the shotgun may be the best choice. You can choose shells that will not penetrate every wall on the block. Also aim is not critical at household range! If you want an all around gun for plinking and maybe hunting in the future, and a good gun to be prepared in case a natural disaster hits your area like Katrina, where you only have yourself to rely on, then maybe the Mini is the best choice (large round capacity, maybe a little bit more intimidation factor).
Not suprised, most handgun calibers I'd say .38 Special and up for revolvers and 9mm and up for semi-autos can easily penatrate car bodies, let alone any centerfire rifle caliber.
Its about pressure, like if u had a pick ice with a thin end point it would go through, not a sledge, its the same with animals, a woman in stilettos applies more pressure than an elephants foot!
I agree, but you have to account for force as well. pressure is force per unit area, so yes a spike has a small area, but you need some min force behind it as well. Of course at this point, all we're doing is agreeing with each other ;-)
The video series is to see what does and does not go through the door. In this particular case, its interesting to see that one bullet went through in tact while the other had fragmented as it was exiting the second layer.
my friend had a neighbor who almost killed his sister, the guy made homemade 12 gauge slugs and his sister was about to take a shower, and the slug went right through the shower wall where her head was, while my friend locked himself outside, so thats why she is still alive..she went to answere the door, VERY LUCKY!
Well, if I got a different caliber than .223 it would definitely not be 6.8SPC, Its pathetic, it has maybe 20-40% more energy than the .223 until ur a few hundred yards away, if U want a good caliber, its the 6.5mm Grendel!!! It can retain more long-range energy than most 7.62x51s (.308s) 6.8=a non-solution to a non-problem, if U don't think that .223 will make some1 dead enough, use a 8gauge with slugs, or a 12.7x99mm(.50 BMG) LMFAO, Grendel is the best compromise tho.....
Nice video clip. I bought a Mini-14 .223 today. It's away getting a surpressor mounted as well as the trigger lightend. I'm using it to shoot mainly hares and bunnies. I own a Weatherby .204 with surpressor but still find it to loud. I'm looking forward to using the Mini-14.
Thats a very good demo for that caliber. Realistic situation. It does penetrate well, but I have heard people say that the .223 doesnt have lethal energies after penetrating material like this (walls as well). Have you heard this too?
I'm wondering what "lethal energies" ends up being after a car door. Probably could measure it with a watermelon behind the door, so maybe'll we'll drag that out next time if you're interested.
Also, I would definitely say that it has lethal capacity after penetrating a indoor wall (see our set of wall shots), based on how some of the other rounds performed.
Cuz I read in Guns and Ammo magazine that SWAT instructors and CQB instructors etc. recommend not using anything chambered in .223 when clearing houses. But I guess it depends on alot of variables too.
Actually I read just the opposite (I'll see if I can find the source). Seems for carbines at least, they're moving away from pistol rounds to .223 in M4-style carbines. The pistol rounds will hold together and keep traveling through walls while the .223 has a decent chance of tumbling and fragmenting and then quickly dispersing its energy. Not safe, but better.
I'd be curious what those instructors were recommending instead. Shotguns?
I think the only thing that's "safe" indoors is birdshot which will stop after a wall or two. Notice that in this video the first shot we point to cut cleanly through the second layer of steel while the second shot was already fragmented and tore nasty gash.
Birdshot is definitely one of the safest loads indoors (although not necessarily safe).
The stopping power website has a wall experiment. A 12 gauge with birdshot went through one indoor wall but was stopped by the second wall which acted as an outdoor wall. This was a lighter trap load, not a game load.
The reason they dont recommend it is because they want a round that can pass through the corner of a wall, etc and still be lethal enough to stop the enemy. Not for safety reasons.
The standard 55 grain slugs sold in the local Wal-Mart are not suited for drilling targets behind car doors. However, 5.56/.223 slugs in the 75 and 77 grain weights retain a lot of impact energy even after penetrating car doors or windshields.
I've read of the heavier bullets being less likely to fragment, too. The cartridges used in this video are Remington UMC 55 grain MC (aka FMJ). Clearly one shouldn't count on a truck door as cover from the 55 grain bullets or most other firearms as the other videos show.
i don't know anything about this particular door, but i have put a .22 and .380 round through a 94 t bird door. both went through, ball ammo. what does this prove?
1973timc 8 months ago
Shot 8 small lantern style propane tanks all lined up with some 5.56 m33 green tip penetrator rounds. Ripped them to shreads leaving a shotgun type blast in the back tank and cleaned a bit of the foliage in every direction around them sawing down 1 inch trees. Love my mini 14. Tried to turn it tactical. Epic fail. Buy it factory. Check out my video about it if you want
SasquatchIsAmerican 9 months ago
yes newbs. all 580 and beyond serial number mini's are fitted to take 556. Basically a mini made after 2005 is 556/223 compliant. breast penis breast breast penis nipple etc etc etc.
SupremeAmerican 1 year ago
for the people that dont know this the bullet went through the door and bounced of the dirt that is the clinging sound you heard
DogSoldier5000 1 year ago
GOT SS109 72 grains Special by BLACK HILL (VIETNAM)
Use that 1 u will know!
CharlieDoan 1 year ago
@CharlieDoan SS109 is same as M855 62 grain not 72. I realize it may have been a typo. Just setting it straight.
armedandready72 1 year ago
We tested my friends AR-15 against a piece of 1/4" plate steel. Put a hole right through it like swiss cheese. Wouldnt penetrate the 1/2" plate though.
Sodiumreactor 1 year ago
lol noobs thats a .223
lovesara850 1 year ago
that's a .308 for sure, you shot a mini thirty
keesurt 1 year ago
@keesurt Nope. Mini-14.
StoppingPowerInfo 1 year ago
@keesurt
The Mini-30 is chambered for 7.62x39, not 7.62x51 (.308). big difference between the two.
L0ENze1337 1 year ago
@keesurt mini- 30 doesn't fire .308, and even if it did that's not a .308 cartridge he's holding up to the hole.
agadhahab1 1 year ago
@agadhahab1 Right. Mini-14 = .223 ; Mini-30 = 7.62x39
StoppingPowerInfo 1 year ago
@agadhahab1 I know that, it was a mistake, haha everybody goes nuts on me:P
keesurt 1 year ago
@keesurt fail
bikerD15 1 year ago
@bikerD15 it's a fucking mustake, is your life soo boring or don't you have any friends? almost feel sorry for you... make these useless comments. Your life fails. BIG TIME
keesurt 1 year ago
@keesurt wow your on a roll, please keep going... Just know that crap from a supposed 34yr old doesn't make me feel bad, but if i helps you, be my guest. Everyone needs to vent at some point.
bikerD15 1 year ago
@keesurt the mini thirty is 7.62x39mm not .308 smart ass
MrGg345 1 year ago
@MrGg345 You are the smart ass, I made a mistake and said that in a later comment, stop crying bitch
keesurt 1 year ago
@keesurt fuck you queerbag i was just lettin you know needle dick
MrGg345 1 year ago
@MrGg345 by calling me a smart ass? do you talk to your mom like that?
keesurt 1 year ago
@keesurt that round in his hand is not a .223 or 5.56 unless he is a midget. that is a .308 for sure, Atleast the round was. I agree with you 10000000%
SasquatchIsAmerican 9 months ago
@SasquatchIsAmerican actually i dont know
SasquatchIsAmerican 9 months ago
@SasquatchIsAmerican It's just a pointing device :-)
StoppingPowerInfo 9 months ago
@StoppingPowerInfo all this controversy! so little time, so many haters
SasquatchIsAmerican 9 months ago
@keesurt your a dumbass for sure. the title said its a .223, the entrance hole was way to small for a .308 and he holds the round up to the door and its obviously a .223. derp!
JDSureshot9292 2 months ago
Small, but powerful, like a japanese dick.
fredjustsucks 1 year ago
@fredjustsucks LMFAO
ideasarebulletpr00f 1 year ago
Is the mini-14 best suited for .223 Remington or the higher pressure 5.56 Nato?
enjoythewildUSA 1 year ago
@enjoythewildUSA It says in the instruction manual that it can shoot both .223 and 5.56 NATO.
0102josh 1 year ago
.223 will go through a quarter inch plate steel like a knife through butter. Car doors don't stop much of anything.
55wmudea 1 year ago
those minis really pack a punch
rockonmyfriend 1 year ago
p3wnage
rockonmyfriend 1 year ago
ounce saw an old video( NRA or guns n ammo) that showed various tests to show the public the difference between hollywood and reality. in it the 5.56 and 7.62x39 didn't do well against car doors.
the 7.62x51 was the best. the cars used were from the 70's, might have something to do with it.
9998833 2 years ago
The hole is so small because the bullet went straight through. It performs differently on a hard, plyable object, like a car door, then it would on a softer, more fluid object, like a human body or ballistics jell.
Seijitsu0 2 years ago
The hole was so small LoL.
Voidere08 2 years ago
are you retarded
SPARTAN1T 2 years ago
no, you?
Voidere08 2 years ago
The bullet is only 22 hundredths of an inch in diameter. It is pretty small.
disturbedone5009 2 years ago
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Energy in FPE
Projectile weight in grain divided by 2, multiplied by the speed²
marcisgreatAA 2 years ago
does anyone know if these lightweight .223 rounds effectively compare to 9mm, or is this option basically just for long range purposes?
RRViper800TT 2 years ago
Rifle vs. pistol so yeah they're very different. .223 is about 3x the velocity, 3x the energy, a bit more momentum, tends to fragment on impact, much flatter trajectory and much more range.
bluesxman10 2 years ago
3× velocity is NOT 3× energy. More important for energy is projectile weight
marcisgreatAA 2 years ago
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mike51rs 2 years ago
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marcisgreatAA 2 years ago
no. energy=mass x velocity^2
spazzz64 2 years ago
umm no.... kinetic energy is half of the product of mass and squared velocity. KE=1/2MV^2
If you are trying to calc the KE in Ft-lbs, using Grains and Ft/sec, you can short cut and just divide MV^2 by 450,240. But that is still not KE=MV^2 either.
GrayGooFTW 2 years ago
ooohhh thanks for clearing that up for me man! now i won't look like a dumbass if i use that at a gun show or something. Thanks.
spazzz64 2 years ago
@GrayGooFTW The only question I've yet to solve is just where the hell 450,240(I've seen the same formula but with 450,400) come from. I've looked in Reloading Manuals, Online, in my Gunsmith Books...nada
1guncrazy1 1 year ago
@1guncrazy1 This confused me for a while too. For the units of energy to be our familiar lb*ft we need bullet mass in the correct units. There are 7000 grains/lb, but pounds are actually a force, not a mass. The seldom used English unit for mass is the slug. There are 32.174 pounds per slug, so to get grains to slugs, you take grains/(7000(gr/lb)*32.174(lb/slug)) or grains/225218. Multiply by the 1/2 in the expression, and you get mass*velocity^2 / 450436.
ragehammer45 1 year ago
@ragehammer45 I'm still pretty lost on your conversions but then again I do better wrtting this kind of thing down and working it out a step at a time. The formula I found before I learned the one we both described was KE=1/2Mass*Velocity squared/G(force of gravity)but I was always missing something to make it work out. Do you have a website that shows each conversion written out long hand?
1guncrazy1 1 year ago
@ragehammer45 can you work that problem out? I'm still confused
1guncrazy1 1 year ago
hot 9mm loads will give u about 400 ft pounds, a hot .223 load will give you about 1300 ft pounds. 9mm's poke holes, 223's create hydrostatic shock.
captainrichspicedrum 2 years ago 16
i have a savage .223 over under 12 gauge shotgun. it realling nice. good turkey combo
shootinshotguns 2 years ago
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mini 14 is a joke
yotedown09 2 years ago
yeah thats why its been on the boats in dday the jungles in vietnam and the arches of baghdad? just dont ever speak again...spare us
xraidedlok 2 years ago
Just make sure to find a rifle chambered for 5.56mm specifically and you'll be fine. You can feed it .223 all day. Just not the other way around.
killchain187 2 years ago
The mini 14 is chambered to take either round and is stamped so on the breech
brucestringbean 2 years ago 4
come on... i can do that with my .22
BombmakingAK 2 years ago
Yes. Those rare calibers always are expensive. If you want to get a mini14 that you can shoot cheap get the one in 7.62x39mm. that ammo is really cheap.
madeinamerica650 3 years ago
bullshit, .223 is less expensive then 7.62 and 223 is not rare at all
daf700 2 years ago
AND ITS BETTER!
JSCincorporated 2 years ago
Was that a FMJ??? or soft tip?
geneenos 3 years ago
FMJ
StoppingPowerInfo 3 years ago
what caliber does a 223 become? My 00' buck shots are 33caliber pellets each if im correct. What would a 223 translate to? 23? I dont know much about rifles...
12GaugeLosAngeles 3 years ago
.223 IS the caliber.
That's (theoretically) .003 larger than a .22
tlpbaps 3 years ago
As tlpbaps said, .223 is a caliber but in military terms it's a 5.56x45mm.
SARKEK 2 years ago
They're not the same round. 5.56mm rifles can shoot .223 cal but not as accurately as a rifle chambered for .223 will. also it's a bad idea to shoot 5.56 nato in a rifle chambered for .223. big differences in pressure will wear out the .223 rifle
smith45acp 2 years ago 14
its the other way around
jw9626 2 years ago
Response to: "smith45acp"
True. due to differences in grain count for the casing. usualy a 15-25 grain diff, so remember as the warning of remington says use the proper ammo.
SARKEK 2 years ago
ar15's can shoot 556, they were designed to sell as a civilian m16
spazzz64 2 years ago
Not so much pressure but the brass is thicker. 5.56 brass is designed for tight chambers of service rifles and may not exspand properly in a .223 chamber. Another thing is case capacity, loads safe in .223 cases may not be safe in 5.56 case.
klesmer 2 years ago 2
no there not.. look it up if they where the same round why wouldnt they sell 5.56x45 to civilians AND SO HELP ME GOD IF U MAKE ME look it up and copy and past the differences im gona shoot u with a .223 and a 5.56
JSCincorporated 2 years ago
@smith45acp true,true, but the mini 14 is actually manufactured to shoot both .223 and 5.56....
McOrca09 1 year ago
@McOrca09 Which is better?
MrPitseleh 1 year ago
@MrPitseleh yes bc if there having sells on 5.56 and you own any other .223 you cant shoot them , therefore you cant buy the cheaper ammo that still has good quality and the fact if shtf , or so to say somehitng drastic happens the army national guard and police will be fitted always with 5.56 carbine rifles.
McOrca09 1 year ago
@smith45acp The difference is the chamber specs, which are more generous for the military 5.56 chambering, to make the gun more reliable with dirty ammo etc. 223 chambers are tighter as a rule. Also the military ammo(5.56) is loaded hotter, and has thicker brass. Thus the specs for the 55 grain fmj is 3200fps in a 20" barrel. That's hot. But the mini was designed to take both interchangably. So designed for 5.56, and can take any commercial 223(lower pressure) as well.
jgreystoke 1 year ago
@smith45acp That is true for most rifles. But the Ruger mini-14 is designed to also take the 5.56 nato.
Nordiclegion 1 year ago
@smith45acp Many .223 rifles will shoot a 5.56 as well, but first read in your manual to verify..
danielgoats 10 months ago
.223 zips through several car doors
deathproof187 3 years ago
Looks BIG 223? or mini hands
tomandlupe 3 years ago 2
Normal size .223 at any rate ;-)
StoppingPowerInfo 3 years ago
zoomed in mabey
xXsiLeNtXkILLzXx 3 years ago
Is that a mini 30? The bullet looks like a .308
07mantle07 3 years ago
It is a .223 cartridge.
StoppingPowerInfo 3 years ago
a mini 30 is 7.62x39..... and it was clearly a .223!
billson556 3 years ago 2
if you really wanted to test your accuracy i would have tried hitting that piece of wood holding the door up lol
reaperflynn3 3 years ago
We weren't testing accuracy ;-)
StoppingPowerInfo 3 years ago
i was considering a mini14 as a defensive weapons choice,i was debating between a shotgun or this mini 14. any recommendations and why you would recommend it woule be much appreciated.
2nmdritbtch 3 years ago
That seems like two wildly different choices to me. The mini has: 1) way more range, 2) mags 3) all sorts of accessories 4) probably more costly to shoot in the long haul (price of rounds is way up these days). The shotgun is king at short ranges (0-20 yards) and has wide variety of choices of round type. Hard to know without knowing what you are looking for...
StoppingPowerInfo 3 years ago
i was looking for i firearm that is ideal for home defense.
2nmdritbtch 3 years ago
Well, generally, a shotgun "works best" but it really depends. Remember that everything is going to penetrate most walls. I'd really recommend reading the "tactical shotgun" (great book) on amazon. Check out our review of the book on our web page. Also check out the shotgun vs indoor wall videos we have online.
StoppingPowerInfo 3 years ago
wow i had heard that buckshot loads get soaked up in walls and wont penetrate. but it obviously does. it seems like it would be alot easier to hit bystanders accidentally with a shotgun than it would with a firearm that fires single projectiles. but im bettin the .223 remington would go through a few walls before stopping.
2nmdritbtch 3 years ago
Yeah, I think we have .308 on there. Not sure we had the .223 when we did those tests, but check out the tile tests for comparison to .308.
StoppingPowerInfo 3 years ago
if its only purpose is defense the shotgun may be the best choice. You can choose shells that will not penetrate every wall on the block. Also aim is not critical at household range! If you want an all around gun for plinking and maybe hunting in the future, and a good gun to be prepared in case a natural disaster hits your area like Katrina, where you only have yourself to rely on, then maybe the Mini is the best choice (large round capacity, maybe a little bit more intimidation factor).
PrinceMustDie666 3 years ago
the exit hole on that car door is very impressive for such a small diameter bullet
(.22 caliber).
2nmdritbtch 3 years ago
Yeah, we think it tumbled upon hitting/penetrating the outer "skin" of the car door. This is what the .223 is designed to do.
StoppingPowerInfo 3 years ago
Not suprised, most handgun calibers I'd say .38 Special and up for revolvers and 9mm and up for semi-autos can easily penatrate car bodies, let alone any centerfire rifle caliber.
chrismc410 3 years ago
You could push a spike thro it, it doesnt take much force thats all!
phoenix1916 3 years ago
Actually it does take a fair bit of force and it depends on how it's applied. Check out the version we did with the sledgehammer :-)
StoppingPowerInfo 3 years ago
Its about pressure, like if u had a pick ice with a thin end point it would go through, not a sledge, its the same with animals, a woman in stilettos applies more pressure than an elephants foot!
phoenix1916 3 years ago
I agree, but you have to account for force as well. pressure is force per unit area, so yes a spike has a small area, but you need some min force behind it as well. Of course at this point, all we're doing is agreeing with each other ;-)
StoppingPowerInfo 3 years ago
Dido!!!
phoenix1916 3 years ago
he sure showed that truck door a thing or two.
PrinceMustDie666 3 years ago
Big deal a car door, my .222 can go through quarter inch steel plate at 100 yards
phoenix1916 4 years ago
The video series is to see what does and does not go through the door. In this particular case, its interesting to see that one bullet went through in tact while the other had fragmented as it was exiting the second layer.
bluesxman10 4 years ago
ok.....
phoenix1916 4 years ago
woopdiedoo if yours can anyone else with a .222 can go through quarter inch of steel at 100 yards
shadey101 3 years ago
That would be correct, now have u a point, or are u just another smart arse
phoenix1916 3 years ago
yea, and a 300 win mag can probobly go through 5 times that...whats your point??
ksalmi72 3 years ago
my friend had a neighbor who almost killed his sister, the guy made homemade 12 gauge slugs and his sister was about to take a shower, and the slug went right through the shower wall where her head was, while my friend locked himself outside, so thats why she is still alive..she went to answere the door, VERY LUCKY!
trvmcintosh 4 years ago
was she naked?
allnametaken 3 years ago
5.56 under rated
jers1323 4 years ago
There's a couple of things you could mean by that. So what do you mean? ;-)
StoppingPowerInfo 4 years ago
He means that if U can't kill it with a .223 (5.56x45mm) then its NOT THE RIFLE!!! ^_^
billson556 4 years ago 3
YAY! Props to you mate!
enterthewalrus 4 years ago
If you like that, y'all should get a mini 6.8!
T850CSM101a1676 4 years ago
Yeah, we've been wondering about that...
StoppingPowerInfo 4 years ago
Well, if I got a different caliber than .223 it would definitely not be 6.8SPC, Its pathetic, it has maybe 20-40% more energy than the .223 until ur a few hundred yards away, if U want a good caliber, its the 6.5mm Grendel!!! It can retain more long-range energy than most 7.62x51s (.308s) 6.8=a non-solution to a non-problem, if U don't think that .223 will make some1 dead enough, use a 8gauge with slugs, or a 12.7x99mm(.50 BMG) LMFAO, Grendel is the best compromise tho.....
billson556 4 years ago
Nice video clip. I bought a Mini-14 .223 today. It's away getting a surpressor mounted as well as the trigger lightend. I'm using it to shoot mainly hares and bunnies. I own a Weatherby .204 with surpressor but still find it to loud. I'm looking forward to using the Mini-14.
pete401 4 years ago
I'll be curious how loud it is when you get that back.
StoppingPowerInfo 4 years ago
Thats a very good demo for that caliber. Realistic situation. It does penetrate well, but I have heard people say that the .223 doesnt have lethal energies after penetrating material like this (walls as well). Have you heard this too?
gandb21 4 years ago
I'm wondering what "lethal energies" ends up being after a car door. Probably could measure it with a watermelon behind the door, so maybe'll we'll drag that out next time if you're interested.
StoppingPowerInfo 4 years ago
Also, I would definitely say that it has lethal capacity after penetrating a indoor wall (see our set of wall shots), based on how some of the other rounds performed.
StoppingPowerInfo 4 years ago
Cuz I read in Guns and Ammo magazine that SWAT instructors and CQB instructors etc. recommend not using anything chambered in .223 when clearing houses. But I guess it depends on alot of variables too.
gandb21 4 years ago
Actually I read just the opposite (I'll see if I can find the source). Seems for carbines at least, they're moving away from pistol rounds to .223 in M4-style carbines. The pistol rounds will hold together and keep traveling through walls while the .223 has a decent chance of tumbling and fragmenting and then quickly dispersing its energy. Not safe, but better.
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bluesxman10 4 years ago
I'd be curious what those instructors were recommending instead. Shotguns?
I think the only thing that's "safe" indoors is birdshot which will stop after a wall or two. Notice that in this video the first shot we point to cut cleanly through the second layer of steel while the second shot was already fragmented and tore nasty gash.
bluesxman10 4 years ago
Unless the barrel was right against the wall I doubt birdshot would even pass through one wall.
gandb21 4 years ago
Birdshot is definitely one of the safest loads indoors (although not necessarily safe).
The stopping power website has a wall experiment. A 12 gauge with birdshot went through one indoor wall but was stopped by the second wall which acted as an outdoor wall. This was a lighter trap load, not a game load.
bluesxman10 4 years ago
it looked like the gash was related to the previous bullet whole that was already above where the .223 went.. but i could easily be mistaken
nowaiman 4 years ago
meant this as a reply to someone elses comment i musta typed in wrong box lol
nowaiman 4 years ago
The reason they dont recommend it is because they want a round that can pass through the corner of a wall, etc and still be lethal enough to stop the enemy. Not for safety reasons.
gandb21 4 years ago
The .223 becomes to unstable after it hits anything hard, like metal. Also the chips from the bullet lose energy very quickly.
SuperLuigi707 4 years ago
The standard 55 grain slugs sold in the local Wal-Mart are not suited for drilling targets behind car doors. However, 5.56/.223 slugs in the 75 and 77 grain weights retain a lot of impact energy even after penetrating car doors or windshields.
madtommyfab 4 years ago
I've read of the heavier bullets being less likely to fragment, too. The cartridges used in this video are Remington UMC 55 grain MC (aka FMJ). Clearly one shouldn't count on a truck door as cover from the 55 grain bullets or most other firearms as the other videos show.
bluesxman10 4 years ago
You are right about that. An individual can only hope to put the engine block between the gunman and their body.
madtommyfab 4 years ago
You never will then.
gandb21 4 years ago