Rewatching BSG, don't get the surprise of the ending. They say they're looking for Earth from the start. The six in Gauss's head is supernatural from the start, and its pretty much assumed that SOMETHING has been guiding both Cylon's and the humans.
So they could go 2 ways
1- No Supernatural and everyone's insane
2- Supernatural.
The original did 1, and you can tell the series is aiming for the supernatural side.
Personally, I'm surprised more Sci-Fi endings DON'T have much supernatural.
You wanna know something about BSG... I was written and created by a mormon. It doesn't surprise me the gods are blond and blue eyed because, HELL, their the master race here on Earth. The whole premise of the story are these people are coming from the planet Kolob where the mor(m)on god lives to find Earth. At least that's what the old TV series was about. I know things might've gotten changed for these new shows. Remember people, the mor(m)on god lives on Kolob. What nonsense.
Hey Howard, two mates in Australia (you know the place, that frakkin' far off land where kids are taught to use their brains at school) sat down on a Saturday night, had an awesome stir fry, a few shots of Russian water and a bit of grass and watched the show. It was an awesome ending. Sorry the creators made you try and use your brain. Great ideas last longer than 30 seconds because not all of us think Andy Warhol was a good artist (insert can of soup). Some of us like to digest and think :-)
@Servodude1 Exactly - people's attention spans don't allow them to understand a series like this. Howard Stern should stick to "American Idol" and "Friends" re-runs (Friends - YUCK - Worst show ever)
Kara and the 2 ghosts were angeles of the "One true god".
The kid = The humans of today = half Cylon half Human.
It wasn't too confusing, but that's probably because I watch the whole thing over again on Netflix continously til' the end without months and months of waiting for a new season to come out and totally forget wtf happened the last season.
Well, not everyone is able to comprehend what happened in the final and the whole series as such, so apparently it is easier to denounce and mock this phenomenal series.
i think these people are like my grandpa he hated the new series but he liked the old series and starbuck was actually a guy on the old series ?weird? right but the old series is not that great and would of course be bad when there was only 22. this series is cooler and more thrilling i like it too but the old series no i real do not like old shows but the theme song is good and new one is too
Stern doesn't know this, but the ending was RUSHED because the series intended to be 7 seasons long. It was forced to end early after only 4 seasons. To be honest, the writers did a WONDERFUL JOB tying things up, considering they wanted to do so so much more.
They planted the seeds for something much grander and had to finish it out with what they had time to do.
You know how you know this is a shitty ending to a great series? Because NOBODY can agree on what any of it is supposed to mean? When the writers and producers are saying things like "Starbuck is whatever you want/need her to be," that's lazy writing at it's absolute finest. I love the series and will NOT allow my love for its origins overshadow what was a horrible ending. Wake up, folks, the Emperor's wearing no clothes.
I thought the ending was fine, What he should be saying is WTF happened after episode 10? They get to earth and then it goes to shit for 6 episodes then it picks up again.
What does that say about Mr. Stern when this radio "idol", actally can take art and see nothing. The ending to BSG was many things, but It certainly wasnt nothing. Im dissapointed at how this guy does(or doesn't) view the world around him...
Hey Howard. FRAK YOU! Do you not have a brain? A show doesn't have to spell it it out for you. You have a puny brain, and are incapable of rational thought. EVER HEARD OF THE WORD: Interpretation? No, I guess not. SHUT THE FRAK UP you piss ant.
In true Science Fiction, as this series was, it is not a very good idea to use too much of GOD. In this case, the Will or Design of God is a substitute to excuse bad writing, lack of ideas and poor imagination. A good writer should always be able to wrap up his story and tie loose ends without covering up mediocrity with the will of God. If the writer burned out, he could have found inspiration from the pool of wonderful creatyive ideas from the fans of the series.
I agree that the ending was always going to be a divider, but I was stunned by the mediocrity of THIS ending, especially for a series so well crafted up to that point. Was it written by a different team who had little regard for the great episodes that preceded it, because this ending is completely disconnected. Did the main writer burn out and just put this piss hastily together to get rid of it? Galactica deserved better!
Absolute drivel of the wettest kind! How many time have christinas got in on american made films, and series and put a oh btw God answer into science fiction, when science leads us with intelligence to know aliens didn't seed us on the planet!! fuckin idiot ending!!
The ending was always going to be a divider. They always are! The whole Starbuck thread was a little deus ex machina; humans on the brink of total annihilation are aided by a higher alien power throughout the series in order to kick start the process of civilization. Everything has happened before and will happen again. God is an alien. Baltar and 6 are His representatives. They've played with resurrection throughout -Cylons had tech to do it. "God" resurrected Starbuck to get them to Earth...
Poor idiots. Do you need answers to everything? Are finales all about answers? Come on. Lost's, for instance, explained everything, and is the most boring finale (as well as the most boring final series) I've ever seen. Grow up. Life has no final answers, accept it.
The finale was freaking spectacular. I don't doubt that you don't get it Howard, most morons didn't get it. Also, horrible doesn't contain an "a" anywhere in it. Jackass.
I didn't like the way the show ended. The finale felt rushed. RDM and the gang were in a hurry to wrap it up becasue SyFy wouldn't renew the show for the next (2) seasons. Remember, RDM wanted SyFy to renew the show for season 4 & 5, but SyFy would only renew for season 4, so RDM ended the show. It was never cancelled.
@helo86 I agree, the ending is botched up. some scenes are sickeningly sweet, they made a survey on the public and came to the conclusion that most viewers were females, they gave them the ending they wanted: soap opera-esque and romance novel. Good for space cadets!
Howard Stern has the mental capacity of a five year old. Howard if you didn't "get" the ending, than go buy a fucking brain, it wasn't that confusing.
i don't know you, but i like it when a series doesn't explain EVERYTHING. the mysteries were a big part of the series, and just solving them would make it lame. i couldn't watch the series again if i knew already the answers.
@Avager It wasn't deep. It was retarded and the decision they made in the end were not believable at all. "Guys i've got this GREAT idea! We've just been here for a few hours but let's send all our ships INTO THE SUN, abandon our technology and go live as primitive monkies" - And what's even more funny... the other 30.000 people didn't protest one bit. And, Adama, after have been there for only a short time, decides to leave his son and go build a fracking house somewhere. DID THAT MAKE SENSE???
@rottenpancakes That decision is actually something modern people can't do because of our greed dumbass. They noticed that technology caused their race to be almost wiped out so they decided not to let that happen to that new race they found. That's retarded?
@rottenpancakes actually, most of the people in the fleet would have been basically prisoners on those ships for the 4 years. The decision made about leaving the technology behind was probably more about not wanting to get into those ships (and be like prisoners or hermits) again. The people took a stand. I do agree though, lying the fleet into the sun was a bad idea. The one part of the finale that I wasn't to crazy about.
@rottenpancakes also, the people in the fleet, for those 4 years were basically malnourished, so the chance to abandon their "prison cells" and live in fresh air with an abundance of food and stop the "running" from the cylons was too enticing. Remember, on "New Caprica", the cylons would not have found them if it weren't for their technology (the nuke that wiped out Cloud 9).
The visions that Baltar and six see are 'angels' from God - explained many times throughout the series. If this guy can't pick something that obvious up, he's got issues.
I thought the ending was great. Besides Daniel, my big questions were answered and I was happy with were it left everyone. I don't understand how he didn't get Kara and the angels.
The Six and Baltar and Kara Thrace, were angels. They come to you in the guise of the people you love. The Child was the link to the Humans from the 12 colonies and the cylons to modern day humans... It wasn't hard to grasp...
@Satyros2009 No, I was a very good ending. As far a "Lost" goes... That show was fucking terrible, right from the start. It appealed to the no-brain, "American Idol", dipshit generation. My ex-girlfriend would watch Lost, & make me watch it... Worst show I've seen. Never saw it's ending, I stopped watching Lost after her & I broke up, right after the third or fourth episode in the second season. You want a shitty, cop-out ending... try watching "The Event". Great show until the last 2 episodes.
Ronald Moore has admitted that he didn't know where the show was going. I think he mentions specifically the Six on Baltar's head. When you have a show that is so story based the story must have been written BEFOREHAND. Moore has said that he was throwing things into BSG and wanted to see where this would lead. "IN A FUCKED UP ENDING YOU MORON, this is where this decision lead you!" This is what Lost did as well.
@Satyros2009 Moore did say that... but after how many geeks asked him the same question for the millionth time and all of them probably wanting to inject their 2 cents worth... It was probably an answer he spat out trying not to give away any direction he was planning on taking the show with. BTW - He said that when talking about if the show was ending after 4 seasons or 5... He also did say that he had the basic story down since season 1.
@Satyros2009 Actually... In late season 1 or early in season 2 the six in Baltar's head said she was an agent of god sent to guide him... She also said this in season 3 (the episode called "torn"). What's RDM gonna say? Yeah this is what she is and here's how the show is gonna end, but continue to watch it for three more seasons regardless... Name 1 producer of a show that's going to tell you how a show will end. That's just a stupid argument... (cont)
@Satyros2009 ...(cont) so the six in Baltar's head and the Baltar in Six's head turing out to be agents of God shouldn't have surprised you. She told Baltar that fact at least 2 times during the series. If you can't pay attention, or if you don't have the attention span to watch a series like this, don't go around calling others a "FUCKIN MORON". When you watch a television series which requires you to think, here's an idea... PAY ATTENTION.
@Bawbster1 The Event finale was rushed as the show was canceled. Not that it makes it any less bad, but just saying.
On the other hand BSG had all the time it needed to progress and end the show properly. And failed. After a while the characters were not making rational decisions. Their existence and what they were doing was forced. Apollo as a lawyer? Ohhh come on! And later on he is in suit for the whole time but the finale?
@Satyros2009 Apollo has always shown qualities for doing what he believes in... Like going against his fathers orders many times. Why does that surprise you that he defended Baltar?
@Satyros2009 BTW - The show was not cancelled. SciFi hadn't made a decision about season 5 fast enough for RDM. Just as they dragged their heels on Caprica (which wasn't a very good show at all and was cancelled). RDM always maintained that the show would end on his terms and not "jump the shark" with 5, 6 and 7 seasons of filler episodes. He even said after season 1 that the show would only last 4 seasons and maybe a 5th.
@Satyros2009 The Finale did appeal to a lot of people and not so much to others. Like the old adage goes... You can't please everyone all of the time.
5) It does not matter who says it. If that would be true, then if Howard Stern said that the Earth was spherical what would you do? Believe that the Earth is flat?!
4) Lost's finale appealed to a lot of people too. More than the BSG finale to tell the truth. I agree, you can't please everyone. In the case of Lost one is you, another is me. In BSG's case, you are pleased I am not. The out of character moments of Apollo etc are still there, they are just not enough to ruin the final season (and the finale) for you. But they are more than enough for me. Regardless, THEY EXIST. If you say otherwise you are just in denial.
@Satyros2009 Lost never appealed to me, not once. I started watching the pilot and just couldn't get into it. Again, Apollo had stated an interest in being a Lawyer in season one. He also consistently disobeyed orders because of his morals and loyalty to the laws of his people. Watch season one again, then tell me it's out of character for him. He acted like a lawyer in a fighter pilots' uniform.
3) Moore said that he was putting things in it just to see where they would lead. This is apparent if you have seen the series. Not only the questions that were never answered, but more importantly the answers that were given but are kinda contradictory and...
....just do not fit exactly. Sure the basic idea was not only planned, was already established from the previous show. Moore did not create BSG, Moore made a 21st version of it.
@Satyros2009 The new BSG is a lot different than the original.. For one, the cylons were not created by man in the original. My point was, RDM knew how the show would end from the start. Sure story lines were added in while making it over the 4 years, as would happen with any show.
@Bawbster1 1) Did I say that? I did not mentioned whom he defended, I mentioned that in season 4 he was in suit doing "stuff" that were out of the already established character. Be in denial if you wish. He still could have defended Baltar without a suit and in character. 2) Are you sure you are answering to me? I never said that the show was canceled. I said the opposite. BSG had the time to bring the show in a end. Exactly because it was not canceled.
@Satyros2009 Well, in season one, he did state an interest in being a lawyer, like his grandfather, just so you know, so it wasn't "out of character" as you said it was - BTW, he started being a body guard for Baltar, but was pulled into the "lawyer gig" from his inside knowledge of his father's feelings in the case.
The same goes about Head Six. Moore has said that he was just throwing things about it. In series that was translated by Head Six telling she was a numerous other things as well. Or have you not been paying attention when she did? Moore just chose one of those DURING THE SHOW. He was asked AFTER the series had ended and admitted it himself! So there was no reason for him to confuse the fans or not ruin the show for them. BE IN DENIAL as much as you want.
@Satyros2009 The things RDM were "throwing in" were not the main storyline... Again, she said on 2 maybe 3 occasions that she was an agent of God. Anders (before they removed the bullet) also said that several of the "final 5" were also seeing "people than no one else could see". "Head 6" never said flat out she was a cylon... she went along with what Baltar said and thought. The only thing that she said that she was "flat out" was an agent of God. Watch it again...
@Satyros2009 You said "Head Six telling she was a numerous other things"...
She never said flat out she was a cylon. She just went along with what Baltar said and thought. The only thing the Head six said she was "flat out" was an agent of god, and she said this twice. Name 1 episode where the "head 6" said "flat out" that she was anything but an agent of god. Name any 1 episode when she said what you claim. (cont)
@Satyros2009 The only exception was when she said that Baltar was crazy and she was a figment of his imagination, but was recanted by the end of that episode.
J. Michael Straczynski had said that he knew how B5 would end. But he never said what that would be. And don't start how you liked or disliked B5. That is not our topic. My point is just that there are producers that are telling that they have a complete story in their minds. They don't tell the story. They tell that they know the story.
@Bawbster1 You are in denial. Apollo as a lawyer was out of character. Not so much because he was a lawyer (which was just ONE episode if I remember correctly) but because everything that was established to that point was shoot out of the airlock. So when I am saying "a lawyer" I mean the entire character arc of the 4th season, not just him BEING a lawyer. If you weren't in denial you would have got it. And then the "old Apollo" came back for the finale!
@Satyros2009 No - I got what you were talking about. In fact, you are the one in denial. Deny this fact... For the first 3 seasons, Lee Adama followed his morals and conscience above and beyond his "orders" from the military. Every time the military gave him orders he didn't agree with morally, he refused them, took the opposite side or just gave up on life itself. You cannot deny this fact. (Cont...)
@Satyros2009 ...(cont - part 2) Lee being a lawyer & government official was more in-character for him than him being a fighter pilot. As a fighter pilot, he had talent, but as far as being a "good soldier" goes, he sucked almost as bad a Kara Thrace. Apollo pulled his weapon on his superior officer, refused the order to take out Tom Zarek (hell, he even saved his life), then took Tom Zarek's side and forced the elections. He refused his orders when dealing with the black market (...cont)
@Satyros2009...(cont-part 3) he basically gave up on life and stated that he didn't want to "make it back" after being shot down (didn't respond to Galactica when they tried to find him floating in space) because he was ordered to help Kara Thrace assassinate Admiral Kane... shall I go on? My military buddy even said that Starbuck and Apollo should have been court-martialed for their military behaviour. HE ACTED LIKE AN HONEST POLITICIAN IN A MILITARY UNIFORM, since season 1. You are in denial.
@Satyros2009 BTW - you people are agreeing with Howard Stern... A guy who brings people with severe brain damage on his show, time and again, to mock him and make a fool of him - giving him the nickname "Beetlejuice". Someone with brain deficiencies to the point where he stop growing at 4 feet tall.
@Adiorocks949 I did like the ending... Except for the whole flying the fleet into the sun. Leave the fleet in an Orbit - just in case, the old ships would have eventually burned up in the atmosphere...
@Gorshkin111 Twilight is both stupid and gay... BSG was not. It was a good ending. They were hinting about the "Angels" since the very beginning. It wasn't as if it was just dreamed up in the last episode. The "mitochondrial Eve" twist was great and unexpected.
@Bawbster1 "The Six and Baltar and Kara Thrace, were angels" hahahhahahhahaha and you got thumbs up for this? hahahhahahaha incredible stupidity of youtube users. And this should be a good idea? it is thousands of YEARS old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and they sold it AGAIN! to idiots! ...like you! LMAO
@dumbnetworks Hey doorknob, if they weren't angels, what were they? BTW - Yes, yes I did get thumbs up for it, I notice your response didn't get any. Not sure what "Idea" it is you are talking about that's 1000s of years old. If it's the religious twist, It's not like I believe BSG was real and it's my religion you moron. Actually, I'm atheist. It was just a tv show, with some good writing. If I'm an idiot, then why bother responding to my comment?
@dumbnetworks IQ = 142 dip shit... BTW one can be both enlightened and stupid, however, one cannot be enlightened and ignorant (you are proof of that).
@dumbnetworks oh? Exactly what notion did I fail to grasp? The fact that you are an ignorant fool? No, I got that right away. Now stop trolling in here and get back to the docks, I'm sure there's some sailors you still need to blow.
@Bawbster1 what docks? do you live there, lol? By your language you pretty much fit the description. Go back to your retarded friends and NEVER EVER make any comments here or enywhere else. Suicide is always an option for you, keep that in mind!
@dumbnetworks No I don't live there... Please don't mistake me for one of the sailors that cums down your throat on a nightly basis... BTW - WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO TELL ME WHEN OR WHERE I CAN OR CANNOT MAKE COMMENTS? Go fuck yourself, or one of your faggot friends. - BTW - I notice that whenever I pose a question to you, you never have a response to that question... just idiotic responses. At least I respond to the questions put to me, then I slander you.
@Bawbster1 "pose a question to you, you never have a response to that question" you never asked anything, you are just calling me names. so this is what you get
@Bawbster1 I asked... "if they weren't angels, what were they" ok look: they were angels of course because stupid writers had no ideas at the end so they went for the very old story of angels. I don't have to answer "what were they" question because I didn't wrote the script.
@Bawbster1 that wasn't a question, and if you are so smart, you can realize that your question cannot be answered, For once I did not say that they weren't angels. I said that is stupid and lazy to make them angels. so your question has no substance. understand now? high IQ dude? So yea you NEVER asked anything
@dumbnetworks See, that's where we disagree. The show has had religious overtones right from the very beginning. My guess, & my my girlfriend also guessed that they were Angels/agents of God.
It was a question - & a legitimate one at that.
If it wasn't a question, then why did you answer it?
Gee, you seem to be obsessed with the fact that my IQ is higher than yours. For the record, I've taken the IQ test on 3 occasions - my scores were 134, 136 (I think) and the last test I did score a 142.
@Bawbster1 i scored 139 and one time 142 but I wont think 142 is correct. anyway I don't care that she guessed that they were angels, because this is an easy guess and a wrong guess for a show that put so much effort into showing the whole psychology of a tragedy of leaving your home with a few thousand individuals to search a new place, the whole struggle on the way the incredible realism in some cases, wonderfull music and characters, connection with science (cont)
@Bawbster1 (cont) and of course the salt and pepper which is religion and other things. but basically what happened in the end is, after all the struggle all the deaths all the tragedies they went trough, they just leave the fuckin battleships and send them in the Sun! and the find earth, and probably starve to death at least half of them in the first week or so. and starbuck just dissapears (angelcrap) and of course in the end the two imaginary friends were FUCKIN ANGELS... what a cooler...
@dumbnetworks I understand why the people would want to leave the Ships behind, like they did on New Caprica; they were basically prisoners on those ships for years, with not enough food & water, poor air quality, everyone around you has B.O. & everyday there's the threat that you could die. They didn't have a Samuel de Champlain & his "order of good cheer" to keep them in line. Flying the fleet into the sun? I would have made a small group of people get together and sabotage them instead (cont)
@dumbnetworks (cont) I think the people would have more resources for nutrition on Earth than they had on the ships (remember the mini-series and them discussing the food requirements just for 1 week). As far as Starbuck goes, She died, what did you think she was? Making her a cylon would have been too predictable. Her last deed was to help open up Lee's eyes to the opportunities on the new planet (Earth). She disappeared just as the "Six" and "Baltar" angels did the entire series.
@Bawbster1 "As far as Starbuck goes, She died, what did you think she was" look you don't have to explain to me what she was, I wrote a bunch of comments now to explain to you where I stand, I think you deserve that much. Leaving technology behind is not just stupid BUT IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! never ever! especially when you live in a constitutional democracy how they lived, will allways be people who think with their heads and not with their hearts. as for what did I think imaginary six (cont)
@dumbnetworks It wouldn't happen in our society because we have become so dependant on technology in our everyday lives... Most of the people in the fleet didn't really have access to the technology. They had about as much technology as you would have being a passenger on an airplane, just the clothes you are wearing and whatever luggage you may have taken with you... So Leaving behind technology that only 1% of the people in the fleet has access to is not a stretch.
@Bawbster1 I disagree, They were an advanced society hundreds or thousands of years or more comparing to ours, they colonized planets, your statement makes no sense, we are becoming more and more dependant on technology, imagine how dependant they were, imagine how much will change our everyday life from now on, think about it, after a few hundred years we wont concieve to live without it. It's not possible, this is our evolution. And they were much more ahead of us.
@dumbnetworks Yes, but after the first cylon war (this is from the mini-series) humanity went backwards in technology from fear of it. They stopped networking computers and there were two schools of thoughts, those who embrace technology again and those who didn't (Rolin to Adama - "You are one of those people who are afraid...")
@Bawbster1 "were two schools of thoughts, those who embrace technology again and those who didn't" OF COURSE there were, you know why? because it was a democracy! and there will always be two opposite thoughts, no matter if there are 2 billion people or 2 thousand, thats why is just brainwash stupid to say that everyone hated technology from the remaining people. Just imagine yourself tommorow in the brazilian jungle, how would you survive? so maybe technology is not a bad idea after all
@dumbnetworks The Brazilian jungle argument... Sure, some people wouldn't last a single day... but some people would survive. Have you ever gone camping? (Not the bullshit camping some people do, but serious camping). I never said EVERYONE hated technology in the fleet. I'm saying that not everyone had access to it, other than being passengers on the starships. When "The Fall" happened, the people in the fleet were just A) Passengers with little luggage or B) Working on those ships (Cont)
@Bawbster1 "I'm saying that not everyone had access to it"I told you at least in 3 comments now that yes I think everyone had acces to it, because is inevitable! it's inevitable if you want to evolve faster than normal evolution goes, which is millions of years, so yea science technology was part of EVERYONE's life in some way or the other, not saying that everyone liked it I'm saying that everyone used it
@Bawbster1 (Not the bullshit camping some people do, but serious camping). you and I together, have no idea about the dangers of the jungle, one bite from a little worm or insect and you are anaconda food, in that place flies inject larva under your skin and you feel it grow inside you. if you eat the wron thing you die in terrible pain. Imagine whole earth with all the wild animals! no shelter no comunity, no guns! wtf you are dead!
@dumbnetworks The jungle does present a lot of dangers, Good thing they were in the plains of Africa eh? You stick people in the Jungle,m or any other harsh environment, and guess what? Some people will die and some people will survive. People living in the tropics would cringe just as much about living in the arctic. I wouldn't. I'm used to very cold weather (more harsh than I am used to, but I'd survive it).
@Bawbster1 It doesn't matter if they would eventualy survive in Africa or any other continent, however with very small chances. It matters only the fact that they deliberately! left technology, which is nonsense. Would be more appropriate and obvious if something unexpected happends which leaves them there,just an idea... but again, I don'thave to come up with the ideas they should have, and the religious saga at the end just completes all the crap.
How can you complain about the religious saga at the end? That really puzzles me. The expression "God's plan" is heard constantly in the premiere alone. This show had a lot of religious motifs from the start.
I think that the humans deliberately abandoning their technology was actually quite believable. Never underestimate the desire for a new beginning.
@dumbnetworks (Cont) but they all had one thing in common, most of the technology they enjoyed was destroyed in their homes during the cylon attack. Hell, people didn't even have toothpaste after a while (remember that last tube of Toothpaste). People were listening to Fleet Broadcasts with shared radios. So the choice wasn't really to leave Technology behind, but to not be prisoners aboard failing technology (certain ships FTL drives were slowing down etc...)
@Bawbster1 I don't see it the way you do, I mean "the last toothpaste", As I told you technology was part of their lives as medicine is part of ours, they had all the history probably on hard drives or something similar, all scientific discoveries, everything that would have made their life easier on a wild earth.
@dumbnetworks Just because you have the technology, doesn't mean you are "dependant on it". Think about it, After the first Cylon War, wouldn't people have figured out how to live without technology? It was stated that the Cylons almost wiped out humanity in that first war, don't you think to survive, people would have learned to be less dependant on technology, esp. after your technology both A) Turned on you and B) was all but wiped out for you to use.
@Bawbster1 "After the first Cylon War, wouldn't people have figured out how to live without technology?" No, when you use spaceships as they did is not exactly living without technology. And yea I understood that they were afraid of it and thought that they should get rid of it, but as I said before in their travels it was obvious that they lived in democracy so is not like the dictator says lets get rid of technology. and what about the cylons that became our ancestors practically
@Bawbster1 and another thing, you didn't read my comment about dependant on technology because they were ahead of us with thousands of years. Tecnology and design and foreign materials, computers will become part of our lives our bodies, It's happening as we speak so imagine how far we will be in say 500 of years, imagine how different we will become when we live on separate planets, think about it.
@Bawbster1 ...and baltar was, I never "imagined" that they were angels, because is just bad for a sci-fi, very bad, is like eating a chocolate with burrito, they wont go together. they could have explained it scientifically or not explain it at all, because many things are still unexplainable especially in quantum phisics, so you have reality on your side. They don't have any excuse for the ending. only that they had to finnish it fast, and for 80% creationists in the US, I guess.
@dumbnetworks Religion and Science fiction usually aren't put together, except for this show, which gave BSG another quality which sets it apart from other SciFi shows. Religious themes were in BSG right from the get go - what show had you been watching for those 4 years? The Angel theme should not have come as that much of a surprise to anyone, in fact, people should've expected it. Also, It didn't give a nod to one religion over another, it just explained God as a "force of nature".
@Bawbster1 " it just explained God as a "force of nature". " and you find this brilliant explanation? This is the first time you hear about it? you think that the writers deserve a raise for this enlightening explanation? and yes it was a surprise for me, because of course I noticed the religion in the movie, but in my naivety I though that goes along with the exact replica of everyday life and not more, I guess I couldn't read the mediocrity between the good and the great ideas.
@dumbnetworks BTW - just because an idea is old doesn't make it "lazy" or bad writing. You might not have liked it, but I think including "gods", "angles" and "agents of god" in a science fiction show is quite original and in a way, brave. Me, I'm atheist but I thought the story line was great. The only thing I didn't like about the finale was the flying the fleet into the sun.
I'm curious, (seriously now) If you were writing the show, how would you have ended it and explained things?
@Bawbster1 I would not have made them angels of course. For start only if you look science vids on youtube you can find SO MANY diffrent theories that are arround nowadays (some of them will be gone after apparently with the help of LHC) but still! there are a lot of them and I'm not talking about only the multiple universes. Reality is even more spectacular sometimes than movies if you think about it. If you are a writer, you SHOULD get well informed before you write a SCI-FI
@Bawbster1 so in the end, they had to, they apparently HAD to put fuckin religion into this very well made show. Religion is arround since we came down from the trees and were scared when we saw a lightning or a snowstorm. To ANSWER EVERYTHING with the bible god and angels, is this movie is like taking a shit in the birthday cake. ruins it.
@dumbnetworks How does putting 'religion' ruin a show (which infers anything of the supernatural, since in no way does the show infer any organized religion is correct) ruin it? What about the ending of DS9? In essence, the gods in Bajor saved everyone.
Just because you don't WANT to see anything that infers 'religion' anywhere doesn't mean religious ideals don't make real good fiction. Just look at Kings.
@dumbnetworks BTW - You commented about my comment to someone else... Mind your own fucking business cocksucker. Then you seemed to be offended that my original comment (again - to someone else) had 16 thumbs up... Boo Hoo. BTW - your suicide comment really pissed off my girlfriend... Her Aunt killed herself... She wants me to kick the shit out of you... Since I'm in Canada and you are from the Isle of Man, I don't see it happening...
@Bawbster1 "your suicide comment really pissed off my girlfriend" that's good, because is probably in here genes, so maybe she can convince you to do it toghether, send me a pic if you do it :)
@dumbnetworks yeah - that was really funny - barrel of laughs aren't you? I can guarantee this... If you were standing next to me in a pub... there's no way you'd talk to me like that. You'd be missing half your teeth before you could finish your sentence.
"30 years of unadulterated street drugs will get you some fuckin' angels, my friend." -George Carlin
zencircus 4 days ago
Rewatching BSG, don't get the surprise of the ending. They say they're looking for Earth from the start. The six in Gauss's head is supernatural from the start, and its pretty much assumed that SOMETHING has been guiding both Cylon's and the humans.
So they could go 2 ways
1- No Supernatural and everyone's insane
2- Supernatural.
The original did 1, and you can tell the series is aiming for the supernatural side.
Personally, I'm surprised more Sci-Fi endings DON'T have much supernatural.
jpusar 1 week ago
Very disappointing indeed. Gaius and Caprica (the angel versions) were, yeah, angels. Starbuck on the other hand ... utterly appalling.
Raymint 1 week ago
And who the fuck is Howard Stern?
wildwildman88 1 week ago
@wildwildman88 LMAO. look at you pretend that you dont know who howard stern was.
TheTrollWithin30 2 days ago
Well I liked it.
Essjaythegreat 1 week ago
i agree after the rescue it went downhill you could tell that they were just pulling it out of their ass i still liked the series though.
421slobo 2 weeks ago
yeah i watched BSG about 4 times over, and it starts to suck after the the rescue on new caprica.
ErKa44 2 weeks ago
Don't understand how anyone could be disappointed with the BSG ending!
ThomasCarson1982 1 month ago
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Bawbster1 1 month ago
You wanna know something about BSG... I was written and created by a mormon. It doesn't surprise me the gods are blond and blue eyed because, HELL, their the master race here on Earth. The whole premise of the story are these people are coming from the planet Kolob where the mor(m)on god lives to find Earth. At least that's what the old TV series was about. I know things might've gotten changed for these new shows. Remember people, the mor(m)on god lives on Kolob. What nonsense.
megloman1975 1 month ago
Sounds like they know pretty much nothing about the show.
MajorSilvaa 1 month ago
Hey Howard, two mates in Australia (you know the place, that frakkin' far off land where kids are taught to use their brains at school) sat down on a Saturday night, had an awesome stir fry, a few shots of Russian water and a bit of grass and watched the show. It was an awesome ending. Sorry the creators made you try and use your brain. Great ideas last longer than 30 seconds because not all of us think Andy Warhol was a good artist (insert can of soup). Some of us like to digest and think :-)
Servodude1 1 month ago
@Servodude1 Exactly - people's attention spans don't allow them to understand a series like this. Howard Stern should stick to "American Idol" and "Friends" re-runs (Friends - YUCK - Worst show ever)
Bawbster1 1 month ago
i actually liked the whole thing..
zakakay 1 month ago
Kara and the 2 ghosts were angeles of the "One true god".
The kid = The humans of today = half Cylon half Human.
It wasn't too confusing, but that's probably because I watch the whole thing over again on Netflix continously til' the end without months and months of waiting for a new season to come out and totally forget wtf happened the last season.
adobo777 1 month ago
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dumbnetworks 1 month ago
Well, not everyone is able to comprehend what happened in the final and the whole series as such, so apparently it is easier to denounce and mock this phenomenal series.
Arenterr 2 months ago
watch the movie "Blade Runner" and read the book "Frankenstein" and read the "Book of Genesis" too. You will see a common theme.
JoeCavy4 2 months ago
they no understandiin they hatiin
thenomaic 2 months ago
i think these people are like my grandpa he hated the new series but he liked the old series and starbuck was actually a guy on the old series ?weird? right but the old series is not that great and would of course be bad when there was only 22. this series is cooler and more thrilling i like it too but the old series no i real do not like old shows but the theme song is good and new one is too
austinvannatta 2 months ago
I am surprised that people could be upset by one of the greatest ending to a story.
Oh well.
Silentsam7532 2 months ago
Everything but who or what Starbuck is was explained in series finale. You can even say she was God by the very last conversation in the series.
But i guess Howard was to busy looking at Tricia Helfer's tits.
koktelici 2 months ago
Stern doesn't know this, but the ending was RUSHED because the series intended to be 7 seasons long. It was forced to end early after only 4 seasons. To be honest, the writers did a WONDERFUL JOB tying things up, considering they wanted to do so so much more.
They planted the seeds for something much grander and had to finish it out with what they had time to do.
Kujakuseki01 2 months ago
howard is baltar
albertkiser 2 months ago
Yeah what did he expect? Another plot twist? It's a SERIES Finale and it ended on the one possible note I could end: Positive, for once.
Kirzan66 2 months ago
howard sterns a idiot i understood it all it aint that hard just pay attention
spartan2590 2 months ago
it was the perfect ending it answered all the questions and was simply the perfect ending
spartan2590 2 months ago
it end up being sooooo lame
it´s one of the cooles sci-fi series (a monster kind of series
but the end was some disappointing.
i mean what the fuck happen CAVIL SHOOTS HIMSELF IN THE HEAD
the were going tho reap the gusts out of human and with some little word from baltar they simple stop? WTF?
i was expecting something more dark and sad instead an ugly geeky end (i think the writers at the end said welll were geeks an let do a geek episode)
carlitooxorqueda 2 months ago
You know how you know this is a shitty ending to a great series? Because NOBODY can agree on what any of it is supposed to mean? When the writers and producers are saying things like "Starbuck is whatever you want/need her to be," that's lazy writing at it's absolute finest. I love the series and will NOT allow my love for its origins overshadow what was a horrible ending. Wake up, folks, the Emperor's wearing no clothes.
Gorshkin111 2 months ago
guyias and number six were not Gods!! They were angels, and so was Kara
wolfpaw05 2 months ago
I thought the ending was fine, What he should be saying is WTF happened after episode 10? They get to earth and then it goes to shit for 6 episodes then it picks up again.
MastaChief10 3 months ago
@MastaChief10 Ya i thought that was kind of odd too... they just kind of forgot about that episode like it never happened
wolfpaw05 2 months ago
at battlestarforum com look for the ending by Brad Templeton. Much better IMHO
IntheeyesofMorbo 3 months ago
it sucked fans came up with much better endings - check the forums at the bsg fansites.
IntheeyesofMorbo 3 months ago
the ending sucked because the writers were in a hurry or lazy
revolt1492 3 months ago
this show sucks live with it.
catdogbill 3 months ago
What does that say about Mr. Stern when this radio "idol", actally can take art and see nothing. The ending to BSG was many things, but It certainly wasnt nothing. Im dissapointed at how this guy does(or doesn't) view the world around him...
drewdgraham 3 months ago
Hey Howard. FRAK YOU! Do you not have a brain? A show doesn't have to spell it it out for you. You have a puny brain, and are incapable of rational thought. EVER HEARD OF THE WORD: Interpretation? No, I guess not. SHUT THE FRAK UP you piss ant.
fancynancyINC 3 months ago 2
In true Science Fiction, as this series was, it is not a very good idea to use too much of GOD. In this case, the Will or Design of God is a substitute to excuse bad writing, lack of ideas and poor imagination. A good writer should always be able to wrap up his story and tie loose ends without covering up mediocrity with the will of God. If the writer burned out, he could have found inspiration from the pool of wonderful creatyive ideas from the fans of the series.
abbefaria1 3 months ago
I agree that the ending was always going to be a divider, but I was stunned by the mediocrity of THIS ending, especially for a series so well crafted up to that point. Was it written by a different team who had little regard for the great episodes that preceded it, because this ending is completely disconnected. Did the main writer burn out and just put this piss hastily together to get rid of it? Galactica deserved better!
abbefaria1 3 months ago
+1 Howard Stern
fukathis 3 months ago
Howard is a retard.. simple as that
gaspercad 3 months ago
Absolute drivel of the wettest kind! How many time have christinas got in on american made films, and series and put a oh btw God answer into science fiction, when science leads us with intelligence to know aliens didn't seed us on the planet!! fuckin idiot ending!!
PrincePloppy 3 months ago
The ending was always going to be a divider. They always are! The whole Starbuck thread was a little deus ex machina; humans on the brink of total annihilation are aided by a higher alien power throughout the series in order to kick start the process of civilization. Everything has happened before and will happen again. God is an alien. Baltar and 6 are His representatives. They've played with resurrection throughout -Cylons had tech to do it. "God" resurrected Starbuck to get them to Earth...
Buuuuuutch 3 months ago
Poor idiots. Do you need answers to everything? Are finales all about answers? Come on. Lost's, for instance, explained everything, and is the most boring finale (as well as the most boring final series) I've ever seen. Grow up. Life has no final answers, accept it.
emivik 4 months ago
nothing is answer
well dude
life itself has no answer
borrachoconpiojos100 4 months ago
I loved it. It's not about answers.
GrahamNificent 4 months ago
Well, it was better than Galactica 1980.
darkguardian1314 4 months ago
The finale was freaking spectacular. I don't doubt that you don't get it Howard, most morons didn't get it. Also, horrible doesn't contain an "a" anywhere in it. Jackass.
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I didn't like the way the show ended. The finale felt rushed. RDM and the gang were in a hurry to wrap it up becasue SyFy wouldn't renew the show for the next (2) seasons. Remember, RDM wanted SyFy to renew the show for season 4 & 5, but SyFy would only renew for season 4, so RDM ended the show. It was never cancelled.
helo86 4 months ago 2
@helo86 I agree, the ending is botched up. some scenes are sickeningly sweet, they made a survey on the public and came to the conclusion that most viewers were females, they gave them the ending they wanted: soap opera-esque and romance novel. Good for space cadets!
abbefaria1 3 months ago
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helo86 4 months ago
"haaarrible"
charliemcshane 4 months ago
Howard Stern has the mental capacity of a five year old. Howard if you didn't "get" the ending, than go buy a fucking brain, it wasn't that confusing.
Noctis411 4 months ago
stick to porn you douche
thedivil666 4 months ago
battlestar galactica ending: "hey pplz its all angels and magic and shit..." - well thankyou for that explanation.... you realy cleared it up...
86Corvus 4 months ago
Ending of BSG was bad. But compared to LOST ending it was brilliant.
Hastur83 4 months ago
Stupid people, they probably even saw the entire show.
AlfredoNader 5 months ago
harrabul
rottenpancakes 5 months ago
The ending was lame. To end that fantastic series by simply saying that "God did it" was a complete cop out.
bustermk2 5 months ago
@bustermk2
That wasen't about gods at all.
Starbuck jumped them to an unknown location thought to be Earth.
imicusdown 5 months ago
i don't know you, but i like it when a series doesn't explain EVERYTHING. the mysteries were a big part of the series, and just solving them would make it lame. i couldn't watch the series again if i knew already the answers.
Ryagful 5 months ago
@eaglesguy2036 Geta is scheming traitor, I believe it's Mr. Yoshi.
SilensDiabolus 5 months ago
The ending of BSG was one of the BEST I have ever seen, it was so deep and amazing that I just couldn't close my jaw after watching it.
Whole STORY had sense after the ending for me, just before it was : "Wait, what?" .
IT - WAS - AMAZING.
My opinion.
Avager 5 months ago 8
@Avager It wasn't deep. It was retarded and the decision they made in the end were not believable at all. "Guys i've got this GREAT idea! We've just been here for a few hours but let's send all our ships INTO THE SUN, abandon our technology and go live as primitive monkies" - And what's even more funny... the other 30.000 people didn't protest one bit. And, Adama, after have been there for only a short time, decides to leave his son and go build a fracking house somewhere. DID THAT MAKE SENSE???
rottenpancakes 5 months ago
@rottenpancakes That decision is actually something modern people can't do because of our greed dumbass. They noticed that technology caused their race to be almost wiped out so they decided not to let that happen to that new race they found. That's retarded?
Xemptuous 4 months ago
@rottenpancakes actually, most of the people in the fleet would have been basically prisoners on those ships for the 4 years. The decision made about leaving the technology behind was probably more about not wanting to get into those ships (and be like prisoners or hermits) again. The people took a stand. I do agree though, lying the fleet into the sun was a bad idea. The one part of the finale that I wasn't to crazy about.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@rottenpancakes also, the people in the fleet, for those 4 years were basically malnourished, so the chance to abandon their "prison cells" and live in fresh air with an abundance of food and stop the "running" from the cylons was too enticing. Remember, on "New Caprica", the cylons would not have found them if it weren't for their technology (the nuke that wiped out Cloud 9).
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Avager wtf?......yeah, guarantee your still a virgin
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chessinfantry 2 months ago
The visions that Baltar and six see are 'angels' from God - explained many times throughout the series. If this guy can't pick something that obvious up, he's got issues.
inhat0 5 months ago
I agree....it was bad.
pinoi78 5 months ago
I thought the ending was great. Besides Daniel, my big questions were answered and I was happy with were it left everyone. I don't understand how he didn't get Kara and the angels.
queenofqeeks 5 months ago
Yeah the ending sucked and it was so fucking odd.
vBDKv 6 months ago
The Six and Baltar and Kara Thrace, were angels. They come to you in the guise of the people you love. The Child was the link to the Humans from the 12 colonies and the cylons to modern day humans... It wasn't hard to grasp...
Bawbster1 6 months ago 16
@Bawbster1 Apparently it was.
queenofqeeks 5 months ago
@Bawbster1 No it wasn't. But it was terrible. The same goes for the ending of Lost.
Satyros2009 4 months ago
@Satyros2009 No, I was a very good ending. As far a "Lost" goes... That show was fucking terrible, right from the start. It appealed to the no-brain, "American Idol", dipshit generation. My ex-girlfriend would watch Lost, & make me watch it... Worst show I've seen. Never saw it's ending, I stopped watching Lost after her & I broke up, right after the third or fourth episode in the second season. You want a shitty, cop-out ending... try watching "The Event". Great show until the last 2 episodes.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
Ronald Moore has admitted that he didn't know where the show was going. I think he mentions specifically the Six on Baltar's head. When you have a show that is so story based the story must have been written BEFOREHAND. Moore has said that he was throwing things into BSG and wanted to see where this would lead. "IN A FUCKED UP ENDING YOU MORON, this is where this decision lead you!" This is what Lost did as well.
Satyros2009 1 month ago
@Satyros2009 Moore did say that... but after how many geeks asked him the same question for the millionth time and all of them probably wanting to inject their 2 cents worth... It was probably an answer he spat out trying not to give away any direction he was planning on taking the show with. BTW - He said that when talking about if the show was ending after 4 seasons or 5... He also did say that he had the basic story down since season 1.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Satyros2009 Actually... In late season 1 or early in season 2 the six in Baltar's head said she was an agent of god sent to guide him... She also said this in season 3 (the episode called "torn"). What's RDM gonna say? Yeah this is what she is and here's how the show is gonna end, but continue to watch it for three more seasons regardless... Name 1 producer of a show that's going to tell you how a show will end. That's just a stupid argument... (cont)
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Satyros2009 ...(cont) so the six in Baltar's head and the Baltar in Six's head turing out to be agents of God shouldn't have surprised you. She told Baltar that fact at least 2 times during the series. If you can't pay attention, or if you don't have the attention span to watch a series like this, don't go around calling others a "FUCKIN MORON". When you watch a television series which requires you to think, here's an idea... PAY ATTENTION.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 The Event finale was rushed as the show was canceled. Not that it makes it any less bad, but just saying.
On the other hand BSG had all the time it needed to progress and end the show properly. And failed. After a while the characters were not making rational decisions. Their existence and what they were doing was forced. Apollo as a lawyer? Ohhh come on! And later on he is in suit for the whole time but the finale?
Satyros2009 1 month ago
@Satyros2009 "On the other hand BSG had all the time it needed to progress and end the show properly. And failed" finaly someone with brains.
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@Satyros2009 Apollo has always shown qualities for doing what he believes in... Like going against his fathers orders many times. Why does that surprise you that he defended Baltar?
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Satyros2009 BTW - The show was not cancelled. SciFi hadn't made a decision about season 5 fast enough for RDM. Just as they dragged their heels on Caprica (which wasn't a very good show at all and was cancelled). RDM always maintained that the show would end on his terms and not "jump the shark" with 5, 6 and 7 seasons of filler episodes. He even said after season 1 that the show would only last 4 seasons and maybe a 5th.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Satyros2009 The Finale did appeal to a lot of people and not so much to others. Like the old adage goes... You can't please everyone all of the time.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
5) It does not matter who says it. If that would be true, then if Howard Stern said that the Earth was spherical what would you do? Believe that the Earth is flat?!
Satyros2009 1 month ago
4) Lost's finale appealed to a lot of people too. More than the BSG finale to tell the truth. I agree, you can't please everyone. In the case of Lost one is you, another is me. In BSG's case, you are pleased I am not. The out of character moments of Apollo etc are still there, they are just not enough to ruin the final season (and the finale) for you. But they are more than enough for me. Regardless, THEY EXIST. If you say otherwise you are just in denial.
Satyros2009 1 month ago
@Satyros2009 Lost never appealed to me, not once. I started watching the pilot and just couldn't get into it. Again, Apollo had stated an interest in being a Lawyer in season one. He also consistently disobeyed orders because of his morals and loyalty to the laws of his people. Watch season one again, then tell me it's out of character for him. He acted like a lawyer in a fighter pilots' uniform.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
3) Moore said that he was putting things in it just to see where they would lead. This is apparent if you have seen the series. Not only the questions that were never answered, but more importantly the answers that were given but are kinda contradictory and...
....just do not fit exactly. Sure the basic idea was not only planned, was already established from the previous show. Moore did not create BSG, Moore made a 21st version of it.
Satyros2009 1 month ago
@Satyros2009 The new BSG is a lot different than the original.. For one, the cylons were not created by man in the original. My point was, RDM knew how the show would end from the start. Sure story lines were added in while making it over the 4 years, as would happen with any show.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 1) Did I say that? I did not mentioned whom he defended, I mentioned that in season 4 he was in suit doing "stuff" that were out of the already established character. Be in denial if you wish. He still could have defended Baltar without a suit and in character. 2) Are you sure you are answering to me? I never said that the show was canceled. I said the opposite. BSG had the time to bring the show in a end. Exactly because it was not canceled.
Satyros2009 1 month ago
@Satyros2009 Well, in season one, he did state an interest in being a lawyer, like his grandfather, just so you know, so it wasn't "out of character" as you said it was - BTW, he started being a body guard for Baltar, but was pulled into the "lawyer gig" from his inside knowledge of his father's feelings in the case.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
The same goes about Head Six. Moore has said that he was just throwing things about it. In series that was translated by Head Six telling she was a numerous other things as well. Or have you not been paying attention when she did? Moore just chose one of those DURING THE SHOW. He was asked AFTER the series had ended and admitted it himself! So there was no reason for him to confuse the fans or not ruin the show for them. BE IN DENIAL as much as you want.
Satyros2009 1 month ago
@Satyros2009 The things RDM were "throwing in" were not the main storyline... Again, she said on 2 maybe 3 occasions that she was an agent of God. Anders (before they removed the bullet) also said that several of the "final 5" were also seeing "people than no one else could see". "Head 6" never said flat out she was a cylon... she went along with what Baltar said and thought. The only thing that she said that she was "flat out" was an agent of God. Watch it again...
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Satyros2009 You said "Head Six telling she was a numerous other things"...
She never said flat out she was a cylon. She just went along with what Baltar said and thought. The only thing the Head six said she was "flat out" was an agent of god, and she said this twice. Name 1 episode where the "head 6" said "flat out" that she was anything but an agent of god. Name any 1 episode when she said what you claim. (cont)
Bawbster1 4 weeks ago
@Satyros2009 The only exception was when she said that Baltar was crazy and she was a figment of his imagination, but was recanted by the end of that episode.
Bawbster1 4 weeks ago
J. Michael Straczynski had said that he knew how B5 would end. But he never said what that would be. And don't start how you liked or disliked B5. That is not our topic. My point is just that there are producers that are telling that they have a complete story in their minds. They don't tell the story. They tell that they know the story.
Satyros2009 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 You are in denial. Apollo as a lawyer was out of character. Not so much because he was a lawyer (which was just ONE episode if I remember correctly) but because everything that was established to that point was shoot out of the airlock. So when I am saying "a lawyer" I mean the entire character arc of the 4th season, not just him BEING a lawyer. If you weren't in denial you would have got it. And then the "old Apollo" came back for the finale!
Satyros2009 1 month ago
@Satyros2009 No - I got what you were talking about. In fact, you are the one in denial. Deny this fact... For the first 3 seasons, Lee Adama followed his morals and conscience above and beyond his "orders" from the military. Every time the military gave him orders he didn't agree with morally, he refused them, took the opposite side or just gave up on life itself. You cannot deny this fact. (Cont...)
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Satyros2009 ...(cont - part 2) Lee being a lawyer & government official was more in-character for him than him being a fighter pilot. As a fighter pilot, he had talent, but as far as being a "good soldier" goes, he sucked almost as bad a Kara Thrace. Apollo pulled his weapon on his superior officer, refused the order to take out Tom Zarek (hell, he even saved his life), then took Tom Zarek's side and forced the elections. He refused his orders when dealing with the black market (...cont)
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@Satyros2009...(cont-part 3) he basically gave up on life and stated that he didn't want to "make it back" after being shot down (didn't respond to Galactica when they tried to find him floating in space) because he was ordered to help Kara Thrace assassinate Admiral Kane... shall I go on? My military buddy even said that Starbuck and Apollo should have been court-martialed for their military behaviour. HE ACTED LIKE AN HONEST POLITICIAN IN A MILITARY UNIFORM, since season 1. You are in denial.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Satyros2009 BTW - you people are agreeing with Howard Stern... A guy who brings people with severe brain damage on his show, time and again, to mock him and make a fool of him - giving him the nickname "Beetlejuice". Someone with brain deficiencies to the point where he stop growing at 4 feet tall.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1
No one is saying it wasn't hard to grasp. They're saying it's bullshit.
Adiorocks949 3 months ago
@Adiorocks949 I did like the ending... Except for the whole flying the fleet into the sun. Leave the fleet in an Orbit - just in case, the old ships would have eventually burned up in the atmosphere...
Bawbster1 3 months ago
@Adiorocks949 no, Howard Stern actually said he didn't understand it.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 No, not hard to grasp at all. Just stupid. Very, very stupid. Twilight isn't hard to grasp at all, either, but it's very stupid.
Gorshkin111 2 months ago
@Gorshkin111 Twilight is both stupid and gay... BSG was not. It was a good ending. They were hinting about the "Angels" since the very beginning. It wasn't as if it was just dreamed up in the last episode. The "mitochondrial Eve" twist was great and unexpected.
Bawbster1 2 months ago
@Bawbster1 "The Six and Baltar and Kara Thrace, were angels" hahahhahahhahaha and you got thumbs up for this? hahahhahahaha incredible stupidity of youtube users. And this should be a good idea? it is thousands of YEARS old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and they sold it AGAIN! to idiots! ...like you! LMAO
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks Hey doorknob, if they weren't angels, what were they? BTW - Yes, yes I did get thumbs up for it, I notice your response didn't get any. Not sure what "Idea" it is you are talking about that's 1000s of years old. If it's the religious twist, It's not like I believe BSG was real and it's my religion you moron. Actually, I'm atheist. It was just a tv show, with some good writing. If I'm an idiot, then why bother responding to my comment?
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 I responded to your comment to enlighten you about your stupidity... but it didn't work I suppose.
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks IQ = 142 dip shit... BTW one can be both enlightened and stupid, however, one cannot be enlightened and ignorant (you are proof of that).
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 142? hahahhahaha 42 maybe? u rtard. you cannot grasp any notion whatsoever
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks oh? Exactly what notion did I fail to grasp? The fact that you are an ignorant fool? No, I got that right away. Now stop trolling in here and get back to the docks, I'm sure there's some sailors you still need to blow.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 what docks? do you live there, lol? By your language you pretty much fit the description. Go back to your retarded friends and NEVER EVER make any comments here or enywhere else. Suicide is always an option for you, keep that in mind!
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks No I don't live there... Please don't mistake me for one of the sailors that cums down your throat on a nightly basis... BTW - WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU TO TELL ME WHEN OR WHERE I CAN OR CANNOT MAKE COMMENTS? Go fuck yourself, or one of your faggot friends. - BTW - I notice that whenever I pose a question to you, you never have a response to that question... just idiotic responses. At least I respond to the questions put to me, then I slander you.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 geez, did you have to use the word faggot. now all those people will start to comment now.
BBSnarky90 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 "pose a question to you, you never have a response to that question" you never asked anything, you are just calling me names. so this is what you get
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks I never asked anything? BULLSHIT
I asked... "if they weren't angels, what were they"?
I also asked... "Exactly what notion did I fail to grasp"?
"You were the one who started with the insults...
"it is thousands of YEARS old!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and they sold it AGAIN! to idiots! ...like you"!
Like I said, you are pretty fucking brave, but anonymity lets ANYONE be brave, even weaklings like you, right?
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 I asked... "if they weren't angels, what were they" ok look: they were angels of course because stupid writers had no ideas at the end so they went for the very old story of angels. I don't have to answer "what were they" question because I didn't wrote the script.
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks Just read above this... YOU SAID ...
"you never asked anything, you are just calling me names"
OK - so which is it?!? did you just answer a phantom question?
If you're going to pick an on-line argument with someone... at least keep your facts straight.
BTW - YOU started the name calling in your first response to my comment (to someone else).
Don't be such a pussy keyboard warrior - I know it suits you perfectly but...
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 that wasn't a question, and if you are so smart, you can realize that your question cannot be answered, For once I did not say that they weren't angels. I said that is stupid and lazy to make them angels. so your question has no substance. understand now? high IQ dude? So yea you NEVER asked anything
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks See, that's where we disagree. The show has had religious overtones right from the very beginning. My guess, & my my girlfriend also guessed that they were Angels/agents of God.
It was a question - & a legitimate one at that.
If it wasn't a question, then why did you answer it?
Gee, you seem to be obsessed with the fact that my IQ is higher than yours. For the record, I've taken the IQ test on 3 occasions - my scores were 134, 136 (I think) and the last test I did score a 142.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 i scored 139 and one time 142 but I wont think 142 is correct. anyway I don't care that she guessed that they were angels, because this is an easy guess and a wrong guess for a show that put so much effort into showing the whole psychology of a tragedy of leaving your home with a few thousand individuals to search a new place, the whole struggle on the way the incredible realism in some cases, wonderfull music and characters, connection with science (cont)
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 (cont) and of course the salt and pepper which is religion and other things. but basically what happened in the end is, after all the struggle all the deaths all the tragedies they went trough, they just leave the fuckin battleships and send them in the Sun! and the find earth, and probably starve to death at least half of them in the first week or so. and starbuck just dissapears (angelcrap) and of course in the end the two imaginary friends were FUCKIN ANGELS... what a cooler...
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks I understand why the people would want to leave the Ships behind, like they did on New Caprica; they were basically prisoners on those ships for years, with not enough food & water, poor air quality, everyone around you has B.O. & everyday there's the threat that you could die. They didn't have a Samuel de Champlain & his "order of good cheer" to keep them in line. Flying the fleet into the sun? I would have made a small group of people get together and sabotage them instead (cont)
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks (cont) I think the people would have more resources for nutrition on Earth than they had on the ships (remember the mini-series and them discussing the food requirements just for 1 week). As far as Starbuck goes, She died, what did you think she was? Making her a cylon would have been too predictable. Her last deed was to help open up Lee's eyes to the opportunities on the new planet (Earth). She disappeared just as the "Six" and "Baltar" angels did the entire series.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 "As far as Starbuck goes, She died, what did you think she was" look you don't have to explain to me what she was, I wrote a bunch of comments now to explain to you where I stand, I think you deserve that much. Leaving technology behind is not just stupid BUT IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN! never ever! especially when you live in a constitutional democracy how they lived, will allways be people who think with their heads and not with their hearts. as for what did I think imaginary six (cont)
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks It wouldn't happen in our society because we have become so dependant on technology in our everyday lives... Most of the people in the fleet didn't really have access to the technology. They had about as much technology as you would have being a passenger on an airplane, just the clothes you are wearing and whatever luggage you may have taken with you... So Leaving behind technology that only 1% of the people in the fleet has access to is not a stretch.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 I disagree, They were an advanced society hundreds or thousands of years or more comparing to ours, they colonized planets, your statement makes no sense, we are becoming more and more dependant on technology, imagine how dependant they were, imagine how much will change our everyday life from now on, think about it, after a few hundred years we wont concieve to live without it. It's not possible, this is our evolution. And they were much more ahead of us.
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks Yes, but after the first cylon war (this is from the mini-series) humanity went backwards in technology from fear of it. They stopped networking computers and there were two schools of thoughts, those who embrace technology again and those who didn't (Rolin to Adama - "You are one of those people who are afraid...")
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 "were two schools of thoughts, those who embrace technology again and those who didn't" OF COURSE there were, you know why? because it was a democracy! and there will always be two opposite thoughts, no matter if there are 2 billion people or 2 thousand, thats why is just brainwash stupid to say that everyone hated technology from the remaining people. Just imagine yourself tommorow in the brazilian jungle, how would you survive? so maybe technology is not a bad idea after all
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks yeah - but this was the result of the technology turning on them... The technology debate wasn't there before the first cylon war
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks The Brazilian jungle argument... Sure, some people wouldn't last a single day... but some people would survive. Have you ever gone camping? (Not the bullshit camping some people do, but serious camping). I never said EVERYONE hated technology in the fleet. I'm saying that not everyone had access to it, other than being passengers on the starships. When "The Fall" happened, the people in the fleet were just A) Passengers with little luggage or B) Working on those ships (Cont)
Bawbster1 1 month ago
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@Bawbster1 "I'm saying that not everyone had access to it"I told you at least in 3 comments now that yes I think everyone had acces to it, because is inevitable! it's inevitable if you want to evolve faster than normal evolution goes, which is millions of years, so yea science technology was part of EVERYONE's life in some way or the other, not saying that everyone liked it I'm saying that everyone used it
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 (Not the bullshit camping some people do, but serious camping). you and I together, have no idea about the dangers of the jungle, one bite from a little worm or insect and you are anaconda food, in that place flies inject larva under your skin and you feel it grow inside you. if you eat the wron thing you die in terrible pain. Imagine whole earth with all the wild animals! no shelter no comunity, no guns! wtf you are dead!
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks The jungle does present a lot of dangers, Good thing they were in the plains of Africa eh? You stick people in the Jungle,m or any other harsh environment, and guess what? Some people will die and some people will survive. People living in the tropics would cringe just as much about living in the arctic. I wouldn't. I'm used to very cold weather (more harsh than I am used to, but I'd survive it).
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 It doesn't matter if they would eventualy survive in Africa or any other continent, however with very small chances. It matters only the fact that they deliberately! left technology, which is nonsense. Would be more appropriate and obvious if something unexpected happends which leaves them there,just an idea... but again, I don'thave to come up with the ideas they should have, and the religious saga at the end just completes all the crap.
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks
How can you complain about the religious saga at the end? That really puzzles me. The expression "God's plan" is heard constantly in the premiere alone. This show had a lot of religious motifs from the start.
I think that the humans deliberately abandoning their technology was actually quite believable. Never underestimate the desire for a new beginning.
KobolsHarper 1 month ago
@KobolsHarper I wrote tons of comments on this video about what you are asking, please look them up, I won't write it 100 times, thanks
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks We should just agree to disagree. I don't foresee you or I changing our minds about it.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 well we disagree, I think I made my points clear in my comments, don't have much to ad.
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks (Cont) but they all had one thing in common, most of the technology they enjoyed was destroyed in their homes during the cylon attack. Hell, people didn't even have toothpaste after a while (remember that last tube of Toothpaste). People were listening to Fleet Broadcasts with shared radios. So the choice wasn't really to leave Technology behind, but to not be prisoners aboard failing technology (certain ships FTL drives were slowing down etc...)
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 I don't see it the way you do, I mean "the last toothpaste", As I told you technology was part of their lives as medicine is part of ours, they had all the history probably on hard drives or something similar, all scientific discoveries, everything that would have made their life easier on a wild earth.
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks Just because you have the technology, doesn't mean you are "dependant on it". Think about it, After the first Cylon War, wouldn't people have figured out how to live without technology? It was stated that the Cylons almost wiped out humanity in that first war, don't you think to survive, people would have learned to be less dependant on technology, esp. after your technology both A) Turned on you and B) was all but wiped out for you to use.
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 "After the first Cylon War, wouldn't people have figured out how to live without technology?" No, when you use spaceships as they did is not exactly living without technology. And yea I understood that they were afraid of it and thought that they should get rid of it, but as I said before in their travels it was obvious that they lived in democracy so is not like the dictator says lets get rid of technology. and what about the cylons that became our ancestors practically
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks They used to live in a democracy... the fleet, as Lee put it, was no longer a democracy, but more like a "gang".
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 anyway, I guess I expected too much from them, I have to go now
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 and another thing, you didn't read my comment about dependant on technology because they were ahead of us with thousands of years. Tecnology and design and foreign materials, computers will become part of our lives our bodies, It's happening as we speak so imagine how far we will be in say 500 of years, imagine how different we will become when we live on separate planets, think about it.
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 ...and baltar was, I never "imagined" that they were angels, because is just bad for a sci-fi, very bad, is like eating a chocolate with burrito, they wont go together. they could have explained it scientifically or not explain it at all, because many things are still unexplainable especially in quantum phisics, so you have reality on your side. They don't have any excuse for the ending. only that they had to finnish it fast, and for 80% creationists in the US, I guess.
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks Religion and Science fiction usually aren't put together, except for this show, which gave BSG another quality which sets it apart from other SciFi shows. Religious themes were in BSG right from the get go - what show had you been watching for those 4 years? The Angel theme should not have come as that much of a surprise to anyone, in fact, people should've expected it. Also, It didn't give a nod to one religion over another, it just explained God as a "force of nature".
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 " it just explained God as a "force of nature". " and you find this brilliant explanation? This is the first time you hear about it? you think that the writers deserve a raise for this enlightening explanation? and yes it was a surprise for me, because of course I noticed the religion in the movie, but in my naivety I though that goes along with the exact replica of everyday life and not more, I guess I couldn't read the mediocrity between the good and the great ideas.
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks BTW - just because an idea is old doesn't make it "lazy" or bad writing. You might not have liked it, but I think including "gods", "angles" and "agents of god" in a science fiction show is quite original and in a way, brave. Me, I'm atheist but I thought the story line was great. The only thing I didn't like about the finale was the flying the fleet into the sun.
I'm curious, (seriously now) If you were writing the show, how would you have ended it and explained things?
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 I would not have made them angels of course. For start only if you look science vids on youtube you can find SO MANY diffrent theories that are arround nowadays (some of them will be gone after apparently with the help of LHC) but still! there are a lot of them and I'm not talking about only the multiple universes. Reality is even more spectacular sometimes than movies if you think about it. If you are a writer, you SHOULD get well informed before you write a SCI-FI
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 so in the end, they had to, they apparently HAD to put fuckin religion into this very well made show. Religion is arround since we came down from the trees and were scared when we saw a lightning or a snowstorm. To ANSWER EVERYTHING with the bible god and angels, is this movie is like taking a shit in the birthday cake. ruins it.
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks How does putting 'religion' ruin a show (which infers anything of the supernatural, since in no way does the show infer any organized religion is correct) ruin it? What about the ending of DS9? In essence, the gods in Bajor saved everyone.
Just because you don't WANT to see anything that infers 'religion' anywhere doesn't mean religious ideals don't make real good fiction. Just look at Kings.
jpusar 1 week ago
@dumbnetworks BTW - You commented about my comment to someone else... Mind your own fucking business cocksucker. Then you seemed to be offended that my original comment (again - to someone else) had 16 thumbs up... Boo Hoo. BTW - your suicide comment really pissed off my girlfriend... Her Aunt killed herself... She wants me to kick the shit out of you... Since I'm in Canada and you are from the Isle of Man, I don't see it happening...
Bawbster1 1 month ago
@Bawbster1 "your suicide comment really pissed off my girlfriend" that's good, because is probably in here genes, so maybe she can convince you to do it toghether, send me a pic if you do it :)
dumbnetworks 1 month ago
@dumbnetworks yeah - that was really funny - barrel of laughs aren't you? I can guarantee this... If you were standing next to me in a pub... there's no way you'd talk to me like that. You'd be missing half your teeth before you could finish your sentence.
Bawbster1 1 month ago