Kenny, good video. Dont waste too much time on the creationist cranks. let them enjoy bliss in ignorance. Keep the educational videos coming. Great job. Thanks.
Ok Here you go Kenny...Divergence between samples of chimpanzee and
human DNA sequences is 5%, counting indels" by
Roy J. Britte "Do Human and Chimpanzee DNA Indicate an Evolutionary Relationship?" by Bert Thompson, Ph.D. I must say that you "men of science" are just scared litle boys who use a gang mentality (strength in numbers) tactic when faced with questions about your very boxed in reality. I am sure you have seen by now that my comment is the most "thumbs up" on this thread. Ouch..
@cambell1308 Thanks for the source information. At no point does the first paper say anything that disagrees with the fact that we share a common ancestor with Chimps, the second source is not a scientific paper but unscientific creationist nonsense which was too poor to get through the process of peer review and as such is not worth reading.
@KennyTew2 OMG thanks for proving my point Kenny. HaHa umm. so you go to read a paper see the word Christ or creation in the side topics bar and that's enough for you to totally ignore all that information. Haha. But really thank you again for proving me right. There is not one mention of God,Christ or Creationism in that paper and it was written by 2 PHD's. But obviously Kenny your much more educated and intelligent than they are. Your starting to look pathetic Kenny.
So Random and Kenny haven't heard any response from the genetics papers I offered up as evidence...what's the matter ..cat got your tongue...I see your little mate "tacoberger" has run for the hills, guess he dosen't like retaliation LOL....but seriously what's your view on those papers?
@cambell1308 "Kenny haven't heard any response from the genetics papers I offered up as evidence."
Sorry I must have missed this, so you think you've found some scientific papers which draw conclusions which do not fit within an evolutionary perspective? What are they?
Considering that the papers were referred by somebody that I know to be an ignorant idiot(with a very childish attitude)I would suspect that said papers are not even worth wiping ones arse with.
You have not addressed any of my questions and I have answered an irritating amount of yours,so until you answer every last one of my simple & clear enquiries(all here on this very thread)why should I reply to any of yours when you both evade and refuse to answer mine?
I'm disgusted at the constant falsehoods and convoluted lies that people will adhere to in order to both bolster & embrace their respective delusions!
How can these people have so little respect for fact and truth?
The scientific method is the only hope mankind has(and ever has had)to truly understand itself and the wider universe.(Yet a large percentage of the human population still cling to age old idiocies!)
I prefer to believe in truth than the"I'm gonna spend an eternity in paradise"lies!
My good friend is a pretty much all around Conspiracy/UFO/Pseudo Scientific"Theorist" kinda guy.There are several things that annoy me about this:
1st-he's not stupid,willfully ignorant but not exactly stupid.
2nd-he always accuses me of ignorance about the ideas he embraces and refuses to believe that I have in fact looked into his points(in great detail)and simply found them to be evidentially lacking.
Lastly- all discussion/argument ends with him saying"well it's what I choose to believe!"
@cambell1308 Like most creationist assertions you start with the conclusion and ignore the evidence. If you were interested in discovering reality, instead of imposing your preconcieved ideas upon it, you would have started with a question and not a conclusion.
The relevant question is; If evolution is true, how can humans have one fewer chromosome than the rest of the apes?
Deletion? Too deliterious.
Fusion? Possible, but is there evidence to support such an hypothesis?
@KennyTew2 Hi their umm I am not a creationist or a christian so I guess your opening statement is a conclusion not a question Hmm maybe you should take your own advice. And 2 my statement is 100% correct and provable so therefore I was making a statement of fact, why would I ask a question when I know the answer?
@cambell1308 "I guess your opening statement is a conclusion"
It was a perfectly reasonable assumption, the vast majority of science deniers are creationists, But it doesnt matter either way.
"And 2 my statement is 100% correct" Nope, the first half of your statement was true, the second half (the conclusion) has been categorically proven wrong, as is clear from the paper I referred you to. You cant just ignore the evidence and bang on with assertions you now know are false.
@KennyTew2 I read the article and umm it rests on the so called "missing link" Quote "c8.1 and c29B is the relic of an ancient telomere-telomere fusion and marks the point at which two ancestral ape chromosomes fused to give rise to human chromosome 2" Ok so what where these ancestral apes? this theory rests on two ancestral apes being found with genomes that were in some state of flux or mutation so that when they cross bread the offspring went from 24 pairs to 23 pairs of chromosomes. ..
@KennyTew2 Show me the evidence of these "ancestral apes". Where is it? paleontologists have been looking for a missing link for over a century with no success. Remember that when you have eliminated the impossible what ever remains however improbable must be the truth.
Show me the evidence for(so called)intelligent design(or creationism to give it it's true title.)
"Show me the evidence of these "ancestral apes". Where is it?"
Well apart from the numerous examples in the fossil record itself we also have the science of modern genetics which unequivocally proves evolution to be a fact.
Do you have any evidence to back up(whatever it might be)you believe or for that matter any evidence against the clear truths that modern genetics have uncovered?
@RandomVortex Ok so once again I am not a christian and I do not believe that some entity created the world in 7 days, not that I would put down people with this point of view. So your saying (as is the scientific majority viewpoint) that we have evolved from hominids with no clear link to humans genetically or otherwise. That dosen't make sense. And if you truly look into this topic you will find many credible scientists that have this view ,check out forbidden archaeology for starters.
@RandomVortex I Couldnt agree more. It was when this meet head started claiming that no 'missing links' have been found that i gave up. Anyone who can comment on human evolution without researching even one of the tens of thousands of fossils covering well over 20 established hominin species is not desrving of an answer.
he came here insisting that humans could not have decended from apes due to the number of chromosomes, I showed him the eviidence that proves him wrong, and what did he do?
2) Start insisting that I find the bones of the animal in which this change first occured?!? Quite how it would be possible to know that it was the first specimen with this mutation is left undefined and quite what you can learn from this that you can not learn from the record in our DNA is left undefined. He's actually commenting as I type, posting comments that ammount to, "I know fuck all about this, theerfore I know it didnt happen"
Regarding our mutual(special needs)friend cambell1308,well of course I'm on pretty much the same page as you(so to speak.)However I do find it truly revealing to bounce a few simple honest questions off of him and his ilk,as the replies are invariably mind numbingly priceless!
My point being that whilst I share your despair at both the blatent intellectual dishonesty & general all around ignorance,his answers do tend to wonderfully betray the mindlessness of his opinions.
@KennyTew2 Oh Kenny Where did I start "Insisting" that "you" go and find bones? wow but you do have a creative imagination and your hold on insults is great. I of course don't need to find people I can gang with before I start to abuse people, I guess it's a primeval strength in numbers thing quite funny when the topic is evolution and what do you do when posed with questions (all unanswered) that dispose your paradigm? you find some friends and start insulting me. Hmm a man of science...no
@KennyTew2 The funniest thing is that I believe in evolution I just have questions because the evidence for us evolving from chimps, apes or orangutans is sparce to say the least. And your truth seeking mind can only find "your a creationist" as a response. You REALLY need to open your mind to possibilities, do you know how incredibly rare fossils are? How do you know we did not co-evolve with primates but left no fossils? what about cro mag where are his ancient fossils?.But I like your insults
@cambell1308 " what about cro mag where are his ancient fossils?." WTF?
Cro-magnon man is an early example of H sapiens, how can you claim that the fossil evidence for human evolution doesnt exist when you havent even looked?
Why not read the 'talk origins', 'fossil hominid' page to get you started if you are genuinely interested in human evolution.
I know right? And what's up with theists who won't tell you what they believe in? I mean Cambell claims not to be a christian or "creatarded" ha ha then DOESN'T tell us what he believes in! ha ha seems to be a common theme among theists. KEEP your belief a secret, while bashing others!
@RandomVortex Ahh lol anyone without your narrow view is a creationist.....haha you guys need to learn to think outside your very small box. but hey I love your lets get together and ridicule those who don't believe as we do.... RELIGION anybody.......
@KennyTew2 And yes we are related to Crog Mags as they also had 46 chroosomes. Related. they were 7 to 9 feet tall and there brains were 40cc's bigger than ours. Are you suggesting that we evolved from them?? and lost 2 feet and 40 cc's of brain matter? Really I would like to know.
Still do, because thats a reasonable estimate, none of them were nine feet tall, not a single one where on earth do you get your information from? Please give me the specimen number for any cro-magnon fossil which was 9 feet tall. They did have slightly larger brains (about 15% or 200cc) but were slightly shorter than us averaging with early Cro-Magnon at 170 cm and later at 168cm.
@KennyTew2 Also Kenny I am through with you and your little mates insulting view towards questioning that witch is taught to the masses. Did you know all people who asked questions of the establishment and where then proven right were always treated like...like.... Oh yeah like you treat me by abuse and attempted ostracization. And since I have a channel with more than ten times you views,friend and subcribers I think I'll go talk to some people who know how to think.
@cambell1308 "And yes we are related to Crog Mags as they also had 46 chroosomes. Related."
I have already shown you irrefutable evidence for a head to head telomere fusion in human chromosome 2. Unless you can refute the evidence you should accept it instead of carrying on with your ill informed assertion.
@KennyTew2 Wow your a fast reader, really both those papers and then considering them...impressive. And YES I refute it. The odds of a single human/pre-human having two genes fuse is extremely unlikely let alone a group of them all at the same time. Did they walk through a nuclear war? I mean this theory sounds like star trek or something "they were engulfed in a photon beam" hehe if that's the best you've got, then your best won't do
@cambell1308 "The odds of a single human/pre-human having two genes fuse is extremely unlikely let alone a group of them all at the same time."
Seriously now are you joking? Are you pretending to be that dumb? 1) It isn't hypothetical it is an observation. It happened get used to it. I love the bit where you know so little as to assume that the mutation would have to occur in more than one individual at the same time. Man you are great fun!
@KennyTew2 Oh Kenny brave enough to post this comment to me hey? sorry just couldn't stay away... anyway the answer is if you are so close minded as to completely dismiss a scientific paper written by 2 PHD's because the site also covers christian issues then you shorly would not research or look into ANY information that disputes you current paradigm. So why would I post it?????????????? Goodbye Kenny
@cambell1308 "the answer is if you are so close minded as to completely dismiss a scientific paper"
It isn't a scientific paper! There is a process by which something becomes a scientific paper, and the creationists try to circumvent it. I appreciate that you are not formally educated (not necessarily a bad thing) but if you were, one of your first lessons would have been on what counts as a valid source, and why work that has failed/avoided peer review is always rejected.
2) I suggest that if you bothered with the actual science instead of creationist web sites you might not make so many embarrassing mistakes. Your comments are among the most ill-informed that I have ever heard in 15 years of studying human evolution. Here are my fav's;
1) No missing link has been found,
2) Cro-magnon man was up to 9 feet tall
3) The observed telomere fusion must have happened several times simultaneously.
Please, please, please don't go, you are one funny fellow.
3) Dude you are a gem! I actually read the creationist 'article' and it was a riot! In no sense did it resemble any scientific paper that I have ever read, it didn't even have an abstract! It was kind of a rambling chat a bit like a review article except instead of accurately representing the discoveries in the scientific literature it was no more than a quote mine trawl. The half baked home truths paraded as science is the least scholarly attempt at abusing science that I have ever seen.
4) I literally pissed myself laughing at this bit,
" It is hard to resist the conclusion that something must have happened to the ancestors of Homo sapiens which did not happen to the ancestors of gorillas and chimpanzees (1989, pp. 17-18, emp. added).
That “something” actually is “Someone”—the Creator."
Of all the things that could have happened to the genome they leap without even an attempt at justification to a god! Brilliant. Got any more?
@KennyTew2 Hmm Kenny meet head really? I think you meant meat head but as I am a vegetarian (awaiting insults) I think this interpretation may be umm wrong. But what I really want to say is "tens of thousands of fossils" prove it, as you would say, that's just a blatant lie and your "evidence" one paper that was still searching for a missing link? really I'm serious Kenny REALLY you prove your "theory" is fact.
@cambell1308 " what I really want to say is "tens of thousands of fossils" prove it,"
Sure, look up the 'catalogue of fossil hominids' there are several editions, they were published in the 60's so they only include a fraction of the fossils we have today.
The idea that there are no missing links is laughable, the human fossil record is one of the most complete and if you bothered with even half an hours research you would know this.
2) Just to get you started here are some of the species names, Ardipithecus (Two species) Australopithecus afarensis, Australopithecus africanus, Sahelanthropus tchadensis, Homo habilis, Homo ergaster, Homo erectus, Homo heidelbergensis, Homo neanderthalensis, Homo floresiensis.
It takes a serious Meat head to watch a video containg about ten hominin species, none of which have ever been disputed by anyone who has ever studied them, and claim tthat none of the fossils exist!
@RandomVortex I have never stated that I don't believe in evolution! You sure do like to assume things very umm...scientific of you. You seem to attack people who ask questions or have a different viewpoint to yourself I have to let you know, this is not how learning is done, How can you learn anything new if you have all the answers? If you really think that humans are at the apex of their learning and know all their is to know on ANY subject then you are truly very mistaken.
When & where did I say you do not believe in evolution?
I made no assumptions,I merely responded to what you wrote.
whilst I'm on the subject of assumptions,where exactly did you get the idea that I think I have all the answers and what's with all of this"humans are at the apex of their learning "rubbish about?(I said no such thing,I simply discounted obvious falsehoods.)
@RandomVortex I believe there are still more questions than answers. I don't believe that a species with 23 pairs of chromosomes evolved from a creature with 24 pairs of chromosomes. I believe that the link paleontologists are trying to make between humans and hominids is flawed as it relies upon a so called missing link (or 20) that have never been found. And what about cro-magnon man? did we evolve from them? and lose 2 feet in height and 40 cc's of brain. None of this is proven it is a theory
Firstly,you simply refuse to answer even one of my clearly stated and honest questions.(despite my having addressed every last one of your mindless little enquiries!) "None of this is proven it is a theory"(you state.)
Look up what theory actually means(in the scientific sense)as you are clearly laboring under one of numerous misapprehensions!
You are an ignoramus twat and until you attempt to answer(instead of evading)every last one of my questions you can fuck off!
@RandomVortex Also what about the human Y chromsome and the fact that it's sequencesare not homologous with any other primate? what about bone density comparisons, RH- blood type, all the way down to our hair patterns, humans most on front little on back primates most on back little on front. Their are far to many inconsistencies, genetic differences and lack missing "evidence" for these "theories" to be considered facts.
@RandomVortex OK Random so as I'm not a proponent of intelligent design I will not answer that one, The numerous evidence for ancestral apes would not even fill a coffin, that's the truth. So for so much theory to be wrapped around these less than meager finds and then proffesing them as truth is a bit of a stretch. and as for DNA evidence of course check out these two papers" Divergence between samples of chimpanzee and
For the last time,I never(at any point)claimed you were a proponent of ID(as I clearly mentioned before!)This is simply yet another example of your tendency toward misconception.
You talk utter rubbish and it is a waste of time discussing matters with people like you.
@RandomVortex Show me the evidence for(so called)intelligent design(or creationism to give it it's true title.) your words my point you are very judgemental
@cambell1308 Oh Random I couldn't leave without enlightening you to the answer of your final question. The reason I do not villifie and abuse people who have differing views to me ( wrong in your eyes) is that I am not so arrogant as to mislead myself that I have all the answers. I could be wrong on some or all parts and all efforts to show up other people would only result in closing my mind to potential and possibilities. Thus rendering me more incapable of an honest view point.
@RandomVortex O Random you are such a hypocrite, I have asked you questions which you have completey avoided yet you continually urge me to answer yous. You even came onto my channel and asked why I wouldn't answr your questions. Dude do you really think that the world or I owe you any answers ??? really. I must say though that I am glad that I am somehow so magnetic yo you that you have not stopped petering me for a week over ! comment. Really? Maybe you should look inside for your answers.
So you are a conscious fraud and liar(I thought as much.)
Anybody who cares to read through this thread will discover you are lying(although a glance at pretty much any of your comments will prove that.)
I have merely responded to your idiotic comments.
The only reason I have bothered to engage you at all is to expose the idiocy and hypocrisy of people like you(and thank you very much as you've done me proud!)
@RandomVortex Omg Random go drink beer and chase pussy (as your profile states you love to do) and while your their get a life dude, I'm using mine. But I'm glad that i'm so intensely interesting to you but alas you are very boring as all you do is repeat yourself.
@RandomVortex No I retort you kindly go and fuck yourself you narrow minded, abusive, shallow, I only believe what I'm told mentality, pathetic, still single at 37 (but chasing pussy LOL) complete waste of space and air and other valuable resources , no life, no mind, no vision, scared little slave human...........WAKE UP.......contact me again and I'll block and report you. GET A LIFE
Your mum is a dirty slut wot smells like shit!(just thought I'd dive down to your sub-silly level for a moment.)I suppose when I said go away and stop bothering me you must have somehow misinterpreted my request...
Would you kindly please block me!(as then I can be certain that you shall bother me no more.)or by all means report me,as I would be interested to see how that might pan out.(in short)leave me alone,you weird dip-shitting hypocrisy riddled little wank fuck!
@cambell1308 "you narrow minded" Christianity all the way! "abusive" Believe or burn in hell! "shallow" Our gods better then your god! "I only believe what I'm told mentality" God is real! " pathetic" repent to god my son, NOT the one you've harmed."complete waste of space and air" Every Sunday you live... "no life, no mind, no vision" Whatever the fuck that means ha ha. "scared little slave human" Glory to God!
Ha ha ha does theism GET more ironic and contradictory???? ha ha ha
@TacoBurgher327 HAHA you shill if you bothered to read (if you can) I am not a christian or a follower of any organized religion But what I love about ignorant people like you is your transparency. You are so shallow that you need to categorize someone before you can object to them , LMAO, because you do not posses the cognitive function to actually raise an argument, and you call me abusive. Check your own post you hate monger.
@cambell1308 "You are so shallow that you need to categorize someone before you can object to them"
Um, no, crazy person. Ha ha ha i just want to know WHAT you believe and WHY... Is that such a bad thing? Do you REALLY think i CARE what religion you are? ha ha ha their ALL made up fairy tales for grown ups to accept their inevitable death. So fine, don't tell anyone what you believe, all you're doing is PROVING you have no idea what you're talking about...
@TacoBurgher327 Oh Taco I'm responding because your intelligence, or rather lack of it is really funny to me. So for the third time I am not a follower of religion although I know you really want me to be...Sorry. You just have umm how do we say ..issues. But I am curious as to why MY beliefs are so important to YOU??? Low self esteem? mother issues? or bullied at school maybe?. Either way I don't know you and so take your hate elsewhere and stop projecting YOUR shit on people..GROW UP.
@cambell1308 " But I am curious as to why MY beliefs are so important to YOU???"
Ha ha you confuse curiosity with importance. AGAIN, I could care less what you believe, but YOU started bashing atheists as if you had any idea about us. Forgive me for assuming you had some kind of theistic belief.
Again, it doesn't matter what you believe, as you revert to ad hominid attacks when you assert various topics, such as "why MY beliefs are so important to YOU?"
@TacoBurgher327 Thanks for proving my point that can not think. All you can do0 is repost my statements. That's so embarrassing. Now go away and play hate games with youir little friends because that's what will help the world not discussion RIGHT!! ....you bore me so much....
@cambell1308 "because you do not posses the cognitive function to actually raise an argument, and you call me abusive."
One, if I don't know YOUR side of the arguemtn, HOW can I raise arguments of my own? Do tell... and two, NO, i never called YOU abusive, YOU accused ME of being abusive and I simply asked WHERE i was being abusive.
I'll let you take a lesson from yourself: "if you bothered to read (if you can)" HA ha ha
@TacoBurgher327 I was abusive once to "Randomvortex" after recieving Many abusive posts over 1 comment (some from you) AS WAS MY RIGHT OF REPLY. You are obviously an angry young person looking to lash out rather than learn. I only feel pity for you.
@RandomVortex Also look at "Do Human and Chimpanzee DNA Indicate an Evolutionary Relationship?" by Bert Thompson, Ph.D.
Brad Harrub, Ph.D. if your interested. Oh and thanks for all the abuse good to know that when people oppose your "scientific" views you respond with insults. I especially liked it when you teamed up with your little friends and you all abused and swore at me ...Awesome. That little episode says volumes about you and nothing about me.
I advise NO ONE to engage JungleJargon in discussion. You will constantly prove his points wrong, he will ignore your questions to him, he won't give sources, and he uses logic such as "evolution says deer become whales."
I'm warning everywhere this guy posts, because, trust me, he isn't worth it....
@RandomVortex Dude, all these "cretards" have no understanding how BASIC science works, let alone something as complex as evolution. They don't know what falsifying means, nor do they care. All they wanna do is preach THEIR particular religion, and frankly I'm sick and tired of it. These people get under my skin so bad, then they want respect? Ha ha atheists know more about their cult then THEY do!
@TacoBurgher327 Ohh you poor creature, have you not read any of my posts I am not a christian or a believer in creationalism, why don't you learn to read before making your scared abusive comments.
Don't remember asking for your sympathy.... but ok!
"I am not a christian or a believer in creationalism,"
When did I say you were?
" why don't you learn to read before making your scared abusive comments."
Scared AND abusive eh?? ha ha care to give the example of WHERE i gave a scared and/or abusive comment ha ha ha seems YOU'RE the one getting pissed at things people don't claim ha ha ha proof or shutup!
@JungleJargon "There are no "links" between apes and anything else before them either."
Stop telling lies, there are many. Off the top of my head I can think of Proconsil Africanus and Dryopithecus.
"no link between reptiles and mammals."
Wow you are a serious dumb ass. Did you even consider doing any research before spewing your lies? Look up mammal evolution, mammal like reptiles and the evolution of the mammalian middle ear.
@JungleJargon "it requires more than 40,000 ordered consecutive changes that are not reversed."
OK, first please refer me to a source of infomation where this made up number can be varified, 40,000 changes between what? One species of fruit fly and another? T Rex and a worm? You are just talking utter shit.
But lets go with your made up number, can you identify a mechnaism which prevents changes building up over time? If so well done, publish it and collect your nobel prize!
@JungleJargon "That is just it, there is no mechanism for any of those changes to ever happen"
Once more I have listed the mechanisms, your failure to understand well established science is unsurprising.
"Limited information in the genome means the possible alterations are limited"
Why oh why do you people never bother to read anything on the subject before commenting. To understand science you will need to read some. Get an education and stop telling lies.
@KennyTew2 Mutations do not order anything so how can they "build up"?
You listed nothing. Mutations never order anything insertions never order anything unless they are already compatible. Natural selection can only select what has already been ordered by the genome.
The genome does have limited information and the possible variations are limited to the limited amount of information in the genome. Variations not possible never happen.
@JungleJargon I listed several types of mutation all of wich are well documented and understood and all of which represent a change in DNA. Mutations frequently change the read order of DNA, have you ever heard of a frameshift mutation? and frequently produce completely new streches of DNA, duplications combined with point mutations and frameshift mutations.
Constantly repeating that well established observed facts, never happen, highlights both your ignorance and unwillingness to learn.
@JungleJargon "The genome already has backup duplicate information and that does not change what it is.
"
It is a simple well documented fact that the genome does not simply mix with each generation, but it changes. On average humans have about 120 mutations each which are permenent changes to the DNA line. Theer is no storred hard copy of the pre mtation DNA, but if you think there is, please point to its location and the scientific paper wheer this was established.
@JungleJargon "You don't even know that evolution does indeed teach that a deer or cow eventually become a whale."
Just out of sheer curiosity, how do you think deer and cows eventually become whales?? You claim I have no idea about evolution, so naturally, YOU do, right? So explain JUST HOW the scientists are telling us cows become whales??? As I've asked before, please explain what it is YOU think evolution does.....
@JungleJargon " You don't even know that evolution does indeed teach that a deer or cow eventually become a whale."
.... Wow, ok, scientists say whales, deer, MAMMALS in general, share a COMMON ANCESTOR. This in NO WAY, SHAPE, or FORM means that deer were ONCE whales, it doesn't mean whales will BECOME deer, It means whales and deer share a COMMON ANCESTOR. That's it...
Claiming deer can become whales is literally one of the dumbest things i have ever heard and SHOWS your ignorance....
@JungleJargon " A deer becoming a whale is an evolutionary claim. "
You are cut... I will not continue to argue with someone as ignorant as you have shown to be. Evolution states common ancestry, and because you simply don't understand what that means, shows the ignorance and unwillingness to learn.
You aren't even giving the what species of deer magically transform into what species of whale, or what the scientists say... Your simply "saying" and i'm over it....
@JungleJargon "It is your belief that objects made you what you are."
DURRRR, MY PARENTS MADE ME WHAT I AM TODAY..... ha ha ha AGAIN, I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT "OBJECTS" ARE..... did caps help get the point through that brainless skull of your's??Ironically, I ALSO pointed out the fact, YOU actually believe magical objects came from somewhere and created us, remember?? That's what YOUR claiming... NOT ME...God you are so stupid...
@JungleJargon We get it... no one can, nor will ever show or give you examples... we GET it... You're like a broken record bro... If you honestly want to think the greatest minds on the planet say "whales become beer" then you go right ahead... You're cut from ANY further intelligent conversation...
@JungleJargon "Anyone can make a strawman like you did and knock it down."
I KNOW... I GET IT... YOU have already told everyone "No one can prove me wrong when i'm right." And NATURALLY, you're 100% correct about EVERYTHING, so we CAN'T prove you wrong. Like I said... WE GET IT...
"You are not even trying to address the issues."
I TRIED to adress the issue... you're UNWILLING to listen.... I GET IT...
@JungleJargon "Your "greatest minds on the planet" say objects made us what we are."
I asked what the FUCK "objects" are... I also stated NO SCIENTIST EVER stated magical OBJECTS "make us what we are"... AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THAT MEANS.... MY PARENTS MADE ME WHAT I AM TODAY....
And WE GET IT... how many times do you want to hear it?? WE GET THAT NO ONE WILL EVER CONVINCE YOU OF YOUR PRESUPPOSITION.... WE GET IT....
@JungleJargon I mean, for some LOGICAL reason you made up in your head, it's OKAY for you to say WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT... Objects make us, function is only a function when we dictate, scientists say deer become whales eventually... WE GET IT... YOU GET TO SAY WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT WITHOUT PROOF OR EVIDENCE, yet when someone give you, lets say OBSERVED, PEER REVIEWED examples of speciation, you IGNORE it... WE GET IT... It's US, not you... WE KNOW... Jesus, will you shut up now?
@TacoBurgher327 I couldnt agree more. I was going to explain the odds of approximately 120 genetic mutations, 'reverting back in a single generation' but he would never understand it, and even if he did understand he would simply ignore the facts. I guess there was a clue to his dishonesty/ignorance when he called well observed facts impossible without ever checking the facts or offering any reason why they are impossible. Im done with this nut job.
@KennyTew2 Ya, I have told him I'm a horticulturist, amateur, but still, and have used evolution to help create strands of strawberries and egg plant that is literally, my own plant species... I mean, all he has to do is grow a garden and he could test evolution. Numerous people have tried to show him his illogical nature, his flat out wrong information, and people have tried to understand what he's talking about, but JJ is just unwilling to to give ANY information out...
@KennyTew2 Variations and mutations are not the same thing and it is still only the possible variations that are happening with the limited information available.
Evolution is very questionable. The probability that we have a Maker is so much more likely.
@JungleJargon You offer no evidence to support any of your assertions despite being asked several times. What you say has been refuted time and time again and there is no mechanism preventing the inevitable and constant change we observe in the human genome. The simple fact that your ancestors can be traced through your genome could only be possible if the genome changed in different ways around the world.
@JungleJargon "The days are numbered for evolution when our genome proves that we all came from Adam and Eve."
Every single study ever written on the subjecty of DNA has either not addressed evolution, or found evidence supporting it, literally tens iof thousands of pieces of genetic evidence all telling the same story and hundreds of which already prove the fact that Adam and Eve did not exist.
"There is noting you can say." There is much I can say, but no point saying it to you.
@KennyTew2 If you could prove objects made you what you are, you would have presented the evidence already. You did not because there is no evidence for the magic you believe.
The have mapped DNA and they already know who came from which son of Noah.
@JungleJargon "If you could prove objects made you what you are, you would have presented the evidence already"
I already did, the word object is so loosely defined that it includes pretty much anything real, and even includes imaginary things like your god in the objects of thought category.
"The have mapped DNA and they already know who came from which son of Noah"
Wow, I';ve read many studies on DNA mapping and not a single one mentioned sons of Noah at all. In fact they all pointed to human origins in Africa long before the mythical events of the bible.
"You can read my paper if they ever have the courage to publish it." Oh Hilarious! Which Journals have you sent it to? And could you please forward their rejections to me so I can read their reasons for rejecting your work.
@KennyTew2 The largest percentage of people are descendants of Ham which includes Africans. Japethites are the Europeans and Asians which also have Neanderthal DNA. The Shem ites are Jews Arabs and other Semites.
I have had one rejection so far. It read: "though interesting, is not within the scope of" the Journal.
I pointed out that the bubble and string theories are not within the realm of science.
@TacoBurgher327 You failed show any peer review of anything. Saying something is peer reviewed does not prove anything. In fact, very little actually proves anything at all. Everything we say and do is based on some kind of reason and if the reason is flawed, the actions are wrong.
You cannot prove to me, with peer review, that objects made you what you are, yet that is what you believe without peer reviewed evidence.
You're talking for the sake of speaking your mind which also proves nothing.
@JungleJargon "You failed show any peer review of anything. "
Bro, I've given you so much information to look up regarding evolution it's not even worth it. A two second google search for " Observed speciation" would do you WONDERS. You're cut, remember? I haven't read on past that sentence, so don't bother. You're cut. I will dedicate my ENTIRE youtube account to seeing where you post, and telling them you think evolution stated deer turns into whales. Don't talk to me, don't bother...
@TacoBurgher327 They do think a deer like creature turned into a whale. I did not make that up. They have to believe it because that is what evolution is. You believe it too. You believe that objects made you what you are and there is no evidence to support such a belief.
The variation of species does not equate to evolution of a lizard becoming a mammal.
You believe objects made you what you are and that is not possible.
@JungleJargon "They do think a deer like creature turned into a whale. I did not make that up."
I don't understand what YOU don't get about the fact that I cut you? You are NO LONGER worthy of intelligent conversation? What don't you get? You have NO UNDERSTANDING of evolution. Read a book and stop talking to me.... YOU'RE CUT.......
@JungleJargon "You believe objects made you what you are and that is not possible." AND ON THE FIFTH VIDEO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I MuST AGAIN, REPEAT MYSELF. FOR THE ONE BILLION AND FIFTH TIME, I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT "OBJECTS" ARE...... YOU'RE CUT..... STOP TALKING TO ME......
Sorry bout the caps everyone else, he just doesn't ever listen, nor care. Figured caps may help him....
@JungleJargon Your stupidity seems to know no bounds. I respond this one extra time since the stupidity of this, "Objects did not make you what you are." was irresistable!
Since object can be defined thus, "a thing, person, or matter to which thought or action is directed" It is clear that both of my parebts are 'objects', therefore one of the only things I can know about that nature of my existance is that objects made me what I am.
@JungleJargon " You don't know what objects are and you are trying to tell me something.
Objects did not make you what you are."
Yea, see when you make up words and facts, no one understands what you're talking about.... I'll direct you to KennyTew's answer "It is clear that both of my parebts are 'objects', therefore one of the only things I can know about that nature of my existance is that objects made me what I am."
@TacoBurgher327 "Sorry bout the caps everyone else, he just doesn't ever listen, nor care. Figured caps may help him...." I think he might be beyond help. The indoctrination is complete, the brain is washed. He starts with the assumption that Adam and Eve existed and ignores all evidence to the contrary. Personally it wouldnt take more than a few scientific papers to change my mind on any subject. Thats the difference between evidence based conclusions and religious conclusions.
@JungleJargon This is the most laughable set of evidence I have seen. I'm sorry but I can't believe you can believe in evolution because of some skulls, don't you think there are variations od humans and apes (just like there are today) That does not mean we were monkeys and they sure have a hard time coming up with anything but bone fragments. Oh and flat face man was proved to just be a man with osteoporosis.
@nacho2354 You failed to even address any of the issues.
Evolution doesn't even almost happen because there is no mechanism to order any other kind of information than the limited information that the genome already has.
@JungleJargon " there is no mechanism to order any other kind of information than the limited information that the genome already has."
I assume that english is your second language, but are you seriously saying that there is no known mechanism which creates new genetic information, or more importantly, phenotypes? Seriously? You didnt even bother to read the first chapter of genetics 101 before commenting? What about point mutations, deletions, frame shift mutations and insertions?
@KennyTew2 None of the changes alterations or additions order anything in the genome unless the information is already compatilble with the information already in the genome and if the information is compatible, it is not going to significantly change anything.
You really do need to understand that there is no mechanism for evolution because "natural selection" will only select what has already been ordered by the genome. The variations are what the genome does from preexisting information.
@JungleJargon As usual for a creationist you are talking errant nonsense. Mutations will be positively selected for when they confer an advantage, they will be eliminated if they confer a disadvantage and will be subject to the principles of genetic drift if they are neutral.
"The variations are what the genome does from preexisting information."
The stupid! It burns!! I have already listed well established mechanisms which prove this idiocy wrong.
@KennyTew2 Your rare positive mutations can be reversed or eliminated just as easily as they supposedly occur and does not equate to 40,000 consecutive morphological ordered changes that are needed.
Your belief is all fantasy with no reality backing it up.
You never proved that mutations order anything in the genome. Natural selection can only select what has already been ordered by the genome.
Bones .. and yet more bones. None of these can be proved to be of human origin. All these so-called experts try to fool us by inventing fanciful names using as many letters of the alphabet as they can .. ending in sis, lis, nus, sei to make them sound credible and authentic. Here is some news - humans have always been humans and only reproduce according to their own kind. Same goes for apes. If there ever were superior ape-men .. where are they? Apes still exist! Ha! ha!
@Tony07UK Who could possibly argue with such an evidence based and well reasoned argument? All you will need to do to continue making such a fool of yourself in scientific discussions is ensure that you only ever comment upon subjects where you haven't bothered with even a moments actual learning. Thanks for the laughs, and keep up the good work.
@KennyTew2 No evidence here .. just fake pics. Not really scientific is it? Artistic license is not evidence. Do you understand the 'scientific method' - go back to school and learn the basics. Science should be testable.
These are all photos of actual fossils, all of which have been studied by many of the worlds leading anatomists. Many of these fossils are on display in museums around the world for anyone actually interested in evidence to see, but if you can tell me which of the photos are 'fake' I will gladly label them as such.
"Artistic license is not evidence."
I couldn't agree more, can you please refer me to a single scientific paper where it is represented as such?
@Tony07UK "Do you understand the 'scientific method' - go back to school and learn the basics. Science should be testable."
Can you please give me an example of any aspect of the theory of evolution which is not testable, and also let me know why you have ignored the thousands of scientific papers which have tested aspects of evolutionary theory and never found it wanting.
@Tony07UK "Apes still exist". C'mon. It is ok for you to have your own opinion. But if you really want to discuss this issue, please, get some education on the topic first. And be aware: There is more that just fossils. The genetic knowledge of today alone is enogh evidence for common ancestry.
I think creationists just presume when scientists find a fossil, they instantly make up what it is or where it could have come from. I think they are unaware of HOW actually scientists come to their conclusions.
@flintrox I accept the many hundreds of convergent results demonstrating the age of the earth, (Billions by the way) while you believe in a talking snake because a single self contradictory text written by bronze age nomads tells you too.
I note that you have not presented a single piece of evidence against the theory of evolution, geology cosmology or atomic theory, all of which contradict a young earth.
What debunked crap do you want to present first? Lord Kelvin? Magnetic field?
@KennyTew2 All true scientific evidence supports the creation and the flood. You have been duped like many millions of people into believing the lie. You cant change the history of the world. What took place cant be changed.
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equallyeasilyfuqyou 1 month ago
Kenny, good video. Dont waste too much time on the creationist cranks. let them enjoy bliss in ignorance. Keep the educational videos coming. Great job. Thanks.
ofosusam 1 month ago
@ofosusam Thanks, I try not to waste too much time these days.
KennyTew2 1 month ago
Ok Here you go Kenny...Divergence between samples of chimpanzee and
human DNA sequences is 5%, counting indels" by
Roy J. Britte "Do Human and Chimpanzee DNA Indicate an Evolutionary Relationship?" by Bert Thompson, Ph.D. I must say that you "men of science" are just scared litle boys who use a gang mentality (strength in numbers) tactic when faced with questions about your very boxed in reality. I am sure you have seen by now that my comment is the most "thumbs up" on this thread. Ouch..
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308 Thanks for the source information. At no point does the first paper say anything that disagrees with the fact that we share a common ancestor with Chimps, the second source is not a scientific paper but unscientific creationist nonsense which was too poor to get through the process of peer review and as such is not worth reading.
KennyTew2 1 month ago 3
@KennyTew2 OMG thanks for proving my point Kenny. HaHa umm. so you go to read a paper see the word Christ or creation in the side topics bar and that's enough for you to totally ignore all that information. Haha. But really thank you again for proving me right. There is not one mention of God,Christ or Creationism in that paper and it was written by 2 PHD's. But obviously Kenny your much more educated and intelligent than they are. Your starting to look pathetic Kenny.
cambell1308 1 month ago
So Random and Kenny haven't heard any response from the genetics papers I offered up as evidence...what's the matter ..cat got your tongue...I see your little mate "tacoberger" has run for the hills, guess he dosen't like retaliation LOL....but seriously what's your view on those papers?
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308 "Kenny haven't heard any response from the genetics papers I offered up as evidence."
Sorry I must have missed this, so you think you've found some scientific papers which draw conclusions which do not fit within an evolutionary perspective? What are they?
KennyTew2 1 month ago
@cambell1308
Considering that the papers were referred by somebody that I know to be an ignorant idiot(with a very childish attitude)I would suspect that said papers are not even worth wiping ones arse with.
You have not addressed any of my questions and I have answered an irritating amount of yours,so until you answer every last one of my simple & clear enquiries(all here on this very thread)why should I reply to any of yours when you both evade and refuse to answer mine?
RandomVortex 1 month ago
this was very good thank you for the video
spareld 1 month ago
I'm disgusted at the constant falsehoods and convoluted lies that people will adhere to in order to both bolster & embrace their respective delusions!
How can these people have so little respect for fact and truth?
The scientific method is the only hope mankind has(and ever has had)to truly understand itself and the wider universe.(Yet a large percentage of the human population still cling to age old idiocies!)
I prefer to believe in truth than the"I'm gonna spend an eternity in paradise"lies!
RandomVortex 1 month ago
My good friend is a pretty much all around Conspiracy/UFO/Pseudo Scientific"Theorist" kinda guy.There are several things that annoy me about this:
1st-he's not stupid,willfully ignorant but not exactly stupid.
2nd-he always accuses me of ignorance about the ideas he embraces and refuses to believe that I have in fact looked into his points(in great detail)and simply found them to be evidentially lacking.
Lastly- all discussion/argument ends with him saying"well it's what I choose to believe!"
RandomVortex 1 month ago
Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes ALL Hominids have 24 pairs. We Are Not Related.
cambell1308 2 months ago
@cambell1308 Like most creationist assertions you start with the conclusion and ignore the evidence. If you were interested in discovering reality, instead of imposing your preconcieved ideas upon it, you would have started with a question and not a conclusion.
The relevant question is; If evolution is true, how can humans have one fewer chromosome than the rest of the apes?
Deletion? Too deliterious.
Fusion? Possible, but is there evidence to support such an hypothesis?
KennyTew2 2 months ago
2) "Origin of human chromosome 2: an ancestral telomere-telomere fusion"
There are two possible explanations of the facts,
Either
1) Human Chromosome 2 is the direct result of a fusion between two primate chromosomes,
2) A deceptive designer deliberately designed human DNA to look exactly like it woudl if it had evolved.
KennyTew2 2 months ago
@KennyTew2 Hi their umm I am not a creationist or a christian so I guess your opening statement is a conclusion not a question Hmm maybe you should take your own advice. And 2 my statement is 100% correct and provable so therefore I was making a statement of fact, why would I ask a question when I know the answer?
cambell1308 2 months ago
@cambell1308 "I guess your opening statement is a conclusion"
It was a perfectly reasonable assumption, the vast majority of science deniers are creationists, But it doesnt matter either way.
"And 2 my statement is 100% correct" Nope, the first half of your statement was true, the second half (the conclusion) has been categorically proven wrong, as is clear from the paper I referred you to. You cant just ignore the evidence and bang on with assertions you now know are false.
KennyTew2 2 months ago 3
@KennyTew2 I read the article and umm it rests on the so called "missing link" Quote "c8.1 and c29B is the relic of an ancient telomere-telomere fusion and marks the point at which two ancestral ape chromosomes fused to give rise to human chromosome 2" Ok so what where these ancestral apes? this theory rests on two ancestral apes being found with genomes that were in some state of flux or mutation so that when they cross bread the offspring went from 24 pairs to 23 pairs of chromosomes. ..
cambell1308 2 months ago
@KennyTew2 Show me the evidence of these "ancestral apes". Where is it? paleontologists have been looking for a missing link for over a century with no success. Remember that when you have eliminated the impossible what ever remains however improbable must be the truth.
cambell1308 2 months ago
@cambell1308
Show me the evidence for(so called)intelligent design(or creationism to give it it's true title.)
"Show me the evidence of these "ancestral apes". Where is it?"
Well apart from the numerous examples in the fossil record itself we also have the science of modern genetics which unequivocally proves evolution to be a fact.
Do you have any evidence to back up(whatever it might be)you believe or for that matter any evidence against the clear truths that modern genetics have uncovered?
RandomVortex 1 month ago
@RandomVortex Ok so once again I am not a christian and I do not believe that some entity created the world in 7 days, not that I would put down people with this point of view. So your saying (as is the scientific majority viewpoint) that we have evolved from hominids with no clear link to humans genetically or otherwise. That dosen't make sense. And if you truly look into this topic you will find many credible scientists that have this view ,check out forbidden archaeology for starters.
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308
I think you should re-read my comments as I made my case very clearly.
"That dosen't make sense."(you claimed.)
All I can say is that this statement largely reflects your lack of understanding and the onus is on you to disprove what is well established fact.
"I do not believe that some entity created the world in 7 days, not that I would put down people with this point of view."
Why not?(if you believe it to be false then why would you not criticise it?)
RandomVortex 1 month ago
@RandomVortex I Couldnt agree more. It was when this meet head started claiming that no 'missing links' have been found that i gave up. Anyone who can comment on human evolution without researching even one of the tens of thousands of fossils covering well over 20 established hominin species is not desrving of an answer.
he came here insisting that humans could not have decended from apes due to the number of chromosomes, I showed him the eviidence that proves him wrong, and what did he do?
KennyTew2 1 month ago
2) Start insisting that I find the bones of the animal in which this change first occured?!? Quite how it would be possible to know that it was the first specimen with this mutation is left undefined and quite what you can learn from this that you can not learn from the record in our DNA is left undefined. He's actually commenting as I type, posting comments that ammount to, "I know fuck all about this, theerfore I know it didnt happen"
I now treat them with the contempt they deserve.
KennyTew2 1 month ago
@KennyTew2
Regarding our mutual(special needs)friend cambell1308,well of course I'm on pretty much the same page as you(so to speak.)However I do find it truly revealing to bounce a few simple honest questions off of him and his ilk,as the replies are invariably mind numbingly priceless!
My point being that whilst I share your despair at both the blatent intellectual dishonesty & general all around ignorance,his answers do tend to wonderfully betray the mindlessness of his opinions.
RandomVortex 1 month ago 2
@KennyTew2 Oh Kenny Where did I start "Insisting" that "you" go and find bones? wow but you do have a creative imagination and your hold on insults is great. I of course don't need to find people I can gang with before I start to abuse people, I guess it's a primeval strength in numbers thing quite funny when the topic is evolution and what do you do when posed with questions (all unanswered) that dispose your paradigm? you find some friends and start insulting me. Hmm a man of science...no
cambell1308 1 month ago
@KennyTew2 The funniest thing is that I believe in evolution I just have questions because the evidence for us evolving from chimps, apes or orangutans is sparce to say the least. And your truth seeking mind can only find "your a creationist" as a response. You REALLY need to open your mind to possibilities, do you know how incredibly rare fossils are? How do you know we did not co-evolve with primates but left no fossils? what about cro mag where are his ancient fossils?.But I like your insults
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308 " what about cro mag where are his ancient fossils?." WTF?
Cro-magnon man is an early example of H sapiens, how can you claim that the fossil evidence for human evolution doesnt exist when you havent even looked?
Why not read the 'talk origins', 'fossil hominid' page to get you started if you are genuinely interested in human evolution.
KennyTew2 1 month ago
@KennyTew2
I suspect cambell1308 may be a closet creationist.(he does have all of the markers;)
RandomVortex 1 month ago
@RandomVortex "he does have all of the markers;)"
I know right? And what's up with theists who won't tell you what they believe in? I mean Cambell claims not to be a christian or "creatarded" ha ha then DOESN'T tell us what he believes in! ha ha seems to be a common theme among theists. KEEP your belief a secret, while bashing others!
TacoBurgher327 1 month ago 3
@RandomVortex Ahh lol anyone without your narrow view is a creationist.....haha you guys need to learn to think outside your very small box. but hey I love your lets get together and ridicule those who don't believe as we do.... RELIGION anybody.......
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308
So why not simply state what you believe then?(it's OK I do not expect an answer as you have dodged every single one I've asked so far.)
Do you perhaps believe ignorance is really bliss?
RandomVortex 1 month ago
@KennyTew2 And yes we are related to Crog Mags as they also had 46 chroosomes. Related. they were 7 to 9 feet tall and there brains were 40cc's bigger than ours. Are you suggesting that we evolved from them?? and lost 2 feet and 40 cc's of brain matter? Really I would like to know.
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308 "they were 7 to 9 feet tall"
Fucking hilarious!
"You claimed tens of thousands"
Still do, because thats a reasonable estimate, none of them were nine feet tall, not a single one where on earth do you get your information from? Please give me the specimen number for any cro-magnon fossil which was 9 feet tall. They did have slightly larger brains (about 15% or 200cc) but were slightly shorter than us averaging with early Cro-Magnon at 170 cm and later at 168cm.
KennyTew2 1 month ago
@KennyTew2 Also Kenny I am through with you and your little mates insulting view towards questioning that witch is taught to the masses. Did you know all people who asked questions of the establishment and where then proven right were always treated like...like.... Oh yeah like you treat me by abuse and attempted ostracization. And since I have a channel with more than ten times you views,friend and subcribers I think I'll go talk to some people who know how to think.
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308 "And yes we are related to Crog Mags as they also had 46 chroosomes. Related."
I have already shown you irrefutable evidence for a head to head telomere fusion in human chromosome 2. Unless you can refute the evidence you should accept it instead of carrying on with your ill informed assertion.
KennyTew2 1 month ago
@KennyTew2 Wow your a fast reader, really both those papers and then considering them...impressive. And YES I refute it. The odds of a single human/pre-human having two genes fuse is extremely unlikely let alone a group of them all at the same time. Did they walk through a nuclear war? I mean this theory sounds like star trek or something "they were engulfed in a photon beam" hehe if that's the best you've got, then your best won't do
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308 "The odds of a single human/pre-human having two genes fuse is extremely unlikely let alone a group of them all at the same time."
Seriously now are you joking? Are you pretending to be that dumb? 1) It isn't hypothetical it is an observation. It happened get used to it. I love the bit where you know so little as to assume that the mutation would have to occur in more than one individual at the same time. Man you are great fun!
KennyTew2 1 month ago
Perhaps thats why your channel has so many views, no one can resist looking at a car wreck!
Still waiting for the reference to the giant cro-magnon fossil. All I need is the catalogue number.
KennyTew2 1 month ago
@KennyTew2 Oh Kenny brave enough to post this comment to me hey? sorry just couldn't stay away... anyway the answer is if you are so close minded as to completely dismiss a scientific paper written by 2 PHD's because the site also covers christian issues then you shorly would not research or look into ANY information that disputes you current paradigm. So why would I post it?????????????? Goodbye Kenny
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308 "the answer is if you are so close minded as to completely dismiss a scientific paper"
It isn't a scientific paper! There is a process by which something becomes a scientific paper, and the creationists try to circumvent it. I appreciate that you are not formally educated (not necessarily a bad thing) but if you were, one of your first lessons would have been on what counts as a valid source, and why work that has failed/avoided peer review is always rejected.
KennyTew2 1 month ago
2) I suggest that if you bothered with the actual science instead of creationist web sites you might not make so many embarrassing mistakes. Your comments are among the most ill-informed that I have ever heard in 15 years of studying human evolution. Here are my fav's;
1) No missing link has been found,
2) Cro-magnon man was up to 9 feet tall
3) The observed telomere fusion must have happened several times simultaneously.
Please, please, please don't go, you are one funny fellow.
KennyTew2 1 month ago
3) Dude you are a gem! I actually read the creationist 'article' and it was a riot! In no sense did it resemble any scientific paper that I have ever read, it didn't even have an abstract! It was kind of a rambling chat a bit like a review article except instead of accurately representing the discoveries in the scientific literature it was no more than a quote mine trawl. The half baked home truths paraded as science is the least scholarly attempt at abusing science that I have ever seen.
KennyTew2 1 month ago
4) I literally pissed myself laughing at this bit,
" It is hard to resist the conclusion that something must have happened to the ancestors of Homo sapiens which did not happen to the ancestors of gorillas and chimpanzees (1989, pp. 17-18, emp. added).
That “something” actually is “Someone”—the Creator."
Of all the things that could have happened to the genome they leap without even an attempt at justification to a god! Brilliant. Got any more?
KennyTew2 1 month ago
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@cambell1308
"because the evidence for us evolving from chimps, apes or orangutans is sparce to say the least."
So it should be(as we did not evolve from the afore mentioned primates.)
You really have no clue what you are talking about!
RandomVortex 1 month ago
@cambell1308
anybody with even a rudimentary understanding of evolution could not have written your last(self contradictory)comment.
You never did answer why it is you would not criticise that which(you yourself said,)you do not believe in(ID creationism,etc...)
Why is that?
RandomVortex 1 month ago
@KennyTew2 Hmm Kenny meet head really? I think you meant meat head but as I am a vegetarian (awaiting insults) I think this interpretation may be umm wrong. But what I really want to say is "tens of thousands of fossils" prove it, as you would say, that's just a blatant lie and your "evidence" one paper that was still searching for a missing link? really I'm serious Kenny REALLY you prove your "theory" is fact.
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308 " what I really want to say is "tens of thousands of fossils" prove it,"
Sure, look up the 'catalogue of fossil hominids' there are several editions, they were published in the 60's so they only include a fraction of the fossils we have today.
The idea that there are no missing links is laughable, the human fossil record is one of the most complete and if you bothered with even half an hours research you would know this.
KennyTew2 1 month ago
2) Just to get you started here are some of the species names, Ardipithecus (Two species) Australopithecus afarensis, Australopithecus africanus, Sahelanthropus tchadensis, Homo habilis, Homo ergaster, Homo erectus, Homo heidelbergensis, Homo neanderthalensis, Homo floresiensis.
It takes a serious Meat head to watch a video containg about ten hominin species, none of which have ever been disputed by anyone who has ever studied them, and claim tthat none of the fossils exist!
KennyTew2 1 month ago
@KennyTew2 You claimed tens of thousands this is a very poor 2nd to that very misleading statement
cambell1308 1 month ago
@RandomVortex I have never stated that I don't believe in evolution! You sure do like to assume things very umm...scientific of you. You seem to attack people who ask questions or have a different viewpoint to yourself I have to let you know, this is not how learning is done, How can you learn anything new if you have all the answers? If you really think that humans are at the apex of their learning and know all their is to know on ANY subject then you are truly very mistaken.
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308
When & where did I say you do not believe in evolution?
I made no assumptions,I merely responded to what you wrote.
whilst I'm on the subject of assumptions,where exactly did you get the idea that I think I have all the answers and what's with all of this"humans are at the apex of their learning "rubbish about?(I said no such thing,I simply discounted obvious falsehoods.)
RandomVortex 1 month ago
@cambell1308
One last thing.................
You've asked me questions and I was good enough to answer them,so I hope you might reciprocate with reasoned reply's to my little enquiries.
BTW what exactly do you believe?(Just curious.)
RandomVortex 1 month ago
@RandomVortex I believe there are still more questions than answers. I don't believe that a species with 23 pairs of chromosomes evolved from a creature with 24 pairs of chromosomes. I believe that the link paleontologists are trying to make between humans and hominids is flawed as it relies upon a so called missing link (or 20) that have never been found. And what about cro-magnon man? did we evolve from them? and lose 2 feet in height and 40 cc's of brain. None of this is proven it is a theory
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308
Firstly,you simply refuse to answer even one of my clearly stated and honest questions.(despite my having addressed every last one of your mindless little enquiries!) "None of this is proven it is a theory"(you state.)
Look up what theory actually means(in the scientific sense)as you are clearly laboring under one of numerous misapprehensions!
You are an ignoramus twat and until you attempt to answer(instead of evading)every last one of my questions you can fuck off!
RandomVortex 1 month ago
@RandomVortex Also what about the human Y chromsome and the fact that it's sequencesare not homologous with any other primate? what about bone density comparisons, RH- blood type, all the way down to our hair patterns, humans most on front little on back primates most on back little on front. Their are far to many inconsistencies, genetic differences and lack missing "evidence" for these "theories" to be considered facts.
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about!
RandomVortex 1 month ago
@RandomVortex OK Random so as I'm not a proponent of intelligent design I will not answer that one, The numerous evidence for ancestral apes would not even fill a coffin, that's the truth. So for so much theory to be wrapped around these less than meager finds and then proffesing them as truth is a bit of a stretch. and as for DNA evidence of course check out these two papers" Divergence between samples of chimpanzee and
human DNA sequences is 5%, counting indels" by
Roy J. Britte
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308
For the last time,I never(at any point)claimed you were a proponent of ID(as I clearly mentioned before!)This is simply yet another example of your tendency toward misconception.
You talk utter rubbish and it is a waste of time discussing matters with people like you.
You are a tiresome bore!
RandomVortex 1 month ago
@RandomVortex Show me the evidence for(so called)intelligent design(or creationism to give it it's true title.) your words my point you are very judgemental
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308 Oh Random I couldn't leave without enlightening you to the answer of your final question. The reason I do not villifie and abuse people who have differing views to me ( wrong in your eyes) is that I am not so arrogant as to mislead myself that I have all the answers. I could be wrong on some or all parts and all efforts to show up other people would only result in closing my mind to potential and possibilities. Thus rendering me more incapable of an honest view point.
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308
So(in you're own charming little way)you are still saying that proven falsehoods should not be criticised.(Why not?)
"I could be wrong on some or all parts "(This is the only part of your comment which is in anyway accurate!)
Somebody who was truly pursuing knowledge would not behave as you do!
You are either willfully ignorant or a conscious fraud.(either way you can fuck off!)
RandomVortex 1 month ago
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Which of the may questions that you blatantly evaded are you referring to BTW?
(I bet you avoid this question also!)
RandomVortex 1 month ago
@RandomVortex O Random you are such a hypocrite, I have asked you questions which you have completey avoided yet you continually urge me to answer yous. You even came onto my channel and asked why I wouldn't answr your questions. Dude do you really think that the world or I owe you any answers ??? really. I must say though that I am glad that I am somehow so magnetic yo you that you have not stopped petering me for a week over ! comment. Really? Maybe you should look inside for your answers.
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308
So you are a conscious fraud and liar(I thought as much.)
Anybody who cares to read through this thread will discover you are lying(although a glance at pretty much any of your comments will prove that.)
I have merely responded to your idiotic comments.
The only reason I have bothered to engage you at all is to expose the idiocy and hypocrisy of people like you(and thank you very much as you've done me proud!)
Enjoy the bliss fuckhead!
RandomVortex 1 month ago
@cambell1308
You Sir are a liar!
RandomVortex 1 month ago
@cambell1308
You are a dirty little liar who cannot name/repeat even one question that you say I have avoided.
"Dude do you really think that the world or I owe you any answers ???"
Not the world........just you!!!
Well done for admitting that you did not(& have no intention of)answering any of my questions BTW.)
It has been a pleasure exposing you for the rather simple,small minded lying hypocrite you are!(you did make it a bit too easy though!)
RandomVortex 1 month ago
@RandomVortex Omg Random go drink beer and chase pussy (as your profile states you love to do) and while your their get a life dude, I'm using mine. But I'm glad that i'm so intensely interesting to you but alas you are very boring as all you do is repeat yourself.
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308
Go away and bother somebody else you tiresome little prick!
I shall waste no more(drinking/pussy chasing)time on a hypocritical dipshit liar like you!
Fuck off!
RandomVortex 1 month ago
@RandomVortex No I retort you kindly go and fuck yourself you narrow minded, abusive, shallow, I only believe what I'm told mentality, pathetic, still single at 37 (but chasing pussy LOL) complete waste of space and air and other valuable resources , no life, no mind, no vision, scared little slave human...........WAKE UP.......contact me again and I'll block and report you. GET A LIFE
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308
Your mum is a dirty slut wot smells like shit!(just thought I'd dive down to your sub-silly level for a moment.)I suppose when I said go away and stop bothering me you must have somehow misinterpreted my request...
Would you kindly please block me!(as then I can be certain that you shall bother me no more.)or by all means report me,as I would be interested to see how that might pan out.(in short)leave me alone,you weird dip-shitting hypocrisy riddled little wank fuck!
RandomVortex 1 month ago
BTW I neither block nor censor as I am prepared to deal with any silly little comments that invariably come my way.
Now(for the last time)I do not want to be bothered by an idiot like you ever again!
I shall respond to your twisted dishonest & moronic dip-shittery no more!
It almost gave me headache trying to think down to your level!
I suggest you spend some time studying the subject of evolution as you clearly have no comprehension of said subject at present.
Goodbye.........
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@cambell1308 "you narrow minded" Christianity all the way! "abusive" Believe or burn in hell! "shallow" Our gods better then your god! "I only believe what I'm told mentality" God is real! " pathetic" repent to god my son, NOT the one you've harmed."complete waste of space and air" Every Sunday you live... "no life, no mind, no vision" Whatever the fuck that means ha ha. "scared little slave human" Glory to God!
Ha ha ha does theism GET more ironic and contradictory???? ha ha ha
TacoBurgher327 1 month ago
@TacoBurgher327 HAHA you shill if you bothered to read (if you can) I am not a christian or a follower of any organized religion But what I love about ignorant people like you is your transparency. You are so shallow that you need to categorize someone before you can object to them , LMAO, because you do not posses the cognitive function to actually raise an argument, and you call me abusive. Check your own post you hate monger.
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308 "You are so shallow that you need to categorize someone before you can object to them"
Um, no, crazy person. Ha ha ha i just want to know WHAT you believe and WHY... Is that such a bad thing? Do you REALLY think i CARE what religion you are? ha ha ha their ALL made up fairy tales for grown ups to accept their inevitable death. So fine, don't tell anyone what you believe, all you're doing is PROVING you have no idea what you're talking about...
TacoBurgher327 1 month ago
@TacoBurgher327 Oh Taco I'm responding because your intelligence, or rather lack of it is really funny to me. So for the third time I am not a follower of religion although I know you really want me to be...Sorry. You just have umm how do we say ..issues. But I am curious as to why MY beliefs are so important to YOU??? Low self esteem? mother issues? or bullied at school maybe?. Either way I don't know you and so take your hate elsewhere and stop projecting YOUR shit on people..GROW UP.
cambell1308 1 month ago
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@cambell1308 "so take your hate elsewhere and stop projecting YOUR shit on people"
Wish theists wern't the most hypocritical people on the planet ha ha ha
TacoBurgher327 1 month ago
@cambell1308 " But I am curious as to why MY beliefs are so important to YOU??? Low self esteem? mother issues? or bullied at school maybe?. "
All of the above ha ha ha. Anything theists DON'T assume?
TacoBurgher327 1 month ago
@cambell1308 " But I am curious as to why MY beliefs are so important to YOU???"
Ha ha you confuse curiosity with importance. AGAIN, I could care less what you believe, but YOU started bashing atheists as if you had any idea about us. Forgive me for assuming you had some kind of theistic belief.
Again, it doesn't matter what you believe, as you revert to ad hominid attacks when you assert various topics, such as "why MY beliefs are so important to YOU?"
There not, get over yourself...
TacoBurgher327 1 month ago
@TacoBurgher327 Thanks for proving my point that can not think. All you can do0 is repost my statements. That's so embarrassing. Now go away and play hate games with youir little friends because that's what will help the world not discussion RIGHT!! ....you bore me so much....
cambell1308 1 month ago
@cambell1308 "All you can do0 is repost my statements. "
ACTUALLY, I post YOUR question so OTHERS know what i'm addressing.... But I'm sure you're smart enough to have noticed that....
" Now go away and play hate games with youir little friends because that's what will help the world not discussion RIGHT!!"
When did I claim THAT?
".you bore me so much..."
Sorry FACTS and INFORMATION bore you... That's a personal problem however....
TacoBurgher327 4 weeks ago
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@cambell1308 "because you do not posses the cognitive function to actually raise an argument, and you call me abusive."
One, if I don't know YOUR side of the arguemtn, HOW can I raise arguments of my own? Do tell... and two, NO, i never called YOU abusive, YOU accused ME of being abusive and I simply asked WHERE i was being abusive.
I'll let you take a lesson from yourself: "if you bothered to read (if you can)" HA ha ha
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cambell1308 1 month ago
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@TacoBurgher327 I was abusive once to "Randomvortex" after recieving Many abusive posts over 1 comment (some from you) AS WAS MY RIGHT OF REPLY. You are obviously an angry young person looking to lash out rather than learn. I only feel pity for you.
cambell1308 1 month ago
@RandomVortex Also look at "Do Human and Chimpanzee DNA Indicate an Evolutionary Relationship?" by Bert Thompson, Ph.D.
Brad Harrub, Ph.D. if your interested. Oh and thanks for all the abuse good to know that when people oppose your "scientific" views you respond with insults. I especially liked it when you teamed up with your little friends and you all abused and swore at me ...Awesome. That little episode says volumes about you and nothing about me.
cambell1308 1 month ago
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I advise NO ONE to engage JungleJargon in discussion. You will constantly prove his points wrong, he will ignore your questions to him, he won't give sources, and he uses logic such as "evolution says deer become whales."
I'm warning everywhere this guy posts, because, trust me, he isn't worth it....
TacoBurgher327 2 months ago 2
@TacoBurgher327
There is an individual who calls himself cambell 1308 who does much the same thing(perhaps they are one and the same or at least of a similar ilk.)
I would basically echo your warning with regard to these said dip-shits!
For those who are on the side of science,truth and reason the facts speak clearly enough for themselves..........
Cheers!
RandomVortex 1 month ago
@RandomVortex Dude, all these "cretards" have no understanding how BASIC science works, let alone something as complex as evolution. They don't know what falsifying means, nor do they care. All they wanna do is preach THEIR particular religion, and frankly I'm sick and tired of it. These people get under my skin so bad, then they want respect? Ha ha atheists know more about their cult then THEY do!
TacoBurgher327 1 month ago
@TacoBurgher327 Ohh you poor creature, have you not read any of my posts I am not a christian or a believer in creationalism, why don't you learn to read before making your scared abusive comments.
cambell1308 1 month ago
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@cambell1308 "Ohh you poor creature,"
Don't remember asking for your sympathy.... but ok!
"I am not a christian or a believer in creationalism,"
When did I say you were?
" why don't you learn to read before making your scared abusive comments."
Scared AND abusive eh?? ha ha care to give the example of WHERE i gave a scared and/or abusive comment ha ha ha seems YOU'RE the one getting pissed at things people don't claim ha ha ha proof or shutup!
TacoBurgher327 1 month ago
Good news! We are not knuckle walkers!
watch?v=qZev7hb40uk
JungleJargon 3 months ago
@JungleJargon "Good news! We are not knuckle walkers!"
No one ever claimed that we are. For real scientific evidence consult the scientific literature, not creationist lies and distortions.
KennyTew2 3 months ago
@KennyTew2 There are no "links" between apes and anything else before them either.
...no link between reptiles and mammals.
...etc. etc.
For one single life form to change into something entirely different, it requires more than 40,000 ordered consecutive changes that are not reversed.
Evolution is utterly impossible.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon "There are no "links" between apes and anything else before them either."
Stop telling lies, there are many. Off the top of my head I can think of Proconsil Africanus and Dryopithecus.
"no link between reptiles and mammals."
Wow you are a serious dumb ass. Did you even consider doing any research before spewing your lies? Look up mammal evolution, mammal like reptiles and the evolution of the mammalian middle ear.
KennyTew2 2 months ago
@JungleJargon "it requires more than 40,000 ordered consecutive changes that are not reversed."
OK, first please refer me to a source of infomation where this made up number can be varified, 40,000 changes between what? One species of fruit fly and another? T Rex and a worm? You are just talking utter shit.
But lets go with your made up number, can you identify a mechnaism which prevents changes building up over time? If so well done, publish it and collect your nobel prize!
KennyTew2 2 months ago
@KennyTew2 40,000 ordered consecutive changes is a conservative estimation for what it would take for a cow or a deer to become a whale.
That is just it, there is no mechanism for any of those changes to ever happen.
Limited information in the genome means the possible alterations are limited.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon "That is just it, there is no mechanism for any of those changes to ever happen"
Once more I have listed the mechanisms, your failure to understand well established science is unsurprising.
"Limited information in the genome means the possible alterations are limited"
Why oh why do you people never bother to read anything on the subject before commenting. To understand science you will need to read some. Get an education and stop telling lies.
KennyTew2 2 months ago
@KennyTew2 Mutations do not order anything so how can they "build up"?
You listed nothing. Mutations never order anything insertions never order anything unless they are already compatible. Natural selection can only select what has already been ordered by the genome.
The genome does have limited information and the possible variations are limited to the limited amount of information in the genome. Variations not possible never happen.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon I listed several types of mutation all of wich are well documented and understood and all of which represent a change in DNA. Mutations frequently change the read order of DNA, have you ever heard of a frameshift mutation? and frequently produce completely new streches of DNA, duplications combined with point mutations and frameshift mutations.
Constantly repeating that well established observed facts, never happen, highlights both your ignorance and unwillingness to learn.
KennyTew2 2 months ago
@KennyTew2 The genome already has backup duplicate information and that does not change what it is.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon "The genome already has backup duplicate information and that does not change what it is.
"
It is a simple well documented fact that the genome does not simply mix with each generation, but it changes. On average humans have about 120 mutations each which are permenent changes to the DNA line. Theer is no storred hard copy of the pre mtation DNA, but if you think there is, please point to its location and the scientific paper wheer this was established.
KennyTew2 2 months ago
@KennyTew2 Mutations can be corrected in a single generation.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
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@JungleJargon "You don't even know that evolution does indeed teach that a deer or cow eventually become a whale."
Just out of sheer curiosity, how do you think deer and cows eventually become whales?? You claim I have no idea about evolution, so naturally, YOU do, right? So explain JUST HOW the scientists are telling us cows become whales??? As I've asked before, please explain what it is YOU think evolution does.....
TacoBurgher327 2 months ago
@JungleJargon "40,000 ordered consecutive changes is a conservative estimation for what it would take for a cow or a deer to become a whale."
a cow or a deer will NEVER "become" a whale..... EVER..... shows how little you care to learn about the subject....
TacoBurgher327 2 months ago
@TacoBurgher327 You don't even know that evolution does indeed teach that a deer or cow became a whale.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon " You don't even know that evolution does indeed teach that a deer or cow eventually become a whale."
.... Wow, ok, scientists say whales, deer, MAMMALS in general, share a COMMON ANCESTOR. This in NO WAY, SHAPE, or FORM means that deer were ONCE whales, it doesn't mean whales will BECOME deer, It means whales and deer share a COMMON ANCESTOR. That's it...
Claiming deer can become whales is literally one of the dumbest things i have ever heard and SHOWS your ignorance....
TacoBurgher327 2 months ago
@TacoBurgher327 A deer becoming a whale is an evolutionary claim. They even made a "documentary" out of it.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon " A deer becoming a whale is an evolutionary claim. "
You are cut... I will not continue to argue with someone as ignorant as you have shown to be. Evolution states common ancestry, and because you simply don't understand what that means, shows the ignorance and unwillingness to learn.
You aren't even giving the what species of deer magically transform into what species of whale, or what the scientists say... Your simply "saying" and i'm over it....
TacoBurgher327 2 months ago
@TacoBurgher327 It is your belief that objects made you what you are.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
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@JungleJargon "It is your belief that objects made you what you are."
DURRRR, MY PARENTS MADE ME WHAT I AM TODAY..... ha ha ha AGAIN, I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT "OBJECTS" ARE..... did caps help get the point through that brainless skull of your's??Ironically, I ALSO pointed out the fact, YOU actually believe magical objects came from somewhere and created us, remember?? That's what YOUR claiming... NOT ME...God you are so stupid...
TacoBurgher327 2 months ago
@JungleJargon " You don't even know that evolution does"
I use evolution on a daily basis, remember, we have ALREADY been over this....
I use evolution, and have given you OBSERVED transitions that YOU can look up.... hows that going btw?
TacoBurgher327 2 months ago
@TacoBurgher327 ...not in this thread, you never gave any examples of evolution *and* you just changed the subject.
You can't use evolution because evolution never happens, the only thing that ever does happen is variation of the species caused by the genome.
There is no mechanism able to change a reptile into a mammal. It only happens in fantasy, not reality.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon "...not in this thread, you never gave any examples of evolution *and* you just changed the subject."
I know, i know, it's EVERYONE else... we get it...
"You can't use evolution because evolution never happens,"
Just saying....
"the only thing that ever does happen is variation of the species caused by the genome."
Just sayin...
"There is no mechanism able to change a reptile into a mammal."
Just sayin...
Circular, presupposing garbage.....
TacoBurgher327 2 months ago
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@TacoBurgher327 You are the one "Just sayin" without backing up what you say.
You believe objects made you what you are without any evidence to back up what you believe.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon We get it... no one can, nor will ever show or give you examples... we GET it... You're like a broken record bro... If you honestly want to think the greatest minds on the planet say "whales become beer" then you go right ahead... You're cut from ANY further intelligent conversation...
TacoBurgher327 2 months ago
@TacoBurgher327 Anyone can make a strawman like you did and knock it down.
You are not even trying to address the issues.
Your "greatest minds on the planet" say objects made us what we are.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
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@JungleJargon "Anyone can make a strawman like you did and knock it down."
I KNOW... I GET IT... YOU have already told everyone "No one can prove me wrong when i'm right." And NATURALLY, you're 100% correct about EVERYTHING, so we CAN'T prove you wrong. Like I said... WE GET IT...
"You are not even trying to address the issues."
I TRIED to adress the issue... you're UNWILLING to listen.... I GET IT...
TacoBurgher327 2 months ago
@JungleJargon "Your "greatest minds on the planet" say objects made us what we are."
I asked what the FUCK "objects" are... I also stated NO SCIENTIST EVER stated magical OBJECTS "make us what we are"... AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THAT MEANS.... MY PARENTS MADE ME WHAT I AM TODAY....
And WE GET IT... how many times do you want to hear it?? WE GET THAT NO ONE WILL EVER CONVINCE YOU OF YOUR PRESUPPOSITION.... WE GET IT....
TacoBurgher327 2 months ago
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@TacoBurgher327 An object is a thing consisting of matter.
You didn't know that and you want to tell me that I don't know what I am talking about.
Objects did not make us what we are. What you believe is fantasy.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon I mean, for some LOGICAL reason you made up in your head, it's OKAY for you to say WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT... Objects make us, function is only a function when we dictate, scientists say deer become whales eventually... WE GET IT... YOU GET TO SAY WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT WITHOUT PROOF OR EVIDENCE, yet when someone give you, lets say OBSERVED, PEER REVIEWED examples of speciation, you IGNORE it... WE GET IT... It's US, not you... WE KNOW... Jesus, will you shut up now?
TacoBurgher327 2 months ago
@TacoBurgher327 I couldnt agree more. I was going to explain the odds of approximately 120 genetic mutations, 'reverting back in a single generation' but he would never understand it, and even if he did understand he would simply ignore the facts. I guess there was a clue to his dishonesty/ignorance when he called well observed facts impossible without ever checking the facts or offering any reason why they are impossible. Im done with this nut job.
KennyTew2 2 months ago
@KennyTew2 Ya, I have told him I'm a horticulturist, amateur, but still, and have used evolution to help create strands of strawberries and egg plant that is literally, my own plant species... I mean, all he has to do is grow a garden and he could test evolution. Numerous people have tried to show him his illogical nature, his flat out wrong information, and people have tried to understand what he's talking about, but JJ is just unwilling to to give ANY information out...
TacoBurgher327 2 months ago
@KennyTew2 Variations and mutations are not the same thing and it is still only the possible variations that are happening with the limited information available.
Evolution is very questionable. The probability that we have a Maker is so much more likely.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon You offer no evidence to support any of your assertions despite being asked several times. What you say has been refuted time and time again and there is no mechanism preventing the inevitable and constant change we observe in the human genome. The simple fact that your ancestors can be traced through your genome could only be possible if the genome changed in different ways around the world.
I will reply to your nonsense no more.
KennyTew2 2 months ago
@KennyTew2 The days are numbered for evolution when our genome proves that we all came from Adam and Eve.
Objects are not able to do anything so they cannot make us what we are.
There is noting you can say.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon "The days are numbered for evolution when our genome proves that we all came from Adam and Eve."
Every single study ever written on the subjecty of DNA has either not addressed evolution, or found evidence supporting it, literally tens iof thousands of pieces of genetic evidence all telling the same story and hundreds of which already prove the fact that Adam and Eve did not exist.
"There is noting you can say." There is much I can say, but no point saying it to you.
KennyTew2 2 months ago
@KennyTew2 If you could prove objects made you what you are, you would have presented the evidence already. You did not because there is no evidence for the magic you believe.
The have mapped DNA and they already know who came from which son of Noah.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon "If you could prove objects made you what you are, you would have presented the evidence already"
I already did, the word object is so loosely defined that it includes pretty much anything real, and even includes imaginary things like your god in the objects of thought category.
KennyTew2 2 months ago
"The have mapped DNA and they already know who came from which son of Noah"
Wow, I';ve read many studies on DNA mapping and not a single one mentioned sons of Noah at all. In fact they all pointed to human origins in Africa long before the mythical events of the bible.
"You can read my paper if they ever have the courage to publish it." Oh Hilarious! Which Journals have you sent it to? And could you please forward their rejections to me so I can read their reasons for rejecting your work.
KennyTew2 2 months ago
@KennyTew2 The largest percentage of people are descendants of Ham which includes Africans. Japethites are the Europeans and Asians which also have Neanderthal DNA. The Shem ites are Jews Arabs and other Semites.
I have had one rejection so far. It read: "though interesting, is not within the scope of" the Journal.
I pointed out that the bubble and string theories are not within the realm of science.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@KennyTew2 By objects, I mean physical objects of any kind. They never do anything without being ordered to do something.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@TacoBurgher327 You failed show any peer review of anything. Saying something is peer reviewed does not prove anything. In fact, very little actually proves anything at all. Everything we say and do is based on some kind of reason and if the reason is flawed, the actions are wrong.
You cannot prove to me, with peer review, that objects made you what you are, yet that is what you believe without peer reviewed evidence.
You're talking for the sake of speaking your mind which also proves nothing.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon "You failed show any peer review of anything. "
Bro, I've given you so much information to look up regarding evolution it's not even worth it. A two second google search for " Observed speciation" would do you WONDERS. You're cut, remember? I haven't read on past that sentence, so don't bother. You're cut. I will dedicate my ENTIRE youtube account to seeing where you post, and telling them you think evolution stated deer turns into whales. Don't talk to me, don't bother...
TacoBurgher327 2 months ago
@TacoBurgher327 They do think a deer like creature turned into a whale. I did not make that up. They have to believe it because that is what evolution is. You believe it too. You believe that objects made you what you are and there is no evidence to support such a belief.
The variation of species does not equate to evolution of a lizard becoming a mammal.
You believe objects made you what you are and that is not possible.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
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@JungleJargon "They do think a deer like creature turned into a whale. I did not make that up."
I don't understand what YOU don't get about the fact that I cut you? You are NO LONGER worthy of intelligent conversation? What don't you get? You have NO UNDERSTANDING of evolution. Read a book and stop talking to me.... YOU'RE CUT.......
TacoBurgher327 2 months ago
@JungleJargon "You believe objects made you what you are and that is not possible." AND ON THE FIFTH VIDEO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I MuST AGAIN, REPEAT MYSELF. FOR THE ONE BILLION AND FIFTH TIME, I HAVE NO FUCKING IDEA WHAT "OBJECTS" ARE...... YOU'RE CUT..... STOP TALKING TO ME......
Sorry bout the caps everyone else, he just doesn't ever listen, nor care. Figured caps may help him....
TacoBurgher327 2 months ago
@TacoBurgher327 You don't know what objects are and you are trying to tell me something.
Objects did not make you what you are.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon Your stupidity seems to know no bounds. I respond this one extra time since the stupidity of this, "Objects did not make you what you are." was irresistable!
Since object can be defined thus, "a thing, person, or matter to which thought or action is directed" It is clear that both of my parebts are 'objects', therefore one of the only things I can know about that nature of my existance is that objects made me what I am.
KennyTew2 2 months ago
@KennyTew2 You cannot use design as evidence of no design. Your parents have function so they have a Maker.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
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@JungleJargon " You don't know what objects are and you are trying to tell me something.
Objects did not make you what you are."
Yea, see when you make up words and facts, no one understands what you're talking about.... I'll direct you to KennyTew's answer "It is clear that both of my parebts are 'objects', therefore one of the only things I can know about that nature of my existance is that objects made me what I am."
Ha ha ha You just aren't very smart....
TacoBurgher327 2 months ago
@TacoBurgher327 "Sorry bout the caps everyone else, he just doesn't ever listen, nor care. Figured caps may help him...." I think he might be beyond help. The indoctrination is complete, the brain is washed. He starts with the assumption that Adam and Eve existed and ignores all evidence to the contrary. Personally it wouldnt take more than a few scientific papers to change my mind on any subject. Thats the difference between evidence based conclusions and religious conclusions.
KennyTew2 2 months ago
@KennyTew2 You can read my paper if they ever have the courage to publish it.
In the mean time your belief is not based on and scientific fact.
Objects did not make you what you are. Preexisting information did make you what you are.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon This is the most laughable set of evidence I have seen. I'm sorry but I can't believe you can believe in evolution because of some skulls, don't you think there are variations od humans and apes (just like there are today) That does not mean we were monkeys and they sure have a hard time coming up with anything but bone fragments. Oh and flat face man was proved to just be a man with osteoporosis.
nacho2354 2 months ago
@nacho2354 You failed to even address any of the issues.
Evolution doesn't even almost happen because there is no mechanism to order any other kind of information than the limited information that the genome already has.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon " there is no mechanism to order any other kind of information than the limited information that the genome already has."
I assume that english is your second language, but are you seriously saying that there is no known mechanism which creates new genetic information, or more importantly, phenotypes? Seriously? You didnt even bother to read the first chapter of genetics 101 before commenting? What about point mutations, deletions, frame shift mutations and insertions?
KennyTew2 2 months ago
@KennyTew2 None of the changes alterations or additions order anything in the genome unless the information is already compatilble with the information already in the genome and if the information is compatible, it is not going to significantly change anything.
You really do need to understand that there is no mechanism for evolution because "natural selection" will only select what has already been ordered by the genome. The variations are what the genome does from preexisting information.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
@JungleJargon As usual for a creationist you are talking errant nonsense. Mutations will be positively selected for when they confer an advantage, they will be eliminated if they confer a disadvantage and will be subject to the principles of genetic drift if they are neutral.
"The variations are what the genome does from preexisting information."
The stupid! It burns!! I have already listed well established mechanisms which prove this idiocy wrong.
KennyTew2 2 months ago
@KennyTew2 Your rare positive mutations can be reversed or eliminated just as easily as they supposedly occur and does not equate to 40,000 consecutive morphological ordered changes that are needed.
Your belief is all fantasy with no reality backing it up.
You never proved that mutations order anything in the genome. Natural selection can only select what has already been ordered by the genome.
JungleJargon 2 months ago
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MegaSpiderman66 4 months ago
Bones .. and yet more bones. None of these can be proved to be of human origin. All these so-called experts try to fool us by inventing fanciful names using as many letters of the alphabet as they can .. ending in sis, lis, nus, sei to make them sound credible and authentic. Here is some news - humans have always been humans and only reproduce according to their own kind. Same goes for apes. If there ever were superior ape-men .. where are they? Apes still exist! Ha! ha!
Tony07UK 4 months ago
@Tony07UK Who could possibly argue with such an evidence based and well reasoned argument? All you will need to do to continue making such a fool of yourself in scientific discussions is ensure that you only ever comment upon subjects where you haven't bothered with even a moments actual learning. Thanks for the laughs, and keep up the good work.
KennyTew2 4 months ago
@KennyTew2 No evidence here .. just fake pics. Not really scientific is it? Artistic license is not evidence. Do you understand the 'scientific method' - go back to school and learn the basics. Science should be testable.
Tony07UK 4 months ago
@Tony07UK " just fake pics"
These are all photos of actual fossils, all of which have been studied by many of the worlds leading anatomists. Many of these fossils are on display in museums around the world for anyone actually interested in evidence to see, but if you can tell me which of the photos are 'fake' I will gladly label them as such.
"Artistic license is not evidence."
I couldn't agree more, can you please refer me to a single scientific paper where it is represented as such?
KennyTew2 4 months ago
@Tony07UK "Do you understand the 'scientific method' - go back to school and learn the basics. Science should be testable."
Can you please give me an example of any aspect of the theory of evolution which is not testable, and also let me know why you have ignored the thousands of scientific papers which have tested aspects of evolutionary theory and never found it wanting.
KennyTew2 4 months ago
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@Tony07UK "Apes still exist". C'mon. It is ok for you to have your own opinion. But if you really want to discuss this issue, please, get some education on the topic first. And be aware: There is more that just fossils. The genetic knowledge of today alone is enogh evidence for common ancestry.
fire112germany 2 months ago
I think creationists just presume when scientists find a fossil, they instantly make up what it is or where it could have come from. I think they are unaware of HOW actually scientists come to their conclusions.
OptimalElement 4 months ago
@OptimalElement I couldn't agree more, the recent comment of Tony07UK's is the perfect illustration of your point.
KennyTew2 4 months ago
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Love the first track- whats it called please?
IceCreationsUK 6 months ago
Love the first track- whats it called please?
IceCreationsUK 6 months ago
@IceCreationsUK I think it's called olsen olsen. I assume you know it's by sigur ros.
KennyTew2 6 months ago
You calling me crazy?? Youre the one that believes the earth is millions of years old.
flintrox 6 months ago
@flintrox I accept the many hundreds of convergent results demonstrating the age of the earth, (Billions by the way) while you believe in a talking snake because a single self contradictory text written by bronze age nomads tells you too.
I note that you have not presented a single piece of evidence against the theory of evolution, geology cosmology or atomic theory, all of which contradict a young earth.
What debunked crap do you want to present first? Lord Kelvin? Magnetic field?
KennyTew2 6 months ago
@KennyTew2 All true scientific evidence supports the creation and the flood. You have been duped like many millions of people into believing the lie. You cant change the history of the world. What took place cant be changed.
flintrox 6 months ago