what i never understood when i watched the film,and having a good grasp of the star trek principle concerning shield configurations,was why there was no envelope or "bubble" effect when the BOP torpedoes struck the Enterprise.They appeared to hit the hull even with shields raised.
First question, what programs did you use to model this?
Second question, are you currently in school?
I am pretty sure that if you gave credit to the actual movie, you would then be freed from DMCA issues so long as you are using this as a demo-reel.
As for this clips quality, not bad. Again, anyone making comments need to know more before doing so. What programs were you using, how long you have been using them, and how many render computers you had access to. (and more questions.)
@RobertGraphics I didn't make the models, model credits are at the end, however, I believe the Enterprise was made in Lightwave, then converted to 3ds max to which I use.
I'm not in school, nor have I ever been, at least for this.
Even then, I've still been given a copyright strike for a video.
TempesetFeir = Wanna be Trekkie that's seen Voyager maybe TNG, a little of DS9 and all of Enterprise, but not the original or the first 6 movies. Yes TF, there were actually 10 movies before the 2009 StarTrek Movie, the one in question is number 6
Considering you did this your self as opposed to a huge group of tech nerds that had hundreds of thousands of dollars backing them, I'd say you did a FANTASTIC job. Some shots I had to say were as equal as to those scene in the actual movie. Great job!!!
What makes this bad? Fast editing using the interior bridge, torps arnt graphically right & do not go through shields that easily, Klingons cant fire when cloaked or recloak that fast. You had too few shots for this battle. .NO phaser or disruptor part of the battle. Trek is not about torpedos.... AND finally need to show torpedo explosions per battle dmg on hull of the enterprise. (besides that last one) to be or not to be is a meaningless quotation.
Wow man. You seem like a total fool for saying a Klingon ship can't fire while cloaked. It was a major plot point in star trek 6. Don't you feel totally stupid now.
@TempestFeir I suggest you watch the ACTUAL movie, before criticizing the level of quality to this clip. Your not exactly accurate with much of your post.
As to the clip in question, i'd say the animations are pretty spot-on.
@TempestFeir phasers need a lock on, they cant be fired with manual targetting without lots of calibrations, torps can be fired manually and this is from the flims it was a modified briel that can fire while cloaked. Since it was cloaked they could not target with phasers only manual fire torps. Cant remember why their shields were not raised but thats startrek for you they were almost non existent in DS9.
@TempestFeir I suggest you watch the film mate. The Klingons developed a bird of prey that could fire whilst cloaked. Christs sake, the films TWENTY years old plus, where have you been ??!!
@CJCA915 I have seen the movie, so I know they do move when they're hit - as they did in every single one of the movies and every one of the ST TV series. And, no, there aren't any stars there.
@CJCA915 Yeah...I don't fully understand what one can do for fairuse and fan made things but the voices and what not would be great and I'm sure you have thought of it. Its funny how "they" would not like that stuff and yet it only supports the actual Star Trek product.
@dewpoint88 Well, one would think such usage would be fair use if credits are given... but it seems like Paramount/CBS want their money... I mean I've contacted Paramount on at least half a dozen occasions, telling them I'm not profiting from these videos... but still, I get a DMCA... not as much as I used to... but nevertheless.
Just finished this project:
/watch?v=B4JvGbJIdNU
TMP: Drydock Tour, I added the character shots into this one...
@CJCA915 That spacedock flyby is super cool. I give it a 10/10. It really captured the feeling of the original. Do that with the Khitomer, I know they are different scenes, and you will have an awesome project done. Do you consider the spacedock scene finished or are you still working on it? I would have a few small ideas.
That was pretty nice, I'd like to see more battles like this one, like maybe some of the battles from one of the series or the classic ones from the movies.
@CJCA915 i have the movie, since i was a kid iv probably watched it 10 times, the only difference is that the voices have been moved out of the time sequence and edited in
@WesAMV7569 Yes, It's a CG recreation of the scenes, I can tell. I've seen the original probably about 15-20 times. Even if I saw it once or a few times I'd be able to tell, from having seen all 11 star trek movies more than once. He recreated the scenes using a cg program. so yeah. I think you need to watch the movie again and compare the vids, and if you still thing it's the exact same thing then the original, then you must have bad eyesight.
@aussieivan The cloaking device was introduced very near the beginning of TOS (Balance of Terror). Kirk and Spock stole the technology in "The Enterprise Incident", got it going in minutes. Used it once. And then the Federation never used it again. And, because the prototype-equipped ship couldn't fire when cloaked in BoT, everyone in the 23rd century assumes that the tech could never possibly advance, & would always be exactly like the prototype. How did these bozo's ever develop warp drive?
@sbergman27 Well, the Federation agreed not to develop cloaking technology, which is why Admiral Pressman was placed under arrest in TNG for hiding that 'phasing cloak.'
Well, most people use the very fact that the cloaking device took enormous power, and the Klingon's aren't notorious for keeping up... I mean they used Birds of Prey all the way into DS9...
@CJCA915 "the Federation agreed not to develop cloaking technology"
Yes, in 2311, 44 years after Kirk stole 1 that they had installed & working quite nicely in a few minutes without seeming to strain the original NCC-1701's resources badly. & the Romulans seem to like their cloaks just fine decade after decade. It just doesn't make sense. Maybe Starfleet is just too moral to skulk around the galaxy invisibly.. using the iCloak they swiped from the poor Romulan commander whose career they ruined.
@jimmypop1222 Cuz cloaks don't work that way. They not only make an object invisible to sensors, but visually as well. See: Star Trek IV" The Voyage Home and the Deep Space Nine season 7 episode, 'The Emperor's New Cloak' for confirmation.
@jimmypop1222 I knew you weren't serious about rolling down the window but the notion that if you just "look" out a window instead of using sensors, you can see a cloaked ship has been floated before. But, yeah, I'm no scientist but something tells me that rolling down a window on a starship would be a bad idea for a variety of reasons. :P
@jimmypop1222 What I could never understand was that if the thing had a "tail pipe" why couldn't Enterprise's sensors see it? Why did Spock and McCoy (of all people) have to rig up a photon torpedo with special equipment they just happened to have on board?
@sbergman27 good point the Torpedo could so why couldnt the ship, Again they should have just rolled down the window stuck there head out and looked lol.
@jimmypop1222 The cloak plot device has always been somewhat problematic, except for Balance of Terror. Balance of Terror had it's problems but was a brilliant story of two seasoned captains, far from home, engaged in a battle of wits. One of them had doubts about what he was fighting for. The rest of the cloak episodes have used it as a trivial plot device. Hey! Look! Their cloak has this or that flaw! (even visible to the naked eye!) Engineers of the 23rd century seem really stupid.
Budget restraints were always a problem with Star Trek. On one hand, they had excellent special effects, but would cut corners by reusing the same scenes and shots over and over. Paramount used to be pretty cheap when it came to Star Trek until Nemesis and the last movie.
@jakfuki There wasn't too terribly much of that. They spent enough on "Leaving Drydock" in ST:TMP to reuse the footage in TWoK. (Complete with the olympic class backflip.) And Regula 1 is the orbital office complex from ST:TMP filmed upside down. But other than that, most special effects were one time footage.
@sbergman27 Of course they were cheap, and reused the same effects. Just because they spent a lot of money on the drydock scenes from TMP doesn't mean they should have used the same scenes again for TWOK, Some of the TMP shots of the Enterprise cruising along were used in TWOK. TFF used drydock shots from TVH, and Generations used a few shots from TUC. Paramounbt is cheap, and reusing stock footage for their premiere franchise really sucks.
@jakfuki Look. I'm a lot more interested in the quality of the story and the quality of acting than in whether they reused special effects. I've payed quite a lot of attention to these movies over the years, and certainly noticed "Leaving Drydock". But not the "cruising along" scenes. Maybe they did. But if I didn't notice, it must have been done reasonably well. Did you watch these movies "first run"? I did. If cutting a few corners bought them Ricardo Mantalbán, I'm cool with that.
@pastramipete, @Doomsday971 All right guys. check out my channeI...I put together a video of the battle from the original movie (In HD too) and at the 3:25 to 3:27 mark Scotty says "Shields weakening!!" and you can see how far the shields are from the hull...and and 4:20 the field becomes yellow and Scotty yells "SHIELDS COLLAPSING!!" so you guys have an idea of why I'm so puzzled...
@CJCA915 ILM always has a thing of playing with the shields when they want drama. I never understood how a ship with shields up is damaged? What is the point of them if your ship is internally exploding? Looks like hull polarized shields. Just a let down to me
@Megatron65 "I never understood how a ship with shields up is damaged? "
Energy leakage. If you think that any defensive mechanism is 100% effective you are living in a dreamworld. A small percentage of destructive energy gets through. And packs a hell of a punch. The real question is how does a ship with impaired shields survive at all?
@sbergman27 Wouldn't the vacuum of space be a factor? I am sure I remember an episode of NG where Data explains that energy what'ever its form is sucked out and dispersed when exposed or something along these lines! I guess the Ships hull is strong enough at the end of the day and I am sure they line them with an element of Concrete or something similar to reinforce them have a look at the tech manuals I am I read that with the Hull description for the Ent D!
@CJCA915 Nemesis is a floating turd passing itself off as a feature film. It should not be mentioned when discussing STVI:TUC. Nemesis should only be mentioned when discussing such classic films as Battlefield Earth and Larry The Cable Guy's Delta Farce.
@CJCA915 It's not so much that Data died that ticked me off it's that they reduced the character to nothing more than a bunch of information that can be transferred from one computer to another, thus completely shattering 15 years of character development beginning with S2's 'Measure of a Man' where the writers told us that Data was a sentient living being and not just the sum of his parts and experiences. That and the story was awful and the dialogue was ridiculous.
@CJCA915 You saw my video? Hmm...touche' never thought of it that way...well thanks for discussion none the less to everyone and thanks to everyone for not giving me a hard time or flaming me! you all have class! =)
@CJCA915 Are you saying they had something bigger in mind for this scene but had to cut down because of budget? Only time we saw the enterprise A use phasers was in the wrath of khan, after that is was all about the torpedoes. Would of liked to have scene the Enterprise A in a more action base scene.
I was wondering how come when the Enterprise gets hit by torpedoes the hull just gets hit and you see hull damage? I mean in the later years when ships fire phasers on each other you see the phasers hit shields....is it because shielding is way significantly better in later years? i'm a newbie when it comes to being a Trekkie
@CJCA915 Yeah seriously..I mean I would understand after a couple of shots and the shields are weakened but when the shield strength is still pretty healthy? =\
@hitmantv41 often starships will run without their shields up in order to conserve energy, energy that can be used for other uses like scanners or engines. And because Klingon vessels use cloaking devices the Enterprise wouldn't have known to raise its shields until it was attacked.
@hitmantv41 The shield system in the "kirk" era was not so advanced as the one on Picard
In the kirk era the shild was almost on the surface of the ship, later on was expanded to form a "bubble" as you can see in the rest of the star trek saga
@hitmantv41 I haven't seen the film in a long time, but I remember if you look close in one shot you see the shields flickering, sparking. It's almost as if this generation of shields are tighter, closer against the ship's hull like a second skin as opposed The Next Generation era where it's like a big bubble around the ship.
@pastramipete seems to be the common answer..but I got Star Trek VI and been watching the good parts...and in the battle I do recall the flickering part..but screens showing shield strength display the shields surrounding the ship and they look pretty thick..it's blue and after numerous hits it becomes yellow at one part then when Scotty yells "SHIELDS COLLAPSING!!!!" the entire field on the screens become yellow and start flashing..I gotta upload the battle to show what I mean..
@hitmantv41 Think of it this way, Enterprise (NX-01) had polarized hull plating. Think of it like magnetizing the hull to deflect weapons. The Enterprise here had shields but not strong enough to set it up away from the ship, much like a superficial skin. TNG and on has stronger shields that can extend out from the ship. At least thats how I always understood it.
@pastramipete Also in Star Trek V when the shuttle craft was going in for a crash landing in the shuttle bay...they had the lower shields and the shields surrounded the Enterprise at a pretty good distance and when they lowered shields it came down in layers..anyone else know what I'm talking about?
@CJCA915 Please dont doubt my love for the trek, my memory just sucks so bad. So when was it that the enterprise came through time and met picard then went back and got destroyed?
Nice vid aswel, loving all of the trek scenes coming out, next step is fan made films hopefully!
@dafyddlewis89 You're thinking of the TNG episode 'Yesterday's Enterprise', which details the Enterprise-C, not the Enterprise-A as is shown in this clip.
@hitmantv41 *the torpedo launches from its bay, streaking through space desperately searching for its target and then... it finds it.. Chang: "To Be or not to be.." (BOOM)
i think it was pretty good job, at matching the movie, but the death of the klingon's always sucked for 2 reasons, (and hoped you had fixed in your remake) 1. the rocking effect as it was being hit. that just throws it off from looking like its in space but more like being held by a string. 2. even tho it was rocking it just stops to blow up. i always felt they could have done a simple camera movement to at least match up. but I still love the movie and enjoyed your video
Having seen the original many times, I'm impressed with how much nuance you got into the renderings. A lot of the finest details of the original models' movement are there. Well done.
what i never understood when i watched the film,and having a good grasp of the star trek principle concerning shield configurations,was why there was no envelope or "bubble" effect when the BOP torpedoes struck the Enterprise.They appeared to hit the hull even with shields raised.
soledweller 3 days ago
Can you work on new special effects for Star Trek V? Please?
xrunr 3 days ago
no contest to what they did in the movie with models.
spacexploder 6 days ago
@spacexploder Obviously... however, since my skills have improved in the last year, I may give this another go...
CJCA915 2 days ago
Considering the original battle was made by ILM with a huge amount of resources at their disposal, this is great.
Excellent job, bud!
Asd0r 6 days ago
First question, what programs did you use to model this?
Second question, are you currently in school?
I am pretty sure that if you gave credit to the actual movie, you would then be freed from DMCA issues so long as you are using this as a demo-reel.
As for this clips quality, not bad. Again, anyone making comments need to know more before doing so. What programs were you using, how long you have been using them, and how many render computers you had access to. (and more questions.)
RobertGraphics 1 week ago
@RobertGraphics I didn't make the models, model credits are at the end, however, I believe the Enterprise was made in Lightwave, then converted to 3ds max to which I use.
I'm not in school, nor have I ever been, at least for this.
Even then, I've still been given a copyright strike for a video.
CJCA915 1 week ago
TempesetFeir = Wanna be Trekkie that's seen Voyager maybe TNG, a little of DS9 and all of Enterprise, but not the original or the first 6 movies. Yes TF, there were actually 10 movies before the 2009 StarTrek Movie, the one in question is number 6
djspazz 2 weeks ago
Great job:)
AsuraZorro92 2 weeks ago
Considering you did this your self as opposed to a huge group of tech nerds that had hundreds of thousands of dollars backing them, I'd say you did a FANTASTIC job. Some shots I had to say were as equal as to those scene in the actual movie. Great job!!!
AJones67 2 weeks ago
you even copied the static shot(it was wobbling in the scene before) of the bop beening shot that everyone groned about in the cinema. hehe nice :)
BillyNoMate 2 weeks ago
What makes this bad? Fast editing using the interior bridge, torps arnt graphically right & do not go through shields that easily, Klingons cant fire when cloaked or recloak that fast. You had too few shots for this battle. .NO phaser or disruptor part of the battle. Trek is not about torpedos.... AND finally need to show torpedo explosions per battle dmg on hull of the enterprise. (besides that last one) to be or not to be is a meaningless quotation.
TempestFeir 2 weeks ago
@TempestFeir The shots I created were only the VFX shots... as using too much of the movie dialogue results quite often in DMCA strikes...
The way the torpedoes were done in STVI was using a laser pointer... I don't have the ability to do such an effect, at least at this time.
Have you seen Star Trek VI? A group of conspiring Klingon's developed a BoP that could fire while cloaked...
CJCA915 2 weeks ago
@TempestFeir
Wow man. You seem like a total fool for saying a Klingon ship can't fire while cloaked. It was a major plot point in star trek 6. Don't you feel totally stupid now.
ProblematicIdea 2 weeks ago
@TempestFeir Have you ever seen ST VI?
This wa s a great clip. Before you criticize so harshly, lets see what you can do, then we'll talk.
Trueflights 2 weeks ago
@TempestFeir You're quite pedantic for someone who can't even be bothered to learn what the video IS.
DrHouse5311 2 weeks ago
@TempestFeir I suggest you watch the ACTUAL movie, before criticizing the level of quality to this clip. Your not exactly accurate with much of your post.
As to the clip in question, i'd say the animations are pretty spot-on.
darkthunder84 1 week ago
@TempestFeir Who says ST isn't about torpedos? And the BoP from ST6 can fire while cloaked.
To make a long story short: You are an idiot! Sadly CJCA915 responded to you an therefore gave your bullshit posting a place in the front row.
Zeruju 1 week ago
@TempestFeir phasers need a lock on, they cant be fired with manual targetting without lots of calibrations, torps can be fired manually and this is from the flims it was a modified briel that can fire while cloaked. Since it was cloaked they could not target with phasers only manual fire torps. Cant remember why their shields were not raised but thats startrek for you they were almost non existent in DS9.
eraldorh 1 week ago
@TempestFeir I suggest you watch the film mate. The Klingons developed a bird of prey that could fire whilst cloaked. Christs sake, the films TWENTY years old plus, where have you been ??!!
;-D
nealster1972 5 days ago
@nealster1972 LOL. I think the sayng goes " look before you leap"
MrKellG 2 days ago
@TempestFeir Watch Star Trek VI before trying to Smash this guy's vid !!! (Nice vid CJCA915)
goflamespaul 4 days ago
@TempestFeir try watching star trek 6 ffs
joelang6126 1 day ago
That was pretty creavtive....good job
csumjr 2 weeks ago
THis was so awesome. If I had money I would hire you...twice.
Vahnson 2 weeks ago
Great!! Realy good job!!
Sovereign506 2 weeks ago
you know your a geek when you find yourself watching this lol.
HUDJames 3 weeks ago
Awesome! Nice job! :)
Evi1D0c 3 weeks ago
I don't know why people are complaining that was awsome. I could never do anything like that I AM very impressed sir
lloydi 3 weeks ago
It's funny these ships don't move at all when they're hit - 0:58, 1:19. At 0:34 there don't appear to be any stars as there are before and after.
davenielsen78 4 weeks ago
@davenielsen78 There are stars, you have to watch it in 720p and full screen... if you've seen the movie, you'd know they don't move... on impacts.
CJCA915 4 weeks ago
@CJCA915 I have seen the movie, so I know they do move when they're hit - as they did in every single one of the movies and every one of the ST TV series. And, no, there aren't any stars there.
davenielsen78 2 weeks ago
@davenielsen78 I know there are stars... as I made it.
CJCA915 2 weeks ago
Dude they having Shilds...
Nice video anyway
Duijnkiller 4 weeks ago
@Duijnkiller Dude, yes they did, but they weren't depicted in Star Trek VI.
CJCA915 4 weeks ago
@Duijnkiller this is how the movie went... besides a bird of pray does not have shields while cloaked.
Leylaashley 3 weeks ago
Its great but it jumps around too much and the music transitions make my stress go up.
dewpoint88 4 weeks ago
@dewpoint88 Well, if I wouldn't be at risk of DMCA strikes from Paramount, I would of added the dialogue into it...
CJCA915 4 weeks ago
@CJCA915 Yeah...I don't fully understand what one can do for fairuse and fan made things but the voices and what not would be great and I'm sure you have thought of it. Its funny how "they" would not like that stuff and yet it only supports the actual Star Trek product.
dewpoint88 4 weeks ago
@dewpoint88 Well, one would think such usage would be fair use if credits are given... but it seems like Paramount/CBS want their money... I mean I've contacted Paramount on at least half a dozen occasions, telling them I'm not profiting from these videos... but still, I get a DMCA... not as much as I used to... but nevertheless.
Just finished this project:
/watch?v=B4JvGbJIdNU
TMP: Drydock Tour, I added the character shots into this one...
CJCA915 4 weeks ago
@CJCA915 That spacedock flyby is super cool. I give it a 10/10. It really captured the feeling of the original. Do that with the Khitomer, I know they are different scenes, and you will have an awesome project done. Do you consider the spacedock scene finished or are you still working on it? I would have a few small ideas.
dewpoint88 4 weeks ago
@dewpoint88 The tour itself is done... but now I'm working on the departure...
CJCA915 4 weeks ago
NICE
NonstopRam 4 weeks ago
That was pretty nice, I'd like to see more battles like this one, like maybe some of the battles from one of the series or the classic ones from the movies.
AustinFan4Life 4 weeks ago
what a load of shit this is
CIeave 1 month ago
@CIeave Let me see you do better...
CJCA915 1 month ago
dude, your attention to detail, namely Enterprise's torpedo launchers warming up at about 0:15 is awesome. Keep rocking.
PipeBombTom 1 month ago
Excellent rendering work for sure.
IrishNut 1 month ago
Not bad. The cutting of the music messes it up a bit, and the bird of prey looks far too rigid in the explosion at the end.
kiml42 1 month ago
Nicely done!
plarkmoby 1 month ago
this is just the movie edited
WesAMV7569 1 month ago
@WesAMV7569 Erm, no... -_- anyone comparing this to shots of the movie will clearly see that...
CJCA915 1 month ago
@CJCA915 i have the movie, since i was a kid iv probably watched it 10 times, the only difference is that the voices have been moved out of the time sequence and edited in
WesAMV7569 1 month ago
@WesAMV7569 It's a CG recreation... obviously... so if you're just trying to troll, then go away...
CJCA915 1 month ago
@WesAMV7569 Yes, It's a CG recreation of the scenes, I can tell. I've seen the original probably about 15-20 times. Even if I saw it once or a few times I'd be able to tell, from having seen all 11 star trek movies more than once. He recreated the scenes using a cg program. so yeah. I think you need to watch the movie again and compare the vids, and if you still thing it's the exact same thing then the original, then you must have bad eyesight.
trekkieben2007 1 month ago
@CJCA915 Heh, if you think about it his attempt to troll is a good complement.
DoctorMeh 1 month ago
@DoctorMeh Compliment. But how so? This really is very bad.
davenielsen78 4 weeks ago
@davenielsen78 What is very bad?
CJCA915 4 weeks ago
@CJCA915 It's CG but very bad CG.
mrjjking77 1 month ago
@mrjjking77 Let me see you do something better... fuck off.
CJCA915 1 month ago
@WesAMV7569 You're a moron.
BarryDennen12 1 month ago
@WesAMV7569 Are you kidding? They look nothing alike.
blu4andor 1 month ago
What software did you use to make this?
RAYMOND96195 1 month ago
@RAYMOND96195 I used 3D Studio Max for the renderings, After Effects for the compositing, and Premiere for the editing...
CJCA915 1 month ago
very good!
tribeofthesun 1 month ago
Cry Havoc!! and let's slip the dogs of war!!!
scidriver 1 month ago
At 1:01, Here it comes, right up your ass!!!!
scidriver 1 month ago
The 38 Klingon crew members of the Bird of Prey have apparently visited this video... they disagreed with the ending.
MrLotharofhillpeople 1 month ago
awesome i love it !
23Revan84 1 month ago
You made this? way cool
rex669 1 month ago
@rex669 I did.
CJCA915 1 month ago
The curs are really ... really rough. Its a pity, the CG is pretty good.
CaitiVoltaire 1 month ago
AVAST THE DOGS OF WAR !!!! , kirk FIRE!!!
jeenormus 1 month ago
@jeenormus: That's "Cut loose the dogs of war," but I appreciate the sentiment just the same.
Great CGI recreation. The BoP remained too motionless as it was exploding but this remains awesome.
senatus 1 month ago
I think the Bird of Prey was a little out gunned.
GeekyGuyGamer 1 month ago
Not bad!!!!!!
TheJamesBondism 1 month ago
Nice work on the camera angles!
magnamaduin 1 month ago
Tagged teamed the Klingon !
71superbee3 2 months ago
You gave the Enterprise a hell of a lot more damage than it really took.
Squire1017A 2 months ago
@Squire1017A On the contrary, I based each impact mark off the movie...
CJCA915 2 months ago
@CJCA915
You should have dared him to make one better.
71superbee3 2 months ago
Its at at 1 min and 30 seconds it dosen't have that damage mark on the starbord near the shuttle bay.
Squire1017A 1 month ago
Way to rushed, shields were missing from both ships, the one torpedo that was supposed to glance off the dorsal section of the saucer hit instead.
Sunburn2007 2 months ago
@Sunburn2007 Have you seen the movie?
CJCA915 2 months ago
@CJCA915 Probably in the area of 120 times.
Sunburn2007 2 months ago
@Sunburn2007 Well, then you should know this represents almost exactly like the movie.
CJCA915 2 months ago
@CJCA915 LOL...if you say so.
Sunburn2007 2 months ago
@Sunburn2007 I did alter some angles, but the effects are made to match the movie.
CJCA915 2 months ago
Guess I will never know why the shields dont worked... btw good work!
MobiusOne86 2 months ago
Beautiful! Nice work.
8sdbv 2 months ago
A for effort, C for exceution. Keep trying, though. It's a good start.
TheTVTastic 2 months ago
ships cant fire when they are cloaked
ownage4561 2 months ago in playlist More videos from CJCA915
@ownage4561 Apparently you haven't seen Star Trek VI...
CJCA915 2 months ago
@ownage4561 "ships cant fire when they are cloaked" Perhaps the dumbest comment on a Star trek video... EVAH!!!
TheTVTastic 2 months ago
@ownage4561 'This one can.' - Spock
aussieivan 2 months ago
@aussieivan The cloaking device was introduced very near the beginning of TOS (Balance of Terror). Kirk and Spock stole the technology in "The Enterprise Incident", got it going in minutes. Used it once. And then the Federation never used it again. And, because the prototype-equipped ship couldn't fire when cloaked in BoT, everyone in the 23rd century assumes that the tech could never possibly advance, & would always be exactly like the prototype. How did these bozo's ever develop warp drive?
sbergman27 2 months ago
@sbergman27 Well, the Federation agreed not to develop cloaking technology, which is why Admiral Pressman was placed under arrest in TNG for hiding that 'phasing cloak.'
Well, most people use the very fact that the cloaking device took enormous power, and the Klingon's aren't notorious for keeping up... I mean they used Birds of Prey all the way into DS9...
CJCA915 2 months ago
@CJCA915 "the Federation agreed not to develop cloaking technology"
Yes, in 2311, 44 years after Kirk stole 1 that they had installed & working quite nicely in a few minutes without seeming to strain the original NCC-1701's resources badly. & the Romulans seem to like their cloaks just fine decade after decade. It just doesn't make sense. Maybe Starfleet is just too moral to skulk around the galaxy invisibly.. using the iCloak they swiped from the poor Romulan commander whose career they ruined.
sbergman27 2 months ago
@sbergman27 iCloak? LMAO!
CJCA915 2 months ago
@CJCA915 Well, portable devices were just larger in those days:
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sbergman27 2 months ago
Why didnt they just roll a window down and look around, when the bird of pray fired they could see her.. ;)
jimmypop1222 2 months ago
@jimmypop1222 Cuz cloaks don't work that way. They not only make an object invisible to sensors, but visually as well. See: Star Trek IV" The Voyage Home and the Deep Space Nine season 7 episode, 'The Emperor's New Cloak' for confirmation.
TheTVTastic 2 months ago
@TheTVTastic it was a joke, (roll down a window)????
jimmypop1222 2 months ago
@jimmypop1222 I knew you weren't serious about rolling down the window but the notion that if you just "look" out a window instead of using sensors, you can see a cloaked ship has been floated before. But, yeah, I'm no scientist but something tells me that rolling down a window on a starship would be a bad idea for a variety of reasons. :P
TheTVTastic 2 months ago
@jimmypop1222 What I could never understand was that if the thing had a "tail pipe" why couldn't Enterprise's sensors see it? Why did Spock and McCoy (of all people) have to rig up a photon torpedo with special equipment they just happened to have on board?
sbergman27 2 months ago
@sbergman27 good point the Torpedo could so why couldnt the ship, Again they should have just rolled down the window stuck there head out and looked lol.
jimmypop1222 2 months ago
@jimmypop1222 The cloak plot device has always been somewhat problematic, except for Balance of Terror. Balance of Terror had it's problems but was a brilliant story of two seasoned captains, far from home, engaged in a battle of wits. One of them had doubts about what he was fighting for. The rest of the cloak episodes have used it as a trivial plot device. Hey! Look! Their cloak has this or that flaw! (even visible to the naked eye!) Engineers of the 23rd century seem really stupid.
sbergman27 2 months ago
Budget restraints were always a problem with Star Trek. On one hand, they had excellent special effects, but would cut corners by reusing the same scenes and shots over and over. Paramount used to be pretty cheap when it came to Star Trek until Nemesis and the last movie.
jakfuki 2 months ago
@jakfuki There wasn't too terribly much of that. They spent enough on "Leaving Drydock" in ST:TMP to reuse the footage in TWoK. (Complete with the olympic class backflip.) And Regula 1 is the orbital office complex from ST:TMP filmed upside down. But other than that, most special effects were one time footage.
sbergman27 2 months ago
@sbergman27 Of course they were cheap, and reused the same effects. Just because they spent a lot of money on the drydock scenes from TMP doesn't mean they should have used the same scenes again for TWOK, Some of the TMP shots of the Enterprise cruising along were used in TWOK. TFF used drydock shots from TVH, and Generations used a few shots from TUC. Paramounbt is cheap, and reusing stock footage for their premiere franchise really sucks.
jakfuki 2 months ago
@jakfuki Look. I'm a lot more interested in the quality of the story and the quality of acting than in whether they reused special effects. I've payed quite a lot of attention to these movies over the years, and certainly noticed "Leaving Drydock". But not the "cruising along" scenes. Maybe they did. But if I didn't notice, it must have been done reasonably well. Did you watch these movies "first run"? I did. If cutting a few corners bought them Ricardo Mantalbán, I'm cool with that.
sbergman27 2 months ago
@pastramipete, @Doomsday971 All right guys. check out my channeI...I put together a video of the battle from the original movie (In HD too) and at the 3:25 to 3:27 mark Scotty says "Shields weakening!!" and you can see how far the shields are from the hull...and and 4:20 the field becomes yellow and Scotty yells "SHIELDS COLLAPSING!!" so you guys have an idea of why I'm so puzzled...
hitmantv41 2 months ago
@hitmantv41 Well, the visual representation doesn't necessarily mean the shields are that far from the hull...
CJCA915 2 months ago
Nemesis was the same way...
CJCA915 2 months ago
@CJCA915 ILM always has a thing of playing with the shields when they want drama. I never understood how a ship with shields up is damaged? What is the point of them if your ship is internally exploding? Looks like hull polarized shields. Just a let down to me
Megatron65 2 months ago
@Megatron65 "I never understood how a ship with shields up is damaged? "
Energy leakage. If you think that any defensive mechanism is 100% effective you are living in a dreamworld. A small percentage of destructive energy gets through. And packs a hell of a punch. The real question is how does a ship with impaired shields survive at all?
sbergman27 2 months ago
@sbergman27 Wouldn't the vacuum of space be a factor? I am sure I remember an episode of NG where Data explains that energy what'ever its form is sucked out and dispersed when exposed or something along these lines! I guess the Ships hull is strong enough at the end of the day and I am sure they line them with an element of Concrete or something similar to reinforce them have a look at the tech manuals I am I read that with the Hull description for the Ent D!
2490debrick 2 months ago
@CJCA915 Nemesis is a floating turd passing itself off as a feature film. It should not be mentioned when discussing STVI:TUC. Nemesis should only be mentioned when discussing such classic films as Battlefield Earth and Larry The Cable Guy's Delta Farce.
TheTVTastic 2 months ago
@TheTVTastic I liked Nemesis overall, Data dying is what ticked me off, but hey, B4 left a huge cliffhanger.
CJCA915 2 months ago
@CJCA915 It's not so much that Data died that ticked me off it's that they reduced the character to nothing more than a bunch of information that can be transferred from one computer to another, thus completely shattering 15 years of character development beginning with S2's 'Measure of a Man' where the writers told us that Data was a sentient living being and not just the sum of his parts and experiences. That and the story was awful and the dialogue was ridiculous.
TheTVTastic 2 months ago
@CJCA915 You saw my video? Hmm...touche' never thought of it that way...well thanks for discussion none the less to everyone and thanks to everyone for not giving me a hard time or flaming me! you all have class! =)
hitmantv41 2 months ago
@hitmantv41 Didn't find your video.
Doomsday971 2 months ago
I wondered how come they just don't start firing phasers the moment a torpedo was fired from the Klingons
stargazerblue186 2 months ago
@stargazerblue186 Budget...
CJCA915 2 months ago
@CJCA915 Are you saying they had something bigger in mind for this scene but had to cut down because of budget? Only time we saw the enterprise A use phasers was in the wrath of khan, after that is was all about the torpedoes. Would of liked to have scene the Enterprise A in a more action base scene.
smileygabe22 2 months ago
@smileygabe22 Possibly... effects come down to budget, which is why in Wrath of Khan, they reused the drydock sequence from The Motion Picture.
CJCA915 2 months ago
in Khitomer is enterprise C, star trek tng
raulcha1972 2 months ago
Very nicely done. :)
Bringingittothenet 3 months ago
Chang: "I am constant as the Northern star.."
Dr. McCoy: "I'd give real money if he'd shut up."
TheKansasCowboy 3 months ago
I was wondering how come when the Enterprise gets hit by torpedoes the hull just gets hit and you see hull damage? I mean in the later years when ships fire phasers on each other you see the phasers hit shields....is it because shielding is way significantly better in later years? i'm a newbie when it comes to being a Trekkie
hitmantv41 3 months ago
@hitmantv41 I'm not even sure, the Enterprise has shields... however, that doesn't explain the damage marks from shot 1, lol.
CJCA915 3 months ago
@CJCA915 no shields? but in the wrath of kahn the ent and reliant had shields..
sanderrodijk 3 months ago
@CJCA915 probably just for "effect"
opti2007 3 months ago
@CJCA915 Yeah seriously..I mean I would understand after a couple of shots and the shields are weakened but when the shield strength is still pretty healthy? =\
hitmantv41 3 months ago
@hitmantv41 often starships will run without their shields up in order to conserve energy, energy that can be used for other uses like scanners or engines. And because Klingon vessels use cloaking devices the Enterprise wouldn't have known to raise its shields until it was attacked.
kesselrunfun 3 months ago
@hitmantv41 The shield system in the "kirk" era was not so advanced as the one on Picard
In the kirk era the shild was almost on the surface of the ship, later on was expanded to form a "bubble" as you can see in the rest of the star trek saga
whatthafuckisthis 2 months ago
@whatthafuckisthis Ah thanks, I've been wondering this for years..I wonder what the "science" is behind both era's shields!
hitmantv41 2 months ago
@hitmantv41 I haven't seen the film in a long time, but I remember if you look close in one shot you see the shields flickering, sparking. It's almost as if this generation of shields are tighter, closer against the ship's hull like a second skin as opposed The Next Generation era where it's like a big bubble around the ship.
pastramipete 2 months ago
@pastramipete seems to be the common answer..but I got Star Trek VI and been watching the good parts...and in the battle I do recall the flickering part..but screens showing shield strength display the shields surrounding the ship and they look pretty thick..it's blue and after numerous hits it becomes yellow at one part then when Scotty yells "SHIELDS COLLAPSING!!!!" the entire field on the screens become yellow and start flashing..I gotta upload the battle to show what I mean..
hitmantv41 2 months ago
@hitmantv41 Think of it this way, Enterprise (NX-01) had polarized hull plating. Think of it like magnetizing the hull to deflect weapons. The Enterprise here had shields but not strong enough to set it up away from the ship, much like a superficial skin. TNG and on has stronger shields that can extend out from the ship. At least thats how I always understood it.
Doomsday971 2 months ago
@pastramipete Also in Star Trek V when the shuttle craft was going in for a crash landing in the shuttle bay...they had the lower shields and the shields surrounded the Enterprise at a pretty good distance and when they lowered shields it came down in layers..anyone else know what I'm talking about?
hitmantv41 2 months ago
I actually like some of your angles better than the orignal.
jtkirkfan2002 3 months ago
"I'd give real money if he'd shut up"
blairlikesvoyager 3 months ago
i thought the enterprise was lost at kitimer?
dafyddlewis89 3 months ago
@dafyddlewis89 No...
CJCA915 3 months ago
@CJCA915 Please dont doubt my love for the trek, my memory just sucks so bad. So when was it that the enterprise came through time and met picard then went back and got destroyed?
Nice vid aswel, loving all of the trek scenes coming out, next step is fan made films hopefully!
dafyddlewis89 3 months ago
@dafyddlewis89 You're thinking of the TNG episode 'Yesterday's Enterprise', which details the Enterprise-C, not the Enterprise-A as is shown in this clip.
spectrelead 3 months ago
@CJCA915 LMAO funny was he joking?
smileygabe22 2 months ago
@dafyddlewis89
I think you are confused with the Enterprise C, which was destroyed at the Klingon outpost Narendra III.
Snowwie88 3 months ago
@dafyddlewis89 USS Enterprise 1701C
Kirk20001 3 months ago
@dafyddlewis89 watch: star trek the undiscovered country. the 1701-A was taken out of service..later the 1701-B was launched
sanderrodijk 3 months ago
@dafyddlewis89 where did you get that from? Kittimer was where Worf's father, Morg died. It was a Romulan attack on a Klingon outpost.
kesselrunfun 3 months ago
Kirk: WHERE'S THAT DAMN TORPEDO?!?!?!???!
hitmantv41 3 months ago
@hitmantv41 McCoy: "She's READY, JIM! LOCK AND LOAD!"
TheKansasCowboy 3 months ago
@TheKansasCowboy ::Kirk stands up clenching his fist with indescribable fury:: Fire!
hitmantv41 3 months ago
@hitmantv41 *the torpedo launches from its bay, streaking through space desperately searching for its target and then... it finds it.. Chang: "To Be or not to be.." (BOOM)
TheKansasCowboy 3 months ago
@TheKansasCowboy
Sulu: Target that explosion and fire!
:: Excelsior fires two torpedoes ::
Kirk: Fire!!! ::Enterprise hurls two torpedoes::
::The Bird of Prey bounces with each torpedo strike and KA-BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!:: =P
hitmantv41 3 months ago
I can appreciate that this would have taken time and skill to do, but i wonder why do it all? The original looks better.
azraelbum 3 months ago
@azraelbum The point is taking a stab at doing it... not about trying to make it look better, no CG can ever match that of studio models.
CJCA915 3 months ago
@CJCA915 Yeah i see your point. Maybe if you do another you could the battle at Narendra III with the Enterprise C
azraelbum 3 months ago
@azraelbum Possibly.
CJCA915 3 months ago
BRAVO!!!! Very awesome work!
hitmantv41 3 months ago
Very nice work, especially (as you suggested) in HD.
Caseytify 3 months ago
This was better than most of the bullshit made by the official companies.
WHOO =D
jcdenton2k 3 months ago
uss excelsior & enterprise at the end, an epic clip
OhnoesJG 3 months ago
Nice. Wow.
reconelement 3 months ago
really well done
email9354 3 months ago
i think it was pretty good job, at matching the movie, but the death of the klingon's always sucked for 2 reasons, (and hoped you had fixed in your remake) 1. the rocking effect as it was being hit. that just throws it off from looking like its in space but more like being held by a string. 2. even tho it was rocking it just stops to blow up. i always felt they could have done a simple camera movement to at least match up. but I still love the movie and enjoyed your video
1crazyfocker 4 months ago
Having seen the original many times, I'm impressed with how much nuance you got into the renderings. A lot of the finest details of the original models' movement are there. Well done.
KARRELLIA 4 months ago
I liked it CJ. I liked how your close shots of the torpedoes, good job. Can't wait to see your newer version.
dillonmerritt 4 months ago
good effort, but the originals were so much better
jpicard 4 months ago