dudes we dont need to use foul language to insult the pakistanis ,the way they lost the war should be insulting enough . even after that i dont understand how they get the balls to come up here and comment .SHEIKH MUJIBUR RAHMAN lead us to victory and thats that.
The Sheikh was a very visionary man but his vision was unclear and kept on changing. As a young politician the Shei.kh started off with a good and clean intention but eventually fell in to the trap of greed and his influence shifted from pious and humble people like Molana Abdull Hamid Bhashani to tyrants like Joseph Stalin
First mind your dirty tongue, your abusive language is giving me an idea from what kind of society do you belong to. Mujib and his secular modernist Bengalis are not Muslims, they are allies of Hindus and your culture is also made up of Hindu culture.
@QadeemMusalman You are a BASTARD of the highest order! From that token, even that SON OF A WHORE ZULFIKAR ALI BHUTTO was also killed. And the SEWER RATS, Yahya Khan and Tikka Khan are also BURNING IN HELL. You will also burn in hell for being the arrogant, ignorant ASSHOLE that you are. Gushti Maa ki Aulaad!!!
@QadeemMusalman Read some history from RELIABLE sources instead of believing Pakistani military propaganda that was spread in 1971. This goes for all you FUCKISTANIS!
lokta 72 tay khomota chere dele aj koto shonman peto 72-75 tar family trash er rajjoto kayem korsilo... he was a good leader but a very bad administrator.
See what happend with those who broke greatest Muslim Country pakistan. Mujeeb, Bhutto and Indra, See punishment of God. We all are one. No Bangali, no punajbi, no baluchi, no sindhi, no pathan. All brothers and believer of true religion Islam.
@ijazach651 ....i see nationality and nationalism does nt give a damn to u ......the only things tht matter to u is religion.......and GREATEST MUSLIM COUNTRY PAKISTAN????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!./............................it was a artificial state ....mst remembr only religion cannot be the basis of a nation.......it nvr was and nvr will be..........look at pakistan now.....the state is so much divided........its only becuse of the mistakes of JINNAH......who wanted to bound ppl through relirion....
@MrDavyjoneslocker Idiot, religion had been the basis of a nation. It was during Rashidun Khalifa, during Osamnion Empire, Andulacia Empire of Spain and many more. The partition of India has deeply wounded the psyche of Brahmans (since they dreamt of akhand bharat). Jinnah tried united India but your fucking Nehru and Patel became an ass and refused to recognize the rights of minorities. Theywanted to have a fascist setup in India. No wonder Hitler is so popular among Hindus.
@ijazach651 ....i see nationality and nationalism does nt give a damn to u ......the only things tht matter to u is religion.......and GREATEST MUSLIM COUNTRY PAKISTAN????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!./............................it was a artificial state ....mst remembr only religion cannot be the basis of a nation.......it nvr was and nvr will be..........look at pakistan now.....the state is so much divided........its only becuse of the mistakes of JINNAH......who wanted to bound ppl through relirion....
Sheikh mujib was a power hungry creature who wanted to be the king of Bangladesh through creation of reserved forces, BAKSAL and banning newspapers. This creature killed the democracy in the bud in Bangladesh, otherwise democracy could have taken a different path and flourish. So, Mujib should be brought to justice posthumously and the bitch he gave birth to who is now the leading Bangladesh to astray through anti-Bangladesh secret deals with India must also be punished.
Such great heroes, to murder unarmed women and children. Whatever Mujibur may or may not have done, his 10 year old son hardly deserved to die for it.
i think those peoples who killed mujib should be remembered as great heros of bengali for thousand years of bengali history. Mujib was exependable at that time. He killed more people than NAzi hitler.
i am a Bengali who believes every one that killed our founding father and his family should be murdered especially Khaled Mosharraf, who tried to live in USA and escape but he was taken back to Bangladesh and hanged ,but his family is still in USA so i want to say something to them your blood is disgusting be shame on your self
@jixalfx / i m urdu speaking.. tm kia smjtay ho mujeb jannat mai gya hoga iski aaj kabar khod kar dekh lo jutiye par rahi hongi saalay ko. mujeeb kutta kuttay ki moot hi mra na akhir. iski kabar mai to aag bharak rhi hogi. gaddar tha ye. mir sadiq or mir jaffar ki ullad ho tm sub bhokay bangali.
This was shame for those army people and all those civilians who were behind the killing of sheikh and his family members.Nothing can judge it..I wonder why all the elected govts.of bangladesh are so quiet to investigate and procecute those people. Are they the branches of this vile crime.
Thank you very much for this wonderful video Document.
Sheikh Mujib ur Rehman was a great leader, nice person who loves his country and his country fellow- he was Great Leader as Maha Atma Gandhi en Nelsen Mandela. Allah may give him a higher place in Jannat. Amin
man u r really annoying i anzed ur q u just didnt understand it gosh. anyway uff if dhaka had 15% of bd pop karchi.lahore,islamabad ,peshwar, and rest of pak can take 40% of bd ppl we r tlkin abt hypothesis lets tlk abt kolkata nt a best run city in india it has 45% non bengali pop in mumbai 47% r non maharasthrian much urbanized pak wud hav bigger bd pop west pak had lil incentive to come to bd wher east paki had much more incentive to go west pak ufff
The spending on east pakistan was significantly lower than the spending in West pakistan even thought the population was far greater in the east. Political powere was also dominated by the Pakistanis, especially the punjabis. Bengalis were merely represented in the military. There were discrminations all over. You should seriously consider moving to pakistan you little traitor.
If the difference betwen bangladeshi and Pakistani GDP was greater in 71 than in 2008 as you mentioned below, how does it make sense that we should continue to be a part of pakistan. There are contradictions in your arguments. You really dont know what you are talking about. You also acknowlegded that Bangladesh was poorer than the pakistanis back then. What is your argument. Its really not making sense.
Trying to ridicule me when you fully well know that what you have mentioned below do not add up. Besides the discrepncies demonstrated in your arguments, our arguments are coming from completely different premises. Its a bit like realism and liberalism. Both demonstrate perspectives in international relations theory, both contradict each other yet both are correct to an extent.
Stop evading my questions and give the sources so that I may verify its authenticity. Either ways, right or wrong, the soverignty of Bangladesh will always prevail over economic concessions. Since bengalis are so capcable of maintaining themselves, why should they need the Pakistanis.
You are just trying to silnce me just like the ways some jews try to silence palestinian people on the basis of anti-semitism when these palestininas have just commented on Israeli agression. The palestnins are the victims, yet the opressors have the audacity to call them anti-semites. This is exactly what you are doing right now.
U R racist rite now pak gdp is $550 bil bd is $200 bil the diff was far grtr in 71(thnx to ngo works in bd) mujib said it was bcz of pak explotition fact was east pak far poorer thn west pak mujib lied just 2 make ppl angry east west economic diff was just nt bcz of discrimination political leader like sk mujib misled tellin ppl thr money were stolen the reason west pak was rich was bcz of bengal money why u duped by those corrupt politician?
You said some of your relatives died in teh war. So in your opinion, they just died in vain. You are being disrepectful to the people in your family who have given up their lives for Bangladesh, if indeed they have. You are just like the razakars. TRAITOR. And im not racist. You are like the zionists who silences criticism when they are faced with the truth. You are shame on the nation of Bangladesh if you are Bengali at all.
i dont know you but all ur response is telling me
u hav little history knowldge and u dnt hav any abstractism
eventhough i givin many data and information
like comparing gdp/ sk mujib's 6 point manifesto/bengali head of govt of pakistan who did nothing/or sk mujibs failure to attarct west pak vote/his failure to properly ready bd ppl prior to 71/sk mujibs destruction of democracy/population advantage of bd/illegal immigration to india,pak
Facts and figures a side, it is the soveriegnty of Bangladesh which should be considered the most important thing. You can give me your figures, butI dont have any books to check them against right now. Besides, Im not denying the economic problems in Bangldesh right now. My point is that you are too keen on selling the indepdence of Bangladesh for economic gains. Selfish and greedy. Your attitude is like Mir Jafar. Go on, try and sell your country you fool
If you acknowlegde to the fact that Bnegalis are smarter than the Pakistanis, than why is it neccessary to be a part of Pakistan. And where id you get your "40% of all Pakistani descendeants of Pakistanis would be Benagli descendents" from.
My main reason for saying "what is the point in having all the wealth" is to dispute your point about Bangladesh being better off under Pakistani rule but no soverienty. I have never denied the imporatnce if economy for the cause of conflict.
And giving facts and figure does not prove you have historical knowlegde. All it shows is that you have some datas in front of you, right or wrong, that you are citing.
You still have not provided me the sources of your data as requested below, especially for the comment that "thru natural migration by now atleast 40% of all west paki wud b bengali decendents".
You are still not provideing me with your sources. because I am extremely keen to knwo how 40% of pakistani would have become bengali descendants by now. And yes, I know people go where infrastructure and jobs are. You think Pakistan is the only place the Bengalis migrate to. There are well over 30million Bengali diaspora around the globe. Outward migration is not a recent phenomenon. Historians agree that Bengalis have migrated to various parts of the south Asia continent throughout history.
What is the point in having all the wealth if you are just a puppet. Maybe you should migrate to Pakistan and be their slaves. And you need to re-evaluate your understanding of racism traitor.
I didnt say whats wealth go to do with it. Read it carefully. My emphasis was to show that there is no point in having the wealth if your going to be subject of foreign rule. Poor people in abngladesh were already suffering. And I didnt make any mention of land being not important. You just making stuff up now. Face it, your either pakistani or a sell out traitor.
Before 1971, there were discrimination against the bangaldeshis on all sectors of professions. I dont think your argument has any subsance to it, especially considering that Bengalis were no better off before 71. We cannot empirically prove that the Bangaldeshis would have prospered under Pakistani rule. We can only go on from what has been done to the Bengalis in 71 and prior to that date by the Pakistanis. And on those basis, I conclude that it is better to be an indepden soveriegn nation.
Personally, I would prefer a confrontation for the cause of indepednce than be ruled by Pakistanis who have nothing but contempt for Bengalis. Im really dissappointed with your views on this matter. Mujib or not, I would have supported any leader of Bangladesh for that freedom.
i hav traveled 2 india and pak in karchi most house servant r frm bd most rikshawala in delhi r frm bd day labourer in assam n west bengals r mostly bd mumbay fisherman all r frm bd police harrased thm everytime why bd ppl go to karachi to became a servant u n i both bangladeshi during the 1st 11 yrs all pak leader were bengali(khaza nazim,md ali,md ali bogra,iskandar mirza,surwardy) why didnt they do anythin? we shud hold our leadrs accountable
Mate, id rather live in a confined space in Bangladesh than live in a palace under the opression of the Pakistani government who always look down on the Bengalis. This attitude go from top-bottom down- to the grass roots level where they consider the bengalis as inferior. I really dont see how staying with Pakistan would have got Bangladesh out of the economic deprivation. They were suferring economically then. At least now they have economic freedom to dictate their own future.
ppl frm noakhali r branded as fraud bd ppl think tht pak think bengalis r inferior so wht we got numbers we were majority i think u belive paki ppl r very unfair n thr only wish is to use bengali n take thr money away i belive in bd ppl if given chance we can do anything bengali r culturally advanced thn paki im nt afraid of livin wth punjabi it is the punjabi who will work fr me not me i think punjabi shud afraid to liv wth bengali sk mujib gave bengali the inferiority complex
Mate, I certainly dont feel inferior, in front of anyone for that matter. But I know when people look down on the Bnegalis and always have one sly comment to make. What is the point in living with someone when they just going to persecute you. The worst form of persecution are the sly ones. Persecution do not have to come at the political level, it is actually worse when it comes at the socila level, when the general Pakistani feel that they are better than the Bnagladeshi counterparts.
How can you call someone racists when they have just made a defensive statment. The operative word here is "general Pakistanis", impplying that there are room for few who do not look down upon bengalis. You need to re-evaluate your understanding of racism.lol.
You really dont know what youre talking about. When did he lie. He was an honest man who was forced to retract on some of his promises because of some unforeseen circumstances. Its easy sitting on your desk to label someone a lier and a faker, but I bet you cannot provide me the relevance of "faker" with regards to Mujib. All your assumtpitions about him are views of his political opponents, who had not studied him.
Again you mention "faker" and yet again you fail to identify what he faked. You using thses nonsensical terms that do not apply in this context. "He didnt feild any candidate in West Pakistan..." what are you talking about mate. You not making sense. No pakistani leader went to bangladesh for their vote. He was not popular because he promised poor people "goodie bags". He was a popular leader because he was deeemed as someone standing up for the rights of Bangaldeshi people.
we had a natural sorrounding sprasly pplated area to grow(asam,arunachal,orrissa,ect)but our stupid leader took us out frm india.
it was not bad
we were absoulte majority where combined sindhi,baluchi,punjabi pathan were not eqal in numbers wth us and 400,000 sq miles of pak compare to 55000 sq
thru natural migration huge part of west pak wud be bangali inhabiated had we nt separated
Mujib atrracted vote for the reason that Benaglis as a race were being discriminated against by the Pakistani government. Why do you think Bhutto did not accept Mujib as the Prime Minister. Its because he was bengali, and because the centre of political gravity would have shifted eastwards from West Pakistan. I really dont understand, are you bengali?
a leader shud b a visonary to anticipate wht mite happen in future is his job his stubborness in early 1971 made bengali very militant and pak military very aggressive bcz of geography of pak east pak was easy to secede if it did nt happen in 71 it wud happen in 1980 but 3 mil ppl lives wud saved 6 dofa was (2 currency.2 army,2central bank,ect)essentially a independece declaration no country can accept tht he left his uneducated,poor ppl unprepared in confrontation visonary=no
Bengalis were not militant. Militancy was a reaction against the operation serachlight. Bengalis were caught off guard whcih demonstartes that it was not their intention to fight the Pakistanis. The lack of preparation is a further demonstration that they did not want conflict. So your argument that if it didnt happen in 71 it would have happen in 1980 and that 3 million lives wold have been saved is unfound. Essentially what you are saying is it was Mujibs fault that Pakisan committed gencide
And do you know why there are few educated people in Bnagladesh. Its because the purpose of the Pakistani genocide was to wipe out the intelligentsia so that there would be limited future resistance against Pakistan. Furthermore, the call to indepdence was a spontaneous reaction against unforseen circumstances. This is exactly the reason why he appears to have been unprepared.
When there was a cyclone in 1970, Pakistani governemtn was slow to react leaving millions of Bangladeshis to die as a result. Where was the support and where was the consideration for those bengalis. I have already mentioned below, Mujib did not attract the votes of poor people. You are arguing from an incorrect premise that it was poor peoples vote or people who were economically deprived that Mujib attracted.
its the job of a leader to care abt poor ppl n ppl who r left out. in 71 all his election menifesto aimed at bengali he did nt mention a single thing tht cud help ppl in beluchistan or peswar he did nt even tried to became leader of all pakistani he acted as reginal leader in march 71 he drove ppl so angry, he essentialy lost control any compromise wud made mujib a traitor instead of leadin ppl he started to fllow the mob mob who believed in sonarbangla a false dream showed by mujib
The ideology of sonar bangla was a reaction to what had already taken place. The nationalistic ideologies were the consequence of Pakistan's rejection of Mujibs victory in 1971.
all my uncles were freedom fighters our family suffred lot but im nt gonna judge history thru my personal exp mujib failed massivly during 71 ppl belived in him and failed to lead he was asked to scrap the idea of 2 army,2 currency or 2 central bank no country can allow such thing can bd allow sylet 2 hav thr own curency or army? if mujib stand on his idea a contfrontation was bound to happen ppl in east pak no longer listenin to pak govt mujib didnt prepared his ppl fr a fight
As a bangladeshi who have suffered at the hands of the Pakistanis, you ought to knwo better than to insist that Bangladesh was better of being part of Pakistan, or at least you were implying something along those lines. You remind me a lot about how the razakars, al badr and jammaati Islamiyya viewed Bangladesh at the time. Im not accussing you of being one of them, but given your views, its difficult to distinguish you from them.
u r right i think untd pak wud hav benifital to bengalis we need place to grow rite now im fr free trade union btwn india bd which a rajakar mite nt like india is 26 times bigger thn bd but pop is only 8 times ppl in bd suffering and #1 reason is land its true bd ppl were economically suffred b4 71 but we were majority ppl pakistan which is 8 times bigger thn bd wud giv us space ppl of pak wud spk bengali since we were 60% of ppl just like most non hindi indians knows hindi
What are you guys talking about. how can you disrespect the freedom fighter that is Sheikh Mujib ur-Rahman. He freed millions from Pakistani oppression. It is not his fault Pakistani army killed millions. His the reason why 150 million bengalis are known as bengalis and not just a subject population of Pakistan. If you guys below are bengalis, i suggets you change your attitude. If you are Pakistani, well your opinion in thi matter does not really matter.
sk mujib was a faker.only thing he loved was power
he gave ppl false hope and he had no ideolgy.
he also had no humanity
during 1970 election he never traveled to west pak and asked fr thr vote but there r poor punjabi ,beluchi ,sindhi,pasthun or kashmiri.he blamed all west paki.
he just drove east pak crazy.
in only 3 yrs he tried made bd a communist country.
single party, everything own by govt,no press freedom.
I dont recall seeing any of the Pakistani leaders going to bangladesh to push their votes. Sheikh Mujib was a good war time leader. You think three years is enough to change a new country that has just come out of a devastating war where a genocide had taken place. Its been fourteen years in rwnada since the genocide and still no progress. How do you think Mujib was going to change everything in one three years.
dudes we dont need to use foul language to insult the pakistanis ,the way they lost the war should be insulting enough . even after that i dont understand how they get the balls to come up here and comment .SHEIKH MUJIBUR RAHMAN lead us to victory and thats that.
MrArif1971 3 months ago
salute to army persons who kill the shaikh mujeeb.
may ALLAH put him in heaven.
aakhan21 5 months ago
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The Sheikh was a very visionary man but his vision was unclear and kept on changing. As a young politician the Shei.kh started off with a good and clean intention but eventually fell in to the trap of greed and his influence shifted from pious and humble people like Molana Abdull Hamid Bhashani to tyrants like Joseph Stalin
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ijury 7 months ago
First mind your dirty tongue, your abusive language is giving me an idea from what kind of society do you belong to. Mujib and his secular modernist Bengalis are not Muslims, they are allies of Hindus and your culture is also made up of Hindu culture.
QadeemMusalman 10 months ago
May Allah curse this hypocrite traitor Mujib ur Rehman, the slave of Hindus!
This traitors was wiped out by his own country men and the old Hindu witch was also killed her fellow Indians. How ironic!
QadeemMusalman 1 year ago
@QadeemMusalman You are a BASTARD of the highest order! From that token, even that SON OF A WHORE ZULFIKAR ALI BHUTTO was also killed. And the SEWER RATS, Yahya Khan and Tikka Khan are also BURNING IN HELL. You will also burn in hell for being the arrogant, ignorant ASSHOLE that you are. Gushti Maa ki Aulaad!!!
okinawa8282 10 months ago
@QadeemMusalman Read some history from RELIABLE sources instead of believing Pakistani military propaganda that was spread in 1971. This goes for all you FUCKISTANIS!
okinawa8282 10 months ago
@QadeemMusalman Samjhey, Mr. FUCKISTANI FUCKFACE? :-)
okinawa8282 10 months ago
lokta 72 tay khomota chere dele aj koto shonman peto 72-75 tar family trash er rajjoto kayem korsilo... he was a good leader but a very bad administrator.
cfhasib 1 year ago
See what happend with those who broke greatest Muslim Country pakistan. Mujeeb, Bhutto and Indra, See punishment of God. We all are one. No Bangali, no punajbi, no baluchi, no sindhi, no pathan. All brothers and believer of true religion Islam.
ijazach651 1 year ago
@ijazach651 ....i see nationality and nationalism does nt give a damn to u ......the only things tht matter to u is religion.......and GREATEST MUSLIM COUNTRY PAKISTAN????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!./............................it was a artificial state ....mst remembr only religion cannot be the basis of a nation.......it nvr was and nvr will be..........look at pakistan now.....the state is so much divided........its only becuse of the mistakes of JINNAH......who wanted to bound ppl through relirion....
MrDavyjoneslocker 9 months ago
@MrDavyjoneslocker Idiot, religion had been the basis of a nation. It was during Rashidun Khalifa, during Osamnion Empire, Andulacia Empire of Spain and many more. The partition of India has deeply wounded the psyche of Brahmans (since they dreamt of akhand bharat). Jinnah tried united India but your fucking Nehru and Patel became an ass and refused to recognize the rights of minorities. Theywanted to have a fascist setup in India. No wonder Hitler is so popular among Hindus.
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@ijazach651 ....i see nationality and nationalism does nt give a damn to u ......the only things tht matter to u is religion.......and GREATEST MUSLIM COUNTRY PAKISTAN????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!./............................it was a artificial state ....mst remembr only religion cannot be the basis of a nation.......it nvr was and nvr will be..........look at pakistan now.....the state is so much divided........its only becuse of the mistakes of JINNAH......who wanted to bound ppl through relirion....
MrDavyjoneslocker 9 months ago
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Musi-Raam's (mujibur rahman) killers are mujahids, they have ended Indias attempts to colonise the newly independent nation.
Allah has saved the people of Bangladesh from slavery
Musi-Raam killers are martyrs may Allah grant them Jannah.
anharmah 1 year ago
Sheikh mujib was a power hungry creature who wanted to be the king of Bangladesh through creation of reserved forces, BAKSAL and banning newspapers. This creature killed the democracy in the bud in Bangladesh, otherwise democracy could have taken a different path and flourish. So, Mujib should be brought to justice posthumously and the bitch he gave birth to who is now the leading Bangladesh to astray through anti-Bangladesh secret deals with India must also be punished.
mahabub77 2 years ago
Such great heroes, to murder unarmed women and children. Whatever Mujibur may or may not have done, his 10 year old son hardly deserved to die for it.
Hist0ryBuff 2 years ago
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suhanea75 2 years ago
i think those peoples who killed mujib should be remembered as great heros of bengali for thousand years of bengali history. Mujib was exependable at that time. He killed more people than NAzi hitler.
hassantausif 2 years ago
Mujib only gave bloodshed and poverty to Bangalis.he wanted endless rule on Bangladesh.Muslims are 1 nations .there is no Bangali nation.
silverhawck 2 years ago
Sheikh Mujibur Rahman was a great leader but his daughter is a great liar.
apsonapu 2 years ago
creation of BD was actually betrayal of a nation led by mujib
kfdanish 2 years ago
yeakii shiekh stupid leader he should be punished harder then to kill .....he betrayed the Bangladesh as a national country......
atante1984 2 years ago
yap long live AMAR BANGLADESH
jiisdes 2 years ago 2
i am a Bengali who believes every one that killed our founding father and his family should be murdered especially Khaled Mosharraf, who tried to live in USA and escape but he was taken back to Bangladesh and hanged ,but his family is still in USA so i want to say something to them your blood is disgusting be shame on your self
AlfaraviS 2 years ago
Bangabandhu was killed by the foreign powers .
upolislam 3 years ago
May Allah swt grant Sheikh Mujibur Rahman a place in jannat. Amin.
jixalfx 3 years ago 11
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NOT possible, he is a TOOL to kill hundred thousands of innocent unarmed Non Bengalies in 1971
MohammadiBegum 2 years ago
@jixalfx i... agree.. thanx for writin this... your words make speachless..:)
happybuddies546 1 year ago
@jixalfx / i m urdu speaking.. tm kia smjtay ho mujeb jannat mai gya hoga iski aaj kabar khod kar dekh lo jutiye par rahi hongi saalay ko. mujeeb kutta kuttay ki moot hi mra na akhir. iski kabar mai to aag bharak rhi hogi. gaddar tha ye. mir sadiq or mir jaffar ki ullad ho tm sub bhokay bangali.
alirathore195 1 month ago
This was shame for those army people and all those civilians who were behind the killing of sheikh and his family members.Nothing can judge it..I wonder why all the elected govts.of bangladesh are so quiet to investigate and procecute those people. Are they the branches of this vile crime.
automnbird 3 years ago
Thank you very much for this wonderful video Document.
Sheikh Mujib ur Rehman was a great leader, nice person who loves his country and his country fellow- he was Great Leader as Maha Atma Gandhi en Nelsen Mandela. Allah may give him a higher place in Jannat. Amin
Fahad.---- Amsterdam ( Karachi
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neolithic9 3 years ago
The spending on east pakistan was significantly lower than the spending in West pakistan even thought the population was far greater in the east. Political powere was also dominated by the Pakistanis, especially the punjabis. Bengalis were merely represented in the military. There were discrminations all over. You should seriously consider moving to pakistan you little traitor.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
If the difference betwen bangladeshi and Pakistani GDP was greater in 71 than in 2008 as you mentioned below, how does it make sense that we should continue to be a part of pakistan. There are contradictions in your arguments. You really dont know what you are talking about. You also acknowlegded that Bangladesh was poorer than the pakistanis back then. What is your argument. Its really not making sense.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
am i arguing wth some1 wth college education?
its a 500 chrcter utube
cant explain everythin
just sayin its ezer make progress frm 2 to 3 thn 3 to 4
if u dnt understand it plz dnt reply
neolithic9 3 years ago
Trying to ridicule me when you fully well know that what you have mentioned below do not add up. Besides the discrepncies demonstrated in your arguments, our arguments are coming from completely different premises. Its a bit like realism and liberalism. Both demonstrate perspectives in international relations theory, both contradict each other yet both are correct to an extent.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
Stop evading my questions and give the sources so that I may verify its authenticity. Either ways, right or wrong, the soverignty of Bangladesh will always prevail over economic concessions. Since bengalis are so capcable of maintaining themselves, why should they need the Pakistanis.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
Are you a big alim of Islam by any chance?
SDSen 3 years ago
No, just a curious student of political science!
moehasan 3 years ago
You are just trying to silnce me just like the ways some jews try to silence palestinian people on the basis of anti-semitism when these palestininas have just commented on Israeli agression. The palestnins are the victims, yet the opressors have the audacity to call them anti-semites. This is exactly what you are doing right now.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
neolithic9 3 years ago
You said some of your relatives died in teh war. So in your opinion, they just died in vain. You are being disrepectful to the people in your family who have given up their lives for Bangladesh, if indeed they have. You are just like the razakars. TRAITOR. And im not racist. You are like the zionists who silences criticism when they are faced with the truth. You are shame on the nation of Bangladesh if you are Bengali at all.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
i dont know you but all ur response is telling me
u hav little history knowldge and u dnt hav any abstractism
eventhough i givin many data and information
like comparing gdp/ sk mujib's 6 point manifesto/bengali head of govt of pakistan who did nothing/or sk mujibs failure to attarct west pak vote/his failure to properly ready bd ppl prior to 71/sk mujibs destruction of democracy/population advantage of bd/illegal immigration to india,pak
ur anz r factless hallow
ur a naive person
neolithic9 3 years ago
Facts and figures a side, it is the soveriegnty of Bangladesh which should be considered the most important thing. You can give me your figures, butI dont have any books to check them against right now. Besides, Im not denying the economic problems in Bangldesh right now. My point is that you are too keen on selling the indepdence of Bangladesh for economic gains. Selfish and greedy. Your attitude is like Mir Jafar. Go on, try and sell your country you fool
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
no where in history majority ppl seek indipendece frm minority
its like rest of bangladesh asking indipendence frm dhaka city
y u think we wud b puppet fr west paki?
r they smarter thn us?
a same farming land in punjub cost less th 1/3 thn bd
a same flat in karchi cost less thn dhaka
thru natural migration by now atleast 40% of all west paki wud b bengali decendent
and we wud hav 50% less population in bd
ppl in bd wud lived a comfortable life
ur an ignorant idiot
neolithic9 3 years ago
If you acknowlegde to the fact that Bnegalis are smarter than the Pakistanis, than why is it neccessary to be a part of Pakistan. And where id you get your "40% of all Pakistani descendeants of Pakistanis would be Benagli descendents" from.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
My main reason for saying "what is the point in having all the wealth" is to dispute your point about Bangladesh being better off under Pakistani rule but no soverienty. I have never denied the imporatnce if economy for the cause of conflict.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
And giving facts and figure does not prove you have historical knowlegde. All it shows is that you have some datas in front of you, right or wrong, that you are citing.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
You still have not provided me the sources of your data as requested below, especially for the comment that "thru natural migration by now atleast 40% of all west paki wud b bengali decendents".
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
grater dhaka is home to 20 mil bd ppl
its like 15% bd ppl lives in dhaka
y?
ppl go wher infrastrcture n jobs r there
by devolping west pak faster thn east pak
west pak incidently created a magnet fr migration
gosh r u really tht naive?
rofl
neolithic9 3 years ago
You are still not provideing me with your sources. because I am extremely keen to knwo how 40% of pakistani would have become bengali descendants by now. And yes, I know people go where infrastructure and jobs are. You think Pakistan is the only place the Bengalis migrate to. There are well over 30million Bengali diaspora around the globe. Outward migration is not a recent phenomenon. Historians agree that Bengalis have migrated to various parts of the south Asia continent throughout history.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
What is the point in having all the wealth if you are just a puppet. Maybe you should migrate to Pakistan and be their slaves. And you need to re-evaluate your understanding of racism traitor.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
u see its pointless 2 argue wth u
#1 reason fr bd to break up frm pak was economy
it was nt tht west pak treating us bad
it was economy
now ur saying wht wealth has to do wth it?
u dnt even know the root causes fr 71 civil war
go study
india putting a wall around bd at cost of 8 billion dollar to stop illegal immigration frm bd
n ur saying land has nothin to do wth our well being
poor ppl in bd r suffering fr ur stupid pride
neolithic9 3 years ago
I didnt say whats wealth go to do with it. Read it carefully. My emphasis was to show that there is no point in having the wealth if your going to be subject of foreign rule. Poor people in abngladesh were already suffering. And I didnt make any mention of land being not important. You just making stuff up now. Face it, your either pakistani or a sell out traitor.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
Before 1971, there were discrimination against the bangaldeshis on all sectors of professions. I dont think your argument has any subsance to it, especially considering that Bengalis were no better off before 71. We cannot empirically prove that the Bangaldeshis would have prospered under Pakistani rule. We can only go on from what has been done to the Bengalis in 71 and prior to that date by the Pakistanis. And on those basis, I conclude that it is better to be an indepden soveriegn nation.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
Personally, I would prefer a confrontation for the cause of indepednce than be ruled by Pakistanis who have nothing but contempt for Bengalis. Im really dissappointed with your views on this matter. Mujib or not, I would have supported any leader of Bangladesh for that freedom.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
neolithic9 3 years ago
Mate, id rather live in a confined space in Bangladesh than live in a palace under the opression of the Pakistani government who always look down on the Bengalis. This attitude go from top-bottom down- to the grass roots level where they consider the bengalis as inferior. I really dont see how staying with Pakistan would have got Bangladesh out of the economic deprivation. They were suferring economically then. At least now they have economic freedom to dictate their own future.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
neolithic9 3 years ago
Mate, I certainly dont feel inferior, in front of anyone for that matter. But I know when people look down on the Bnegalis and always have one sly comment to make. What is the point in living with someone when they just going to persecute you. The worst form of persecution are the sly ones. Persecution do not have to come at the political level, it is actually worse when it comes at the socila level, when the general Pakistani feel that they are better than the Bnagladeshi counterparts.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
you branding a whole nation as biased?
is like branding all muslim terroist
or all black ppl r criminal
sorry dude
i dnt argue wth racist ppl
neolithic9 3 years ago
How can you call someone racists when they have just made a defensive statment. The operative word here is "general Pakistanis", impplying that there are room for few who do not look down upon bengalis. You need to re-evaluate your understanding of racism.lol.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
You really dont know what youre talking about. When did he lie. He was an honest man who was forced to retract on some of his promises because of some unforeseen circumstances. Its easy sitting on your desk to label someone a lier and a faker, but I bet you cannot provide me the relevance of "faker" with regards to Mujib. All your assumtpitions about him are views of his political opponents, who had not studied him.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
sk mujib was an Obsessive populist and a faker
was a poor punjabi's suffering less thn a poor bengali?poor ppl in pakistan still suffering.yet he wanted to b prime minister of them too.
he didnt even field any caidate in west pak let alone asked fr vote
why he never been to west pak asked fr thr votes
bcoz tht mite made bengali less angry n loss vote
as mahority of pakistan we bengali had more responsibility to take care of other minority
sk mujib failed to do so.
neolithic9 3 years ago
Again you mention "faker" and yet again you fail to identify what he faked. You using thses nonsensical terms that do not apply in this context. "He didnt feild any candidate in West Pakistan..." what are you talking about mate. You not making sense. No pakistani leader went to bangladesh for their vote. He was not popular because he promised poor people "goodie bags". He was a popular leader because he was deeemed as someone standing up for the rights of Bangaldeshi people.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
he was fake democrats bcz he banned all political party,news paper
thts why i called him faker
he was a racist tlkin abt only his ppls problem igonoring other minority.
after 71 he asked ctg hill tribes to became bengali(funny since bengali is enthnicity nt nationality)
he gave ppl false hope
bengali in 1970 got idea frm mujib tht east pak is very rich
west pak stealin everythin away
just breakin away frm west wud instantly made thm very rich
nothing was farther frm truth
neolithic9 3 years ago
number 1 thing bangladesh need is place to grow
we had a natural sorrounding sprasly pplated area to grow(asam,arunachal,orrissa,ect)but our stupid leader took us out frm india.
it was not bad
we were absoulte majority where combined sindhi,baluchi,punjabi pathan were not eqal in numbers wth us and 400,000 sq miles of pak compare to 55000 sq
thru natural migration huge part of west pak wud be bangali inhabiated had we nt separated
reginal based wud be ineffective
sk mujib had no vision
neolithic9 3 years ago
Mujib atrracted vote for the reason that Benaglis as a race were being discriminated against by the Pakistani government. Why do you think Bhutto did not accept Mujib as the Prime Minister. Its because he was bengali, and because the centre of political gravity would have shifted eastwards from West Pakistan. I really dont understand, are you bengali?
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
neolithic9 3 years ago
Bengalis were not militant. Militancy was a reaction against the operation serachlight. Bengalis were caught off guard whcih demonstartes that it was not their intention to fight the Pakistanis. The lack of preparation is a further demonstration that they did not want conflict. So your argument that if it didnt happen in 71 it would have happen in 1980 and that 3 million lives wold have been saved is unfound. Essentially what you are saying is it was Mujibs fault that Pakisan committed gencide
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
And do you know why there are few educated people in Bnagladesh. Its because the purpose of the Pakistani genocide was to wipe out the intelligentsia so that there would be limited future resistance against Pakistan. Furthermore, the call to indepdence was a spontaneous reaction against unforseen circumstances. This is exactly the reason why he appears to have been unprepared.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
mujib was exciter makin ppl mad wthout any idea.
narrow minded didnt care abt poor baluchi or migrant mujjahir in karchi
he never address thr pain and suffering
is pain of poor bengali differ frm poor pathan?
all he did creating hate aganist one ppl another
he wanted to become pakistan prime minister only through bengali votes
he didnt try to get vote frm suffering punjabi yet he wanted to be his prime minister too.
neolithic9 3 years ago
When there was a cyclone in 1970, Pakistani governemtn was slow to react leaving millions of Bangladeshis to die as a result. Where was the support and where was the consideration for those bengalis. I have already mentioned below, Mujib did not attract the votes of poor people. You are arguing from an incorrect premise that it was poor peoples vote or people who were economically deprived that Mujib attracted.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
neolithic9 3 years ago
The ideology of sonar bangla was a reaction to what had already taken place. The nationalistic ideologies were the consequence of Pakistan's rejection of Mujibs victory in 1971.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
neolithic9 3 years ago
As a bangladeshi who have suffered at the hands of the Pakistanis, you ought to knwo better than to insist that Bangladesh was better of being part of Pakistan, or at least you were implying something along those lines. You remind me a lot about how the razakars, al badr and jammaati Islamiyya viewed Bangladesh at the time. Im not accussing you of being one of them, but given your views, its difficult to distinguish you from them.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
neolithic9 3 years ago
What are you guys talking about. how can you disrespect the freedom fighter that is Sheikh Mujib ur-Rahman. He freed millions from Pakistani oppression. It is not his fault Pakistani army killed millions. His the reason why 150 million bengalis are known as bengalis and not just a subject population of Pakistan. If you guys below are bengalis, i suggets you change your attitude. If you are Pakistani, well your opinion in thi matter does not really matter.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
sk mujib was a faker.only thing he loved was power
he gave ppl false hope and he had no ideolgy.
he also had no humanity
during 1970 election he never traveled to west pak and asked fr thr vote but there r poor punjabi ,beluchi ,sindhi,pasthun or kashmiri.he blamed all west paki.
he just drove east pak crazy.
in only 3 yrs he tried made bd a communist country.
single party, everything own by govt,no press freedom.
i have seen no quality in sk mujib
he is a liar and a faker.
neolithic9 3 years ago
I dont recall seeing any of the Pakistani leaders going to bangladesh to push their votes. Sheikh Mujib was a good war time leader. You think three years is enough to change a new country that has just come out of a devastating war where a genocide had taken place. Its been fourteen years in rwnada since the genocide and still no progress. How do you think Mujib was going to change everything in one three years.
sheikhalislam 3 years ago
Younous786 you son of a B*tch you dont know what you are talking about!!
bengalsaree 3 years ago
thank god....this evil has died in 1975
washrafulw 4 years ago
Thanks so much
irteja 4 years ago
he died like a pig.bec.he was a tratter.and he he is responsibal thousend of killing .
he and bhutto .indragandhi.yayahak khan.zia ur rehaman.
Younus786 4 years ago