Naomi Klein talks about Taking on the Empire

[capricious71]

I don't know Matt Rothschild's views but it seems somewhat ironic that a Rothschild should be a part of all this.

[rosiethebear300]

@capricious71 He's not related , is he??

[HudsonRand]

Oh, I have such a crush going on Naomi. Wow, eh.

[brahmbhattbhavna]

amy's bitch

[bradchesney11]

Well, whatever we do, we need to be on the side that doesn't work hard for a living. I think we're clever and savvy enough to figure out some way. Let's keep pointing our fingers at other people and blame them for making things bad for everyone else but us. We've got book deals and lecture circuits to make money from. Interesting times. Interesting times.

[daskumarraj1]

The financial institutes and the corporations have taken control of the governments. We need social conscience like the speakers mentioned. People of every country should take control of governments, With no foreign intervention in any form. The Federal Reserve is secretive institution by toxic capitalists, the World Bank, and the IMF should be abolished. The money lenders in the food world should be tried for swindling with excessive interests like the credit card companies. proper education.

[daskumarraj1]

It is refreshing to hear intellectual socially conscious people like the three speakers we heard. There are socially conscious people throughout this world. But they are fighting against the common enemy, greedy ill educated right-wing fundamentalists with tons of money and the media, and even the educational Institute to support them. We need a total peaceful revolution starting with the financial and corporate monopoly of governments. We have to unite, educate and form a People's moment

[brahmbhattbhavna]

peter joseph merola is waiting for roxanne meadows inheritance

[fringeelements]

Naomi klein is the empire.

[bobbygnosis]

But Obama is still giving money to rich people. His policies are identical to W. Bush's. For the life of me I can't see a significant difference.

[hegemonymony]

This is hilarious... what a goofball.

[examinfo]

the New Deal the greatest restriction on capitalism in 20th century America and presumably beloved by Ms. Klein that was imposed in a time of crisis. Many of the crises of the 20th century resulted from anti-capitalistic policies, rather than from capitalism: China was falling apart because of the murderous and tyrannical policies of Chairman Mao, which then led to bottom-up demands for capitalistic reforms; New Zealand and Chile abandoned socialistic policies for freer markets .

[cosmicviewer477]

@examinfo Are you kidding me? Chile did not abandon socialism. It was the Chicago Boys who forced neo-liberal economic policies on Allende's government back in the day causing wide-spread closing of businesses and factories and massive unemployment. I'm not sure about New Zealand. Don't ge me wrong, there is nothing wrong with Capitalism, but you must admit that what is being practised in the U.S. today is NOT Capitalism. It's a sort of Corporatism.

[examinfo]

@cosmicviewer477 see Johan Norberg vs. Naomi Klein look on web for the full article,youtube just has clips. Norberg completely owns Klein. Secondly where is the proof that the "Chicago boys" "forced" anything. Klein is a hack, not a scholar. She is another Glen beck, Keith Olberman type. She had an interesting thesis and tried to stretch it to far.Tons of inaccuracies or lies, depending on how merciful you wish to be.

[cosmicviewer477]

@examinfo I saw the interview, but he has not convinced me. I must admit, however, that using the word "forced" as it relates to the Chicago Boys was unfair. Yes, they did sit under the tutelage of Freidman, but to hold him responsible for the Junta that ensued was irresponsible of me. My apologies. However, I still think that Norberg misinterprets Klein's assertions and conclusions.

[examinfo]

@cosmicviewer477 Thanks for having a respectable dialogue. Here on youtube; that is quite an achievement. Many people who are in disagreement often hurl insults at each other. However I wanted you to see the articles that Norberg had written, not the video. There are many errors in her book. Type Norberg klein in google and you will see the 3 articles at the top from Cato Institute by Norberg.Read them and then tell me what you think.

[rickbar123]

@examinfo The Cato Institute- Right Wing Cock Suckers that will put out anything that makes the rich, filthy rich and middle class, poor. What page did you find an error, cock sucker???? The page number please.

[rickbar123]

@examinfo Norberg owns Klein???? I saw that vid. It is a fucking joke. Read her book, if you can read. If you think Norberg has something to say then you suck dick.

Yep, you are a cock sucking stupid fuck. Just another cock sucker talking shit on YT.

[whitesox889]

youtube Johan Norberg vs. Naomi Klein and The Shock Doctrine

[ShapurKing]

stupid jewish communist pig like Trocki, Zinoviev, Kamieniew, Radek, Jagoda, Abram Slucki, Svierdlov, Kaganovich

[tatusha]

@ontheearthproduction: Can I re-post this video? :)

[hardinmichael1981]

I'm no "intelectual" but they all seem very clear to me.

If people need the definitions of certain historical references or financial terminology, then just look it up.

[H204Real]

spiritually blinded madeinsony84...

[madeinsony84]

christianity is by far the most vile and genocidal religion.

[whatdoiknow100]

it's not complicated,Hitler,Stalin,That­cher,Blair,Pinochet or even slave traders,monarchs etc its just a ruling class oppresing a working class,the basis of capitalism is exploitation its just in a state of hyper development that hides this fundemental point.

[landline00]

@whatdoiknow100 I thought that leftists are highly intelligent and therefore their ideas should be ultra-sophisictaed and unintelligible to the average person.

[whatdoiknow100]

to true landline00! i think it alienates the people that need to be reached by being to deep,politics got complicated because fooling all the people most of the time is complicated,telling the truth is easy,being heard is'nt.

[SUpersaiyajinjerkbag]

@landline00

republicans aren't libertarian.  not all leftists are libertarians but at least they give a damn about civil rights.

Difficult?

[landline00]

@SUpersaiyajinjerkbag

Condescending?

I am more concerned with freedom. Leftists always want to grow government which takes away freedom. Please elucidate the "civil rights" issues that exist today. To makes this simple, please point to where government discriminates against racial or religious minorities? As far as Republicans, they are a joke as they end up increasing the debt almost as much as Democrats when they get into power. See... I am not a partisan like you.

[jazzbo66zz]

@landline00

The Libertarian Party is another status quo dedicated to perpetuating an antebellum southern culture of misoginists misanthropes and racists. The laissez faire crusade being led by these crack pots shows a reliance on the belief that liberty is what exists in the absence of consensus. The same assumption has been shared by popes, monarchs, rentiers and financiers for the past 300 years. The Libertarian party could no more unify & lead a nation than Murray Rothbard could have.

[jazzbo66zz]

@landline00

There has not been an American left since the 1930's so the point is moot. The right has effectively grown government in the areas that impose capitalism at gun point on a global scale while rightists occupy the centers of domestic power expanding prisons, surveillance and police power as instruments of political repression. Laissez faire is secret code for status quo.

[landline00]

@jazzbo66zz You mean "rightists" like Eric Holder? :) Who exactly are these "rightists" that "occupy the centers of domestic power?" Please educate me!

[Konform2zoidberg]

@landline00 Well, there is the supreme court which is dominated by conservatives, see Citizens United case for this.

But more to the point at hand democrats and progressives are not the same thing, much less Leftists and Neoliberals. bob rubin, lawrence summers, tim geithner, ben bernanke, alan greenspan all of them supported handouts to the banks and the deregulation that brought us to the current crisis. I don't think there actions would reasonably be considered leftist. The point is that....

[Konform2zoidberg]

@Konform2zoidberg the narrative is dominated by people who favor what is described as "the free market" being "strong on defense", and "pragmatism". People opposing free trage, the private health system, the war on (some)drugs, an end to the afghan conflict and speedier withdrawal from Iraq, Full Employment at the cost of higher inflation....I could go on but I think you get the idea. The voice and institutional support given to these things is nil despite widespread support.

[Braindrain3]

@Konform2zoidberg "The voice and institutional support given to these things is nil despite widespread support. " This is nothing but the indiciation that democracy in the US is for the upper classes and not the masses. It is also the beginning stages of a failed state and the US cannot continue to claim to be the world's leading democracy.

[Konform2zoidberg]

@landline00 what about anarcho-syndicalists ;)

also I don't remember the left supporting warrantless wiretapping, PATRIOT ACT (one senator voted against, Russ Feingold, not exactly what one would call a rightist ), establishing the dept of homeland security , massive increases in subsidies to agribusiness, or for that matter, the bloated out of control military budget



[spacerumsfeld]

A continual string of undefended assertions to a sympathetic audience. If Naomi is what the left has to look forward to after Lord Chomsky departs into the great beyond, it is in big trouble indeed.

[cosmicviewer477]

@spacerumsfeld Acutally, she has been rigorously debated elsewhere. Google it. Of course, that is if you're interested in ascertaining true facts about her, as opposed to creating your own.

[p44rty]

Khalid is a male Arab name.

[jeffreyabigail]

Self-hating left-wing Jew bashing Israel. So what else is new? Hey, Naomi, why don't you change your last name to Khalid or something?

[KilluminatiMujahad]

@jeffreyabigail Fuck all the Zionist PIGS

[JonathanM00r3]

@jeffreyabigail Are you ok?

[jaay334]

the pro who think dumb ppl needed to be killed . like the nazi believed and where nazi got the idea old Teddy wow wake up

[randyguitarman13]

Naomi Klein loves the state.

She could not possibly be "Taking on the Empire."

She is a middle school intellectual.

With her little corporate highlites in her hair, and her little trendy leather jacket.

She is a fraud.

Voluntarism is the only true form of society.

[destructicon500]

Don't be a lifestylist now. Doesn't matter if you're educated/trendy/etc or not, it just matters where your goals and beliefs lie

[randyguitarman13]

She is a hypocritical idiot. When your main intellectual interest is in "Logos" and "commercialism", and you embody the mall rat, you are an idiot.

[destructicon500]

What gave you the idea that she is a "mall rat?" Other than vague superficial clues?

I'm not a huge Klein fan, but my point is that it's not hypocritical to be critical of consumer culture yet partake in it. Capitalism makes it almost a necessity to participate in its system. So unless one wants to contribute nothing to the anti-capitalist movement and go live in a commune in the sticks, it's difficult to remove oneself from the system that one criticizes.

[randyguitarman13]

Everything should be voluntary. If you use all of your "human capital"--so to speak--to advocate banning such things, that person definitely should refrain from such actions. Speaking of the evils of "Logos" takes away any reverence for logic on her part. When you live in a keynesian/corporatist system in the united states--that hyper-subsidizes malinvestment and commercialism--there are more fundamental aspects of society to work towards stopping.

[cosmicviewer477]

@randyguitarman13 Fundamental aspects like what? What can be more fundamental than the system that dictates almost every auspice of our lives? She speaks out against it because it helps to bring change. Ideas and thoughts CAN lead to actual physical change. I do agree with you that our system should be voluntary and that most of what we think of, today, as choice is really just false, but debunking that system takes people like Klein, and by virtue, you and me to bring change.

[randyguitarman13]

@cosmicviewer477

"What can be more fundamental than the system that dictates almost every auspice of our lives"

That is the system Klein supports. Every idea she supports empowers the violent State that 'dictates almost every auspice' of our lives.

If you 'do agree' with me 'that our system should be voluntary', then you would be a Voluntarist; that is the exact opposite of Klein's violent ideology, that 'dictates almost every auspice' of your life.

[cosmicviewer477]

@destructicon500 I don't think she's anti-Capitalist. She speaks specifically about certain "kinds" of Capitalism, if you will. She also argues that pure Capitalism is not really what's being practiced because it relies on government oversight to stay "alive".

[cosmicviewer477]

@randyguitarman13 How does she embody the mall rat? Have you seen her shopping?

[randyguitarman13]

@cosmicviewer477

She whines about logo's like a child, then has 'corporate' highlights in her hair. She is just a thug supporter of violence.

[cosmicviewer477]

@randyguitarman13 What does having highlights in her hair have to do with anything? Most of the fashions and designs today are not corporately-founded. It's regular people who start the fads and the corporate system adapts, packages and sells it. This is true of most things in popular culture, from music to fashion to designs of houses. Fashion, hair styles and such are more grassroots than you think. There's literature out there about all this. 

[randyguitarman13]

@cosmicviewer477

"What does having highlights in her hair have to do with anything?"

The, like, corporate culture that, like, exploits people into, like, voluntarily buying their, like, corporate products with, like, corporate logo's.

So instead of, like, working on a, like, voluntary basis where, like, you can not violently force people to do things, we should, like, have violent State-control over, like, everything.

[cosmicviewer477]

@randyguitarman13 Alright.  I see that you will not offer anything substantive or helpful in your response. Have a nice day.

[AramGiles]

Which of her many points did you disagree with?

[randyguitarman13]

All of the stupid ones...which is...well...all of them.

[AramGiles]

haha!! That's the best you can do, apparently. Well, I can assure you that you've managed to influence...exactly zero people. Not just in this little thread, but almost certainly in the rest of your life as well. Just can't imagine why you would spend your time this way...

[randyguitarman13]

One of us here has zero influence...

[direwolf661]

@randyguitarman13 just another example of a simple mind trying, rather pathetically, to understand a new concept, failing, and lashing out with harsh language. Just go watch American Idol or CSI or FoxNews.

[randyguitarman13]

"just another example of a simple mind trying, rather pathetically, to understand a new concept,"

Klein? You?

"go watch American Idol or CSI"

Maybe I could see one of those, like, corporate commercials, that are, like, totally ruining society, but the, like, government totally should be empowered with, like, all the powers of commanding heights and means of production, which, like, totally did not kill 100 million people in the 20th century...DART!

[direwolf661]

@randyguitarman13 men cant handle a woman who is more intelligent than they are. And Im a man saying this. Ive yet to see a man on youtube attack Ms Klein on any of her intellectual points, instead its degrading smear tactics like this, which go to prove your secret fear, which is that this woman, and many women, are more intelligent than you are.

[randyguitarman13]

She is not Wendy McElroy. She is not Ayn Rand. She, like you, is oblivious to all logic. I know this may be complicated, go to the CATO Institute, and see how stupid this person is. But this would assume you are interested in any facts, which--obviously--you are not.

[randall2020]

The Cato Institute? You really have to be crazy or stupid to believe those neo-fascists.

[pjamesbda]

@randall2020 - you are crazy or stupid not to. Just open your eyes and look...boom and bail, boom and bail. And every time we bail, they boom. Am I going to fast for you? Even you can grasp this.

[GreatGrumbledook]

I'm afraid not, Klein! Unfortunately, most of the sane people think that you're an utter prat! Ask them who they'd prefer to meet: Naomi Klein or the man who cleans out the public toilets in Aberdeen, and they'd go for Wee Jock "Poo-Pong" McPlop, every time.

[1978Autodidact]

What are you talking about. Naomi Klein has sold thousands of copies of her books to sane people, touring everywhere to large crowds that've come out to see her. Why don't you stick to real ideological debate instead of middle school popularity contests. Or can you?

[GreatGrumbledook]

@1978Autodidact: A quite audacious claim! Or can you name one sane person, who had actually bought a book of hers or had even read it? The only occasion why someone would buy her books is to offend someone by a present: Like this suits you... but what is this nonsense about an ideological debate? Do you call this a serious debate? For me it is just a dimwit wetting herself about her little totalitarian government fantasies and nothing more... do something useful like fighting China.

[1978Autodidact]

It's crazy how you pack in so much nonsense in such a small space. I don't have time to separate crazy from stupid, and neither should anyone else. You're so far off of reality that, sadly, we'll just have to wait till your empty-headed kind dies off to back to some sanity. I'm not in the way of entertaining of halfwits.

ps- the world is always laughing at you.

[GreatGrumbledook]

@1978Autodidact: Ere this happens I will see the USA burn up into a chaotic explosion of civil war as I strongly assume that the near downfall of the US will not be that peaceful and unspectacular than those of the Soviet Union and dimwits like here add much fuel to the fire; anyway as soon as this happens I will laugh and sing and dance...

[cosmicviewer477]

@GreatGrumbledook Um... It's not a debate. It's a panel discussion, commemorating the 100th Anniversary of the magazine, "the Progressive". Did you even watch the piece?

[GreatGrumbledook]

@cosmicviewer477: Maybe; but I do not think my statement depends on my watching or the existence of a debate of any source.

[cosmicviewer477]

@GreatGrumbledook That has clearly and already been established.

[GreatGrumbledook]

@cosmicviewer477: Sure; but why did you make then this remark?

[benmcfee]

Wee Jock "Poo-Pong" McPlop unfortunately is kind of a wanker, as is Mr. Blackadder. Ms. Klein on the other hand is very bright, engaging and more than a healthy dose of sanity. In fact, social sanity is her entire goal. We are undergoing social torture in the form of fear, and no matter how much Blackadder you paraphrase, it will not make this any less true. The only way to avoid insanity is to not lose track of history. To forget the past is to forfeit the future.

[GreatGrumbledook]

@benmcfee: Name not history thou boy of tears! Besides you do not sound like a tough grizzled old soldier but some kind of dandified Nancy boy, who spends wars at home and you are indubitably no sea-dog nut the sort of pasty landlubber I have always despised. I'll warrant, the most exciting thing that has happened to you limpid prawn in a whole year, was the day when you forgot to put sugar in your porridge!

[benmcfee]

Gee.... if I were trying to sound like a tough grizzled old soldier, you might have a case. See I've got this crazy notion that you don't need a bronze star to think.

The fact that I haven't heard you actually debate the EVIDENCE Klein presents other than, of course, a flurry of name calling, is very telling indeed.

Now you've likely got a whole repertoire of insults ready, but I just don't have time for you. 'Cuz one thing about wrestling a pig: after awhile you realize the pig likes it.

[GreatGrumbledook]

@benmcfee: American medals of so-called bravery do not count anyway; while it is not my custom to insult anybody who has not insulted me first, safe the people in such videos, of course; so if you do not start you have to read the insults either (take heed of the Earl of Kent in King Lear by Shakespeare to spot some of them) or you will have to live without them; and people like here do not have any evidence about anything: The phenomena is called commercial fake to sell books...

[smokerdj]

Does she get naked anywhere at all.

[DINGLEtheBERRY]

shut up dude. are you fucking stupid?

[que100]

Its sad that only 854 people have seen this since May.

[jorge16178]

this videos should be seen by everyone

[landline00]

@jorge16178 Every Communist.

[lysscatherine]

Naomi Klein is on-point