Sir you are just as "out-there" as the conspiracy crowd. WTC 1, 2 and 7 were TIMEBOMBS from the day they opened. Graft, kickbacks and shoddy building materials along with countless code and building violations made countless dozens of people a whole lotta money. Likely HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE made good money specking and buying bad steel, flameproof carpet that burns, defective re-bar, weakly mixed concrete and so on while paying inspectors to look the other way. Planes hit and it was CYA time
Please do yourself a favor and read about the twin towers design before posting such absurd comments. Your "faulty steel" explanation still doesn't explain how the core collapsed completely from fire throughout the 90th floors.
Contrary to the FEMA's assertion that the core columns were freestanding, construction photographs clearly show that large horizontal beams cross-connected the core columns in a three-dimensional matrix of steel.
@cancanbiker Sir: Just offered that as "what if?" Stated it as fact because of the character limit. You MUST ADMIT it makes sense when you consider that NOT ONE DEBUNKER has mentioned this as even a possibility. Maybe all the buildings needed was a minor seismic event or errant hurricane. Watched a 1 year old building fall in its own footprint in Bethlehem, PA. Very cheap Re-bar made with NUCLEAR WASTE in Mexico turned all the concrete into Swiss Cheese at thesame time. Catastophic failure
sorry for coming across like a a**hole. I guess we all look at events and draw our own conclusion. When it comes to 911 I feel like I have seen enough evidence to be convinced some institutions had enough knowledge about the attack to benefit from it in every conceivable way hence its another inside job.It's hard to imagine a building with more steel & better design than the WTC. The design made it easy to covertly access the core columns and place explosives secretly via elevators
@cancanbiker I will go one step further and say that it was probably the same explosive medium that was used in the Shanksville shoot-down. Frankly I think Thermite...in any form...is too "old school." Assuming the concrete, rebar, structural steel, 2 jetliners with people and luggage were not defective...WHAT in this world coulda turned them to DUST in one shot? Go back and research Neutron weapons which, oddly, fell off the scope in the 80s
Certainly! No other bomb explains the fuel smell in the lobby (which was not jet fuel from the crash 80 stories up) and the aluminium particles in the dust. Thermite makes a molten like reaction which we didn't observe in the core. Like you said we saw the steel turn literally to dust. That's what this bomb is designed to do. It's in the hands of front companies for the cia like Wackenhut & the WTC security was run by a similar company called Kroll.
Already millions dead would you kill whole nations maybe. Hatred is not the answer, Start with the truth, this has obviously been hidden, why? When we can truly answer that question can we legally and morally retaliate in any way. Remember WMD weapons in Iraq, well they lied about them or they want us to believe that the worlds spy networks can't tell if some country is making WMD weapons, what a joke
Top Construction Firm: WTC Destroyed By Controlled Demolition
Paul Joseph Watson | Veteran Middle East correspondent Alan Hart: Largest engineering firm studied collapse of twin towers and said there was no doubt it was a controlled explosion.
Plus NIST said free fall speed on WTC7 for 5 sec wow no WOW
You know what I dont feel like aruguing about it. You see it your way and I see it mine. I only pray for all of our safety in the coming times. God Bless.
@MadamoiselleNoir82 No, you are not. Don't insult our intelligence. Don't hide behind "asking questions" or wanting a second look. Remember when parents could see through your ploys as a child? You are accusing innocent people of 3,000 counts of mass murder, while HURTING America's will and ability to defend herself against further attacks. WE ALREADY TRIED your approach, and 3,000 people are dead. You need to get up to speed. The world does not work the way you suggest.
@MadamoiselleNoir82 It did not fall like it was detonated. How many buildings have you watched fall down from causes OTHER than detonation? What qualifications do you have to compare the two?
How could explosives survive a 7 hour fire inside WTC 7?
CAUGHT ON TAPE: Watch the damage to WTC 7 from the collapsing towers, copy and paste this into the YOU TUBE URL:
@MadamoiselleNoir82 The CIA was NOT ALLOWED to share the information, under "the wall" created by Pres. Bill Clinton, Attorney General Janet Reno, and Jamie Goerlick. Liberal Administrations always ATTACK the intelligence capabilities of the USA, then BLAME those same battered institutions for the damage inflicted by liberals.
Whether someone can be trusted DOES NOT MAKE THEM GUILTY of anything. That is sheer stupidity.
NO ONE had sufficient information to realize what was going to happen on 9/11.
The FBI knew pieces. The CIA knew pieces. The NSA knew pieces.
But Bill Clinton through Janet Reno ORDERED THEM NOT TO TALK TO EACH OTHER. Janet Reno erected a "WALL" forbidding the FBI and the CIA from talking to each other.
So Bill Clinton caused 9/11 by erecting this wall between the agencies.
Holy crud, was this the old one I put up a few years back in early 2007? From my VHS recording? It would be amazing if that actually survived the internet that long, my version is long gone, I would have to rerip it. .
ha You can see collumn 20. I dont think that was caused by falling debris. It is prefectly gone. Center area of the building. And the fires were mostly around the SEC.
Actually, you don't know how much I know about our foreign policy. And the last time I looked, muslims weren't the only terrorists back in Jeffersons time...
And actually, the Koran has stated that anyone who attacks you, then it is ok to attack them. I am not a Muslim so I really don't care if the religion fades or not, but the very mechanism we use to destroy extremists is the very mechanism build into the koran to prevent its destruction. The best way is through educational means.
Then why aren't they killing us now? Surely you don't believe that our foreign policy just started working. All we have done is stretch ourselves thin and put most of our efforts in securing certain areas. Anyone can be a terrorist and it doesn't have to be a Muslim. Nothing stops someone from building a bomb and stepping onto a train platform and leaving it on the train.
There are over a billion muslims yet only a small fraction are extremists.
Because they are on the defensive. The AQ network has been disrupted, smashed, and disconnected. They are on the run. While they can set off the occassional bomb, they are mostly pinned down and unable to maneuver.
They are also killing other Muslims, which is destroying their reputation. Every bomb makes Muslims hate AQ even more.
Rather than waiting for them to fight us over here in the USA, we fought them on territory far away.
Some have said that the terrorists already defeated America; they used our fear to manipulate us and look at where our country is at right now. We have stretched ourselves so thin and we even brought our troops over to the enemy so that they can kill them firsthand.
The terrorists set up a trap and we got ourselves caught up in it. The war has killed more people than in 9/11, so Bush was doing a better job than the terrorists.
This is a perfectly valid question to ask, and to consider in the planning and implementation of a response to an attack. One must question what our goals are and what our enemies goals are, and then design our strategy to preserve our goals and defeat our enemy's goals.
But I think you are factually wrong. I do not believe, facutally, that it has harmed our country. We have NOT lost our liberties. We have NOT over-reacted. I think we got it right.
In terms of sending troops fo rthem to kill, again, this is FACTUALLY untrue.
It could be true. It is NOT a bad question to look at.
But I don't think it is actually true.
It is not a choice between fighting them or not fighting them, but fighting them HERE or THERE. They would have been HERE in shopping malls, attacking elementary schools, etc.
We have smashed and destroyed the terrorists' networks. They are in shambles. The news media loves them. But in reality they lost
I love America BTW, just not it's foreign policy. I don't know how America has survived its foreign policy for so long, but the 9/11 attack was the proof that our policy creates enemies worldwide.
These enemies have been attacking the USA and the West generally bc they believe (disputed) that the Koran COMMANDS them to conquer every inch of planet Earth, and that Allah will be offended if any part of the Earth is not in total subjection to Allah. Any spot of rebellion against Allah offends Allah.
To further this goal, THEY LIE -- AND YOU FALL FOR IT.
You are being conned, and you fall for it.
How can we know? READ their own writings and speeches, in the original language.
Despite the many public statements by 9/11 Commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded for lying to the 9/11 Commission.
Someone came to me & asked me if they could borrow my butcher knife so they could go kill a few people. I said "sure". So I let this person borrow my knife knowing their intentions. Arent I just as guilty?? I did nothing to help? Just sat by & watched???? THATS DUMB
U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director, decorated with the Purple Heart, the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal (Capt. Daniel Davis) stated:
"there is no way that an aircraft . . . would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control ... Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a 'conspiracy Theory' does not change the truth. It seems, 'Something is rotten in the State.' "
There is no way that Davis ever said anything so stupid.
AN AIRPLANE ACTUALLY HIT THE WHITE HOUSE IN 1994.
NO ONE COULD BE SO STUIPD AS TO MAKE THE (FABRICATED) QUOTE ABOVE, knowing that it is entirely possible for aircraft to not only approach the White House
BUT ALSO PHYSICALLY STRIKE the White House.
No one could be that ignorant.
BTW: Flight 77 was reported by the FAA AS A CRASH, with search & rescue sent out to West Virginia to search for Flight 77
They dont know who caused it because evidence was destroyed. They couldnt do their investigation properly because of this lack of evidence! The only thing they had to go on was what some one told someone to say!!!
The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry, said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true."
No I dont have a learning disablilty! LOL! But maybe you should see something about your anger managment. Your pretty dense in believing all this hogwash though. You make excuses for them just as they make excuses for themselves! It never ends
Director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force colonel who flew 101 combat missions (Col. Robert Bowman) stated that 9/11 was "an inside job."
I guess this guys nuts too huh?
Eventually that whole "nuts" jig is gonna bit u in the ass!!
"If our government had merely done nothing, and I say that as an old interceptor pilot—I know the drill, I know what it takes, I know how long it takes, I know what the procedures are, I know what they were, and I know what theyve changed them to—if our government had merely done nothing, and allowed normal procedures to happen on that morning of 9/11, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive. That is treason!"
It is an absolute fact that Bowman is lying. Bowman has been an anti-American agitator for DECADES.
It is a FACT that NO military aircraft has EVER been authorized to shoot down a civilian passenger plane in the history of the USA before 10 AM on 9/11.
So Bowman is a liar.
It is also a fact that due to Clinton's "Peace Dividend" only 4 interceptors were ready for take-over in the NE Quadrant of the USA
Under NO circumstances would the military EVER have shot down a civilian plane
June 17, 2009: 29 Structural & Civil Engineers Cite Evidence for Controlled Explosive Demolition in Collapses of All 3 WTC High-Rises on 9/11 More than 950 Architects and Engineers have joined call for new investigation, faulting official collapse reports
Sep. 5, 2007: U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' Pilot Questions 9/11
PDF Version Article on OpEdNews
Summary: Commander Ralph Kolstad, U.S. Navy Top Gun pilot, questioned the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. "When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story."
MOST people believe that INCOMPETENT bureaucrats have covered up their FAILURES.
That has NOTHING to do with belief that anyone but Al Qaeda attacked the USA on 9/11
The 9/11 "Truthers" (= Liars) are FRAUDULENT in trying to claim those who want INCOMPETENT bureaucrats FIRED as believing in a conspiracy to CAUSE 9/11
I don't believe we have been told everything -- and should NOT be
But we KNOW that AL Qaeda attacked the USA on 9/11
May 18, 2009: 41 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency Veterans Challenge the Official Account of 9/11 Official Account of 9/11: Terribly Flawed, Laced with Contradictions, a Joke, a Cover-up
Summary: More than 40 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency veterans have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and most have called for a new investigation. Veterans from the U.S. State Department, the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Federal Aviation Administration, U.S. Customs and Border Protection and the branches of the U.S. Military are quoted.
Again: Government officials and bureaucrats have covered up their own FAILURES and incompetence.
But NO ONE who is sane believes that anyone but Al Qaeda attacked the USA on 9/11.
To start with, you ignore the fact that Al Qaeda has been attacking the USA since 1992, Al Qaeda declared war on the USA -- including its civilian population -- in 1995 and 1996.
You have to be really, really dumb, or a liar, to ignore the facts.
Lieutenant colonel, 24-year Air Force career, Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs at the Defense Language Institute (Lt. Colonel Steve Butler) said "Of course Bush knew about the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism."
Everyone on the planet knows there were dozens of VAGUE, NON-SPECIFIC warnings that 'someone, somewhere, might do something, sometime, in some place."
Bush & this Admin passed these along with DOZENS of warnings throughout the Summer of 2001.
However, there was NOTHING detailed enough to contain useful information about the specific people or plot or locations, and the available information pointed to attacks OUTSIDE the United States.
"This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's about our country, our constitution, and our future. ...
Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away.
If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful, or ... to check into the facts yourself, what does that make you? ....
Are you afraid that you will learn the truth and you can't handle it? ..."
If I ever run into anyone with sincere doubts, I will keep that in mind.
However, NOTHING about the "Truther" movement is sincere. These are NOT sincere doubts. These are KNOWING LIES by anti-American agitators who knowingly seek to lower America's defenses so that America can be attacked again in the future.
You hate America and want to see America attacked and defeated.
YOU ALREADY HAVE EXPLANATIONS. You are NOT asking questions.
I dont hate America You RETARD! I dont want America attacked either RETARD! Thats been done & said too many times! Get a grip!! I raise a family in AMerica I live in America! I hope nobody is EVER a victim of an attack EVER! And I HOPE that if it were to happen a REAL HERO would stand up & do something to STOP IT not sit by & let it happen for their own greedy disgusting motives!
I want America to be the way it always has been. I want the greedy people that are supposed to be REPRESENTING US (Americans), the guys working for US, to stop their war crimes & thier money games. They should send their families & friends to war if they love it sooo much! Or go somewhere else with all their greed
@JonathonMoseley You are very much a part of the twin towers conspiracy. You try extremly hard to try to sway us who know the truth. You think following the public explanation is patriotic and will die for what you believe in. I wish you were in one of the three towers that were BOMBED by our government officials but I also wish you made it out. So even then if you continued to spread lies at least you would know that they were in fact LIES.
Facts are facts. One of the mental diseases of the conspiracy theorists is substituting their concepts of MOTIVATIONS for FACTS.
It does not matter what you or I WANT to be true. What counts is what IS true.
It is 100% imnpossible that there were any bombs inside the WTC.
For one of a hundred reasons, the bombs would have been prematurely detonated by the FIRES. In the area of aircraft impact, bombs would have been DESTROYED.
@JonathonMoseley and tower seven? How does your media theory explain that? You have to know that only 4 steel buildings in the history of country have ever collapsed because of fires 3 of them fell september 11. Do you at least see why we are suspicious? Where did you get your information from? Maybe then I could see your point and take on a new aproach because I really honestly wish this wasnt a true. I really want to be a paranoid American with nothing to worry about.
Re; WTC Bldg 7, how many times do you people need it explained?
AGAIN: WTC7 burned on EVERY floor for 7 hours. How would explosives survive a fire for 7 hours and not detonate until the appointed time around 5:20 PM?
Everything you need to know about WTC7 can be seen in this video:
Type the website address for YOUTUBE, and then add:
/watch?v=nEgPNNcdtu4
When the NYC firefighters -- who lost friends -- said WTC 7 cannot remain standing, you might listen to the experts
Do u think they use this new method of demolition now on buildings? Instead of spending weeks setting up demo just set a few strategically placed fires inside the building & in a few hours watch the thing do down nice & neat. NOT!!!! 9/11 was an inside job
People need to wake the F'up and realize wtf are we doing.Stop listening to the media, and get off your ass and do some research! There is so much evidence that 9/11 was allowed to happen but yet all people do is say its a conspiracy theory and talk shit .our troops are fighting for freedom but yet our own government is striping your freedoms in front of your faces stating to make you safer...BS!! watch this anyone can argue about building collapse but how can u? dispute this watch?v=Uu0xfz4DEN4
There is no evidence whatsoever of your conspiracy theories. ZERO.
Remember: The fact that you have questions does not equal evidence of anything. The fact that you ahve questions is evience only of the fact that you have questions.
There is overwhelming evidence that Al Qaeda and no one else caused 9/11.
Anyone can agrue about the tower collapses, it can go on forever..facts are shown what happend before, during and after the attack. Watch the video below....lets stop talking about the building collapses and focus on what really happend behind the scenes...odd u stated we have no facts....just questions.....but the government cant answer them and people are Conspiracy Theorists???...Watch the video..too many things dont add up....watch?v=zhnNy5EsebA
I am looking forward to being blessed for tellling the truth and fighting against lies. Standing up for what is right is a blessed thing.
For you to falsely smear innocent people, howeer, is despicable.
But you are saying that your employers in Al Qaeda, whom you are defending, will come and get me?
The 9/11 Truthers are of course funded by Tehran. The goal is to get teh USA to weaken its defenses so that Al Qaeda and other terrorists will be able to attack the USA again
thanx "czubspenx" i was beginning to think no one was reading his comments and see how foolish he sounds!!!! for jon... tell me why on the F.B.I list of wanted terrorist osama is "NOT" wanted for the 9/11 attacks??? if he did it then why does the FBI say "they have "NO" proof of his involvement??? ANSWER THAT 4 ME MR KNOW-IT-ALL!!!!!!
Bin Laden was already under a Federal arrest warrnt from BEFORE 9/11 for OBL's terrorist attacks on the USA in the Embassy bombings in Kenya & Tanzania.
NOTE: Bin Laden ALREADY ATTACKED US EMBASSIES IN 1998 AND THE USS COLE IN 2000, and was involved in the 1993 WTC bombings.
There is no need to issue a NEW arrest warrant. The FBI would have to reveal all the evidence they have to get another arrest warrant. One is enough
The FBI DOES have OVERWHELMING evidence of OBL's guilt re 9/11
Yes it IS what the FBI says... they have overwhelming evidence of Osama Bin Laden's guilt re: 9/11.
First, NOTE: Bin Laden already committed terrorism against the USA, in the 1998 bombings of the Embassies, the USS Cole, Khobar Towers, probably the 1993 WTC bombing.
So you are asking us to believe that OBL is guilty of all this terrorism, but he would NEVER fly airplanes into US buildings. oh, no!!
The US Govt is about to prosecute UBL's man Khalikh Sheik Momahmmed any day now
so where can i find the proof of his guilt??? where do they say and what do they say they have on him???? you show me and i just might believe you!!!!!
What makes you think the FBI is waiting around to satisfy you and to wait on you hand and foot?
That is one of the big errors of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists... the idea that the world revolves around you.
If you want to see all the evidence of Bin Laden's guilt, get a seat in the courtroom when the US Attorney prosecutes Khalikh Sheikh Mohammed, Osama Bin Laden, and other Al Qaeda members.
Prosecutors HATE to reveal their evidence before the trial.
just say you have no proof and stop trying to act like you know everything!!!! this world don't revolves around YOU!!!! i'm NOT no "conspiracy theorists" like you say. i'm just a realist who knows a SCAM(9/11) when i see one!!!! the U.S. has NO proof so that makes these wars a big fat LIE!!! now you know why NOBODY is going to believe you!!!!
OBL has publicly admited, many times, that Al Qaeda planned & implemented the 9/11 attacks against the USA. These videos were handed to MUSLIM TV journalists, who KNOW OBL from interviewing him before 9/11. They are copied off the air FROM Muslim TV networks.
Tremendous amounts of evidence of Al Qaeda's responsibility for 9/11 is widely available. Some was revealed in the trial of Zaccarais Moussaiou.
The plans for the 9/11 attacks were recovered from Khalikh Sheikh Mohammed's computer
sorry but your barking up the wrong tree 'cuz i know the truth that OBL states that he had nothing to do with 9/11 and that "Tremendous amounts of evidence of Al Qaeda's responsibility for 9/11 is widely available" is FALSE!!! if true you should have no problem showing me where to find them if they're sooo "widely available"!!!!! if not that shows your a liar!!! prove me wrong if you can.....with FACTS!!!!
For a breif moment in time, BEFORE the multi-national coalition liberated Afghanistan, OBL denied involvement in 9/11 TO KEEP THE USA FROM INVADING AFGHANSTAN.
But as soon as Afghanistan was invaded, Bin Laden openly and freely admitted that Al Qaeda had carried out the 9/11 attacks on the USA, and they have been boasting about it ever since.
And NOTE that these videotapes are given to Muslim journalists who KNOW their Al Qaeda contacts. We watch them on MUSLIM TV stations first
How convenient. I wonder if we'll find one of the highjackers passports amongst the rubble at ground zero? It would me a miracle if it survived the crash AND the collapse of the tower don't you think?
JonathonMoseley is a liar!!!! the firefighters who WERE there on 9/11 state that they heard explosions that day!!!! and there was not flames on every floor coming out of every window of 47 floors!!!! ALL LIES!!! jon you were NOT there either!!!!
i'm looking for the RAGING fires i was told about that caused the collapse, where are they? is it because there were none that i cant find any? nothing but smoke and mirrors?
I am sorry, but you were not there. It's a sad fact that the world does not revolve around you. Even as a narcissistic, self-centered baby-boomer who thinks that everything should revolve around you, if cry "WAWW!" loud enough you cannot change the fact that you were not there on 9/11.
So you need to read the statements of the firefighters who WERE there on 9/11. The firefighters -- who are experts at fire -- saw flames in EVERY window on EVERY floor -- 47 floors of WTC 7
You would like to see things, but since you were not there YOU CANNOT.
That may drive your baby-boomer narcissism crazy, that you cannot have what you want. But you cannot .
Those who WERE there that day -- professional firefighters -- admitted that the greatest fire department in the world had to ABANDON the building b/c the fires were out of control.
FAILURE for NYC's finest.
The firefighters on site saw raging fires consuming ALL OF WTC7
Go to 911Reality com, and you can see details on the private investigations of the WTC collapses, and the extensive investigation of all of the WTC debris at the nearby "Fresh Kills" salvage yards (converted from a landfill to the purpose), with 2,000 agents examining 55,000 pieces of evidence.
WTC 7 was directly across from WTC 1, with an 8 story building WTC 6 in between. Because WTC 1 was 1,362 feet high (110 floors) and WTC7 only 47 floors, massive debris fell on WTC 7
And also notice, that the WTC7 DOES HAVE A CORE. How did this core get damage to give way to the whole building to collapse on it's entirety without leaving much of the floors or any of the undamaged sections? It didn't, they were severed too.
The fires in that building did not even reach 800F. Melting point of Steel, to weaken, would be 2750F. Steel is a heatsink that absorbs heat efficiently without giving way.
Wow. Everyone else on the planet knows by now that steel loses 50% of its strength at 1400 degrees F, and 80% of its strength at 1800 degrees F.
Furthermore, steel EXPANDS, causing a rigid structure to warp, buckle, and SHATTER. There is no place for the expansion to go. So connecting bolts shear off, welds break.
EMRTC for Natl Geographic did a demonstration. Jet fuel reached 2000 deg F in 2 minutes, and a steel beam folded like a wet noodle in only 3.5 minutes.
Well, gee then, I wonder as to how the Windsor, the CCTV Tower (50 story tall building) in china caught entirely on fire and burned for over 10 hours... collapsed due to fire... Oh wait, they're still standing.
WTC was caught on fire before, in the 70s. Fire was described as 'the hottest fire ever fought.' It burned for hours on end. At the end of the day, it was over... and it still stood erect until 2001.
Steel buildings collapse due to fire all the time. Steel is famous as the 2nd WORST material for surviving a fire.
The Hotel Windsor in Madrid had a steel frame around a concrete core. THE STEEL FRAME COMPLETELY COLLAPSED FROM THE FIRE. Only the concrete core remained.
Go to 911Reality com and watch the video of a Delft Univ STEEL building collapsing in a fire
In 1993, 3 steel buildings collapsed on the same day from fire in the Kader Toy Factory fire.
However, this is a very stupid discussion. The idea that all buildings behave the same way is incredibly stupid.
No two buildings are the same. No two fires are the same. You know that. You are smarter than that.
In a severe earthquake, some buildings fall down, some do not. No one expects ALL buildings to fall down. No one doubts that the earthquake caused buildings to fall down because some are still standing. That sounds really stupid, doesn't it?
It is an incredibly stupid discussion to compare two buildings. No two buildings are alike. No two fires are alike.
MANY steel framed buildings have collapsed from fire alone. The fact that it COULD happen is all we need to know.
You are trying to argue that there is NO set of circumstances in which a steel building could collapse from fire. That is just false. Steel buildings HAVE collapsed from fire alone. CASE CLOSED.
The steel frame of the Windsor hotel COLLAPSED from the fire
As I wrote, the Windsor Hotel in Madrid suffered a fire WITH FIRE-FIGHITNG available (there was no water supply to the fire at the WTC because of the aircraft impact damage).
The steel frame of the Madrid Windsor very obviously and very conspicuously collapsed -- appearing to melt -- from the fire.
The central CONCRETE core remained standing.
Basically, the top half of the Madrid Windsor hotel -- the steel frame -- crumpled like chocolate in the Texas sun. The steel FAILED in a normal fire
MANY steel framed buildings have collapsed from fire alone.???? you sooo full of crap!!!!! tell me the "many" buildings then??? name them!!!! LIES, LIES, LIES!!! THAT'S WHAT YOUR ALL ABOUT!!!!the Windsor Hotel in Madrid DID NOT COLLAPSED!!!! CASE CLOSED.how long you think you can keep up those lies??? you seriously need to get a life!!!!
Also, you think a little gash like that is going to collapse the entire building? LOL BWAHAHAHA!
What the heck do you close-minded fools know about structural engineering? NONE.
In order to cause the building to fall, you'd need to sever every column available on every floor. Now you don't need to blow them up, it can be cut. WTC7 burned for over 5 hours with few fires on dozens of floors. Nothing it can't handle.
NIST reports FIRE caused the building to collapse, btw.
I can clearly see the corner intact where they said it was damaged.
THE BLASPHEMY! D:<
Also.
81 columns failed simultaneously, causing the ENTIRE building to crumble down to its footprint... in seconds? Where is the resistance? Why weren't the unaffected, undamaged areas not given resistance?
Was the WTC7 made of cheese? I'm curious. No steel building ever fell from a fire. Windsor building, completely caught on fire, burned over 8 hours. No collapse.
Of course you accused innocent people of despicable crimes. It is overwhelmingly obvious that WTC 7 did NOT come down from a controled demolition.
Yet you accuse innocent people of horrific crimes which in fact Al Qaeda committed. And by doing so you weaken our defenses against a REAL enemy intent on killing your countrymen.
You are NOT just asking questions.
The answers are available with 5 minutes research. You AVOID the answers to the questions. You don't want to know the truth
So your solution is to falsely accuse innocent people without any evidence? SImply because it feeds your ego to blame people who did nothing wrong. You are the RE-VICTIMIZERS.
Your comment that I ignore every word you say says volumes about your thinking.
I have shown that everyything you say is a LIE. It might NIOT be YOUR lie, but someone else's lie you have BOUGHT INTO.
You smear the memory of 3,000 victims. You should be burned at the stake.
You believe what you want and I will as well. We will never be able to change each others minds, so why bother.
I just don't know why you would bother to fight so hard to win arguments here and ignore every single word I say. Not sure what the pay off is for you.
My reason is, I can't live with what I know and not do something about it... Too many people died and they deserve better.
What a joke. Government-funded institutes like those can't be trusted for one reason: they've been proven wrong several times and had changed their report numerous times as well. At one point they threw out their photoshopped WTC7 building corner damage picture. Because two images from two photographers show no damaged floors on the corner, just the windows.
What NIST is good at, is playing know-it-all and then get proven wrong, to make something else.
No, as a matter of fact one of the despicable lies of the 9/11 Re-Victimizers ("Truthers") is to deny the MASSIVE involvement of university professors, private engineers, and private architects in investigation every aspect of 9/11.
Face it: Your world is a lie.
Go to 911Reality com and look for
NO Evidence Lost or Destroyed & 9/11 Investigated Instantly - with Private Engineers
WITHIN HOURS of the attacks, the site was crawling with PRIVATE engineers & investigators
Don't worry others have embarrased themselves on "molten steel" before. First, NOTHING was molten. Steel is not red BUT WHITE HOT (yellow) when it is molten.
SECOND, it was not steel. It was aluminum. Firefighters did not conduct metallurigical tests.
THIRD, it is 100% irrelevant. NOTHING -- NOTHING -- of any controlled demolition could cause or contribute to molten anything under the WTC rubble. NOTHING.
I have an answer for evertyhing bc the truth is the truth. No lies
No. WHen you have multiple events happening on the same day, that means taht they are not independent.
It is entirely plausible that multiple events happen at the same time... if they share a common cause.
Where improbability comes into play is in deciding whetehr they are UNRELATED events or events realted by a common cause.
How could 2,700 INDIVIDUAL people all die at the same place within 30 minutes of each other? IMPOSSIBLE! No, they all had a common cause killing them all
Yeah, I know 6 was destroyed, I was talking about distance...
So the story is, WTC 1 fell, took out 6 completely, went across the street, took out enough of WTC 7 to make it collapse and left two buildings on either side of it in good enough shape to be reopened?
You have to admit that sounds pretty far fetched...
Correct. WTC 1 was 1,362 feet high -- 110 stories.
WTC 7 was only 47 stories high.
Look at the videos. WTC1 was a giant that literally towred over WTC 7.
Look at the viideos. THE VIDEOS SHOW YOU CAUGHT ON TAPE THE DEBRIS FALLING FROM 1000 FEET UP ONTO WTC7.
This is not a question. Look at the video.
Why are you arguing about this? The firefighters who were tehre reported a hole 20 stories high in WTC7. There is no question about thi. Only people who refuse the truth
And again conspiracy theorists start with falsehoods, and then argue from FALSE claims.
Of course there were fires. WTC7 was completely consumed by fire, which raged for 8 hours. The diesel tank for the giant diesel generator fed diesel fuel into the buidling for 8 hours.
One firemen reported seeing fire in EVERY window on EVERY floor (47 floors)
The fires in WTC7 were catastrophic.
How long will you rage against the truth? Deal in facts.
i was only a couple of years old wen this happened,,,
very sad
misstoth123 9 months ago
Dude even if WTC 7 was hit by anything, it still shouldn't have collapsed without explosives involved, just like the world trade towers did.
SheepAsleepWakeUp 1 year ago 7
i have no idea why i searched this i was just bored but this makes me sick
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Xenomorph911WTC 1 year ago
Sir you are just as "out-there" as the conspiracy crowd. WTC 1, 2 and 7 were TIMEBOMBS from the day they opened. Graft, kickbacks and shoddy building materials along with countless code and building violations made countless dozens of people a whole lotta money. Likely HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE made good money specking and buying bad steel, flameproof carpet that burns, defective re-bar, weakly mixed concrete and so on while paying inspectors to look the other way. Planes hit and it was CYA time
chefpetey 1 year ago
@chefpetey
Please do yourself a favor and read about the twin towers design before posting such absurd comments. Your "faulty steel" explanation still doesn't explain how the core collapsed completely from fire throughout the 90th floors.
Contrary to the FEMA's assertion that the core columns were freestanding, construction photographs clearly show that large horizontal beams cross-connected the core columns in a three-dimensional matrix of steel.
Simple question: Have you seen the core?
cancanbiker 1 year ago
@cancanbiker Sir: Just offered that as "what if?" Stated it as fact because of the character limit. You MUST ADMIT it makes sense when you consider that NOT ONE DEBUNKER has mentioned this as even a possibility. Maybe all the buildings needed was a minor seismic event or errant hurricane. Watched a 1 year old building fall in its own footprint in Bethlehem, PA. Very cheap Re-bar made with NUCLEAR WASTE in Mexico turned all the concrete into Swiss Cheese at thesame time. Catastophic failure
chefpetey 1 year ago
@chefpetey
sorry for coming across like a a**hole. I guess we all look at events and draw our own conclusion. When it comes to 911 I feel like I have seen enough evidence to be convinced some institutions had enough knowledge about the attack to benefit from it in every conceivable way hence its another inside job.It's hard to imagine a building with more steel & better design than the WTC. The design made it easy to covertly access the core columns and place explosives secretly via elevators
cancanbiker 1 year ago
@cancanbiker I will go one step further and say that it was probably the same explosive medium that was used in the Shanksville shoot-down. Frankly I think Thermite...in any form...is too "old school." Assuming the concrete, rebar, structural steel, 2 jetliners with people and luggage were not defective...WHAT in this world coulda turned them to DUST in one shot? Go back and research Neutron weapons which, oddly, fell off the scope in the 80s
chefpetey 1 year ago
@chefpetey
watch?v=upk767RMYsM
Certainly! No other bomb explains the fuel smell in the lobby (which was not jet fuel from the crash 80 stories up) and the aluminium particles in the dust. Thermite makes a molten like reaction which we didn't observe in the core. Like you said we saw the steel turn literally to dust. That's what this bomb is designed to do. It's in the hands of front companies for the cia like Wackenhut & the WTC security was run by a similar company called Kroll.
cancanbiker 1 year ago
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Already millions dead would you kill whole nations maybe. Hatred is not the answer, Start with the truth, this has obviously been hidden, why? When we can truly answer that question can we legally and morally retaliate in any way. Remember WMD weapons in Iraq, well they lied about them or they want us to believe that the worlds spy networks can't tell if some country is making WMD weapons, what a joke
ste6666666 1 year ago
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Top Construction Firm: WTC Destroyed By Controlled Demolition
Paul Joseph Watson | Veteran Middle East correspondent Alan Hart: Largest engineering firm studied collapse of twin towers and said there was no doubt it was a controlled explosion.
Plus NIST said free fall speed on WTC7 for 5 sec wow no WOW
Pull It
conspiracymedia 1 year ago
you are a dumb fool madamoisellenior8222222222222222
damienh26 1 year ago
You know what I dont feel like aruguing about it. You see it your way and I see it mine. I only pray for all of our safety in the coming times. God Bless.
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MadamoiselleNoir82 1 year ago
@MadamoiselleNoir82 No, you are not. Don't insult our intelligence. Don't hide behind "asking questions" or wanting a second look. Remember when parents could see through your ploys as a child? You are accusing innocent people of 3,000 counts of mass murder, while HURTING America's will and ability to defend herself against further attacks. WE ALREADY TRIED your approach, and 3,000 people are dead. You need to get up to speed. The world does not work the way you suggest.
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MadamoiselleNoir82 1 year ago
@MadamoiselleNoir82 It did not fall like it was detonated. How many buildings have you watched fall down from causes OTHER than detonation? What qualifications do you have to compare the two?
How could explosives survive a 7 hour fire inside WTC 7?
CAUGHT ON TAPE: Watch the damage to WTC 7 from the collapsing towers, copy and paste this into the YOU TUBE URL:
[YOUTUBE URL] /watch?v=nEgPNNcdtu4
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MadamoiselleNoir82 1 year ago
@MadamoiselleNoir82 YES, that is really the answer.
You forget: Muslim extremists bombed the WTC in 1993. Bill Clinton "played nice" all through the 90's with attack after attack by Muslim extremists.
Your way failed.
Grow up.
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MadamoiselleNoir82 1 year ago
@MadamoiselleNoir82 The CIA was NOT ALLOWED to share the information, under "the wall" created by Pres. Bill Clinton, Attorney General Janet Reno, and Jamie Goerlick. Liberal Administrations always ATTACK the intelligence capabilities of the USA, then BLAME those same battered institutions for the damage inflicted by liberals.
Whether someone can be trusted DOES NOT MAKE THEM GUILTY of anything. That is sheer stupidity.
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MadamoiselleNoir82 1 year ago
@MadamoiselleNoir82 Yes, you have diagnosed yourself correctly.
NO ONE had sufficient information to realize what was going to happen on 9/11.
The FBI knew pieces. The CIA knew pieces. The NSA knew pieces.
But Bill Clinton through Janet Reno ORDERED THEM NOT TO TALK TO EACH OTHER. Janet Reno erected a "WALL" forbidding the FBI and the CIA from talking to each other.
So Bill Clinton caused 9/11 by erecting this wall between the agencies.
JonathonMoseley 1 year ago
@MadamoiselleNoir82 The NSA did not know about the 9/11 attacks in advance.
EVERYONE KNEW that SOMETHING would happen SOMEWHERE, SOMETIME, SOMEHOW by SOMEONE.
But that information is useless.
And all indications pointed to an attack outside the USA, like the 1998 Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.
JonathonMoseley 1 year ago
Holy crud, was this the old one I put up a few years back in early 2007? From my VHS recording? It would be amazing if that actually survived the internet that long, my version is long gone, I would have to rerip it. .
Xenomorph911WTC 1 year ago
ha You can see collumn 20. I dont think that was caused by falling debris. It is prefectly gone. Center area of the building. And the fires were mostly around the SEC.
cancanbiker 1 year ago
my favorite part is when the building falls down
v00d00rOckEt 1 year ago
Actually, you don't know how much I know about our foreign policy. And the last time I looked, muslims weren't the only terrorists back in Jeffersons time...
And actually, the Koran has stated that anyone who attacks you, then it is ok to attack them. I am not a Muslim so I really don't care if the religion fades or not, but the very mechanism we use to destroy extremists is the very mechanism build into the koran to prevent its destruction. The best way is through educational means.
sarevor 2 years ago
The problem is not how much you know, but how much of what you know ISN'T TRUE. We live in a flood of propaganda.
Likewise, it doesn't matter what you or I see in the Koran, but what the nuts THINK THEY SEE in the Koran.
It also does not matter if those attacking us today are the only bad guys or not. Irrelevant.
What matters is that they are NOT -- NOT -- motivated by our foreign policy.
They are motivated by THEIR foreign policy: Conquest of the planet.
MoseleyJon 2 years ago
Then why aren't they killing us now? Surely you don't believe that our foreign policy just started working. All we have done is stretch ourselves thin and put most of our efforts in securing certain areas. Anyone can be a terrorist and it doesn't have to be a Muslim. Nothing stops someone from building a bomb and stepping onto a train platform and leaving it on the train.
There are over a billion muslims yet only a small fraction are extremists.
sarevor 2 years ago
Because they are on the defensive. The AQ network has been disrupted, smashed, and disconnected. They are on the run. While they can set off the occassional bomb, they are mostly pinned down and unable to maneuver.
They are also killing other Muslims, which is destroying their reputation. Every bomb makes Muslims hate AQ even more.
Rather than waiting for them to fight us over here in the USA, we fought them on territory far away.
MoseleyJon 2 years ago
It does not matter if only a small fraction of Muslims are extremists.
Of 305 million Americans, only a small fraction are serial killers. But if ONE is determined to kill you, you will still be just as dead.
Muslims are NOT attacking us bc of our foreign policy.
They are SMART enough to try to CON YOU and make excuses. They play the VICTIM game beautifully.
But Muslims have ALWAYS attacked infidels, for 1400 years.
"The borders of Islam are always bloody" was said forever
MoseleyJon 2 years ago
Some have said that the terrorists already defeated America; they used our fear to manipulate us and look at where our country is at right now. We have stretched ourselves so thin and we even brought our troops over to the enemy so that they can kill them firsthand.
The terrorists set up a trap and we got ourselves caught up in it. The war has killed more people than in 9/11, so Bush was doing a better job than the terrorists.
sarevor 2 years ago
This is a perfectly valid question to ask, and to consider in the planning and implementation of a response to an attack. One must question what our goals are and what our enemies goals are, and then design our strategy to preserve our goals and defeat our enemy's goals.
But I think you are factually wrong. I do not believe, facutally, that it has harmed our country. We have NOT lost our liberties. We have NOT over-reacted. I think we got it right.
MoseleyJon 2 years ago
In terms of sending troops fo rthem to kill, again, this is FACTUALLY untrue.
It could be true. It is NOT a bad question to look at.
But I don't think it is actually true.
It is not a choice between fighting them or not fighting them, but fighting them HERE or THERE. They would have been HERE in shopping malls, attacking elementary schools, etc.
We have smashed and destroyed the terrorists' networks. They are in shambles. The news media loves them. But in reality they lost
MoseleyJon 2 years ago
Agitate a bee hive enough and you'll get stung.
I love America BTW, just not it's foreign policy. I don't know how America has survived its foreign policy for so long, but the 9/11 attack was the proof that our policy creates enemies worldwide.
sarevor 2 years ago
There is nothing wrong with America's foreign policy.
However, you (like most) DON'T KNOW America's foreign policy current and past.
What you think you know is anti-American lies by the media and agents bent on destroying America.
Islam was attacking the USA under President Thomas Jefferson.
The problem is Islam.
There was no Israel in the early 1800's, yet Muslims were already attacking the USA in the early 1800's.
You are being CONNED with complaints about our foreign policy
MoseleyJon 2 years ago
These enemies have been attacking the USA and the West generally bc they believe (disputed) that the Koran COMMANDS them to conquer every inch of planet Earth, and that Allah will be offended if any part of the Earth is not in total subjection to Allah. Any spot of rebellion against Allah offends Allah.
To further this goal, THEY LIE -- AND YOU FALL FOR IT.
You are being conned, and you fall for it.
How can we know? READ their own writings and speeches, in the original language.
MoseleyJon 2 years ago
Despite the many public statements by 9/11 Commissioners and staff members acknowledging they were repeatedly lied to, not a single person has ever been charged, tried, or even reprimanded for lying to the 9/11 Commission.
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
1st, they are NOT talking about who caused 9/11.
They are talking about people covering up FAILURES before and during 9/11.
This has nothing to do with WHO attacked the USA on 9/11.
Their statements relate to INCOMPETENCE in the US Govt being covered up.
2nd, there are no such statements. A few Commissioners and staff say they DOUBT what they were told. No one has claimed proof of lying.
Such Commissions include a VARIETY of views. When SOME disagreei, that is NORMAL.
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
Someone came to me & asked me if they could borrow my butcher knife so they could go kill a few people. I said "sure". So I let this person borrow my knife knowing their intentions. Arent I just as guilty?? I did nothing to help? Just sat by & watched???? THATS DUMB
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
The only people who killed anyone on 9/11 were the Muslim hijackers sent by Al Qaeda.
And of course on Flight 93, the passengers rushed the cockpit and in the ensuing struggle, the plane crashed.
The planes were flyign very low to stay out of radar.
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director, decorated with the Purple Heart, the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal (Capt. Daniel Davis) stated:
"there is no way that an aircraft . . . would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control ... Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a 'conspiracy Theory' does not change the truth. It seems, 'Something is rotten in the State.' "
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
There is no way that Davis ever said anything so stupid.
AN AIRPLANE ACTUALLY HIT THE WHITE HOUSE IN 1994.
NO ONE COULD BE SO STUIPD AS TO MAKE THE (FABRICATED) QUOTE ABOVE, knowing that it is entirely possible for aircraft to not only approach the White House
BUT ALSO PHYSICALLY STRIKE the White House.
No one could be that ignorant.
BTW: Flight 77 was reported by the FAA AS A CRASH, with search & rescue sent out to West Virginia to search for Flight 77
Try the FACTS
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
And those that sat on their asses & did NOTHING. CANT FORGET THE PEOPLE THAT ALLOWED IT!
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
They dont know who caused it because evidence was destroyed. They couldnt do their investigation properly because of this lack of evidence! The only thing they had to go on was what some one told someone to say!!!
NOW THATS DUMB
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
The evidence was NOT destroyed.
Go to the 911Reality website, where there is an entire page "No Evidence Lost or Destroyed"
Even now, there are 1 million tons of debris still sitting at the "Fresh Kills" salvage yards.
2000 agents scoured through the rubble looking for evidence, including pieces of bodies as small as a fingertip.
There was a thorough investigation.
That's why they are laughing at you nuts.
The Commission was looking into INCOMPETENCE, not the cause
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) who led the 9/11 staff's inquiry, said "I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described .... The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years.... This is not spin. This is not true."
CONGRESS
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
Do you have learning disabilities?
This is exactly what I have told you now 4 times.
The tapes have to do with WHEN DID THE BUREAUCRATS REACT, AND HOW FAST.
This has to do with the INCOMPETENCE of government bureaucrats.
The Commission was not focused on WHO attacked the USA on 9/11.
The Commission was investigating WHO SCREWED UP and how the system should be improved.
See a doctor re: your learning disabilities.
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
No I dont have a learning disablilty! LOL! But maybe you should see something about your anger managment. Your pretty dense in believing all this hogwash though. You make excuses for them just as they make excuses for themselves! It never ends
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
Director of the U.S. "Star Wars" space defense program in both Republican and Democratic administrations, who was a senior air force colonel who flew 101 combat missions (Col. Robert Bowman) stated that 9/11 was "an inside job."
I guess this guys nuts too huh?
Eventually that whole "nuts" jig is gonna bit u in the ass!!
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
Yes, Bowman is a nut. You can just listen to him. Bowman is insane.
I have debated him. He is a tin-foil-hat wearing lunatic.
BTW Bowman was NEVER "Director" of anything in ANY Administration.
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
Whatever! According to you anyone who questions the official story is a nut case! Bowman was never an air force colonel?Is that what your saying?
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
Bowman WAS an Air Force Colonel.
Bowman was NOT Director of space defenses... ever
He DID oversee some work on RESEARCH into space weapons 35 YEARS AGO.
Bowman is a nut case BECAUSE OF WHAT HE SAYS.
Bowman spouts conspiracy theories about everything, and ridiculously false statements.
It does not matter who he is.
What he says is provably FALSE.
Bowman is just a sad old fart seeking attention and hoping to CASH IN selling books and DVD's
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
He also said:
"If our government had merely done nothing, and I say that as an old interceptor pilot—I know the drill, I know what it takes, I know how long it takes, I know what the procedures are, I know what they were, and I know what theyve changed them to—if our government had merely done nothing, and allowed normal procedures to happen on that morning of 9/11, the Twin Towers would still be standing and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive. That is treason!"
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
It is an absolute fact that Bowman is lying. Bowman has been an anti-American agitator for DECADES.
It is a FACT that NO military aircraft has EVER been authorized to shoot down a civilian passenger plane in the history of the USA before 10 AM on 9/11.
So Bowman is a liar.
It is also a fact that due to Clinton's "Peace Dividend" only 4 interceptors were ready for take-over in the NE Quadrant of the USA
Under NO circumstances would the military EVER have shot down a civilian plane
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
June 17, 2009: 29 Structural & Civil Engineers Cite Evidence for Controlled Explosive Demolition in Collapses of All 3 WTC High-Rises on 9/11 More than 950 Architects and Engineers have joined call for new investigation, faulting official collapse reports
PDF at Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
The man who DESIGNED the World Trade Center, Leslie Robertson, says there was no controlled demolition.
He debated Liar Steven Jones on radio.
The radio debate is posted at the 911Reality website. on video documentaries.
TENS OF THOUSANDS of structural and civil engineers agree that there was NO controlled demoliation at the WTC.
Explosives inside the WTC would be DETONATED prematurely by the raging fire.
Explosives would be DESTROYED by the aircraft impact.
CD 100% impossible
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
Sep. 5, 2007: U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' Pilot Questions 9/11
PDF Version Article on OpEdNews
Summary: Commander Ralph Kolstad, U.S. Navy Top Gun pilot, questioned the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. "When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story."
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
But that has NOTHING to do with a conspiracy.
MOST people believe that INCOMPETENT bureaucrats have covered up their FAILURES.
That has NOTHING to do with belief that anyone but Al Qaeda attacked the USA on 9/11
The 9/11 "Truthers" (= Liars) are FRAUDULENT in trying to claim those who want INCOMPETENT bureaucrats FIRED as believing in a conspiracy to CAUSE 9/11
I don't believe we have been told everything -- and should NOT be
But we KNOW that AL Qaeda attacked the USA on 9/11
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
May 18, 2009: 41 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency Veterans Challenge the Official Account of 9/11 Official Account of 9/11: Terribly Flawed, Laced with Contradictions, a Joke, a Cover-up
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
Again: Flawed in terms of failing to hold accountable those who SCREWED UP.
THat has NOTHING to do with the idea that anyone but Al Qaeda attacked the USA on 9/11
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
Summary: More than 40 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency veterans have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and most have called for a new investigation. Veterans from the U.S. State Department, the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Federal Aviation Administration, U.S. Customs and Border Protection and the branches of the U.S. Military are quoted.
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
Again: Government officials and bureaucrats have covered up their own FAILURES and incompetence.
But NO ONE who is sane believes that anyone but Al Qaeda attacked the USA on 9/11.
To start with, you ignore the fact that Al Qaeda has been attacking the USA since 1992, Al Qaeda declared war on the USA -- including its civilian population -- in 1995 and 1996.
You have to be really, really dumb, or a liar, to ignore the facts.
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
More like covering up the evidence that will show they did nothing to stop it. Invited it even
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
Sure they have. And G. Bush was siitin on their laps playin pattycakewith them the whole damn time!
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
You seem to be repeating B.S. about the USA and Bin Laden.
Understand: the AFGHAN Mujahideen FOUGHT A 9-YEAR WAR with the FOREIGN (NON-Afghan) Taliban and Al Qaeda who invaded and occupied Afghanistan.
The USA supported the local AFGHAN Mujahideen vs. the Soviet Union starting in 1980.
The NON-Afghan Bin Laden types showed up LATE in 1986, and pranced around playing toy soldier.
The USA NEVER worked with Bin Laden..
Bin Laden wanted to kill Americans even more than Soviets.
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
No Im not "repeating bullshit" Just facts!
Thats all Grand & real convenient. They were pawns in this whole game. Just like all of us. An excuse to go to war.
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
Al Qaeda IS the game.
Truthers are the pawns, in the hands of Muslim extremists.
Militant Muslims were attackign the USA when Thomas Jefferson was President.
Why is it a surprise that Al Qaeda has been doing what militant Muslims have always been doing?
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
Lieutenant colonel, 24-year Air Force career, Vice Chancellor for Student Affairs at the Defense Language Institute (Lt. Colonel Steve Butler) said "Of course Bush knew about the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism."
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
More evidence that you nuts are liars.
1st, almost NONE of these allged quotes ever check out as accurate
2nd the evidence proves that BUSH DID WARN THE AIRLINES, THE MILITARY, LAW ENFORCEMENT, OVERSEAS EMBASSES, ETC., ETC., ETC.
It is a fact that when the vague warnings were detected, THEY WERE IN FACT COMMUNICATED to all relevant players to "BE ON THE LOOKOUT" (BOLO).
That is a fact. The documents are in the record transmitting the warnings.
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
Well then that kind of squashes the whole"We had NO idea, no prior knowledge" Why would Bush warn airlines etc., if they had no warnings????
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
Everyone on the planet knows there were dozens of VAGUE, NON-SPECIFIC warnings that 'someone, somewhere, might do something, sometime, in some place."
Bush & this Admin passed these along with DOZENS of warnings throughout the Summer of 2001.
However, there was NOTHING detailed enough to contain useful information about the specific people or plot or locations, and the available information pointed to attacks OUTSIDE the United States.
So the focus was on warning overseas Embassies.
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
"This isn't about party, it isn't about Bush Bashing. It's about our country, our constitution, and our future. ...
Your countrymen have been murdered and the more you delve into it the more it looks as though they were murdered by our government, who used it as an excuse to murder other people thousands of miles away.
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
If you ridicule others who have sincere doubts and who know factual information that directly contradicts the official report and who want explanations from those who hold the keys to our government, and have motive, means, and opportunity to pull off a 9/11, but you are too lazy or fearful, or ... to check into the facts yourself, what does that make you? ....
Are you afraid that you will learn the truth and you can't handle it? ..."
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
If I ever run into anyone with sincere doubts, I will keep that in mind.
However, NOTHING about the "Truther" movement is sincere. These are NOT sincere doubts. These are KNOWING LIES by anti-American agitators who knowingly seek to lower America's defenses so that America can be attacked again in the future.
You hate America and want to see America attacked and defeated.
YOU ALREADY HAVE EXPLANATIONS. You are NOT asking questions.
Motive, means, opportunity are IRRELEVANT
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
I dont hate America You RETARD! I dont want America attacked either RETARD! Thats been done & said too many times! Get a grip!! I raise a family in AMerica I live in America! I hope nobody is EVER a victim of an attack EVER! And I HOPE that if it were to happen a REAL HERO would stand up & do something to STOP IT not sit by & let it happen for their own greedy disgusting motives!
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
You quite obviously DO hate America.
You want a WEAK America so that America will have to conform with European socialism.
Your foreign policy beliefs of diplomacy and talk was proven WRONG on 9/11.
You must erase 9/11 because 9/11 discredits everything you believe politically.
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
Thats about as believable as the official story. You know NOTHING about me & my beliefs & wants so shove it where the sun dont shine.
That is just a bunch of bullcrap & u know it!
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
I want America to be the way it always has been. I want the greedy people that are supposed to be REPRESENTING US (Americans), the guys working for US, to stop their war crimes & thier money games. They should send their families & friends to war if they love it sooo much! Or go somewhere else with all their greed
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
" you hate America You want AMericans to die" BLAH BLAH BLAH!! What a crock of shit!
I always wonder what yall will come up with next
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
The simplest evidence is WTC7 falling at freefall for over 2 seconds-
That may not tell a dimwit much.
But for those of us with high school physics, or above-
It says it ALL
whatever2dont 2 years ago 3
This proves there is GRAVITY.
Of course, WTC7 DID NOT fall at free fall speeds. That is a lie.
BUT SO WHAT?
Does the govt have a magic gravity machine? Can the govt now change gravity?
You don't even understand what you are saying! (I DO, but figure it out.
1st, WHY would conspirators CARE how fast WTC7 fell?
2nd, what would be required to cause NO resistance whatsoever?
UH-OH YOU LOSE!
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
@JonathonMoseley You are very much a part of the twin towers conspiracy. You try extremly hard to try to sway us who know the truth. You think following the public explanation is patriotic and will die for what you believe in. I wish you were in one of the three towers that were BOMBED by our government officials but I also wish you made it out. So even then if you continued to spread lies at least you would know that they were in fact LIES.
forcefedlies86 2 years ago
Facts are facts. One of the mental diseases of the conspiracy theorists is substituting their concepts of MOTIVATIONS for FACTS.
It does not matter what you or I WANT to be true. What counts is what IS true.
It is 100% imnpossible that there were any bombs inside the WTC.
For one of a hundred reasons, the bombs would have been prematurely detonated by the FIRES. In the area of aircraft impact, bombs would have been DESTROYED.
But that is precisely where the collapse started.
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
@JonathonMoseley and tower seven? How does your media theory explain that? You have to know that only 4 steel buildings in the history of country have ever collapsed because of fires 3 of them fell september 11. Do you at least see why we are suspicious? Where did you get your information from? Maybe then I could see your point and take on a new aproach because I really honestly wish this wasnt a true. I really want to be a paranoid American with nothing to worry about.
forcefedlies86 2 years ago
FIRST your info is WRONG: MANY steel bldgs collapse from fire alone. Steel is notorious as a TERRIBLE building material for surviving a fire.
100 years ago an architect wrote of steel buildings as A FIRE TRAP -- unaccetably dangerous in a fire.
Steel EXPANDS when heated. Adding only 1000 degrees, a 110 ft steel beam GROWS by 15 inches.
No rigid structure can survive this expansion. Connections break, beams buckle and warp.
Go to the 911Reality website for hte article.
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
Re; WTC Bldg 7, how many times do you people need it explained?
AGAIN: WTC7 burned on EVERY floor for 7 hours. How would explosives survive a fire for 7 hours and not detonate until the appointed time around 5:20 PM?
Everything you need to know about WTC7 can be seen in this video:
Type the website address for YOUTUBE, and then add:
/watch?v=nEgPNNcdtu4
When the NYC firefighters -- who lost friends -- said WTC 7 cannot remain standing, you might listen to the experts
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
Do u think they use this new method of demolition now on buildings? Instead of spending weeks setting up demo just set a few strategically placed fires inside the building & in a few hours watch the thing do down nice & neat. NOT!!!! 9/11 was an inside job
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
No, becasuse the key word in controlled demolition is CONTROLLED, not demolition.
Demolition is easy. CONTROL is hard.
The WTC towers (each with a 1 acre footprint) collapsed across 16 acres.
That is an atrocious and disastrous record for any demolition.
You can see massive debris raining down on adjacent buildings.
Anyone doing that with controlled demolition would be fired, sued, and thrown in jail for endangerment.
Any fool can destroy a building. CONTROLLING it is the key
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
People need to wake the F'up and realize wtf are we doing.Stop listening to the media, and get off your ass and do some research! There is so much evidence that 9/11 was allowed to happen but yet all people do is say its a conspiracy theory and talk shit .our troops are fighting for freedom but yet our own government is striping your freedoms in front of your faces stating to make you safer...BS!! watch this anyone can argue about building collapse but how can u? dispute this watch?v=Uu0xfz4DEN4
tsnyder83 2 years ago
There is no evidence whatsoever of your conspiracy theories. ZERO.
Remember: The fact that you have questions does not equal evidence of anything. The fact that you ahve questions is evience only of the fact that you have questions.
There is overwhelming evidence that Al Qaeda and no one else caused 9/11.
Gio the website 911Reality and learn something
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
Theres TONS of evidence!
Sure it was Al Queda, but they didnt act alone.
I've learned PLENTY
secretwatcher100 2 years ago
Anyone can agrue about the tower collapses, it can go on forever..facts are shown what happend before, during and after the attack. Watch the video below....lets stop talking about the building collapses and focus on what really happend behind the scenes...odd u stated we have no facts....just questions.....but the government cant answer them and people are Conspiracy Theorists???...Watch the video..too many things dont add up....watch?v=zhnNy5EsebA
These are facts NOT conspiracy's!
tsnyder83 2 years ago
Yyour questions ARE answered. You just don't lift a finger to go get the answers.
There are NO unanswered questions about 9/11.... only people too lazy and close-minded to read the answers.
Look at the 911Reality website (com).
It's all there.
But if things don't add up, that is still evidence of NOTHING. It shows only that "we" (you) don't understand what happened.
it is NOT proof that anything happened different from the PUBLIC explanation.
We NEVER know every detail
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
you are asbsolutely pathetic mosely fucking ignorant twat youll get whats comin to you.
MrFineWine1 2 years ago
I am looking forward to being blessed for tellling the truth and fighting against lies. Standing up for what is right is a blessed thing.
For you to falsely smear innocent people, howeer, is despicable.
But you are saying that your employers in Al Qaeda, whom you are defending, will come and get me?
The 9/11 Truthers are of course funded by Tehran. The goal is to get teh USA to weaken its defenses so that Al Qaeda and other terrorists will be able to attack the USA again
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
thanx "czubspenx" i was beginning to think no one was reading his comments and see how foolish he sounds!!!! for jon... tell me why on the F.B.I list of wanted terrorist osama is "NOT" wanted for the 9/11 attacks??? if he did it then why does the FBI say "they have "NO" proof of his involvement??? ANSWER THAT 4 ME MR KNOW-IT-ALL!!!!!!
jtrish23 2 years ago
Bin Laden was already under a Federal arrest warrnt from BEFORE 9/11 for OBL's terrorist attacks on the USA in the Embassy bombings in Kenya & Tanzania.
NOTE: Bin Laden ALREADY ATTACKED US EMBASSIES IN 1998 AND THE USS COLE IN 2000, and was involved in the 1993 WTC bombings.
There is no need to issue a NEW arrest warrant. The FBI would have to reveal all the evidence they have to get another arrest warrant. One is enough
The FBI DOES have OVERWHELMING evidence of OBL's guilt re 9/11
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
that's NOT what the F.B.I sez!!! they state they have NO proof he was involved with 9/11 so get your facts straight!!!!!!!
jtrish23 2 years ago
Yes it IS what the FBI says... they have overwhelming evidence of Osama Bin Laden's guilt re: 9/11.
First, NOTE: Bin Laden already committed terrorism against the USA, in the 1998 bombings of the Embassies, the USS Cole, Khobar Towers, probably the 1993 WTC bombing.
So you are asking us to believe that OBL is guilty of all this terrorism, but he would NEVER fly airplanes into US buildings. oh, no!!
The US Govt is about to prosecute UBL's man Khalikh Sheik Momahmmed any day now
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
so where can i find the proof of his guilt??? where do they say and what do they say they have on him???? you show me and i just might believe you!!!!!
jtrish23 2 years ago
What makes you think the FBI is waiting around to satisfy you and to wait on you hand and foot?
That is one of the big errors of the 9/11 conspiracy theorists... the idea that the world revolves around you.
If you want to see all the evidence of Bin Laden's guilt, get a seat in the courtroom when the US Attorney prosecutes Khalikh Sheikh Mohammed, Osama Bin Laden, and other Al Qaeda members.
Prosecutors HATE to reveal their evidence before the trial.
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
just say you have no proof and stop trying to act like you know everything!!!! this world don't revolves around YOU!!!! i'm NOT no "conspiracy theorists" like you say. i'm just a realist who knows a SCAM(9/11) when i see one!!!! the U.S. has NO proof so that makes these wars a big fat LIE!!! now you know why NOBODY is going to believe you!!!!
jtrish23 2 years ago
OBL has publicly admited, many times, that Al Qaeda planned & implemented the 9/11 attacks against the USA. These videos were handed to MUSLIM TV journalists, who KNOW OBL from interviewing him before 9/11. They are copied off the air FROM Muslim TV networks.
Tremendous amounts of evidence of Al Qaeda's responsibility for 9/11 is widely available. Some was revealed in the trial of Zaccarais Moussaiou.
The plans for the 9/11 attacks were recovered from Khalikh Sheikh Mohammed's computer
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
sorry but your barking up the wrong tree 'cuz i know the truth that OBL states that he had nothing to do with 9/11 and that "Tremendous amounts of evidence of Al Qaeda's responsibility for 9/11 is widely available" is FALSE!!! if true you should have no problem showing me where to find them if they're sooo "widely available"!!!!! if not that shows your a liar!!! prove me wrong if you can.....with FACTS!!!!
jtrish23 2 years ago
For a breif moment in time, BEFORE the multi-national coalition liberated Afghanistan, OBL denied involvement in 9/11 TO KEEP THE USA FROM INVADING AFGHANSTAN.
But as soon as Afghanistan was invaded, Bin Laden openly and freely admitted that Al Qaeda had carried out the 9/11 attacks on the USA, and they have been boasting about it ever since.
And NOTE that these videotapes are given to Muslim journalists who KNOW their Al Qaeda contacts. We watch them on MUSLIM TV stations first
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
The fact that you want all the evidence on 9/11 in a 500 character comment, which does not allow posting links, is typical.
No one owes you an explanation. We do not have to dance to your tune. You are not important.
If you want to know all the thousands of bits of evidence proving that Al Qaeda is responsible for 9/11, DO YOUR HOMEWORK. It is everywhere
The plans for 9/11 were found on KSM's laptop.
Go to 911Reality. The hijackers recorded pre-9/11 suicide notes of 9/11
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
How convenient. I wonder if we'll find one of the highjackers passports amongst the rubble at ground zero? It would me a miracle if it survived the crash AND the collapse of the tower don't you think?
webmasterflash 2 years ago
WHY would it be a miracle?
First, do you know anything about large fires? Go look at some. It is chaotic what does and does not burn.
The problem is you are ignorant of what is NORMAL in a large fire.
Second, WHERE do you think a hijacker's passport would be in relation to an airplane.
Hmmmm..... IN THE COCKPIT, PERHAPS? WITH HIM????
Duh! At the very FRONT of the airplane.
WHERE is the jet fuel exploding?
IN THE WING TANKS -- BEHIND the cockpit.... blowing FORWARD
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
dast bullshit
MafiiaXxX 2 years ago
Dats* That's*
MafiiaXxX 2 years ago
Jon Jon is a con con.
czubspenx 2 years ago 2
JonathonMoseley is a liar!!!! the firefighters who WERE there on 9/11 state that they heard explosions that day!!!! and there was not flames on every floor coming out of every window of 47 floors!!!! ALL LIES!!! jon you were NOT there either!!!!
jtrish23 2 years ago
Sorry relaity is not pleasant for you, but you are wrong.
First, fires in large buildings ALWAYS produce explosion sounds. You don't understand what you are talking about.
Second, there were NO reports of explosions in WTC7, only the jet fuel exploding in the Twin Twoers.
Third, you are calling the NYC firefighters liars. They saw fire in ALL the windows on ALL 47 floors.
For 5 hours before WTC7, the firefighters said it was going to fall. It could not remain standing.
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
i'm looking for the RAGING fires i was told about that caused the collapse, where are they? is it because there were none that i cant find any? nothing but smoke and mirrors?
EarthsGravitySucks 2 years ago
I am sorry, but you were not there. It's a sad fact that the world does not revolve around you. Even as a narcissistic, self-centered baby-boomer who thinks that everything should revolve around you, if cry "WAWW!" loud enough you cannot change the fact that you were not there on 9/11.
So you need to read the statements of the firefighters who WERE there on 9/11. The firefighters -- who are experts at fire -- saw flames in EVERY window on EVERY floor -- 47 floors of WTC 7
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
Too bad you were not there that day.
You would like to see things, but since you were not there YOU CANNOT.
That may drive your baby-boomer narcissism crazy, that you cannot have what you want. But you cannot .
Those who WERE there that day -- professional firefighters -- admitted that the greatest fire department in the world had to ABANDON the building b/c the fires were out of control.
FAILURE for NYC's finest.
The firefighters on site saw raging fires consuming ALL OF WTC7
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
which building was the closest to the colapsing ones if it wasn`t wtc 7?
* 9/11 Investigated Instantly - with Private Engineers
WITHIN HOURS of the attacks, the site was crawling with PRIVATE engineers & investigators *
yeeah, they were there at the improvised
headquarter that was set up for the drill.!
how could ve forget that.
Realizalize 2 years ago
Go to 911Reality com, and you can see details on the private investigations of the WTC collapses, and the extensive investigation of all of the WTC debris at the nearby "Fresh Kills" salvage yards (converted from a landfill to the purpose), with 2,000 agents examining 55,000 pieces of evidence.
WTC 7 was directly across from WTC 1, with an 8 story building WTC 6 in between. Because WTC 1 was 1,362 feet high (110 floors) and WTC7 only 47 floors, massive debris fell on WTC 7
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
Continued, once more.
And also notice, that the WTC7 DOES HAVE A CORE. How did this core get damage to give way to the whole building to collapse on it's entirety without leaving much of the floors or any of the undamaged sections? It didn't, they were severed too.
The fires in that building did not even reach 800F. Melting point of Steel, to weaken, would be 2750F. Steel is a heatsink that absorbs heat efficiently without giving way.
Once again, you 'debunkers' have no credibility.
ArcanineKing 2 years ago
Wow. Everyone else on the planet knows by now that steel loses 50% of its strength at 1400 degrees F, and 80% of its strength at 1800 degrees F.
Furthermore, steel EXPANDS, causing a rigid structure to warp, buckle, and SHATTER. There is no place for the expansion to go. So connecting bolts shear off, welds break.
EMRTC for Natl Geographic did a demonstration. Jet fuel reached 2000 deg F in 2 minutes, and a steel beam folded like a wet noodle in only 3.5 minutes.
That's real life.
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
Well, gee then, I wonder as to how the Windsor, the CCTV Tower (50 story tall building) in china caught entirely on fire and burned for over 10 hours... collapsed due to fire... Oh wait, they're still standing.
WTC was caught on fire before, in the 70s. Fire was described as 'the hottest fire ever fought.' It burned for hours on end. At the end of the day, it was over... and it still stood erect until 2001.
:P
ArcanineKing 2 years ago
Steel buildings collapse due to fire all the time. Steel is famous as the 2nd WORST material for surviving a fire.
The Hotel Windsor in Madrid had a steel frame around a concrete core. THE STEEL FRAME COMPLETELY COLLAPSED FROM THE FIRE. Only the concrete core remained.
Go to 911Reality com and watch the video of a Delft Univ STEEL building collapsing in a fire
In 1993, 3 steel buildings collapsed on the same day from fire in the Kader Toy Factory fire.
Try learning something
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
However, this is a very stupid discussion. The idea that all buildings behave the same way is incredibly stupid.
No two buildings are the same. No two fires are the same. You know that. You are smarter than that.
In a severe earthquake, some buildings fall down, some do not. No one expects ALL buildings to fall down. No one doubts that the earthquake caused buildings to fall down because some are still standing. That sounds really stupid, doesn't it?
But you already knew that, right?
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
Hmm, let's recap.
Windsor and CCTV are two different structures.
Both were engulfed in fire for over 8-10 hours.
Both had never collapsed due to any thermal expansion. There's other buildings as well.
So you're saying that WTC1 + 2 and WTC7, two DIFFERENT structures, fell the same way with fire?
...
I'll let you believe what you want. I'm tired of having to argue with your stupidity.
9/11 truth has real movement on the streets. Where is the opposition? The debunkers? Nowhere.
Get real.
ArcanineKing 2 years ago
It is an incredibly stupid discussion to compare two buildings. No two buildings are alike. No two fires are alike.
MANY steel framed buildings have collapsed from fire alone. The fact that it COULD happen is all we need to know.
You are trying to argue that there is NO set of circumstances in which a steel building could collapse from fire. That is just false. Steel buildings HAVE collapsed from fire alone. CASE CLOSED.
The steel frame of the Windsor hotel COLLAPSED from the fire
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
which windsor hotel are you talking about? to put it another way, which freeper page filled your head with garbage?
EarthsGravitySucks 2 years ago
As I wrote, the Windsor Hotel in Madrid suffered a fire WITH FIRE-FIGHITNG available (there was no water supply to the fire at the WTC because of the aircraft impact damage).
The steel frame of the Madrid Windsor very obviously and very conspicuously collapsed -- appearing to melt -- from the fire.
The central CONCRETE core remained standing.
Basically, the top half of the Madrid Windsor hotel -- the steel frame -- crumpled like chocolate in the Texas sun. The steel FAILED in a normal fire
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
MANY steel framed buildings have collapsed from fire alone.???? you sooo full of crap!!!!! tell me the "many" buildings then??? name them!!!! LIES, LIES, LIES!!! THAT'S WHAT YOUR ALL ABOUT!!!!the Windsor Hotel in Madrid DID NOT COLLAPSED!!!! CASE CLOSED.how long you think you can keep up those lies??? you seriously need to get a life!!!!
jtrish23 2 years ago
Go to 9/11Reality website and you can read all about it.
WATCH the steel-framed Delft Univ. ARCHITECTURE Building (the Faculty of Architecture) collapse from fire alone.
Read about the THREE (3) steel buildings that collapsed on the same day in 1993 at the Kader Toy Factory.
Read the WORCESTER POLYTECHNIC INSTITUTE report on about TWO DOZEN steel buildings that have collapsed from fire.
Read The Fire-trap Modern "Sky-scraper" (analyzing collapses of many steel buildings)
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
I'm not done yet...
Also, you think a little gash like that is going to collapse the entire building? LOL BWAHAHAHA!
What the heck do you close-minded fools know about structural engineering? NONE.
In order to cause the building to fall, you'd need to sever every column available on every floor. Now you don't need to blow them up, it can be cut. WTC7 burned for over 5 hours with few fires on dozens of floors. Nothing it can't handle.
NIST reports FIRE caused the building to collapse, btw.
ArcanineKing 2 years ago
NIST's damage report is a fake.
I can clearly see the corner intact where they said it was damaged.
THE BLASPHEMY! D:<
Also.
81 columns failed simultaneously, causing the ENTIRE building to crumble down to its footprint... in seconds? Where is the resistance? Why weren't the unaffected, undamaged areas not given resistance?
Was the WTC7 made of cheese? I'm curious. No steel building ever fell from a fire. Windsor building, completely caught on fire, burned over 8 hours. No collapse.
ArcanineKing 2 years ago
This video is obsolete. Because of comments I will save it for a while before deleting it.
The NEW VERSION is at:
/watch?v=nEgPNNcdtu4
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
Of course you accused innocent people of despicable crimes. It is overwhelmingly obvious that WTC 7 did NOT come down from a controled demolition.
Yet you accuse innocent people of horrific crimes which in fact Al Qaeda committed. And by doing so you weaken our defenses against a REAL enemy intent on killing your countrymen.
You are NOT just asking questions.
The answers are available with 5 minutes research. You AVOID the answers to the questions. You don't want to know the truth
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
So your solution is to falsely accuse innocent people without any evidence? SImply because it feeds your ego to blame people who did nothing wrong. You are the RE-VICTIMIZERS.
Your comment that I ignore every word you say says volumes about your thinking.
I have shown that everyything you say is a LIE. It might NIOT be YOUR lie, but someone else's lie you have BOUGHT INTO.
You smear the memory of 3,000 victims. You should be burned at the stake.
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
I accused no one, I blamed no one... That is one of your lies.
Yes, you ignore my words but that is ok, It's your right.
I'll let anyone reading this (Which I'm sure not many are) to decide for themselves if what I say has any validity.
You don't really seem to care about the memory and maybe one day you will be forgiven for that...
Interesting you feel I should die for asking questions.
MoJoSB 2 years ago
From what I know and have seen...
Building 7 came down in a controlled demolition.
You believe what you want and I will as well. We will never be able to change each others minds, so why bother.
I just don't know why you would bother to fight so hard to win arguments here and ignore every single word I say. Not sure what the pay off is for you.
My reason is, I can't live with what I know and not do something about it... Too many people died and they deserve better.
Time will out.
MoJoSB 2 years ago
From all that I know and have seen.
Building 7 went down in a controlled demolition.
Not sure what your reason is for even caring about this or why you insist to believe fairy tales but I'm not taking the ride with you...
Believe what you will and I'll believe what I will. I really can't change your mind and you can't change mine. So lets leave it at that.
Time will tell.
MoJoSB 2 years ago
Well, you don't know anything.
Those who are experts at designing, building, and demolishing buildings say you are wrong.
Building 7 collapsed from fire and physical damage.
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
You mean the the ones from NIST?
What a joke. Government-funded institutes like those can't be trusted for one reason: they've been proven wrong several times and had changed their report numerous times as well. At one point they threw out their photoshopped WTC7 building corner damage picture. Because two images from two photographers show no damaged floors on the corner, just the windows.
What NIST is good at, is playing know-it-all and then get proven wrong, to make something else.
ArcanineKing 2 years ago
No, as a matter of fact one of the despicable lies of the 9/11 Re-Victimizers ("Truthers") is to deny the MASSIVE involvement of university professors, private engineers, and private architects in investigation every aspect of 9/11.
Face it: Your world is a lie.
Go to 911Reality com and look for
NO Evidence Lost or Destroyed & 9/11 Investigated Instantly - with Private Engineers
WITHIN HOURS of the attacks, the site was crawling with PRIVATE engineers & investigators
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
I haven't even gotten to the molten steel under buildings 1, 2 and 7. Fire doesn't do that either.
All I've stated is nothing but facts but I'm sure you will have an answer for those as well...
You have an answer for everything, something with I don't claim to have. I admit I don't know everything but what I know, I know well.
Some of our statements are opinion pasted off as fact. like your guarantee of of collapse with any 20 foot hole. There is no even a way to prove that.
MoJoSB 2 years ago
Don't worry others have embarrased themselves on "molten steel" before. First, NOTHING was molten. Steel is not red BUT WHITE HOT (yellow) when it is molten.
SECOND, it was not steel. It was aluminum. Firefighters did not conduct metallurigical tests.
THIRD, it is 100% irrelevant. NOTHING -- NOTHING -- of any controlled demolition could cause or contribute to molten anything under the WTC rubble. NOTHING.
I have an answer for evertyhing bc the truth is the truth. No lies
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
"And yes a 20 story hole is giong to collapse any building 100% guaranteed, every time"
This is the most laughable line I've ever read... Not only is it NOT TRUE but it has no basis in reality.
"Odds are irrelevant?" You say? Really... Another absurd statement.
I have no falsehoods I draw from. Nothing but fact and observations and I've made no false claims.
Fire doesn't collapse steel framed buildings, if they did, you could start a demolition company with a book of matches.
MoJoSB 2 years ago
Odds are 100% irrelevant. Odds are -- in statistical theory -- the PREDICTION BEFORE THE FACT of what might happen.
WHEN IT HAPPENS, it becomes a fact.
When we know for a fact that something happened, it is 100% irrelevant what the odds were that it was gonig to happen.
If you flip 100 coins you could flip 100 hedas in a row. it is very unlikely. BUT IT IS POSSIBLE.
When it is a proven fact that something did, actually, in fact happen, it is irrelevant what the odds were.
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
100 heads in a row... Yep... You keep believing that.
You don't have facts, clearly at this point you are lying... I can't have a discussion with lies.
MoJoSB 2 years ago
We have all the facts. You have none.
Probability has absolutely nothing to do wiith what has actually, in fact, occurred.
Probability allows you to predict what may happen. It has no relevance to what DID actually happen.
If something actually happens, probability is irrelevant.
You do not understand probability, statistics, or basic logic.
When someone wins the lottery, it is extremely improbable.
And yet it happened.
The improbable can happen, probabiility aside
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
When you have all these miracles happening on the same day, same place, and the same event, you have to take notice.
You can stick with your dogma, I'm sticking with the facts and my gut.
MoJoSB 2 years ago
No. WHen you have multiple events happening on the same day, that means taht they are not independent.
It is entirely plausible that multiple events happen at the same time... if they share a common cause.
Where improbability comes into play is in deciding whetehr they are UNRELATED events or events realted by a common cause.
How could 2,700 INDIVIDUAL people all die at the same place within 30 minutes of each other? IMPOSSIBLE! No, they all had a common cause killing them all
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
Building 6 was between WTC 1 and Building 7...
too bad you can't post links or I would show you.
MoJoSB 2 years ago
WTC 6 was itself compltely destroyed
Take a look at the UPDATED version of this video...
YOU TUBE
/watch?v=p3_wCKwPAlo
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
Yeah, I know 6 was destroyed, I was talking about distance...
So the story is, WTC 1 fell, took out 6 completely, went across the street, took out enough of WTC 7 to make it collapse and left two buildings on either side of it in good enough shape to be reopened?
You have to admit that sounds pretty far fetched...
MoJoSB 2 years ago
Correct. WTC 1 was 1,362 feet high -- 110 stories.
WTC 7 was only 47 stories high.
Look at the videos. WTC1 was a giant that literally towred over WTC 7.
Look at the viideos. THE VIDEOS SHOW YOU CAUGHT ON TAPE THE DEBRIS FALLING FROM 1000 FEET UP ONTO WTC7.
This is not a question. Look at the video.
Why are you arguing about this? The firefighters who were tehre reported a hole 20 stories high in WTC7. There is no question about thi. Only people who refuse the truth
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
It's not what I'm arguing Jon...
The odds of WTC1 hitting one building and not the two right next to it seem slim. (Oddity 1)
A 20 story hole is not going to collapse a building the way we saw it on that day. It fell straight down. (Oddity 2)
There were no even fires to explain how the building gave way symmetrically. Not to mention it was a steel framed building (Oddity 3)
MoJoSB 2 years ago
First, of all, odds are irrelevant in the face of real life. What actually happeend is that debris from WTC1's collapse caused massive damage to WTC7.
Odds are irrelevant. Facts are facts
However, in fact it is not surpirsing at all. The debris DID damage all the other buildings in teh area. 5 or 6 buildings collapsed that day.
And you are ignoring that debris was falling from 1000 feet.
And yes a 20 story hole is giong to collapse any building 100% guaranteed, every time
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
And again conspiracy theorists start with falsehoods, and then argue from FALSE claims.
Of course there were fires. WTC7 was completely consumed by fire, which raged for 8 hours. The diesel tank for the giant diesel generator fed diesel fuel into the buidling for 8 hours.
One firemen reported seeing fire in EVERY window on EVERY floor (47 floors)
The fires in WTC7 were catastrophic.
How long will you rage against the truth? Deal in facts.
JonathonMoseley 2 years ago
@JonathonMoseley
The fireman was wrong. Multiple eye witness accounts and reports
on the news refute his claim, your video at the time it was made
refutes his claim, and the video of the collapse of building seven
ABSOLUTELY refutes his claim. In the video of the collapse NO
FIRE is present AT ALL, IN ANY WINDOW VISIBLE. You should
stay with facts...
irival 1 year ago