@VincenzoFlor Systema looks like it's meant to take down anyone that approaches you with a weapon. Sure, maybe against some martial arts master it's not effective, but against a thug with a knife it's a defense that will beat your enemy with less risk then normal martial arts.
Basically, it's for soldiers. You don't fight martial arts masters in war, you fight other soldiers with weapons. You need to be able to counter them quickly and effectively, no matter what weapon they have.
@VincenzoFlor Didn't want to take more then one post, but I have something to add.
Those simple punches you see that aren't applicable and aren't concrete are actually accurate attacks of specific points on the body. They hit in the places it not only hurts, but places where it disables people.
It may not look like much, but that's the point. It's not showy, it's not entertaining. It drops the enemy in a second, that's all it needs to do. One punch to drop an enemy. Pretty effective.
@VincenzoFlor Please, systema is a more realistic defense. Systema is meant to take down enemies with weapons like knives, guns, etc.
Systema isn't meant to fight thai boxing or valetudo, it's meant to fight soldiers or anyone below that without taking any hits or risks. Streek punks? No problem.
Your martial arts would be far better if you got attacked by ninjas, however.
@VincenzoFlor And how long have you been training Systema?
I mean, without properly training anything, you can't really expect others to value your input on it, so I assume you have a minimum of one years experience.
I don't think you have ever seen Systema in real life, you should go visit a training place and ask to train with them, you'll be surprised.
@Trenatos IT'S OK YOUR REPLY, BUT WATCH THAT VIDEO!! IS PATHETIC: SLOW MOVES, SLOW TRAINING.... NOTHING THAT APPENS IN REAL LIFE. IN VALETUDO E THAI BOXE WE COMBAT WHILE WE TRAIN
I don't know anything about martial arts, but I'm going to take a guess here: 5:00 - There is a weak, sensitive spot, between the muscles, that's just below the sternum. Is that where the shot is being delivered?
@carlsetzer Is the same spot that causes certain chest anomalies, idk it feels like a really weird burn and sometimes like a chest ache. So I am going to guess as well that it is a sensitive spot. Actually I have a ab muscles, yet I feel like my finger can go in a bit. Oo It takes years of research and combat to find all these spots I bet.
@Raziel354 its called the solar plexus and its where the diaphragm seals the lower organs from the lungs to maintain the pressure difference that allows lungs to expand and deflate. hitting it causes the lung pressure to change rapidly and forces all the air out of the lungs.
@carlsetzer its called called the solar plexus and its where the diaphragm seals the lower organs from the lungs to maintain the pressure difference that allows lungs to expand and deflate. hitting it causes the lung pressure to change rapidly and forces all the air out of the lungs.
@theoriginalmyky: Sounds plausible, like getting the wind knocked out. It's hard to see, but it looks like the blow deliverer is getting a knuckle or a thumb in there. If anything it looks painful.
From what I have seen different units train completely different arts. The majority use some form of combat sambo, some ROSS and others Kadochnikov systema. I have never seen any real evidence of Ryabko systema being taught formally however I have met a number of serving spetz guys who train with him. They all seem pretty convinced he is genuine. A couple of these guys learnt kadochnikov systema in spetz before training with Ryabko in their own time.
@scnarb u knida have a point sir.....Cossacks have their own system which they train spetsnaz troops in...Most VDV use combat sambo and Karate....GRU rukopanshi boi or Kadochnikov style by Alersky Kadochinkov ...this is most certaily used to Train elite Spetsnaz Troops..MVD use ROSS....Ryabko systema?never seen a clip of ryabko systema being taught to Spetsnaz Troops only Kadochinkov Style..BUT yuh got to admit Vladimir got real skill....btw Konstatin was from GRU and romours say Leart K-systema
my experience has been the weirder it seems , and from the least likely source, the more it works. strange , old, and out of shape guys tend to throw the worst beatings and hurt locks. but i guess thats part of it, you overlook them and boom! your wondering what just happened...
@geeryukarate what country are you from man? im form trinidad.check out my vids on Soviet Military system:handgun techniques. i practise both systemas, kadochnikov style and vasiliev systema.i use to do krav maga.i know some ross and combat sambo and the usual shotokan and aikido bbj etc had 1 year in these three
@qwertyuiop298 well the Krav i used to Practise was commando krav maga for a while.... CKM was created by moni aizik but he turned out to be a fraud....IT closely Resembls Marine Corps Martial Art Programs and imo the techniques are very valid......It fast and brutal imo but only effective for one opponent..very technique based.....but systema gun and knife defence is much better
"We could spend a lot of time describing and explaining some kind of good fruit, but if you never taste it, you won't get the benefits of having it." - Vladimir Vasiliev
@BushidoBudo9000: Apparently comments on a mobile device sucks. The point is that if you train with a compliant opponent you will expect a real opponent in reality to act the same way. along with the too deadly to spar argument makes the entire system suspect.
To all the haters , i have recently started learning systema and it is insanely good, you may be thinking ofcourse my oppinion may not be a credential, but I dare you to visit a systema seminar and leave without a changed oppinion.
This vid is ofcourse designed for mere examples so it does seem staged to some extent , but if you seem them in a real fight its over in about 3 seconds.
Whenever something is made to look so easy...it usually is giving a false impression. With a good deal of BJJ experience and military experience (in a combat MOS) i can tell you these moves will rarely if ever be effective against a live opponent. And i'm sure if you where to ask as spetsnaz about hand to hand he would tell you what every military man would tell you: use high % moves, not showy crap.
Qualities you acquire with systema are the same that in every other martial arts.
Breathing, reaction, anticipation, accurate moves, timing etc.
The differences are in the way you train, with a pragmatic issue, while in other martial arts, the philosophical aspect has a greater part of the training. The "fat" man is clearly a great martial artist.
and we make no secret that our system is collected from various martial arts, gave up all the excess, hooked physics and anatomy ... and they were invented specifically for special forces ... And here is our product ... nothing more ... no guru worship the masters ... no unnecessary movements ... Greetings from Russia
I'd like to see a systema master challenging a MMA fighter or any other martial arts champion just for making sure its not bullshit... but anyway systema is impressive!
know what - not bothered what sort of music they have over the vid... not bothered if the instructor wears camo or a Gi.... hell I'm not even concerned that there seems to be be much 'passive aggressive' would be attackers on this video.
My only real question is this:
Why is it so hard to find footage of these techniques working in a 'real world' situation?
Drills are fine and they are useful for developing muscle memory and so on... but they are still with some compliance.
@scopeophile, you might be mistaking the ability to withstand/minimize damage with compliance. Learning how to actually take blows, leverages, etc, is based on relaxation, body wholeness and "going with the flow". This isn't compliance, as I think you are intending it.
If you want a video of no compliance, as you mean it, it would be an actual out-to-damage-you fight, and it would end up that way because the other guy doesn't know how to take it. If he did, he would be more "compliant".
@MrStechkin Systems is useful against boxing, remeber, a kick in the shin then putting your palm over their eyes and make a headlock is quite effective
@weijin1 Yes mate no doubt its effective if I for example stay still while the guy will do all that moves on me...russians like praising everything whats theirs the best, i am from russia myself and studied what they call systema in army,russians only gave their name to nature's rules,i personally prefer APS - automatic pistol of Stechkin.
And I really don't care whether Systema is a 100,000 years old or was invented last Tuesday ...!
It's mostly very simple & effective body mechanics (SP?), really anybody can figure it out by just thinking about it. That's why it's good for the army - simple and effective, comparable easy to learn.
It just isn't a competition sport or a rigid traditional MA - ppl seem to have a problem understanding that.
StrengthFrom you need to go study history, Mikhail 'Porky' etc invented Systema, basically pure BS designed to con & fleece very gullible Americans & Europeans out of money, in that respect it works. Systema has NOT been around since the 10 th Century absolute nonsense, there were martial arts in Russia for centuries , modern Systema is taken from diff. arts + hefty dose of BS from 'Porky'. 100% of people that believe in Systema as effective self defence = 100% of people clueless on selfdefence!
or how about Vlad? I have. or I tried it, and got schooled.
if you are truly interested in what you are capable of martially, and not just win some ego sport game, you owe it to yourself to go check systema out.
Cause these guys are major badass fighting guys and truly relaxed and compassionate humans. a truly rare and beautiful combination.
and you could use a little of that compassion, my friend.
Why go this guy not fighting in Ring... he is good !!! yes i see this ....he will see... what is a real fight ... brasilian figthers ,,, fedor ,, brock,, kimbo,, buss.. this is not fighting street....this ma n is very shympatik.... but not a stret fighter... nice guy with his vision to help people without figthing experience akimo love all figthers ever... my idol Fedor
Don't mean to sound synical but to me some of the guys just seem to be falling over at the first touch...LAME!...I reckon someone who uses Krav Maga would own a Systema fighter in a street fight
For the purposes of demonstration, would it make sense to go all out and severely hurt someone? Demonstrating to a class and executing in the street are two different things
Not sure if Systema being used by Spetnaz is a myth or not. Systema is a modern invention not hundreds of years old as they claim. Sure Russian martial arts existed for long time, but they were not Systema. Systema people like Mikhail invented a lot of it, & compiled other stuff from different arts. The main aim of the invention of modern Systema was to fleece very gullible Americans & Europeans keen to learn the deadly Rusian arts that Special Forces use.
@TheCoreValues Watched a documentary on Discovery about the Spetznatz against the green berets. The Spetnatz dude said that they used systema. And they kicked the GB's asses!!!!!!!!!
people seriously believe this stuff works in the street? quite ridiculous, Sytema is a modern art (not a secret art thats been around centuries) designed to fleece gullible Americans & Europeans out of money.
I train in Krav Maga but I'm also interest in Systema, Keysi and Kali. Hope to try my hand in all of these one day.
By the way, cannot help but laugh at the tough e-warriors who diss one system in favor of another, this seems to be a constant case with MMA fans, unfortunately
Unfortunately what most of them don't know is trapping is difficult with gloves, but not street fighting. So street fighting and MMA are two very different worlds. Not to mention wrestling is a bad idea when other people might join the fight. Wing Chun, not to get into different styles but as an example, is great at demonstrating how effective trapping can be. I study Jeet Kune Do, Wing Chun, Kali, Kadochnikov Systema, Krav Maga. Never heard of Keysi! What can you tell me about it?
@FractalBolt Those UFC Wannabe's don't know what they're talking about until they have trained in a Systema class or any other form of self defense, not sport martial arts. Systema has been proven in combat, it is used by the modern russian special forces Spetsnaz, the former KGB, and now the FSB, the people who make fun of Systema have just seen videos on the internet and no nothing about the actual martial art.
yo entreno Krav Maga, pero me e dado cuenta que este siystema es el mas efectivo del mundo.. nada se le compara. ni BJJ, mma o sambo. talves el Krav Maga pero es mas rustico. no es tan evolucionado como este.el BJJ es para 1 oponente al igual que el sambo y no digamos mma ya que estas son mas deportivas, no son de defensa personal, ante muchos oponentes, sircunstancias y esenarios. pregunta? que haria un peliador de mma si lo atacaran dentro de un carro???o dentro de 3 o 4 ?? piensenlo??
La efectividad del Krav Maga está en la rapidez de si aprendisaje, cualquiera puede aprenderlo sin previo entrenamiento en artes marciales o experiencia callejera. Systema requiere de mucha coordinacion que mucha gente no tiene. Para el que es ducho en la pelea, Systema es muy bueno, pero para los que no, Krav Maga es la mejor opción.
Come on, a formerly secretive martial arts system made by one of the best special elite units in the world, spetsnaz, does an art called systema, and you people out there are arrogant enough to say thats bullshit?
I'd like to see some of you haters out there go into combat against a spetsnaz/ GRU elite. You will die.
Only a total idiot would proclaim any martial art as invincible. Different sytles suit different situations but this stuff it seems is only effective on people who flop on the floor after being hit once. I'd like to see one of these guys against a Krav Maga, BJJ, MMA or Sambo fighter. Spaz
@albinocaveslug I dont disagree with any of these factors. It is true that the "attackers" in this video also move like a Systema dude, very loose and also complient. But the key things are, these guys have such fluidity of motion as second nature and such good footwork that even in a real situation they can remain loose and agile, which is the most important thing. Its all about adjusting and applying to how you train. Kinda like drawing strengths from a kata, even tho a kata isnt for fights.
im so sick of know it alls just shut tha fuk up u would get snapped by these guys end of story i dont videos of you on u tube beating these guys until then fuk off
Know many russian operators do you? Most SF spend the bulk of their time doing task specific training, i.e. hard skills they'll use in the field. H2H is a pretty low priority when you're a fit aggressive bloke carrying a long gun, short and knife. I don't know any russian operators but i'd imagine combat sambo and general mma style training is more what they do. I've trained in systema for a year as a younger man, but have since stopped drinking the cool aid.
K M is a good art but has no life to it its still the same as any art he punchs with A you counter with B systema works well and yes could say i tested it a bit
Yeah, and Spetznaz is Russias most hardcore elites! FFS Systema PWNS, just like Krav Maga...Im gonna start doin' KM and Systema, we'll se the result later on...
This is, without a doubt, one of the biggest wastes of time you could find. Aside from perhaps improving your flexibility. It's marginally less use than aikido for having an actual fight. Try it at 2am in a car-park and see how far it gets you...
type in "systema compilation" to the search bar thingy, and click the black and white looking video with a guy in a suit or guys in Russian cammies.... full speed, no joke, INSANE in the membrane...
At least go to one class of systema before saying that it doesn't work, "Prove it on the ring"?? Do you even know what you are saying?? Its not a sport, but I believe that if you are so curious about the "more realistic and not slow mo"...check the video Systema Sparring 2:50 and Systema fistfighting 1:32...these videos shows a little bit what systema is about in stand up fighting..and by the way..we spar with no mma gloves ..in the video they do but here in Russia is without gloves..hehehe
It makes me so mad that people cant understand the simple difference between combative martial arts / systems and sports... so one more time here we go, one is designed with rules to ensure the safety of both SPORT players, and one is designed so YOU are the one walking away from the altercation, and not your attacker, no rules no ref's no disqualifications,,,
It is in slow motion to prevent the breaking of bones, it is not used in the octagon beacause mma and self defence are diffrent things, it is effective in real life situations, this is why it has been so successfull for the Russian army, Krav maga is not used in the ring do you belive that is ineffective on the streets aswell?
ummm it slow motion fighting- totally unrealistic and completely untrainable for the average operator. If its so good, why not figh in the octagon. It doesn't work, people are flying through the air and attacking in slow motion like trained puppets. Sorry, I don't buy it. Prove it in the ring.
@ 2:53 Was the guy trying to hug him or something? I realise it's only a demonstration video, but come on! Set up some real situations instead of this gay bullshit.
I think this is really impressive. There is a video posted of Spetznaz doing this and it looks really good. It looks like its all based on ballance and energy.
i train freestyle and krav maga also tried keysi or k.f.m i would,nt dismiss this till i tried it for at least a few months the body movement looks intresting and fluid ,also ufc is a sport this isnt just like krav maga....
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These guys are pretty effective... but to me it seems unfortunate that their martial art relies on strength a lot. I can't picture a lil skinny dude using that on a bigger guy.
mate every body gaurd on this plannet uses principals and techniques from the russian systema system. minimum effort for max damage, every military fighting system works on the same principals. a hoologan fighter would be down and out in the first move, garanteed.
why is there not even one systema fighter represented in the ufc? if it is so easy to fight this bullshit way?
and no.. not all body gards train this stupid shit! for sure not! more like tony blauer and bob spour. its also not perfect, but much more effective.. period
Works very well, I've been learning it for a while and it's very effective in not only teaching you technique but much more of the psychology behind staying calm, relaxed and focusing to survive in a real situation.
Its been said many times over again on these systema videos. If you dont believe it works, go attend a class. From what i understand, you dont even have to make an appointment. If you still think its crap, then you have something to say. Too many people are looking from the outside in. When it come to martial arts, sometimes you have to look beyond what you perceive from watching a video. I thought then same thing about ninpo until i felt it. Gave up a hard earned black belt to train in ninpo.
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This Systema is shit, don't believe this video. If you like to study cool martial art, then choose Sambo, which is very effective in street fight situations. Proven by life. Systema is just someone's business project.
I have been training in Systema for only about 4 months now and I can assure you, this is not BS. Similar to many other martial disciplines, you train to use your assailants power against them and the physics of force dissipation & redirection are key. The training is almost military as you learn to overcome the natural aversion any sane individual has in striking and causing another human pain. This is developed in an environment of utmost respect for your training partner and yourself.
mate do u ever mix it up and do boxing and other stuff aswel
like im doing weights and bit of cardio to put on muscle and look good put looking at systema is good cos is works on defense which ties in with my ethos
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Only a complete moron would believe this made up bullshit. I can't believe that so many people are so gullible and would believe this complete nonsense. Actually this is a good way to get yourself killed. This should come with a warning label like "don't try this in a real fight or you will get killed."
almost all forms of military training in the world demand that you seize & control the weapon wielding limb prior to disarming. by not doing so, you're leaving yourself open to gunshot, stab wounds, etc.
Interesting footage and fighting technique, but there were too many flaws in the training. Not to mention, a lot of theoretical techniques and scenarios. There were so many times where the "victim" would've taken a dirt-nap if he were to use these counters in a violent real life situation.
you would think so because it doesnt look like he's really doing much, but there are just too many really subtle movements its almost impossible to catch that are used to turn a good move into a great move, and totally alter the other guy's momentum for your advantage.
there are some valuable things to be learned from this style. however, it seems to be making common mistakes that can be found in so many "reality-based" martial arts systems. as a trained fighter, I'm just asking all subsequent viewers to not fall victim to false assurance in controlled setting scenarios.
i agreed with you to the point where you say "step in" but there are no REAL system my friend.....every 1 has their own reality and REAL System. would be up to the teacher and the student.
haha who ever says this doesnt work, i train, the third pic at the begin is my coach,,,, ppl that are good at this will take u to the ground before u can say ur own name n u wont even kno wat happened
WHAT I'VE LEARNED FROM THIS VIDEO:
SHOOT FIRST, THEN ROB...
bigtruckseriesreview 6 days ago
Systema stands for Silly!
tapthis 1 month ago
chuck norris will beat this shit!!
allainskywalker1 3 months ago
i clicked on this becuase i was curious about two guys kissing
mitchellyoungable 3 months ago
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MARCO54378 6 months ago
WARNING! "Systema" AGAINST THAI BOXING and VALETUDO IS INEFFICIENT,
'CAUSE IT'S NOT TRAIN WITH REAL FIGHTS, ITS ALWAYS SIMPLE TRAINING
AND RALLENTY MOVES!! NOTHING OF CONCRETE AND APPLICABLE.
DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT "SYSTEMA " IS A GOOD DEFENCE? I DON'T THINK SO!
THE BEST DEFENSE ARE: THAI BOXING AND VALETUDO (MMA).
do not be fooled
VincenzoFlor 6 months ago
@VincenzoFlor Systema looks like it's meant to take down anyone that approaches you with a weapon. Sure, maybe against some martial arts master it's not effective, but against a thug with a knife it's a defense that will beat your enemy with less risk then normal martial arts.
Basically, it's for soldiers. You don't fight martial arts masters in war, you fight other soldiers with weapons. You need to be able to counter them quickly and effectively, no matter what weapon they have.
0dragonice0 6 months ago
@VincenzoFlor Didn't want to take more then one post, but I have something to add.
Those simple punches you see that aren't applicable and aren't concrete are actually accurate attacks of specific points on the body. They hit in the places it not only hurts, but places where it disables people.
It may not look like much, but that's the point. It's not showy, it's not entertaining. It drops the enemy in a second, that's all it needs to do. One punch to drop an enemy. Pretty effective.
0dragonice0 6 months ago
@0dragonice0 don't think so, you dont do a good training
VincenzoFlor 6 months ago
@VincenzoFlor Please, systema is a more realistic defense. Systema is meant to take down enemies with weapons like knives, guns, etc.
Systema isn't meant to fight thai boxing or valetudo, it's meant to fight soldiers or anyone below that without taking any hits or risks. Streek punks? No problem.
Your martial arts would be far better if you got attacked by ninjas, however.
0dragonice0 6 months ago 3
@VincenzoFlor And how long have you been training Systema?
I mean, without properly training anything, you can't really expect others to value your input on it, so I assume you have a minimum of one years experience.
I don't think you have ever seen Systema in real life, you should go visit a training place and ask to train with them, you'll be surprised.
Trenatos 5 months ago
@Trenatos IT'S OK YOUR REPLY, BUT WATCH THAT VIDEO!! IS PATHETIC: SLOW MOVES, SLOW TRAINING.... NOTHING THAT APPENS IN REAL LIFE. IN VALETUDO E THAI BOXE WE COMBAT WHILE WE TRAIN
VincenzoFlor 5 months ago
@VincenzoFlor That's part of the training.
The slow sparring is mimicking real life movements, and as you get better you also train much faster.
Another reason for the slow speed in the video is that they are demonstrating for the camera and other people.
I really suggest that you go visit some place where they train, they can better explain then I can.
Trenatos 5 months ago
@Trenatos there aren't videos where you trained with real fight, no one! its seems like Aikido!
VincenzoFlor 5 months ago
ражно! bullshit.
BYwrestler 7 months ago
i wish i could learn this skill i have achieved multiple black belts in martial arts such as aikedo karate tai boxing and kickboxing
wehrmacht95 8 months ago
@wehrmacht95 did't know each had multiple black belts, thought the only had one in each style :P
cheek1a2x1 7 months ago
@cheek1a2x1 thats what i meant sorry 4 the confusion
wehrmacht95 7 months ago
great system, terrible choice of music ha ha i mean, come on......snap?
arkim44 9 months ago
the tumbnail looked wrong
EPICCCP 9 months ago 12
@EPICCCP You say that? XD IT looked way to wrong! XD HAHAAHA
lillskiten1337 5 months ago
I don't know anything about martial arts, but I'm going to take a guess here: 5:00 - There is a weak, sensitive spot, between the muscles, that's just below the sternum. Is that where the shot is being delivered?
carlsetzer 10 months ago
@carlsetzer Is the same spot that causes certain chest anomalies, idk it feels like a really weird burn and sometimes like a chest ache. So I am going to guess as well that it is a sensitive spot. Actually I have a ab muscles, yet I feel like my finger can go in a bit. Oo It takes years of research and combat to find all these spots I bet.
Raziel354 10 months ago
@Raziel354 its called the solar plexus and its where the diaphragm seals the lower organs from the lungs to maintain the pressure difference that allows lungs to expand and deflate. hitting it causes the lung pressure to change rapidly and forces all the air out of the lungs.
theoriginalmyky 8 months ago
@theoriginalmyky :O!!!! Well at least I know the name now. xd thx
Raziel354 8 months ago
@carlsetzer its called called the solar plexus and its where the diaphragm seals the lower organs from the lungs to maintain the pressure difference that allows lungs to expand and deflate. hitting it causes the lung pressure to change rapidly and forces all the air out of the lungs.
theoriginalmyky 8 months ago
@theoriginalmyky: Sounds plausible, like getting the wind knocked out. It's hard to see, but it looks like the blow deliverer is getting a knuckle or a thumb in there. If anything it looks painful.
carlsetzer 7 months ago
4:45 Imagine what that bar must be like at Happy hour. In Soviet Russia, fighting system learns YOU!
qwertyuiop298 10 months ago
From what I have seen different units train completely different arts. The majority use some form of combat sambo, some ROSS and others Kadochnikov systema. I have never seen any real evidence of Ryabko systema being taught formally however I have met a number of serving spetz guys who train with him. They all seem pretty convinced he is genuine. A couple of these guys learnt kadochnikov systema in spetz before training with Ryabko in their own time.
RMANW 10 months ago
This was created by SPETSNAZ guys but it isn't what they officially do, they do SAMBO> It's a gimmick.
scnarb 10 months ago
@scnarb u knida have a point sir.....Cossacks have their own system which they train spetsnaz troops in...Most VDV use combat sambo and Karate....GRU rukopanshi boi or Kadochnikov style by Alersky Kadochinkov ...this is most certaily used to Train elite Spetsnaz Troops..MVD use ROSS....Ryabko systema?never seen a clip of ryabko systema being taught to Spetsnaz Troops only Kadochinkov Style..BUT yuh got to admit Vladimir got real skill....btw Konstatin was from GRU and romours say Leart K-systema
Trinieffects 10 months ago
@Trinieffects
Exactly. But yes Ryabko's Systema is certainly intriguing and I'm sure Vladimir can handle himself well.
scnarb 10 months ago
Systema is Russian Aikido. It seems to stem from similar spiritual principles, but is also based on sound mechanics of fluidity and internal power.
shihonage 11 months ago
my experience has been the weirder it seems , and from the least likely source, the more it works. strange , old, and out of shape guys tend to throw the worst beatings and hurt locks. but i guess thats part of it, you overlook them and boom! your wondering what just happened...
MrByaeger 11 months ago
lol what a crock of shit
1FuckedUpBebeGringo 1 year ago
I am from St. Lucia
geeryukarate 1 year ago
Wish systema was in the Caribbean I would study it
geeryukarate 1 year ago
@geeryukarate what country are you from man? im form trinidad.check out my vids on Soviet Military system:handgun techniques. i practise both systemas, kadochnikov style and vasiliev systema.i use to do krav maga.i know some ross and combat sambo and the usual shotokan and aikido bbj etc had 1 year in these three
Trinieffects 1 year ago
@Trinieffects Krav Maga and the systemas: How do they compare?
qwertyuiop298 10 months ago
@qwertyuiop298 well the Krav i used to Practise was commando krav maga for a while.... CKM was created by moni aizik but he turned out to be a fraud....IT closely Resembls Marine Corps Martial Art Programs and imo the techniques are very valid......It fast and brutal imo but only effective for one opponent..very technique based.....but systema gun and knife defence is much better
Trinieffects 10 months ago
i have experienced this myself, there is nothing fake about this video this fat guy would kick all of ur asses
Wurst360 1 year ago
"We could spend a lot of time describing and explaining some kind of good fruit, but if you never taste it, you won't get the benefits of having it." - Vladimir Vasiliev
TheNickhis 1 year ago 4
@BushidoBudo9000: Apparently comments on a mobile device sucks. The point is that if you train with a compliant opponent you will expect a real opponent in reality to act the same way. along with the too deadly to spar argument makes the entire system suspect.
albinocaveslug 1 year ago
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albinocaveslug 1 year ago
To all the haters , i have recently started learning systema and it is insanely good, you may be thinking ofcourse my oppinion may not be a credential, but I dare you to visit a systema seminar and leave without a changed oppinion.
This vid is ofcourse designed for mere examples so it does seem staged to some extent , but if you seem them in a real fight its over in about 3 seconds.
broskies1 1 year ago
lol
zawias5 1 year ago
5:01
AndresMAGEdudeOK 1 year ago
Whenever something is made to look so easy...it usually is giving a false impression. With a good deal of BJJ experience and military experience (in a combat MOS) i can tell you these moves will rarely if ever be effective against a live opponent. And i'm sure if you where to ask as spetsnaz about hand to hand he would tell you what every military man would tell you: use high % moves, not showy crap.
corndawgz88 1 year ago
@corndawgz88
this is big bull shit of systema in this video this is not real work
all this is only traning for mind and body real work is not here
and this guy in this video really sucks trust me
here take a look on this one
watch?v=1oScPeYRPsw
InfiniteHR 1 year ago
Qualities you acquire with systema are the same that in every other martial arts.
Breathing, reaction, anticipation, accurate moves, timing etc.
The differences are in the way you train, with a pragmatic issue, while in other martial arts, the philosophical aspect has a greater part of the training. The "fat" man is clearly a great martial artist.
maotzetof 1 year ago
and we make no secret that our system is collected from various martial arts, gave up all the excess, hooked physics and anatomy ... and they were invented specifically for special forces ... And here is our product ... nothing more ... no guru worship the masters ... no unnecessary movements ... Greetings from Russia
sportik109 1 year ago
HE REALLY SUCKS OMG
InfiniteHR 1 year ago
omg how much this guy sucks at 0:43
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SIMONSEMTEX 1 year ago
I'd like to see a systema master challenging a MMA fighter or any other martial arts champion just for making sure its not bullshit... but anyway systema is impressive!
SIMONSEMTEX 1 year ago
that guy from 1:42 to 2:53 he really sucks
InfiniteHR 1 year ago
wicked 53 seconds me getting bashed by russian minister lol
DJpeterp 1 year ago
Great form, man.
Wizard0fAtlantis 1 year ago
know what - not bothered what sort of music they have over the vid... not bothered if the instructor wears camo or a Gi.... hell I'm not even concerned that there seems to be be much 'passive aggressive' would be attackers on this video.
My only real question is this:
Why is it so hard to find footage of these techniques working in a 'real world' situation?
Drills are fine and they are useful for developing muscle memory and so on... but they are still with some compliance.
scopeophile 1 year ago
@scopeophile, you might be mistaking the ability to withstand/minimize damage with compliance. Learning how to actually take blows, leverages, etc, is based on relaxation, body wholeness and "going with the flow". This isn't compliance, as I think you are intending it.
If you want a video of no compliance, as you mean it, it would be an actual out-to-damage-you fight, and it would end up that way because the other guy doesn't know how to take it. If he did, he would be more "compliant".
Wizard0fAtlantis 1 year ago
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i'm telling u this is complete bullshit what they doing...i've tried it its useless against boxing or wrestling
MrStechkin 1 year ago
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i'm telling u this is complete bullshit what they doing...i've tried it its useless against boxing or wrestling
MrStechkin 1 year ago
i'm telling u this is complete bullshit what they doing...i've tried it its useless against boxing or wrestling
MrStechkin 1 year ago
@MrStechkin Systems is useful against boxing, remeber, a kick in the shin then putting your palm over their eyes and make a headlock is quite effective
weijin1 1 year ago
@weijin1 Yes mate no doubt its effective if I for example stay still while the guy will do all that moves on me...russians like praising everything whats theirs the best, i am from russia myself and studied what they call systema in army,russians only gave their name to nature's rules,i personally prefer APS - automatic pistol of Stechkin.
MrStechkin 1 year ago
@MrStechkin because you are retard
dane991 1 year ago
@dane991 fuck off twat
MrStechkin 1 year ago
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MrStechkin 1 year ago
And I really don't care whether Systema is a 100,000 years old or was invented last Tuesday ...!
It's mostly very simple & effective body mechanics (SP?), really anybody can figure it out by just thinking about it. That's why it's good for the army - simple and effective, comparable easy to learn.
It just isn't a competition sport or a rigid traditional MA - ppl seem to have a problem understanding that.
fenriz218 1 year ago
For all the cyber-warriors who claim Systema is BS - it's really very easy:
go to a Systema school - there's plenty around and the schools usually love visitors.
Bring along a little camera, play with the guys and girls and then post the video under "How I beat the s**t outta the systema guys".
I haven't seen too many of those videos - in fact, havn't seen any ... ;)
fenriz218 1 year ago
StrengthFrom you need to go study history, Mikhail 'Porky' etc invented Systema, basically pure BS designed to con & fleece very gullible Americans & Europeans out of money, in that respect it works. Systema has NOT been around since the 10 th Century absolute nonsense, there were martial arts in Russia for centuries , modern Systema is taken from diff. arts + hefty dose of BS from 'Porky'. 100% of people that believe in Systema as effective self defence = 100% of people clueless on selfdefence!
raswakeup 1 year ago
raswakeup.
you ever punched "porky"?
or how about Vlad? I have. or I tried it, and got schooled.
if you are truly interested in what you are capable of martially, and not just win some ego sport game, you owe it to yourself to go check systema out.
Cause these guys are major badass fighting guys and truly relaxed and compassionate humans. a truly rare and beautiful combination.
and you could use a little of that compassion, my friend.
be well
richardshapiroII 1 year ago
akimko123 how many times were you dropped on your head as a child?
MrFreeman420 1 year ago
Why go this guy not fighting in Ring... he is good !!! yes i see this ....he will see... what is a real fight ... brasilian figthers ,,, fedor ,, brock,, kimbo,, buss.. this is not fighting street....this ma n is very shympatik.... but not a stret fighter... nice guy with his vision to help people without figthing experience akimo love all figthers ever... my idol Fedor
akimko123 2 years ago
Don't mean to sound synical but to me some of the guys just seem to be falling over at the first touch...LAME!...I reckon someone who uses Krav Maga would own a Systema fighter in a street fight
TheTheriddler23 2 years ago
For the purposes of demonstration, would it make sense to go all out and severely hurt someone? Demonstrating to a class and executing in the street are two different things
publikenemy187 2 years ago 3
excellente video qui donne envie que des clubs s ouvre un peu plus en France
lemuth68 2 years ago
Not sure if Systema being used by Spetnaz is a myth or not. Systema is a modern invention not hundreds of years old as they claim. Sure Russian martial arts existed for long time, but they were not Systema. Systema people like Mikhail invented a lot of it, & compiled other stuff from different arts. The main aim of the invention of modern Systema was to fleece very gullible Americans & Europeans keen to learn the deadly Rusian arts that Special Forces use.
TheCoreValues 2 years ago
@TheCoreValues Watched a documentary on Discovery about the Spetznatz against the green berets. The Spetnatz dude said that they used systema. And they kicked the GB's asses!!!!!!!!!
drewy232 1 year ago
@TheCoreValues it has been around since the 10th century.
StrengthFromAbove83 1 year ago
@TheCoreValues,
if it worked for spetsnaz, i'm sure it would work on the street. spetsnaz werent beginners you know^^
childrenofbodomfan74 2 years ago
people seriously believe this stuff works in the street? quite ridiculous, Sytema is a modern art (not a secret art thats been around centuries) designed to fleece gullible Americans & Europeans out of money.
TheCoreValues 2 years ago
Systema is actually the art that they teach the Spetsnaz special forces.
potofalex 2 years ago
que haces si viene bruce lee y 7 enanos con cuchillo? eh? jaja, que preguntas y comparaciones ridiculas.
No existe el mejor arte marcial, existe el mejor luchador.
doverzen 2 years ago
AMERICA!!!! FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!! RULES!!!!!! so estoy deacuredo cok guzel tebrikler UR FACES !! lol jk russia dominates!!!!
BROS919 2 years ago
çok güzel tebrıkler
uzunsukru61 2 years ago
wheres the school/dojo
vcshort1 2 years ago
estoy deacuerdo.
juliotool 2 years ago
I train in Krav Maga but I'm also interest in Systema, Keysi and Kali. Hope to try my hand in all of these one day.
By the way, cannot help but laugh at the tough e-warriors who diss one system in favor of another, this seems to be a constant case with MMA fans, unfortunately
FractalBolt 2 years ago 31
i love how the toughest guy looks like a fat blob!
ballm0use 2 years ago 4
Unfortunately what most of them don't know is trapping is difficult with gloves, but not street fighting. So street fighting and MMA are two very different worlds. Not to mention wrestling is a bad idea when other people might join the fight. Wing Chun, not to get into different styles but as an example, is great at demonstrating how effective trapping can be. I study Jeet Kune Do, Wing Chun, Kali, Kadochnikov Systema, Krav Maga. Never heard of Keysi! What can you tell me about it?
odin2358 2 years ago
@FractalBolt Those UFC Wannabe's don't know what they're talking about until they have trained in a Systema class or any other form of self defense, not sport martial arts. Systema has been proven in combat, it is used by the modern russian special forces Spetsnaz, the former KGB, and now the FSB, the people who make fun of Systema have just seen videos on the internet and no nothing about the actual martial art.
potofalex 1 year ago
@FractalBolt Umm it's been a year...did you move into Systema? And if you did, could you tell me how it compares to Krav Maga?
qwertyuiop298 10 months ago
@FractalBolt As you say the "constant case of MMA fans", they will always be fans and never a true martial artists.
cheek1a2x1 7 months ago
yo entreno Krav Maga, pero me e dado cuenta que este siystema es el mas efectivo del mundo.. nada se le compara. ni BJJ, mma o sambo. talves el Krav Maga pero es mas rustico. no es tan evolucionado como este.el BJJ es para 1 oponente al igual que el sambo y no digamos mma ya que estas son mas deportivas, no son de defensa personal, ante muchos oponentes, sircunstancias y esenarios. pregunta? que haria un peliador de mma si lo atacaran dentro de un carro???o dentro de 3 o 4 ?? piensenlo??
juliotool 2 years ago
La efectividad del Krav Maga está en la rapidez de si aprendisaje, cualquiera puede aprenderlo sin previo entrenamiento en artes marciales o experiencia callejera. Systema requiere de mucha coordinacion que mucha gente no tiene. Para el que es ducho en la pelea, Systema es muy bueno, pero para los que no, Krav Maga es la mejor opción.
FractalBolt 2 years ago
The guy at .57 must have super powers. The guy fell over without being hit. :P
shapedthought 2 years ago
Nej. sebeobrana....
xvasikp 2 years ago
Whoa, is youtube censoring now? FUCK. Did that show up?
Otacon237 2 years ago
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systema is bullshit, a bunch of fat con bastards just trying to make a buck
eb352mm 2 years ago
Come on, a formerly secretive martial arts system made by one of the best special elite units in the world, spetsnaz, does an art called systema, and you people out there are arrogant enough to say thats bullshit?
I'd like to see some of you haters out there go into combat against a spetsnaz/ GRU elite. You will die.
BushidoBudo9000 2 years ago 41
^^ Very true
1pete51 2 years ago 4
Only a total idiot would proclaim any martial art as invincible. Different sytles suit different situations but this stuff it seems is only effective on people who flop on the floor after being hit once. I'd like to see one of these guys against a Krav Maga, BJJ, MMA or Sambo fighter. Spaz
shapedthought 2 years ago
@BushidoBudo9000
A short list of problems with this video...
0:44. Compliance. Tickling doesn't do that.
0:57. Compliance. Dude throws himself around.
1:06. Compliance. Some attempt to regain a stable base would be nice.
1:14. Interesting kick defense. But only likely to work with extremely telegraphed attack.
1:29. Seriously?
1:44. That knife disarm will get you killed.
2:07. Compliance.
2:12. Interesting scissor takedown. That one might work without the excessive COMPLIANCE. See a theme here?
albinocaveslug 1 year ago
@albinocaveslug I dont disagree with any of these factors. It is true that the "attackers" in this video also move like a Systema dude, very loose and also complient. But the key things are, these guys have such fluidity of motion as second nature and such good footwork that even in a real situation they can remain loose and agile, which is the most important thing. Its all about adjusting and applying to how you train. Kinda like drawing strengths from a kata, even tho a kata isnt for fights.
BushidoBudo9000 1 year ago
@BushidoBudo9000 Oh yeah. If he says it, it MUST be true.
patrickhenrysghost 8 months ago
show respect to other martial arts
chillione87 2 years ago
soviets..
RemyISnow 2 years ago
I went to at least one of the seminars of this video.
I give it my vote as real inspirational training from proper hard geezers.
I was there forming my opinion rather than just watching a wee video.
maskerovka 2 years ago 2
its all choreographed, just like britney spears,
eb352mm 2 years ago
its a bunch of bullshit, russians are notorious for marketing bullshit.
eb352mm 2 years ago
im so sick of know it alls just shut tha fuk up u would get snapped by these guys end of story i dont videos of you on u tube beating these guys until then fuk off
fkngtwat 2 years ago
agreed
fuckwit94 2 years ago 2
agreed x2
cobhcmofo313 2 years ago
Beautiful!!!:-D
Illium75 2 years ago
Know many russian operators do you? Most SF spend the bulk of their time doing task specific training, i.e. hard skills they'll use in the field. H2H is a pretty low priority when you're a fit aggressive bloke carrying a long gun, short and knife. I don't know any russian operators but i'd imagine combat sambo and general mma style training is more what they do. I've trained in systema for a year as a younger man, but have since stopped drinking the cool aid.
WhoisBadgerNo1 2 years ago
mate it works just fine even BETTER than mma
madanimal01 2 years ago 2
mma was never meant for warzone combats. it's a sport specific discipline. anyways, systema is full of shit. check out krav maga instead
krimsoneyez 2 years ago
K M is a good art but has no life to it its still the same as any art he punchs with A you counter with B systema works well and yes could say i tested it a bit
madanimal01 2 years ago 2
True most of Russia's operartors use combat sambo and general MMA. Russia's Spetsnaz is the only group specifically trained in Systema .
brian09037 2 years ago
@brian09037 '
Yeah, and Spetznaz is Russias most hardcore elites! FFS Systema PWNS, just like Krav Maga...Im gonna start doin' KM and Systema, we'll se the result later on...
QFizzV8Fizz 2 years ago
This is, without a doubt, one of the biggest wastes of time you could find. Aside from perhaps improving your flexibility. It's marginally less use than aikido for having an actual fight. Try it at 2am in a car-park and see how far it gets you...
WhoisBadgerNo1 2 years ago
Well,, you are strong man WhoisBadgerNo1.Please dont scare us.
celebratingfantasy 2 years ago
wow you must be a fucking fighting pro, no one really asked what you thought
fuckwit94 2 years ago
wow this looks awesome
personally i prefer krav maga as its not nearly as tenichal (grabs) as this and my style is more stricking than grabs
MattRooney06 2 years ago
what gay music
DragonnSlayerr 3 years ago
Where can I see footage of Systema used in a full-speed sparring match or fight?
blajing 3 years ago 3
type in "systema compilation" to the search bar thingy, and click the black and white looking video with a guy in a suit or guys in Russian cammies.... full speed, no joke, INSANE in the membrane...
StrengthFromAbove83 3 years ago
At least go to one class of systema before saying that it doesn't work, "Prove it on the ring"?? Do you even know what you are saying?? Its not a sport, but I believe that if you are so curious about the "more realistic and not slow mo"...check the video Systema Sparring 2:50 and Systema fistfighting 1:32...these videos shows a little bit what systema is about in stand up fighting..and by the way..we spar with no mma gloves ..in the video they do but here in Russia is without gloves..hehehe
BaronVonsFuden 3 years ago
i met a few systema guys b4 the technique does work n is impressive its just that the ability to make it work is debatable
SoundwaveSuperior373 3 years ago
It makes me so mad that people cant understand the simple difference between combative martial arts / systems and sports... so one more time here we go, one is designed with rules to ensure the safety of both SPORT players, and one is designed so YOU are the one walking away from the altercation, and not your attacker, no rules no ref's no disqualifications,,,
Dubmat44 3 years ago
I agree, I even went as far as no longer useing the term "Martial Arts" , instead we I use "Martial Reality" or "Martial Realist."
kastle1972 3 years ago
It is in slow motion to prevent the breaking of bones, it is not used in the octagon beacause mma and self defence are diffrent things, it is effective in real life situations, this is why it has been so successfull for the Russian army, Krav maga is not used in the ring do you belive that is ineffective on the streets aswell?
cardiffwelshman 3 years ago
ummm it slow motion fighting- totally unrealistic and completely untrainable for the average operator. If its so good, why not figh in the octagon. It doesn't work, people are flying through the air and attacking in slow motion like trained puppets. Sorry, I don't buy it. Prove it in the ring.
peacedog2000 3 years ago
My friend, this superceeds impracticality haha. Only a small percentage of Spetsnaz train in this bullshido, Vladimir accentuates this himself.
dmitrikonovich123 3 years ago
@ 2:53 Was the guy trying to hug him or something? I realise it's only a demonstration video, but come on! Set up some real situations instead of this gay bullshit.
Smalltalker20 3 years ago
I think this is really impressive. There is a video posted of Spetznaz doing this and it looks really good. It looks like its all based on ballance and energy.
zama202bc 3 years ago
i train freestyle and krav maga also tried keysi or k.f.m i would,nt dismiss this till i tried it for at least a few months the body movement looks intresting and fluid ,also ufc is a sport this isnt just like krav maga....
fergal1980 3 years ago
It would be good to this used in a real full motion fight.
HRTuffNStuff 3 years ago
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I couldn't even watch the whole video. It's an insult to serious fighters everywhere.
SHDJEN 3 years ago
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These guys are pretty effective... but to me it seems unfortunate that their martial art relies on strength a lot. I can't picture a lil skinny dude using that on a bigger guy.
TKDmaster720 3 years ago
i like to see this b..shit happen against a experienced HOOLIGAN fighter.... knighty night i think
samurai184 3 years ago
mate every body gaurd on this plannet uses principals and techniques from the russian systema system. minimum effort for max damage, every military fighting system works on the same principals. a hoologan fighter would be down and out in the first move, garanteed.
leonthalion 3 years ago 2
why is there not even one systema fighter represented in the ufc? if it is so easy to fight this bullshit way?
and no.. not all body gards train this stupid shit! for sure not! more like tony blauer and bob spour. its also not perfect, but much more effective.. period
samurai184 3 years ago
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this shit dosnt work.
mjmorpheus 3 years ago
Works very well, I've been learning it for a while and it's very effective in not only teaching you technique but much more of the psychology behind staying calm, relaxed and focusing to survive in a real situation.
FallenPasha 3 years ago 6
lol, like to see you to duke it with one of them. easy to say that sitting behind you computer.
leonthalion 3 years ago
please give me one of the fighters of this movie.. please you can choose wich one
samurai184 3 years ago
??? what ru talking about??
leonthalion 3 years ago
You should look up systema europe and see how that turns out for u. Look for the guy with the dark hair thats on cover of vid bro. Good luck!
snakeboy1991 3 years ago
maby we can meet? than we can talk.. for sure i will come! i like to you maby not from holland??? i hope so
samurai184 3 years ago
umm, right. you want to meet?? why would that be, and no unfortunately i do not live in holland.
leonthalion 3 years ago
where can i learn this style
mzshortness 3 years ago
where can i learn this style
mzshortness 3 years ago
eu acho q essa porra naum funciona...
saulocatharino 3 years ago
yummy sexy Russian men killn with style mmmmmm
i need ta order me one of those
meancookie89 3 years ago
Its been said many times over again on these systema videos. If you dont believe it works, go attend a class. From what i understand, you dont even have to make an appointment. If you still think its crap, then you have something to say. Too many people are looking from the outside in. When it come to martial arts, sometimes you have to look beyond what you perceive from watching a video. I thought then same thing about ninpo until i felt it. Gave up a hard earned black belt to train in ninpo.
turk775 4 years ago 4
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This Systema is shit, don't believe this video. If you like to study cool martial art, then choose Sambo, which is very effective in street fight situations. Proven by life. Systema is just someone's business project.
LisiyNos 4 years ago
rightly so... sistema is spetsnaz's business project...haha.
svejksoldjer 4 years ago 2
SAMBO???
is it the brother of Samba ?
does also have nice mulatas dancing???
maddafakkka 4 years ago
I have been training in Systema for only about 4 months now and I can assure you, this is not BS. Similar to many other martial disciplines, you train to use your assailants power against them and the physics of force dissipation & redirection are key. The training is almost military as you learn to overcome the natural aversion any sane individual has in striking and causing another human pain. This is developed in an environment of utmost respect for your training partner and yourself.
hyperpsyched 4 years ago
mate do u ever mix it up and do boxing and other stuff aswel
like im doing weights and bit of cardio to put on muscle and look good put looking at systema is good cos is works on defense which ties in with my ethos
bandamardu 4 years ago
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Only a complete moron would believe this made up bullshit. I can't believe that so many people are so gullible and would believe this complete nonsense. Actually this is a good way to get yourself killed. This should come with a warning label like "don't try this in a real fight or you will get killed."
chairde 4 years ago
a bit like aikido, but not aikido.. hmm, interesting
hambamaya 4 years ago
wow, russians are crazy,
no wonder they are so awesome
toshiba009 4 years ago
almost all forms of military training in the world demand that you seize & control the weapon wielding limb prior to disarming. by not doing so, you're leaving yourself open to gunshot, stab wounds, etc.
bigredgt 4 years ago
Interesting footage and fighting technique, but there were too many flaws in the training. Not to mention, a lot of theoretical techniques and scenarios. There were so many times where the "victim" would've taken a dirt-nap if he were to use these counters in a violent real life situation.
bigredgt 4 years ago
you would think so because it doesnt look like he's really doing much, but there are just too many really subtle movements its almost impossible to catch that are used to turn a good move into a great move, and totally alter the other guy's momentum for your advantage.
jROC5000 4 years ago 2
there are some valuable things to be learned from this style. however, it seems to be making common mistakes that can be found in so many "reality-based" martial arts systems. as a trained fighter, I'm just asking all subsequent viewers to not fall victim to false assurance in controlled setting scenarios.
bigredgt 4 years ago
that guy is lke a goddamned ox!
IamGuitars 4 years ago
i agreed with you to the point where you say "step in" but there are no REAL system my friend.....every 1 has their own reality and REAL System. would be up to the teacher and the student.
God bles you all
shijanre 4 years ago
where can One learn this stuff? I live in michigan, are there like dojos or something or is it strictly military shit?
ananymous48 4 years ago
haha who ever says this doesnt work, i train, the third pic at the begin is my coach,,,, ppl that are good at this will take u to the ground before u can say ur own name n u wont even kno wat happened
KillafoREAL 4 years ago
who knows???? some one, out there, is better than what you think.
God bless you
shijanre 4 years ago
бред какой то....в реальной жизни хотелось бы посомтреть как он повторил бы
Nimatula 4 years ago