I've watched the House of Numbers. YES: I believe the gov needed a new cash cow. BUT: No matter whre or hw it originated, HIV/AIDS is REAL & kills millions evry yr, meds or nt. TRU: developed vs undeveloped countries' tests/criteria r dif. YES: I believe majority of thse n Africa r dy'n more frm extreme poverty. BUT: Here n the US & other developed countries I hve seen & cont 2 see the progression n thse tk'n meds vs thse who dn't. (2 b con't)
No one is going to like this but you are most likely correct. I think it was "House Of Numbers" that did it for me. When started checking it for myself I realized this was complete bullshit even the test to test for HIV is false since there is no test that can prove you even have HIV, since the test don't test for HIV the test for the antibodies but the funny part is you can have quote unquote HIV antibodies and not have HIV <_< its sad but everyone once again is being bullshited
What people die from in Africa are the usual principal diseases there, like malaria, which is the perennial scourge there. If you study the causes of death closely, you will find people dying from malaria, specifically. And then, because people are getting sick, period, they're calling it "AIDS".
@PolitcalIslam You're missing the essential subtlety of the point I've been trying to make here, all along:
No virus -- retro or otherwise -- has ever been isolated that has actually been shown through the actual process of actual science itself, to cause human immunodeficiency. That means that there has never been any reason all along to even label anything "HIV", because that stands for "human immunodeficiency virus".
In other words, no "HIV" has ever been truly shown to cause death.
And, in fact, Peter Duesberg does in fact say that a retrovirus HAS in fact been isolated, but that nothing has ever shown, by the precise and accepted standards of science, that it causes AIDS. Hence, calling it a "human immunodeficiency virus" has been dishonest and wrong from the very beginning. Therefore, calling it "HIV" has been misleading and false.
THAT is the whole point here: so much of this disease has been a slick word game all along.
You know whats great, You can believe whatever you want, but the reality of the thing does not give a flying fuck as to anyones beliefs. You guys seem to have a wonderful conspiracy circle jerk going on here so I wont spoil it further.
You're absolutely right -- real truth doesn't give a rat's ass about what conceited humans insist to be true. But only time will tell who's really conspiring here.
If I posted a 3 minute rant about how evolution was a "fucking hoax" based entirely on my theory that biologists are corrupt and they only come up the evidence they do because they are terrified of not conforming and losing their funding...
...would you think I was a nutter?
...even if I posted a link to Creation Ministries International?
HIV is a hoax? Best tell all those Africans that have passed HIV on to each other and their children through birth and tell them they are dying for no reason....sweet jeeberz
Oh, come on... I'm not insane -- nobody dies "for no reason". There's always a reason. I'm not saying there's "no reason".
What I'm saying is that they're not dying because of the reason of the so-called "HIV". I'm saying (and so are many, many others now) that they're actually dying from the typical diseases of the region that are endemic to the reason, such as malaria. But now the world HIV junta is calling the contraction of all the normal major diseases "AIDS", which is new jargon.
Look... if you really want to be fully informed on this thing -- on both sides of the issue -- you really should go over to virusmyth [dawt] net, and check out the articles and videos there. These are not new age wackos blathering on about alien conspiracies -- these are Nobel prize-winning researchers denouncing the whole damn paradigm of "HIV".
@emulsionsideup I just saw this post, awaiting approval. And I'm glad I saw it, because I need to directly nip this one thing in the bud, right here and right now:
The problem is that Peter Duesberg continues to use the term "HIV" to describe the retrovirus that is present, when THAT term ITSELF is what undermines him, as it is an abbreviation for "human IMMUNODEFICIENCY virus".
Instead, Duesberg needs to use a different term, like "HRV" (human retro-virus) to describe what's been isolated.
"The evidence presented against the existence of HIV was really naive, to say the least. Almost embarrassing. And that wasn't just my impression. That's what one of the organizers, Dr. Roberto Giraldo, said. That's what Kary Mullis said, and that's what David Rasnick said. I would have no problems saying HIV doesn't exist if the evidence for that would be halfway convincing. But I'm afraid that's not so." _Duesberg again.
You show me where you got that from, so I can verify for myself that you didn't just make it up. And considering that you posted it in quotes and it's a very long quote, I'm assuming that you copied and pasted it from somewhere, rather than having kept it perfectly memorized in your head all this time.
@TheLogicJunkie I copied the quote from the website you linked (virusmyth).
The article is called "INTERVIEW PETER DUESBERG HIV Is Real, But Harmless" By Mark Gabrish Conlan 1998. It was published on the virusmyth website you directed us to.
Try putting the quote in a Google search box - including the quote marks. It will bring up the relevant web page. If that doesn't work, try putting the first eleven words (in quotations) in your search engine. If you still can't find it, then PM me.
@emulsionsideup Okay. I just read that article you told me about, and what Duesberg is saying there is that he believes that there may very well be a retrovirus, BUT that describing its FUNCTIONALITY as specifically a HUMAN IMMUNODEFICIENCY virus is what's not proven.
What Duesberg was deriding was the presentation of STEFAN LANKA, who is saying that not only does a retrovirus not cause AIDS, but that NO RETROVIRUS EVEN EXISTS. Duesberg does concede that retroviruses are fairly normal.
This has basically been MY point all along, and I've said it in my videos and in my book over and over again -- that calling a given retrovirus a "human immunodeficiency" virus is the hoax. THAT is the real problem... IRRESPECTIVE of whether some retrovirus actually exists and perhaps is even transmitted or not.
This position may sound radical, but it's based upon something very variant that Duesberg and others have been saying: that retroviruses may actually exist ubiquitously AND even...
...AND even be a normal, routine, and even benign (and perhaps even integral) part of cellular biochemical metabolism.
THIS is the idea that people are not implicitly operating on, because only some people on the very cutting edge have even been seriously considering it as a very real possibility. What people are operating on is the idea that RETROVIRUSES MUST CAUSE DISEASE. And it is THAT common shibboleth that is what's causing people's minds to freeze up and crash about all this.
1. "HIV is real, but it doesn't cause AIDS" - Duesberg, Mullis, etc, and
2. "HIV has not been shown to exist" (but if it did exist then the evidence is overwhelming that it would be the cause of AIDS) - Perth Group.
Both dissident positions are not only rejected by almost every scientist or physician with actual laboratory or clinical experience with HIV/AIDS - each position is logically incompatible with the other.
@emulsionsideup Okay, here we go... again. So let me edit and repost what you just posted:
1. "'HIV' is wrongly named, but so far only actually exists as an 'HRV' (human retrovirus), and not necessarily one that causes an immunodeficiency syndrome" - Duesberg, Mullis, etc., and
2. "Not even an HRV has been shown to exist AT ALL, that could then even qualify to be an 'HIV'" (and all that stuff you posted about it then being "overwhelming" to cause AIDS, is dodgy).
Finally, you have yet again slyly fulfilled the "HIV" jihadist role of he-who-slips-in-the-logical-fraud-that-consensus-equals-validity by restating the party line that the dissenters are "infidels" who are wrong MERELY BECAUSE THEY DISAGREE AND ARE IN THE MINORITY.
What has happened to real science? People like YOU have happened to real science. You have infiltrated and hijacked the field and turned it into a jargonizing priesthood that wields mob conformity. It's no longer science.
Also, by deliberately and tactically misrepresenting the actual stances of these dissenters, you strive to falsely establish a popular conception of their "illogic". The truth is, however, that at least people like Duesberg AND Mullis have displayed the integrity of character to examine Stefan Lanka's evidence and position, and say, "We're sorry, but that's going too far -- it's fraudulent to say that not even retroviruses are being found".
You're just not being truthful -- you have an agenda.
Now, I don't know if Stefan Lanka is actually saying what you've claimed he's saying, that "If, indeed, HIV were found to exist, that it would DEFINITELY CAUSE AIDS", because I didn't notice him saying that at all in what I read -- and with your track record of tactically dropping context in order to serve your establishment agenda, I'm not going to take your word for any of that, but I will read whatever he has actually said, if only you show me a link to it.
I'm just pointing out that there are at least two mutually contradictory "dissident" positions, and that you have wrongly ascribed a position to Kary Mullis that he doesn't hold. He is reported by Duesberg to have described your position (see 0.40) as "really naive, to say the least. Almost embarrassing."
Like almost everyone I disagree with Mullis about whether HIV causes AIDS, but can we at least agree to quote his views accurately?
@emulsionsideup No, no, no, damn it, no... You are NOT telling the truth about my position.
I have always stated my position as being that "no retrovirus has ever been isolated that ALSO has been shown to cause AIDS". In other words, that BOTH arguments are true -- because they are NOT. I have always made that statement.
My position has always been that "HIV" does not exist, because whatever may be isolated has NEVER been shown to actually be a "human IMMUNODEFICIENCY virus".
Therefore, my position is absolutely NOT laughable -- because it is EXACTLY the same position as Duesberg AND Mullis both hold. It is YOU who fail to understand what is being said here.
Now, part of that is because people like Duesberg have inattentively continued to use the establishment term "HIV" when it's a false descriptor acronym. I do believe that continuing to concede to using that term is a big reason for the dissident stance perhaps seeming to be "delusional" or something.
@TheLogicJunkie Leaving aside the question of whether HIV causes AIDS, does the retrovirus that the scientific community calls "HIV" exist or not? Because in your video you said:
0:32 “… but, umm you know it’s worse even than this video suggests in this little show of hers because these people weren’t just misdiagnosed – they were misdiagnosed with a virus that does not even exist.”
Duesberg and Mullis have made their views on this question very clear. What's yours?
associating global warming with aids is dangerous. the number one problem that exists with aids and the whole field of virology and pharma is that there are plenty of crackpot conspiracy theorists to ensure real science that counters the mainstream ethos is marginalized along with the global warming deniailists and general conspriracy nuts.
@GlobalDating- Just because it is claimed people are dying from AIDS does not mean that HIV causes it. This is the hole in the theory that does not make sense. There are other causes. Watch the documentary "AIDS Inc." and "House of Numbers." AIDS a syndrome, not a disease. The medical community decided to arbitrarily collect a number of diseases together under the umbrella definition of AIDS.
(I think that is you on the Tube, eh LogicJunkie?) I want to thank you for doing such a great job - and sticking it real good to the bastards that setup this Hoax. (An By the way, YES, It is all about making money - I have seen it with my own eyes in Africa!!!! ) You are also 100% right, Anthropogenic Global Warming is another major Hoax. Plus, I have to say it - 911 was also another major Hoax.... 'Nuff said.
not to mention the vaccination for this hoax gave me a disorder that is real, asperger's disorder, when it injected thimerasol into my brain and the brains of many other children entering middle school
I've seen all those films before. I'm not a biologist, so I'm not qualified to critique them, but how do you explain all the millions of people that have died from AIDS? It's too farfetched to believe that that many people died from the drugs used to treat AIDS. If that was the case, someone would have realized it already. Plus there are many who died from AIDS who never took any drug treatment like AZT either. How do you explain that? Those films don't really explain that.
@bangNL94 i've read a lot out there, i don't know whether the evidences a proofless or not, but my own personal experiencie is that my boyfriend and i have had unprotected sex for more than 2 yrs,we've recently found out that he is hiv+ and i am hiv-, how come? and it happens to 80% of couples, so is hiv a sexually transmitted desease or not? for the record, he's done drugs in the past, suffered from anorexia nervosa and anemia for years, would that have to do with his condition and not mine?
Of course the HIV Virus exists, but he is not dangerous and he not causes Aids. Its like the Swine and Bird Flue. its a fraud, like global warming as you saied.
how come global warming is a hoax are you sure of what you talking man..this is making me crazy.then you are saying that we are living in a brainwashed society.shit what a world is this
@dirtydonki really tell that to someone living with it we don't you get some so called tainted blood and put it into your body and see what happens .... please then tell me it is a hoax
The last time this happened was the Scurvy epidemic. It was solved many times but they would not listen. They were obsessed that it was an infectious disease. Because of that an extra 2 million people died. And that is a lot higher percentage than HIV, considering it mainly affected sailors. All the top brains in the world looking for microbes, and ridiculing anyone that spoke against them.
Well done for mentioning that. People will call you a AIDS denialist. I think that people dont actually read into subjects and believe the media. Its amazing how many people now hate or dont trust banks but two years ago, they loved them, and fell hook, line and sinker for all the corruption. . For some reason this department has been more or less allowed to regulate itself. No one is allowed to question it. Its crazy, completely out of odds with scientific protocol
wow man i would like to put this out there. HIV is real they used to call it CAGE before they discovered that it was a retrovirus. AIDS is real as well. it seems as though you are getting your information from some right wing extremist who also thinks that if your not of a protestant denomonation you should leave america.
Try investigating the actual case against HIV before you completely pass judgment and close the book on it forever. The website is virusmyth dawt net.
I am HIV+ and the best decision I have ever made was to get off these bullshit meds! I now have control of my health and I am not feeding these assholes any money. I you would look at me you would never have thought I was HIV+. I don't have sunken cheeks, I am not skinny, I am never sick or never tired. Ask me that when I was on medications. And I have a science bachelors degree and I have worked in Clinical Research so I call it all bull shit with my education and experience in the field!
@amorhombre If this is true, please, please, please don't listen to these spreaders of misinformation and watch C0nc0rdance's "Origin of HIV" video for the real facts. Take whatever medicine your doctor recommends. If you want, get a second opinion, but only from someone with an actual medical degree in evidence-based medicine and not from some chiropractor or another woo-woo practitioner. And for goodness sake practice safe sex and inform your partners of your diagnoses. I wish you the best.
That's right. Listen to Sgt. Sneaky there and be a good soldier. Take the "meds" like a good drone and tell me how you end up in a few months or a few years.
Hello LJ, I'm disputing what you said in you video but I do have a question. If someone gets a "reactive" test result on a 20 min rapid test and a "positive" result on a Western Blot blood test, then what is that person really testing positive for?
hmm so if you believe it is a hoax do you not use condoms when having sex with someone you don't know very well??? Because I'm sure you have had casual sex before. Most people have at least once. So would you inject yourself with someones hiv infected blood??
This is where his logic transcends straight in to bull shit! I had a uncle that died from AID's two years ago! So how can you sit up here and tell me that it's a hoax! What the fuck did he die from? To not exist it sure does have some pretty real effects on people! What's more I studied microbiology in college so I know full well what HIV looks like!
The test is hoax. It only tests for antibodies. If your body fights off any kind of diseases, cold, flue, bacteria...etc. your body creates these antibodies. SOO this damn test sucks because it tests for this one strand that causes such controversy. It only gets out of hand when your immune system is screwed up with malnutrition, drugs, and other crap when you come across this infection. Which would only happen in Africa and low income areas.
Hookers carry a huge host of actual diseases. Anyone who is dumb enough to fuck a hooker -- much less without a condom -- is very likely going to get something, from chlamydia to gonnorhea to whatever. "HIV" has nothing to do with it.
@bakabusu Good ole white patriarchy loves to blame women for their created diseases. There are 100's of cases where men give the disease to other men and women. However there are little cases where the disease is passed from women TO A MAN. Think about it. She does not have a penis to stick into men. It's the other way around. MEN GIVE IT TO WOMEN!!! Stop blaming hookers for what men do. Stop blaming blacks for what a white man created in a lab!
yeah so if a woman has a disease and a man fucks her and gets the disease, then the woman gave it to the man. its not a one way street. same thing if one infected woman fucks a million men and infect them all. yeah women arent some pure virgin mary incapable of no wrong
You say that scientists only find the result that they are supposed to. Why then even bother with the research if that is the case? Why would an organization even hand out money to get a result to something they already know the answer to?
1) I don't think I would've said that scientists (as in ALL scientists) ONLY find the result they are supposed to -- but that has become the disturbing standard in this age of corporatized science. It's very much like the way the old painting masters used to have wealthy mentors who funded them and wanted to see certain outcomes for their money.
In the old days, scientists were unincorporated and much more rare than now, and so they tended to be truer scientists.
There do still exist, nowadays, a small minority of so-called "scientists" who really are the kind of disagreeable, kurt pariahs that tend to practice true science, and who tend to produce truer results -- but at almost every turn, science has been infiltrated and overtaken by frat-boy-minded types who have turned science into a peer pressure religion.
2) To answer the rest of your question, most of science nowadays has been overtaken by infiltrative immaturity that controls treasuries, governments, and corporations -- and so, being that they have now changed over to a monetary system whereby money is just digits that can be typed up at whim, they literally are more unencumbered than ever, and can finally engage in the kind of world-shaping they never could before...
...and "science" is one of their biggest publicity weapons.
What happens nowadays is that a completely amoral clique of unpunished and overgrown spoiled brats has risen to their full power and adulthood, but they still retain their adolescent fantasies and agendas of "supreme planetary control" -- and you have to realize that this has never been really possible until now, what with the full advent of this age of hypercontrolling hypertechnology.
So with their whim-based digi-money, they are now able to fund any of their immature emperor-brat schemes.
They both directly and indirectly communicate to today's "scientists" that, if the scientists don't "just happen" (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) to produce the sort of results that support the Uber-brats' obvious agendas, then the scientists will receive no all-important research funding, which is basically their main salary to live on.
Science now is completely corporate. If you want to know more of the whole story, pick up the book "ProfScam".
I couldn't agree more. HIV is pretty much a big lie. We've been led to believe that HIV leads to AIDS. It doesn't. HIV is pretty much not even what doctors/those "in charge" say it is. My mom and I tend to believe that "HIV" or whatever that thing is, is caused by the meds they give you when they "diagnose" you with HIV. Once you take those meds, then your health fails. Then Aids. Then death. The end.
Check out a video here on YouTube titled "Drugs and AIDS: Update on the Dissenting View", with David Rasnick. It's a little bit of a lecture, but it will confirm all your suspicions.
I responded earlier but apparently they will not let me actually post my point of view! Maybe because I adviced to read a certain factual book re the Great Aids Hoax. Well done Logic Junkie, you are SPOTON! And you are not alone! Many of us know this.
No, it's not the system, it's me. I pre-screen all comments before letting them post, because I'm tired of internet snipers who devote their lives to taking cheap shots at people online.
excellent vid! There are many of us who know this. I am from SAfrica, my mom rented her cottage out to a Tanzanian woman who had been diagnosed twice (to double check diagnosis) with aids 15 years ago. She decided not to take medication. Nothing happened to her. She is still healthy and normal. Rechecked again recently here in SA and totally negative. Read: The Great Aids Hoax by TC Fry. Aids is total fiction.
The people who bash TheLogicJunkie don't have evidence themselves that HIV exists and actually harms you. Someone just told them that it is bad and it will cause AIDS and they took it for granted like sheep. There even isn't a single test that tests for the actual HIV virus, also there is no evidence that HIV causes AIDS, or how about the fact that AIDS hasn't even been defined. AIDS = any disease + HIV diagnose.
wow Logic seems as though you have had to put up with "HIV" conspiracy Nuts for a while. It's a shame that youtube took the oprah vids they recieved 4 thousand hits. If you would do a video with the title "SMON" or Pellegra is a Hoax" then you woudn't be so popular. Keep up the fight we are in the second stage of truth" Violently Opposed..
Do I think there is a conspiracy as far as profit making and pharmaceutical medication? Yes, maybe but is HIV a hoax? That's probably the stupidest thing I've heard of. That's just ridiculous, its in your own mind. Were not talking about a product or service that you see on TV that's a scam, we are talking about a world wide epidemic that has already killed millions and millions of people, and to say its a HOAX, I think really calls out for therapy.
thats a virtual punch to your nutsack, you dumb DUMB man...
I dare you , I fucking dare you to leave the comforts of your home, go to an aids infected part of africa and fucking tell them that the virus that kills whole fucking villages is just a hoax that they need to snap out off it.
It's already been done. Thabo Mbeki, the former black president of South Africa, already took the public stand that HIV is a hoax. So you can dispense with all your canned Bolshie baiting.
@TuplaPekka this is an example of the unbelievable ignorance out there. The HIV virus does not kill anyone. AIDS kills people. AIDS is not a disease, its a whole range of diseases. If someone has one of these diseases, TB for example, and they test positive for HIV, they are given an AIDS diagnosis. Some people are diagnosed with AIDS without even testing positive for HIV just because they have a low T cell count. You can test posive for HIV in one country and negative in another, strange eh?
No, Logicjunkie i am sorry. You are doing yourself a great discredit with this video. We Have successfully seqwenced the HIV genome. You are able to view this virus through an electron microscope. We have Viral Cladograms Tracing HIV to a Zoonotic jump from SIV. Are not familiar with the immunodeficiency deficiency Lentivirus Family as a whole? HIV is not the only member.... And we have positively identified Relatives which effect a variety of animal animals.
@AcanLord what is this science you speak of? cant you see its all a big hoax! especially the common cold and the flu, even the black plague! and hell, i fell off a ladder last week and the doctors told me my arm was broken, but thats a hoax because they're in on the conspiracy too!! not only that, but evolution is a hoax too because jesus buried the dinosaur bones as a trick on mankind! (i hope people realize this is sarcasm)
@AcanLord HIV is a retrovirus. You are correct. But there is nothing remarkable that makes it act like any other retro virus. There are around 100 to 200 in our body. If what you say is correct and you can prove that it causes AIDS then there is a reward on one of the websites for 50 thousand pound. Can you verify this????
@Mafumadora Actually AcanLord made what may have been the most educated and reasonable comment on this page. Did you even try a Google search for "HIV genome sequence" before claiming that "it doesn't exist"? I sure hope you were being sarcastic
@AcanLord please could you show me the reference paper, that states, 'HIV causes AIDS' Not Robert Gallo's HIV isolation paper, but the actual 'HIV causes AIDS' in a Scientific or Medical Journal. There are a lot of people who have been trying to find this, including Nobel Prize winners for Science, without success.
i hear what you said (i don't know your name), but you didn't clearly state you argument. all there was a declarative statement and no substance. i'm not agree or disagreeing with you, but just answer the question. why is it a hoax? i just wasted over three minutes of my life. common man let's here your argument. why is HIV a hoax? jesus.
Nice, it is so hard for the average person to comprehend that science and academia are not how they are romanticized. in particular, they are both static, for they emphasize the past ...what is called the new physics has been the new physics for about 75 years now, and yet science holds back talk of any sort of non religious teleological explanations, for all they care about is induction and deduction, and academia only cares about memorizing facts about the past
And yet, science has become infiltrated and subverted by people of a religionistic mindset, who have made science as much about dogmas and blind, authoritarian obedience as religion ever has been.
At TheLogicJunkie: Thus before posting any comment, I first watched the video from the link you give...
All I can say: to me, highly plausible, and if not motivated by any religious or ideoligical beliefs, and because not suspect of any career or big money motivation it is very disturbing.
I totally agreed with your description of the medical research (and marketing strategy) because I suspected such a bias since about two decades. But I had been a A.I.D.S. consultant in the 80's and having been raised up in the worshiping of Marie Curie and Louis Pasteur, I wasn't prepared to take any crititical look at Luc Montagnier's hypothesis. Being from Institut Pasteur it could only be on the right track, and I believe Pr. Montagnier to be an integer man (to prt 3)
Well, actually, Luc Montagnier is finally starting to come out and strongly hint that AIDS's true cause is toxicological, nutritional, and psychophysiological -- with a noticeable lack of mention of any viral "cause".
It would seem that, once again, there is much more honesty and integrity on the east side of the Atlantic than here... First Montagnier tentatively "discovers" HIV, and then privately and unsuspectingly shares his results with the thieving rat Robert Gallo, who steals them.
...Gallo steals them, and claims them as his own, and then Montagnier has to fight the evil, lying psychopath for even PARTIAL discovery credit (even though it was ultimately a false positive discovery). So, Montagnier still stands high above Gallo in terms of real honor and integrity.
...And now, FOUR DECADES LATER, Montagnier has, yet again, the greater integrity to come forward and start admitting the error, and the truth -- LONG before Gallo ever will.
Well, Institut Pasteur used to be a non-profit fundation thought to work for advancement of the science and the common well of the people... untill Gallo's theft and patenting of the stolen good :(
Thus it isn't anymore, but some of its previous "culture" remains partly among the researchers.
@TheLogicJunkie "Montagnier tentatively "discovers" HIV, and then privately and unsuspectingly shares his results" Yes, it was non-written but universally accepted rule than the knowledge, and scientific breakthrough were at first "common good of the mankind" (reason why they had to be awarded).
Montagnier's "mistake" -- as if trusting someone not to steal your ideas and results according to the rules of peer review is a "mistake" -- was, tragically, in not knowing enough about what kind of nightmare psychopath Robert Gallo really is, and sharing his research findings with him, across the Atlantic, from France to America.
It wasn't a "mistake" at this time: it was a routine to share sample with members of the scientists community all through the world (and so did Montagnier with several labs).
To my knowledge, it was the first time such a thing ever happend. Attempts of spying and/or plagiary on the publication of results were nothing new (and this was rather "for the glory"), but on the shared biologic materials, I believe this it was a premiere.
You say "psychopath", I would say "ruthless thug".
b t w, I have a problem with the recreational drugs explanation: I don't think it happend in the past as heroin and cocaine were still chemicaly pure: overdose, suicide, or pretty long life among the prominent junkies at that time. I would suspect "contaminations" or "adjuvants" as it became a "mass market"..(and heroin ceased to be the expansive white powder it used to be).
Medicinal morphine doesn't give A.I.D.S., dentistry cocaine neither...
On long-term, I couldn't tell, most patients also have serious illnesses to become it on long-term (often for painful cancers, they others should be checked).
But there should have been a cancer epidemy in France among the french army vets in the very early 20th century, the over-widely spread morphine addiction in the military had lead to the regulation on opiates...with the fear: morphine shortage would equal no more reliable army ;o)
I refrained posting a pretty critical and disbeliefing reaction about your statements on this vid: I first carefuly red all comments and your replies and I concluded that in the same way I believe myself to be a "CommonSenseJunky", your are a genuine "logicjunky". And I must aknowledge that you express yourself with a wider erudition, cognitive abilities and erudition than I could do myself...(part 1)
Well, I can't stay I have full insider knowledge -- I've only studied what's available online -- but if you're willing to trudge through it, there's a great and incredibly thorough interview with Australian scientist Eleni Papadopoulos, where she explains the entire "HIV" screening process.
If HIV/AIDS doesn't exist ...then what killed Freddie Mercury ?
V78thgz 3 weeks ago
@V78thgz rofl the drugs ofc, just like most people die to drugs nowdays
payooful 2 weeks ago
I've watched the House of Numbers. YES: I believe the gov needed a new cash cow. BUT: No matter whre or hw it originated, HIV/AIDS is REAL & kills millions evry yr, meds or nt. TRU: developed vs undeveloped countries' tests/criteria r dif. YES: I believe majority of thse n Africa r dy'n more frm extreme poverty. BUT: Here n the US & other developed countries I hve seen & cont 2 see the progression n thse tk'n meds vs thse who dn't. (2 b con't)
shaney76us 4 weeks ago
Wow you still around man? Well said about the fucking hoax of HIV they should be thrown in prison for this scam.
KombiPode 1 month ago
It's on the internet, it MUST be true!
synnr666 1 month ago
No one is going to like this but you are most likely correct. I think it was "House Of Numbers" that did it for me. When started checking it for myself I realized this was complete bullshit even the test to test for HIV is false since there is no test that can prove you even have HIV, since the test don't test for HIV the test for the antibodies but the funny part is you can have quote unquote HIV antibodies and not have HIV <_< its sad but everyone once again is being bullshited
lightfdar 1 month ago
@lightfdar Thanks for speaking up.
TheLogicJunkie 1 month ago
what ever you say man
marcus8902 2 months ago
You obviously do not know what happened when the government of South Africa adopted this belief. The AIDS epidemic got out of control.
PolitcalIslam 2 months ago
What people die from in Africa are the usual principal diseases there, like malaria, which is the perennial scourge there. If you study the causes of death closely, you will find people dying from malaria, specifically. And then, because people are getting sick, period, they're calling it "AIDS".
It's a sleight of hand.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie So, deaths from malaria replaced deaths from HIV?
PolitcalIslam 2 months ago
@PolitcalIslam You're missing the essential subtlety of the point I've been trying to make here, all along:
No virus -- retro or otherwise -- has ever been isolated that has actually been shown through the actual process of actual science itself, to cause human immunodeficiency. That means that there has never been any reason all along to even label anything "HIV", because that stands for "human immunodeficiency virus".
In other words, no "HIV" has ever been truly shown to cause death.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie If there are antibodies, the retrovirus exists. Whether of not the virus causes the disease is actual question.
PolitcalIslam 2 months ago
@PolitcalIslam YES. That's it, EXACTLY.
And, in fact, Peter Duesberg does in fact say that a retrovirus HAS in fact been isolated, but that nothing has ever shown, by the precise and accepted standards of science, that it causes AIDS. Hence, calling it a "human immunodeficiency virus" has been dishonest and wrong from the very beginning. Therefore, calling it "HIV" has been misleading and false.
THAT is the whole point here: so much of this disease has been a slick word game all along.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
So has anyone stopped taking their HIV meds and had nothing happen to them?
AdrianThePedestrian 2 months ago
GREAT VIDS! IM SUBSCRIBING!
666alilthrowedoff666 2 months ago
You know whats great, You can believe whatever you want, but the reality of the thing does not give a flying fuck as to anyones beliefs. You guys seem to have a wonderful conspiracy circle jerk going on here so I wont spoil it further.
TheCaptainLulz 3 months ago
You're absolutely right -- real truth doesn't give a rat's ass about what conceited humans insist to be true. But only time will tell who's really conspiring here.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
Yup, you pay for your own death...What a scheme.
royalblowno 4 months ago
have you lost your mind
marcus8902 4 months ago
I've lost my hive-mind -- yes.
TheLogicJunkie 2 months ago
If I posted a 3 minute rant about how evolution was a "fucking hoax" based entirely on my theory that biologists are corrupt and they only come up the evidence they do because they are terrified of not conforming and losing their funding...
...would you think I was a nutter?
...even if I posted a link to Creation Ministries International?
eSnout 4 months ago
Will somebody else address this goose-stepper? I'm tired of repeating myself for these people.
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
HIV is a hoax? Best tell all those Africans that have passed HIV on to each other and their children through birth and tell them they are dying for no reason....sweet jeeberz
MrCowen70 4 months ago
Oh, come on... I'm not insane -- nobody dies "for no reason". There's always a reason. I'm not saying there's "no reason".
What I'm saying is that they're not dying because of the reason of the so-called "HIV". I'm saying (and so are many, many others now) that they're actually dying from the typical diseases of the region that are endemic to the reason, such as malaria. But now the world HIV junta is calling the contraction of all the normal major diseases "AIDS", which is new jargon.
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
Look... if you really want to be fully informed on this thing -- on both sides of the issue -- you really should go over to virusmyth [dawt] net, and check out the articles and videos there. These are not new age wackos blathering on about alien conspiracies -- these are Nobel prize-winning researchers denouncing the whole damn paradigm of "HIV".
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie Can you name a single Nobel laureate who denies that HIV exists?
emulsionsideup 4 months ago
KARY FUCKING MULLIS !!!!
HE'S IN THE LINK I POSTED UNDER THIS VIDEO DESCRIPTION !!!
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie Err, no.
While Kary Mullis questions whether HIV causes AIDS, like his close friend Duesberg he is in no doubt that HIV exists. From your virusmyth link:
"In Conclusion: HIV has been isolated by the most rigorous method science has to offer." - Peter Duesberg August 1996.
emulsionsideup 4 months ago
@emulsionsideup I just saw this post, awaiting approval. And I'm glad I saw it, because I need to directly nip this one thing in the bud, right here and right now:
The problem is that Peter Duesberg continues to use the term "HIV" to describe the retrovirus that is present, when THAT term ITSELF is what undermines him, as it is an abbreviation for "human IMMUNODEFICIENCY virus".
Instead, Duesberg needs to use a different term, like "HRV" (human retro-virus) to describe what's been isolated.
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
"The evidence presented against the existence of HIV was really naive, to say the least. Almost embarrassing. And that wasn't just my impression. That's what one of the organizers, Dr. Roberto Giraldo, said. That's what Kary Mullis said, and that's what David Rasnick said. I would have no problems saying HIV doesn't exist if the evidence for that would be halfway convincing. But I'm afraid that's not so." _Duesberg again.
emulsionsideup 4 months ago
You show me where you got that from, so I can verify for myself that you didn't just make it up. And considering that you posted it in quotes and it's a very long quote, I'm assuming that you copied and pasted it from somewhere, rather than having kept it perfectly memorized in your head all this time.
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie I copied the quote from the website you linked (virusmyth).
The article is called "INTERVIEW PETER DUESBERG HIV Is Real, But Harmless" By Mark Gabrish Conlan 1998. It was published on the virusmyth website you directed us to.
Try putting the quote in a Google search box - including the quote marks. It will bring up the relevant web page. If that doesn't work, try putting the first eleven words (in quotations) in your search engine. If you still can't find it, then PM me.
emulsionsideup 4 months ago
@emulsionsideup Okay. I just read that article you told me about, and what Duesberg is saying there is that he believes that there may very well be a retrovirus, BUT that describing its FUNCTIONALITY as specifically a HUMAN IMMUNODEFICIENCY virus is what's not proven.
What Duesberg was deriding was the presentation of STEFAN LANKA, who is saying that not only does a retrovirus not cause AIDS, but that NO RETROVIRUS EVEN EXISTS. Duesberg does concede that retroviruses are fairly normal.
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
This has basically been MY point all along, and I've said it in my videos and in my book over and over again -- that calling a given retrovirus a "human immunodeficiency" virus is the hoax. THAT is the real problem... IRRESPECTIVE of whether some retrovirus actually exists and perhaps is even transmitted or not.
This position may sound radical, but it's based upon something very variant that Duesberg and others have been saying: that retroviruses may actually exist ubiquitously AND even...
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
...AND even be a normal, routine, and even benign (and perhaps even integral) part of cellular biochemical metabolism.
THIS is the idea that people are not implicitly operating on, because only some people on the very cutting edge have even been seriously considering it as a very real possibility. What people are operating on is the idea that RETROVIRUSES MUST CAUSE DISEASE. And it is THAT common shibboleth that is what's causing people's minds to freeze up and crash about all this.
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie The two main AIDS dissident positions are:
1. "HIV is real, but it doesn't cause AIDS" - Duesberg, Mullis, etc, and
2. "HIV has not been shown to exist" (but if it did exist then the evidence is overwhelming that it would be the cause of AIDS) - Perth Group.
Both dissident positions are not only rejected by almost every scientist or physician with actual laboratory or clinical experience with HIV/AIDS - each position is logically incompatible with the other.
emulsionsideup 4 months ago
@emulsionsideup Okay, here we go... again. So let me edit and repost what you just posted:
1. "'HIV' is wrongly named, but so far only actually exists as an 'HRV' (human retrovirus), and not necessarily one that causes an immunodeficiency syndrome" - Duesberg, Mullis, etc., and
2. "Not even an HRV has been shown to exist AT ALL, that could then even qualify to be an 'HIV'" (and all that stuff you posted about it then being "overwhelming" to cause AIDS, is dodgy).
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
Finally, you have yet again slyly fulfilled the "HIV" jihadist role of he-who-slips-in-the-logical-fraud-that-consensus-equals-validity by restating the party line that the dissenters are "infidels" who are wrong MERELY BECAUSE THEY DISAGREE AND ARE IN THE MINORITY.
What has happened to real science? People like YOU have happened to real science. You have infiltrated and hijacked the field and turned it into a jargonizing priesthood that wields mob conformity. It's no longer science.
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
Also, by deliberately and tactically misrepresenting the actual stances of these dissenters, you strive to falsely establish a popular conception of their "illogic". The truth is, however, that at least people like Duesberg AND Mullis have displayed the integrity of character to examine Stefan Lanka's evidence and position, and say, "We're sorry, but that's going too far -- it's fraudulent to say that not even retroviruses are being found".
You're just not being truthful -- you have an agenda.
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
Now, I don't know if Stefan Lanka is actually saying what you've claimed he's saying, that "If, indeed, HIV were found to exist, that it would DEFINITELY CAUSE AIDS", because I didn't notice him saying that at all in what I read -- and with your track record of tactically dropping context in order to serve your establishment agenda, I'm not going to take your word for any of that, but I will read whatever he has actually said, if only you show me a link to it.
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie Pardon?
I'm just pointing out that there are at least two mutually contradictory "dissident" positions, and that you have wrongly ascribed a position to Kary Mullis that he doesn't hold. He is reported by Duesberg to have described your position (see 0.40) as "really naive, to say the least. Almost embarrassing."
Like almost everyone I disagree with Mullis about whether HIV causes AIDS, but can we at least agree to quote his views accurately?
emulsionsideup 4 months ago
@emulsionsideup No, no, no, damn it, no... You are NOT telling the truth about my position.
I have always stated my position as being that "no retrovirus has ever been isolated that ALSO has been shown to cause AIDS". In other words, that BOTH arguments are true -- because they are NOT. I have always made that statement.
My position has always been that "HIV" does not exist, because whatever may be isolated has NEVER been shown to actually be a "human IMMUNODEFICIENCY virus".
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
Therefore, my position is absolutely NOT laughable -- because it is EXACTLY the same position as Duesberg AND Mullis both hold. It is YOU who fail to understand what is being said here.
Now, part of that is because people like Duesberg have inattentively continued to use the establishment term "HIV" when it's a false descriptor acronym. I do believe that continuing to concede to using that term is a big reason for the dissident stance perhaps seeming to be "delusional" or something.
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie Leaving aside the question of whether HIV causes AIDS, does the retrovirus that the scientific community calls "HIV" exist or not? Because in your video you said:
0:32 “… but, umm you know it’s worse even than this video suggests in this little show of hers because these people weren’t just misdiagnosed – they were misdiagnosed with a virus that does not even exist.”
Duesberg and Mullis have made their views on this question very clear. What's yours?
emulsionsideup 4 months ago
I JUST TOLD YOU MY POSITION TWO POSTS ABOVE THIS LAST ONE OF YOURS.
AND DON'T GIVE ME ANY MORE OF YOUR "EXCUSE ME?" HORSESHIT.
STOP PLAYING THIS SHITTY LITTLE GAME OF YOURS, OF ATTRITION.
I HAVE ALREADY OPENLY STATED MY POSITION, IN EXHAUSTIVELY CLEAR WORDING.
Capisce??? Did that penetrate through that adamantine goddamn skull of yours this time, finally???
TheLogicJunkie 4 months ago
So True !!!!
alwazinluv 5 months ago
associating global warming with aids is dangerous. the number one problem that exists with aids and the whole field of virology and pharma is that there are plenty of crackpot conspiracy theorists to ensure real science that counters the mainstream ethos is marginalized along with the global warming deniailists and general conspriracy nuts.
ped200014 6 months ago
@thelogicjunkie I thought full body skin disease was a HOAX until I saw you *lmao you just a panu
dianangreany 6 months ago
So Good to have u here on YouTube, we need more people like u,the World needs the TRUTH!!!
vinny111 7 months ago
@GlobalDating- Just because it is claimed people are dying from AIDS does not mean that HIV causes it. This is the hole in the theory that does not make sense. There are other causes. Watch the documentary "AIDS Inc." and "House of Numbers." AIDS a syndrome, not a disease. The medical community decided to arbitrarily collect a number of diseases together under the umbrella definition of AIDS.
stupidgenius61 7 months ago
@stupidgenius61 Beautifully put. I agree completely.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
@stupidgenius61
AIDS is a sign of the sickness / madness of the Doctors of the US And UK. It is all a HOAX and DEADLY TRAGEDY.
TheBebelehaut 6 months ago
i think your brain is a HOAX i believe there's no mind inside that skull. What should I do to prove it?
dianangreany 7 months ago
Try making some doo-doo jokes.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie
(I think that is you on the Tube, eh LogicJunkie?) I want to thank you for doing such a great job - and sticking it real good to the bastards that setup this Hoax. (An By the way, YES, It is all about making money - I have seen it with my own eyes in Africa!!!! ) You are also 100% right, Anthropogenic Global Warming is another major Hoax. Plus, I have to say it - 911 was also another major Hoax.... 'Nuff said.
TheBebelehaut 6 months ago
@dianangreany
suck a lollipop??
TheBebelehaut 6 months ago
Lol this is ridonkulous.
bddblade 8 months ago
not to mention the vaccination for this hoax gave me a disorder that is real, asperger's disorder, when it injected thimerasol into my brain and the brains of many other children entering middle school
FaidleyEthan 9 months ago
Would you say that all STDs are a hoax as well? I'm just wondering as I believe HIV is a hoax as well.
theshooter2000 9 months ago
I've seen all those films before. I'm not a biologist, so I'm not qualified to critique them, but how do you explain all the millions of people that have died from AIDS? It's too farfetched to believe that that many people died from the drugs used to treat AIDS. If that was the case, someone would have realized it already. Plus there are many who died from AIDS who never took any drug treatment like AZT either. How do you explain that? Those films don't really explain that.
GlobalDating 9 months ago
Global warming is not a hoax. Global cooling is the hoax.
bknghiem 10 months ago
i love how they say most people dont have symptoms for 10 years when they are infected. If the thing is killing you, you must feel symptoms...lol
sergsrt8 11 months ago
@TheLogicJunkie
Where's the freaking evidence?! I can ask you this about EVERY SINGLE conspiracy theory I know of: 9/11, HIV, NWO, Illuminati, HAARP, everything...
You guys just keep making assumption based on proofless evidence, and most of all, what you WANT TO BELIEVE.
bangNL94 11 months ago
@bangNL94 i've read a lot out there, i don't know whether the evidences a proofless or not, but my own personal experiencie is that my boyfriend and i have had unprotected sex for more than 2 yrs,we've recently found out that he is hiv+ and i am hiv-, how come? and it happens to 80% of couples, so is hiv a sexually transmitted desease or not? for the record, he's done drugs in the past, suffered from anorexia nervosa and anemia for years, would that have to do with his condition and not mine?
makinganentrance 11 months ago
Of course the HIV Virus exists, but he is not dangerous and he not causes Aids. Its like the Swine and Bird Flue. its a fraud, like global warming as you saied.
TheTrueJusticeMen 1 year ago
TEACHER: “George Washington not only chopped down his father’s cherry tree,
but also admitted doing it.
Now do you know why his father didn’t punish him?”
JOHNNY: “Because George still had the ax in his hand.”
franian77 1 year ago
“George Washington not only chopped down his father’s cherry tree,
but also admitted doing it.
Now do you know why his father didn’t punish him?”
JOHNNY: “Because George still had the ax in his hand.”
franian77 1 year ago
how come global warming is a hoax are you sure of what you talking man..this is making me crazy.then you are saying that we are living in a brainwashed society.shit what a world is this
franian77 1 year ago
you should see my video: aids is a fraud, god bless rockcreek free press
TENNSUMITSUMA 1 year ago
The man does not speak with forked tongue.
HIV does NOT cause AIDS. It is all about money. :)
dirtydonki 1 year ago 12
Thank you.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
@dirtydonki really tell that to someone living with it we don't you get some so called tainted blood and put it into your body and see what happens .... please then tell me it is a hoax
curtismacleod 2 months ago
so ur a scientist or how do u know about all of this??
flosse89 1 year ago
Watch the video. Don't just read the title.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
The last time this happened was the Scurvy epidemic. It was solved many times but they would not listen. They were obsessed that it was an infectious disease. Because of that an extra 2 million people died. And that is a lot higher percentage than HIV, considering it mainly affected sailors. All the top brains in the world looking for microbes, and ridiculing anyone that spoke against them.
simwatts 1 year ago 4
Yes, exactly -- the scurvy epidemic. That's correct. Good comparison.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
Well done for mentioning that. People will call you a AIDS denialist. I think that people dont actually read into subjects and believe the media. Its amazing how many people now hate or dont trust banks but two years ago, they loved them, and fell hook, line and sinker for all the corruption. . For some reason this department has been more or less allowed to regulate itself. No one is allowed to question it. Its crazy, completely out of odds with scientific protocol
simwatts 1 year ago
wow man i would like to put this out there. HIV is real they used to call it CAGE before they discovered that it was a retrovirus. AIDS is real as well. it seems as though you are getting your information from some right wing extremist who also thinks that if your not of a protestant denomonation you should leave america.
flossyleech1 1 year ago
Try investigating the actual case against HIV before you completely pass judgment and close the book on it forever. The website is virusmyth dawt net.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
ha ha ha your not logical your a dumb fuck.
SuperGoat777 1 year ago
It's spelled "you're", not "your".
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
I am HIV+ and the best decision I have ever made was to get off these bullshit meds! I now have control of my health and I am not feeding these assholes any money. I you would look at me you would never have thought I was HIV+. I don't have sunken cheeks, I am not skinny, I am never sick or never tired. Ask me that when I was on medications. And I have a science bachelors degree and I have worked in Clinical Research so I call it all bull shit with my education and experience in the field!
amorhombre 1 year ago 9
@amorhombre If this is true, please, please, please don't listen to these spreaders of misinformation and watch C0nc0rdance's "Origin of HIV" video for the real facts. Take whatever medicine your doctor recommends. If you want, get a second opinion, but only from someone with an actual medical degree in evidence-based medicine and not from some chiropractor or another woo-woo practitioner. And for goodness sake practice safe sex and inform your partners of your diagnoses. I wish you the best.
JonathanDP81 1 year ago 2
That's right. Listen to Sgt. Sneaky there and be a good soldier. Take the "meds" like a good drone and tell me how you end up in a few months or a few years.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
@amorhombre how long have you had HIV?
kmcl11 4 months ago
@amorhombre can you and i talk? id like to know more about this hiv being a hoax n stuff.
retandom 4 months ago
Hello LJ, I'm disputing what you said in you video but I do have a question. If someone gets a "reactive" test result on a 20 min rapid test and a "positive" result on a Western Blot blood test, then what is that person really testing positive for?
madrasmasala 1 year ago
Then...why are those poeple so suck? And why did they tend to die? and why does medication seem to work?
PowerRedBull 1 year ago
Watch the video, and go to the link I posted.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
this is stupid
XJahvonX 1 year ago
Very logical.
GSRJosh33 1 year ago
hmm so if you believe it is a hoax do you not use condoms when having sex with someone you don't know very well??? Because I'm sure you have had casual sex before. Most people have at least once. So would you inject yourself with someones hiv infected blood??
LeeLeeO82 1 year ago
This is where his logic transcends straight in to bull shit! I had a uncle that died from AID's two years ago! So how can you sit up here and tell me that it's a hoax! What the fuck did he die from? To not exist it sure does have some pretty real effects on people! What's more I studied microbiology in college so I know full well what HIV looks like!
JAEQOO 1 year ago
Look CLOSELY at the title of this video and see EXACTLY what I said is a hoax.
(Here's a hint: IT'S NOT AIDS.)
It's a simple task. I think you can do it.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
@TheLogicJunkie lmfao!?
JAEQOO 1 year ago
The test is hoax. It only tests for antibodies. If your body fights off any kind of diseases, cold, flue, bacteria...etc. your body creates these antibodies. SOO this damn test sucks because it tests for this one strand that causes such controversy. It only gets out of hand when your immune system is screwed up with malnutrition, drugs, and other crap when you come across this infection. Which would only happen in Africa and low income areas.
mchertron 1 year ago
lol wut???
i don't know about that...
maidwithluv 1 year ago
lol. then prove it and inject yourself with hiv infected blood, I bet you wont do it!
MTHKITEBOARDS 1 year ago
go fuck a hooker with HIV with no condom dumbass if ur so right.
bakabusu 1 year ago
Hookers carry a huge host of actual diseases. Anyone who is dumb enough to fuck a hooker -- much less without a condom -- is very likely going to get something, from chlamydia to gonnorhea to whatever. "HIV" has nothing to do with it.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
@bakabusu Good ole white patriarchy loves to blame women for their created diseases. There are 100's of cases where men give the disease to other men and women. However there are little cases where the disease is passed from women TO A MAN. Think about it. She does not have a penis to stick into men. It's the other way around. MEN GIVE IT TO WOMEN!!! Stop blaming hookers for what men do. Stop blaming blacks for what a white man created in a lab!
filmtress 1 year ago
@filmtress
yeah so if a woman has a disease and a man fucks her and gets the disease, then the woman gave it to the man. its not a one way street. same thing if one infected woman fucks a million men and infect them all. yeah women arent some pure virgin mary incapable of no wrong
TENNSUMITSUMA 1 year ago
You say that scientists only find the result that they are supposed to. Why then even bother with the research if that is the case? Why would an organization even hand out money to get a result to something they already know the answer to?
wdmm94 1 year ago
Let's be clear first:
1) I don't think I would've said that scientists (as in ALL scientists) ONLY find the result they are supposed to -- but that has become the disturbing standard in this age of corporatized science. It's very much like the way the old painting masters used to have wealthy mentors who funded them and wanted to see certain outcomes for their money.
In the old days, scientists were unincorporated and much more rare than now, and so they tended to be truer scientists.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
There do still exist, nowadays, a small minority of so-called "scientists" who really are the kind of disagreeable, kurt pariahs that tend to practice true science, and who tend to produce truer results -- but at almost every turn, science has been infiltrated and overtaken by frat-boy-minded types who have turned science into a peer pressure religion.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
2) To answer the rest of your question, most of science nowadays has been overtaken by infiltrative immaturity that controls treasuries, governments, and corporations -- and so, being that they have now changed over to a monetary system whereby money is just digits that can be typed up at whim, they literally are more unencumbered than ever, and can finally engage in the kind of world-shaping they never could before...
...and "science" is one of their biggest publicity weapons.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
What happens nowadays is that a completely amoral clique of unpunished and overgrown spoiled brats has risen to their full power and adulthood, but they still retain their adolescent fantasies and agendas of "supreme planetary control" -- and you have to realize that this has never been really possible until now, what with the full advent of this age of hypercontrolling hypertechnology.
So with their whim-based digi-money, they are now able to fund any of their immature emperor-brat schemes.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
...And they do. And they are.
They both directly and indirectly communicate to today's "scientists" that, if the scientists don't "just happen" (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) to produce the sort of results that support the Uber-brats' obvious agendas, then the scientists will receive no all-important research funding, which is basically their main salary to live on.
Science now is completely corporate. If you want to know more of the whole story, pick up the book "ProfScam".
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
How do you explain all the people who have a positive HIV test that do well on the meds? How do you explain HIV at all?
What proof do you have that doesn't fall under junk science or at best- pseudoscience?
DanceWithHer 1 year ago
I couldn't agree more. HIV is pretty much a big lie. We've been led to believe that HIV leads to AIDS. It doesn't. HIV is pretty much not even what doctors/those "in charge" say it is. My mom and I tend to believe that "HIV" or whatever that thing is, is caused by the meds they give you when they "diagnose" you with HIV. Once you take those meds, then your health fails. Then Aids. Then death. The end.
ImNotYourFriend212 1 year ago
Check out a video here on YouTube titled "Drugs and AIDS: Update on the Dissenting View", with David Rasnick. It's a little bit of a lecture, but it will confirm all your suspicions.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN MAGIC JOHNSON LIVIVIN OVER TWENTY YEARS
mandaloran1 1 year ago
This video!
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
I responded earlier but apparently they will not let me actually post my point of view! Maybe because I adviced to read a certain factual book re the Great Aids Hoax. Well done Logic Junkie, you are SPOTON! And you are not alone! Many of us know this.
unlimitedsky2000 1 year ago
No, it's not the system, it's me. I pre-screen all comments before letting them post, because I'm tired of internet snipers who devote their lives to taking cheap shots at people online.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
excellent vid! There are many of us who know this. I am from SAfrica, my mom rented her cottage out to a Tanzanian woman who had been diagnosed twice (to double check diagnosis) with aids 15 years ago. She decided not to take medication. Nothing happened to her. She is still healthy and normal. Rechecked again recently here in SA and totally negative. Read: The Great Aids Hoax by TC Fry. Aids is total fiction.
unlimitedsky2000 1 year ago
I'm afraid you're right -- more and more of these discrepant cases are coming out as time unfolds.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
know wonder you have to approve my message,because you cant except you just a big lier who dont understand nothing
19741joanna 1 year ago
shutup you big slop you know nothing abaut HIV
19741joanna 1 year ago
this opinion is complete bullshit.... you are fucking retarded
mwhaha1000 1 year ago
The people who bash TheLogicJunkie don't have evidence themselves that HIV exists and actually harms you. Someone just told them that it is bad and it will cause AIDS and they took it for granted like sheep. There even isn't a single test that tests for the actual HIV virus, also there is no evidence that HIV causes AIDS, or how about the fact that AIDS hasn't even been defined. AIDS = any disease + HIV diagnose.
dz1ncha 1 year ago
wow Logic seems as though you have had to put up with "HIV" conspiracy Nuts for a while. It's a shame that youtube took the oprah vids they recieved 4 thousand hits. If you would do a video with the title "SMON" or Pellegra is a Hoax" then you woudn't be so popular. Keep up the fight we are in the second stage of truth" Violently Opposed..
HIVVideos 1 year ago
H.I.V is a hoax lol
your a very funny man
c64c64c64 1 year ago
Do I think there is a conspiracy as far as profit making and pharmaceutical medication? Yes, maybe but is HIV a hoax? That's probably the stupidest thing I've heard of. That's just ridiculous, its in your own mind. Were not talking about a product or service that you see on TV that's a scam, we are talking about a world wide epidemic that has already killed millions and millions of people, and to say its a HOAX, I think really calls out for therapy.
JoshsGTO 1 year ago
[insert giant facepalm mosaic picture here]
WeAreTheRobots 1 year ago
If it's a hoax, i defy you to go and share a little blood with an HIV positive individual. Go ahead. Why not? It's a hoax, right?
RyuDarragh 1 year ago 3
I'm not saying you are right or wrong, but you shouldn't motivate anyone to dismiss medical treatment.
See, if you are mistaken, you'd be responsible whoever believe you's death. It's a serious matter, be more responsible.
dogzer 1 year ago
Try actually watching my video, and looking at the link I posted, before you presume to play grown-up and issue a scolding.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
-pow-
thats a virtual punch to your nutsack, you dumb DUMB man...
I dare you , I fucking dare you to leave the comforts of your home, go to an aids infected part of africa and fucking tell them that the virus that kills whole fucking villages is just a hoax that they need to snap out off it.
TuplaPekka 1 year ago
It's already been done. Thabo Mbeki, the former black president of South Africa, already took the public stand that HIV is a hoax. So you can dispense with all your canned Bolshie baiting.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
so your logic here is that since you´re not the only one spreading this bullshit then it must be true?
TuplaPekka 1 year ago
@TheLogicJunkie deleting comments, eh? how original.
TuplaPekka 1 year ago
@TuplaPekka this is an example of the unbelievable ignorance out there. The HIV virus does not kill anyone. AIDS kills people. AIDS is not a disease, its a whole range of diseases. If someone has one of these diseases, TB for example, and they test positive for HIV, they are given an AIDS diagnosis. Some people are diagnosed with AIDS without even testing positive for HIV just because they have a low T cell count. You can test posive for HIV in one country and negative in another, strange eh?
kennyeret 1 year ago
@kennyeret Yes, exactly.
TheLogicJunkie 7 months ago
No, Logicjunkie i am sorry. You are doing yourself a great discredit with this video. We Have successfully seqwenced the HIV genome. You are able to view this virus through an electron microscope. We have Viral Cladograms Tracing HIV to a Zoonotic jump from SIV. Are not familiar with the immunodeficiency deficiency Lentivirus Family as a whole? HIV is not the only member.... And we have positively identified Relatives which effect a variety of animal animals.
AcanLord 1 year ago 14
@AcanLord what is this science you speak of? cant you see its all a big hoax! especially the common cold and the flu, even the black plague! and hell, i fell off a ladder last week and the doctors told me my arm was broken, but thats a hoax because they're in on the conspiracy too!! not only that, but evolution is a hoax too because jesus buried the dinosaur bones as a trick on mankind! (i hope people realize this is sarcasm)
1norcal415 1 year ago
@AcanLord HIV is a retrovirus. You are correct. But there is nothing remarkable that makes it act like any other retro virus. There are around 100 to 200 in our body. If what you say is correct and you can prove that it causes AIDS then there is a reward on one of the websites for 50 thousand pound. Can you verify this????
simwatts 1 year ago
@AcanLord you must be one of the stupidest mf's on earth!!!! There is no sequence of the HIV genome, it doesn't exist.
Mafumadora 1 year ago
@Mafumadora Actually AcanLord made what may have been the most educated and reasonable comment on this page. Did you even try a Google search for "HIV genome sequence" before claiming that "it doesn't exist"? I sure hope you were being sarcastic
SeanTalksTooMuch 7 months ago
@AcanLord please could you show me the reference paper, that states, 'HIV causes AIDS' Not Robert Gallo's HIV isolation paper, but the actual 'HIV causes AIDS' in a Scientific or Medical Journal. There are a lot of people who have been trying to find this, including Nobel Prize winners for Science, without success.
1964tonto 6 months ago
What do you base this claim on? You just keep repeating its a hoax with no proof? I'm open to all ideas but you need some evidence to back it up.
viggianoj 1 year ago 23
@viggianoj He's full of shit!
JAEQOO 1 year ago
dude, you didn't say why HIV is a hoax. what gives?
michaelst5 1 year ago
Yes I did.
Read what I wrote for this video's description.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
i hear what you said (i don't know your name), but you didn't clearly state you argument. all there was a declarative statement and no substance. i'm not agree or disagreeing with you, but just answer the question. why is it a hoax? i just wasted over three minutes of my life. common man let's here your argument. why is HIV a hoax? jesus.
michaelst5 1 year ago
@TheLogicJunkie: /watch?v=nQH3TrtsI9w
Would you take a look at this and let me know what you think of it?
Frankly said, I don't have an opinion yet.... I tend not to agree with it, but not everything's wrong in it... 8-I
Zzozze 1 year ago
Nice, it is so hard for the average person to comprehend that science and academia are not how they are romanticized. in particular, they are both static, for they emphasize the past ...what is called the new physics has been the new physics for about 75 years now, and yet science holds back talk of any sort of non religious teleological explanations, for all they care about is induction and deduction, and academia only cares about memorizing facts about the past
CammieSpectrum 1 year ago
And yet, science has become infiltrated and subverted by people of a religionistic mindset, who have made science as much about dogmas and blind, authoritarian obedience as religion ever has been.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
At TheLogicJunkie: Thus before posting any comment, I first watched the video from the link you give...
All I can say: to me, highly plausible, and if not motivated by any religious or ideoligical beliefs, and because not suspect of any career or big money motivation it is very disturbing.
Zzozze 1 year ago
That's all we as a species ever have to go on -- logical plausibility and, even more importantly, the bottom line of phenomenological evidence.
In other words, even if things don't seem to make sense, at least they should be observable -- weird and seemingly impossible as they may be.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
at TheLogicJunky (part2)
I totally agreed with your description of the medical research (and marketing strategy) because I suspected such a bias since about two decades. But I had been a A.I.D.S. consultant in the 80's and having been raised up in the worshiping of Marie Curie and Louis Pasteur, I wasn't prepared to take any crititical look at Luc Montagnier's hypothesis. Being from Institut Pasteur it could only be on the right track, and I believe Pr. Montagnier to be an integer man (to prt 3)
Zzozze 1 year ago
Well, actually, Luc Montagnier is finally starting to come out and strongly hint that AIDS's true cause is toxicological, nutritional, and psychophysiological -- with a noticeable lack of mention of any viral "cause".
It would seem that, once again, there is much more honesty and integrity on the east side of the Atlantic than here... First Montagnier tentatively "discovers" HIV, and then privately and unsuspectingly shares his results with the thieving rat Robert Gallo, who steals them.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
...Gallo steals them, and claims them as his own, and then Montagnier has to fight the evil, lying psychopath for even PARTIAL discovery credit (even though it was ultimately a false positive discovery). So, Montagnier still stands high above Gallo in terms of real honor and integrity.
...And now, FOUR DECADES LATER, Montagnier has, yet again, the greater integrity to come forward and start admitting the error, and the truth -- LONG before Gallo ever will.
Which, of course, Gallo never will.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
Well, Institut Pasteur used to be a non-profit fundation thought to work for advancement of the science and the common well of the people... untill Gallo's theft and patenting of the stolen good :(
Thus it isn't anymore, but some of its previous "culture" remains partly among the researchers.
Zzozze 1 year ago
I'll have to take your word on that, because I wouldn't know.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
I have been raised up in this environment, in Europe.
Zzozze 1 year ago
I envy you.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
"I envy you."
...and I don't tell you the location! ;o)
Zzozze 1 year ago
*L*
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
@TheLogicJunkie "Montagnier tentatively "discovers" HIV, and then privately and unsuspectingly shares his results" Yes, it was non-written but universally accepted rule than the knowledge, and scientific breakthrough were at first "common good of the mankind" (reason why they had to be awarded).
Zzozze 1 year ago
Montagnier's "mistake" -- as if trusting someone not to steal your ideas and results according to the rules of peer review is a "mistake" -- was, tragically, in not knowing enough about what kind of nightmare psychopath Robert Gallo really is, and sharing his research findings with him, across the Atlantic, from France to America.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
It wasn't a "mistake" at this time: it was a routine to share sample with members of the scientists community all through the world (and so did Montagnier with several labs).
To my knowledge, it was the first time such a thing ever happend. Attempts of spying and/or plagiary on the publication of results were nothing new (and this was rather "for the glory"), but on the shared biologic materials, I believe this it was a premiere.
Zzozze 1 year ago
Yeah -- Gallo, being a white-collar psychopath, writes his own rules.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
You say "psychopath", I would say "ruthless thug".
b t w, I have a problem with the recreational drugs explanation: I don't think it happend in the past as heroin and cocaine were still chemicaly pure: overdose, suicide, or pretty long life among the prominent junkies at that time. I would suspect "contaminations" or "adjuvants" as it became a "mass market"..(and heroin ceased to be the expansive white powder it used to be).
Medicinal morphine doesn't give A.I.D.S., dentistry cocaine neither...
Zzozze 1 year ago
Actually, prolonged use of morphine substances will activate cancer cells, I've read.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
On long-term, I couldn't tell, most patients also have serious illnesses to become it on long-term (often for painful cancers, they others should be checked).
But there should have been a cancer epidemy in France among the french army vets in the very early 20th century, the over-widely spread morphine addiction in the military had lead to the regulation on opiates...with the fear: morphine shortage would equal no more reliable army ;o)
Zzozze 1 year ago
To TheLogicJunkie, hello,
I refrained posting a pretty critical and disbeliefing reaction about your statements on this vid: I first carefuly red all comments and your replies and I concluded that in the same way I believe myself to be a "CommonSenseJunky", your are a genuine "logicjunky". And I must aknowledge that you express yourself with a wider erudition, cognitive abilities and erudition than I could do myself...(part 1)
Zzozze 1 year ago
Well, I think you underestimate yourself.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
Well, I red your replies to "joemarklawson".
I wouldn't have been qualified to properly reply at that level of technicality.
I'm balance my relative cognitive-weakness with a sharp common sense sensitivit, and linked to a strong intution and empirism...
Anyway, the best theories are said to be the simplest and most elegant ones ;o)
Zzozze 1 year ago
Well, I can't stay I have full insider knowledge -- I've only studied what's available online -- but if you're willing to trudge through it, there's a great and incredibly thorough interview with Australian scientist Eleni Papadopoulos, where she explains the entire "HIV" screening process.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago
lol the global worming thing is so true. and idk about hiv i seen sum messed up pics of people with it lol. but i do see where you are coming from
cuteyboyboy21 1 year ago
Science has been overtaken by religionists who have turned science into a religion.
TheLogicJunkie 1 year ago