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  • The toughest girl I knew was very feminin. Femininity is not a weaker force it's a balance the yin and the yan. Feminists have made out it is a weaker force and that is why some like yourself have a self loathing and think 'acting' masculine is the right thing to do. If you want to drive fast cars what's stopping you? Just be yourself and if nobody likes it fuck them but they've got a right to be who they are. as well.

  • @loroanno

    Which feminists? Have you heard of Gloria Steinem? She was pretty feminine, and a hard-core feminist.

    I can't think of a feminist who condemned femininity.

  • I also believe that society labels so much in life (e.g. interests) as 'masculine and these become a stereotype of masculine. The (femme) female you mentioned sounds like she was caught up with these stereotypes, in turn believing she had to be masculine. It sounds like she was scared about not playing by the gender rules. However, I don't know whether she really is truly masculine from what I heard.

  • For me masculinity has many meanings. For me there are masculine traits, which I believe everyone possess, they can decide whether they want to call them masculine or not, and then there is a sense of masculinity that isnt to do with traits.

  • It's mostly the "sense of masculinity that isnt to do with traits" I am trying to refer to here but because society is so segregated in terms of gender and ideas about gendered behaviour it is very hard to convey that effectively. Thanks for your comments! :-)

  • My theory is that the best way to express equal amounts of ones masculinity and femininity is to achieve an androgynous appearance and presence within society. Then maybe people can't so easily apply their gender rules on us.

    I hope you achieve your balance with your gender issues, and achieve a fuller expression of your masculinity. I relate to your fear about people's reactions and you're not alone. I often think though that we can get to where we want to be even with the most tiny steps.

  • OK, I'm confused. Is this a girl - a boy - both? WTF. And some advice to whatever you are: lay off the crack pipe.

  • I'm fucking awesome and you cannot make me feel bad :-P

  • LOL. I was actually just joking. Well, I honestly wasn't sure of your gender only because of the nature of your profile. All I can say is that you're a very cute girl. You have beautiful eyes and a lovely smile.

  • From insults to flattery?! You are indeed a contrary creature :-)

  • Aren't we all contrary from time to time?  Anyhoo, you're very cute.

  • But you didn't know if I was male or female before, or doesn't that matter ;-P

    And yes...I am definately contrary myself, in many ways.

  • She is smoking! :(

  • Yeah she is smoking. 10,000000000 miles away from you and you still stick your dumb ass in her business. See why America sucks now? Land of the free as long as YOU do as I say! Right? Brookshunt you suck!

  • Thanks gtazcom, I'm getting pretty tired of saying that! :-)

  • Shiver me timbers....aaarrrrrhhhhhhhhh

  • OMG Jessamine, Your smoking :O .....lol....

    Im fine with the expression of masculinity thing but, dont cut off your hair....

    Its so beatiful and red... *sob*

    You could always wear more male clothes instead, [Like stubbies and a wifebeater :)]

  • But seriously, Everyone needs to be able to express themselves freely.

    There should be no limits on individuality...

    It's fine for everyone else, but its not fun when your the one who's attempting to fit into a role which doesn't feel right and constantly requires you to censor yourself just to fit the criteria.

    I've bitten my tongue so much that it should have fallen off by now...

  • Har har har me in stubbies and wifebeater ROFL

  • lol... Thats what i thought when I first had that image.. :)

    Alternatively, You could stop shaving your legs... OMG, its the 60's all over again, aaarrrhhh!!!!!!! Xo

  • I don't shave anyway...haven't shaved my legs in years and recently quit shaving my armpits :-)

  • eu naturelle, nice!

    You are definitely closer to nature than most of us... :)

  • I just realised one day that I wasn't shaving for me, and not for my partner cos he doesn't care. I was doing it to fit a false image of feminity and for the comfort of others who are also indoctrinated into believing that false image was the only one. So in a sense I realised that I had been shamed into changing my body, that society was encroaching on my bodily integrity, which is quite a violation from my perspective.

  • Well, if it works for you, why not?

    Societal expectations are one of my pet hates...

    X,

    Its the kind of conditioning that everyone is exposed to, yet few people actually notice they are being affected by it...

  • Yeah, its a real shame people aren't more conscious of the social control that goes on. It is very liberating to realise that you have the power to set your own standards for behaviour and dress etc and don't need to follow those set out for you :-)

  • Ahoy! Great Video.

  • Ahoy there matey :-)

  • Is it international talk like a pirate day already!? ;|

  • Yar, it be the day :-)

  • Thanks, i think i will, and i hope you find what your looking for.

  • You're a sweetheart, thank you :-)

  • Well thanks for explaining, i dont usually watch v-logs but this one was very interesting to me.

  • I'm sorry I couldn't explain better...it's just that I don't understand it 100% myself and also because gender permeates everything and is so often reduced to stereotypes it is hard to talk about. I'm glad you found it interesting, if you want to watch my other ones on this topic go to my channel, click 'all videos' and then in the search field type either Doubts (these were a response to someone else ) or Gender and you should find them :-)

  • Okay, thanks for humoring me, i don't know why but that video puzzled me a bit..

  • Hey there...I'm not humouring you :-( I was just trying to answer your questions as best I could. I hate text communication sometimes, it can be so limited :-(

  • I totally got what you were describing with your hair and I think that would look really cool on you.

  • I am just saying, do you think altering your physical appearance (i.e. haircut)is going to provide enough of an expressive outlet that you are looking for?

  • No, of course not, all it would do would be to bring how I look more in line with how I feel internally (e.g. androgynous). It's an expressive thing, people express lots of aspects of their personality through their appearence. Of course something else is needed then that, I'm not saying being masculine means having short hair either...my partner is male and has longer hair then I do and that doesn't make him feminine. This subject is hard to discuss in a clear and concise manner, I'm sorry if

  • the vagueness is confusing...I'm still confused myself. I guess what I really want to do is to bring the way I look and act more in line with who I am on the inside, just part of the whole self discovery and expression journey that everyone goes through in life except people with gender issues have that extra bit to deal with on top of it all. I really hope that makes more sense :-)

  • A haircut or a game of football may help you feel more masculine but if you want to understand the 'male' as a mentality you need to get into the psyche of the male. Understand what drives us and motivates us, as any meaningful understanding is attained. Or a nice 'emo A-line' might do the trick. :) Actually i have a sister who buzzed her head one day and she said it made her feel more feminine because of the attention it brought to the established assertion that she was indeed a female.

  • It's not that I want to feel more masculine, it's that I want to give the masculine aspect of myself already within me an avenue for expression. I personally wouldn't want to feel more masculine, it's weird enough to feel as masculine as I already do. I shaved my head when I was in highschool and I experienced the same thing as your sister described e.g. how much stress society puts on maintaining the divide between male and female in terms of physical appearence.

  • I'm not sure how thoroughly you read my comment but i agree that masculinity is not the most important aspect of gender related self expression. Communication (w/ others & self) is an expression of the soul in considered actions.

  • I read it carefully but I think we misunderstood each other :-( I happens...it is text afterall...

    I didn't think you were saying masculinity was better, just that I feel a bit off balence feeling so masculine but being in a female body and I wouldn't want to feel more masculine. I just feel like I need an outlet for what I already have. Does that make sense?

  • I understand what you're saying but think it's misleading to try to define what it means to be masculine or feminine. I think it is in the eye of the beholder. It's difficult to recall definitions that are not either clichés or stereotypes. It's tiresome to hear masculine defined as enjoying sports any number of stereotypical definitions that many men are not. I believe the best way to explore masculinity or femininity is to let it flow naturally; I think anything else becomes an affectation.

  • I completely agree, its just that in talking about these things it always sounds a bit stupid, over simplified etc :-(

  • Oh no, not stupid at all. I just worry when masculinity and femininity are reduced to something as general as sports. I believe true masculinity and femininity become nearly indistinguishable as the whole person becomes simply human. I can honestly say, unless this topic arises, I don't think of you as male or female; you are uniquely TheVeganicWitch.

  • I see you the same way, the only thing that makes you male to me really is your life experience being biologically male in this culture...that is the prime difference between men and women in my opinion. You know I don't actually think in such limited terms, I just have a REALLY hard time expressing myself on these issues without sounding like a simpleton :-( I noticed it in other people too and I thought 'wow, that sounds kinda silly' until I tried to do it and suffered the same fate LOL

  • this what I said to Jasmine before: Definately, I thought that too. It was really weird actually, she was sitting there saying she had masculine hands and a masculine voice and she was the cutest little thing ever...to me she appeared very, very femme. When she was talking about the cars and the sports I pointed out to her that it couldn't really be viewed as a masculine activity because many men hate these things and it doesn't make them any less masculine.

  • Thank you so much for not seeing me as gendered, it means a great deal to me to hear that!!! :-)

    I hope soon I can come across as less stereotypical when I discuss these issues. For me the things I think of as masculine in ME would be different perhaps from what other people think of their own traits. For instance, I cannot stand sports but if I did like sport there is NO WAY I would consider that a masculine trait.

  • I don't think she's trying to define masculinity as "sports" and such, a lot of people missed the point. I think she's just trying to find a way to give the masculine side of her a little bit of room in the physical realm of her being. That part of her wants self expression. When she talked about sports and what not those were the things her friend equated with being "masculine" and was feeling guilty for it. I don't think Jess meant to imply that those things were strictly masculine.

  • I don't think I missed her point; my point is that people seem to inevitably use a cliche' or stereotype to define masculine or feminine. It seems most evident to me when people attempt to display what they feel is some aspect of masculine or feminine, like as not, it comes out in the form of a stereotype or cliche. I believe bringing a self image in line with what you feel can & should result in something so unique that perceptions of masculine & feminine have absolutely nothing to do with it.

  • Like it or not there are certain things associated with one gender or another. And if someone feels the desire to express gender through those things then I don't believe you or anyone else has the right to tell them they are wrong or that they should somehow come up with "unique" ways of expressing themselves that is unisex. That's just idiotic. Part of being an individual is the ability to express yourself in your desired manner. It's right to try and stifle other people's way of expression.

  • I see, so if I disagree with a point of view and express my opinion it's idiotic and wrong. I don't recall telling her to do anything; I simply did what you and all the other commenters did and expressed an opinion. I may have even done it without calling anyone idiotic. I respect and like Jessamine immensely and would never presume to tell her anything but, unlike with you, we have had great exchanges where we didn't always agree but she was always gracious.

  • I didn't call YOU idiotic, you might want to read it again. I called trying to push people to conform to an ideology of restricting self expression idiotic. I agree that trying to force others to traditional gender roles is wrong, but so is trying to force them all to conform to some unisex "ideal". Instead of condemning others' chosen form of self expression maybe you should be encouraging them to express themselves in whatever way they feel represents them, regardless of if it's traditional.

  • That's a typo - I meant: "It's NOT right to try and stifle other people's way of expression." However you slice it she's not hurting you. Trying to push others to conform to your ideal is as wrong as trying to push people to conform to gender roles. Let people express themselves how they desire.

  • Hooray for smoking! EVERYONE should smoke!

    Sometimes I wonder if we all have some gender duality...

    This is just my opinion, so take it for what its worth (which isn't much) but something that crossed my mind as I watched this was:

    I don't know if trying something new that seems masculine to you will do it... If it were me, I'd probably start out looking at things in my own life that fill that need for me, you know? What are you currently interested in that gives you a little boy-ness?

  • I just wanted to add a quick note to qualify what I said above...

    What I mean by that, is, rather than saying "Oh here is something I've never ever done before that seems masculine, let me try it" I would start by looking at what gave me that masculine-charge already a little bit, and try to expand on it.

    I don't know if that makes better sense now or not. :)

  • LOL Melanie...you are so funny! I seriously hate this anti smoking fascism though, it verges on fanaticism at times. Also NOBODY credits me with the intelligence or decency to seek out non animal tested brands, which is rather insulting :-(

    You know...I have no idea. I definately lack anything physical in my life though. I want to buy a drum kit, I've always loved drumming but never had the space for a kit. Percussion is pretty physical and primeval.

    I agree, we all have it to some extent :-)

  • When I see kids on the street, I give 'em cigarettes & say "smoke-up so you can be a grown-up!" Yes I do!

  • Sometimes when I feel generous I hand out "heroin starter packs" LOL

  • LOL Do they have those in Australia?

    What about the "My First Meth Lab" kit?

  • Nah, they can buy their own! LOL

  • Cut your hair as you described. If anyone doesn't like it, tell them "it'll grow back". That's the beauty of hair. It's returns an infinitesimal amount of times

  • I know how to cheer you up!!!! *rubs her butt on you*

    Great video sweetie. :) Love you!

  • Goodness gracious, Winterwinwin

  • Don't be jealous now!

  • About the start: *cough cough* LOOOOL And of COURSE I'm just kidding! ;D

    About your "waiting for series 2"... maybe consider starting some martial arts training? I would recommend jujutsu (also spelled jiu-jitsu) or Krav Maga! Or at least any other kind of sport that is related to "powering" in some way or another.

  • He he he :-)

    I wanted to do that a while ago but my partner told me martial arts training is really rough and I should be willing to be kicked in the face. I don't want to be kicked in the face...I dunno, I'm just not into it LOL

    Maybe he was telling fibs!!! :D

  • Oh, I can tell a story about being kicked in the face, involving emergency surgery etc... but that was TaeKwonDo... and an exeptionally lame dojo. ;)

    Jujutsu for instance should be safer than volleyball! :)

  • Cool! (jujutsu, not the emergency surgery LOL)

  • We all have masculine sides and feminine sides more or less and we need to find away to express all those sides of us despite sex or gender identity. People like to put themselves into traps in order to fit the ordinary on what society feels is correct. In the long term it is only traps and one need to break free those and just do and be who they are. For an example the girl you talked about who felt shame because she liked car racing and sports is an example of that trap. Just break free

  • Definately, I thought that too. It was really weird actually, she was sitting there saying she had masculine hands and a masculine voice and she was the cutest little thing ever...to me she appeared very, very femme. When she was talking about the cars and the sports I pointed out to her that it couldn't really be viewed as a masculine activity because many men hate these things and it doesn't make them any less masculine.

  • True Jess:)Everyone is different and everyone is beautiful in there differences if you ask me. No woman is like another woman and no man is alike another man.And that is good cause the more diversity the higher the ability is for humanity to survive. If we all where the same we would have never been able come so far as we have today.But the same time soceity hates differences and individuality and tries to create limits for how different a person can be and put them in the box normal and unormal

  • I have one comment in response to that: Fuck normality!!! LOL XD

  • Hehe yeah I remember when you said and it was after you said that I subscribe to you because I think ''Fuck normality up the ass just fuck it in it's stupid ass'' Is the greatest quote ever made and I say it to myself time to time.

    All love and respect from yours truly the un-normal ultimate chaos Jasmine :P

  • HAHAHAHAHA. Good for you. (i'm at the very beginning).

  • ok, the laughter was about your smoking, not about your gender issues. I wouldn't poke fun at something so candid.

  • I know, thanks for that :-)

    I have been smoking for 16 years now and have a very addictive personality anyway. I spent years and years of my life gobbling any drug that came my way. The fact that I now only consume nicotine and caffiene and the occassional alcoholic drink (like a few times a year) is something I am proud of to a degree. To have people criticise me on something I am doing in my own home, and also just assume that my cigarettes are animal tested just grates me.

  • I'm impressed. Kicking any physical habit is hard. I just think it's rude to point out what other people are doing wrong. You're smoking, it's a choice you're making in your own life. I don't smoke, though. I just agree.

  • Well yeah, smoking sucks ass. I haven't quit yet because I am afraid to do so, afraid that I will have a crisis of some kind during the quitting process that results in repercussions of some kind.

  • Mm, yes. I'm actually quitting something right now, that I'm not going to name. I am really surprised by the repercussions. Physical withdrawals from physical addictions are real and powerful. Vaguely demented. Ah well, enough about this Monday morning.

  • I'm worried I will be more then just "vaguely demented" LOL more like rabidly psychotic XD

  • Did you know that tobacco isn't vegan? At least most brands aren't. So really, you're not just affecting yourself, you're affecting animals in some way aswell. In other words; you're not a true vegan if you smoke.

  • My tobacco isn't tested on animals, I checked. I would never purchase cigarettes that were tested on animals. Tobacco is a leaf, just like spinich or something else. Smoking can be vegan if you know what you are doing and do your research. It still sucks that I am addicted to it though.

    However, I explicitly asked people not to harrass me about smoking and you go ahead and leave this comment anyway. Why dude? :-(

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